1 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Hey there, fan Doritos, Welcome back to a brand new 2 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: episode of How Rude Tanertos. For today's minisode, we wanted 3 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: to give you a behind the scenes look at us, 4 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: more specifically us through the memoirs that we have created. 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Jody recently released the audio version of her memoir Unsweetened, 6 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: read in her very own voice, and it's so raw 7 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: and so beautiful. 8 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: Joe's I'm just I love that you. 9 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: So today we're going to take some personal trips down 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: memory lane, and we hope that you'll join us. All ah, yes, boys, 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: this is exciting. 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: I know that your book's been out for a while. Yeah, 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: it originally came out in two thousand and nine. Okay, 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 2: so I know there was like people were like, oh 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: my gosh, this happened and that tip. I was like, yeah, 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: that happened like sixteen years ago. It's it's been a minute, 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: so uh yeah. The audiobook has a like a little 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: preview prologue sort of thing that I've added about you know, 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: how long it's been. Okay, but yeah, so don't don't 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: don't listen to it and be like, oh my god, 21 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: she's gone off the rails. No, everything's fine. 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Everything was a while, everything's fine, she's a different Okay, 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: So that's fantastic. I love listening to memoirs by the 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: authors themselves. I think it's so much personal, it's so real, 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: and especially because people grew up with us, I think 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: that it's just it's great to be able to listen 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: to it. 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: And you're a I loved doing it, Actually, I was. 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: I was really excited. I was nervous and excited though, 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: because because it had been so long, and I was like, 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: you know what, what, I haven't read it since you 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: know what I mean, since we're like editing it. Yeah, yeah, 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: did it bring us some stuff? I haven't read this 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: in a very long time. And I was like, what 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: did I. 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: Put in that? 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: Right? I was like, whoa, oh no, what did I write? 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: What? 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: And And it was so funny because as I read 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: the book and as I went through it, it just 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: really was like this sort of testament or example, not testament, 43 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: but an example to me and proof like of how 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: much I've grown and how different I am and my 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, my life today because like some of the 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: things I'm reading and I'm like, you idiot, Oh god, 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: you're an idiot. But I'm like, that's but I'm also like, 48 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: that's leaving out a glaring part of the story that 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: you had something to do. You know, there's things in there. 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I would I would tell that story 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: differently now because I think I've mined it more and 52 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: looked at it more with some more accountability. You know, 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: it was hard. I think the book I wrote not 54 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: too long after like getting sober and Zoe was born. 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean I was writing it, I relapsed, like you know, 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: it was Uh, it was kind of right in the 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: thing of it. 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: So you've had more distance now. 59 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had more distance. I had sobriety, I've had 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: more life experience. But it was it was interesting to 61 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: go back and you know, visit that person. 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: Did you did you reread it before you recorded the 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: audio or did were you reading it kind of live 64 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: for the first time. 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: I was reading it live. I was reading it live. 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because I love to read and I am 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: all very confident in my reading abilities like that. I'm 69 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to do that because I also 70 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: was like, I I knew the basics of what it 71 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: was in there, some of the stories about you know, 72 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: getting sober and my using and my adoption and you 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: know and the Full House years. You know, I I 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: knew that I had put a lot of that stuff 75 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: in there, but I just wasn't sure what, you know, 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: what I went into and what what details I went into. 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, okay. So it was kind 78 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: of fun to read it live because it was like 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: it felt like a discovery as I was going along. 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: That's really cool. 81 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: That's really felt like I was reading kind of like 82 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: you know, with the Full House rewatch. Rereading it at 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: a much later date, you just have such a different 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: perspective and appreciation and also like, you know, giving yourself 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: a lot of grace for the messiness of things. 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: And some pride with who you've become since you've. 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: Become a huge amount of that because I like I 88 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: was looking back and you know, it makes you think 89 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: also when you're like, man, yeah, oh that that story 90 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: makes me think of this or that and just the yeah, 91 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: the different person that I've become. I'm just I'm really 92 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: proud of. So it was Yeah, it was great. I mean, 93 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: your book came out in like the Last Blessings, yeah, 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and I recorded the audio the same year, 95 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: so that it all was released at the same time. 96 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I wasn't reading it live like I 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: had just kind of written a d just gone thresh. 98 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: But I do remember getting emotional at the emotional parts. 99 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: And it's such so weird because you're like in this 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: booth alone, but there's like a man next door listening 101 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: to every word. You're trying not to let your stomach 102 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: gurgle because he can hear every single the way you. 103 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: And then my stomach's never gurgled more than it does 104 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: in a sound studio right now, totally not doing it 105 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: if I were to walk into a booth instant gurgle. 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: It's just so self conscious. But yeah, I know a 107 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of emotions were brought up for 108 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: me reading it out loud in a different way than 109 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: writing it. 110 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: I guess saying saying it out loud somehow, Uh, I 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: don't know, makes it more. 112 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe real and I'll make it. It's like not 113 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: a confession, but yeah, you're saying it out loud. It's 114 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: just sort of cements. 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: It's the reason why in twelve step programs you read 116 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: your the fifth step is you read your fourth step 117 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: out loud, which is your you know, so sort of 118 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: picking a part of all of the things that you 119 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: have resentments over and your part in it and when 120 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: it affected and blah blah blah. But a big piece 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: of it is is reading it out loud, because and 122 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: writing it like you know, a hand to like pen 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: to paper, right, like really it just it It tends 124 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: to be like a deeper connection. But yeah, reading reading 125 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: stuff out loud and reading things that maybe you're not 126 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: super proud of or things that are emotional or hard. 127 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: I find that. Then you say it and then you 128 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: kind of go like, woo oh, the world didn' valli 129 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: barb oh. Yeah, I think I'm okay. You know, did 130 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: you have that feeling of like there were things that 131 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: like you knew you had written about, but that the 132 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: idea of them being out in the world was sort 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: of intimidating. 134 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you the same thing, 135 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: because I mean, I definitely when I was when I 136 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: was writing it, I thought how much do I share? 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: Like? 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: And I shared a lot in mind too as you did. 139 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 140 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: And there's some stuff I held back just because I mean, 141 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: it's not just my story, like I talked about my divorce, 142 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: and so I'm like, this involves. 143 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: There's other people's stories in it and kids, and. 144 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to stay true to me and my story 145 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: and my experience. But I'm like, I don't want to 146 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: throw people under the bus or cause weirdness or whatever. 147 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: So that was the balance for me was just how 148 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: much to share and not step over the line, I guess. 149 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: But no, it was very freeing because I'm like, I'm 150 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: not ashamed of anything, Like I'm yeah, I didn't hesitate 151 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: to publish it because I'm like, I'm not ashamed of 152 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: my anxiety or my depression or my divorce. Like it's 153 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: a part of who I am. And if you want 154 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: to get to know me by reading this book, this 155 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: is who I am. 156 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's this is me. You know. 157 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: I was actually not proud of it, but not ashamed 158 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: of it, I guess if that makes sense. 159 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: You know. 160 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Jode's one of my favorite parts of the book is 161 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: when you tell the story about Slim the frog in Hawaii, 162 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Slim and his Tango. 163 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: It's so great and. 164 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: So we happen to have a clip of that here, 165 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: and so let's play it for our listeners so that 166 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: they can hear your voice tell the story. 167 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: Oh yes. There were some perks to the success though. 168 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: With the show doing so well, we had newfound funding 169 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: that allowed us to do some great episodes. We took 170 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: off to shoot in Hawaii, which turned into a bit 171 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: of a disaster. The storyline was that the Tanner family 172 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: gets lost on a boat tour. Knowing we would be 173 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 2: spending a good amount of time at sea, producers, afraid 174 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: we would get seasick, gave us dramamine. It knocked us 175 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: all out. We didn't have any lines, but in the scene, 176 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: I'm asleep sitting up in the corner of the boat, 177 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: and the working Olsen twin is asleep standing up leaning 178 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: against the table. Later during the week, Dave Coulier broke 179 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: his toe walking into the edge of his bed, and 180 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: Jeff Franklin, the show's executive producer, snapped his achilles tendon 181 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: playing tennis. There were probably all around, but we had 182 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 2: fun in Hawaii too. We had a big luau and 183 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: swam with the dolphins. Candas was super scared of the dolphins. 184 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: Every time she had to even touch one, she would 185 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: squeal like well a dolphin. By this trip, Andrea Barbera 186 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: and I were very close. I was tutored on set 187 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: Thursday and Friday, and we had the same studio teacher 188 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: unlike Candace, so we were together a lot. She helped 189 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: me with my homework and always made me laugh. Plus 190 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: she put in the effort to relate to me by 191 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: talking about my feelings and asking about my real interests. 192 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: One day in Hawaii, Andrey and I went to the 193 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: botanical gardens. On the way out we saw a dead frog, 194 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: completely flattened all the ground. It was in this weird 195 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: position and looked like it had died doing the tango. 196 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: Andrey and I named it Slim and would pose in 197 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: that same position with one arm out to the side, 198 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: the other on the body. It was a running joke. 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: Throughout the trip. Ri ipa Slim. We hardly knew ye. 200 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: Did you hesitate to write some of the about some 201 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: of the darker times in your life? 202 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: Or was that so? I wrote it along with my 203 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: friend John Warwick. And John and I had actually known 204 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: each other before I got sober. We had been like 205 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: mutual sort of friends. He was a friend of a 206 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: friend that we you know, would wind uIP hanging out 207 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: with our group and whatever. So he had seen me 208 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: like messy. Yeah, but I also knew him and knew 209 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: and felt comfortable with him, like really wonderful guy. And 210 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: so when we were sitting down and doing like the 211 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: interviews and the kind of shaping of it, how we, 212 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, what we wanted it to be. I think 213 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: I was really I was just really comfortable. I knew him, 214 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: and so yeah, I definitely I think that helped me 215 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: feel a little more relaxed and open up. But then 216 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: when I thought, oh now I have to tell everyone, 217 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: I my mom was the person that made me the 218 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: most nervous, I think, really really, and I and I didn't. 219 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: I didn't give her a copy to read. I didn't 220 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: I I they got shipped to her house and she 221 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: read it, and uh she was like I read the book, 222 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: and I was like, ah, how does she say? Was 223 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: what she said at the time. I think she, you know, 224 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: she was she was proud of me for writing it, 225 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: just for being so honest and all of this, you know. 226 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: But I talked about I talk a lot about my 227 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: adoption when I was you know, about a year old, 228 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: and some of the struggles and you know, stuff that 229 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: came with that. And I think sometimes you know, that's 230 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: been a touchy subject with with my mom and dad 231 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: and my parents, you know, And but writing that book 232 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: was the first time I'd ever talked about that public 233 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: you know, had always been something that you know, was 234 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: kind of didn't that we din't talk about. 235 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't know that about you, 236 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: that you're adopted, because yeah, you never you never really 237 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: talk about it. 238 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wasn't you know, when I was on 239 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: the show, it was very much like, let's don't tell 240 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: people because you know, it's a rather complicated history. If 241 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: you read the memoir you shall find out. But this 242 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: was the first time that I felt like I had 243 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: kind of taken control of my voice and been like, no, 244 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about what I want to talk about 245 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: and what I feel comfortable talking about, and like, yeah, 246 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: there was definitely a power in it. But the night before, 247 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: the night before the book launched, it was in New 248 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: York getting ready to do the Today Show. I think 249 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: Matt Lower interviewed me for the book and how times 250 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: have changed and anyway, he interviewed me for the book, 251 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: and I remember that was that was the moment, like 252 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: the morning of where I I went, oh, no, people 253 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: are going to see that. I don't know what it was, 254 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: but it like kind of it had been like, oh, 255 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: this book sort of this you know, intangible thing in 256 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: the air that I was working on, and it was 257 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: a creative thing, and it was you know, sort of 258 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: insular in what we were doing with it. And and 259 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, I yeah, now I have 260 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: to go talk about it. But sober talking about it 261 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: was so freeing. It was I look at that period 262 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: of my life of like kind of coming clean about 263 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: a lot of things and sharing my story about being 264 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: adopted and really using my own voice, like that was 265 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: such a pivotal time in my life because it was 266 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years of that and of 267 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: me realizing that I didn't have to carry what other 268 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: people thought of me. Oh that's interesting. This is in 269 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: the days like kind of right around the name, since 270 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: start of social media, so it wasn't as terrible then. 271 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: But even then, you know, there's just a lot of 272 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 2: you have to be comfortable with the fact you're like, Okay, 273 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: some of my secrets are out there and people know them. 274 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: And then I think I spent like so much time 275 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: worrying about what other people think that once I finally 276 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: said all that stuff, it was like, oh wait, it 277 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: was like a huge weight lifted off. 278 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: You know. 279 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: Did you find that with yours too, That like kind 280 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: of talking about some of the stuff that you'd been 281 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: through just like evaporated the. 282 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it helped me. It was very cathartic. I it 283 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: helped me sort of put some puzzle pieces together in 284 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: a way that therapy didn't. It's and I love therapy, 285 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: like you know, oh yeah, yeah, couldn't get through without 286 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: my therapist. But no, it just it was very cathartic. 287 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: And my dad. My dad was the same way where 288 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: he was like, do you really want to tell everybody 289 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: all this? 290 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: Like do you want to say this publicly? 291 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: Like, yes, yes I do. 292 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: I think that's also a generational thing. I think it 293 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: was you know, our parents were our boomers, and it 294 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: was very much still the era of the you know, 295 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: the everything looks pretty on the outside, We're all good, 296 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: everyone's doing great, you know, familiar, everyone's falling apart, right, 297 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: don't don't share air your dirty laundry, you know, but 298 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: there's there's a I was like, I'm going to hang 299 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: it out in the front yard. Let's let everybody see it. Yeah, 300 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: might as well. Yeah, I know. 301 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: It's it's very empowering to say the things that you've 302 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: been keeping inside for so long and to not care 303 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: if people help people receive it, Like you hope that 304 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: you touch someone or somebody can relate to your story. 305 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: But if they don't, if they're if they're the haters 306 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: out there, who cares? They don't understand what I'll do. 307 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: You the haters don't read the book, don't they on 308 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: the sidelines? 309 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: You know? 310 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: Uh? People who I mean, I've I'm so glad that 311 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: I didn't let being afraid to tell my stories stop 312 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: me because the response that I've gotten from so many 313 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: incredible fans over the years of connection and you know, 314 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: either sharing their sobriety stories with me, sharing you know, 315 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: loss with me, sharing you know that they have like 316 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: fifteen days or whatever it might be. That book reached 317 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: out and created such a sense of belonging and connection 318 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: with a lot of fans. And I think, you know, 319 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: watching someone who, like we said, people grew up with, 320 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: you know, there is that sense it's like your cousin 321 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: almost Yeah, you know, you're like I know I know them, 322 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: yeah right right right, And like oh, no, everything's going 323 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: wrong for you. And then like you kind of find 324 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: it and you share it. It's like they're they people 325 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: are like, I feel this too, I'm going through this too, 326 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: this happened to me too, and you just go, oh, 327 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: it's all of us. Y's all of us, guys, it's 328 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: all it's all of us. Don't be afraid, you know, 329 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: talk about it. It's okay. And that was That's been 330 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: such a beautiful byproduct of of the book is really 331 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: connecting with people in a much deeper way. And I'm 332 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: I'm just so glad that whatever it is that I 333 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: said or the you know, things that I shared have 334 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: helped somebody to feel a little bit less alone. It did. 335 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: There's I mean, you know, there's somebody close to me 336 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: in my life who has struggled with sobriety and alcoholism, 337 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: and so I gave my copy of your book to 338 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: him and he's read it a couple of times and 339 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: will text me about it. And so, yeah, you've helped people, 340 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: people that you know that you didn't even know you 341 00:17:49,480 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: helped them. So it was great. I really got a 342 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: lot out of it as well, because I learned things 343 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: about you that I didn't know because you kind of went. 344 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: Dark to all of us. You know, I went real dark. 345 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: He went real quiet and real dark, so I didn't know. 346 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: I knew you were struggling and weren't ready for help, 347 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: but I didn't know what was exactly going on. So yeah, 348 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: it was a way for me to get to know 349 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: you a little bit better. And I'm just so proud 350 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: of you. Like, I'm so proud of you and your 351 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: talent and your perspective and what you've been through and 352 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: how you use that to be strong now and to 353 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: help other people. Yeah, I just love you. 354 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: Joke, thank you. I love you too, friend. And I 355 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: was really proud of your book too. I know it 356 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 2: was you know, you aren't always one that wants to 357 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: like step out and have the limelight and share and 358 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: talk about yourself. Yeah, and you did. And I remember 359 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: your book launch party and Jeff, that was so fun, 360 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: so lovely and just so proud of you and like 361 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: seeing you really get comfy in your ab yeah, skin, 362 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 2: you know, over the over the last few years in 363 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: that book was like such a big part of it. 364 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: So it was a big milestone, big big milestone, very 365 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: very personal, and yeah, yeah we did we did good. 366 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: Are you gonna just what we did things? We did things, 367 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: we did things. 368 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: And I can't wait to read the next one whenever 369 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: you write in another thirty five. 370 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: Years, right and when yeah, when half one's died off, 371 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: then I'll tell the real story, but just part two, 372 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, but part two, I'm I'm working on some 373 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: stuff right now, different ways to tell that, either in 374 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: writing or in visual form and stuff. So yeah, it's uh, 375 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: I'm so honored that I get to share my story 376 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: with other little humans that are out there just trying 377 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: to do their best human ing. 378 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: Yep. 379 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: And it's hard and we all go through it so hard, 380 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and you're not a alone. That's the best thing about 381 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: books is they tell you that you're. 382 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: Not alone alone yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and that you 383 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: will get through it and that we love you. And 384 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: I just want to thank you guys for for letting us, 385 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: you know, yammer on about our books and uh and 386 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: and accomplishments. And if you guys want to go check 387 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: out the audiobook that I did. Uh. It is Unsweetened 388 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: by me Jody Sweeten and uh and co written by 389 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: John Worick as well. But yeah, go check it out. 390 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: It's it's the old version of me. So, like I said, 391 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: don't panic, this is for This is like two thousand 392 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: and nine and before. There's only one kid in the book. 393 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: Oh Zoe. That's right. You hadn't even had. I hadn't 394 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: even had. I wrote a little letter to Zoe in 395 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: the back of the book, but I had not had 396 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: be yet. So she's like, where's my dedication letters? So yeah, yeah, 397 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: I got to write another one. I love that, I 398 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: love it. 399 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I love you ritos for lett us talk about ourselves 400 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: for another episode. 401 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: We love you guys. Bye.