WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Brandy Dyson

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<v Speaker 2>On November fifth, two thousand and five, a jogger was

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<v Speaker 2>out running beside a lake in Lake Charles, Louisiana, behind

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<v Speaker 2>the Civic Center, when they saw something floating in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>When the jogger took a closer look, they realized it

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<v Speaker 2>was the body of a woman. Police identified the victim

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<v Speaker 2>as thirty two year old Brandy Renee Dyson, a mother

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<v Speaker 2>of three who had recently been made homeless after Hurricanes

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<v Speaker 2>Katrina and Rita. Those hurricanes devastated the state of Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been almost twenty years. There's been one arrest and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of controversy, but Brandy's case is still unsolved.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot we don't know about Brandy's murder, but

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<v Speaker 2>we do know that it was violent. Her father, Adley

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<v Speaker 2>Dyson told a local news station, quote, we had to

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<v Speaker 2>bury her in a turtle necktwater because she was strangled

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<v Speaker 2>and she was thrown in the lake end quote.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the past five years of making my true crime podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Healing Gone, I've learned that there is no such thing

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<v Speaker 2>as a small town where murder never happens. I've received

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of messages from people all around the country asking

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<v Speaker 2>and their communities. If you have a case you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>six seven eight seven four four six one four or five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's six seven eight seven four four six one four five.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Helen Gone Murder Line. A lot of time

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<v Speaker 2>periods in Brandy Dyson's life are still unaccounted for. We

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<v Speaker 2>and even the people closest to her didn't always know

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on. What we do know were piecing

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<v Speaker 2>together through her sister Miranda and her daughter Holly. Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>Dyson was born on November one, nineteen seventy three. Growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>her family was mostly based in Louisiana, and both her

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<v Speaker 2>daughter Holly and her sister Miranda told us that Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>had a tough life. She struggled with mental health issues

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<v Speaker 2>and addiction. Brandy had three children, a son who she

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<v Speaker 2>had when she was around seventeen years old and later

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<v Speaker 2>gave up for adoption, a daughter, Holly, and a second

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<v Speaker 2>son who she gave birth to a few months before

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<v Speaker 2>she died. Brandy was out of contact with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of her family for several years before she was killed,

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<v Speaker 2>and finding information on where she lived during that time

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<v Speaker 2>period is challenging. American Press did a story on the case,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a video on YouTube with comments under it.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the commenters said that they knew Brandy from

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<v Speaker 2>when Brandy was in Texas for a job corp job

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of sixteen. Later from her family, we

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<v Speaker 2>know that Brandy lived in New York City for several years.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't like small town life.

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<v Speaker 5>We came from a small town.

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<v Speaker 6>She didn't like that lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, like it was too slow for her. She

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<v Speaker 5>went to New York City. She stayed there for ten years.

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<v Speaker 6>She liked that.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked to Miranda. She talked about Brandy's trouble times

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<v Speaker 2>when she was a teenager. After living in different places

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<v Speaker 2>on and off, at some point, her family thinks about

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<v Speaker 2>a year before her death, Brandy came back to kinder. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter, Holly, who was just ten years old when

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<v Speaker 2>her mom was brutally murdered, has been reaching out to

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<v Speaker 2>true crime podcasters, media, and anyone else who she thinks

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<v Speaker 2>may help spread the word and hopefully get answers and justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Holly was raised by her aunt and uncle. She said

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<v Speaker 2>that while it was hard to grow up without her mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy made what she believes was the most loving and

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<v Speaker 2>unselfish decision that she could have in those circumstances to

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<v Speaker 2>give her children up so that they could be raised

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<v Speaker 2>in more stable homes.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, she had a baby very very young and

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<v Speaker 6>gave them up for adoption. I know she had some

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<v Speaker 6>issues within her own family. Two three times she had

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<v Speaker 6>to make that impossible decision to let somebody else take

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<v Speaker 6>care for baby and when I drop my son off

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<v Speaker 6>at daycare, I feel mom guilt and I can only

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<v Speaker 6>imagine what she went through with that. But she did

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<v Speaker 6>the right thing and I will always admire her for that.

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<v Speaker 6>She had her issues. She had schizo effective disorder, which

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<v Speaker 6>at the time she had a bipolar in schizophrenia, but

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<v Speaker 6>now what we call it is gizo effective disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Miranda and Holly believed that Brandy, due to circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>might have turned to sex work a few times in

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<v Speaker 2>her life. Now, I want to be clear, I do

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<v Speaker 2>not judge her for her lifestyle, but I do believe

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to mention here because if that is the case,

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<v Speaker 2>there could be a larger pool of suspects to consider.

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<v Speaker 2>From what we understand, it appears that Brandy was not

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<v Speaker 2>taking medication for her schizo effective disorder, but at times

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<v Speaker 2>she did self medicate with alcohol.

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<v Speaker 6>She kind of just never felt at peace in this world,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think her demons kind of reared its head

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<v Speaker 6>through drinking. You know. I remember her writing these for

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of and I didn't know this at the time.

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<v Speaker 6>My nana has told me this when I had gotten older,

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<v Speaker 6>but she wrote me from rehabs that she was in

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<v Speaker 6>or like Jill's, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Miranda said that her and Brandy's parents agreed with Brandy's

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<v Speaker 2>decision to give up her son at age seventeen because

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<v Speaker 2>even then Brandy was struggling with substance abuse.

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<v Speaker 5>Even then, Brandy had some mantal illness.

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<v Speaker 3>She drank young, so like.

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<v Speaker 7>Sixteen seventeen, and that's when she would have her her

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<v Speaker 7>manic failed.

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<v Speaker 6>When she would drink.

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<v Speaker 7>As long as she was sober, they needn't have any.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, she was good.

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<v Speaker 2>There is still a lot of very basic information that

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<v Speaker 2>Holly doesn't know about her mother's life. There are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of blank spaces and blank years.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if she was working. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>really what she did for work.

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<v Speaker 8>It's not like she had like a trade or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I think she's pretty broke most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Holly said that when Brandy came back to kinder Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 2>she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>She was living with her uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>She gave birth to her baby son in July two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, and then she moved into her own apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>and for a while, Brandy appeared to be on a

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<v Speaker 2>more stable path.

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<v Speaker 8>I remember talking to her after she had my little brother.

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<v Speaker 6>And we were both so excited for him to come

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<v Speaker 6>into this world because I always wanted a baby brother.

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<v Speaker 8>And she thought that, you know, maybe that would help

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<v Speaker 8>her get her stuff together. But after she got displaced

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<v Speaker 8>from the hurricane, after she she took on those people

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<v Speaker 8>that were displaced by the hurricane, I think that kind

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<v Speaker 8>of knocked her back down a little bit, and I

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<v Speaker 8>think she started drinking again.

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<v Speaker 2>What Holly's talking about is that when Hurricane Katrina hit

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and five, a lot of people evacuated

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<v Speaker 2>to Kinder, Louisiana. Brandy took in refugees in her apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>but that decision resulted in her being evicted, so she

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<v Speaker 2>left her newborn son with her uncle. I'm not actually

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<v Speaker 2>sure if she left her son with her uncle before

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<v Speaker 2>or after she was evicted, but in any case, her

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<v Speaker 2>son was not with her when she left and moved

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<v Speaker 2>in to the Late Charles Civic Center, about forty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>away from Kinder, where many people in Louisiana were sheltering

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<v Speaker 2>after having to evacuate their homes from the storm.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to back up a minute here.

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<v Speaker 2>And go over some of the chaos that was happening

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<v Speaker 2>in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina made landfall in August twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five. To help give some context for

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy's final days, this storm was absolutely devastating for the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Louisiana. After Katrina hit New Orleans, thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>evacuees built the New Orleans Supernome. They were trapped inside

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<v Speaker 2>there for days with no power and running out of supplies,

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<v Speaker 2>and then FEMA left the area for their own safety.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing footage of this on television and it

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<v Speaker 2>was absolutely horrifying. There was a breakdown in law and order.

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<v Speaker 2>There were no working bathrooms, there were feces on walls,

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<v Speaker 2>fights breaking out over food and water, and multiple reports

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<v Speaker 2>of rape and sexual assault. Some of the more horrific rumors,

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<v Speaker 2>like bodies of children piling up in the basement, were

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<v Speaker 2>later disputed by law enforcement. A report on NPR pointed

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<v Speaker 2>out that while some of them were outrageous claims may

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<v Speaker 2>have been proven false, others, like sexual assaults, were almost

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<v Speaker 2>certainly underreported. According to the state Department of Health and Hospitals,

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<v Speaker 2>there were ten deaths in the Superdome, including two suspected murders,

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<v Speaker 2>and then, while the state was still reeling from the

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<v Speaker 2>horrific impacts both environmental and social, of Katrina, Hurricane Rita

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<v Speaker 2>hit just a few weeks later. Hurricane Rita made landfall

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<v Speaker 2>on September twenty fourth, two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 3>In Cameron Parish.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Category three storm with storm surges of

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<v Speaker 2>up to eighteen feet and sixteen inches of rain. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though it didn't get as much media attention at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>the devastating flooding caused by Rita literally white towns off

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<v Speaker 2>the map. Parishes in southwest Louisiana were overwhelmed, Levies and

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<v Speaker 2>New Orleans finally broke. There was a rise in crime

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<v Speaker 2>and a loss of police manpower. Rita, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>has been called the forgotten storm because most people remember

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<v Speaker 2>Katrina and the images of people on top of their

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<v Speaker 2>cars begging for someone from the government to come help,

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<v Speaker 2>or the images of people at the Superdome.

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<v Speaker 3>In New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 2>The storm surge flooded downtown Lake Charles and damaged the

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<v Speaker 2>Civic Center, where the evacuees were seeking shelter and where

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy was living after being evicted from her apartment, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was here at the Civic Center where Brandy's life,

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<v Speaker 2>which had been on the road stability, started to spiral

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<v Speaker 2>out of control. After she was evicted from her apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy moved into the Lake Charles Civic Center, where a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of evacuees from the hurricanes were staying, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was around this time that Brandy started drinking again.

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<v Speaker 5>She's staying at the Civic Center, she gets picked up

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<v Speaker 5>or disturbing the peace, so they kick her out of

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<v Speaker 5>the civic center, so she makes a makeshift shelter outside

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<v Speaker 5>of the city center.

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<v Speaker 2>So drinking broke the civic center's rules. Brandy was kicked

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<v Speaker 2>out of the civic Center, but she stayed close to

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<v Speaker 2>the building. According to reports, she set up camp in

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<v Speaker 2>the area of the pier, which was just a few

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<v Speaker 2>feet away from the Civic Center. Polly said she was

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<v Speaker 2>unsure who her mom's friends were at the time of

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<v Speaker 2>the storm, or even if Brandy had a cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was someone hanging out with Brandy at her

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<v Speaker 2>shelter on November fourth. Police have said that this was

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<v Speaker 2>a man named Jeremiah Salazar, and according to Holly, they

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<v Speaker 2>had been hanging out prior to that. Miranda said detectives

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<v Speaker 2>told her how they figured out that JEREMIAHS and Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>had been hanging out.

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<v Speaker 7>The only things that I know about him is what

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<v Speaker 7>the detective told me, Like, we didn't know him.

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<v Speaker 9>We were all this place, we were all homeless.

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<v Speaker 4>I was living in Alabama when she died, So this

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<v Speaker 4>is how they got to kid him. So when Brandy

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<v Speaker 4>was found, her fingerprints was in the system because she

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<v Speaker 4>had been arrested a few days before, so they were

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<v Speaker 4>able to identify her really fast because of it. But

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<v Speaker 4>when they ran her name or they might have found.

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<v Speaker 9>This ticket because she was living off that pier m HM.

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<v Speaker 7>Instead there was another ticket tied to that ticket for

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<v Speaker 7>her in sala'sorber going to Tacoma, Washington together. Well, her

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<v Speaker 7>body comes up, so they think that he's going to

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<v Speaker 7>change his course, but they have police waiting to see

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<v Speaker 7>if he's going to or not.

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<v Speaker 2>After Brandy was murdered, Apparently, JEREMIAHS did follow through on

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<v Speaker 2>his plans to go to Tacoma, but detectives were able

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest him and extradied him back to Louisiana. He

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<v Speaker 2>denied having anything to do with Brandy's murder and what

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<v Speaker 2>happened the night of November fourth, leading into the early

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<v Speaker 2>morning hours of November fifth, is still a mystery. Miranda

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<v Speaker 2>and Holly were told by detectives that Brandy and Jeremiahs

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<v Speaker 2>went to a bar close to the civic Center called

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<v Speaker 2>Crystals on the night of November fourth. Now, reviews of

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<v Speaker 2>this bar online indicate that it was apparently a gay bar,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was also one of the only bars that

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<v Speaker 2>was openly after the hurricane hit.

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<v Speaker 3>They believe something happened at that bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, one theory that Brandy's family told us detectives mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>to them was that Jeremias could have gotten annoyed when

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<v Speaker 2>he saw Brandy talking to or possibly flirting with another man,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Jeremiahs left that bar without Brandy. Holly talks

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<v Speaker 2>about this now, again, this is just speculation on her part.

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<v Speaker 2>She's describing what members of her family have heard from

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<v Speaker 2>the Lake Charles Police detectives over the years.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that they were probably more just like drinking buddies,

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<v Speaker 6>or they might have had a relationship, but all of

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<v Speaker 6>that has been kind of kept in the dark from us.

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<v Speaker 7>And.

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<v Speaker 6>My family in Louisiana didn't know who who he was either.

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<v Speaker 6>They had never heard of.

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<v Speaker 10>Him, but it wasn't unusual for her to kind of

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<v Speaker 10>keep it, yeah, cease communication for some weeks or.

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<v Speaker 6>Some months, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>And it just said they had a relationship, that didn't

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<v Speaker 9>say what typ.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think that it was. I think it was

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<v Speaker 6>somewhat romantic, actually, but that's just me speculating.

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<v Speaker 9>And she was seen going to the bar Crystals with

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<v Speaker 9>him from midnight to two am, and then he left,

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<v Speaker 9>she staved and drank, and then the theory is that

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<v Speaker 9>she became intimate with another man. He came back and

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<v Speaker 9>saw that he became upset.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know for sure what happened after Brandy went

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<v Speaker 2>to this bar. What we do know is that the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning, November fifth, that jogger found Brandy's body. We

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<v Speaker 2>also don't know much about the condition of Brandy's body.

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<v Speaker 2>We have sent boy a request for the case file,

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<v Speaker 2>but so far we've been denied due to this being

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<v Speaker 2>an open investigation. Polly has requested a copy of Brandy's

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<v Speaker 2>autopsy as a family member, but so far we have

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<v Speaker 2>not heard back.

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<v Speaker 3>We will keep you posted.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lake Charles Police Department was able to identify Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>through fingerprints. They told Brandy's family the murder had been violent,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they believed that Brandy had been strangled, exphyxiated,

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<v Speaker 2>and thrown into the lake. Police found a few clues

0:18:06.121 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 2>there was a Halloween mask near Brandy's body, but even

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<v Speaker 2>though according to Brandy's family, she had DNA inside her,

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<v Speaker 2>detectives apparently concluded there was no evidence of sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 2>Holly remembers the funeral and the shock of losing her

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<v Speaker 2>mother so suddenly, and of saying goodbye to her. Over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, Holly has reached out to her older brother,

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<v Speaker 2>the one who was given up for adoption when Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>was seventeen. Holly talked about the emotion of finding him

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<v Speaker 2>and telling him that he had a sister and that

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<v Speaker 2>his biological mother had been brutally murdered.

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<v Speaker 6>He didn't know about my mom.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not super super closed.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I talked to him like last Christmas, but

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<v Speaker 6>I remember my mom telling me about him and I

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<v Speaker 6>had always loved him, and just telling him that, Hey, like,

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<v Speaker 6>I know this is a lot for you, but I

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<v Speaker 6>just want you to know that I have always thought

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<v Speaker 6>about you. I have always cared about you. Your mom

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<v Speaker 6>always loved you. She talked about you, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>he had a really good life. His adoptive mom did

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<v Speaker 6>a great job. He is happy.

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<v Speaker 2>From what Holly has been told by detectives, the last

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<v Speaker 2>time that Brandy was seen alive was between midnight and

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<v Speaker 2>two am on November fifth, two thousand and five, at

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<v Speaker 2>the nightclub with a man. From witness descriptions, police were

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<v Speaker 2>able to draw sketch of a man whom Brandy was

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<v Speaker 2>seen hanging out with at the club. From that and

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<v Speaker 2>from other clues, they identified JEREMIAHS.

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<v Speaker 3>Salzark.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, he had long brown hair. He was

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<v Speaker 2>also six feet tall. We don't know much about JEREMIAHS.

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<v Speaker 3>Either.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that he's from Leveland, Texas, and that he

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<v Speaker 2>did have some prior arrests, but we can't find a

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<v Speaker 2>record of him being arrested for anything violent. There were

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<v Speaker 2>some drug charges, also some glittering and indecent exposure charges that,

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<v Speaker 2>based on his history, could possibly have come from him

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<v Speaker 2>camping out in populated areas. By the time detectives identified him,

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<v Speaker 2>JEREMIAHS had already left Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 3>He was on his way to Tacoma, Washington, so they

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<v Speaker 3>drove back.

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<v Speaker 1>He called.

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<v Speaker 4>There was an s There was an evidence for an indictment, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Late Charles police went to Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>They went through the process of having JEREMIAHS arrested and

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<v Speaker 2>extradited back to Louisiana. Police said they believed JEREMIAHS and

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy knew each other. Sergeant Mark Krause with the Lake

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Police Department told a news station, quote, there was

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<v Speaker 2>some relationship, whether it be friends or something more substantial

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<v Speaker 2>between the two, and that's where we began our investigation

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. And three months after Brandy's body was found

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<v Speaker 2>in that lake behind the Civic Center, JEREMIAHS. Salazar was

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<v Speaker 2>charged with her murder. In January of two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 2>four months after Brandy was brutally murdered in Lake Charles, JEREMIAHS.

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<v Speaker 2>Salazar was charged with Brandy's murder. Police got him extradited

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<v Speaker 2>from Washington State. He was brought back to Louisiana and

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<v Speaker 2>incarcerated in the Calcashu Jail. His bond was set at

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<v Speaker 2>a million dollars. But then there was a shocking turn

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<v Speaker 2>of events in this case. At first, the grand jury

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<v Speaker 2>returned true bill, meaning they believe there was enough evidence

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<v Speaker 2>to indict Jeremiahs. But then they met again this time,

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<v Speaker 2>they returned a no bill, which means they no longer

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<v Speaker 2>believed that there was enough evidence to charge him. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to put in a quick caveat here. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot we don't know about this DNA sample. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much of a sample there was, how much

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<v Speaker 2>of it was degraded, or if there were issues with testing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no evidence that that was the case, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to put it out there. I found an

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<v Speaker 2>interview with the district attorney in the case from back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty eleven, six years after Brandy's murder on American Press.

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<v Speaker 2>In that interview, the DA says that DNA testing quote

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<v Speaker 2>excluded Jeremiahs. The district attorney said at that time the

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury felt that there was not sufficient probable cause

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<v Speaker 2>to go forward, but he added that if law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>got any new evidence, they could reindict Jeremiahs or indict

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<v Speaker 2>another defendant. Miranda said she had regular contact with the

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<v Speaker 2>detectives on the case until Jeremias was taken in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the grand jury. She said the no bill decision

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<v Speaker 2>was devastating for their family. So now there were a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of questions outstanding. Some detectives apparently thought maybe Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>had sexual intercourse with someone else, someone other than JEREMIAHS,

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.361
<v Speaker 2>and that JEREMIAHS had attacked her in a jealous rage,

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<v Speaker 2>But of course a very real other possibility is that

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<v Speaker 2>it was someone else. Entirely after Jeremiah was released, no

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<v Speaker 2>new suspects were ever arrested. In the same interview where

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy's father had mentioned that they had to bury her

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<v Speaker 2>in a turtleneck, he pointed out there had been a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer murdered and brought to justice within a few

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<v Speaker 2>days at around the same time Brandy was murdered. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>just because Brandy was homeless and had mental health issues

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<v Speaker 2>and addiction issues, that did not mean that her case

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<v Speaker 2>was any less important. The Lake Charles Police Department said

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<v Speaker 2>that they had tried to solve this case. They had

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<v Speaker 2>even gone so far as to go to another state

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<v Speaker 2>file charges extradite someone back, and they said they would

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<v Speaker 2>pursue any additional information that was given. However, the reality

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<v Speaker 2>is that in Louisiana, both during and after Katrina and

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<v Speaker 2>even today, law enforcement has a vast number of cases

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<v Speaker 2>they need to clear, and new ones are piling up

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<v Speaker 2>every day. Another thing that Holly has wondered over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>is if Brandy's case could have any connection to other cases,

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<v Speaker 2>including the eight women who were killed in Jefferson Davis

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<v Speaker 2>Parish that's right next to Calcashu Parish. They're known as

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<v Speaker 2>the jeff Davis a or the Jennings. A. Journalist Ethan

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<v Speaker 2>Brown wrote a book about these unsolved murders and corruption

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<v Speaker 2>in the parish. It's called Murder in the Bayou. The

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<v Speaker 2>first body was found on May twentieth, tive. A twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight year old named Loretta Lynn Chase and Lewis was

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<v Speaker 2>found in a canal in Jennings in the Jefferson Davis Parish.

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<v Speaker 3>Loretta was addicted to crack.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these cases were linked to the drug

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<v Speaker 2>trade that went down Interstate ten. There's also By the Way,

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<v Speaker 2>an investigation discovery show based on Ethan's book, also called

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<v Speaker 2>Murder in the Bayeux. On June eighteenth, two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty year old sex worker named Ernestine Marie Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson was also found in a canal south of Jennings.

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<v Speaker 2>Her throat had been slashed, her wrists were bound together.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a violent struggle to the death in Ernestine's case,

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<v Speaker 2>two men were arrested in charge with her murder, but

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<v Speaker 2>the charges were later dropped. On March eighteenth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and seven, the nude body of twenty one year old

0:25:33.041 --> 0:25:37.241
<v Speaker 2>Kristin Lopez was found in a canal near Jennings. Kristin

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing only one sock on her left foot. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>two people were arrested in charge with Christian's murder, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were later released due to lack of evidence. Over

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<v Speaker 2>the next year and a half, four more victims were

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<v Speaker 2>found in that area. Twenty six year old Whitney Dubois,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three year old Laconia Muggy Brown, twenty four year

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<v Speaker 2>old Crystal shab Bin Wazino, and seventeen year old Britney Gary.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these women were found in or around Jennings.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them reportedly had ties to sex work. Almost

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<v Speaker 2>all of the killings, according to police, were believed to

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<v Speaker 2>be caused by strangling or asphyxia. Only one Ernestine's involved

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<v Speaker 2>a stabbing. In August of two thousand and nine, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six year old Nicole Gilliery was found. This was in

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<v Speaker 2>a neighboring parish, Acadia Parish, but also near the iten.

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<v Speaker 3>So a task.

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<v Speaker 2>Force was formed between local law enforcement and federal and

0:26:34.521 --> 0:26:38.041
<v Speaker 2>state authorities, but progress was slow and they seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of different theories about who was killing

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<v Speaker 2>these women. It's interesting because the sheriff and Jefferson Davis

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<v Speaker 2>Parish Sheriff Edwards said he believed the killings could be

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<v Speaker 2>the work of a common offender, which a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people took to mean one serial killer work in the area.

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<v Speaker 2>But after reviewing a lot of public information and reading

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan Brown's excellent book, I agree with him. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence does not point to one single serial killer.

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<v Speaker 2>What we do see are a lot of allegations of

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<v Speaker 2>police corruption and certain members of local law enforcement possibly

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<v Speaker 2>being involved in drug deals, and of law enforcement looking

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<v Speaker 2>the other way when certain types of crimes occurred. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most shocking statistics I saw in Ethan

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<v Speaker 2>Brown's book was one about homicide clearance rates. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>in Calcashu Parish, where Brandy was murdered, the homicide clearance

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<v Speaker 2>rate is seven percent. I couldn't believe I read that right.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to read that a couple times. That means, presumably,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's correct, in that pair, you have a ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three percent chance of getting away with murder, which I

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<v Speaker 2>find shocking. Holly hasn't been sure what to think. There

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be no evidence that jeremiahs had actually harm Brandy,

0:27:56.161 --> 0:27:59.561
<v Speaker 2>But could he, as detectives apparently wondered, have hurt her

0:27:59.601 --> 0:28:03.361
<v Speaker 2>mother because she had consensual sex with someone else? Or

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<v Speaker 2>could someone else, maybe the person whose DNA is inside Brandy,

0:28:07.921 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 2>have assaulted and murdered her. Holly hasn't been sure what

0:28:14.921 --> 0:28:18.041
<v Speaker 2>to think. There seemed to be no evidence that Jeremiah

0:28:18.121 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>harm Brandy, But could he, as detectives apparently wondered, have

0:28:22.801 --> 0:28:26.121
<v Speaker 2>hurt her mother because Brandy had consensual sex with someone else?

0:28:27.041 --> 0:28:30.761
<v Speaker 2>Or could someone else, maybe the person whose DNA is

0:28:30.761 --> 0:28:36.241
<v Speaker 2>inside Brandy, have assaulted and murdered her. Her mother's death

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't Holly's last brush with tragedy. In two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 2>her father, Daniel Cercy, was murdered tenty sixteen. A man

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<v Speaker 2>named Sean Pinson, who is twenty eight years old at

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<v Speaker 2>the time of the murder, was sentenced to seventy years

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<v Speaker 2>in prison for Daniel's murder. Daniel's body was bound at

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<v Speaker 2>the hands and feet with zip tized speaker wire and

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<v Speaker 2>an electrical cord. According to an arrest report, there were

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning supplies and a scented candle and a fan being

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<v Speaker 2>directed through the chimney to mass the odor. The arrest

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<v Speaker 2>report stated that Sean had given a friend money to

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<v Speaker 2>buy supplies, including bleach and an air freshener from Walmart.

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<v Speaker 2>A former employee and friend of Shawn's testified that Shawn

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<v Speaker 2>told him he wasn't going to lie anymore and that

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<v Speaker 2>Sean had led him to see Daniel's body. Holly said

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<v Speaker 2>to this day she questions whether there may have been

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<v Speaker 2>other people involved in her father's death, people who have

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<v Speaker 2>never been brought to justice.

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<v Speaker 6>I do believe that there are others walking free Almongos

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<v Speaker 6>that were involved did my dad's death. But one thing

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<v Speaker 6>that I have had to realize, and it took me

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<v Speaker 6>a long time to realize, is that I'm not going

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<v Speaker 6>to know everything. I'm not going to know everything about

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<v Speaker 6>my mom, I'm not going to know everything about my

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<v Speaker 6>dad's case, and I just have to kind of make

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<v Speaker 6>my own closure. And this is like a form of

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<v Speaker 6>me doing that, you know, with the Justice for Brandy

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<v Speaker 6>Dyson and reaching out to the podcast I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 6>to make some foremost closure because really, my son had

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<v Speaker 6>both of his grandparents taken away from him. They will

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<v Speaker 6>never know him, and that makes me so sad for

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<v Speaker 6>all of them. So yeah, I've had to like make closure.

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<v Speaker 6>I've had to become at peace with not knowing every again.

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<v Speaker 2>Police had denied our foy requests. Holly, since she's next

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<v Speaker 2>of Ken, is trying to get access to Brandy's autopsy.

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<v Speaker 2>If we had the autopsy, we could possibly find out

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<v Speaker 2>if there was water in Brandy's lungs, possibly what other

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<v Speaker 2>tests were done, and if there is any other evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that police may have overlooked. Plus we would know what

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<v Speaker 2>types of samples they took. In the meantime, she's had

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<v Speaker 2>frustrating encounters with the Lake Charles Police Department, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to asking about the Jeff Davis A.

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<v Speaker 6>There are eight unsolved cases thirty five miles away from

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<v Speaker 6>where my mom was murdered, and I think that all

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<v Speaker 6>of those people deserve kind their cases looked at. And

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<v Speaker 6>I think this is not only I think it's is

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<v Speaker 6>like not only a department full issue of Louisiana. It's

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<v Speaker 6>a systematic issue because those women were also of a

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<v Speaker 6>high risk lifestyle. Let me tell you exactly what they said.

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<v Speaker 6>The case has not been reassigned. We have four violent

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<v Speaker 6>crime detectives. We are investigating a homicide that occurred on twelve,

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<v Speaker 6>twenty nine, and we're investigating another that occurred on twenty

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<v Speaker 6>one before the weather of it here in els, to

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<v Speaker 6>my knowledge, our agency has never been the lead investigating

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<v Speaker 6>to since e on a case, only to pass it

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<v Speaker 6>off to another inner agency. And I contacted crime stoppers

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<v Speaker 6>in the parish and they informed me that LCPD needs

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<v Speaker 6>to request to feature their case on Facebook. Would you

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<v Speaker 6>be able to reach out to them on her behalf.

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<v Speaker 6>I know how underfunded and understaffed police departments are, but

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<v Speaker 6>that that does not give me peace, but does not

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<v Speaker 6>giving me justice. And I would like somebody to care

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<v Speaker 6>from the LCPD. It's just so that to me, I'm so,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a recovering addict. I have five years sober, and

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<v Speaker 6>you know a lot of my addiction has dealt with

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<v Speaker 6>the traumas of losing my parents, and like people like me,

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<v Speaker 6>people like my parents don't deserve to be thrown away,

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<v Speaker 6>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, Brandy's family needs someone to come forward, Someone who

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<v Speaker 2>may have seen Brandy at that night club or who

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<v Speaker 2>may have been in the area on November fourth or

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<v Speaker 2>November fifth, two thousand and five. There are pieces of evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Halloween masks? What kind was it? Could it

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<v Speaker 2>be traced? Was their DNA taken off the mask? Also,

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<v Speaker 2>we have not received any part of the case file,

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<v Speaker 2>so we don't know if it was something her killer wore,

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<v Speaker 2>or if she was wearing it for some reason, or

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<v Speaker 2>if it was just randomly there trash that someone chucked

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<v Speaker 2>in the water from Halloween which had been four days earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a killer on the loose, one who got away

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<v Speaker 2>with it in two thousand and five, and you very

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<v Speaker 2>well could still be out there.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, absolutely, Like what like, we've just let this person

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<v Speaker 6>be on the streets and other people could be going

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<v Speaker 6>through the same thing that I was, and they had them.

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<v Speaker 6>I try to stay.

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<v Speaker 8>Out of the what is uh? Yeah, there could be Oh.

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<v Speaker 6>There's so many what if you know? And with no

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<v Speaker 6>information or hardly any information, it's just it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week, we're gonna dig deeper into Brandy's murder. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to try to retrace her steps on the night

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<v Speaker 2>she was killed and explore the possibility of DNA testing

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<v Speaker 2>and find out what the next steps could be. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try to do a deeper dive into these parts

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<v Speaker 2>of Louisiana and find out why apparently in some corners

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<v Speaker 2>of that state, people have a greater than ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>chance of getting away with murder. We want to understand

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<v Speaker 2>why are so many disadvantaged women being killed and dumped here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Katherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen

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