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Speaker 3: Blutlet Cab podcast. We got a special guest in here,
Speaker 3: Christian Orgrews two. It's out right now. I just told
Speaker 3: Will today it might be your best album.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: I think in terms of official releases, mixtapes aside. I
Speaker 3: think it's your best album.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: I think it might be better than Rolling Papers.
Speaker 1: It is. I say it on the album it's the
Speaker 1: best one yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then like, you know what I loved about
Speaker 3: this project? Well, first of all, I was like very
Speaker 3: nervous because when you name something after you know, a
Speaker 3: classic like Cushion Orange Juice, the expectations are crazy. And
Speaker 3: then sonically I'm like, well, damn, like it's twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: whereas west Head's going to be at But like man,
Speaker 3: sonically it was right in that pocket.
Speaker 2: Production wise, like very very happy that that's the reception
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: It was incredible. And then for you, like when you
Speaker 3: started working on this, was it like intentional or did
Speaker 3: it start to just feel like, oh, I think we
Speaker 3: could do a Cushion Orange Juice too, or was it
Speaker 3: like we're going to do a cushion Orange Juice too.
Speaker 3: Let's go find those, let's go, you know, let's get
Speaker 3: with Cardo let's give it, you know, the crew.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it was. It was intentional, but it's something
Speaker 2: that took a minute because you know, I had to
Speaker 2: figure out like what that was like for real, Chris,
Speaker 2: Cushion Oorjers is the music, but it's the feeling as well.
Speaker 2: And I started the concept of Cushion Oorjews too really
Speaker 2: like around this time last year, like when I started
Speaker 2: thinking about doing it and I announced it to my
Speaker 2: fans because I was in the studio and I was working,
Speaker 2: and I was going through beats and I was just
Speaker 2: trying to figure out like what direction I wanted to
Speaker 2: go in, and I really just felt like taking it
Speaker 2: back to my roots. I was like, I don't really
Speaker 2: feel like trying anything new. I liked the newer styles
Speaker 2: of music, like I love the production and I love
Speaker 2: the energy and things like that, but I just couldn't
Speaker 2: see myself like doing that for my next full project.
Speaker 2: And yeah, to me, like the most exciting full project
Speaker 2: for my fans and for anybody who really fucks with me.
Speaker 2: I think Cushion Orange Juice Too would just be a
Speaker 2: no brainer because if I try to make some ship up,
Speaker 2: you know, it might hit or it might miss. But
Speaker 2: with Cushion Orange Juice too. That's something that the fans
Speaker 2: been asking me to do forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exciting, you're exciting the basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've also asked me to do it, and
Speaker 2: I said I would. I never would, So I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm never doing that, Like why would I do that?
Speaker 1: Like why would I touch a classic?
Speaker 2: So it was kind of just me like going back
Speaker 2: to my roots and doing exactly what I know my
Speaker 2: fans want me to do as opposed to trying to
Speaker 2: make up some new ship.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was will and yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a process of finding the sound, finding the pocket,
Speaker 2: getting people ready for to embrace it and digest it,
Speaker 2: and then doing the things that I know that they
Speaker 2: were like, like you said, getting with Cardo. Cardo is
Speaker 2: so essential to the Cushion Orange Juice sound. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: be what it is if I don't have these Cardo
Speaker 2: beats on there.
Speaker 1: And there's just moments and things.
Speaker 2: That I do or my delivery or you know, just
Speaker 2: the way that I rap or my tone of voice.
Speaker 3: That I think your tone is important. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like these freestyles that tone is like, yeah, it's different. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like it feels like like fucking BLOGI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And that's something that I was able
Speaker 2: to turn on, you know, just by being in touch
Speaker 2: with the fans. Like it's not it's still my performance
Speaker 2: voice is what you hear when I'm on stage and
Speaker 2: things like that. But you know, there might be songs
Speaker 2: where are like what's happening is a little bit more
Speaker 2: laid back. There's there's songs where I can you know,
Speaker 2: relax my voice or whatever whatever. But on this particular project,
Speaker 2: I know, as soon as you hear it, what's gonna
Speaker 2: sound like cushion orange juice. And it's not just me
Speaker 2: like making this up. It's based off of my fans
Speaker 2: in their reaction the.
Speaker 3: Max Water Water, thank you, the Max be interlude, the
Speaker 3: way you came in on that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Thank you man, it was crazy, thank you good?
Speaker 3: Look what what how new is that? Max Be? Uh?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Was that something? Because it sounds good. Obviously it doesn't
Speaker 3: sound like it's on the phone. It sounds like he
Speaker 3: he probably you know, I don't know how he gets
Speaker 3: that good, but whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Now I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: It's all energy drinks in there round water.
Speaker 2: I have a big ass jug in the car if
Speaker 2: you want to. Yeah, no, I'm glad the vocals sound
Speaker 2: good on there.
Speaker 1: I'm glad everybody's.
Speaker 3: Damn near sounds like you've had it for like since
Speaker 3: before he.
Speaker 2: Was Nah, I mean, I definitely it's definitely a recent verse.
Speaker 2: It's definitely something that you know, was specialized in, you know,
Speaker 2: given to me personally from him. And I'm just glad
Speaker 2: that it came off the right way, you know, because
Speaker 2: that was like in my head, that was the Godfather moment,
Speaker 2: you know, just to keep the wave alive and to
Speaker 2: you know, show Max be his respect, but also like
Speaker 2: bring it into now.
Speaker 1: And like the way that I wanted to use it
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Album was to keep the album flowing and not like,
Speaker 2: you know, depend on this Max b moment, but have
Speaker 2: it really paint the picture of the whole scenery of
Speaker 2: what's going on. And that's why I think it does too.
Speaker 2: It blends in as well as like stands out, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because it was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite songs from the beginning. I've had that song for
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like you came in, like it
Speaker 3: reminds me of like when Rick Ross came in on
Speaker 3: Devil in a New.
Speaker 2: Dress, Like, Yeah, yeah, Sledgroing produced that one, so shout
Speaker 2: out the Sledgeer.
Speaker 3: You also like on this project, you have a very
Speaker 3: very vulnerable for for whis Kalif a very vulnerable record.
Speaker 3: The record with Rumor, the just to See You Smile
Speaker 3: record where you dedicated to your your mother, your mom,
Speaker 3: shot to moms and your brother who passed away. Was
Speaker 3: that like when when you get into stud because I've
Speaker 3: been in the studio with you, Is that the kind
Speaker 3: of record where you could write that and record that
Speaker 3: with the because your sessions are usually pretty vibe for
Speaker 3: the most part. Yeah, Or is that some ship where
Speaker 3: you got to like kind of clear the room, like
Speaker 3: what was what was laying that down like and writing
Speaker 3: that record?
Speaker 2: I actually wrote that one at my house and but
Speaker 2: I was on live.
Speaker 1: I was on I Live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was something that I wrote in front
Speaker 2: of people that I don't know it was like it
Speaker 2: might have been like twenty five hundred people in the
Speaker 2: live that day. But yeah, that was something that again
Speaker 2: I wanted to feel confident presenting that to my fans and.
Speaker 1: To the people who loved me. So if you're gonna
Speaker 1: hear it later.
Speaker 2: I want you to hear it while I'm making it
Speaker 2: so I can know what pocket to be in and
Speaker 2: what feels good and what was not. So that was
Speaker 2: something that I was confident, more confident in making than
Speaker 2: it was difficult to make. And me and Rumor we
Speaker 2: had made. I think we did three songs in our
Speaker 2: session that could have went towards Christian Orange Juice too,
Speaker 2: but that one, to me, was the most meaningful and
Speaker 2: the most It was the most It was the one
Speaker 2: that stood out to the people who saw me recorded
Speaker 2: the most as well. So wed I we decided on
Speaker 2: that one, and when he gave me the hook, he
Speaker 2: gave it to me, it was like, Yo, I know
Speaker 2: you just had a daughter, so you know you might
Speaker 2: be able to write the song about your daughter. And
Speaker 2: but it just made me think about my mom more
Speaker 2: than anything, cause she just moved out here to la
Speaker 2: and I've been seeing her a lot, and she's been
Speaker 2: hanging out with my kids, and it just, you know,
Speaker 2: made me really just grateful for our relationship.
Speaker 1: And then it also made me think about my brother
Speaker 1: who passed.
Speaker 2: Because during the month of February is when I was
Speaker 2: writing a lot of this stuff and that's the month
Speaker 2: that he passed away, and that's usually like a difficult
Speaker 2: month for me. But as time got you know, as
Speaker 2: more time went by, and especially this year, I was
Speaker 2: just in a really good headspace. I was able to record,
Speaker 2: I was able to work. I was able to you know,
Speaker 2: play my son's birthday party, playing my mom's birthday party,
Speaker 2: get a lot of my album you know, completed, and
Speaker 2: do a lot of work on myself as well. So
Speaker 2: it just felt really good to you know, kind of
Speaker 2: just talk about you know, him too in our relationship.
Speaker 3: What do you uh, you know, in terms of this
Speaker 3: energy you've been on man with these freestyles, just bringing
Speaker 3: back the nostalgic like even the style of these like
Speaker 3: quick shoot music videos. Yeah, it just just very much
Speaker 3: like puts me in that twenty ten eleven twelve space.
Speaker 3: You know what inspired you to? I mean just because
Speaker 3: I'm man, you've been in your back like in a
Speaker 3: very very strong way. What has inspired the energy?
Speaker 2: I knew I was getting into album mode and just
Speaker 2: the energy of just keeping going and saying fuck it,
Speaker 2: that's really inspirational. I know how that feels to be
Speaker 2: inspired by that, and I know how it feels to
Speaker 2: own that too, So I kind of just started applying
Speaker 2: that and just said, fuck it, I'm a post, you know.
Speaker 1: However many times a day. I'm a post.
Speaker 2: However, whatever time I want to during the day, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, kind of control the narrative and
Speaker 2: allow my fans.
Speaker 1: And people to really.
Speaker 2: Enjoy it as much as I'm enjoying it, because when
Speaker 2: they see me having fun and being free, then that
Speaker 2: allows them to you know, feed off of it and
Speaker 2: do what they do. If I hold on to it
Speaker 2: or if I wait, or if I try to surprise them,
Speaker 2: then they may or may not get it. But if
Speaker 2: I get in my bag and it allows me to
Speaker 2: practice too, Like it gives me a lot of like
Speaker 2: practice for the things that I'm setting myself up for.
Speaker 2: So there was only positive for me getting active and
Speaker 2: doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like two artists these days, like they don't
Speaker 3: even think about Like all they think about is like, well,
Speaker 3: if I put this out, I can't I can't really
Speaker 3: monetize it. Like for example, you don't squabble up or
Speaker 3: the Tupac freestyle, like those are like strictly for your fans. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you're not able to like put that on Spotify
Speaker 3: or I feel like a lot of artists have gotten
Speaker 3: so far away from the idea of like getting fans excited.
Speaker 2: Right right, because yeah, it's easy to get away from
Speaker 2: that because everybody wants that one big moment because they're
Speaker 2: waiting for that one thing to go viral or whatever.
Speaker 1: And my whole thing was and.
Speaker 2: I talked to a problem or Jason Martin about this.
Speaker 1: It was January, and he was like, man, what's up
Speaker 1: with the album? Man? He was like getting frustrated a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: He's like, when we put an album out, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you gotta wait, yo, Like, it's not gonna be one
Speaker 2: thing that pushes this over. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be on like my fifteenth freestyle and then people will
Speaker 2: finally get it, you know what I'm saying. Like, I've
Speaker 2: already planned ahead, knowing that it was gonna take fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty however many it ended up catching on way earlier
Speaker 2: than I thought it would, but knowing that in the
Speaker 2: long run, you have to set it up these small
Speaker 2: little things that end up being you know, a big,
Speaker 2: big wave that causes motion. But yeah, I'm not depending
Speaker 2: on the one little thing I always just wanted to
Speaker 2: keep building it up, and that was the idea behind
Speaker 2: Christian Orange Juice too, as well as to extend the
Speaker 2: experience as much as possible, like not just drop one
Speaker 2: focused track and then dropped the track list and then
Speaker 2: put the album out, because we would have been done already. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we wanted to extend it. We've been working this
Speaker 2: album since October last year, so October, November, December, January, February, March,
Speaker 2: and we dropped in April. So we worked the whole
Speaker 2: album for six months before we even put it out,
Speaker 2: and we put the album cover out back then as well,
Speaker 2: So it's been in your brains and that was the
Speaker 2: idea behind it.
Speaker 3: Yo. Did do you know if Kendrick heard the Squabble
Speaker 3: up remix?
Speaker 1: He probably did at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like because I played that shit on
Speaker 3: the radio audire so I feel.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, I've heard that's type. Man. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, great, great freestyle. My favorite was
Speaker 3: the pop one, the pop one, yea.
Speaker 1: The prom was hard.
Speaker 2: The freestyle's got such a great reception, Like, I'm such
Speaker 2: a fan of that and I'm so happy that people
Speaker 2: still receive that and that it was able to you know,
Speaker 2: revive a feeling.
Speaker 1: For people, because that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it sets it up for so
Speaker 2: much more, like that was only the beginning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even like the cloud ship with coal.
Speaker 2: Clouds with coal, yeah, all of them. I got a
Speaker 2: special place in my heart for all my little babies.
Speaker 3: So that like the col like record. Did he like
Speaker 3: so he had sent that to you ahead of time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he sent it to me to clear the
Speaker 2: laugh because if yeah, there's like a whiskalif laugh.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he didn't have to. He was just being
Speaker 1: cool out of respect.
Speaker 2: Out of respect, he showed love and was like, yo,
Speaker 2: can we use the laugh? And then this is when
Speaker 2: I was doing all the freestyles. I was on one.
Speaker 2: I was like, Nigga, let me put a verse on there,
Speaker 2: and he's like, all right, cool, So I put the
Speaker 2: verse on there. But the same night, I just dropped
Speaker 2: it on my Instagram like and then everybody started going crazy,
Speaker 2: like people start picking it up, and it just created this,
Speaker 2: you know, this whole narrative. So he ended up releasing
Speaker 2: it on his website as well. But it was cool,
Speaker 2: it was fun.
Speaker 3: No he's doing a real good job of taking like
Speaker 3: a non traditional approach to whatever we're in with him,
Speaker 3: like this rollout, he's got blog posts and podcasts and YO,
Speaker 3: talk to me because I've been saying this, like the
Speaker 3: blog era of hip hop, you know, for all of
Speaker 3: its strengths and weaknesses, to me, it was an era
Speaker 3: where there were actually gatekeepers, but the gatekeepers had good
Speaker 3: taste for the most part.
Speaker 1: Who do you think we're the gatekeepers?
Speaker 3: I just mean, like, you know, if you think about
Speaker 3: like not right two dope boys, Like if like these
Speaker 3: guys really, if they posted your music, they had the
Speaker 3: power to like change your your your your momentum. There
Speaker 3: was like a lot of those you know, whether it
Speaker 3: was rap radar, whether it was there's so many of
Speaker 3: those blogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the cool thing about that blog
Speaker 2: era though, like it was blog era because of the blogs,
Speaker 2: but it was bigger than the blogs though. It was
Speaker 2: about the fans, right and it was everybody. We all
Speaker 2: had our own fans, and the blogs were to entertain
Speaker 2: the fans. Like we went to the blogs because that
Speaker 2: was the underground at the time.
Speaker 3: That was the underground for sure, and.
Speaker 2: That was people's jobs who didn't make music. They were like, okay,
Speaker 2: let me right, let me go and get a share.
Speaker 3: Getting new music.
Speaker 2: But the blog era the artists like we were on tour,
Speaker 2: we were underground. We were just you know, in our fans' faces.
Speaker 2: And I think that's bigger than the blogs to me. Like,
Speaker 2: I love the blogs, but the blogs didn't make us though,
Speaker 2: like Twitter, you know what I'm saying, YouTube and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. That's what really really made it crack because
Speaker 2: without that, we wouldn't have an outlet to our fans
Speaker 2: that the picked up later.
Speaker 3: It was almost like that was the first time that
Speaker 3: artists had a direct to consumer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and that was good. Yeah, And that
Speaker 2: was good because with the blogs, they were directly running it,
Speaker 2: so we didn't have to go to anybody, you know,
Speaker 2: any higher ups. We had our direct to our fans,
Speaker 2: and then we had our direct to our media as well,
Speaker 2: so we didn't need anybody to promote us. We were
Speaker 2: promoting ourselves through our network. That was the blog era,
Speaker 2: and it was cool. It was fun. We were self
Speaker 2: sufficient and we all knew each other, We all have
Speaker 2: respect for each other, We all you know, we all
Speaker 2: assisted each other's come ups, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think like one.
Speaker 2: You know, like even even people like Drake, he started
Speaker 2: exactly where where we all started from, doing exactly what
Speaker 2: we were doing. And you know, his plan is what
Speaker 2: got him to his super duper stardom, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And even Kendrick too, he opened up for
Speaker 2: me and Mac on tour crazy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So he was not under us, but we were all
Speaker 2: literally on the same you know, path for a long time,
Speaker 2: and the trajectory of it just panned out due to
Speaker 2: like us as individuals and shit like that. But I
Speaker 2: think there's way more strengths to the blog era than
Speaker 2: there are weaknesses.
Speaker 3: No, I think it was. I mean, it's my favorite
Speaker 3: era of music ever, so.
Speaker 2: Other than other than the nineties, like the you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like the Pioneer.
Speaker 3: I just think of like the discovery of new shit
Speaker 3: and how excited you were to discover like new shit,
Speaker 3: and how easy it was back in the day. Yeah
Speaker 3: you had to go to the record store and go
Speaker 3: to hopefully find an album used, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I like how safe the blog era was too. We
Speaker 2: wasn't worried about too much. We wasn't really like shooting
Speaker 2: at each other. Nobody was killing each other, nobody was
Speaker 2: you know, using you know, too hard a drugs. Lean
Speaker 2: started to like come in towards the end of it,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't really about all of that ship like before,
Speaker 2: and it was really safe and we were promoting safe stuff.
Speaker 2: We were promoting stuff that you know, later on in
Speaker 2: life you could still apply these values and more. And
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, in the nineties, people were
Speaker 2: very diverse, and in the blog era was really diverse
Speaker 2: as well. Like you had freaking Freddy Gibbs, and you
Speaker 2: had flat Bush zombies, and you had you know, currency,
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Had motherfucker, you had Mike Posner. Mike Posner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like random everybody who was popping up in
Speaker 2: a blog eraro was cracking, Like you.
Speaker 3: Had a big crid in Ritz and they had like
Speaker 3: a fuck yellow wolf. Who else was just crazy ye had?
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a you had. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Charles Hamilton was hard.
Speaker 1: Charles Hamilton, great name in the blog era.
Speaker 3: Yo pill was dope pill. Charles Hamilton, though sick, he
Speaker 3: was one of He.
Speaker 1: Was one of the ones.
Speaker 3: He was very consistent, even like the the mood music
Speaker 3: ship that Joe Butden.
Speaker 1: Joe Budden was doing mood music so good man.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I feel like glass House is kind of
Speaker 3: like the the quintessential like put it in, put it
Speaker 3: on the mantle of blog era rap, thank you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was on two Black Classic projects.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah we made that at south By Southwest damn.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace in the Airbnb.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, south By Southwest used to be the ship
Speaker 3: man ill Moore was cracking.
Speaker 2: The ill Moore was jumping. We just used to roam
Speaker 2: the streets the south By Southwest. That's that's she used
Speaker 2: to be fun. I was was the blog air days.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 3: The headline that's going around today, you're the latest flat earther.
Speaker 1: For real? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I saw, she said. I heard your explanation on the
Speaker 3: Joe Budden podcast. Yeah, so break because you have obviously
Speaker 3: been all over the world. Do you truly think that
Speaker 3: we live on a flat plane? Is that I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to just watch out idea a little more.
Speaker 2: I just believe more what I see than what I
Speaker 2: what you're told. What I'm told, especially the older that
Speaker 2: I get and the whole concept of space is way
Speaker 2: too big for my imagination anyway, It's too big for
Speaker 2: a lot of our imaginations. We would love to believe that,
Speaker 2: we could think we know what the shape of the
Speaker 2: world is, but the reality behind that is like, it's impossible.
Speaker 2: So you choose what you want to believe, even if
Speaker 2: they are facts supported by you know, scientists or uh whatever, whatever.
Speaker 1: You believe that. You know what I'm saying, it's a belief.
Speaker 3: It's not they haven't that. It's like most of these
Speaker 3: people haven't been in space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a belief. You just choose what to believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all. So.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that there's right or wrong. I
Speaker 2: think that people choose what they want to believe. If
Speaker 2: you choose to believe that what the scientists say, cool.
Speaker 2: If you choose to travel and find out for yourself
Speaker 2: or see as much as you can for yourself and
Speaker 2: base your beliefs off of that, then you know that's
Speaker 2: another choice. And that's more or less what I did.
Speaker 2: And based off of me traveling, I've only moved flat,
Speaker 2: I've only moved and looking at the map and how
Speaker 2: we in the routes that we take, it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like we're going around anything. It just seems like we're
Speaker 2: just going straight over you know what I mean, over
Speaker 2: top of where it could look like a circle. It
Speaker 2: could be circular if you rounded it out, but if
Speaker 2: it's just one thing, it connects exactly the same.
Speaker 1: So I just don't see the difference.
Speaker 3: That's fair. Yeah, I also find it very peculiar that
Speaker 3: we were able to go to the Moon in the
Speaker 3: sixties but we have yet to do that.
Speaker 1: Again, that's questionable. A lot of stuff is questionable.
Speaker 3: Like I think the whole moonshit was.
Speaker 2: When you start allowing me to question things, that's when
Speaker 2: I start to believe other things right, And I'm not
Speaker 2: like sold on anything, but it's just from my experience
Speaker 2: it really don't even matter to me all like that
Speaker 2: because I'm not leaving Earth anytime soon to find out.
Speaker 3: Are you going to if Jeff Bezos hit you to
Speaker 3: take the Katy Perry flight, are you doing it?
Speaker 2: And no, I'm good man, I won't I won't gain
Speaker 2: I won't gain anything from that. But it's just funny
Speaker 2: to me, like how like people are so tripped out
Speaker 2: about either the Earth being around or the Earth being flat,
Speaker 2: Like you can argue about that all day, Like you
Speaker 2: can't argue that that hat is black. That's that black hat, right, correct? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like we can't argue about that that's a fact.
Speaker 2: It's not a fact of either, like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's just whatever you believe, even like you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it might seem cool to like go back
Speaker 2: and forth and all of this, but nobody really fucking
Speaker 2: knows who knows who knows?
Speaker 3: I feel like if there's like anybody who would have known,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't They obviously probably wouldn't be here anymore because
Speaker 3: they would have fallen off the who knows the side
Speaker 3: who knows? The permuter triangle could be where the Earth ends,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people disappear when there's that permute,
Speaker 3: A little that's probably a vortex, some sort of alien.
Speaker 1: So much stuff as possible.
Speaker 2: They say that that that this is where we live,
Speaker 2: and that there's so much earth. There's like ice walls
Speaker 2: that we can't go past. Have you heard about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So my producer, my producer is, do you believe
Speaker 3: that's a flat earther? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But do you believe in the ice walls? I don't
Speaker 1: why not.
Speaker 3: I don't know. See, I don't how about this, I
Speaker 3: don't know, you don't want to how about this? I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't know what.
Speaker 3: We don't know exactly who knows? It's my whole entire
Speaker 3: approach approach. That's my approach with religion because I'm not
Speaker 3: a religious person. But like the people who would know
Speaker 3: what happens to you after you die are dead, so
Speaker 3: like we just choose.
Speaker 1: To believe, Like I don't think that they're dead, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that those people, like whatever whatever happens once
Speaker 3: we transition to whatever is next, how do we It's
Speaker 3: not like we could find out firsthand what they had,
Speaker 3: what they went through once they passed away. Like, so
Speaker 3: I feel like most religion is you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's all very similar and it's all very man made.
Speaker 3: But like who really knows?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and not who as in who,
Speaker 1: but who.
Speaker 3: You. I know you've done a lot. I know you've
Speaker 3: done a lot of shrooms and ship do you feel
Speaker 3: like when you've I don't know if you've had like
Speaker 3: that like kind of spiritual breakthrough or you feel like
Speaker 3: super small on psychedelics. I feel like that is being
Speaker 3: like super fucked up on mushrooms. I think I ate
Speaker 3: eighth ones and I was just I was tore back, dude.
Speaker 3: It's like the closest thing I've ever been to like believing,
Speaker 3: like damn, maybe there's some other shit going on.
Speaker 2: There has to be some other shit going on. We
Speaker 2: are a speck in the universe. That's that's for real.
Speaker 3: That believe aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe in aliens. I believe that.
Speaker 2: I read a lot of books and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and in some of the books they talk about like
Speaker 2: sharing technology with aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since at least the seventies.
Speaker 3: At least I think Roswell was before then, though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I just saw like an article where they said
Speaker 3: that they tried to reverse engineer or whatever the Roswell
Speaker 3: crash was back then and they failed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But to me, it's like much cooler to believe
Speaker 1: that shit than to not believe it.
Speaker 3: It also makes sense it does.
Speaker 2: To me too, bro, how this world is, because like, damn, bro,
Speaker 2: you know, they would love to like keep us blind
Speaker 2: and just keep us right where we're at. But the
Speaker 2: more we start to like get the information, they're like Oh,
Speaker 2: they won't believe it.
Speaker 1: It just sounds fucking crazy, so they'll never believe it.
Speaker 3: Did you know, I don't know, Like last year they
Speaker 3: had those hearings about the UFOs and the Pentagon acknowledged. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but during that time, there was so much political shit
Speaker 3: just getting thrown at the wall that it just like
Speaker 3: came and went like if that shit was like in
Speaker 3: like ninety nine and they told us UFOs are real,
Speaker 3: be the biggest fuck. Everybody be losing their fucking mind. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just another too, like no one cared.
Speaker 1: Here, nobody gives a fuck.
Speaker 2: This is so much going on, and we're like, even
Speaker 2: if they like start exposing it, people will be completely
Speaker 2: fine with it because it's like there's so much other
Speaker 2: shit going on.
Speaker 3: I think we've been preconditioned with movies and TV shows
Speaker 3: to if we found out aliens are real, we all
Speaker 3: are kind of mentally, whether we know or not, just
Speaker 3: kind of like okay with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think they that they like, like you said,
Speaker 2: they conditioned us, but they made aliens look like little roundhead,
Speaker 2: little bug eye things.
Speaker 3: If they like, yeah, if they will they look like
Speaker 3: the predator, We're all freaking out.
Speaker 1: They might look like us.
Speaker 3: They might feel me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They might look exactly like us, And that's why they
Speaker 2: did all of that to throw us off.
Speaker 3: If anyone's an alien, my money, if you had, you know,
Speaker 3: the betting favorite in Vegas would probably be Elon. You
Speaker 3: think I think he'd be the betting favorite.
Speaker 2: He might be mixed with alien maybe, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he's like a hybrid.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who else is very like alien like?
Speaker 3: Kanye is not? No Victor Webmanyanna from the.
Speaker 2: Spurs all right, shout trying to think about alien.
Speaker 3: Like people, alien like people. Breeze could be an alien.
Speaker 1: Trying to think of a real deal freaking alien. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, they hear though.
Speaker 3: I feel like most of the tech guys are very
Speaker 3: like like Mark Zuckerberg feels like he could be like
Speaker 3: like inside of his brain, there's like do you remember
Speaker 3: from the Ninja Turtles Crane like inside life on men
Speaker 3: and yeah, and he's like driving the person and ship.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: Talk to me. You obviously, you know you were ahead
Speaker 3: of the curve in terms of like doing the vlog thing.
Speaker 3: You still do it. You still do the day to
Speaker 3: day stuff, and then recently you've started to embrace like
Speaker 3: the new wave of hip hop media and just media
Speaker 3: in general, and where the attention is at the streaming shit.
Speaker 3: What what's your thoughts on the streaming ship? I know
Speaker 3: you were with Playboy Max and you went over to
Speaker 3: h dd G ship. You're at DG sh right, Yep, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a production. Yeah it would you ever dip
Speaker 3: into the like you're obviously have gone on live with
Speaker 3: fans and stuff, like an official Whiz stream on Twitch.
Speaker 2: I would do a stream, I would fuck with one
Speaker 2: or two, but I wouldn't become a streamer. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do it like full time.
Speaker 3: It's a commitment.
Speaker 1: It's a huge commitment.
Speaker 2: A lot goes into it, gotta there's ups and downs
Speaker 2: every stream, ate the one, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then you're super exposed.
Speaker 2: Hell exposed, and it just takes all the time away
Speaker 2: from all the other stuff that you have to do.
Speaker 1: Which is cool if that's how you're coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because those dudes put a lot of time into it,
Speaker 2: put a lot of effort into it, and the ones
Speaker 2: who win are the ones who outstream each other. It's
Speaker 2: not a popularity contest. It's a work, hard, grind contest,
Speaker 2: and I love that for them because they're able to
Speaker 2: you know, come from nothing and start from real humble
Speaker 2: beginnings and based off of their work ethic and their
Speaker 2: you know, communication with their fans, they're able to build
Speaker 2: you know, their own companies and make other companies a
Speaker 2: lot of money, which is cool.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 3: I mean you were doing you were doing a game
Speaker 3: like I've been your video game.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I've done that stuff, which is in
Speaker 2: support of my you know, efforts to get in that world.
Speaker 2: But for me personally, I can't see myself putting all
Speaker 2: of that time into it because you know, that's what
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: Like that's like asking them, one of them to come
Speaker 1: on tour, ye.
Speaker 2: You know, put an album out, put an album out promoted,
Speaker 2: go on promo tour, go on tour after it different.
Speaker 2: They might want to do a song or two, but
Speaker 2: they ain't trying to do all of that. So it's
Speaker 2: the same thing. Like I think when it works for
Speaker 2: me to pop in, I pop in, I show love.
Speaker 2: I understand the importance of the platform and support it genuinely,
Speaker 2: and that's pretty much how that goes.
Speaker 3: Yo, you got to Uh, you were on a Jelly
Speaker 3: Rolls album. Yep, you've done Stagecoach before. Would you ever
Speaker 3: like do like a like a country esque like body
Speaker 3: of work because a lot of rappers are doing country
Speaker 3: songs right now.
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 2: I recorded like a little country pack, Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: listened to it and I just didn't. I didn't think
Speaker 2: it was I didn't think it sounded right.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that, buddy. I thought for sure you
Speaker 3: were cooking something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because I saw like.
Speaker 3: You do, like a big ex of the player has
Speaker 3: done such a good job because he's just doing him.
Speaker 2: Thank you for putting it out. No, for sure, Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it wasn't it. It's not what people want from me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like I feel like, you know, you
Speaker 3: gotta know what people want. You gotta know what people
Speaker 3: want from you, and you gotta, you know, be very
Speaker 3: self aware when you're like, yo, this sounds like I'm forcunate.
Speaker 3: It's got to be organic too, Like.
Speaker 1: It's got to be organic.
Speaker 2: It was fun, it was cool, and as much as
Speaker 2: I would just love to just love my own music,
Speaker 2: it was like, that's not what I wanted to represent
Speaker 2: myself with. And that's not I'm people. They don't want
Speaker 2: that from me. They want to.
Speaker 3: One hundred. Is there a song of yours? Because you
Speaker 3: I like the tour this summer, because you're you're doing
Speaker 3: smaller venues. It's Taylor Gang tour. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Chevy's opening and and Bonics will be there. Obviously Bonics
Speaker 3: is all at all the shows, but he's on the bill.
Speaker 3: Shouts to Bonics. Is there a song you're tired of performing?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What is the one song? If if you? I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously you have so many big records, but there's got
Speaker 3: to be one that where you're just like, no.
Speaker 2: No, I don't have any songs that I'm tired of performing.
Speaker 2: I love performing all my songs. I explained it as
Speaker 2: there could be somebody who's been a fan of mine
Speaker 2: for at least fifteen years. Christian Orange is fifteen years old,
Speaker 2: So you can be a fan of mine for at
Speaker 2: least fifteen years and not have ever been able to
Speaker 2: be able to make it to one show.
Speaker 1: And this might be the show that you make it to.
Speaker 2: And if I'm tired of performing your favorite song, and
Speaker 2: god forbid, I don't perform it or perform it with
Speaker 2: not enough energy.
Speaker 1: That's gonna ruin your whole experience. It's not on me,
Speaker 1: it's on you. I got you.
Speaker 3: Are you going to bring out any like B side
Speaker 3: shit or any any like random for the Newtoria. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're starting off like the intimate running. Then we're
Speaker 2: gonna go do amphitheaters after. And so with the intimate run,
Speaker 2: that's the exact point is to start with the new
Speaker 2: music and kind of engrave that and the people show
Speaker 2: them how to move to it, get them used to it,
Speaker 2: and try some stuff out for the bigger stages as well,
Speaker 2: and create that sense of urgency too. Like I was
Speaker 2: talking with somebody and they told me that there was
Speaker 2: a concert that only had two thousand tickets and that
Speaker 2: they were just so pissed because they couldn't get one,
Speaker 2: as opposed to.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, having the option to get one. I
Speaker 1: may or may not go.
Speaker 2: They were like, I need to get a ticket, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's that's a really good feeling. It's a
Speaker 2: good opportunity for me to connect with fans who haven't
Speaker 2: been to some shows, or you know, sometimes the show
Speaker 2: may be a little too far out, or it might
Speaker 2: cost a little bit too much money do some merge.
Speaker 2: It just creates a really good experience that I know
Speaker 2: lasts forever, and especially with having new music, I've had
Speaker 2: this feeling before. I know what this this feels like,
Speaker 2: like you said, like this being one of my best albums,
Speaker 2: my best album actually just as far as albums, but
Speaker 2: as far as my collection goes. I've had projects where
Speaker 2: I've dropped them and I felt good about them. I've
Speaker 2: had projects where I've dropped them and I wasn't, you know,
Speaker 2: as connected to them, but knowing how Cushing Orange Juice
Speaker 2: felt just as a whole reaction wise and plan wise,
Speaker 2: trajectory wise, this feels, you know, very very familiar. So
Speaker 2: I love this feeling that I'm capitalized on off of it,
Speaker 2: and I'm doing all of the right moves to make
Speaker 2: this whole experience what it's supposed to be, not just
Speaker 2: the music, but make memories.
Speaker 3: I saw a mixtape mount Rushmore floating around online. Did
Speaker 3: you see that? Yeah, Big fifty was on there. Wayne.
Speaker 3: I feel like you got to be on there because
Speaker 3: I feel.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, for sure, Christian or Juice is.
Speaker 3: Probably the greatest mixtape of Maybe I make the next one,
Speaker 3: but who I mean, I think some somebody just generated
Speaker 3: it on j GPT. But with that being said, who
Speaker 3: would you have up there with you on the mixtape
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore. Let's say your era though, because I think
Speaker 3: it's easy to say fifty fifty e fifties, like forever
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 1: Currency me Max B.
Speaker 4: So for everybody who's on the album, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly, and you're talking about like twenty ten. Yeah,
Speaker 4: who's stay consistent with mixtapes?
Speaker 2: Little bee shout, Yeah, it'll be.
Speaker 3: Had a lot of ship out. Yeah yeah, and yo,
Speaker 3: someone needs to bring back the dance, the cook the
Speaker 3: cooking d Yeah, and everybody was saying swag yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: shouts a little bee man, protect a little be at
Speaker 3: all costs. Once you said that you're gonna do ampathey
Speaker 3: to run after the intimate run, Yeah, have you figured
Speaker 3: out because you're the summer that's.
Speaker 1: What you do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't announced it yet, but that announcements coming
Speaker 2: real soon.
Speaker 3: Are you How often are you doing more tie a week?
Speaker 1: I'm still doing five days a week.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing muy Thai five days a week. I'm
Speaker 2: doing hot yoga three days a week now so I'm
Speaker 2: doing all that stuff now.
Speaker 3: Is it like, while you're working on the album you
Speaker 3: have late night studio sessions? Is it a bitch? Like
Speaker 3: we'll get up the next day and still nah nah,
Speaker 3: Like like are you napping? You got like a cool
Speaker 3: nap hour?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, do I get a little napping?
Speaker 3: I feel like you kind of need it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I needed a little napping. After two o'clock is
Speaker 2: when I get out of yoga. So between like I
Speaker 2: get home around like three and I eight lunch, So
Speaker 2: between like four and six, I get a little nap
Speaker 2: because then I'm up and then I make sure my
Speaker 2: kids go to sleep and all that. I'm usually I'm
Speaker 2: awake with my kids in the morning before I go
Speaker 2: to the gym, and I'm with them before they go
Speaker 2: to bed, and then that's when I go to the studio.
Speaker 3: What is the difference been, Because there's obviously there's the
Speaker 3: experience of being a dad for the first time, yeah,
Speaker 3: and learning everything. What has been the experience having your
Speaker 3: second kid and and and you know now that you've
Speaker 3: cause you're your son bashes like he a little dude,
Speaker 3: Like he's grown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's up there.
Speaker 3: But like, what is the experience been like the second
Speaker 3: go around for you.
Speaker 1: It's.
Speaker 2: It's really awesome, like for me because I'm in a
Speaker 2: great headspace. I'm in a great space for my family,
Speaker 2: I'm in a great space just like as a human being.
Speaker 2: So just having that and knowing where my values are
Speaker 2: as well being able to do all of this stuff
Speaker 2: like you said, and then make it home to my
Speaker 2: babies in my newborn you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 2: people think that you have to sacrifice that, like you
Speaker 2: have to like for sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, no, I'm doing all of this and
Speaker 2: I'm waking up going to sleep next to this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: Just to be able to balance that and know that
Speaker 2: that's where my superpowers come from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's dope. Yeah, Like you said,
Speaker 3: people feel like if you have to have a certain
Speaker 3: level of success, like your fatherhood's got to dip off, Yeah,
Speaker 3: your personal life's got to And yeah, at times I'm
Speaker 3: sure can but at times.
Speaker 2: But those times are like when it's absolutely one necessary,
Speaker 2: when there's no other option.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not me giving in and you know,
Speaker 2: saying that I can do that later. Everything revolves around
Speaker 2: that and when the time comes then of course, you know,
Speaker 2: we do what we have to do. But for me,
Speaker 2: I just know how important that is to do both
Speaker 2: as opposed to just one or the other.
Speaker 3: And you got to learn how to, like, you got
Speaker 3: to really know how to say no to shit too.
Speaker 2: You gotta know when to put your foot on the
Speaker 2: guys and when to you know, just let the car cruise.
Speaker 1: You still have motion, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Do the baby mamas get along. Everything's kosher.
Speaker 1: The baby mamas get along.
Speaker 2: Everybody's everybody's Cool's one big, happy family.
Speaker 1: As far as parenting goes.
Speaker 3: Of course. I mean you guys have always been great
Speaker 3: co parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're really cool.
Speaker 2: The respect level is super duper high, the fun level
Speaker 2: is super high, the communication is good. What else, It's
Speaker 2: just a good team, man, Yeah, really good teams.
Speaker 3: You've somehow hacked that shit well, everybody being these toxic
Speaker 3: as relationships with their ex and their kids. Mom, you
Speaker 3: and Amber have had the shit hacked for like ten years.
Speaker 1: Not for Shure, man.
Speaker 2: We figured it out for sure, And you know, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say it's not easy, but it is easy with her.
Speaker 1: We don't we don't really go through anything.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like like when you see, like obviously
Speaker 3: she was a big Trump supporter, she spoke at the RNC. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like it was funny to see like so many
Speaker 3: people who like fucked with Amber turn up on her online,
Speaker 3: Like like when you see that kind of shit, does
Speaker 3: it like bother you?
Speaker 2: I don't really read that stuff. I don't look at
Speaker 2: that that shiit like, I'm not into it. It's better
Speaker 2: to just act like it doesn't exist because it's not
Speaker 2: real life. It's the Internet. It's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I explained to her too, Like
Speaker 2: when she even made that decision, I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: if people stop fucking what you based off of what
Speaker 2: you do, they was just looking for a reason and
Speaker 2: not fuck with you anyway. Yeah, so it's like it's
Speaker 2: not even worth it.
Speaker 3: One hundred Yeah. Would you ever do another movie?
Speaker 1: Wiz? Yes? Absolutely. I feel like I'm working on a
Speaker 1: movie now.
Speaker 2: It's called Moses the Black Oh really yeah yeah, it's
Speaker 2: with Omar Ebbs and some other cast members.
Speaker 3: I feel like you have obviously you have a you know,
Speaker 3: a cult classic with Snoop and then you have the
Speaker 3: really really the weird Cowboy movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a cameo in a Cowboy movie.
Speaker 1: It was funny though. I liked that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny too, because like I looked at
Speaker 3: that movie, like I'm sure like when we were growing up,
Speaker 3: like you'd see like Nas would be in a movie,
Speaker 3: like you go to Blockbuster and they just have a
Speaker 3: picture of Nas, yeah, and then you'd rent it and
Speaker 3: it would be like a quick cameo, die real quick.
Speaker 3: Or then there'd be like you know, bust A rhymes
Speaker 3: and exhibiting full clip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've ever bro It's the DVD days right there,
Speaker 2: straight to dvd.
Speaker 3: What do you think is the worst rap movie ever?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Belly too, starting the Gamers.
Speaker 2: I didn't even watch that. What's the worst rap movie
Speaker 2: that I've seen? I usually like all the rap movies.
Speaker 2: I like like Kill the Season, Classic, Yeah, I like
Speaker 2: State Property.
Speaker 3: I Got the hook up? Was that ship?
Speaker 1: I got the Hookup? Was hard? All master P movies
Speaker 1: was hard. I'm about it was hard.
Speaker 3: I'm about it was dope. Yeah, master P man he
Speaker 3: had some ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Mac and Devon go to high school
Speaker 2: was hard bro for sure.
Speaker 1: That was a good movie.
Speaker 3: I always say that Belly is the best worst ever.
Speaker 2: The storyline gets a little trip, yes, but it's like
Speaker 2: they threw all these like all your favorite like yeah
Speaker 2: parts of your favorite, like yeah, all into.
Speaker 1: One out of respect.
Speaker 3: I just love it though, Oh instead of I'm just
Speaker 3: mad Hip Williams didn't do more movies because it was
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 2: Cop like started getting the DMX to like kill the
Speaker 2: dude like that was.
Speaker 3: That's when it started to take a turn. They were
Speaker 3: like like weird Malcolm X type shit going on, and
Speaker 3: it was like there was like scarfaced remnants and then
Speaker 3: shout out to nas who's you know? Just I love Belly,
Speaker 3: though I love Belly. Some classic moments in that.
Speaker 2: Oh, Snoop made like some really good The Wash that
Speaker 2: was a good movie. Wash Bones Yeah, Bones was fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah the wash was solid. Bones was interesting. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: been Yeah, shout to uh, shout to Snoop. I think, uh,
Speaker 3: baby Boy one of the best feelings of all.
Speaker 2: Time, baby boy bossing up? That was a good one.
Speaker 2: Good Snoop movie you've seen bosting up?
Speaker 3: Oh wait, was that the new one where he's that
Speaker 3: was paid?
Speaker 1: That was the pen movie.
Speaker 3: Though I didn't see Boss It Up.
Speaker 1: You should watch that.
Speaker 3: I watched all the Member the Pimp documentaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Yeah, Pimp Hose down.
Speaker 3: Down there was like, mister white folks, it was pimping.
Speaker 1: Can they don't? They don't. They denounced themselves from that movie.
Speaker 3: Recently, did they?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they said it was like, you know, pushing
Speaker 2: poverty on America.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't disagree with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there was that era. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: like former.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They grew out.
Speaker 3: Of there, they grew up. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to uh,
Speaker 3: shout out to those guys. Se I just remember that era,
Speaker 3: like pimping was like a fucking Godfather was on.
Speaker 1: W w F Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: He had the whole train dog Like.
Speaker 2: He'd be like, you want some hose? Don't you just
Speaker 2: giving people hose?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I just saw him. I went to WrestleMania this past
Speaker 3: weekend and he I went to an indie show and
Speaker 3: he went.
Speaker 1: Form being in the Nation of Domination, of being Godfather.
Speaker 3: And before that he was Papa Shango. Oh he was guy,
Speaker 3: but he's running. Ah, he runs cheetahs. In Vegas now
Speaker 3: the Strip Club, the Godfather Run Cheetahs.
Speaker 1: Man, we've got the real host trade now. I love it.
Speaker 3: Man, is there gonna be a de lux for this?
Speaker 3: I feel like you kind of already kind of put out
Speaker 3: the Deluxe because there's some stuff after the outro obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, its already done. You guys got everything, Cushion, Orange Juice.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm done.
Speaker 1: Working for the year, though. I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Release some stuff that based off of like the freestyles
Speaker 2: that I was doing, and then it would be cool
Speaker 2: to do a Tailor Gang album before the end of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 3: That'd be Dopey who always would be on the Tailor
Speaker 3: Gang album.
Speaker 2: These days, pretty much everybody who you heard on my
Speaker 2: album j TI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much every everybody.
Speaker 2: Who you heard on on my album would be on
Speaker 2: the Tailor Gang album, plus a few other artists maybe producers.
Speaker 3: Are you like still actively signing new artist? Is Taylor Gang?
Speaker 3: Or is it like I feel like you got a
Speaker 3: lot of people you just fuck with?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really what it is. I haven't signed anybody
Speaker 2: in a minute. We've done some management deals. Those have
Speaker 2: been more made more sense than actual record deals.
Speaker 1: And things like that.
Speaker 2: But now that we get into like releasing more projects,
Speaker 2: and you know, after the success of this one, just
Speaker 2: seeing the rollout and how it happened, it's going to
Speaker 2: open up a lot of opportunities for us to do
Speaker 2: some things.
Speaker 3: What is uh, you know, obviously you're insane entrepreneur. How
Speaker 3: did you get involved with Liquid Death?
Speaker 1: They came to me a.
Speaker 2: Long time ago, definitely before COVID, but just pre you know,
Speaker 2: blow up, and it was kind of just as far
Speaker 2: as like growing the company and adding to to to
Speaker 2: what the already expanding business was. But just you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, pushing that over the top. And there
Speaker 2: was an investment and there was also percentages and things
Speaker 2: like that that.
Speaker 3: I'm shout tour boy Will who hit me up like
Speaker 3: three days before the deadline and he was like, hey,
Speaker 3: you got X amount of money you can get in.
Speaker 3: I'm like, buddy, that's seventy two hours from now. Thanks
Speaker 3: for the fucking heads up.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was like, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: an investment and there's percentages that that that were you know, negotiated,
Speaker 2: and then here we are years later and it's super
Speaker 2: duper successful and we're happy to be part of it.
Speaker 3: You've done so many like side hustles. So I mean
Speaker 3: obviously the PFL was there ever an investment we haven't
Speaker 3: heard about. It just didn't work out, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like what was it?
Speaker 2: Probably like some apps that I invested in that we
Speaker 2: thought were going to be next level, some social media
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, some shit that we
Speaker 1: tried out.
Speaker 2: It's not like anything that you know, I would like
Speaker 2: freaking wouldn't do.
Speaker 3: I mean with those it's like you got to shoot
Speaker 3: a shot.
Speaker 1: It's hit or miss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. And you know,
Speaker 2: the narrower the scope began to be, we were able
Speaker 2: to focus on actual, real companies that we could help grow,
Speaker 2: as opposed to just try to like latch onto the
Speaker 2: next thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's gat's gambling. I mean, when you're trying
Speaker 3: to if you're trying to find the next Twitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like you know, sometimes it seems cool.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just gotta get out of there before it
Speaker 2: even turns into anything. And a lot of those situations
Speaker 2: like that's what it was, was we were out of
Speaker 2: there before it even you know, turned into that.
Speaker 3: Yo, You and Currencies relationship has been so like you
Speaker 3: guys are synonymous with each other. Your guys' careers are, like,
Speaker 3: you know, very similar trajectory wise. You guys been working
Speaker 3: together for over fifteen years, right, so yep, just gave
Speaker 3: us an album a few years ago together. Talk about
Speaker 3: y'all's friendship and just y'all's bond because Currency and You,
Speaker 3: like you guys obviously had a very similar come up.
Speaker 3: He continued to just run up the underground, run up
Speaker 3: the catalog, turn into this icon culturally obviously you go
Speaker 3: and you're you've turned in a fucking pop star, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, but you guys always stayed
Speaker 3: locked in with y'all's relationship, Like, man, how important is that?
Speaker 1: Super important?
Speaker 2: Just because that's like my real friend and besides music,
Speaker 2: you know, it took us like two months to record
Speaker 2: our album because we were just watching movies.
Speaker 1: And smoking the whole time.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Who we didn't want to record. We just wanted to
Speaker 2: hang out. And as long as we have that, like,
Speaker 2: that's all we really care about. Like the music is
Speaker 2: is a byproduct of our lifestyle. And I always see
Speaker 2: him happy he's buying cars like every freaking week, and
Speaker 2: that's like.
Speaker 3: The model cars.
Speaker 2: Like he does like a whole channel for that, like
Speaker 2: where he like commentates and everything, and he's that's the
Speaker 2: stuff that he's passionate about. And that's what the people
Speaker 2: who love Spita, they love him for that because he
Speaker 2: goes on tour and he wraps literally so he can
Speaker 2: do that to support his Yeah yeah, yeah, and you
Speaker 2: know that's why we love him. And for me, like
Speaker 2: it was always my plan to like kind of you know,
Speaker 2: navigate the industry and do the whole marketing and you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like that was always my thing.
Speaker 2: Like even when we met, I would be on the
Speaker 2: couch on my computer and you know what i mean,
Speaker 2: tapping in blah blah.
Speaker 1: Blah, and he was just.
Speaker 2: He would he would admire like my work ethic when
Speaker 2: it came to that, because he understood parts of that world.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't.
Speaker 2: He would just put his music out and be like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's cool, like whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2: And the people who love him took care of him,
Speaker 2: and I was more like we got fans in Arizona,
Speaker 2: we got fans and blah blah blah, like the technical
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like we've always
Speaker 2: played our roles when it comes to that, and we
Speaker 2: always will and we always include each other, you know,
Speaker 2: and everything that we're doing, which is just because we're
Speaker 2: more brothers than anything. And it's like with this album,
Speaker 2: our song on there, it sounds so freaking good, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because it is we never lost
Speaker 2: that combination and no matter what worldwide record I do,
Speaker 2: I'm always able to get back on my bro and
Speaker 2: make that sound that people love us for. And you know,
Speaker 2: so that's the music side of it that I'm that.
Speaker 2: I'm really happy that people always get to enjoy in
Speaker 2: our friendship. Ain't never going nowhere, never has and never will.
Speaker 3: Yo. You you it was obviously speculating, and you've talked
Speaker 3: about it because I remember when you got on the
Speaker 3: Super High remix with Ross and Neil, I for sure
Speaker 3: thought you were gonna sign with MMG.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a crazy time.
Speaker 3: That was a great record, by the way, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: that was like your I would say, like your mixtape
Speaker 3: Buzz was just so crazy at that time, G felt
Speaker 3: like the biggest shit ever they just signed Meek Mill,
Speaker 3: something made came out? What what was was there? Like,
Speaker 3: obviously you you made the intentional decision to you know,
Speaker 3: do your own thing. But was there ever like a
Speaker 3: a like that situation or another situation that you seriously
Speaker 3: considered doing before just deciding like now we're gonna do
Speaker 3: this our own way.
Speaker 2: No, I never considered signing with anybody all. Always knew
Speaker 2: I wanted to just do Taylor Gang and build my
Speaker 2: own way. I didn't know what it looked like, but
Speaker 2: I definitely knew that I had put myself up there
Speaker 2: with those guys as opposed to like being somebody like
Speaker 2: right that they and I love Ross and that was
Speaker 2: like a you know, it was a huge compliment for
Speaker 2: him to want to sign me, but that was just
Speaker 2: the wrong time to.
Speaker 1: Try to do it because I was just so popping
Speaker 1: on my own.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like yo, like nothing that nobody could have.
Speaker 2: Done for me ever that I wasn't going to do
Speaker 2: for myself. And I was very self aware of that.
Speaker 2: And it takes like a real person to tell you that, like,
Speaker 2: I love you, but you can't do more for me
Speaker 2: than I'm going to do for myself.
Speaker 3: I saw you fanning out, which was a dope moment
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like sometimes we just get so jaded
Speaker 3: by like going to shows enjoying shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 2: not too cool to just show my appreciation.
Speaker 1: Wrap the words.
Speaker 2: That's what I go to concerts for, to get loose
Speaker 2: and to trap the words. And I want to experience
Speaker 2: it and to see it live. You know, Wayne is
Speaker 2: influential to a lot of different you know, generations, but
Speaker 2: for us, he's always gonna be our goat, our allegend.
Speaker 2: We're gonna remember, you know, the Lighter Flick. We gonna
Speaker 2: remember the mixtapes. We remember Money on My Mind, we
Speaker 2: remember go DJ like we're gonna remember you know everything.
Speaker 3: My father like son, very underrated.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, so yeah those we were singing that outloud.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Tie too. Ty's performance look insane. Yeah,
Speaker 3: on the screen he had Draysonatra dressed like a fucking CEO.
Speaker 1: It was tight. He made me wear a jail outfit too.
Speaker 3: How dope has it been? Because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: Ty has been on a pretty crazy run with the
Speaker 3: Vulture stuff Carnivals a number one how dope was it
Speaker 3: for you to just kind of see as a friend
Speaker 3: as like a fan, like just like that wave. Obviously
Speaker 3: you and you have other connections, but I'm just curious, like,
Speaker 3: what was it like for you to just see that,
Speaker 3: because like it was it was so dope just to
Speaker 3: see Tye go to an arena or a stadium and
Speaker 3: just play his like they won't even perform, there's no
Speaker 3: fucking microphone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: I love seeing the people that I respect and admire
Speaker 2: get that same love, respect and admiration across the board
Speaker 2: because aside from being you know, friends with Tie, he's
Speaker 2: a super talented artist, Like he's alien extremely talented artist
Speaker 2: in the studio, he's like a monster, you know. And
Speaker 2: just to know that somebody that people consider one of
Speaker 2: the greats and you know, uh, somebody who if they
Speaker 2: say it's good, then the rest of the world say
Speaker 2: it's good. You know what I'm saying talking about, Yay
Speaker 2: have that much respect for ty and push him to
Speaker 2: the top and push him on his platform, and I
Speaker 2: mean that's like that's a win to me for everybody.
Speaker 2: And I just see it as like That's why I'm
Speaker 2: your friend.
Speaker 1: Because I see you saw from the jump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not even just from the jump, but
Speaker 2: just I know what they see at you, like I
Speaker 2: see that exact same thing. I know exactly why they
Speaker 2: feel that way. Sorry, my phone's usually off.
Speaker 3: Obviously You've done a lot of collab projects. Would you
Speaker 3: do because I'm hearing you and Larry on this album,
Speaker 3: I'm hearing the l Russell record. I know you and
Speaker 3: the Russell I think did two?
Speaker 1: I got we did two that day, We did three
Speaker 1: that day.
Speaker 3: Actually, would you do just throwing those two names out there,
Speaker 3: because I feel like a Larry June Whiz project would
Speaker 3: be insane? But would you do another collab project with
Speaker 3: another artist?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I would definitely do another, uh collab project with an artist.
Speaker 2: That might be the best thing for me to do
Speaker 2: after this solo joint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let the solo shit, you know. Yeah, either do
Speaker 3: the Taylor gam or do it like a low collab project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be the best thing to do.
Speaker 3: And then you're kind of like you're like independent now right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they know because.
Speaker 3: You were with Atlantic forever before that Warner Time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We released this album through BMG and They were really cool,
Speaker 2: super cool with the whole process. But it's like a
Speaker 2: licensing through BMG. BMG, so we still own it. But
Speaker 2: excuse me. Yeah, BMG was really really cool to work well.
Speaker 2: We did have meetings every week everything. They came to
Speaker 2: the studio listen to the album like four times. They
Speaker 2: waited for me to get done, all the way till
Speaker 2: the last final day till I turned it in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they weren't tripping at all. It was a really good
Speaker 2: process too for me to feel free, but to still
Speaker 2: also use a system to get this album to where
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be at.
Speaker 3: Yo, is it like when you heard? Because because I
Speaker 3: think to see you again. The biggest biggest music video
Speaker 3: on YouTube is.
Speaker 1: One of them. It's definitely top five.
Speaker 3: I think it's like top two or three.
Speaker 1: It's top three maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like insane. I think it's like the what
Speaker 3: was the Asian guy's.
Speaker 1: Name, Gangham style?
Speaker 3: Dude, that gam style.
Speaker 2: I think it's like either that or baby Sharks.
Speaker 3: Those are the three.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That is insane.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gotta be cool.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like that song you could take
Speaker 3: that like like you performed that song after Kobe passed
Speaker 3: away and the Lakers game, which had to be a tough.
Speaker 1: Thing that it was tough, but it was an honor
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as that song is gonna live forever, yeah,
Speaker 2: world worldwide.
Speaker 3: Well, the new album is incredible. Go get it. Yes,
Speaker 3: Vinyls on the Way.
Speaker 2: Vinyls on the Way, Tour on the Way, Merch on
Speaker 2: the Way. Yeah, yep, go support it. Man Cushions used
Speaker 2: two of them things, two of them.
Speaker 3: Let's go bulet cap show boom fire.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: To this camera.
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