1 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Hi, you guys. Welcome back to Killer Thriller docu-edition. Five women, 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: five different Hooters restaurants, five lives that ended in murder. 3 00:00:21,820 --> 00:00:24,689 Speaker 2: At first glance, these may look like five separate true 4 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:25,450 Speaker 2: crime stories. 5 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:28,450 Speaker 1: Five women living in different places, working at different restaurants, 6 00:00:29,050 --> 00:00:31,729 Speaker 1: each becoming the victim of a different killer. But when 7 00:00:31,750 --> 00:00:34,390 Speaker 1: you put those cases side by side, there is a 8 00:00:34,430 --> 00:00:39,380 Speaker 1: disturbing question that emerges. What connects them? Today, we're going 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,980 Speaker 1: to go inside the Hooters murders, Deadly Shift. And it 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: is a new documentary that examines the lives and murders 11 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:48,300 Speaker 1: of five women who all worked at Hooters. And we'll 12 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: talk about who these women were, what happened to them, 13 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:54,150 Speaker 1: the investigations that followed, and why their shared connection became 14 00:00:54,190 --> 00:00:57,850 Speaker 1: the starting point for a much bigger story. So joining 15 00:00:57,950 --> 00:01:01,590 Speaker 1: us is the show's showrunner, Kevin Brenecke, to take us 16 00:01:01,730 --> 00:01:03,770 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of the documentary and tell us what 17 00:01:03,790 --> 00:01:06,709 Speaker 1: he and his team discovered while putting these cases together. 18 00:01:07,390 --> 00:01:08,010 Speaker 2: Hi, Kevin. 19 00:01:08,130 --> 00:01:09,690 Speaker 3: Hi, Jen. Nice to meet you. Hi. 20 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:11,289 Speaker 1: So nice to meet you. Thank you for joining us. 21 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:16,490 Speaker 1: Welcome to Killer Thriller. So I obviously watched the Hooter murders. 22 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:18,670 Speaker 3: Whoa. Whoa. 23 00:01:18,910 --> 00:01:19,350 Speaker 2: Who knew? 24 00:01:20,010 --> 00:01:23,990 Speaker 1: It's funny because I kept like thinking when they tried 25 00:01:24,030 --> 00:01:27,550 Speaker 1: to rebrand Hooters and go back to the days when 26 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:31,050 Speaker 1: it was a family friendly restaurant. I'm like, what the 27 00:01:31,330 --> 00:01:34,110 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Family friendly. Like I wasn't bringing 28 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:37,770 Speaker 1: my little kids to the titty restaurant. I mean, I 29 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:40,169 Speaker 1: just wasn't, you know, I don't even know, was I 30 00:01:40,209 --> 00:01:42,949 Speaker 1: missed something? When was it family friendly? Yeah. 31 00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:45,500 Speaker 3: You know, I think that was, uh, that was a, 32 00:01:45,490 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: a difficult, um, thing to wade into because it is so, 33 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:53,100 Speaker 3: it's so murky and it's so unclear when you look 34 00:01:53,140 --> 00:01:55,420 Speaker 3: back at it. And I too, you know, I was 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: in the, in the, the early and mid two thousands, 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,620 Speaker 3: you know, I was in high school. I remember, uh, 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: Hooters being part of the zeitgeist. I remember it on, 38 00:02:05,780 --> 00:02:10,100 Speaker 3: you know, South Park and yeah, in the Adam Sandler movie. 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:10,820 Speaker 1: Right. 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,710 Speaker 3: And, you know, and people, my peers were dressing up 41 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:17,590 Speaker 3: like Hooters Girls for Halloween, right? It was very, very 42 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:22,610 Speaker 3: much just sort of like, iconic, sort of kitschy American brand. 43 00:02:23,270 --> 00:02:26,669 Speaker 3: And me just personally, I, you know, I never thought 44 00:02:26,690 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: of it. And I know I can answer for my 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,250 Speaker 3: parents to where, never thought of it as a family restaurant. 46 00:02:34,330 --> 00:02:37,050 Speaker 3: You know, we would be going to Applebee's as a family. Yeah. 47 00:02:37,169 --> 00:02:40,669 Speaker 3: We'd be going to Hooters, right? And so, you know, 48 00:02:40,690 --> 00:02:42,590 Speaker 3: and I know some of that is personal taste and 49 00:02:42,810 --> 00:02:45,609 Speaker 3: some people did treat it as a neighborhood family restaurant. 50 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:51,580 Speaker 3: I think Hooters in part branded themselves that way. And 51 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: then obviously other parts branded themselves by way of Hootery Girlz. 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,220 Speaker 1: After anyone who watches this documentary is not going to 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: feel so warm and fuzzy and family friendly about Hooters. 54 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:05,060 Speaker 2: I didn't know about this. 55 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:06,990 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you knew before you did 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,489 Speaker 1: the documentary, but I had no idea that there were 57 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:14,630 Speaker 1: five women from five different Hooters stores, as they call them, 58 00:03:14,650 --> 00:03:17,810 Speaker 1: which I also didn't really understand, but stores that were murdered. 59 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:21,630 Speaker 1: I didn't know that ahead of watching the documentary. When 60 00:03:21,650 --> 00:03:22,450 Speaker 1: did you realize that? 61 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:27,139 Speaker 3: I didn't know that either until actually I met with 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,870 Speaker 3: IPC and met with Versant, you know, Oxygen to learn 63 00:03:33,889 --> 00:03:36,570 Speaker 3: a bit about the story and, you know, to see 64 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:38,490 Speaker 3: if the project was a good fit between us. And 65 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:43,090 Speaker 3: I was shocked to hear that too. And, you know, 66 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:45,610 Speaker 3: I was more shocked once we started, you know, I 67 00:03:45,610 --> 00:03:48,310 Speaker 3: came on the project and started researching and realized just 68 00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:51,570 Speaker 3: how different all of the cases were. I was sort 69 00:03:51,590 --> 00:03:56,150 Speaker 3: of expecting to find, you know, one unifying central thread. 70 00:03:56,170 --> 00:03:59,050 Speaker 3: And then as we started researching more and talking to, 71 00:03:59,070 --> 00:04:02,309 Speaker 3: you know, the families, the friends of the victims, journalists 72 00:04:02,330 --> 00:04:07,850 Speaker 3: who covered the cases, you know, law enforcement, that they 73 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:11,230 Speaker 3: were so different. And they really sort of touched on 74 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:16,750 Speaker 3: different dynamics, not only, you know, within Hooters and for 75 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,020 Speaker 3: employees of Hooters, but, you know, as a culture. and 76 00:04:22,380 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: how Hooters girls were sort of viewed by potential perpetrators 77 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: out there. And, you know, they all sort of, you know, 78 00:04:30,690 --> 00:04:33,510 Speaker 3: touch on something very different. And that's part of what 79 00:04:33,850 --> 00:04:36,010 Speaker 3: really drew me to this project. 80 00:04:36,270 --> 00:04:39,690 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, the part of the documentary that 81 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:43,610 Speaker 1: really was the whole thing was interesting. But, you know, 82 00:04:43,630 --> 00:04:45,270 Speaker 1: I do a lot of true crime. I watch a 83 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:48,690 Speaker 1: lot of true crime. And they're all interesting, but I 84 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,340 Speaker 1: felt like what was the most compelling in terms of 85 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: the Hooters documentary was Hooters itself and their reaction to 86 00:04:56,940 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: what was happening. And not just their reaction to the murders, 87 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:04,950 Speaker 1: but even in terms of the way that they treated 88 00:05:04,970 --> 00:05:06,950 Speaker 1: their employees, the contracts that were signed. 89 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:11,290 Speaker 2: That was what was so hard to believe. And the 90 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: murders are crazy. 91 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:14,779 Speaker 1: They were awful and they were violent and they were just, 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: you know, and I see, I do again, I mean, 93 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: I have a true crime doc pod, but I do 94 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,500 Speaker 1: see a lot of that, but I really, what was 95 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:25,700 Speaker 1: the most compelling and disturbing part of this for me 96 00:05:26,140 --> 00:05:29,580 Speaker 1: is the lack of responsibility that Hooters to this day 97 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:30,670 Speaker 1: has taken. 98 00:05:30,690 --> 00:05:31,810 Speaker 2: And I don't. 99 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:34,010 Speaker 1: Know how they've gotten away with that. And maybe that's, 100 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:35,690 Speaker 1: maybe this is it. Maybe this is their come to 101 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:36,290 Speaker 1: Jesus moment. 102 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:37,110 Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. 103 00:05:37,130 --> 00:05:39,570 Speaker 1: Um, but I'm interested in what you think and how 104 00:05:39,610 --> 00:05:41,670 Speaker 1: they were managing, how they managed for all these years. 105 00:05:42,210 --> 00:05:44,650 Speaker 2: To make girls sign contracts saying that. 106 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:48,860 Speaker 1: They agree to wear, you know, the revealing clothing and 107 00:05:49,060 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: to talk in a flirtatious manner. How did they get 108 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: away with that? I guess it was a different time. But, 109 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:55,700 Speaker 1: you know, Hooters has been around a long time. 110 00:05:57,060 --> 00:06:00,099 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you definitely hit on it there. 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,230 Speaker 3: It was a different time. And obviously that's something we 112 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:06,710 Speaker 3: touch on briefly in the documentary that, you know, this 113 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:09,990 Speaker 3: was post the Me Too movement. It was post this 114 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:12,820 Speaker 3: sort of, you know, social enlightening movement that happened way 115 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: too late in our country's history, but happened nonetheless. And, 116 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: you know, this was 10, 15 years before that. And 117 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: that was certainly, I'd say, the most eye-opening aspect of 118 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:30,750 Speaker 3: this entire project for the whole team was reading, you know, 119 00:06:30,910 --> 00:06:34,549 Speaker 3: the Hooters handbook, the contracts, the acknowledgements that the employees 120 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:41,150 Speaker 3: were signing, the terminology and verbiage and general defense that 121 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:46,969 Speaker 3: Hooters defense team, you know, was using in their defense 122 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:52,900 Speaker 3: on several cases. And, you know, I think there's a 123 00:06:52,950 --> 00:06:57,660 Speaker 3: great article that was written by Jaya Saxena, who is 124 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: a subject in our interview. And I, you know, I 125 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:03,740 Speaker 3: implore everybody who's interested in this to read it, because 126 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:06,630 Speaker 3: as she, you know, I think so eloquently said in 127 00:07:06,670 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: her writing was that it seems when you look at 128 00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: the totality of Hooters history back then that, you know, 129 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,180 Speaker 3: there was sort of this, they operated in this space 130 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,100 Speaker 3: of plausible deniability. And I think that was, you know, 131 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:25,100 Speaker 3: that was accurate, particularly for that time period. 132 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,850 Speaker 1: Tell us, will you tell our listeners just what, be 133 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:31,530 Speaker 1: a little specific here, by plausible deniability, you mean? 134 00:07:32,030 --> 00:07:35,890 Speaker 3: By plausible deniability, meaning, you know, if they sort of, 135 00:07:37,150 --> 00:07:43,450 Speaker 3: publicly stayed out of something and they didn't acknowledge what 136 00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:47,910 Speaker 3: was happening inside of the stores when it comes to 137 00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:53,470 Speaker 3: harassment or assault, and in these cases, murder, that it 138 00:07:53,550 --> 00:07:57,750 Speaker 3: would be something they never have to confront and therefore change. 139 00:07:57,810 --> 00:08:00,830 Speaker 3: Because if they have to make a drastic change to 140 00:08:00,890 --> 00:08:04,700 Speaker 3: fix those issues, then it means that it strips the 141 00:08:04,740 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: company of essentially their entire identity, which is the booters girl. And, 142 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: you know, and I think that's something that, you know, 143 00:08:12,610 --> 00:08:15,770 Speaker 3: an argument that Jaya made in her article and something 144 00:08:15,790 --> 00:08:18,570 Speaker 3: we touch on briefly in the documentary that, you know, 145 00:08:18,610 --> 00:08:21,990 Speaker 3: if we had more time would have explored more. But 146 00:08:22,030 --> 00:08:25,300 Speaker 3: we also, you know, we didn't want to, we wanted 147 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:29,580 Speaker 3: to let this documentary be led by the participants' opinions 148 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,170 Speaker 3: and reflections and their own personal anecdotes, but also the facts. 149 00:08:34,830 --> 00:08:38,010 Speaker 3: And our point of view is not that Hooters is 150 00:08:38,390 --> 00:08:44,530 Speaker 3: and has been this nefarious organization forever. I think if 151 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:48,109 Speaker 3: you look back at that time period, not to take 152 00:08:48,170 --> 00:08:49,970 Speaker 3: anything away from this, but I think if you look 153 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:52,250 Speaker 3: back at the time period, there are probably many corporations 154 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:55,250 Speaker 3: that if you looked at their legal defenses and their contracts, 155 00:08:55,270 --> 00:08:58,290 Speaker 3: you'd be like, what? Because that time period, even though 156 00:08:58,309 --> 00:09:01,110 Speaker 3: it's just 20 years ago, feels like a time capsule 157 00:09:01,130 --> 00:09:04,429 Speaker 3: to medieval times or something when it comes to women's 158 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: protections and rights. And so I just hope that this 159 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: drives a little internal conversation within Hooters because they are 160 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:15,619 Speaker 3: ushering in this new era. And I think now in 161 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:20,420 Speaker 3: this day and age, post-MeToo, and especially in a world 162 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: where their employees are more vulnerable than ever in the 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,210 Speaker 3: digital age, uh, that they, that they, they take some 164 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:29,250 Speaker 3: time to reflect, you know? So, yeah. Yeah. 165 00:09:29,270 --> 00:09:32,980 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I, I cannot believe that I live 166 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,819 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, Northern Jersey and five minute drive on 167 00:09:36,820 --> 00:09:40,260 Speaker 1: 17 is a big old Hooters. And if I'm, you know, 168 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm being honest after watching this, I never have been, 169 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:47,470 Speaker 1: but I can't believe it's still standing and we are, 170 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:51,490 Speaker 1: you know, in 2026 and Hooters is still around. I 171 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: know they, they, bankruptcy, but they are still operating. And 172 00:09:55,540 --> 00:09:59,570 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine who is on the 173 00:09:59,630 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: executive board now. And these girls that you highlighted that 174 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,050 Speaker 1: were interviewed, and one of them was anonymous at the 175 00:10:07,070 --> 00:10:12,750 Speaker 1: beginning and so scared of hooters and corporate that as 176 00:10:12,850 --> 00:10:14,969 Speaker 1: she was touching her hands, it was very powerful, I 177 00:10:14,990 --> 00:10:16,630 Speaker 1: thought it was, and kind of picking at. 178 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 2: Her nails and shaking. 179 00:10:18,580 --> 00:10:24,300 Speaker 1: You know, there's like this fear of this corporate conglomerate 180 00:10:24,429 --> 00:10:28,890 Speaker 1: and what they can do, which is so scary. And obviously, 181 00:10:29,290 --> 00:10:32,790 Speaker 1: you know, that still exists. And you talked also, you 182 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:35,610 Speaker 1: hit on a lot about how the girls were so 183 00:10:35,710 --> 00:10:39,710 Speaker 1: young and working for Hooters felt so glamorous, right? And 184 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:41,350 Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, and I don't know why 185 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:43,150 Speaker 1: that was either. Maybe you can explain that a little 186 00:10:43,170 --> 00:10:46,150 Speaker 1: bit more, but how they thought that working for Hooters 187 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: was a stepping stone. 188 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,620 Speaker 2: I don't know if they thought if Hooters represented. 189 00:10:51,990 --> 00:10:54,569 Speaker 1: It as that, like if you come and work for us, 190 00:10:55,090 --> 00:10:58,010 Speaker 1: you are going to have opportunities in TV and film. 191 00:10:58,650 --> 00:11:00,150 Speaker 2: I mean, can you speak on that a little? 192 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:05,170 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And that was actually a larger part of 193 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:09,809 Speaker 3: the story at, you know, rough cut stage that we 194 00:11:09,929 --> 00:11:13,929 Speaker 3: chose to sort of whittle down, shape down a little 195 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:18,449 Speaker 3: bit to make more room for the individual stories, which 196 00:11:18,850 --> 00:11:25,390 Speaker 3: just feel more impactful on a personal level. But, yeah, Hooters, 197 00:11:25,650 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: especially that time period, it's interesting because it was sort 198 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: of this juxtaposition between, you know, culture, a lot of 199 00:11:33,220 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: American culture sort of viewing Hooters girls with this sort 200 00:11:36,420 --> 00:11:39,479 Speaker 3: of stigma. And then, you know, the other side of 201 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,700 Speaker 3: it was many people viewed it as a jumping off 202 00:11:42,740 --> 00:11:45,020 Speaker 3: point or an opportunity, a place where they could go 203 00:11:45,059 --> 00:11:48,780 Speaker 3: start a career. And particularly for young women, because, you know, 204 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:53,290 Speaker 3: there are many celebrities who actually got their start at 205 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:54,030 Speaker 3: Hooters as Hooters. 206 00:11:54,050 --> 00:11:54,410 Speaker 2: Really? 207 00:11:55,010 --> 00:11:57,809 Speaker 3: You know, Chrissy Teigen has come out and talked about it. 208 00:11:58,230 --> 00:11:59,710 Speaker 3: Amy Adams has come out. 209 00:11:59,730 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. Amy Adams? 210 00:12:02,050 --> 00:12:02,380 Speaker 3: Yeah. 211 00:12:02,750 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: I think of her as like Cinderella. I'm like, yeah. 212 00:12:05,260 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: I know. 213 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: Interesting. 214 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,650 Speaker 3: I know. And a lot of these women like Tara, who, 215 00:12:09,929 --> 00:12:13,610 Speaker 3: you know, was a participant in our documentary, you know, 216 00:12:13,690 --> 00:12:16,490 Speaker 3: she started at Hooters as a Hooters girl, got noticed, 217 00:12:16,690 --> 00:12:18,810 Speaker 3: you know, because that was early 2000s when these things 218 00:12:18,850 --> 00:12:21,239 Speaker 3: still happen all the time where she got noticed by 219 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: somebody eating at Hooters who, you know, was involved in photography. 220 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:29,020 Speaker 3: She took some model shots, you know, she sent them 221 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: out and suddenly she's on multiple covers of International Playboy. 222 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:35,630 Speaker 3: You know, she's a working model now. She's going to 223 00:12:35,690 --> 00:12:39,250 Speaker 3: all the pageants. And that opened up a lot of 224 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:42,330 Speaker 3: doors for her. And so I think, you know, many 225 00:12:42,390 --> 00:12:48,090 Speaker 3: young women were going to the Hooters workforce for that specifically. 226 00:12:49,809 --> 00:12:51,310 Speaker 3: And not to say that all of our victims were, 227 00:12:51,330 --> 00:12:54,510 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, all the victims covered in the documentary, 228 00:12:56,270 --> 00:12:57,650 Speaker 3: many of them weren't looking for that at all. 229 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:58,709 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course. 230 00:12:58,750 --> 00:13:01,650 Speaker 1: I think about Prisma, who was trying to, you know, 231 00:13:02,170 --> 00:13:05,090 Speaker 1: just make money and help get her husband, you know, 232 00:13:05,130 --> 00:13:08,349 Speaker 1: to our country. But it's funny you say Tanya because 233 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:10,670 Speaker 1: I'm thinking now of the other Tanya who also was 234 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:15,090 Speaker 1: told by her murderer that, you know, that he just 235 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:17,270 Speaker 1: wanted to take pictures at the beginning, if I remember correctly. 236 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:18,530 Speaker 3: Right? 237 00:13:18,550 --> 00:13:19,189 Speaker 2: Isn't that true? 238 00:13:19,309 --> 00:13:19,489 Speaker 1: Yeah. 239 00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:25,630 Speaker 2: Right? And lured her and murdered her ultimately. 240 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:30,370 Speaker 1: But how vulnerable these young women must have been if 241 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:35,530 Speaker 1: they were, in fact, looking for that big break, that opportunity. Right? 242 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,700 Speaker 3: That's right. And I think that was part of like perpetrators, 243 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:45,740 Speaker 3: a potential perpetrator like Christopher Haynes in the Tony Hillerud story. Sorry, 244 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:49,510 Speaker 3: Tina Foster. That was Tina Foster. And, you know, he 245 00:13:49,570 --> 00:13:53,750 Speaker 3: understood that some of the women coming to work at 246 00:13:53,770 --> 00:13:57,070 Speaker 3: Hooters had greater aspirations to be in front of the camera. 247 00:13:57,850 --> 00:14:01,110 Speaker 3: And that is what he weaponized. And that's what he 248 00:14:01,170 --> 00:14:04,740 Speaker 3: preyed upon. And so he went to a different Hooters location, 249 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,730 Speaker 3: you know, he talked to multiple employees about doing model 250 00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:14,309 Speaker 3: shots there. And then very tragically, you know, he set 251 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:17,990 Speaker 3: up that time with Tina Foster to take some photos. 252 00:14:18,390 --> 00:14:22,950 Speaker 3: And that's when he murdered her. And it's just completely 253 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:28,180 Speaker 3: awful and devastating. And, you know, I think that was 254 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: definitely an underlying theme between the cases was that, you know, 255 00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: when the perpetrator they knew the vulnerabilities that these women 256 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: may have had for holding that position. 257 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,060 Speaker 2: Yeah, right. 258 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,430 Speaker 1: I want to know why there are not just this 259 00:14:47,490 --> 00:14:52,390 Speaker 1: young woman who was anonymous and just was afraid that 260 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:54,510 Speaker 1: she would be found out by Hooters, but also there 261 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: was an anonymous young man, I don't know if he's young, 262 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: but a man who had worked at Hooters and did 263 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,740 Speaker 1: not want to be seen either. Tell me what the 264 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: concern is there that Hooters is so scary just as 265 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:07,660 Speaker 1: a conglomerate. 266 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: What is, what are these people so scared of? 267 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think, I think that that touches 268 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,100 Speaker 3: on a general fear in our country right now, not 269 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: to get too, too, yeah, too evil about it, but 270 00:15:22,340 --> 00:15:26,340 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, we're just in a massive power imbalance. Right. 271 00:15:26,380 --> 00:15:28,180 Speaker 3: And so I think a lot of people felt like, 272 00:15:29,060 --> 00:15:35,050 Speaker 3: and I, and I, I believe, the, the subject on, yeah, 273 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:37,290 Speaker 3: it was, it was, um, sorry, I'm trying to remember 274 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: which one, but actually they, they both shared whether on 275 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,540 Speaker 3: or off camera that they did fear the repercussions of 276 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,620 Speaker 3: Hooters and not even that they worked there anymore. But, um, 277 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: you know, I think they don't want to put themselves in, 278 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,970 Speaker 3: in a, in a potential, you know, position that could 279 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: that could harm them in any way financially. 280 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:00,750 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 281 00:16:00,970 --> 00:16:07,090 Speaker 1: Hooters, after I watched the documentary, Hooters is a scary place. 282 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:11,310 Speaker 1: When you guys talked about, I don't remember who was 283 00:16:11,370 --> 00:16:14,770 Speaker 1: referring to the team meeting, where the manager said, listen, 284 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:17,410 Speaker 1: if you could make a little extra money giving him 285 00:16:17,550 --> 00:16:18,850 Speaker 1: a BJ, I don't know. 286 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:21,620 Speaker 2: Exactly what, my jaw dropped open. 287 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:24,970 Speaker 1: It's okay with us if you know, you want to 288 00:16:24,990 --> 00:16:28,650 Speaker 1: make a little extra on the side. I can't, it 289 00:16:28,690 --> 00:16:31,050 Speaker 1: was hard for me to fathom that that was a 290 00:16:31,390 --> 00:16:35,890 Speaker 1: team meeting and what really was going on there. 291 00:16:36,390 --> 00:16:36,910 Speaker 2: I don't know. 292 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:39,850 Speaker 1: Do you have any idea since all of this? I 293 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:42,110 Speaker 1: know that Hooters is not, I haven't, I never heard 294 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:44,570 Speaker 1: them talk about this. And truly, I never even knew 295 00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:48,510 Speaker 1: that all of these women, these Hooters employees had been. 296 00:16:48,370 --> 00:16:50,490 Speaker 2: Murdered until I watched. 297 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:54,290 Speaker 1: And I know they have tried to rebrand Do you 298 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:57,770 Speaker 1: think now, what kind of contracts are these women signing? 299 00:16:57,950 --> 00:17:00,510 Speaker 2: Is it different? Is it, I would think now after this, 300 00:17:00,590 --> 00:17:02,070 Speaker 2: it's going to be, but it hasn't been. 301 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so too. And we were able 302 00:17:06,210 --> 00:17:11,220 Speaker 3: to get a fairly recent copy of the Hooters handbook. 303 00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:14,820 Speaker 3: I believe it was from 2020, but don't quote me 304 00:17:14,859 --> 00:17:17,980 Speaker 3: on that. And it was very, very similar to the 305 00:17:18,020 --> 00:17:21,220 Speaker 3: handbook that we see from the 2000s. Now, you know, 306 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: post re-hooterization as Hooters is calling it. Re-hooterization, right. 307 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,780 Speaker 2: That's what it's called. Yeah. 308 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: And so it's possible that they have new paperwork. We 309 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:32,379 Speaker 3: were not able to get our hands on a present copy. 310 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,629 Speaker 3: And in fact, you know, sort of tying to the 311 00:17:34,670 --> 00:17:39,630 Speaker 3: last question, we were going to interview somebody who currently 312 00:17:39,690 --> 00:17:42,530 Speaker 3: works at Hooters who has a very large social media 313 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:45,290 Speaker 3: following and posts about Hooters quite a bit. And she 314 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: shared things with Kate Taylor, you know, via text message. 315 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: um that you know seemed to align with some of 316 00:17:55,260 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: the themes that we touched on in in the doc 317 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,980 Speaker 3: um and then she decided to she backed out of 318 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:05,660 Speaker 3: the interview um the day before um because she had 319 00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: spoken to store managers and you know i don't want 320 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 3: to i don't want to imply that there's something you 321 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:16,220 Speaker 3: know incredibly nefarious there they don't know if they can 322 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:23,750 Speaker 3: trust us as documentarians we've only So, you know, not 323 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:27,810 Speaker 3: harboring an ill will there. But, you know, we were very, 324 00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:30,810 Speaker 3: very curious to see, you know, are they signing the 325 00:18:30,830 --> 00:18:35,830 Speaker 3: same acknowledgments? You know, are there more, you know, heavily 326 00:18:35,869 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: enforced policies about after shifts, you know, walking to your car? 327 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:44,859 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, are there those little things that, 328 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,060 Speaker 3: you know, you sort of expect to corporations or institutions 329 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: in this day and age, you know, to, to, yeah. 330 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,980 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought about, it was also powerful to me. 331 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,460 Speaker 1: Um, I believe it was Tanya. 332 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: Nope. Maybe it was, I don't, I don't remember. 333 00:19:01,859 --> 00:19:07,790 Speaker 1: Uh, anyway, there was a moment where one of the victims, um, 334 00:19:08,369 --> 00:19:11,830 Speaker 1: you know, these, these girls were so young and you 335 00:19:11,869 --> 00:19:15,530 Speaker 1: talked about how, uh, an email was asked for, right? 336 00:19:15,690 --> 00:19:17,369 Speaker 2: And I want to say it was. 337 00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:19,550 Speaker 3: Alyssa. Yeah. Alyssa Blanton. 338 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:20,170 Speaker 1: Yes. 339 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:20,730 Speaker 2: Alyssa. 340 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:21,109 Speaker 1: Right. 341 00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:21,670 Speaker 3: Exactly. 342 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: And who was killed by Roger Troy and how she was, 343 00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:27,969 Speaker 1: she didn't want to be rude. Right. So he's asking 344 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: for her email. She didn't want to be rude. Now 345 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:36,580 Speaker 1: that is a very young person way of thinking, you know, 346 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: I can absolutely see my own, you know, 24 year old, 347 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,070 Speaker 1: year old daughter, just wanting to be nice. I, I've 348 00:19:44,109 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: warned her many times that I don't want her to 349 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:48,709 Speaker 1: be so nice, but that's besides the point. But at 350 00:19:48,850 --> 00:19:51,689 Speaker 1: that age, at a young age like that, that Hooters 351 00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:55,100 Speaker 1: didn't have those policies set up. You are not allowed 352 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: to give out your email. There weren't maybe cell phones 353 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,460 Speaker 1: back then, but still, do not. No personal information is. 354 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:03,260 Speaker 2: To be exchanged. 355 00:20:03,460 --> 00:20:07,420 Speaker 1: To teach them that, because they were young and afraid 356 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,570 Speaker 1: of being rude. And, you know, that that really struck out, 357 00:20:12,850 --> 00:20:15,990 Speaker 1: stuck out, excuse me, to me that there was they 358 00:20:16,030 --> 00:20:20,430 Speaker 1: took no time to really have these girls understand what 359 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:21,149 Speaker 1: they were selling. 360 00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that that that was another very eye 361 00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:28,859 Speaker 3: opening thing when we started to to really start to 362 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,820 Speaker 3: talk to people involved in the cases. I guess I 363 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,740 Speaker 3: went into it expecting that these would be a bit more. 364 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,939 Speaker 3: outlier type events that happened. 365 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:42,780 Speaker 2: Right. 366 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 3: And, and as we talked to, I mean, we, we 367 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: talked to a handful of people that were working, you know, 368 00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:55,810 Speaker 3: with Alyssa Blanton to include the anonymous interview and, and Tara. Right. And, 369 00:20:56,290 --> 00:20:58,389 Speaker 3: you know, what we heard from so many of them 370 00:20:59,010 --> 00:21:01,850 Speaker 3: was that, you know, it was, it almost felt like 371 00:21:01,950 --> 00:21:04,950 Speaker 3: the opposite, right. Instead of, you know, of a strict 372 00:21:04,990 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: protocol on like, don't give out your personal information. Like, 373 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:10,130 Speaker 3: You know, you can use a fake name on your tag. 374 00:21:10,450 --> 00:21:14,510 Speaker 3: You can do this, do that. A lot of them 375 00:21:14,590 --> 00:21:19,109 Speaker 3: expressed feelings that there was sort of more of an 376 00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:22,510 Speaker 3: underlying pressure of really getting to know your customer base 377 00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: on a more personal level. 378 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: That was in the contracts, right? 379 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that said, part of your job is to, 380 00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:31,940 Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact wording, but, you know, it 381 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: wasn't just be nice. 382 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 383 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:35,300 Speaker 2: To really engage. 384 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: To really engage. 385 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: Exactly. 386 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:39,610 Speaker 3: Exactly. And I don't think that's something that, you know, 387 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:43,170 Speaker 3: Hooters would deny. I think it's part of the charm 388 00:21:43,210 --> 00:21:47,369 Speaker 3: of Hooters and what they offer as a restaurant, you know, 389 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:50,140 Speaker 3: per their own marketing is to come and have sort 390 00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: of that experience where, you know, your waitress may sit 391 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,740 Speaker 3: with you and have a conversation with you. And it's 392 00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:59,140 Speaker 3: not just a, here's your, what's your order, here's your 393 00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:02,390 Speaker 3: food type service. And so, you know, it is sort 394 00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:05,070 Speaker 3: of baked into the model a little bit. And I 395 00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: think where it then, you know, sort of crosses into 396 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: a place that became dangerous for the victims involved in 397 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: our documentary is that, you know, that can sort of 398 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:23,979 Speaker 3: be confused and confusing to somebody like Roger Troy, who 399 00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:26,060 Speaker 3: may be a perpetrator lying in wait, you know, or 400 00:22:26,530 --> 00:22:30,570 Speaker 3: who may be susceptible. And we actually, we did, we 401 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:35,770 Speaker 3: interviewed a really, it was a fascinating interview and ultimately, Um, 402 00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:39,979 Speaker 3: it didn't make the documentary because, you know, we, we have, 403 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,420 Speaker 3: we had a two hour and, and needed to really 404 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: pack a lot in. Um, but we interviewed an FBI, 405 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,310 Speaker 3: a former FBI agent, um, and forensic psychologist. And, um, 406 00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:55,990 Speaker 3: you know, she sort of, she talked about how that 407 00:22:56,109 --> 00:23:01,310 Speaker 3: type of, you know, employee customer interaction, um, over time 408 00:23:01,369 --> 00:23:05,210 Speaker 3: can really build a fantasy in the mind of somebody 409 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:08,330 Speaker 3: like Roger Troy, who really is, look, he's searching for something. 410 00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:12,690 Speaker 3: There's a void to fill, right? And so he started 411 00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:14,989 Speaker 3: to go to Hooters to fill that void. And when 412 00:23:15,010 --> 00:23:17,780 Speaker 3: Alyssa was just so kind to him and so nice 413 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: to him and attentive to him, it allowed him to 414 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,580 Speaker 3: really create this fantasy. And when that punctured is when 415 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: it all unraveled. 416 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,110 Speaker 1: There's so many moments that were so shocking, but when, 417 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,660 Speaker 1: and I don't remember the manager's name, called corporate about 418 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,730 Speaker 1: the fact that Roger was carrying a gun and was 419 00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:54,770 Speaker 1: dismissed like that. And it wasn't the first time, right? 420 00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:59,670 Speaker 1: That corporate had been called on this freak and just 421 00:23:59,770 --> 00:24:05,230 Speaker 1: so heartbreaking. And I cannot believe that there has been no, nothing, 422 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:10,610 Speaker 1: no liability. Is there any case pending? Is there anybody 423 00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: who's nothing? Do you find that, do you find that 424 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: a little. 425 00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: Shocking or no? 426 00:24:16,619 --> 00:24:19,659 Speaker 3: I was, I was shocked to hear that so many 427 00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:24,030 Speaker 3: years later, you know, 16 years later. And, you know, 428 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:27,929 Speaker 3: my first thought internally was like, Oh my gosh, I 429 00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:31,230 Speaker 3: wonder if the family knew that. And I don't believe 430 00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:37,130 Speaker 3: they did at the time. And so, you know, that, 431 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:40,580 Speaker 3: I have my own opinion on and, um, it, it 432 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,580 Speaker 3: is incredibly, it was incredibly tragic to learn that. And then, 433 00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:47,740 Speaker 3: you know, when Kate got on the phone with, um, 434 00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:51,179 Speaker 3: with that former manager and he told the whole story, 435 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: I mean, our job was sort of on the floor, 436 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's not illegal in that state to carry 437 00:24:57,619 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: a firearm into a restaurant. And I think that is 438 00:24:59,609 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 3: the position. It was sort of a binary position that 439 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:06,730 Speaker 3: was taken. Um, when a lot more context. 440 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: Um, But it wasn't just that, as we know, but 441 00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:10,980 Speaker 1: there was a lot more going on. There were a 442 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: lot of people seeing that he was creepy and calling 443 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: that in, right? 444 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 2: I don't know, right? 445 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: I believe another manager, it wasn't the first time that 446 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,379 Speaker 1: corporate was called on this guy. And I think that Kate, 447 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,030 Speaker 1: when she was talking to this anonymous manager who wanted 448 00:25:26,050 --> 00:25:28,650 Speaker 1: to be anonymous, she said to him, which was interesting, 449 00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:30,570 Speaker 1: how long did it take you? You email them, how 450 00:25:30,609 --> 00:25:32,270 Speaker 1: long did it take corporate to get back to you? 451 00:25:33,109 --> 00:25:36,609 Speaker 1: And it took seconds. So in other words, in my mind, 452 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: that means that they were already keyed into this, right? 453 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:42,180 Speaker 1: That they knew who, they had heard this guy's name 454 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:45,369 Speaker 1: before and they wanted this dismissed, right? 455 00:25:45,390 --> 00:25:47,290 Speaker 2: We don't want any trouble here kind of thing. 456 00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:53,990 Speaker 1: And that feels like they have some sort of, you know, 457 00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:57,130 Speaker 1: they played some sort of part in this. They have 458 00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:59,169 Speaker 1: to be culpable somehow, but I mean, I don't know, 459 00:25:59,210 --> 00:26:03,180 Speaker 1: I'm not a judge, but the story that you told, right, 460 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,790 Speaker 1: this documentary, I don't know what you were trying to 461 00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:08,449 Speaker 1: necessarily elicit from your viewers, but it made me really angry. 462 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:14,410 Speaker 1: And it makes me feel like these deaths have, I don't, 463 00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:17,939 Speaker 1: it's just, there's no justice here. And I mean, we 464 00:26:17,980 --> 00:26:22,780 Speaker 1: talked about, there were, who were the two that went, Prisma, 465 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: that sweet, beautiful Prisma and her sweet sister. That was 466 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,870 Speaker 1: so sad and heartbreaking. And the way she described her 467 00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:33,490 Speaker 1: house is just quiet. Now, all of that was so horrible, 468 00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:37,530 Speaker 1: but Um, so there was, I guess, you know, Gregory 469 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:41,350 Speaker 1: Hoover and Ricky Freeman, one was sentenced to death. 470 00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:43,209 Speaker 2: One was sentenced to life in prison. 471 00:26:43,290 --> 00:26:48,730 Speaker 1: Right. So there's some justice there, but there were, you know, who, 472 00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:51,730 Speaker 1: who was the victim and the murderer was, has still 473 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,690 Speaker 1: not been found. 474 00:26:52,780 --> 00:26:53,540 Speaker 2: Was that Carrie Ann? 475 00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Carrie Ann Williams. 476 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,340 Speaker 1: Found next to a dumpster shot in the head and 477 00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:59,860 Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic, still in her uniform. 478 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,899 Speaker 2: And the murderer was never found. 479 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,909 Speaker 1: I don't know. And the fact that there's, nowhere to 480 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:07,750 Speaker 1: go for justice, right? And I don't know if Hooters 481 00:27:07,910 --> 00:27:11,169 Speaker 1: had played a big role in that particular murder. And 482 00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:13,830 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that they are responsible. 483 00:27:13,270 --> 00:27:14,470 Speaker 2: For murderers, right? 484 00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:15,090 Speaker 3: No, of course not. 485 00:27:15,109 --> 00:27:15,369 Speaker 1: Yeah. 486 00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:15,630 Speaker 3: Right. 487 00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:19,430 Speaker 1: I'm really not trying to say that, but there's something there. 488 00:27:19,609 --> 00:27:22,870 Speaker 1: Obviously you guys made it very evident that there's some irresponsibility. 489 00:27:22,910 --> 00:27:24,350 Speaker 1: Let's call it that at best. 490 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:24,690 Speaker 3: Right. 491 00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:28,970 Speaker 2: And, and they had never been taken to task for. Yeah. 492 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,179 Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, we, we, for me, for many, 493 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,180 Speaker 3: you know, ethical reasons, legal reasons, creative reasons. It's like, 494 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:43,790 Speaker 3: we didn't want this to formulate a clear opinion that 495 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:48,669 Speaker 3: was pointing any fingers. But we wanted to present the 496 00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:52,129 Speaker 3: anecdotes and facts. And, you know, the fact of the 497 00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:56,020 Speaker 3: matter is with Alyssa Blanton's story, as you mentioned, I mean, 498 00:27:56,619 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: there was a compounding sense there where you really start 499 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,820 Speaker 3: to feel something and ask questions. Because, you know, on 500 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,060 Speaker 3: top of the anonymous former manager, you know, Tara then 501 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: sharing the story about how the very next day, like, 502 00:28:13,460 --> 00:28:17,180 Speaker 3: you know, according to her and many others that worked there, 503 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 3: there wasn't an emphasis on the tragedy that just took 504 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,180 Speaker 3: place of one of their former employees. And there wasn't 505 00:28:23,220 --> 00:28:25,379 Speaker 3: an offer for grief counseling. There was just kind of 506 00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:30,909 Speaker 3: a business as usual attitude and a hard emphasis on 507 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:34,030 Speaker 3: you know, make sure we don't talk to any media. 508 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:35,510 Speaker 2: Plausible deniability. Right. 509 00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:38,330 Speaker 3: Right. And so, you know, and so those are, those 510 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,050 Speaker 3: are the stories that were shared, the experiences that were 511 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:42,010 Speaker 3: shared and the facts were shared. And, you know, you 512 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:45,530 Speaker 3: can sort of draw your own conclusion and, but it does, 513 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: it sounds like you felt all the right emotions because 514 00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: we felt the same way when we were having these 515 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 3: conversations in the interview. 516 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,020 Speaker 1: Even Kevin, like watching how Prisma had to walk through 517 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: that one parking lot to get to the employee parking 518 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: lot in the dark. 519 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,370 Speaker 2: What's going on here? How, how is that? And I don't, 520 00:29:06,390 --> 00:29:06,710 Speaker 2: I'm listening. 521 00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:09,750 Speaker 1: You're in Vegas and I'm sure lots of employees walk 522 00:29:09,770 --> 00:29:10,950 Speaker 1: through parking lots. Right. 523 00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:15,410 Speaker 2: But it was Hooters, the casino. I don't know. It just, 524 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: it felt really negligent to me. 525 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,940 Speaker 3: That was, you know, cause we, we went there for 526 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,500 Speaker 3: a few days to do some sit down interviews. And 527 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:30,150 Speaker 3: I was right behind the camera walking that path right 528 00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:32,660 Speaker 3: behind that shot. And I'll just tell you, as a 529 00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:43,930 Speaker 3: 38-year-old man, not an 18-year-old, 19-year-old, woman who is young 530 00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: woman hasn't hasn't experienced life hardly yet and doesn't really 531 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: know what to look out for. You know, I was 532 00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: I felt off being there. And so I can't even imagine. 533 00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: Did you see if their employees are now being walked? 534 00:29:59,410 --> 00:30:03,610 Speaker 3: Well, that location doesn't exist anymore as it used to. 535 00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:08,780 Speaker 3: So yeah, the Matt Onion doesn't exist anymore, which is 536 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,140 Speaker 3: where Prisma worked inside of the Hooters casino. So it's 537 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,940 Speaker 3: all different now. 538 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,020 Speaker 2: Are Hooters girls being walked out to their cars? Is 539 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: there more of that? Do you know? 540 00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:24,020 Speaker 3: It sounds like it's a similar, at least from the 541 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,140 Speaker 3: conversations we've had with women that are currently working at Hooters, 542 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,030 Speaker 3: It sounds like it's a fairly similar policy where it 543 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:35,610 Speaker 3: is a policy. It is discussed in training. But from 544 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:41,070 Speaker 3: what we've heard, it's still sort of a gray area 545 00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:43,490 Speaker 3: in terms of how much it's enforced. And also, it 546 00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:46,700 Speaker 3: just really depends on the location, too, because we I'll 547 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,780 Speaker 3: just say this. We've talked to, you know, dozens of 548 00:30:50,660 --> 00:30:53,300 Speaker 3: past and present Hooters girls that work at locations that 549 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,930 Speaker 3: have nothing but amazing things to say. about management, about 550 00:30:56,950 --> 00:31:00,690 Speaker 3: their experience there, about their customer base, about feeling safe. 551 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,980 Speaker 3: And so I do think part of this is location-based too. 552 00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: But it also stems, you know, it of course is 553 00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: all under an umbrella policy. 554 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,820 Speaker 2: But how many of those girls know that there were 555 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,220 Speaker 2: five young women in 10 years? 556 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 557 00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:20,140 Speaker 2: Five young women, and they're taking these jobs. 558 00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:25,780 Speaker 1: In 10 years, five Hooters girls were brutally murdered. I mean, 559 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,460 Speaker 1: that's not been common knowledge, my friend. And I think 560 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:32,260 Speaker 1: it's really good work that you've done here. And I'm not, again, 561 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that women, young women are murdered all 562 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,060 Speaker 1: the time. They work at all different restaurants, but five 563 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: and 10 years feels like a lot. 564 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: And what you guys uncovered here is scary. 565 00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: And I think it's important information for anybody who wants 566 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: to work, you know, for Hooters to have, even if it's, 567 00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:56,410 Speaker 1: a great location and, and, you know, they've never had 568 00:31:56,490 --> 00:31:57,730 Speaker 1: anything like this happen. 569 00:31:58,110 --> 00:31:58,870 Speaker 2: There is something. 570 00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:00,990 Speaker 1: And then I, when you guys talked about how, I 571 00:32:01,010 --> 00:32:02,430 Speaker 1: don't know if this is still true, but the new 572 00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:06,190 Speaker 1: in the rebranding, the universe, the uniforms are smaller. 573 00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:07,010 Speaker 3: Is that true? 574 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: Like, I remember, I don't know who, what was the 575 00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:13,020 Speaker 2: name of that woman who held up the tops and said, 576 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:14,660 Speaker 2: and the bathing suit or the bonds are now like 577 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: bathing suit bottoms or something. 578 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So that was, there, there are numerous videos on, 579 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:22,810 Speaker 3: on Tik TOK that shared when that happened because I, 580 00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:26,090 Speaker 3: there was a bit of sort of an internal, you know, 581 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: I don't want to say uproar, but people were sharing 582 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,219 Speaker 3: when that happened. People were sharing on TikTok saying, look 583 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,180 Speaker 3: what I have to wear now. That was in, I believe, 2019. 584 00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: And so it was before the bankruptcy and re-hooterization. 585 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,940 Speaker 2: We just cannot call it a re-hooterization. I can't bear it. 586 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,190 Speaker 2: I just can't bear it. I mean, I can't like, 587 00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:47,550 Speaker 2: that's like, that's like a verb. 588 00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:48,690 Speaker 3: I can't. 589 00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:51,170 Speaker 2: The re-hooterization. 590 00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: It's sort of, perfectly Hooters, um, in a way, but 591 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: they have restored the uniforms to what they were, you know, 592 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 3: in the eighties with sort of like the beach beach shorts. Um, 593 00:33:02,790 --> 00:33:05,090 Speaker 3: I forget what they call them, but, um, you know, they're, 594 00:33:05,170 --> 00:33:08,430 Speaker 3: they're certainly, they've, they've tweaked their image a little bit. 595 00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:12,330 Speaker 3: And I think, um, you know, marketing themselves a bit differently. 596 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:15,850 Speaker 3: And I, I just hope that, uh, you know, they're 597 00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:19,469 Speaker 3: able to, to look at this and, and, um, if needed, 598 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:25,930 Speaker 3: you know, reflect and, um, potentially make some, some, uh, changes, 599 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: you know, that can make their employees feel a little 600 00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:32,500 Speaker 3: bit more, um, you know, a little bit more safe. 601 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:36,500 Speaker 1: So now there's also, um, and this is my, my 602 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:41,010 Speaker 1: favorite part of having a true crime podcast is watching 603 00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:46,630 Speaker 1: something so horrible and then watching resiliency. And I mean, 604 00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:48,970 Speaker 1: obviously I wish the horrible things obviously did not happen, 605 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: but I'm amazed at how resilient, uh, victims and family 606 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: members can be. And in this case, because the last 607 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,630 Speaker 1: pot I did had to do with stalking and that 608 00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:04,110 Speaker 1: there were new stalking laws put into place. 609 00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:05,350 Speaker 2: Was it after Prisma? 610 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:07,370 Speaker 3: After Alyssa Blanton. 611 00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:09,090 Speaker 2: After Alyssa. 612 00:34:09,110 --> 00:34:12,450 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so hard to find anything good in 613 00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:17,230 Speaker 1: any of this, but there's something about that that I 614 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:19,660 Speaker 1: think is great. Have you seen, have there been other 615 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,989 Speaker 1: tightening of laws. It was specific to the state, right? 616 00:34:24,969 --> 00:34:28,450 Speaker 3: In Florida, yeah. So we actually spoke with the senator 617 00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:33,090 Speaker 3: who drafted that bill and helped it pass into law, 618 00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:38,270 Speaker 3: Senator Simmons. And yeah, you know, he shared with us 619 00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:42,810 Speaker 3: that since that was passed, they estimate that like you know, 620 00:34:42,930 --> 00:34:46,870 Speaker 3: a thousand women have, um, have avoided, you know, violent 621 00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:49,910 Speaker 3: conflict perpetrator per year. Wow. 622 00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:07,109 Speaker 1: With these new laws, a woman can within 24 hours 623 00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:10,350 Speaker 1: after there's a complaint, there is a restraining order in place. 624 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:11,710 Speaker 2: Is that, am I saying, is that right? 625 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,580 Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's a, it's a different way of handling 626 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 3: and processing injunction, injunction or restraining order applications. So unfortunately 627 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,820 Speaker 3: when Alyssa, you know, was, was filling out our application, 628 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:27,450 Speaker 3: not only at that point in time, which you not 629 00:35:27,489 --> 00:35:30,609 Speaker 3: really have had help and direction on how to fill 630 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:33,109 Speaker 3: it out and how to check the boxes. Um, but 631 00:35:33,130 --> 00:35:37,629 Speaker 3: it would have taken longer and ultimately resulted, um, you know, 632 00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:41,290 Speaker 3: in having to appear and all these things. So what 633 00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:45,690 Speaker 3: they passed made it so that a temporary restraining order, 634 00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: like during review, can be more easily and immediately attained. 635 00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 3: So that way you have it in place while they're 636 00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: reviewing and they may say, okay, this isn't actually needed 637 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,420 Speaker 3: and let's drop this restraining order. Or if it is 638 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:03,110 Speaker 3: a dangerous situation, then they uphold it. And so kind 639 00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:09,529 Speaker 3: of Shockingly, that wasn't really the process back when Alyssa 640 00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:13,430 Speaker 3: was going through it. And so, you know, the anonymous 641 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,110 Speaker 3: interview subject that we talked to, she had her own 642 00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:18,370 Speaker 3: personal experience with it. And because of those new laws, 643 00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:21,610 Speaker 3: you know, and was immediately able to get a temporary 644 00:36:21,830 --> 00:36:22,469 Speaker 3: restraining order. 645 00:36:22,489 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's, you know, that's what we hope for 646 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: when terrible things happen. You know, somehow good can come 647 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:31,819 Speaker 1: out of it. How are these families doing? 648 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 649 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: I know I feel like Prisma's sister was in terms 650 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,620 Speaker 1: of family members, the one that we got to know 651 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: the most, um, how did, how did the people that 652 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,339 Speaker 1: you spoke to and how they feel about the documentary, um, 653 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: are they nervous, you know, for it to come out and, 654 00:36:47,219 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: and have they watched it? 655 00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 2: How are they reacting? 656 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:51,779 Speaker 1: Yeah. 657 00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:57,390 Speaker 3: Um, Denise, so nobody's seen the entirety of, of the documentary, um, 658 00:36:57,510 --> 00:37:00,650 Speaker 3: Prisma sister, Denise, you know, I think, you know, I 659 00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 3: think she's, She's a bit nervous, but the only reason 660 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: she agreed to participate because she had, she had, you know, 661 00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:09,859 Speaker 3: denied many other documentaries before this. 662 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 2: Really? 663 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: She did. 664 00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: Wait, have there been other documentaries that wanted to focus 665 00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:13,859 Speaker 2: on this? 666 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 3: No, no, no other documentaries have focused on this story, 667 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,180 Speaker 3: but they have tried. So people have reached out to, 668 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 3: and I think it's Prisma specifically, other true crime shows, 669 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,460 Speaker 3: you know, they have reached out to. 670 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: But not about Hooters, just about Prisma. 671 00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 672 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 3: Exactly. 673 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,380 Speaker 1: Exactly. 674 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 3: And she's turned down many. And, um, I think, you know, 675 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,570 Speaker 3: after a lot of communication with her and really explaining 676 00:37:39,610 --> 00:37:42,709 Speaker 3: our perspective, I think she, you know, really grew to 677 00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:47,250 Speaker 3: trust us with Prisma's story and trust us to find 678 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:50,569 Speaker 3: the balance between, you know, making an impact and really 679 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:53,450 Speaker 3: showing the viewers, um, you know, the gravity of the 680 00:37:53,489 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 3: situation that her and her family went through without being gratuitous. And, um, 681 00:37:58,790 --> 00:38:01,250 Speaker 3: So I'm sure she's a bit nervous for it to 682 00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:06,250 Speaker 3: come out. I'm curious if she will watch it. But 683 00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:09,910 Speaker 3: either way, she wanted to tell the story because she 684 00:38:09,989 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: does want Prisma's story to be used in some way 685 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,740 Speaker 3: to make a positive change. And so I really commend 686 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 3: her for that because it was not easy for her. 687 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,660 Speaker 3: It's not easy for anybody. 688 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: It's not easy to, I would think, get the trust 689 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,700 Speaker 1: of family members of victims like these. I know that 690 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,380 Speaker 1: also just from you know, doing, watching documentaries and talking 691 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,140 Speaker 1: to people like you, that it's hard to earn that trust, right? 692 00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: You seem to have done that really beautifully because she 693 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,490 Speaker 1: was so open and it's, you know, these are real people. 694 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:49,410 Speaker 1: I think with crime documentary, it's, there's, people are so 695 00:38:49,469 --> 00:38:56,700 Speaker 1: obsessed now, right? And they consume it as entertainment. And listen, 696 00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people, I consume it and it 697 00:38:58,820 --> 00:39:02,259 Speaker 1: can be fascinating. And then the part where these are 698 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: real people, right? And this actually happened. This is not 699 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,580 Speaker 1: a film. 700 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 2: This is not a movie. This happened. 701 00:39:09,739 --> 00:39:15,770 Speaker 1: And so to see that relationship and she talked about 702 00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:19,010 Speaker 1: her family and the cousins and the aunts and uncles 703 00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:22,770 Speaker 1: and how they gathered together and had the rosary and 704 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,790 Speaker 1: All of that, when I watch documentary, then I feel 705 00:39:26,830 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: like I, a little bit, like new Prisma. 706 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: A little bit, you know, and like you get that. 707 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:35,259 Speaker 1: So along with all of this that you did, you know, 708 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: showing us what's going on and what has gone on 709 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: within Hooters. I, I appreciate when I feel like I 710 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: can actually learn a little bit about the victim. 711 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 2: Right. 712 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,140 Speaker 1: And I don't know, obviously I'm never going to feel what, 713 00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: Prisma's sister feels or anything close to that, but at 714 00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: least be thinking of Prisma in that way, you know, and, 715 00:39:55,489 --> 00:39:57,370 Speaker 1: and hearing about a little bit about who she was. 716 00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:58,569 Speaker 2: Totally. 717 00:39:59,090 --> 00:40:02,630 Speaker 3: I think it's, I think it's so important because like 718 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:06,649 Speaker 3: you said, true crime is a massive genre now, and 719 00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 3: there are so many, you know, true crime fans. Um, 720 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 3: it is, it has really crossed over into the world 721 00:40:14,739 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 3: of pure entertainment in so many viewers eyes. And, um, 722 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 3: And therefore you don't always get sort of a personal connection, 723 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,180 Speaker 3: but also viewers sometimes forget that these victims are humans, 724 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 3: just like their brothers and sisters and moms and dads 725 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:33,190 Speaker 3: and neighbors. And so I think, you know, pulling that personality, 726 00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:35,509 Speaker 3: that humanity out to me as a filmmaker is like 727 00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:38,830 Speaker 3: the single most important thing. And I wish we could 728 00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:42,930 Speaker 3: have done that with Alyssa in the same way that 729 00:40:42,969 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 3: we were able to with Prisma. you know, obviously we 730 00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:51,190 Speaker 3: had a couple of participants really speak to who Alyssa was. Um, 731 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:53,190 Speaker 3: and we had plenty of off conversations where we, where 732 00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:57,710 Speaker 3: we really got to know her better. Um, but ultimately, 733 00:40:57,730 --> 00:41:01,529 Speaker 3: you know, I could never fault a family or a 734 00:41:01,630 --> 00:41:05,350 Speaker 3: friend from not wanting to participate. It's so hard. 735 00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:06,810 Speaker 2: But you did do a good job of that in 736 00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:07,370 Speaker 2: terms of Alyssa. 737 00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, her coworkers spoke very highly of her and 738 00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:14,459 Speaker 1: how kind she was and, you know, even the pictures that, 739 00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: that you showed. It was, I don't know, it's nice 740 00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: for me as someone who does consume a lot of this. 741 00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:23,340 Speaker 1: I like to at least be able to look at 742 00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: the person and look at their eyes and know a 743 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: little bit about them. And they're not just some, you know, 744 00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:33,149 Speaker 1: floating character in some story, right? 745 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:33,469 Speaker 3: Yeah. 746 00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:35,969 Speaker 1: So I thought you guys did a great job of that. 747 00:41:36,030 --> 00:41:38,190 Speaker 1: And I know, yeah, it is hard. I've learned to 748 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:40,870 Speaker 1: get family members to even want to talk about it, right? 749 00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: People don't want to open that up. That cannot be easy, right? 750 00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:44,980 Speaker 3: No. 751 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,660 Speaker 2: So hard for you. 752 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: So you've been doing this for a while. What are you, 753 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,779 Speaker 1: are you working on something now? Are you just sort 754 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: of immersed in, you know, in Hooters and the stock? 755 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:58,670 Speaker 3: Yeah, we, we finished this up a little bit ago 756 00:41:58,790 --> 00:42:03,850 Speaker 3: and it'll be airing on actually just in a couple 757 00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:09,549 Speaker 3: of weeks here on September 7th. And so I am 758 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 3: sort of exploring what project will be next for me. 759 00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 2: How many years did you work on this? 760 00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:20,950 Speaker 3: I began working on this last fall. So yeah, it's 761 00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:27,670 Speaker 3: about eight months or so it took. And yeah, it 762 00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:31,310 Speaker 3: was a very, it was an intense project and a 763 00:42:31,330 --> 00:42:36,270 Speaker 3: surprising project. And each one of these sort of, you know, 764 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 3: you really get immersed in it for a while. 765 00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:42,300 Speaker 2: But this is your genre, you do strictly true crime? 766 00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:47,910 Speaker 3: Not strictly true crime. I've kind of, It's true crime investigative. 767 00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:52,029 Speaker 3: You know, I've done some other series. Actually, the last 768 00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:57,630 Speaker 3: series I did for Oxygen, which is on Peacock, it's 769 00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:59,790 Speaker 3: called Death Row Confidential. And that was really interesting. It 770 00:42:59,850 --> 00:43:05,169 Speaker 3: wasn't as much of a documentary special sort of, you know, 771 00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:10,030 Speaker 3: close ended like this one is. It was a very 772 00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:15,339 Speaker 3: active verite investigation series. um, of a private detective, you know, 773 00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 3: who had inside information about a serial killer in, uh, in, um, 774 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 3: a penitentiary in California. And for 10 years he wrote 775 00:43:23,219 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 3: down notes about, and it was such a wild experience 776 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 3: because we were inside police departments. We were in touch 777 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:34,060 Speaker 3: with the FBI. I mean, it became a real active investigation, 778 00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 3: you know, so each project is really different. Yeah. 779 00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: But that's why I'm asking you that because I, I 780 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: guess I want to know, so now that you've well, 781 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,259 Speaker 1: I guess maybe you're just starting, right? Because now is 782 00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: time to answer all the questions and do all the PR, 783 00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:49,890 Speaker 1: but sort of leaving a project like this, what made it, 784 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: what makes it stand out? I mean, for me, after 785 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:58,390 Speaker 1: watching it, it is the irresponsibility of Hooters. It is 786 00:43:58,430 --> 00:44:01,049 Speaker 1: the lack of accountability. That's how I'm walking away from 787 00:44:01,070 --> 00:44:05,710 Speaker 1: this in shock. And in really, I'm serious. I kind 788 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,689 Speaker 1: of disbelieve. I can't believe that I didn't know about 789 00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:10,290 Speaker 1: any of this. you're walking away from this, how it's 790 00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:14,109 Speaker 1: different for you than maybe other projects that you've worked on? 791 00:44:14,830 --> 00:44:19,979 Speaker 3: I would say, I would say it's different, you know, 792 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:24,740 Speaker 3: for those reasons too, where you're not, you're not telling 793 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 3: a story about a victim or, you know, an event 794 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,900 Speaker 3: or an investigation alone. And there is a bit more of, 795 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 3: a deeper and more universal layer to it and foundation 796 00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:45,740 Speaker 3: to it. And that really made it stand out. Um, 797 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,770 Speaker 3: and I do think that is probably the thing that 798 00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:52,950 Speaker 3: most people are going to walk away from this with, um, 799 00:44:53,489 --> 00:44:56,430 Speaker 3: you know, and I just hope that again, just hope 800 00:44:56,469 --> 00:44:59,930 Speaker 3: that it's sort of can act as a mirror for, for, 801 00:45:00,190 --> 00:45:04,410 Speaker 3: for everybody. Um, you know, and, and, and not, not 802 00:45:04,469 --> 00:45:08,930 Speaker 3: just Hooters, not just culture, but also, um, any individual watching, um, 803 00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:14,490 Speaker 3: who may have a daughter, um, who may have a sister, 804 00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:17,950 Speaker 3: a friend to check in with them because Alyssa Blanton 805 00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:21,930 Speaker 3: didn't share any of that that was happening with anybody. And, 806 00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 3: you know, and she sort of was silently enduring this, um, 807 00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:27,860 Speaker 3: along with her husband and her best friend at the 808 00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 3: time that was it. And, you know, and I think 809 00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 3: a lot of it, she kept private, um, and, and ultimately, um, 810 00:45:36,330 --> 00:45:39,090 Speaker 3: you know, that was, that was a part of the 811 00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 3: tragedy of it. And so I just hope people walk 812 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,780 Speaker 3: away from this and think, you know, are, is my daughter, 813 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,460 Speaker 3: my friend, um, you know, my sister, are they feeling safe? 814 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:52,410 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 815 00:45:52,510 --> 00:45:54,910 Speaker 2: I hope so too, but I think you did a 816 00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:55,470 Speaker 2: great job. 817 00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:58,169 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Congratulations. Yeah. 818 00:45:58,330 --> 00:46:00,130 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. I really appreciate you talking to us. 819 00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:02,770 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on and, uh, 820 00:46:02,810 --> 00:46:03,870 Speaker 3: great to meet you. Okay. 821 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:04,890 Speaker 2: Good luck. Thank you too. 822 00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:04,980 Speaker 3: Bye.