Speaker 1: Today, we are going back to New York season six.
Speaker 1: This is one of the seasons after my departure. Before
Speaker 1: my return, Aviva Dresher returns to the group for the
Speaker 1: first time in weeks. Insults and body parts fly in
Speaker 1: an explosive season ending confrontation. No stranger to New York
Speaker 1: City and drama. We're bringing in supermodel Paulina porre Skova
Speaker 1: to give her unfiltered take on this iconic episode. This
Speaker 1: is the Real Housewives of New York Season six, episode twenty,
Speaker 1: the last leg. I appreciate you doing this and doing
Speaker 1: the homework, because that's the pain in the ass. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate you watching a show. You forget that. I
Speaker 1: watched the show, and I watched, like I watched all
Speaker 1: the way up till maybe season eleven or twelve, so
Speaker 1: it's not like a month familiar. What's what was going
Speaker 1: on there? I'm like, oh, yes, I remember the leg
Speaker 1: on the table and yeah, okay, well you remember. But
Speaker 1: to me going back and watching these shows, it's a
Speaker 1: little dated. People definitely look different. We all have aged
Speaker 1: and fashion has aged, and um, I do see it differently,
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I see people differently. I find
Speaker 1: characters sympathetic that I didn't when I was there because
Speaker 1: when I yes, well i'll tell you why. Because so
Speaker 1: this era of this show, um, it's when Aviva's pulls
Speaker 1: her leg out. This particular era, this is when I
Speaker 1: left for the second time. I left, and then you
Speaker 1: were on season seven. Yeah, you're better than I. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is when I left for the first time,
Speaker 1: and there were three seasons, and this is when they
Speaker 1: brought in Kristen, Carol and Heather. And not that I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's because of those three girls or the combination
Speaker 1: or me being gone or whatever, but the ratings had
Speaker 1: gone from like three point one million viewers down to
Speaker 1: one point six during this era. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I back then, when watching I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: that good, Like I didn't think it was as good
Speaker 1: as it had been before. But watching it last night,
Speaker 1: I found it entirely entertaining. And I didn't watch all
Speaker 1: the shows when I was gone, not because I was
Speaker 1: bitter or anything. I left, it's because I never really
Speaker 1: watched when I was on. I only watched my episode
Speaker 1: to see if I got in trouble or not, and
Speaker 1: then that was it. So people when I was on
Speaker 1: the show as a business person and wanting it to
Speaker 1: be successful, that I would not think we're great housewives.
Speaker 1: I still think are great people. So like back when Alex,
Speaker 1: you know, back in my Alex genre on the Scary
Speaker 1: Island Trip, I now watched that and found her very
Speaker 1: sympathetic and sensible and reasonable, but I didn't think she
Speaker 1: was a great housewife because she wasn't polarizing or didn't
Speaker 1: speak up enough. And I found that about Kristen in
Speaker 1: this episode, and she was speaking up in this episode.
Speaker 1: I found her to be pretty and sweet and nice
Speaker 1: and relatable. Um, But when I was there, I remember
Speaker 1: not thinking that she was the best housewife because you're
Speaker 1: trying to like move traffic and move story, and not
Speaker 1: everyone is a good housewife, but they might be a
Speaker 1: good person. So I find that I think, I think
Speaker 1: the calmer and sort of more settled of the person
Speaker 1: you are, the less interesting you become. Because yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this shows these shows thrive on the tension, right,
Speaker 1: So tension has to be built some way, somebody's got
Speaker 1: to be putting it out. And and also energy, there's
Speaker 1: a certain energy, like I have to say, I mean,
Speaker 1: you You're like a little fire spark every time you're
Speaker 1: on screen. There's I mean, you know obviously, because you've
Speaker 1: done very well for yourself since um, and it's your energy,
Speaker 1: it's your enthusiasm, it's your curiosity, and it's just and
Speaker 1: you don't have to be mean to get tension started.
Speaker 1: You're just like this little barl of fire that keeps
Speaker 1: setting things a flame. Exactly. That's exactly what it's like.
Speaker 1: I little fires everywhere and moving traffic and there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on, and producers on the show have said,
Speaker 1: I think like a producer. So I'm on the show
Speaker 1: dealing with what's happening, but in my mind, I'm I'm not.
Speaker 1: There's never been any acting or anything, but I'm aware
Speaker 1: that we're not there to just talk about our cuticles
Speaker 1: like we're there to move story. And UM, it wasn't
Speaker 1: very good for me because I'm good for it, and
Speaker 1: I found that in different career choices producing events I
Speaker 1: was amazing at because I never missed a goddamn detail
Speaker 1: and I was obsessive, But it wasn't that good for me.
Speaker 1: So I'm good for reality TV because I can light
Speaker 1: it up, move it around, close the tabs and do it.
Speaker 1: But it might not be good for me, but for
Speaker 1: someone like a Jacqueline the Rita on Jersey or Kristen,
Speaker 1: it could be good for them because it could light
Speaker 1: them up a little. They may, you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like they feel or can be mundane, but they they
Speaker 1: light it up. So I think it's interesting. And you
Speaker 1: must have found in different parts of your career and
Speaker 1: different jobs that some things are good for you or
Speaker 1: take you out of your comfort zone and some maybe
Speaker 1: maybe the car is moving too fast. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: very profound question that I wasn't ready for. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're. I'm sure you're right. But I think in
Speaker 1: my career, you know, given that I had, I have
Speaker 1: been doing it since I was fifteen. It's it's, you know,
Speaker 1: I always just kind of it, like the whole thing
Speaker 1: becomes a muscle memory to me when it comes to modeling,
Speaker 1: and then when it comes to you know, more like
Speaker 1: public speaking or you know, my my my books, my
Speaker 1: writing and stuff that's outside my zone of comfort. Um,
Speaker 1: but I always found I guess I kind of rely
Speaker 1: on just being honest and being me and hope it carries,
Speaker 1: you know, and it doesn't always. I mean sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it might be a little abrasive and sometimes um
Speaker 1: and sometimes it might even be dull. But yes, but
Speaker 1: you being a model, I'm picturing you the way you're
Speaker 1: describing it. You can walk in there. You know exactly
Speaker 1: what to do, how to do it, give them what
Speaker 1: they want, the eyes, the look, the walk, the thing right,
Speaker 1: whatever it is if you have exactly but it's not
Speaker 1: always good, that's exactly me. But with you, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that while you're great at it, modeling may sometimes feel
Speaker 1: toxic or not not good for you, or you don't
Speaker 1: feel good about yourself all the time in that environment.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're absolutely right about that. In fact, I
Speaker 1: never feel worse about myself than after I spent day modeling.
Speaker 1: I never feel so old, I never feel so ugly,
Speaker 1: I never feel so inadequate as after a day of modeling.
Speaker 1: And that's even if it's going really well and the
Speaker 1: pictures look good interesting, So that's the point. That's exactly
Speaker 1: the point. So I could walk in right now, and
Speaker 1: I do sometimes miss it, because I'm sure you miss
Speaker 1: looking amazing, the closer there, the attention that you walk
Speaker 1: in like or whatever whatever it is the picture looks great,
Speaker 1: you're talking to people. Whatever the thing is, I you know,
Speaker 1: would like to walk right now, not now, but tonight,
Speaker 1: get dressed up for no reason because I never get
Speaker 1: dressed up, but like, put on makeup, get dressed up
Speaker 1: to go to some event, walk in, set the place
Speaker 1: on fire, make people laugh, then do an interview about
Speaker 1: it and walk out like I'm great at that. But
Speaker 1: you're right. All the things that comes within the press
Speaker 1: and the scrutiny and the things that come with make
Speaker 1: you feel gross sometimes. So that's very who would have
Speaker 1: thought when Elizabeth Moss was on here, we found parallels
Speaker 1: between reality TV and acting, and right now I'm finding
Speaker 1: a parallel between me and reality TV and you and modeling.
Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff makes me happy. Well done,
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Speaker 1: this episode. So, uh we start off and I have
Speaker 1: this is a little stupid notepad from when I was
Speaker 1: watching last night because my daughter was next to me.
Speaker 1: It was dark and I was scribbling. And then I
Speaker 1: have like a formal paper that they did for me.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure I can remember most things that happened
Speaker 1: remind me if I don't, so, um, we start off
Speaker 1: and we have Kristen and Josh. I know Josh from
Speaker 1: off the show, and I met Kristen on the show
Speaker 1: and my friend who was best friends with Josh, and
Speaker 1: you told me that when Kristine was on the show,
Speaker 1: she was getting hair and makeup every day and really
Speaker 1: really lit about the outfits, and like that became the
Speaker 1: era when people started caring about what they looked like more.
Speaker 1: If you look before this era, it was really us
Speaker 1: just sitting in sweaters like I am right now? Are
Speaker 1: you like you are right now, just being on a
Speaker 1: reality show because it was reality right, And did you
Speaker 1: do your own makeup and did your own makeup? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean they weren't paying for you to do your makeup,
Speaker 1: maybe for interviews. I don't know when that started, but
Speaker 1: in the beginning, they weren't even paying for interviews. And
Speaker 1: you would choose yourself if you would get your makeup
Speaker 1: done for a big event. But you know, this is
Speaker 1: the era when really it was Kristen, Heather, Carol. They
Speaker 1: would be doing wardrobe changes and they would be getting
Speaker 1: their makeup done in the Berkshires, and it seemed annoying
Speaker 1: because having been there in the beginning, it felt like
Speaker 1: now we're putting on a show, and I was just
Speaker 1: not an HD yet. It was like I was still
Speaker 1: dial up Internet because on Beverly Hills they were wearing
Speaker 1: Logo's head to toe and having glam squads come with
Speaker 1: them everywhere. So this was this was the era when
Speaker 1: the show. The show's turned into like we're going to
Speaker 1: spend as much, if not more time thinking about what
Speaker 1: we look like than the content of what we're doing.
Speaker 1: So I found that to be very interesting. And Kristen
Speaker 1: is one of those people that really always looked perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know what I mean. I I understand
Speaker 1: that on her part because when you are a model
Speaker 1: and when you are perceived as somebody that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be attractive, it's such a you know, it's like the
Speaker 1: expectations of you are such that it's really hard to, um,
Speaker 1: just not be pretty, because it's like it's like you
Speaker 1: expect to set the room on fire. Right, she's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Good for you for telling me. And fashionable you're right,
Speaker 1: because and fashionable you're right that that's you're right. I
Speaker 1: did did someone to just talk to that part of
Speaker 1: her persona. This is what she's bringing to the table
Speaker 1: like you're bringing your fire, sparky personality, and Heather is
Speaker 1: bringing her you know, her her personality and her groundedness,
Speaker 1: and Carol is bringing you know, her literary sense and like,
Speaker 1: you know, the cool, smart New Yorker um st Christine
Speaker 1: hasn't ring the pretty that's so funny, you're right. So
Speaker 1: I never cared about if I was made up because
Speaker 1: I thought it doesn't matter, Like if I look pretty
Speaker 1: in one scene, they're gonna know that's how I look
Speaker 1: pretty if I look like shit in the other. But
Speaker 1: you're right, Carol had to bring always the ankey, the cool,
Speaker 1: the style. To her credit, Heather had to be like
Speaker 1: I'm cool and hip because I worked with Diddy and
Speaker 1: I designed clothes and I'm you know, and Kristen was
Speaker 1: bringing the pretty and the fashion. You're right. I wish
Speaker 1: someone told me that then, So you should have been
Speaker 1: on the y I found. Um So, Josh had that
Speaker 1: business e boost. I don't know if that still exists today.
Speaker 1: But this was also the era, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of after my Skinny Girl era. Um when people started
Speaker 1: really not so casually and naturally pushing products into the show.
Speaker 1: And I take responsibility I'm literally the one that started it, um,
Speaker 1: but it was going on in my life, and I
Speaker 1: found a way to make it truthful and just weave
Speaker 1: it in versus like e boast in a hat behind
Speaker 1: me and above the refrigerator and now you know, with
Speaker 1: Kyle and the agency and it's on every piece of clothing.
Speaker 1: I wonder. I know that the audience doesn't really love that,
Speaker 1: but this is also where that started. This is the
Speaker 1: era where people were jamming products in as a result
Speaker 1: of my Skinny Girl deal. So I found that interesting.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he was the best actor
Speaker 1: in doing that, Like it's forced? What do you think? Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's like, well, what just stopped me about this
Speaker 1: episode was yes, I A, I agree, I think it
Speaker 1: felt forced, But also, you know, I just couldn't get that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, you know, we're looking for a five
Speaker 1: year old with energy, you know, she has to have energy,
Speaker 1: and there is his beautiful model life going well, I
Speaker 1: have energy and I'm a model, Um, what about me?
Speaker 1: And it seemed a little bit set up by the
Speaker 1: way authentic and I think we can feel that as viewers,
Speaker 1: and it's not it's not as attractive, but it was
Speaker 1: interesting that the way, that's the way they decided to
Speaker 1: pull it in. You know, it's not that, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: looking for, you know, a woman, and it's like that
Speaker 1: he had to be with a younger versus older, you know,
Speaker 1: you know that's like my things. I was like by
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Well, it's funny that you say that,
Speaker 1: because you're right, they picked a good topic to do
Speaker 1: a scripted semi scripted scene. But what is not ever
Speaker 1: forgotten and can't be ignored is how smart this audience is.
Speaker 1: Every audience is just so savvy and smart. Now we
Speaker 1: smell the bullshit, and that might be why the ratings
Speaker 1: had gone down. That was an obviously produced scene and
Speaker 1: the problem with many cast members let the producers drive
Speaker 1: what goes on. And I remember one time I had
Speaker 1: a producer want me to put a big dress on
Speaker 1: my bed and do like the Carrie Bradshaw moment. And
Speaker 1: I always bring it up. And this producer is probably
Speaker 1: so frustrated because they've heard it so many times because
Speaker 1: it was them, But I always bring it up because
Speaker 1: they said it to me, and that type of stuff
Speaker 1: would make me angry. I'm not even kidding, like I
Speaker 1: would be angry when they'd say that, how don't we
Speaker 1: just do real like I always did real? And I
Speaker 1: think if you go back one time I didn't do real,
Speaker 1: which was peeing on the stick and bathroom. That's the
Speaker 1: only time in all reality history I fought back. They
Speaker 1: needed to get the moment that said I was pregnant.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I redid that I had done
Speaker 1: it in my real life. I have always done real.
Speaker 1: So you can see what the boost thing that the
Speaker 1: whole thing from. Oh, well, Kristen, that would be a
Speaker 1: lovely idea, but we don't normally work together her And
Speaker 1: then he's like asking about wardrobe on a fashion shoot.
Speaker 1: It was it was not well executed. Well Josh is
Speaker 1: also not his name was Josh right, yes, um, he
Speaker 1: was also not a terrific actor exactly exactly, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't carrying it off really yes, yeah, so yeah, you
Speaker 1: could kind of smell the bullet on that one. But
Speaker 1: I I still found it fascinating that that's what they
Speaker 1: decided to bicker about, like that was the thing that
Speaker 1: they that was going to be. You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a small inkling of of things to come, I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as like the whole ageism thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you know that's producers needing to find story.
Speaker 1: You're shooting for four months and they have to find story,
Speaker 1: which is why years later we never I never even
Speaker 1: knew this term, but years later people would say, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have a storyline. They're looking for a storyline, which
Speaker 1: is why there are so many fake businesses on the Housewives.
Speaker 1: It's a need for a storyline. We have not this
Speaker 1: that business was a real business, but people will start
Speaker 1: new businesses to be able to say at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season to the producers when they sit down,
Speaker 1: when the producers say, what do you have going on? Well,
Speaker 1: I thought about doing this or that, because you need
Speaker 1: to fill a lot of content. And if you don't
Speaker 1: have your kids on the show, like a Sonja, if
Speaker 1: you don't have you're not in a relationship, what are
Speaker 1: you filling it with? Like you can't just you know,
Speaker 1: do charity events every day, and you can't sit at
Speaker 1: restaurants every day. It's boring. So it's that a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff is forced story, like her trying to
Speaker 1: make an analogy between her sexuality and the photo shooting,
Speaker 1: Like now Josh is going to see her differently because
Speaker 1: of the way. I mean, it's just a reach so
Speaker 1: that those are like it and it felt like your reach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Like we the audience are smarter. We
Speaker 1: can see the inauthenticity, we can smell the bullshit and
Speaker 1: it does um but sometimes sometimes it actually kind of
Speaker 1: works for the show because you know it's bullshit and
Speaker 1: then you and then there's like you know, like you're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like who it was set up by.
Speaker 1: Well as a viewer, you mean, yes, right, well that
Speaker 1: was definitely a combination of the producers and what the
Speaker 1: talent had going on and wanted to push the product.
Speaker 1: And you make deals. You'll be like, Okay, I'll talk
Speaker 1: about my sexuality with you guys, because they'll be like,
Speaker 1: why don't we talk about your problems in your marriage?
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to do that, and you'll be like, all right,
Speaker 1: well then we're gonna have to put my e boost in.
Speaker 1: Like there are these little micro deals that happened that
Speaker 1: are weird, not not formal. They're just like discussions like
Speaker 1: to get you to go somewhere. Okay, well then we're
Speaker 1: gonna go to my friends restaurant. Or things like that.
Speaker 1: You know. But what I would have done is if
Speaker 1: I were a cast member and I were somehow around that,
Speaker 1: I would have said, that felt a little set up,
Speaker 1: but make it like the people had set up, not
Speaker 1: you're not gonna bring in break the fourth wall and
Speaker 1: bringing the producers. But also in modern day they do
Speaker 1: break the fourth wall and bringing producers, so there are
Speaker 1: a lot more there's a lot more license now that
Speaker 1: you need to take because everything's been done. So UM,
Speaker 1: I did think it was courageous and when the show
Speaker 1: can be positive, when you can have a moment of
Speaker 1: talking about Heather's son and going through that type of
Speaker 1: issue and Carol saying you go to many doctors and
Speaker 1: you end up going with who you trust, I thought
Speaker 1: that that was like a valuable, worthwhile small story on
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, that was also kind of a kernel
Speaker 1: of real vulnerability. And I think, you know, obviously like
Speaker 1: I attached myself to those moments. I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: the Housewives, UM and I really just kind of watched
Speaker 1: The New York Housewives because it's the you know, one
Speaker 1: that I relate to. Um, But to me, it really
Speaker 1: is kind of a show about female emotionality, female friendships
Speaker 1: because this is what we do, This is who we are,
Speaker 1: Like we are women, We care deeply about our friends,
Speaker 1: our friendships, and it's sort of seeing it in this
Speaker 1: like little accelerated microcosm of you know, tensions and um,
Speaker 1: all the superimposed stuff. But it makes you understand how
Speaker 1: we react. It's like, I feel like I benefited so
Speaker 1: much from watching The Housewives in like knowing what how
Speaker 1: to act as a friend and what was cool what
Speaker 1: was less cool because I could see the last camera. No,
Speaker 1: that's true, and as a person on it, you definitely
Speaker 1: have learned a lot about yourself and what you're perceived
Speaker 1: as and things that you've done, Like someone like Ramona
Speaker 1: has probably learned a lot about what to and not
Speaker 1: to do UM. And yes, I have said that the
Speaker 1: show can be toxic and sometimes it doesn't always represent
Speaker 1: um highlighting the best of women, and it kind of
Speaker 1: thrives on women fighting. But to your point, even if
Speaker 1: you're not friends with these women, and a lot of
Speaker 1: these women aren't really friends, they're only friends while they're there,
Speaker 1: that does occur and work. You were more friendly with
Speaker 1: certain models, I'm sure when you were in that world.
Speaker 1: Because you're doing the same thing. You're having the same conversations,
Speaker 1: you're having the same problems, and you're bossiping about the
Speaker 1: same stuff. So like, and also you have new friends
Speaker 1: you've made being a mom that then you're not friends
Speaker 1: with later. Like women have moments for you in time,
Speaker 1: you know, drop off, drop off, and pick up sports moms,
Speaker 1: and then you don't speak to them or your husband's friends.
Speaker 1: So I guess now, in retrospect, what's funny is people
Speaker 1: thought I was going to come on here and just
Speaker 1: trash The Housewives. I actually, in retrospect watching it, have
Speaker 1: found more positives than I have negatives, you know, in people,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't so in the soup, right, And I
Speaker 1: have to say, I mean, I know, and I know,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's kind of seen as a you know, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems it's trashy, but I have benefited immensely from
Speaker 1: watching The Housewives. And Cohen is going to send you
Speaker 1: an edible arrangement immediately, I'm going to hold that's puld
Speaker 1: that quote. Guys, pull that quote and we're sending it
Speaker 1: to Andy on a plaque. But well, you know, and
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like in writing, right, So I
Speaker 1: think of myself, primarily as a writer. Now, Um, and
Speaker 1: some of the biggest and best lessons I've learned in
Speaker 1: writing was to read other people's poor writing. Because when
Speaker 1: you read great writing, great books, which I do all
Speaker 1: the time, it's just sort of, you know, hard for
Speaker 1: the course. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: another great book. This is another great book, and you
Speaker 1: can get inspired or you can get a little deflated
Speaker 1: because you think I'll never be this great. But when
Speaker 1: you read a bad writer and you can spot why
Speaker 1: it's bad. This word shouldn't be used here, why like
Speaker 1: the phrase doesn't work this way. This is where you go.
Speaker 1: I have to remember this, and it's actually incredibly beneficial
Speaker 1: for my own writing. And so watching the Housewives was
Speaker 1: seeing people that weren't behaving well, and when they weren't
Speaker 1: behaving will That's where I learned my biggest lessons because
Speaker 1: and sometimes I could see myself in it, I go, oh,
Speaker 1: done that, I've played the victim or I wanted attention. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's a self reflection. That's amazing. Um, well, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be interesting for you. So the Aviva story,
Speaker 1: I cast Aviva, I put her, I'm the one who yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I apologize, and I didn't know her. I
Speaker 1: don't know. She was kind of amazing in that way
Speaker 1: that I feel like I learned so much from her.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she right. I never didn't really
Speaker 1: watch that much, but in meeting her personally and then
Speaker 1: her being cast professionally, I'm gonna tell you exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Whenever someone asks me to do something,
Speaker 1: I go over the top. And I don't need to
Speaker 1: go that far in the project. So if you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need a good restaurant in Veil, I'll like, get
Speaker 1: so down that rabbit hole. I'll be sending you like
Speaker 1: Korean barbecue and Ethie Open like okay, stat like it's
Speaker 1: too I just need a couple of restaurants. But I
Speaker 1: don't like to do anything halfway. So when they used
Speaker 1: to ask us about casting, whether I was on or
Speaker 1: off the show, I would go down a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: and think about who would be good. And it got
Speaker 1: me into all kinds of problems. And I'll explain others later,
Speaker 1: but I've cast Aviva and Leah and partially Lisa Arenna
Speaker 1: because Andy Cohen was not for Lisa Arena at all,
Speaker 1: and I was the one who kept telling him that
Speaker 1: he would actually like her and that she would be excellent.
Speaker 1: So I do take partial to full credit for Lisa
Speaker 1: Arenna and in telling Lisa Arena to actually do the show,
Speaker 1: because she called me to ask me to do that,
Speaker 1: and whether she should do the Apprentice. So I'm taking
Speaker 1: some credit for that. And I will also take credit
Speaker 1: for the failures, which is Aviva and I cast Leah.
Speaker 1: So Aviva, I knew a friend who knew her, and
Speaker 1: they were going down the path of casting people and
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen hadn't seen her, so she hadn't made it
Speaker 1: to the top. They were going to cast without Aviva,
Speaker 1: and I said, what the hell, why didn't you cast Aviva?
Speaker 1: He said who? I said, she was married to Harry Dubin,
Speaker 1: who has had sex with more than three housewives. So
Speaker 1: they put her at the top of the pile and
Speaker 1: then they cast her. And between that process of the
Speaker 1: video going in and it actually happening, I saw Viva
Speaker 1: and the Hampton's at a bagel store and she's the
Speaker 1: one who said, oh, hi, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: throwing my name in. Big mistake. Because then like now
Speaker 1: you get someone gets you in a verbal headlock. So
Speaker 1: I remember I'm standing in front of this bagel store
Speaker 1: in the Hampton's and I was like on the lawn
Speaker 1: and she just was like, well, I want to do
Speaker 1: because of this, and I don't because of that, and
Speaker 1: I think I'd be great because of this, and I
Speaker 1: want you to say this, and like I people think
Speaker 1: I care. Like recently Jenna Lilliaans wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: me about this, what what do I suggest for her?
Speaker 1: Cathy Hilton wanted to talk to me about it before
Speaker 1: she went on this other model or somebody who's doing
Speaker 1: the new one. Well, I don't want I don't really
Speaker 1: want to talk about Like I don't really have anything
Speaker 1: to say. There's not I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: sort of post your child for this, and not in
Speaker 1: a rude way, not that I don't want to pay
Speaker 1: for it and help people. I don't have anything. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say that many positive things, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't say that many positive things to Kyle before she
Speaker 1: went on because I was leaving. So I definitely don't
Speaker 1: know that many positive things to say because I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: So I cast you because I know you wanted that,
Speaker 1: and I helped you in that way, but like, I
Speaker 1: don't want It's like setting someone up with someone on
Speaker 1: a date two people you don't know them. I just
Speaker 1: set up two people. I don't know either of them.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do a mick fa and set
Speaker 1: them up. I don't want to be in a play
Speaker 1: by play about it now. I want to hear about
Speaker 1: every date, which you hate, what you like, how much
Speaker 1: money they have, don't. I don't want. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to do it. So that's what the casting is like.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of the date after
Speaker 1: I've set you guys up. So a Viva got me
Speaker 1: in this like crazy headlock and then she ended up
Speaker 1: making it. And I'm responsible and people can be mad
Speaker 1: at me too for that task. But anyway, that is
Speaker 1: how I have even made it onto the shop. I
Speaker 1: am in part grateful because I can't say that I
Speaker 1: had much fondness for Aviva, but she brought It's kind
Speaker 1: of like she you know, she brought something train television.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it was it was sharp, and it
Speaker 1: was unpleasant and and um like because because of how
Speaker 1: because of who she was and how not very nice
Speaker 1: she could be, you know, everybody else kind of got
Speaker 1: on guard and it created a lot of tension and
Speaker 1: and I just never forget. It was the season before
Speaker 1: this one with when with Aviva, when I think they
Speaker 1: went to St. Bart and she calling the bass trailer
Speaker 1: trash or something. Yeah, but she was like it was
Speaker 1: like all about her health and her phobias and she
Speaker 1: needed her husband with her, even the girl strip and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, And how come you don't
Speaker 1: have compassion for me? I'm suffering here? How them you
Speaker 1: don't have compassion? And that kind of floored me because
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, um, like this is when bad things
Speaker 1: happen in your life. If you expect, if you're kind
Speaker 1: of entitled and you expect for everybody to give you
Speaker 1: a free pass, you become a Viva. Okay, well here, yes,
Speaker 1: so it does. So it does teach you about yourself
Speaker 1: to your point. But I'm gonna explain something to you.
Speaker 1: On reality television and maybe in real life, but on
Speaker 1: reality television, love to hate is great, Joan Collins is great. Um,
Speaker 1: love to hate Ramona because she screws up all the time,
Speaker 1: but like you find her fun and crazy and they're watching.
Speaker 1: Hate to hate doesn't work, Aviva is you feel that
Speaker 1: you hate to hate her? You hate it, And and
Speaker 1: Danielle was the same. You just don't like the way
Speaker 1: you feel. You don't feel good about hating it. You
Speaker 1: just you hate to hate it. That's when you know.
Speaker 1: Love to love is good, love to hate is good.
Speaker 1: Hate to hate is not good. And a Viva is
Speaker 1: a rare breed. I mean, she really lost me. I
Speaker 1: have to say this is when I started disliking her.
Speaker 1: Was the book gate thing, oh, right with Carol Um
Speaker 1: because I'm a writer, so like I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: Carol was saying and what Aviva was saying was insane,
Speaker 1: and I posted about it on Twitter. I was I
Speaker 1: said something like about, you know, being in Carol's camp,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it doesn't take a village to write
Speaker 1: a book. I'm sorry, that's you know, it's a one
Speaker 1: person kind of a deal. And I've never gotten so
Speaker 1: much hate mail in my life. Oh really, yeah, people
Speaker 1: defending a Viva. I got so much hate mail. I
Speaker 1: was literally like stunned, and I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: gotten as much hate mail since. Well, I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: I have reviewed things that Carol has written and given
Speaker 1: my grammar and also flow uh notes like replied and
Speaker 1: then underneath written I think this should go this way,
Speaker 1: and I think that's that way. And and to me,
Speaker 1: I made this mistake with the Tipsy girl thing where
Speaker 1: I took the bait and I went in and got
Speaker 1: annoyed about it versus just ignoring it. Carol took the
Speaker 1: bait and really kind of battled it because there was
Speaker 1: something there that was really bothering her, like it was
Speaker 1: bothering her a little too much. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: I have worked with different I have written my books.
Speaker 1: When I tell you written all of the words. I
Speaker 1: have had a writer helped me organized, structure the box,
Speaker 1: the bullet points where it's going. It's like I could
Speaker 1: go in my cloth and my garage and organize everything
Speaker 1: and put it in this the piles. And in this case,
Speaker 1: I do all that myself because I'm a psycho organizer.
Speaker 1: But what if I needed somebody to help me with
Speaker 1: the containers and where it's going and how the layout
Speaker 1: is and what a table comes. So for me personally,
Speaker 1: I've done that. I have no shame in that. I
Speaker 1: don't care it doesn't mean it wasn't my book. These
Speaker 1: things didn't fly from the sky. Be very hard for
Speaker 1: someone to fully write a book for you, your perspective,
Speaker 1: your voice, a feeling, etcetera. And her book did well,
Speaker 1: so I think that doesn't really matter what if Eva
Speaker 1: was saying, she probably did have some help. It seemed
Speaker 1: like she had too much information for her not to
Speaker 1: have had some help. But I think she took the
Speaker 1: bait too like too much. I think it was a battle,
Speaker 1: that thing that was so sensitive that now you've brought
Speaker 1: so much attention to it that Paulina, who has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the show, tweeted about it. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that that. That's the point. If it was really nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I had someone else write
Speaker 1: my book. None of this happened to me. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to write. I never learned how to read either.
Speaker 1: By then it would have been over. So just a
Speaker 1: note for people in life and in TV. If you
Speaker 1: take the bait, it's like bad press. It's like Megan
Speaker 1: giving added gasolene to the fire. The fire keeps getting bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, I I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But I've been on reality TV too last year when
Speaker 1: I was out in the jungle starving and like you know,
Speaker 1: becoming uh incapable of walking, um and so like I
Speaker 1: and I understand, like I know, also storytelling. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get like, you know how how what you need
Speaker 1: to do in order to you know, draw attention or
Speaker 1: what people do to draw attention and so on. But
Speaker 1: there's I think there are certain things. Um that No,
Speaker 1: but you know what, You're right, Damn, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to protect something that I that that
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm wrong about. Never mind, you're right, Bethany.
Speaker 1: Someone says to you you've had plastic surgery, and they
Speaker 1: go for it, and you feel like, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: my whole life is about not plastic surgery. And I'm
Speaker 1: saying I'm never going to get it in the only
Speaker 1: ages we see it. Stop at j LO and then
Speaker 1: go to Betty White. You've said it. I'm quoting you
Speaker 1: to you. So if so, if someone said you have
Speaker 1: a plastic surgery and you say l o l okay,
Speaker 1: and we don't care if you go back and battle them,
Speaker 1: We're now invested. And we go back and forth and
Speaker 1: it's like bringing a big thing on it. So that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. You're right, You're right, because if it's
Speaker 1: just a one small kind of attack, like well you
Speaker 1: and your plastic surgery, and I'd be like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: look at this face. If I got plastic surgery, wouldn't
Speaker 1: it look a little better? Um? But but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it did turn into a big deal. Interesting. Interesting, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get a little different perspective on this, Bethany,
Speaker 1: I love it. I've gotten a different perspective on a
Speaker 1: couple of things too. This is an excellent, excellent That's
Speaker 1: why I like the show. We're talking about life through
Speaker 1: the show. We're not talking about gossip and you know,
Speaker 1: talking about life. It's like the women and our emotions
Speaker 1: and how we handle our friendships and where we fall
Speaker 1: short and where we do will and yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: sureness is real as in not exactly real, right, set
Speaker 1: up realness, but it's still manages to hit like the
Speaker 1: high and the low points of you know, emotionality, and yes,
Speaker 1: that are interesting. Yes, And if someone says that you're
Speaker 1: cheating on your husband and you're culled to sac and
Speaker 1: you're not on television, you're just a regular person, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not real. Don't take the bait and ad fire.
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Speaker 1: to podcasts. As a person who has watched the show,
Speaker 1: you and me who just knows the people. This was
Speaker 1: also iconic, quintessential Ramote Ramonia era Ramonia when Sonia and
Speaker 1: Ramona were like really close friends and really close to
Speaker 1: each other, and you could tell that Ramona really was
Speaker 1: annoyed that Harry had left with Luanne, and like it
Speaker 1: wasn't dirty and toxic. They just seemed like good, crazy girlfriends.
Speaker 1: And I like that that. You know, that's probably how
Speaker 1: people perceived myself in jail years before. I like, I
Speaker 1: like Ramonia when it's good. I did too, because they're
Speaker 1: both kind of cookie um and um and and sometimes
Speaker 1: one more than the other. But there's something disarming about them.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's there um uh, they sort of they're vulner
Speaker 1: They don't mean to be vulnerable. They don't mean to
Speaker 1: tell you things that they want to keep secret, and
Speaker 1: somehow they completely give it all away. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little it's a little. Uh. Lucy and Ethel and Wilma
Speaker 1: and Betty like it is a good it's a decent
Speaker 1: duo back then. Now it might not, you know, being
Speaker 1: a little older, it might not play as well, but
Speaker 1: it really it might. It might be like Golden Girls.
Speaker 1: It played well. I liked it and it was fun.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make that overall note and comment
Speaker 1: and tell you that I know Harry from back in
Speaker 1: the day. We used to go get drinks with this
Speaker 1: guy Braid and Kyle who passed away. He drank an
Speaker 1: extraordinary amount. He worked for Page six and I knew
Speaker 1: Harry through him, and we used to have infinite drinks
Speaker 1: back when I could drink at the Four Seasons, and
Speaker 1: Harry was always like, you know, it was that Upper
Speaker 1: east Side regency bar type thing, that Tom type thing,
Speaker 1: where like you have, you're like a big fish in
Speaker 1: a small pond. You're like, you know, it's fairly And
Speaker 1: I don't need to say this in a negative way
Speaker 1: because I don't like talking about people's looks, but like
Speaker 1: a fine looking human being a model, you're not, you know,
Speaker 1: just an average, decent, fine looking human being who has
Speaker 1: a little bit of money, running around on the Upper
Speaker 1: east Side, meeting young girls, trying to impress them with
Speaker 1: cocktails and like, you know, having a tab at the
Speaker 1: Four Seasons. That's that's the role that he played, which
Speaker 1: fits him perfectly into this cast because that's the same
Speaker 1: role that Tom played. And also there's something to be
Speaker 1: said about a man who is willing to sign the
Speaker 1: release each time and be on camera with these women.
Speaker 1: You've got to like the light. It must help a
Speaker 1: little bit with meeting those women at the Four Seasons
Speaker 1: and the Regency Bars. It's like kind of you get
Speaker 1: to be a big timer in this small little quadrant
Speaker 1: of like twenty blocks on the Upper east Side. So
Speaker 1: that's Harry who was married to Aviva and dated or
Speaker 1: slept with Luann as Sonja and Ramona, and Ramona will
Speaker 1: say not her and I highly doubt that, but he's
Speaker 1: hooked up with several housewives. That is an absolute fact
Speaker 1: in some former fashion. So whether I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was penetration, but it's not my business, but something
Speaker 1: they all hooked up. So Harry's made the rounds on
Speaker 1: this cast and it's death as a person who seems
Speaker 1: like they like to be on camera. The giving of
Speaker 1: the ring seemed forced to I don't know where that
Speaker 1: ring came from it and whose ring that was, but
Speaker 1: it was like it was not they weren't currently dating.
Speaker 1: It was like those friends you have that you say
Speaker 1: if we're a certain age where we'll get married, Like
Speaker 1: it just seemed weird and it did not seem truthful
Speaker 1: at all, And we'll never know because neither of them
Speaker 1: would tell the truth about it, but it was definitely
Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, And it was also kind of boring,
Speaker 1: honestly because I think because it didn't feel very authentic.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I was not invested in
Speaker 1: that part of the story at all because you didn't
Speaker 1: believe it and there were no steaks, no no. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, and whatever. It's a sort of pre
Speaker 1: ring to a pre ring like it. It seems like
Speaker 1: with that an e boost, they were hunting for story.
Speaker 1: And to Louanne's point, if you know, Luanna is Luanne,
Speaker 1: and Ramona said at best about lun Luan is the
Speaker 1: one in the group, but if she wanted to go
Speaker 1: home and hook up with Harry, I highly doubt that
Speaker 1: Luan at that time thought this was real anyway. So
Speaker 1: now it's a fake story that everyone's got to play
Speaker 1: along with, not unlike fake businesses that everybody has to
Speaker 1: act like they support and if they don't act like
Speaker 1: they support them, they're bad friends. And they seem to
Speaker 1: be trolled by the audience for not being supportive. But
Speaker 1: the people on the cast are like, but it's not
Speaker 1: even a real business anyway, So you know, when you're
Speaker 1: on the cast, like that's not real. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Tipsy girl is not really going to happen. This clothing
Speaker 1: line isn't gonna happen, the soccer team isn't gonna happen,
Speaker 1: the fragrance isn't gonna happen. And now we look non
Speaker 1: supportive for thinking that's crazy. So now Luan looks like
Speaker 1: she's just jumping in the car to sleep with Sonya's
Speaker 1: fake fiance and it's bullshit. Yeah, so it's weird. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a the domino effect of something not being
Speaker 1: true is what we're on there, fake story that comes
Speaker 1: from fake story, absolutely, and it's and therefore it's like
Speaker 1: that was not at all with piqued my interest in
Speaker 1: in in that episode at all. It was just yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: till Tiller just okay, I was just I was kind
Speaker 1: of um and swalled with um, uh god menopausal brain
Speaker 1: Harry and uh, what's Sonya? Harry and Sonya sitting at
Speaker 1: the table and she's kind of telling him off, like
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not going to be accepting this
Speaker 1: commitment ring from you, uh and um and and he's
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there sweating and red faced, and I
Speaker 1: just thought. I was like, I am really surprised that
Speaker 1: he agreed to this moment. I know, but you don't
Speaker 1: know what he agreed to. She might have just said
Speaker 1: the producers might have said, because I have his number already,
Speaker 1: do you want to just have a lunch with Sonya,
Speaker 1: which he could be sweating. I had a guy that
Speaker 1: I was in a scene with where I was saying,
Speaker 1: because the producers had wanted me to push the storyline forward,
Speaker 1: you know, do you think we'll be moving in together?
Speaker 1: And he really wanted to move in together, but he
Speaker 1: was like, we'll talk about it later because he didn't
Speaker 1: want to be on camera. The viewer thinks that he's
Speaker 1: telling me he doesn't want to live with me, and
Speaker 1: then ended up relating to me thinking I was there
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw, which was good for me, and in my
Speaker 1: real moment on that show, I was thinking, I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I'm the loser that the guy that it seems to
Speaker 1: the audience that's gonna watch this like he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to live with me. So I learned ten things during
Speaker 1: that scene alone that they were that they could sympathize
Speaker 1: with you being the loser, but I wasn't really the loser,
Speaker 1: because he did want to live with me, but he
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it on camera. So Harry probably
Speaker 1: went to a lunch and he might not be sweating
Speaker 1: because of what she said. He might be sweating because
Speaker 1: of what she just said on camera that he has
Speaker 1: to sort of pretend is real and it's going to
Speaker 1: be baked in an oven and come out and now
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about it. Oh that's true. I
Speaker 1: keep like and as much as I know about being
Speaker 1: on reality shows, I forget that this this is the
Speaker 1: way that it sometimes gets manipulated. That's right. Regardless. In
Speaker 1: that party, Kulu sen Um, I felt a little um
Speaker 1: um contemptuous of Harry. I thought, yeah, yeah, really seriously,
Speaker 1: like what who even cares? And why is he getting
Speaker 1: so much air time? Yeah? Yeah, that's the that was
Speaker 1: the top. That's the Tom and Harry. I said, we
Speaker 1: need a dick. We needed Tom dick and Harry you
Speaker 1: completely they need to get a dick on. Well, they
Speaker 1: have a lot of dick on that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of dick that's gotten. We need one Dick's father. I
Speaker 1: think that was the dick. Oh that's was it really
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we need yeah, we need we have a Tom,
Speaker 1: we have a Dick, we had forge. I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but you really are you know what, you know more
Speaker 1: than I do, which is frightening. Um, that's because you
Speaker 1: were on the show. My dear and I watched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. In other related awkward forced fake and by
Speaker 1: the way, you know what, it's good that I we
Speaker 1: watched shows that are like, we're crazy in other ways.
Speaker 1: This wasn't the best Housewives error or episode in history,
Speaker 1: but there's this much to learn from the fakeness because
Speaker 1: the viewers that the listeners here, I want to hear
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes too. They don't want us to
Speaker 1: replay a show that they saw, like they want to
Speaker 1: hear what I think, you know, the stuff that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known. So I find that in another unrelated
Speaker 1: fake storyline scene, we have luserque and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that was the finale. So now that I'm hold on,
Speaker 1: So now that I'm realizing this was a finale episode,
Speaker 1: this is not a good episode because I was thinking
Speaker 1: this was just a regular episode. Now that I think
Speaker 1: about the fact that this was the finale, that's not
Speaker 1: a great episode because it wasn't even a great final party,
Speaker 1: like a final party. Yeah, it was lame and it
Speaker 1: was weird and it was creepy and it was forced.
Speaker 1: And that's when producers need to find a thread to
Speaker 1: have a party and some everybody always wants to own
Speaker 1: the party. But if it's not an interesting enough concept, um,
Speaker 1: you know, or you've given up something else that season,
Speaker 1: so the producers will give you the final party. When
Speaker 1: you get smart, you realize you don't want you don't
Speaker 1: want to own anything. You don't want people in your house.
Speaker 1: You don't want to have to hold the bag. You'd
Speaker 1: rather just like but in the beginning, everybody wants all
Speaker 1: the attention of my friend's restaurant, my final party. Who
Speaker 1: gives a ship and out of its real Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is a bullshit party. And it was really awkward
Speaker 1: and it was so augumated with all of those with
Speaker 1: Soniest team all standing about and looking completely lost and
Speaker 1: like you had literally gotten them out of like very
Speaker 1: separate boxes. Oh my god. Right, like she went through
Speaker 1: a Rolodex and said, anybody who's provided a service. It
Speaker 1: was like Angie's list. She just was like, let me
Speaker 1: look up, a chira practor and acupuncturist, a colonic performer, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Reicky bring it in, Yeah exactly, ralphing Reiky acupulcture Electra.
Speaker 1: So fucking weird that it was crazy, You're right, that's so.
Speaker 1: At least we have that, like, at least that's an
Speaker 1: assortment of people. And I kind of wish that they
Speaker 1: would have that we would have almost seen a little
Speaker 1: bit more of this, these awkward interactions because they just
Speaker 1: stood there looking um, you know, like uh, they had
Speaker 1: no idea why they were there and what they were
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Right. But in fairness to Sonya and
Speaker 1: at some of the finales, I have seen some of
Speaker 1: her interesting crowd show up, and she is that type
Speaker 1: that is always she is always staying at a different
Speaker 1: wellness hotel and posting about them. She's always doing a
Speaker 1: different type of light therapy, colonic, vegan diet cleanse. She
Speaker 1: is that person. So in fairness, she has interacted with
Speaker 1: a lot of these people. They don't interact with each other,
Speaker 1: and that may not be the grounds for a successful party,
Speaker 1: but to always be fair, these are people that like
Speaker 1: Sonja definitely interfaces with because she tries everything and wants
Speaker 1: to do every new thing, and it reads up on
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So yes, Sonya's team and uh and
Speaker 1: Sonya's speech which was hilarious. Oh my god, I love
Speaker 1: it when she reads her speeches the exac Ackley, I mean,
Speaker 1: really hilarious. Um. So now we and she's talking on
Speaker 1: this episode. I have my perfume products, and I have
Speaker 1: my soccer team and I have and it's like all
Speaker 1: over the place. And that's God loves Sonja and she's
Speaker 1: fun and wacky and survives and she's always trying something new.
Speaker 1: And I have a soft spot for Sonya and in
Speaker 1: turns is just wonderful. It really is. It's like you
Speaker 1: look at her and you go, yeah, you're not a
Speaker 1: Broadway star, actress, model mogul blah blah that I can see.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you believe that you could be
Speaker 1: one at any point, absolutely I agree. And even for
Speaker 1: the show or not for the show, it lands with
Speaker 1: her because she'll be on that show forever, Like there's
Speaker 1: certain people. I think Kyle will be on that show
Speaker 1: for to the end of time. Um, and Kyle will
Speaker 1: be on the show to the end of time. UM,
Speaker 1: And I can see Sonya and Luanne being on the
Speaker 1: show to the end of the time time. I think
Speaker 1: Teresa will be on to the end of time. Vicky
Speaker 1: would have been on to the end of time if
Speaker 1: she wasn't taken up. They're just people that you know
Speaker 1: will be on to the end of time. And I
Speaker 1: don't even mean only because they'll stay on UM, but
Speaker 1: that they won't get fired. Because just another little tip,
Speaker 1: nine percent of housewives that have said that they've left
Speaker 1: have actually been fired. The only people that have not
Speaker 1: been fired and left are myself, Denise, Richard's, Caroline Manzo
Speaker 1: and maybe like one of those Lories or somebody from
Speaker 1: the very beginning on OC. But really everybody else has
Speaker 1: been allowed to say that they are choosing to leave,
Speaker 1: but they've been let go. That's just another little tip
Speaker 1: that's like the business. Like I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: a secret, but maybe listeners out there don't know that
Speaker 1: when somebody is taking UM, it's no longer renewing their
Speaker 1: contract because I'm with their family, right. She just got fired,
Speaker 1: right And that's another note too, because I think Ramona
Speaker 1: recently was like, the show is not really good for
Speaker 1: me right now, and I don't want to be that
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't need to be said. Nobody cares, nobody believes it.
Speaker 1: Just let's leave that out. We don't care. Everyone's gotten fired.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just like, well, I got fired,
Speaker 1: and then and then you get the repercussions of that,
Speaker 1: because then that sticks with you, like, oh, she's the
Speaker 1: one who got fired, because who ever get fired. But
Speaker 1: Dorenda turned it into a pause, which is still being
Speaker 1: fired because you were he was not your choice and
Speaker 1: you were let go. And everybody's technically on a pause
Speaker 1: if they might come back. Jill came back for so
Speaker 1: she didn't. Jill didn't if if if Dorenda's definition of
Speaker 1: a pause is that they will likely but having said that,
Speaker 1: they're definitely having her back, then Jill's Aaron. Anybody who's
Speaker 1: left Vicki Tamera, Like, everybody's on a pause, which is
Speaker 1: which is a nice it's frosting, it's frosting covered ship,
Speaker 1: It's it's everyone that was asked to leave, that wanted
Speaker 1: to stay, was fired. Um so yeah, um okay, so
Speaker 1: now let's get to this ship show. So even everybody's
Speaker 1: sitting at the table was just awkward. No one at
Speaker 1: a party. It's like eight people at a table to
Speaker 1: look at one person and talk about what they've done.
Speaker 1: That's like the producers pushing everybody over to talk about
Speaker 1: one thing to one person. It's weird one person saying something.
Speaker 1: Most people don't say exactly what's on their mind in
Speaker 1: the moment if you don't like someone at party or not, like, hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: I know, let's all go over there and tell Jane
Speaker 1: all the things we don't believe or like about her.
Speaker 1: It's creepy and weird. It was creepy and weird. And
Speaker 1: then the rest of the party, like all the Sonja
Speaker 1: team are like standing around, like huddled around a couple
Speaker 1: of little cocktail tables with no place to sit. Well, awkward. No, well,
Speaker 1: here's what a Housewives party is. Bright lights like you're
Speaker 1: a Chase stadium, no music because the music hasn't been cleared,
Speaker 1: and if it is music, it would be weird elevator music.
Speaker 1: But then the sound person can't hear the people talking.
Speaker 1: So think of this party. It's bright lights like Chase Stadium,
Speaker 1: it's no music, and it's can't four cameras every finale
Speaker 1: standing around a group of people. So the rest of
Speaker 1: the people don't know what to do. If there's like
Speaker 1: a big volcano erupting over to the left, you're standing there.
Speaker 1: You're like, we're not going to go into the burning
Speaker 1: volcano because that would be weird. But we're gonna stand
Speaker 1: there and sort of watch and not know what we
Speaker 1: should be doing at the party. It's hard to just
Speaker 1: have chatter about a blue cheese stuffed olive when there's
Speaker 1: a volcano erupting over there. So it's also creepy and
Speaker 1: weird to begin with, But so that that's how it really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then also what doesn't happen most times is somebody
Speaker 1: coming with like X rays in an envelope that that's
Speaker 1: that this is the error where that ship began. At reunions,
Speaker 1: people bringing out notes and texts, like we didn't have
Speaker 1: notes and envelopes. You just lived your life and you
Speaker 1: try to remember and you know, you know, oh, well
Speaker 1: this is the date that you text me, and I
Speaker 1: have the paper and the transcript. It's ridiculous. I did see,
Speaker 1: you know. I didn't even put that together because I
Speaker 1: didn't watch that much longer. I watched when you came back,
Speaker 1: and then nice kind of stopped watching when you left Um,
Speaker 1: so I did. I didn't even really realize that that
Speaker 1: is what is going on now, but well, it's receipts
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Speaker 1: bringing what are we gonna do now? Okay, your your
Speaker 1: doctor said you have asthma. And by the way, we
Speaker 1: all know doctors will say anything, and maybe she has asthma,
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't. It's not the contents the delivery. She
Speaker 1: had a lot of inhalers, so she must have had asthma. Well,
Speaker 1: any of us who know someone who seems like we're
Speaker 1: not going to diagnose seems like um a hypochontract. And
Speaker 1: by the way, for people saying she has munch houses,
Speaker 1: munch Houses is when you put it on your kids
Speaker 1: and you make every you make your people yeah, okay, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: They you're being like a fatalist about everything about other people,
Speaker 1: and it often since you want the sympathy and the
Speaker 1: empathy for one like that's you know, that's the poor
Speaker 1: mother whose child is in the hospital, or whose yes,
Speaker 1: so Munchausen. His kids are other people, but you're like
Speaker 1: getting attention and it's a sickness where you derive some
Speaker 1: sort of subconscious pleasure from somebody else being sick, like
Speaker 1: your your crowdsourcing attention, and you you be dramatic about
Speaker 1: it and you tell and I've known people who have
Speaker 1: had it and hypochondria. There was a movie about it. Um,
Speaker 1: what was it with that? There was a movie where
Speaker 1: the woman sharp objects she was poisoning their child. Look
Speaker 1: because she because people enjoy they're subconscious of their child
Speaker 1: being sick. It gives them purpose. Munchausen's offense gives the
Speaker 1: per person purchad purpose and they think that they're getting
Speaker 1: attention by saying all these different things. With her, it's
Speaker 1: hype of it. Seems like she's a bit of a
Speaker 1: hyper contract with her. She has these ailments. And the
Speaker 1: language in which she's describing the asthma, that was what
Speaker 1: was weird. She was like, it's not the asthma, it's
Speaker 1: the acid reflux that comes with the You know when
Speaker 1: people do that about food, Well, it's I'm gluten free,
Speaker 1: but I'm celiac because when I do this, and it's
Speaker 1: that and I can't process glue tomine And you're just like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to know all of this,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that I'm not compassionate. Shut the funk up. See,
Speaker 1: I am compassionate, and when somebody tells me that they
Speaker 1: are suffering, I would take them at their word, and
Speaker 1: I would be trying to be as helpful and kind
Speaker 1: and reaching out as I possibly could. But when they
Speaker 1: started taking advantage of me because of their issues, that's
Speaker 1: where you start going. Oh, hold on a second. You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't come and help you at your house because
Speaker 1: my asthma is kicking up. I can't come on a
Speaker 1: vacation trip with you because my arm hurts. I can't
Speaker 1: do this because and how come you're not feeling sorry
Speaker 1: for me? How come? How come you're being mad at
Speaker 1: me for not showing up when I'm suffering. Oh so
Speaker 1: you're saying, um, you're saying it's sort of like water boarding,
Speaker 1: or they're overplaying their ailment hand, they're being victims there.
Speaker 1: And then she pushed it and there's a certain sense
Speaker 1: of entitlement, you know, like I, I'm the one who's
Speaker 1: suffering here, So how come I'm not getting more applause,
Speaker 1: which is what she did in the same parts. Well,
Speaker 1: also know it sounds like a span, but probably. It
Speaker 1: also just sounds like there's there's nobody in the state
Speaker 1: of Montana that has asthma. I'm sure there's statistics about so.
Speaker 1: I think it's also I can't go to restaurants because
Speaker 1: I have I you know, because I get hives, like
Speaker 1: I have sooriases. It's like random, Yeah, I can't go
Speaker 1: to supermarkets because I get anxiety atacts exactly right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know what that is actually true.
Speaker 1: But I'm freaking gonna go to the supermarket anyway because
Speaker 1: otherwise I'm not gonna have any food. And you know,
Speaker 1: you just kind of sorted out like you you white
Speaker 1: knucklet or you're just a person that never leaves your house,
Speaker 1: but you're not on a reality show. But you also
Speaker 1: don't ask your friends to applaud you for um, you know,
Speaker 1: stepping inside the supermarket and being like watch me overcome
Speaker 1: my fear. Oh, pulling focus on the whole thing. That's
Speaker 1: fair too, that's a great, Okay, great, So this is
Speaker 1: what I found interesting. This was a very staged episode
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about because this too was like I'm
Speaker 1: going to because the way she pulled the leg off
Speaker 1: was so immediate. You had to have a plan for that.
Speaker 1: I don't think her leg just falls off in dinners
Speaker 1: like that was like I have. It was like it
Speaker 1: was a soap. I was like a telenovela. So that
Speaker 1: and having the combination of the X rays the envelope,
Speaker 1: the throwing the envelope and having the leg be able
Speaker 1: to detach so fast and throw it was all so
Speaker 1: fake and that's what people despise H and H left
Speaker 1: me wondering. I had no I had no qualms that
Speaker 1: this was a setup, that she she was going to
Speaker 1: throw her leg, that this like she had this all
Speaker 1: planned out in her mind. I just wasn't sure if
Speaker 1: it was maybe nudged by the producers. I know, I'll
Speaker 1: never know. Somebody edged in there a little bit and said,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be fabulous. I do think he
Speaker 1: gets some attention. You know how you could really shut
Speaker 1: everybody up and like really come off as you know,
Speaker 1: um uh, you know, it would make you bigger. Oh
Speaker 1: and also I'm the queen of the one liners, and
Speaker 1: they always are just immediate. But having a line assigned
Speaker 1: to a move, the only thing not natural about me
Speaker 1: is that like having a line assigned to a move
Speaker 1: like that is very stage and you're right, the producers
Speaker 1: definitely had something to do with that because they would
Speaker 1: have to know exactly where the camera would be in
Speaker 1: that exact instant. And I'm going to say that, yes,
Speaker 1: the producers probably did that. But the bigger lesson in
Speaker 1: life is nobody can make it do something you don't
Speaker 1: want to do, and you definitely shouldn't, oh, unquestionably, but
Speaker 1: I wonder. Okay, so because you obviously you know my
Speaker 1: reality show lested like one season, um uh. When you
Speaker 1: are kind of in the middle of this and you
Speaker 1: have the producers come up to you and go, Bethany,
Speaker 1: you know what would be really great, like you know,
Speaker 1: would take her aside and whisper this or do that,
Speaker 1: um and you know it will make it will make
Speaker 1: your brand come more alive if you did this, and
Speaker 1: if you did that, like when, because you're so immersed
Speaker 1: in it for the months that you're filming it, It's
Speaker 1: kind of isn't it hard to stay objective and know
Speaker 1: where your truth is at some point because there's obviously
Speaker 1: your weaknesses and your strengths. My hand to God, and
Speaker 1: you can ask every single producer I've ever worked with,
Speaker 1: what happens is you're pulling up to a scene and
Speaker 1: they're making you. At the same time, the producer comes
Speaker 1: into the car and they're saying, Okay, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Sonya tonight about her divorce. You're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to it. They want to give you some notes that
Speaker 1: they have on their big white family tree board of
Speaker 1: of of different dramas and things that they have going on.
Speaker 1: And I'm always like, get out of here, like I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't need to I don't need
Speaker 1: to be reminded. I know what's going on, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not that girl. But newer people who want to be
Speaker 1: successful and have preconceived notions because they've seen Teresa flip
Speaker 1: a table, and every season there's more elaborate drama that
Speaker 1: if you watch in the beginning seasons, they didn't exist.
Speaker 1: Like the biggest thing that ever happened was Kelly saying
Speaker 1: you know this is you, this is me meaning I'm
Speaker 1: up here, you're done here. That was like big drama.
Speaker 1: Then later you know, people feel like I've got a
Speaker 1: flip a table, then throw a leg, then pull someone's
Speaker 1: extensions out. So if you're coming into a show that's
Speaker 1: been going on for so many years. You've watched it,
Speaker 1: You've seen dramatic things. Now you've gotten the show, you've
Speaker 1: studied it. Because most people pretend they don't watch and
Speaker 1: then study it before they go on. It's a different
Speaker 1: type of cast member than someone who just was born
Speaker 1: into it, didn't know what the hell we were doing,
Speaker 1: didn't wear makeup, and just like live naturally and normally
Speaker 1: or is just natural at it. These other people are
Speaker 1: very staged and they can be influenced by the producers,
Speaker 1: and you can hear in their interviews lines that have
Speaker 1: been made up for them or fed to them, and
Speaker 1: you can even hear it in their taglines. Kristen made
Speaker 1: some line about like equating her sex life, Well, now
Speaker 1: my sex life will be spicier too, because whatever she
Speaker 1: said about the modeling, and that was a producer's line.
Speaker 1: That wasn't something that came out of her mouth. So
Speaker 1: it works in many cases, and it works more in
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills because it's such a polished, glamorous show. So
Speaker 1: that show they can get away with a lot more
Speaker 1: with outfits and makeup and houses because that's what it's
Speaker 1: you're expecting. Set ups, set up because you feel like
Speaker 1: the whole thing is Yeah, I mean it's it's it's
Speaker 1: like Barbie World or something. It works better there because
Speaker 1: everything seems a little plastic. Yeah, So it just it
Speaker 1: works better there. Anything staged, anything, so hair and makeup,
Speaker 1: it just works better there than it does this show.
Speaker 1: And in this era, New York is always a little messier,
Speaker 1: and Orange County is always a little messier. At lant
Speaker 1: is messier. And I like the messy show is better
Speaker 1: than the polishy because they show best too, because they're
Speaker 1: the well, because they're a little bit closer to the truth.
Speaker 1: Although sometimes the very polished LA version is it's more relaxing.
Speaker 1: It's like again, like I said, I feel like I
Speaker 1: learned from the Housewives, and it's from specifically from New
Speaker 1: York Housewives. I don't learn that much from l A.
Speaker 1: I just I just look at it and I go, oh, right,
Speaker 1: the pink roses and the pink couches and the landing,
Speaker 1: the falcon crusts, your Dynasty, your watch exactly, which is
Speaker 1: entertaining and why it does so well. But it's a
Speaker 1: different type of show. They can rely less, They have
Speaker 1: to make more of an effort and how they look
Speaker 1: and how they live than what they say and what
Speaker 1: they do, yes exactly, and what pets they have purchased
Speaker 1: or saved or yeah exactly. And by the way, I
Speaker 1: that would be harder for me. Words coming out of
Speaker 1: my mouth is not hard. Figure out how to like
Speaker 1: make myself like a Barbie doll every day would be
Speaker 1: very challenge. Oh my god, that to me is like
Speaker 1: that would be such a slog like having to hell.
Speaker 1: That is one of the things that intrigues me about
Speaker 1: the Hollywood one is that how how perfectly put together
Speaker 1: they look at all times. And I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's so much work on. What about the and the
Speaker 1: purse put directly in the camera angle, like the air
Speaker 1: mes bag every time, right in the camera angle, that
Speaker 1: a price underneath. It's revolting but fabulous. Um yeah, and fairness.
Speaker 1: And in credit to them, they were reacting in a
Speaker 1: way that is kind of like saying that is fake
Speaker 1: and fucked up and like that's you need help, Like
Speaker 1: they were reacting properly, like yeah, I like the fact
Speaker 1: that a couple of them just kind of laughed in
Speaker 1: heart they just sort of turned laugh. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: like but she would her laugh, and I know her
Speaker 1: Luan's laugh was saying like I can't believe that this
Speaker 1: just happened. And she's thinking of the producers and the
Speaker 1: cast like magic, Like she just is laughing, and she's
Speaker 1: thinking of the fact that it's a finale. So that's
Speaker 1: a moment, Like they're all thinking ten different things. And
Speaker 1: there were ten thousand calls the next day to the producers,
Speaker 1: trust and belief. Ah. Interesting, But but like when I
Speaker 1: am obviously, when I watched it for the first time,
Speaker 1: I felt I felt like she it was a definite,
Speaker 1: like like she came in prepared to do this. She
Speaker 1: had like her whole narrative in her head. She's also
Speaker 1: not a great actress, so she didn't carried off making
Speaker 1: it look like an impulse. You know, she looks like
Speaker 1: it is premeditation. But it was only rewatching it where
Speaker 1: I thought it seems like it's been a set up
Speaker 1: by the producers. This actually seems like somebody needled her saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be really great, and she just
Speaker 1: maybe she was feeling insecure on a show nobody was
Speaker 1: nobody liked her. Um, you know, she wasn't doing doing
Speaker 1: that well in the eatings and she might have thought
Speaker 1: this will be the one thing that will somehow, you know,
Speaker 1: pick her up a little bit. Right. Well, I was
Speaker 1: just going to ask you what you're high and you're low?
Speaker 1: Was or moments in the show, and I was thinking
Speaker 1: one of my highs, believe it or not, was seeing
Speaker 1: the reveal of Carol's apartment. And because people think that
Speaker 1: I just want to hate on everybody, I want to
Speaker 1: say something positive. I want to say that she does
Speaker 1: have good taste and good style, that that apartment looked great.
Speaker 1: Just a random compliment I'm throwing out. That's a that's
Speaker 1: very nice of you. And yes, she has amazing style
Speaker 1: and her apartment looks amazing, although I thought it looked
Speaker 1: really pretty good before that too. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have a great sense of style. So she goes
Speaker 1: all the way on each piece, which I respect and
Speaker 1: I don't do. I go for a whole look and
Speaker 1: it always looks really good. But she like picks each
Speaker 1: different the wallpapers its own statement, the the lighting fixture,
Speaker 1: each coffee table, each coaster, every single moment is a statement.
Speaker 1: And when you're designing a place, I like micessories to
Speaker 1: do that. But I don't have the time to, like
Speaker 1: one at a time, pick each thing. I want to
Speaker 1: kind of get the canvas done and then accessorized. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was something to compliment. So, uh, do
Speaker 1: you have any kind of high or low that you
Speaker 1: want to mention? Uh? Well, I thought again for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm still thinking by this the low to me
Speaker 1: was the book gate thing, like, yeah, well see it
Speaker 1: affected me, which which is what I'm thinking that maybe
Speaker 1: Carol wasn't so so far off the mark because I
Speaker 1: think if you know, like you said, okay, somebody excuses
Speaker 1: me of plastic surgery, it's so patently obvious that I
Speaker 1: haven't had any, and it's so proven. But if somebody
Speaker 1: said your book was not written by you, somebody I
Speaker 1: heard that there was a ghostwriter on your book, it
Speaker 1: would hurt. I would take offense to that because that
Speaker 1: is like my sensitive area, and not because I can't write,
Speaker 1: because people don't generally give me credit from being able
Speaker 1: to do anything but look pretty. Oh that's fair. And
Speaker 1: also you're on a show. You don't know what's coming
Speaker 1: out of the oven. You've just thrown the chocolate chips
Speaker 1: in and some baking powder and the rest isn't there,
Speaker 1: and you've gotta wait six months. And your your career
Speaker 1: has been being a writer, and your financial stability has
Speaker 1: been being a writer, and you might want to write
Speaker 1: more books, and you don't have the the reader and
Speaker 1: the buyer is going to perceive it, so you have
Speaker 1: to wait. And that's why reality TV is really painful
Speaker 1: in that way. You just something happened and you're still
Speaker 1: shooting the scene. So somebody said something to you that
Speaker 1: you weren't expecting you they pull your pants down in
Speaker 1: the middle of the street, and you still have to
Speaker 1: keep filming as if nothing just happened. So you're doing
Speaker 1: two things at the same time. You're thinking, you're obsessing
Speaker 1: inside your sweating. Ramona is amazing at this because she
Speaker 1: doesn't care what she's just said. She can move out.
Speaker 1: In my head, I'd be like, you're thinking about what
Speaker 1: was just said, but you can't get stumped in show,
Speaker 1: so you have to move forward and say what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna obsess for days and weeks and months
Speaker 1: about what that's gonna look like later. It's a torturous thing.
Speaker 1: And I always say they're not getting paid whatever they're
Speaker 1: getting paid the good ones. It's not even enough. It's torture.
Speaker 1: People go. And this is why. While we like it
Speaker 1: and it's taught us a lot, one of the things
Speaker 1: I don't love about housewives is that many women have
Speaker 1: gone on anti anxiety drugs as a result of being
Speaker 1: on the show to manage and stay on the show.
Speaker 1: So you now go, you get so that's not is
Speaker 1: your job that you've chosen to do and get paid
Speaker 1: for to be in the light. But it's the it's
Speaker 1: the devil because it's got another side to it. So
Speaker 1: you get to be famous, you get to be in
Speaker 1: the light, but you have to endure media scrutiny, lies, truths,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter at all. The skeletons are coming out, and
Speaker 1: you may have to go on anti anxiety medication or
Speaker 1: just won't sleep for six months. It's really brutal. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then that's that sort of is also belongs to
Speaker 1: the category of just being famous, right like if you're
Speaker 1: if you suddenly become a public figure, from going from
Speaker 1: you know, being known around town to being nationally known
Speaker 1: or it is, yes, but I'll challenge you because those
Speaker 1: some people that are very let's take a mall in
Speaker 1: George for example, versus Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson. Okay, a,
Speaker 1: Mom and George have chosen the way that they want
Speaker 1: to be famous. They I know that they're in like Como.
Speaker 1: You can go and be by their house, etcetera. There's paparazzi, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But they know them and they're locally known, and they
Speaker 1: find a way to have a quiet life and then
Speaker 1: bust out and go to the met Gala and be
Speaker 1: as famous in Hollywood as possible when they want to.
Speaker 1: But they can sit back and chill, and other really
Speaker 1: famous people choose to constantly be in the machine. Being
Speaker 1: on the Housewives is a different machine. It's like churning
Speaker 1: out junk food every day all the time. And these
Speaker 1: women take the hit because they want the good and
Speaker 1: then then they take the bad. When I used to
Speaker 1: go to l A, I'd go out to dinner with
Speaker 1: Kyle and she want to go to Craigs, and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I really don't want to go to where
Speaker 1: that paparazzi is. I was not born and meant to
Speaker 1: be famous. I don't want to put on the eyelashes
Speaker 1: in the makeup and take the picture I don't want
Speaker 1: to live that cycle. I'd rather do it here with you,
Speaker 1: and we choose to be here to them be public
Speaker 1: and this might get picked up in a magazine. It's control.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it in another type of way.
Speaker 1: So it's a different genre. Can't hide because because George
Speaker 1: and Mamal or Kim and whatever, the people that they're
Speaker 1: on the show with, they're producing the show. So it's
Speaker 1: not like a daily immediate people that just want to
Speaker 1: take you down. The Housewives is like you're on a
Speaker 1: basketball team on the front lines, but the other four
Speaker 1: people really will only win if you're losing, like in
Speaker 1: some scenes, So the whole game is like not like
Speaker 1: we're all going to beat the other team. We must
Speaker 1: beat each other at all times in some way. And
Speaker 1: we can pretend we're all friends because we're on the
Speaker 1: same team. But I must be winning and you must
Speaker 1: be losing for that scene to win. See they all
Speaker 1: ganged up against a Viva. I Viva was losing. If
Speaker 1: they push it too far, she'll be winning. They'll all
Speaker 1: be losing. The pendulum is always swinging, so it's very erratic.
Speaker 1: It's different than normal fame. You are, Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Also question being on a reality show
Speaker 1: and you're like on whatever a lot, right for the
Speaker 1: four months that you're doing it, and so you're living
Speaker 1: your life in front of the camera. How do you
Speaker 1: feel when you get off? Like all you do is
Speaker 1: talk to everybody else about what happened and what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. You're in a vicious and some people are worse.
Speaker 1: I know the exact housewives who talk about a twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day, and it's it's it's part of
Speaker 1: why you want to get off. And then I know
Speaker 1: and I know other cast members and you go out
Speaker 1: to dinner with them and it's all you talk about
Speaker 1: what's going on in your cast their cut. Now there's
Speaker 1: cross gossip and it doesn't matter how intelligent and Carol
Speaker 1: rads it will you you seem because she's she talks
Speaker 1: about it as much, if not more than others that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like. Lu A will talk about it, but
Speaker 1: not as much as someone like Carol. You know, um,
Speaker 1: you'd think that Sonya because she's fun and wacky, what
Speaker 1: what Remona will talk about it way less than someone
Speaker 1: like like Sonya. Ramona wants to go on the trip,
Speaker 1: pretend it's a real trip, have fun, then go back
Speaker 1: to her own life and her shard and with her
Speaker 1: friends or Pinogregia Sonya. We'll be talking about it twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day on camera, off camera, on season.
Speaker 1: Off season, you call her and like it gets to
Speaker 1: there and you're like, I don't want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Kyle is kind of in it, in and out of
Speaker 1: it a lot, too, Like different people are at different rates,
Speaker 1: but everybody is talking about it all the time when
Speaker 1: you're in that process, And that's one of the things
Speaker 1: I really didn't like all the time. That's like completely
Speaker 1: life consuming all the time. Anyone who says they don't
Speaker 1: is lying all the time, and they're texting Andy something
Speaker 1: just happened, and they're talking to the producers all the
Speaker 1: time as if the producers are their best friends, because
Speaker 1: that's how they jockey to get good scenes or get
Speaker 1: things taken out, or push things to be taken in,
Speaker 1: or make get pet and feel better about what happened.
Speaker 1: And the producers have to make you feel like it
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad even though it was bad, and make
Speaker 1: the people you know, it's it's it's it's or that
Speaker 1: it was really good even though it wasn't good. It's
Speaker 1: a NonStop cycle of that. So it's they deserve all
Speaker 1: the money they get because it's twenty four hours a
Speaker 1: day for those four months, and then they're still doing
Speaker 1: interviews and then it airs, and it starts all over again.
Speaker 1: It airs, and it's the media talking about it and
Speaker 1: the things that your cast made didn't see that happened,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a it's a circular reference. It's a nightmare.
Speaker 1: To be honest, It's okay, you just made it sound
Speaker 1: completely unappealing to be a part of the cast of
Speaker 1: the Now. I feel sorry for everybody. Yeah no, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying they're earning the money they make someone and
Speaker 1: I'm going to give special shout outs to people like
Speaker 1: Erica Jane to Teresa who gone through public things and
Speaker 1: have been dragged behind a car and been on the
Speaker 1: ultimate roller coaster, Kyle and Kim and the Kathy and
Speaker 1: the family drama that comes out, so you have other
Speaker 1: family members involved that they earned the money they're making.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking drag and pour Tabasco sauce on the
Speaker 1: their bodies after they all know it's true. And everybody
Speaker 1: knows everything I said was true. It's a fact. These
Speaker 1: are facts. You mean it's not. It's not. It's not
Speaker 1: word word from the street, word on the stard. It now,
Speaker 1: these are facts, m are facts. Amazing, Thank you, Paulina,
Speaker 1: Bye bye