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Speaker 1: Today, we are going back to New York season six.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the seasons after my departure. Before

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Speaker 1: my return, Aviva Dresher returns to the group for the

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Speaker 1: first time in weeks. Insults and body parts fly in

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Speaker 1: an explosive season ending confrontation. No stranger to New York

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Speaker 1: City and drama. We're bringing in supermodel Paulina porre Skova

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Speaker 1: to give her unfiltered take on this iconic episode. This

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Speaker 1: is the Real Housewives of New York Season six, episode twenty,

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Speaker 1: the last leg. I appreciate you doing this and doing

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Speaker 1: the homework, because that's the pain in the ass. So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you watching a show. You forget that. I

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Speaker 1: watched the show, and I watched, like I watched all

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Speaker 1: the way up till maybe season eleven or twelve, so

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Speaker 1: it's not like a month familiar. What's what was going

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Speaker 1: on there? I'm like, oh, yes, I remember the leg

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Speaker 1: on the table and yeah, okay, well you remember. But

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Speaker 1: to me going back and watching these shows, it's a

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Speaker 1: little dated. People definitely look different. We all have aged

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Speaker 1: and fashion has aged, and um, I do see it differently,

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I see people differently. I find

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Speaker 1: characters sympathetic that I didn't when I was there because

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Speaker 1: when I yes, well i'll tell you why. Because so

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Speaker 1: this era of this show, um, it's when Aviva's pulls

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Speaker 1: her leg out. This particular era, this is when I

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Speaker 1: left for the second time. I left, and then you

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Speaker 1: were on season seven. Yeah, you're better than I. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So this is when I left for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and there were three seasons, and this is when they

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Speaker 1: brought in Kristen, Carol and Heather. And not that I'm

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Speaker 1: saying it's because of those three girls or the combination

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Speaker 1: or me being gone or whatever, but the ratings had

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Speaker 1: gone from like three point one million viewers down to

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Speaker 1: one point six during this era. And it's funny because

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Speaker 1: I back then, when watching I didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: that good, Like I didn't think it was as good

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Speaker 1: as it had been before. But watching it last night,

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Speaker 1: I found it entirely entertaining. And I didn't watch all

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Speaker 1: the shows when I was gone, not because I was

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Speaker 1: bitter or anything. I left, it's because I never really

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Speaker 1: watched when I was on. I only watched my episode

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Speaker 1: to see if I got in trouble or not, and

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Speaker 1: then that was it. So people when I was on

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Speaker 1: the show as a business person and wanting it to

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Speaker 1: be successful, that I would not think we're great housewives.

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Speaker 1: I still think are great people. So like back when Alex,

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Speaker 1: you know, back in my Alex genre on the Scary

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Speaker 1: Island Trip, I now watched that and found her very

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Speaker 1: was a great housewife because she wasn't polarizing or didn't

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Speaker 1: speak up enough. And I found that about Kristen in

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Speaker 1: this episode, and she was speaking up in this episode.

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Speaker 1: I found her to be pretty and sweet and nice

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Speaker 1: and relatable. Um, But when I was there, I remember

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Speaker 1: not thinking that she was the best housewife because you're

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Speaker 1: trying to like move traffic and move story, and not

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Speaker 1: everyone is a good housewife, but they might be a

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Speaker 1: good person. So I find that I think, I think

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Speaker 1: mean this shows these shows thrive on the tension, right,

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Speaker 1: So tension has to be built some way, somebody's got

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Speaker 1: a certain energy, like I have to say, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you You're like a little fire spark every time you're

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Speaker 1: on screen. There's I mean, you know obviously, because you've

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Speaker 1: it's your enthusiasm, it's your curiosity, and it's just and

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be mean to get tension started.

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Speaker 1: You're just like this little barl of fire that keeps

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Speaker 1: setting things a flame. Exactly. That's exactly what it's like.

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Speaker 1: I little fires everywhere and moving traffic and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot going on, and producers on the show have said,

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Speaker 1: I think like a producer. So I'm on the show

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Speaker 1: dealing with what's happening, but in my mind, I'm I'm not.

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Speaker 1: There's never been any acting or anything, but I'm aware

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Speaker 1: like we're there to move story. And UM, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: very good for me because I'm good for it, and

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Speaker 1: So I'm good for reality TV because I can light

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Speaker 1: But it might not be good for me, but for

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Speaker 1: someone like a Jacqueline the Rita on Jersey or Kristen,

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Speaker 1: take you out of your comfort zone and some maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe the car is moving too fast. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: very profound question that I wasn't ready for. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're. I'm sure you're right. But I think in

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Speaker 1: I always just kind of it, like the whole thing

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Speaker 1: and then when it comes to you know, more like

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Speaker 1: you know, and it doesn't always. I mean sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it might even be dull. But yes, but

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Speaker 1: you being a model, I'm picturing you the way you're

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Speaker 1: always good, that's exactly me. But with you, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that while you're great at it, modeling may sometimes feel

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you're absolutely right about that. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: never feel worse about myself than after I spent day modeling.

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Speaker 1: I never feel so inadequate as after a day of modeling.

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Speaker 1: And that's even if it's going really well and the

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Speaker 1: pictures look good interesting, So that's the point. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: I do sometimes miss it, because I'm sure you miss

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Speaker 1: you're right. All the things that comes within the press

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Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff makes me happy. Well done,

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Speaker 1: this episode. So, uh we start off and I have

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Speaker 1: So I found that to be very interesting. And Kristen

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Speaker 1: watch that much, but in meeting her personally and then

427
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: her being cast professionally, I'm gonna tell you exactly what happened.

428
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Whenever someone asks me to do something,

429
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: I go over the top. And I don't need to

430
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: go that far in the project. So if you're like, oh,

431
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: I need a good restaurant in Veil, I'll like, get

432
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: so down that rabbit hole. I'll be sending you like

433
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: Korean barbecue and Ethie Open like okay, stat like it's

434
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: too I just need a couple of restaurants. But I

435
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: don't like to do anything halfway. So when they used

436
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: to ask us about casting, whether I was on or

437
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: off the show, I would go down a rabbit hole

438
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: and think about who would be good. And it got

439
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: me into all kinds of problems. And I'll explain others later,

440
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: but I've cast Aviva and Leah and partially Lisa Arenna

441
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: because Andy Cohen was not for Lisa Arena at all,

442
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: and I was the one who kept telling him that

443
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: he would actually like her and that she would be excellent.

444
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: So I do take partial to full credit for Lisa

445
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: Arenna and in telling Lisa Arena to actually do the show,

446
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: because she called me to ask me to do that,

447
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: and whether she should do the Apprentice. So I'm taking

448
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: some credit for that. And I will also take credit

449
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: for the failures, which is Aviva and I cast Leah.

450
00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: So Aviva, I knew a friend who knew her, and

451
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: they were going down the path of casting people and

452
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen hadn't seen her, so she hadn't made it

453
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: to the top. They were going to cast without Aviva,

454
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: and I said, what the hell, why didn't you cast Aviva?

455
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: He said who? I said, she was married to Harry Dubin,

456
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: who has had sex with more than three housewives. So

457
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: they put her at the top of the pile and

458
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: then they cast her. And between that process of the

459
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: video going in and it actually happening, I saw Viva

460
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: and the Hampton's at a bagel store and she's the

461
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: one who said, oh, hi, thank you so much for

462
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: throwing my name in. Big mistake. Because then like now

463
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: you get someone gets you in a verbal headlock. So

464
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: I remember I'm standing in front of this bagel store

465
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: in the Hampton's and I was like on the lawn

466
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: and she just was like, well, I want to do

467
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: because of this, and I don't because of that, and

468
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: I think I'd be great because of this, and I

469
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: want you to say this, and like I people think

470
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 1: I care. Like recently Jenna Lilliaans wanted to talk to

471
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: me about this, what what do I suggest for her?

472
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: Cathy Hilton wanted to talk to me about it before

473
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: she went on this other model or somebody who's doing

474
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: the new one. Well, I don't want I don't really

475
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about Like I don't really have anything

476
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: to say. There's not I don't want to be the

477
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: sort of post your child for this, and not in

478
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: a rude way, not that I don't want to pay

479
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: for it and help people. I don't have anything. I'm

480
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: not going to say that many positive things, Like I

481
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: didn't say that many positive things to Kyle before she

482
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: went on because I was leaving. So I definitely don't

483
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: know that many positive things to say because I'm leaving.

484
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: So I cast you because I know you wanted that,

485
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: and I helped you in that way, but like, I

486
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: don't want It's like setting someone up with someone on

487
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: a date two people you don't know them. I just

488
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: set up two people. I don't know either of them.

489
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do a mick fa and set

490
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: them up. I don't want to be in a play

491
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: by play about it now. I want to hear about

492
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: every date, which you hate, what you like, how much

493
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: money they have, don't. I don't want. I just wanted

494
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: to do it. So that's what the casting is like.

495
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of the date after

496
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: I've set you guys up. So a Viva got me

497
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 1: in this like crazy headlock and then she ended up

498
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: making it. And I'm responsible and people can be mad

499
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: at me too for that task. But anyway, that is

500
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: how I have even made it onto the shop. I

501
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: am in part grateful because I can't say that I

502
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: had much fondness for Aviva, but she brought It's kind

503
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: of like she you know, she brought something train television.

504
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it was it was sharp, and it

505
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: was unpleasant and and um like because because of how

506
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: because of who she was and how not very nice

507
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: she could be, you know, everybody else kind of got

508
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: on guard and it created a lot of tension and

509
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: and I just never forget. It was the season before

510
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: this one with when with Aviva, when I think they

511
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: went to St. Bart and she calling the bass trailer

512
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: trash or something. Yeah, but she was like it was

513
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: like all about her health and her phobias and she

514
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: needed her husband with her, even the girl strip and

515
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, And how come you don't

516
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: have compassion for me? I'm suffering here? How them you

517
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: don't have compassion? And that kind of floored me because

518
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, um, like this is when bad things

519
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: happen in your life. If you expect, if you're kind

520
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: of entitled and you expect for everybody to give you

521
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: a free pass, you become a Viva. Okay, well here, yes,

522
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: so it does. So it does teach you about yourself

523
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: to your point. But I'm gonna explain something to you.

524
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: On reality television and maybe in real life, but on

525
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: reality television, love to hate is great, Joan Collins is great. Um,

526
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: love to hate Ramona because she screws up all the time,

527
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: but like you find her fun and crazy and they're watching.

528
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Hate to hate doesn't work, Aviva is you feel that

529
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: you hate to hate her? You hate it, And and

530
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Danielle was the same. You just don't like the way

531
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: you feel. You don't feel good about hating it. You

532
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: just you hate to hate it. That's when you know.

533
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Love to love is good, love to hate is good.

534
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Hate to hate is not good. And a Viva is

535
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: a rare breed. I mean, she really lost me. I

536
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: have to say this is when I started disliking her.

537
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Was the book gate thing, oh, right with Carol Um

538
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: because I'm a writer, so like I knew exactly what

539
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Carol was saying and what Aviva was saying was insane,

540
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: and I posted about it on Twitter. I was I

541
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: said something like about, you know, being in Carol's camp,

542
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it doesn't take a village to write

543
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: a book. I'm sorry, that's you know, it's a one

544
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: person kind of a deal. And I've never gotten so

545
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: much hate mail in my life. Oh really, yeah, people

546
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: defending a Viva. I got so much hate mail. I

547
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: was literally like stunned, and I don't think I've ever

548
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: gotten as much hate mail since. Well, I'm gonna say this,

549
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I have reviewed things that Carol has written and given

550
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: my grammar and also flow uh notes like replied and

551
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: then underneath written I think this should go this way,

552
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: and I think that's that way. And and to me,

553
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: I made this mistake with the Tipsy girl thing where

554
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: I took the bait and I went in and got

555
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: annoyed about it versus just ignoring it. Carol took the

556
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: bait and really kind of battled it because there was

557
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: something there that was really bothering her, like it was

558
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: bothering her a little too much. It doesn't really matter.

559
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I have worked with different I have written my books.

560
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: When I tell you written all of the words. I

561
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: have had a writer helped me organized, structure the box,

562
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: the bullet points where it's going. It's like I could

563
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: go in my cloth and my garage and organize everything

564
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: and put it in this the piles. And in this case,

565
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: I do all that myself because I'm a psycho organizer.

566
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: But what if I needed somebody to help me with

567
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: the containers and where it's going and how the layout

568
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: is and what a table comes. So for me personally,

569
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I've done that. I have no shame in that. I

570
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: don't care it doesn't mean it wasn't my book. These

571
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: things didn't fly from the sky. Be very hard for

572
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: someone to fully write a book for you, your perspective,

573
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: your voice, a feeling, etcetera. And her book did well,

574
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: so I think that doesn't really matter what if Eva

575
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: was saying, she probably did have some help. It seemed

576
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: like she had too much information for her not to

577
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: have had some help. But I think she took the

578
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: bait too like too much. I think it was a battle,

579
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: that thing that was so sensitive that now you've brought

580
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: so much attention to it that Paulina, who has nothing

581
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: to do with the show, tweeted about it. I didn't

582
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: know that that. That's the point. If it was really nothing,

583
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I had someone else write

584
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: my book. None of this happened to me. I don't

585
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: know how to write. I never learned how to read either.

586
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: By then it would have been over. So just a

587
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: note for people in life and in TV. If you

588
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: take the bait, it's like bad press. It's like Megan

589
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: giving added gasolene to the fire. The fire keeps getting bigger. Yeah,

590
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, I I get what you're saying.

591
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: But I've been on reality TV too last year when

592
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I was out in the jungle starving and like you know,

593
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: becoming uh incapable of walking, um and so like I

594
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: and I understand, like I know, also storytelling. I get it.

595
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I get like, you know how how what you need

596
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: to do in order to you know, draw attention or

597
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: what people do to draw attention and so on. But

598
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: there's I think there are certain things. Um that No,

599
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: but you know what, You're right, Damn, I'm trying to

600
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to protect something that I that that

601
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm wrong about. Never mind, you're right, Bethany.

602
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Someone says to you you've had plastic surgery, and they

603
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: go for it, and you feel like, holy sh it,

604
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: my whole life is about not plastic surgery. And I'm

605
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: saying I'm never going to get it in the only

606
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: ages we see it. Stop at j LO and then

607
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: go to Betty White. You've said it. I'm quoting you

608
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: to you. So if so, if someone said you have

609
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: a plastic surgery and you say l o l okay,

610
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: and we don't care if you go back and battle them,

611
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: We're now invested. And we go back and forth and

612
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: it's like bringing a big thing on it. So that's

613
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. You're right, You're right, because if it's

614
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: just a one small kind of attack, like well you

615
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: and your plastic surgery, and I'd be like, yeah, okay,

616
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: look at this face. If I got plastic surgery, wouldn't

617
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: it look a little better? Um? But but yeah, no,

618
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: it did turn into a big deal. Interesting. Interesting, I'm

619
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: starting to get a little different perspective on this, Bethany,

620
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: I love it. I've gotten a different perspective on a

621
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: couple of things too. This is an excellent, excellent That's

622
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: why I like the show. We're talking about life through

623
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: the show. We're not talking about gossip and you know,

624
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: talking about life. It's like the women and our emotions

625
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: and how we handle our friendships and where we fall

626
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: short and where we do will and yeah, I mean

627
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: sureness is real as in not exactly real, right, set

628
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: up realness, but it's still manages to hit like the

629
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: high and the low points of you know, emotionality, and yes,

630
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: that are interesting. Yes, And if someone says that you're

631
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: cheating on your husband and you're culled to sac and

632
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: you're not on television, you're just a regular person, you know,

633
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: and it's not real. Don't take the bait and ad fire.

634
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm saying. Hey there, I'm Hollen

635
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Rowden and I am the host of a new podcast

636
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: called Holler Back Now, moonas Full and Beacon Hills and

637
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: the Wolves are coming out again. You know me as

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Speaker 1: Lydia Martin from Teen Wolf. And on this podcast, we

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Speaker 1: will rewatch every episode from the beginning. So join me

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Speaker 1: and my favorite Teen Wolf stars and friends as we

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Speaker 1: reunite the cast, the crew, and the heroes and the villains.

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Speaker 1: Will be sharing every gory detail with you. Because as

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Speaker 1: if a hundred episodes wasn't enough, I am bringing you

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Speaker 1: all the behind the scenes. There's gonna be so much

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Speaker 1: more of each episode. Nothing is off limits. And oh

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Speaker 1: that's right, we'll be talking about Teen Wolf the movie.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. The Wolves are hell and once again,

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Speaker 1: what can I say? So Holler back Now and join us.

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Speaker 1: Each week listen to how They're Back Now on the

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen

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Speaker 1: to podcasts. As a person who has watched the show,

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00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: you and me who just knows the people. This was

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: also iconic, quintessential Ramote Ramonia era Ramonia when Sonia and

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00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: Ramona were like really close friends and really close to

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Speaker 1: each other, and you could tell that Ramona really was

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00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: annoyed that Harry had left with Luanne, and like it

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00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: wasn't dirty and toxic. They just seemed like good, crazy girlfriends.

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Speaker 1: And I like that that. You know, that's probably how

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Speaker 1: people perceived myself in jail years before. I like, I

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00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: like Ramonia when it's good. I did too, because they're

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00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: both kind of cookie um and um and and sometimes

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Speaker 1: one more than the other. But there's something disarming about them.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's there um uh, they sort of they're vulner

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Speaker 1: They don't mean to be vulnerable. They don't mean to

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Speaker 1: tell you things that they want to keep secret, and

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00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: somehow they completely give it all away. Yeah, it's a

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00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: little it's a little. Uh. Lucy and Ethel and Wilma

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00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: and Betty like it is a good it's a decent

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Speaker 1: duo back then. Now it might not, you know, being

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Speaker 1: a little older, it might not play as well, but

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00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: it really it might. It might be like Golden Girls.

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Speaker 1: It played well. I liked it and it was fun.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make that overall note and comment

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Speaker 1: and tell you that I know Harry from back in

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Speaker 1: the day. We used to go get drinks with this

676
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Speaker 1: guy Braid and Kyle who passed away. He drank an

677
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: extraordinary amount. He worked for Page six and I knew

678
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Harry through him, and we used to have infinite drinks

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00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: back when I could drink at the Four Seasons, and

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00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: Harry was always like, you know, it was that Upper

681
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: east Side regency bar type thing, that Tom type thing,

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Speaker 1: where like you have, you're like a big fish in

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Speaker 1: a small pond. You're like, you know, it's fairly And

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Speaker 1: I don't need to say this in a negative way

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Speaker 1: because I don't like talking about people's looks, but like

686
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: a fine looking human being a model, you're not, you know,

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00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: just an average, decent, fine looking human being who has

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Speaker 1: a little bit of money, running around on the Upper

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Speaker 1: east Side, meeting young girls, trying to impress them with

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Speaker 1: cocktails and like, you know, having a tab at the

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Speaker 1: Four Seasons. That's that's the role that he played, which

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00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: fits him perfectly into this cast because that's the same

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Speaker 1: role that Tom played. And also there's something to be

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Speaker 1: said about a man who is willing to sign the

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Speaker 1: release each time and be on camera with these women.

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Speaker 1: You've got to like the light. It must help a

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Speaker 1: little bit with meeting those women at the Four Seasons

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Speaker 1: and the Regency Bars. It's like kind of you get

699
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Speaker 1: to be a big timer in this small little quadrant

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Speaker 1: of like twenty blocks on the Upper east Side. So

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00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: that's Harry who was married to Aviva and dated or

702
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: slept with Luann as Sonja and Ramona, and Ramona will

703
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: say not her and I highly doubt that, but he's

704
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: hooked up with several housewives. That is an absolute fact

705
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: in some former fashion. So whether I don't know if

706
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: there was penetration, but it's not my business, but something

707
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: they all hooked up. So Harry's made the rounds on

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00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: this cast and it's death as a person who seems

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00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: like they like to be on camera. The giving of

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00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: the ring seemed forced to I don't know where that

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00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: ring came from it and whose ring that was, but

712
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: it was like it was not they weren't currently dating.

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: It was like those friends you have that you say

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Speaker 1: if we're a certain age where we'll get married, Like

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Speaker 1: it just seemed weird and it did not seem truthful

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Speaker 1: at all, And we'll never know because neither of them

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Speaker 1: would tell the truth about it, but it was definitely

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Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, And it was also kind of boring,

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Speaker 1: honestly because I think because it didn't feel very authentic.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I was not invested in

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00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: that part of the story at all because you didn't

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Speaker 1: believe it and there were no steaks, no no. I

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00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, and whatever. It's a sort of pre

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Speaker 1: ring to a pre ring like it. It seems like

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Speaker 1: with that an e boost, they were hunting for story.

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00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: And to Louanne's point, if you know, Luanna is Luanne,

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00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: and Ramona said at best about lun Luan is the

728
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Speaker 1: one in the group, but if she wanted to go

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Speaker 1: home and hook up with Harry, I highly doubt that

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Speaker 1: Luan at that time thought this was real anyway. So

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Speaker 1: now it's a fake story that everyone's got to play

732
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: along with, not unlike fake businesses that everybody has to

733
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: act like they support and if they don't act like

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00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: they support them, they're bad friends. And they seem to

735
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: be trolled by the audience for not being supportive. But

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Speaker 1: the people on the cast are like, but it's not

737
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: even a real business anyway, So you know, when you're

738
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Speaker 1: on the cast, like that's not real. That's not gonna happen.

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00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: Tipsy girl is not really going to happen. This clothing

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Speaker 1: line isn't gonna happen, the soccer team isn't gonna happen,

741
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: the fragrance isn't gonna happen. And now we look non

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Speaker 1: supportive for thinking that's crazy. So now Luan looks like

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Speaker 1: she's just jumping in the car to sleep with Sonya's

744
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: fake fiance and it's bullshit. Yeah, so it's weird. It's

745
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: a it's a the domino effect of something not being

746
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: true is what we're on there, fake story that comes

747
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: from fake story, absolutely, and it's and therefore it's like

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00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: that was not at all with piqued my interest in

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00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: in in that episode at all. It was just yeah, whatever,

750
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: till Tiller just okay, I was just I was kind

751
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: of um and swalled with um, uh god menopausal brain

752
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: Harry and uh, what's Sonya? Harry and Sonya sitting at

753
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: the table and she's kind of telling him off, like

754
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Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not going to be accepting this

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00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: commitment ring from you, uh and um and and he's

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00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there sweating and red faced, and I

757
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: just thought. I was like, I am really surprised that

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00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: he agreed to this moment. I know, but you don't

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00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: know what he agreed to. She might have just said

760
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: the producers might have said, because I have his number already,

761
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: do you want to just have a lunch with Sonya,

762
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: which he could be sweating. I had a guy that

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00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: I was in a scene with where I was saying,

764
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: because the producers had wanted me to push the storyline forward,

765
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, do you think we'll be moving in together?

766
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: And he really wanted to move in together, but he

767
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: was like, we'll talk about it later because he didn't

768
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: want to be on camera. The viewer thinks that he's

769
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: telling me he doesn't want to live with me, and

770
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: then ended up relating to me thinking I was there

771
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw, which was good for me, and in my

772
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: real moment on that show, I was thinking, I'm embarrassed.

773
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm the loser that the guy that it seems to

774
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: the audience that's gonna watch this like he doesn't want

775
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: to live with me. So I learned ten things during

776
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: that scene alone that they were that they could sympathize

777
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: with you being the loser, but I wasn't really the loser,

778
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: because he did want to live with me, but he

779
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it on camera. So Harry probably

780
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: went to a lunch and he might not be sweating

781
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: because of what she said. He might be sweating because

782
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: of what she just said on camera that he has

783
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: to sort of pretend is real and it's going to

784
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: be baked in an oven and come out and now

785
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about it. Oh that's true. I

786
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: keep like and as much as I know about being

787
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: on reality shows, I forget that this this is the

788
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: way that it sometimes gets manipulated. That's right. Regardless. In

789
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: that party, Kulu sen Um, I felt a little um

790
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: um contemptuous of Harry. I thought, yeah, yeah, really seriously,

791
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: like what who even cares? And why is he getting

792
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: so much air time? Yeah? Yeah, that's the that was

793
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: the top. That's the Tom and Harry. I said, we

794
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: need a dick. We needed Tom dick and Harry you

795
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: completely they need to get a dick on. Well, they

796
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: have a lot of dick on that there's a lot

797
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: of dick that's gotten. We need one Dick's father. I

798
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: think that was the dick. Oh that's was it really

799
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we need yeah, we need we have a Tom,

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00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: we have a Dick, we had forge. I don't remember,

801
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: but you really are you know what, you know more

802
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: than I do, which is frightening. Um, that's because you

803
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: were on the show. My dear and I watched. Yeah,

804
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: you're right. In other related awkward forced fake and by

805
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: the way, you know what, it's good that I we

806
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: watched shows that are like, we're crazy in other ways.

807
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: This wasn't the best Housewives error or episode in history,

808
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: but there's this much to learn from the fakeness because

809
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: the viewers that the listeners here, I want to hear

810
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes too. They don't want us to

811
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: replay a show that they saw, like they want to

812
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: hear what I think, you know, the stuff that they

813
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known. So I find that in another unrelated

814
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: fake storyline scene, we have luserque and I didn't realize

815
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: that was the finale. So now that I'm hold on,

816
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: So now that I'm realizing this was a finale episode,

817
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: this is not a good episode because I was thinking

818
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: this was just a regular episode. Now that I think

819
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: about the fact that this was the finale, that's not

820
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: a great episode because it wasn't even a great final party,

821
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: like a final party. Yeah, it was lame and it

822
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: was weird and it was creepy and it was forced.

823
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: And that's when producers need to find a thread to

824
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: have a party and some everybody always wants to own

825
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the party. But if it's not an interesting enough concept, um,

826
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, or you've given up something else that season,

827
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: so the producers will give you the final party. When

828
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: you get smart, you realize you don't want you don't

829
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: want to own anything. You don't want people in your house.

830
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to have to hold the bag. You'd

831
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: rather just like but in the beginning, everybody wants all

832
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: the attention of my friend's restaurant, my final party. Who

833
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: gives a ship and out of its real Okay, so

834
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: this is a bullshit party. And it was really awkward

835
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: and it was so augumated with all of those with

836
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Soniest team all standing about and looking completely lost and

837
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: like you had literally gotten them out of like very

838
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: separate boxes. Oh my god. Right, like she went through

839
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: a Rolodex and said, anybody who's provided a service. It

840
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: was like Angie's list. She just was like, let me

841
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: look up, a chira practor and acupuncturist, a colonic performer, Yes, yes,

842
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: Reicky bring it in, Yeah exactly, ralphing Reiky acupulcture Electra.

843
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: So fucking weird that it was crazy, You're right, that's so.

844
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: At least we have that, like, at least that's an

845
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: assortment of people. And I kind of wish that they

846
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: would have that we would have almost seen a little

847
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: bit more of this, these awkward interactions because they just

848
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: stood there looking um, you know, like uh, they had

849
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: no idea why they were there and what they were

850
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Right. But in fairness to Sonya and

851
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: at some of the finales, I have seen some of

852
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: her interesting crowd show up, and she is that type

853
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: that is always she is always staying at a different

854
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: wellness hotel and posting about them. She's always doing a

855
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: different type of light therapy, colonic, vegan diet cleanse. She

856
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: is that person. So in fairness, she has interacted with

857
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these people. They don't interact with each other,

858
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and that may not be the grounds for a successful party,

859
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: but to always be fair, these are people that like

860
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: Sonja definitely interfaces with because she tries everything and wants

861
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: to do every new thing, and it reads up on

862
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So yes, Sonya's team and uh and

863
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Sonya's speech which was hilarious. Oh my god, I love

864
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: it when she reads her speeches the exac Ackley, I mean,

865
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: really hilarious. Um. So now we and she's talking on

866
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: this episode. I have my perfume products, and I have

867
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: my soccer team and I have and it's like all

868
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: over the place. And that's God loves Sonja and she's

869
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: fun and wacky and survives and she's always trying something new.

870
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: And I have a soft spot for Sonya and in

871
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: turns is just wonderful. It really is. It's like you

872
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: look at her and you go, yeah, you're not a

873
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Broadway star, actress, model mogul blah blah that I can see.

874
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: But the fact that you believe that you could be

875
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: one at any point, absolutely I agree. And even for

876
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: the show or not for the show, it lands with

877
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: her because she'll be on that show forever, Like there's

878
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: certain people. I think Kyle will be on that show

879
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: for to the end of time. Um, and Kyle will

880
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: be on the show to the end of time. UM,

881
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: And I can see Sonya and Luanne being on the

882
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: show to the end of the time time. I think

883
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: Teresa will be on to the end of time. Vicky

884
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: would have been on to the end of time if

885
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: she wasn't taken up. They're just people that you know

886
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: will be on to the end of time. And I

887
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: don't even mean only because they'll stay on UM, but

888
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: that they won't get fired. Because just another little tip,

889
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: nine percent of housewives that have said that they've left

890
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: have actually been fired. The only people that have not

891
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: been fired and left are myself, Denise, Richard's, Caroline Manzo

892
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: and maybe like one of those Lories or somebody from

893
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: the very beginning on OC. But really everybody else has

894
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: been allowed to say that they are choosing to leave,

895
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: but they've been let go. That's just another little tip

896
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: that's like the business. Like I didn't think it was

897
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: a secret, but maybe listeners out there don't know that

898
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: when somebody is taking UM, it's no longer renewing their

899
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: contract because I'm with their family, right. She just got fired,

900
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: right And that's another note too, because I think Ramona

901
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: recently was like, the show is not really good for

902
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: me right now, and I don't want to be that

903
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't need to be said. Nobody cares, nobody believes it.

904
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: Just let's leave that out. We don't care. Everyone's gotten fired.

905
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just like, well, I got fired,

906
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: and then and then you get the repercussions of that,

907
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: because then that sticks with you, like, oh, she's the

908
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: one who got fired, because who ever get fired. But

909
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: Dorenda turned it into a pause, which is still being

910
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: fired because you were he was not your choice and

911
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: you were let go. And everybody's technically on a pause

912
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: if they might come back. Jill came back for so

913
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: she didn't. Jill didn't if if if Dorenda's definition of

914
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: a pause is that they will likely but having said that,

915
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: they're definitely having her back, then Jill's Aaron. Anybody who's

916
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: left Vicki Tamera, Like, everybody's on a pause, which is

917
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: which is a nice it's frosting, it's frosting covered ship,

918
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: It's it's everyone that was asked to leave, that wanted

919
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: to stay, was fired. Um so yeah, um okay, so

920
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: now let's get to this ship show. So even everybody's

921
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: sitting at the table was just awkward. No one at

922
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: a party. It's like eight people at a table to

923
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: look at one person and talk about what they've done.

924
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: That's like the producers pushing everybody over to talk about

925
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: one thing to one person. It's weird one person saying something.

926
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: Most people don't say exactly what's on their mind in

927
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the moment if you don't like someone at party or not, like, hey, everybody,

928
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I know, let's all go over there and tell Jane

929
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: all the things we don't believe or like about her.

930
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: It's creepy and weird. It was creepy and weird. And

931
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: then the rest of the party, like all the Sonja

932
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: team are like standing around, like huddled around a couple

933
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: of little cocktail tables with no place to sit. Well, awkward. No, well,

934
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: here's what a Housewives party is. Bright lights like you're

935
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: a Chase stadium, no music because the music hasn't been cleared,

936
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: and if it is music, it would be weird elevator music.

937
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: But then the sound person can't hear the people talking.

938
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: So think of this party. It's bright lights like Chase Stadium,

939
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: it's no music, and it's can't four cameras every finale

940
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: standing around a group of people. So the rest of

941
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: the people don't know what to do. If there's like

942
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: a big volcano erupting over to the left, you're standing there.

943
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: You're like, we're not going to go into the burning

944
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: volcano because that would be weird. But we're gonna stand

945
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: there and sort of watch and not know what we

946
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: should be doing at the party. It's hard to just

947
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: have chatter about a blue cheese stuffed olive when there's

948
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: a volcano erupting over there. So it's also creepy and

949
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: weird to begin with, But so that that's how it really, Yeah,

950
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: And then also what doesn't happen most times is somebody

951
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: coming with like X rays in an envelope that that's

952
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: that this is the error where that ship began. At reunions,

953
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: people bringing out notes and texts, like we didn't have

954
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: notes and envelopes. You just lived your life and you

955
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: try to remember and you know, you know, oh, well

956
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: this is the date that you text me, and I

957
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: have the paper and the transcript. It's ridiculous. I did see,

958
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: you know. I didn't even put that together because I

959
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: didn't watch that much longer. I watched when you came back,

960
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: and then nice kind of stopped watching when you left Um,

961
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: so I did. I didn't even really realize that that

962
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: is what is going on now, but well, it's receipts

963
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: bringing receipts. How is receipt How are receipts entertaining? Thank you? Hi.

964
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm Christine Taylor and I'm David Lasher. David and I

965
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: start in a little show in the nineties called Hey Dude,

966
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: and now we're teaming up once again as the host

967
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: of a new I heart podcast, Hey Dude the nineties

968
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: called do you remember the motor rolla flip phone? Do

969
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: you remember going to Blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo sixty four?

970
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember getting frosted tips? Was that a serial? No?

971
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: It was here? Do you remember a O L instant

972
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: Messenger and the dial up sound like Poltergeist? Do you

973
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: remember when we dated? Okay, save that for the podcast.

974
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: We're going to use Hey Dude as our jumping off point,

975
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: but we are going to unpack and dive back into

976
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: the decade of the nineties. We lived it, and now

977
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: we're calling on all of our friends to come back

978
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: and relive it. Each episode will rival the feeling of

979
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: taking out the cartridge from your game boy, blowing on

980
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: it and popping it back in as we take you

981
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: back to the nineties. So listen to Hey Dude the

982
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: nineties called on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts

983
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you. So she's

984
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: bringing what are we gonna do now? Okay, your your

985
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: doctor said you have asthma. And by the way, we

986
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: all know doctors will say anything, and maybe she has asthma,

987
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't. It's not the contents the delivery. She

988
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: had a lot of inhalers, so she must have had asthma. Well,

989
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: any of us who know someone who seems like we're

990
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: not going to diagnose seems like um a hypochontract. And

991
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: by the way, for people saying she has munch houses,

992
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: munch Houses is when you put it on your kids

993
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: and you make every you make your people yeah, okay, yeah, exactly.

994
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: They you're being like a fatalist about everything about other people,

995
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: and it often since you want the sympathy and the

996
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: empathy for one like that's you know, that's the poor

997
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: mother whose child is in the hospital, or whose yes,

998
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: so Munchausen. His kids are other people, but you're like

999
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: getting attention and it's a sickness where you derive some

1000
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: sort of subconscious pleasure from somebody else being sick, like

1001
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: your your crowdsourcing attention, and you you be dramatic about

1002
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: it and you tell and I've known people who have

1003
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: had it and hypochondria. There was a movie about it. Um,

1004
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: what was it with that? There was a movie where

1005
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: the woman sharp objects she was poisoning their child. Look

1006
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: because she because people enjoy they're subconscious of their child

1007
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: being sick. It gives them purpose. Munchausen's offense gives the

1008
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: per person purchad purpose and they think that they're getting

1009
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: attention by saying all these different things. With her, it's

1010
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: hype of it. Seems like she's a bit of a

1011
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: hyper contract with her. She has these ailments. And the

1012
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: language in which she's describing the asthma, that was what

1013
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: was weird. She was like, it's not the asthma, it's

1014
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: the acid reflux that comes with the You know when

1015
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: people do that about food, Well, it's I'm gluten free,

1016
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: but I'm celiac because when I do this, and it's

1017
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: that and I can't process glue tomine And you're just like,

1018
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to know all of this,

1019
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that I'm not compassionate. Shut the funk up. See,

1020
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: I am compassionate, and when somebody tells me that they

1021
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: are suffering, I would take them at their word, and

1022
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: I would be trying to be as helpful and kind

1023
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: and reaching out as I possibly could. But when they

1024
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: started taking advantage of me because of their issues, that's

1025
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: where you start going. Oh, hold on a second. You know, Oh,

1026
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: I can't come and help you at your house because

1027
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: my asthma is kicking up. I can't come on a

1028
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: vacation trip with you because my arm hurts. I can't

1029
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: do this because and how come you're not feeling sorry

1030
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: for me? How come? How come you're being mad at

1031
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: me for not showing up when I'm suffering. Oh so

1032
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: you're saying, um, you're saying it's sort of like water boarding,

1033
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: or they're overplaying their ailment hand, they're being victims there.

1034
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: And then she pushed it and there's a certain sense

1035
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: of entitlement, you know, like I, I'm the one who's

1036
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: suffering here, So how come I'm not getting more applause,

1037
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: which is what she did in the same parts. Well,

1038
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: also know it sounds like a span, but probably. It

1039
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: also just sounds like there's there's nobody in the state

1040
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: of Montana that has asthma. I'm sure there's statistics about so.

1041
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: I think it's also I can't go to restaurants because

1042
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: I have I you know, because I get hives, like

1043
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: I have sooriases. It's like random, Yeah, I can't go

1044
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: to supermarkets because I get anxiety atacts exactly right, Yeah,

1045
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, and you know what that is actually true.

1046
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: But I'm freaking gonna go to the supermarket anyway because

1047
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: otherwise I'm not gonna have any food. And you know,

1048
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: you just kind of sorted out like you you white

1049
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: knucklet or you're just a person that never leaves your house,

1050
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: but you're not on a reality show. But you also

1051
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: don't ask your friends to applaud you for um, you know,

1052
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: stepping inside the supermarket and being like watch me overcome

1053
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: my fear. Oh, pulling focus on the whole thing. That's

1054
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: fair too, that's a great, Okay, great, So this is

1055
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: what I found interesting. This was a very staged episode

1056
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about because this too was like I'm

1057
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: going to because the way she pulled the leg off

1058
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: was so immediate. You had to have a plan for that.

1059
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't think her leg just falls off in dinners

1060
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: like that was like I have. It was like it

1061
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: was a soap. I was like a telenovela. So that

1062
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: and having the combination of the X rays the envelope,

1063
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: the throwing the envelope and having the leg be able

1064
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: to detach so fast and throw it was all so

1065
00:55:53,320 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: fake and that's what people despise H and H left

1066
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: me wondering. I had no I had no qualms that

1067
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: this was a setup, that she she was going to

1068
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: throw her leg, that this like she had this all

1069
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: planned out in her mind. I just wasn't sure if

1070
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: it was maybe nudged by the producers. I know, I'll

1071
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: never know. Somebody edged in there a little bit and said,

1072
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, it would be fabulous. I do think he

1073
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: gets some attention. You know how you could really shut

1074
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: everybody up and like really come off as you know,

1075
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: um uh, you know, it would make you bigger. Oh

1076
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: and also I'm the queen of the one liners, and

1077
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: they always are just immediate. But having a line assigned

1078
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: to a move, the only thing not natural about me

1079
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: is that like having a line assigned to a move

1080
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: like that is very stage and you're right, the producers

1081
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: definitely had something to do with that because they would

1082
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: have to know exactly where the camera would be in

1083
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: that exact instant. And I'm going to say that, yes,

1084
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: the producers probably did that. But the bigger lesson in

1085
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: life is nobody can make it do something you don't

1086
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: want to do, and you definitely shouldn't, oh, unquestionably, but

1087
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I wonder. Okay, so because you obviously you know my

1088
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: reality show lested like one season, um uh. When you

1089
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: are kind of in the middle of this and you

1090
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: have the producers come up to you and go, Bethany,

1091
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: you know what would be really great, like you know,

1092
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: would take her aside and whisper this or do that,

1093
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: um and you know it will make it will make

1094
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: your brand come more alive if you did this, and

1095
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: if you did that, like when, because you're so immersed

1096
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: in it for the months that you're filming it, It's

1097
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of isn't it hard to stay objective and know

1098
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: where your truth is at some point because there's obviously

1099
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: your weaknesses and your strengths. My hand to God, and

1100
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: you can ask every single producer I've ever worked with,

1101
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: what happens is you're pulling up to a scene and

1102
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: they're making you. At the same time, the producer comes

1103
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: into the car and they're saying, Okay, so you're gonna

1104
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: talk to Sonya tonight about her divorce. You're gonna talk

1105
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: to it. They want to give you some notes that

1106
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: they have on their big white family tree board of

1107
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: of of different dramas and things that they have going on.

1108
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: And I'm always like, get out of here, like I

1109
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't need to I don't need

1110
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 1: to be reminded. I know what's going on, Like I'm

1111
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: not that girl. But newer people who want to be

1112
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: successful and have preconceived notions because they've seen Teresa flip

1113
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: a table, and every season there's more elaborate drama that

1114
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: if you watch in the beginning seasons, they didn't exist.

1115
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: Like the biggest thing that ever happened was Kelly saying

1116
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: you know this is you, this is me meaning I'm

1117
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: up here, you're done here. That was like big drama.

1118
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Then later you know, people feel like I've got a

1119
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: flip a table, then throw a leg, then pull someone's

1120
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: extensions out. So if you're coming into a show that's

1121
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: been going on for so many years. You've watched it,

1122
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: You've seen dramatic things. Now you've gotten the show, you've

1123
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: studied it. Because most people pretend they don't watch and

1124
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: then study it before they go on. It's a different

1125
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: type of cast member than someone who just was born

1126
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,479
Speaker 1: into it, didn't know what the hell we were doing,

1127
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: didn't wear makeup, and just like live naturally and normally

1128
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: or is just natural at it. These other people are

1129
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: very staged and they can be influenced by the producers,

1130
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: and you can hear in their interviews lines that have

1131
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: been made up for them or fed to them, and

1132
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: you can even hear it in their taglines. Kristen made

1133
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: some line about like equating her sex life, Well, now

1134
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: my sex life will be spicier too, because whatever she

1135
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: said about the modeling, and that was a producer's line.

1136
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: That wasn't something that came out of her mouth. So

1137
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: it works in many cases, and it works more in

1138
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills because it's such a polished, glamorous show. So

1139
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: that show they can get away with a lot more

1140
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: with outfits and makeup and houses because that's what it's

1141
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: you're expecting. Set ups, set up because you feel like

1142
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing is Yeah, I mean it's it's it's

1143
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: like Barbie World or something. It works better there because

1144
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: everything seems a little plastic. Yeah, So it just it

1145
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: works better there. Anything staged, anything, so hair and makeup,

1146
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 1: it just works better there than it does this show.

1147
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: And in this era, New York is always a little messier,

1148
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: and Orange County is always a little messier. At lant

1149
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: is messier. And I like the messy show is better

1150
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: than the polishy because they show best too, because they're

1151
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: the well, because they're a little bit closer to the truth.

1152
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: Although sometimes the very polished LA version is it's more relaxing.

1153
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: It's like again, like I said, I feel like I

1154
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: learned from the Housewives, and it's from specifically from New

1155
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: York Housewives. I don't learn that much from l A.

1156
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: I just I just look at it and I go, oh, right,

1157
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: the pink roses and the pink couches and the landing,

1158
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: the falcon crusts, your Dynasty, your watch exactly, which is

1159
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: entertaining and why it does so well. But it's a

1160
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: different type of show. They can rely less, They have

1161
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: to make more of an effort and how they look

1162
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: and how they live than what they say and what

1163
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: they do, yes exactly, and what pets they have purchased

1164
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: or saved or yeah exactly. And by the way, I

1165
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: that would be harder for me. Words coming out of

1166
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: my mouth is not hard. Figure out how to like

1167
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: make myself like a Barbie doll every day would be

1168
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: very challenge. Oh my god, that to me is like

1169
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: that would be such a slog like having to hell.

1170
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: That is one of the things that intrigues me about

1171
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: the Hollywood one is that how how perfectly put together

1172
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: they look at all times. And I'm like, oh my god,

1173
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: there's so much work on. What about the and the

1174
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: purse put directly in the camera angle, like the air

1175
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: mes bag every time, right in the camera angle, that

1176
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: a price underneath. It's revolting but fabulous. Um yeah, and fairness.

1177
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: And in credit to them, they were reacting in a

1178
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: way that is kind of like saying that is fake

1179
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: and fucked up and like that's you need help, Like

1180
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: they were reacting properly, like yeah, I like the fact

1181
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: that a couple of them just kind of laughed in

1182
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: heart they just sort of turned laugh. Yeah. It was

1183
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: like but she would her laugh, and I know her

1184
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: Luan's laugh was saying like I can't believe that this

1185
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: just happened. And she's thinking of the producers and the

1186
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: cast like magic, Like she just is laughing, and she's

1187
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: thinking of the fact that it's a finale. So that's

1188
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: a moment, Like they're all thinking ten different things. And

1189
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: there were ten thousand calls the next day to the producers,

1190
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: trust and belief. Ah. Interesting, But but like when I

1191
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: am obviously, when I watched it for the first time,

1192
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: I felt I felt like she it was a definite,

1193
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: like like she came in prepared to do this. She

1194
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: had like her whole narrative in her head. She's also

1195
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: not a great actress, so she didn't carried off making

1196
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: it look like an impulse. You know, she looks like

1197
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: it is premeditation. But it was only rewatching it where

1198
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: I thought it seems like it's been a set up

1199
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: by the producers. This actually seems like somebody needled her saying,

1200
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, it would be really great, and she just

1201
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: maybe she was feeling insecure on a show nobody was

1202
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: nobody liked her. Um, you know, she wasn't doing doing

1203
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: that well in the eatings and she might have thought

1204
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: this will be the one thing that will somehow, you know,

1205
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: pick her up a little bit. Right. Well, I was

1206
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: just going to ask you what you're high and you're low?

1207
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: Was or moments in the show, and I was thinking

1208
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: one of my highs, believe it or not, was seeing

1209
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: the reveal of Carol's apartment. And because people think that

1210
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: I just want to hate on everybody, I want to

1211
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: say something positive. I want to say that she does

1212
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: have good taste and good style, that that apartment looked great.

1213
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: Just a random compliment I'm throwing out. That's a that's

1214
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: very nice of you. And yes, she has amazing style

1215
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: and her apartment looks amazing, although I thought it looked

1216
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: really pretty good before that too. Yeah, I don't. I

1217
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: don't have a great sense of style. So she goes

1218
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: all the way on each piece, which I respect and

1219
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't do. I go for a whole look and

1220
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: it always looks really good. But she like picks each

1221
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: different the wallpapers its own statement, the the lighting fixture,

1222
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: each coffee table, each coaster, every single moment is a statement.

1223
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: And when you're designing a place, I like micessories to

1224
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: do that. But I don't have the time to, like

1225
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: one at a time, pick each thing. I want to

1226
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: kind of get the canvas done and then accessorized. So

1227
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was something to compliment. So, uh, do

1228
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: you have any kind of high or low that you

1229
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: want to mention? Uh? Well, I thought again for me,

1230
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: and I'm still thinking by this the low to me

1231
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: was the book gate thing, like, yeah, well see it

1232
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: affected me, which which is what I'm thinking that maybe

1233
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: Carol wasn't so so far off the mark because I

1234
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: think if you know, like you said, okay, somebody excuses

1235
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: me of plastic surgery, it's so patently obvious that I

1236
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: haven't had any, and it's so proven. But if somebody

1237
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: said your book was not written by you, somebody I

1238
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: heard that there was a ghostwriter on your book, it

1239
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: would hurt. I would take offense to that because that

1240
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: is like my sensitive area, and not because I can't write,

1241
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: because people don't generally give me credit from being able

1242
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: to do anything but look pretty. Oh that's fair. And

1243
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: also you're on a show. You don't know what's coming

1244
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 1: out of the oven. You've just thrown the chocolate chips

1245
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: in and some baking powder and the rest isn't there,

1246
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: and you've gotta wait six months. And your your career

1247
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: has been being a writer, and your financial stability has

1248
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: been being a writer, and you might want to write

1249
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: more books, and you don't have the the reader and

1250
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: the buyer is going to perceive it, so you have

1251
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: to wait. And that's why reality TV is really painful

1252
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: in that way. You just something happened and you're still

1253
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: shooting the scene. So somebody said something to you that

1254
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: you weren't expecting you they pull your pants down in

1255
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the street, and you still have to

1256
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: keep filming as if nothing just happened. So you're doing

1257
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: two things at the same time. You're thinking, you're obsessing

1258
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: inside your sweating. Ramona is amazing at this because she

1259
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: doesn't care what she's just said. She can move out.

1260
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: In my head, I'd be like, you're thinking about what

1261
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: was just said, but you can't get stumped in show,

1262
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: so you have to move forward and say what you're saying.

1263
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna obsess for days and weeks and months

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: about what that's gonna look like later. It's a torturous thing.

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Speaker 1: And I always say they're not getting paid whatever they're

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Speaker 1: getting paid the good ones. It's not even enough. It's torture.

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Speaker 1: People go. And this is why. While we like it

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01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: and it's taught us a lot, one of the things

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Speaker 1: I don't love about housewives is that many women have

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01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: gone on anti anxiety drugs as a result of being

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Speaker 1: on the show to manage and stay on the show.

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Speaker 1: So you now go, you get so that's not is

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Speaker 1: your job that you've chosen to do and get paid

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Speaker 1: for to be in the light. But it's the it's

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01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: the devil because it's got another side to it. So

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: you get to be famous, you get to be in

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Speaker 1: the light, but you have to endure media scrutiny, lies, truths,

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: doesn't matter at all. The skeletons are coming out, and

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: you may have to go on anti anxiety medication or

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Speaker 1: just won't sleep for six months. It's really brutal. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: but then that's that sort of is also belongs to

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01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: the category of just being famous, right like if you're

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: if you suddenly become a public figure, from going from

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, being known around town to being nationally known

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01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: or it is, yes, but I'll challenge you because those

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: some people that are very let's take a mall in

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01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: George for example, versus Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson. Okay, a,

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Speaker 1: Mom and George have chosen the way that they want

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: to be famous. They I know that they're in like Como.

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: You can go and be by their house, etcetera. There's paparazzi, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: But they know them and they're locally known, and they

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01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: find a way to have a quiet life and then

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01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: bust out and go to the met Gala and be

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: as famous in Hollywood as possible when they want to.

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01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: But they can sit back and chill, and other really

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: famous people choose to constantly be in the machine. Being

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Speaker 1: on the Housewives is a different machine. It's like churning

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01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: out junk food every day all the time. And these

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: women take the hit because they want the good and

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: then then they take the bad. When I used to

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01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: go to l A, I'd go out to dinner with

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: Kyle and she want to go to Craigs, and I'd

1303
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: be like, I really don't want to go to where

1304
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: that paparazzi is. I was not born and meant to

1305
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: be famous. I don't want to put on the eyelashes

1306
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: in the makeup and take the picture I don't want

1307
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: to live that cycle. I'd rather do it here with you,

1308
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: and we choose to be here to them be public

1309
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: and this might get picked up in a magazine. It's control.

1310
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it in another type of way.

1311
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: So it's a different genre. Can't hide because because George

1312
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: and Mamal or Kim and whatever, the people that they're

1313
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: on the show with, they're producing the show. So it's

1314
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: not like a daily immediate people that just want to

1315
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: take you down. The Housewives is like you're on a

1316
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: basketball team on the front lines, but the other four

1317
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: people really will only win if you're losing, like in

1318
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: some scenes, So the whole game is like not like

1319
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: we're all going to beat the other team. We must

1320
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: beat each other at all times in some way. And

1321
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: we can pretend we're all friends because we're on the

1322
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: same team. But I must be winning and you must

1323
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: be losing for that scene to win. See they all

1324
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: ganged up against a Viva. I Viva was losing. If

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: they push it too far, she'll be winning. They'll all

1326
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: be losing. The pendulum is always swinging, so it's very erratic.

1327
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: It's different than normal fame. You are, Yeah, you're right,

1328
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Also question being on a reality show

1329
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: and you're like on whatever a lot, right for the

1330
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: four months that you're doing it, and so you're living

1331
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: your life in front of the camera. How do you

1332
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: feel when you get off? Like all you do is

1333
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: talk to everybody else about what happened and what's going

1334
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: to happen. You're in a vicious and some people are worse.

1335
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: I know the exact housewives who talk about a twenty

1336
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: four hours a day, and it's it's it's part of

1337
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: why you want to get off. And then I know

1338
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: and I know other cast members and you go out

1339
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: to dinner with them and it's all you talk about

1340
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: what's going on in your cast their cut. Now there's

1341
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 1: cross gossip and it doesn't matter how intelligent and Carol

1342
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: rads it will you you seem because she's she talks

1343
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: about it as much, if not more than others that

1344
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like. Lu A will talk about it, but

1345
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: not as much as someone like Carol. You know, um,

1346
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: you'd think that Sonya because she's fun and wacky, what

1347
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: what Remona will talk about it way less than someone

1348
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: like like Sonya. Ramona wants to go on the trip,

1349
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: pretend it's a real trip, have fun, then go back

1350
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: to her own life and her shard and with her

1351
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: friends or Pinogregia Sonya. We'll be talking about it twenty

1352
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: four hours a day on camera, off camera, on season.

1353
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: Off season, you call her and like it gets to

1354
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: there and you're like, I don't want to talk about that.

1355
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: Kyle is kind of in it, in and out of

1356
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: it a lot, too, Like different people are at different rates,

1357
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: but everybody is talking about it all the time when

1358
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: you're in that process, And that's one of the things

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01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: I really didn't like all the time. That's like completely

1360
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: life consuming all the time. Anyone who says they don't

1361
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: is lying all the time, and they're texting Andy something

1362
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: just happened, and they're talking to the producers all the

1363
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: time as if the producers are their best friends, because

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01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: that's how they jockey to get good scenes or get

1365
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: things taken out, or push things to be taken in,

1366
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: or make get pet and feel better about what happened.

1367
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: And the producers have to make you feel like it

1368
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad even though it was bad, and make

1369
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: the people you know, it's it's it's it's or that

1370
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: it was really good even though it wasn't good. It's

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: a NonStop cycle of that. So it's they deserve all

1372
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: the money they get because it's twenty four hours a

1373
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: day for those four months, and then they're still doing

1374
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: interviews and then it airs, and it starts all over again.

1375
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: It airs, and it's the media talking about it and

1376
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: the things that your cast made didn't see that happened,

1377
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's a it's a circular reference. It's a nightmare.

1378
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: To be honest, It's okay, you just made it sound

1379
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: completely unappealing to be a part of the cast of

1380
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: the Now. I feel sorry for everybody. Yeah no, I'm

1381
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: just saying they're earning the money they make someone and

1382
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to give special shout outs to people like

1383
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: Erica Jane to Teresa who gone through public things and

1384
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: have been dragged behind a car and been on the

1385
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: ultimate roller coaster, Kyle and Kim and the Kathy and

1386
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: the family drama that comes out, so you have other

1387
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: family members involved that they earned the money they're making.

1388
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: It's a fucking drag and pour Tabasco sauce on the

1389
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: their bodies after they all know it's true. And everybody

1390
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: knows everything I said was true. It's a fact. These

1391
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: are facts. You mean it's not. It's not. It's not

1392
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: word word from the street, word on the stard. It now,

1393
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: these are facts, m are facts. Amazing, Thank you, Paulina,

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: Bye bye