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Speaker 1: crime stories. The latest out of the Colorado courtroom. Three

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Speaker 1: straight out to Ellen Kilauren Crime online dot Com investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Ellen. Start at the beginning, what happened in court? Well,

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Speaker 1: You're hearing the Colorado District Attorney Michael Rourke speaking out

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Speaker 1: about Christopher Watts's guilty plea in court. The family of

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Speaker 1: those related to Shananne Watts, the friends of Chanan Watts

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Speaker 1: distraught while her husband, Christopher Watts, pleads guilty and cries

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Speaker 1: for himself the entire way through it, he knows. To

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, this is what you

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Speaker 1: live and breathe family controversy. You usually not ending in murders,

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Speaker 1: but this one all over an affair is so rare

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Speaker 1: that one not only kills their spouse but their children too. Well.

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Speaker 1: I believe that there was a trifecta of things going wrong.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly a narcissist, he was clearly engaged in significant misbehavior,

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Speaker 1: and then third he just didn't want to own the

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Speaker 1: reality of it all coming to a head. I see

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Speaker 1: this all the time, Nancy, social media all the time.

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Speaker 1: I can get on my sandbox about this, but people

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Speaker 1: real life. To Ellen Kalora and Crime Online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, what role did finances play? Kathleen Murphy, North

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Speaker 1: Carolina family lawyer said, basically, trifecta, a family problems erupted

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Speaker 1: into murder. What about finances? Well, As Kathleen said, it's

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Speaker 1: obvious that Chris Wats was a narciss said, and in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years of schnan Wass's life, she

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Speaker 1: started to become very independent, financially independent, and financially powerful

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Speaker 1: actually declined over the years. We don't know why. So

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Speaker 1: there is a point where she was surpassing her husband.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because he was philandering too much

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Speaker 1: was too busy out having affairs. That's just one observation. Ellen.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very good observation, and we know

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Speaker 1: that that is exactly what was going on. So Chris

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Speaker 1: Watts was not providing for his family. He was only

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Speaker 1: providing for himself, you know. To Vincent Hill, private investigator,

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Speaker 1: of Fall of a Titan podcast, Vincent, listen to this,

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Speaker 1: The district attorney says, quote, I don't know how I

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Speaker 1: could have sat in Sandy, that's Shenan's mom kitchen, and

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Speaker 1: her life to a criminal justice system without any assurance

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Speaker 1: the sentence would ever actually be imposed. That's a really

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Speaker 1: hard thing to tell a victim's family, a murder victims family,

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Speaker 1: that yeah, you might get the death sentence, but it

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Speaker 1: will probably very likely never be imposed. That's hard. Vincent Hill, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a hard conversation Antim Colorado that they do have

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Speaker 1: a very relaxed death penalty if you will, you know,

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Speaker 1: but I gotta give it to the family, to NaN's

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Speaker 1: family to say, hey, we don't want the death penalty,

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Speaker 1: that takes a lot of strength, even in what they lost, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: That takes a lot of strength to say we're not

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Speaker 1: even seeking the death penalty. We want this guy to

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Speaker 1: a testament to the type of people Jane's family is,

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Speaker 1: you know. To Kathleen Murphy, I don't know what this means, Kathleen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink. I'm just a trial lawyer and

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Speaker 1: a mom. But to murder your wife, your pregnant wife,

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Speaker 1: then try to put the blame on your wife, claiming

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Speaker 1: the nanny cams she was strangling them, and then you

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Speaker 1: what level of deception and cruelty and evil is that

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Speaker 1: that you would not only kill your wife with your

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Speaker 1: to blame her she's the bad person. Well, you're the

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Speaker 1: one screwing around. Number one, Nancy, I cannot even conceive

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Speaker 1: I cannot conceive of the pain her parents and her

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Speaker 1: brother must have felt when that information came out of

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Speaker 1: that joke's mouth. Unfathomable. Here's the very latest in the

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Speaker 1: Chris Watts murder trial. Here's Denver seven Thomas Hopo. When

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Speaker 1: Christopher Watts stepped into that courtroom, he had no emotion

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Speaker 1: walking towards his seat, But as soon as the judge

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Speaker 1: And now, with everything that's happened, Shennan's family might be

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Speaker 1: able to move forward and have some closure, move forward

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Speaker 1: and have closure. I don't know about that. You know,

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Speaker 1: then comes along Christopher Watts. I don't know what malice

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Speaker 1: know this, it was all about him and the life

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Speaker 1: he wanted to leave. His wife and little children are dead.

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Speaker 1: He will serve the rest of his life behind bars,

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Speaker 1: unless through some legal wrangling like in Charles Manson when

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Speaker 1: the death penalty was declared unconstitutional and he got life,

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Speaker 1: and then he was possibly up for parole. You never

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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. My only comfort is that

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Speaker 1: Nianne gave her children the happiest life possible. I'm signing off, friend,

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Speaker 1: but I want you to hear the joy and little

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Speaker 1: Bella's voice. Guess what, girls, Mommy has a baby in

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Speaker 1: her belly. Are you guys excited? Yes? Are you really excited?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, don't give me. Oh yeah, the baby? Huh?

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Speaker 1: I love you, Mella. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, goodbye, friend,