WEBVTT - Reynolds Park and Old Town Club 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.240 Today's episode is powered by Tdomeritrade. Every stroke counts on 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.240 the scorecard and every penny counts in the market. That's 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.720 why tedomerior Trade is committed to straightforward pricing with no surprises, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.119 so you're free to swing with confidence. Visit tedomritrade dot 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.520 com slash Fried Egg member SIPC. We are back with 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.320 a new episode of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:29.040 Today. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.320 I am joined by Managing editor of The Fried Egg, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.519 Garrett Morrison. Garrett and I just got back from a 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:40.440 trip through North Carolina and South Carolina. We hit up 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.760 a couple courses and we're going to break them down 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.960 for you today and this will be a two parter. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.080 So in part one we will cover Old Town Club 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:56.520 in Reynolds Park in Winston Salem, and before part three 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:01.000 we jump over to Roaring Gap Aken and Paul Meadow 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:03.040 without further ado. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.520 Here is Garrett Morrison. I miss a green for example, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:07.559 I'm already upset. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.000 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.000 And when I find my ball in a bright Egg 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.920 Friday Egg, the Dreaded Frida Egg Friday frid egg Bright, egg. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:16.959 Frida, egg Bride, egg Lie. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.480 I'm about ready to run off of the. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.560 Garrett. What's happening up in uh Oregon? 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.080 A lot of rain, a lot of gray skies, not 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.000 much golf, but you know, I don't I don't really 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.920 play golf when I'm at home anymore. It's it's just 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:01.280 on trips. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.560 Yeah, that's it's kind of It's not terrible my life too, Yeah, exactly. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.800 I've been traveling a ton though lately, so it's it's been. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.160 It's just nice being home in general. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.239 Yeah, you've been away a lot more than you've been home, right. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.160 Yeah, it's been. It's been bad. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.440 I I'm going to enact a travel ban here in November. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.440 It's gonna be mandatory home time. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.720 So it's Friday travel ban. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, but uh so we uh we were 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.120 together though, we uh playing more Perry Maxwell's. You know, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.400 it seems like the only time we're going to be 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.600 together just playing Perry Maxwell's. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.560 It's not terrible, but it has been a very Perry 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:49.200 Maxwell summer for sure. We've we've traveled to play a 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.680 few of his courses and they've all been awesome. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.320 So yeah, they I mean, I'm in like in a 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.799 deep love affair with Perry Maxwell now, which is it's 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.519 not bad thing, but it's just amazing how few people 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.880 talk about them. I'm just amazed in general. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:09.920 Yeah, why do you think that is? 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.119 I think, you know, the more I more I think 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:20.080 about it, is like he didn't design any golf course 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.559 in New York or California. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.799 Yeah, you think it's as simple, Yeah, don't really get 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:30.320 to them. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.680 I mean it's just like if you compare it to 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.920 like anything like sports or all the coverage goes to 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.800 like the New York teams and the l A teams 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.440 because they have huge markets, right, Yeah, and he didn't 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.320 design anything in Chicago, he didn't design anything in any 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.640 of the biggest cities in the in the country, That's right, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.920 and then nobody gives him the credit he deserves for Augusta. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.480 Very true as well. Right, everybody everybody wants to talk 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.120 about Mackenzie and Bobby Jones there because they're sort of 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.840 romantic figures. But a ton of those greens are are 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.760 Perry Maxwell greens, and they're and they're very very good. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:13.880 Yeah. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:18.159 So we were at before we went to the Thoroughbred, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.160 which was at Aiken and we can talk a little 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:27.039 bit about Aiken and Palmetto. We did Winston Salem, so 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.520 we did Reynolds Park and Old Town Club, and then 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.039 we drove up which are both Perry Maxwell courses. Reynolds 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.040 Park is the municipal golf course in Winston Salem, and 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.359 then we drove up to Roaring Gap, which is at 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.760 Donal Ross in the Mountain. So let's let's just kick 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.880 it off by starting to talk about Reynolds Park. This 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:55.560 was I guess I saw Moresville too in Charlotte, which 0:04:55.600 --> 0:05:00.919 is a dal Ross Chris spent project, which good, you know, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.800 affordable place to play that's close to Charlotte. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.120 You know, I think there. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.000 It's not something I would go out of my way 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.559 to go play, but it's a it's a very good 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:17.080 public option for golf. It it's got really interesting land 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.479 on the front nine, which is the Ross original nine, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.840 and you can just it's the the course added nine 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.039 holes in the sixties. It's really interesting to see just 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.799 the difference in the uh in the routing in terms 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:36.520 of like how intimate and close together the front nine 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.359 is and how it uses the land. And then you 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.159 go to the back nine and it's it's basically like 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.400 cut out of a forest, you know, and every hole 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.080 is its own own hole, own corridor, like you can't 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:50.679 see anything else going around. 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.560 And and I. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.520 Mean you can tell that Chris didn't have a ton 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.680 of stuff to work with on that back nine when 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.080 he was doing his redesign, because the doors were so narrow, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.400 there were homes that had been added, and uh, you 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.680 know it just it was really an interesting juxtaposition and uh, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.200 but but a really nice course, good shape, it's walkable. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:15.600 I would recommend it. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.560 I'd go play there again if I was, like if 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.080 I flew into Charlotte and had an afternoon or if 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.880 I lived there. It's a it's a really good place 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.360 to play for public. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:29.440 Off, right, And that would be that's Morrisville, Moorville, Mooresville. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.920 It's like, it's about twenty five minutes north of Charlotte. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.520 So I need to go back and do a proper 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.880 Charlotte tour. But I just needed something quick in the 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:40.960 afternoon to go see. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.200 And that one checks some boxes, right. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.080 What you're describing just there with the ross nine and 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.080 then and then another nine added to it struck me 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:57.000 as very similar to Thandara, which guest author Colin Chris 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.760 wrote about on our website not too long ago, where 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:07.120 you have this this intimate sort of interlocking routing with 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:12.840 a kind of open plan contrasted with a later nine 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.400 that goes through the woods. It seems like there's there's 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:21.520 not just one place where that's the case. But obviously 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.200 one of them is a little more more fun to 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:23.920 play than the other. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.160 Yeah, I mean, I think you see it all over 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.840 the place too, Like with Langford and Moreau, they built 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.120 a lot of nine hole courses in the Midwest, and 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.680 then you see them add another nine. You know, these 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.760 courses add another nine in the nineteen sixties seventies. You know, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.280 you go down the list, like there's a course in Laporte, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.119 Indiana called Legacy Hills and the front nine is all 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.520 original Langford Moreau and it's really could be something else. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.080 Like it's amazing because I had an old Ariel and 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.840 you can see the shadowing because of how deep some 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.080 of these bunkers were, and you can just see this 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:08.200 like intense shadowing on like a nineteen forty Aeriel, which 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.960 is crazy. And then but then they added a nine. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.040 You know, you got like Race Pond and it weaves 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:22.280 through housing, a housing development, and it's just like that 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.280 covers three times the amount of land that the Front 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.520 nine does, and it's a far less interesting golf in 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:31.840 my opinion, you know. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.640 Right, pretty typical story. So I was in the air 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.880 flying out to Charlotte when you were looking at that course. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:46.480 And the next day we drove out toward Winston Salem, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:51.600 where before going to the Wake Forest Campus, an old town, 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:57.480 we stopped by Reynolds Park, which is a municipal course 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.400 designed by Perry Maxwell. And I think it's safe to 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.720 say that we are both blown away by what we 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.240 found there, right. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.600 Yeah, Yeah, that was I'd been looking at Reynolds Park 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.440 for like two years on Google Maps, and obviously the 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.560 one thing that never shows is topography, and I had 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.840 no clue what we were going to find there, and 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:23.760 I mean it was. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:24.800 It was stunning. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.960 It just jumped to the top of near the top 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.840 or the top of the list of golf courses that 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.000 I want to see restored. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.360 Yeah, ultra dramatic land. There are kind of two general 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.960 sections of the course. They're not separated by nines. It's 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.480 more like there are six holes on one side of 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:51.160 the highway and then there are the other twelve holes 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.200 on the other side. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.960 Yeah, it's like one, two, three play and then you 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.880 cross the road and then it finishes the nine and 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.520 then the back nine all on that other side. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.760 Right and where the back nine is is I think 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.360 where we both started to really see some classic Perry 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.680 Maxwell stuff. The way the holes went right over the 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.520 boldest features in the land. Both sides of the road 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.600 were really cool. I think that there has been more 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.120 modern intervention on the other side of the road with 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:29.679 the front nine, but still just the Obviously it's an 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.280 overused term, but the sheer scale of the land is 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.480 incredibly impressive, and there are some holes out there that 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.839 are just completely unique looking to my eye. It was 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:46.360 really really exciting to see that there. Obviously, it needs 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.160 some work, it needs some support, but what a cool 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:50.720 golf course. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.360 Yeah, it's like one of my favorite things about just 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.280 going to these golf courses, like you never know what 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:57.880 to expect. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.080 And we went there on I think it was Tuesday morning. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:01.640 It was. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.200 It was it was like kind of gray and windy. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.679 Not good light for taking photos, and the. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.200 Course was packed though. It was filled with with golfers 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.880 and yes, and we ended up, we parked and we 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 went over and we were on the on the holes, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.000 the section that holds four through nine, and we just 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.400 started walking around and I think like we got over 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.760 the hill and both of us were just like, holy cow, 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.000 couldn't believe what was like what unfolded down in front 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.400 of us. And you know, you're walking around that side 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.080 I was, you know, in you can see that the 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.920 bunkers have been messed around with. But then you know, 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.240 there were a few greens out there that like were 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.280 distinctly Maxwell greens where you saw his his rolls or 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:48.199 as as as Dunlop White who at Old Town Club 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:53.000 coin muffined in the greens, and it was just like, God, 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.280 how does no way talk about this way like? And 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.600 it's just it just was an amazing place in terms 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.040 of for somebody that dreams about what it could be. 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.040 And I know I'm guilty of being a golf course dreamer. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.560 Well with that one, it's completely legitimate to dream about 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.600 what it could be, because there are a lot of 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:18.280 courses where that dreamers are attracted to where you're just 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.680 never going to get back what was there, and it's 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.480 almost fruitless to try to pursue it, But at Reynolds 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.640 Park you wouldn't really need to do much. It's basically 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.600 all still there. I think a lot of what the 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.520 course needs probably has to do with deferred maintenance. But 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.440 it's a cool course already and there's not much that 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.439 would need to happen to it in order to make 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.800 it instantly one of the best municipal courses in the 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.959 country in my opinion. But yeah, the greens, a lot 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.280 of the greens are still there. In fact, it's stunning 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.439 some of the stuff that's still there because there's some 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:01.280 really there are some really quirky moves in that design, 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:07.320 and a lot of that is intact, maybe because somebody 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:12.040 just preserved it or maybe through a process of benign neglect. 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.040 But when you walk around, you really see what that 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.880 design was. It was funny. I was out there, you know, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.640 looking at the back nine and just taking some photos 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.760 and really getting into it, and I was approached by 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.920 the superintendent of the course, a guy named Ryan mcclannon, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.400 and he asked me what I was doing, and I 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.200 told him, and he was really really nice guy, and 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.520 he was like, yeah, I was just afraid that, you know, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.000 we've had some problems recently with kids coming out here 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.000 and playing Pokemon Go, and I was wondering if you 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.520 were one of those people. But once he found out 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.000 what I was doing, he was super welcoming and we 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.320 were totally free to just kind of walk around the place. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.920 But that's kind of the vibe of the place, very casual, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:04.400 and it's it's part of the community. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.079 Said for Pokemon Go apparently. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.560 Yeah, not only is it. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.920 A you know, something that could be great golf course, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.760 it also is a you know, regular spot for people 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.600 searching for Pokemont. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.520 Right yeah, who needs foot golf when you when you 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.720 have a Pokemon venue. 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.560 It's uh but uh yeah, the that uh that place 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.600 it was I think both of us were walking around 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.720 that that one side, the first side we were on, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.080 which is four through nine, and we were like, this 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.840 is unreal. And I personally was expecting to cross the 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.440 road and see something like way different and and uh 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.680 and it turned out to be like way better, world's 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:47.800 better on the. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.760 Other side of the road, right. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.560 Yeah. We thought we had seen the good stuff when 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.240 we saw the front nine or the six holes on 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.680 that side of the road, but the good stuff really 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.320 is on on the other side that the tenth hole 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:06.040 out there, the seventeenth hole, just going over these big contours, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.280 these kind of waves in the land that you see 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:14.400 Maxwell going directly over on a lot of his best courses. Yeah, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.360 you can. You can see the routing, you can see 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.760 the holes as they were designed. It's a pretty exciting place. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.480 So, yeah, there's a there's a spot where the kind 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.760 of the low point on that side of the land 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.880 is in is in the corner of the property, and 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.960 both the thirteenth and the seventeenth play down into it 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.440 from different angles, and the greens are just benched one 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.560 on top of the other. The thirteenth sits just slightly 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.840 above it on a ridge, and then the seventeenth place 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.080 under it down on another ridge, and it's just like 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.040 that spot, I'm just like holy, like you know, that 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.480 was where I turned and looked at I was just like, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.960 my god, I cannot believe this place exists. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.000 Yeah, it's Yeah, it was great. I'd love to go 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.480 back there actually and and dig in some more, but 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.560 we might have some stuff coming up on that. We 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:13.120 did get some pictures and and hopefully i'd be able 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.560 to all be able to write something about it eventually. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.720 Yeah, we got to figure out when that what's going 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.360 on with the management situation, because it's it's just a 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.560 place that it's begging for restoration. And you talk about 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:31.920 all the great municipal courses and I mean, I guess 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:37.200 to put it into perspective for somebody, is it's got 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:45.160 it's got land, like the land is could be is 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.520 very similar to Bethpage Black's land, but it's Perry Maxwell 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:51.360 with really interesting greens. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.320 Like in terms of the. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.680 Muscular it's not you know, it's not as expansive in 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.680 the routing how Bethpage Black covers just a ton of property. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:02.640 It's more intimate. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.080 But in terms of the movement and the and the 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.879 ridges and the and you know, you're hitting up and 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.200 you're hitting you're teeing off from let from ridges down 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:19.720 and hitting down. In terms of the sheer up elevation movement, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.919 it would be it would be similar to that, but 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.800 in a much more intimate setting for golf, where you 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.840 especially if they did to re removal you, I mean, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.239 you'd see all across the golf course on the on 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.600 the from holes one through three, and uh and nine 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.879 through eighteen, you'd see you could see everybody basically everywhere. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.919 Right, Yeah, And when when Jeff Shackelfer talks about how 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.920 one of the great things that the USGA could do 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:55.160 would be to help generate funds to restore and renovate 0:17:55.680 --> 0:18:00.600 great city municipal courses, I think Reynolds Park is absolutely 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.280 the perfect candidate for that because, as I said earlier, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.800 you wouldn't have to do much. The land is still there, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.679 the routing is still there, many of the greens are 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.240 still there. It would just take a little bit to 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.840 push that place over the top. I can think of 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.919 a few other courses and a few other cities that 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.240 are similar and would benefit similarly from that kind of program, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.960 but Reynolds Park really is the perfect example of of 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:29.280 course that would benefit from that. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.960 A place that reminds me too, like that in that 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.400 same vein would be there's a Stanley Thompson designed sleepy 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:42.879 hollow in Cleveland that's unbelievable too, like similar, similar state 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.520 where it's just sitting there and you know, really great 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.320 land and really great design. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:49.600 That's just it's just. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.080 Because nothing ever happened really bad, it's still just there, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.560 you know, which is you know we talked, I talk 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.560 to so many architects that have said that, like, sometimes 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.080 the best thing that can happen is never having money 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.520 to screw it up. In Reynolds Park, it probably falls 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:10.320 into that bucket. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.560 Yeah, definitely. Isn't there a municipal ross course out in 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:15.360 Cleveland as well? 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.480 Yeah, Manikiki, it's really good. I think Sleepy Hollow. I 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:24.160 Sleepy Hollow's got a lot more potential, but they're both 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:25.160 really really good. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:26.360 Like where. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.720 I always think of it this way as like if 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:35.040 you if they if they turned into a private club 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.800 and got to do a restoration, like, man, there's a 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.879 chance Sleepy Hollow would be the best course in all 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:41.520 of Cleveland. 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:49.320 Yeah. Well, there was a time when a lot of 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.960 the best terrain for golf around cities was used for 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.080 municipal courses. Right, There was a time when these tracks 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.920 of land that had huge potential specifically for golf were 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.200 actually devoted to golf. And that time is not that 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.680 that's no longer the time we live in, right, we 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.160 have to look elsewhere for that land now. But that's 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:18.960 why these municipal courses, these city courses built in the 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.240 nineteen twenties and especially in the nineteen thirties and the 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:26.960 air of the works progress administration are so valuable, such 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:32.119 great resources for the golf world because so many of 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.040 them are built on pieces of land that we would 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:39.240 just the public would no longer have access to anymore. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.520 And there and they're still there. They just need a 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.119 little bit of help, a little bit of capital, a 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.440 little bit of support. And that's definitely easier said than done. Yeah, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.240 there's going to come from before. Yeah, that's and that's 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.480 tough in city government, right, it's not a people are 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.560 dealing with really immediate and I'd sympathize with the city 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.440 governments are dealing with a lot of really immediate problems. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.879 I mean, I think if you're a council person in 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.000 the Cleveland area, are you really thinking about golf all 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:13.480 that much? Maybe not, or in Winston Salem for that matter. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.160 But I think that that if you take the long 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.680 view and you see the potential of these places, that 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.520 that kind of work on golf courses, that sort of 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.320 input could be a real value to many communities. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.520 Yeah, I think there's an opportunity. I think if if 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.119 this cop trick thing goes well, which I did a 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:41.640 podcast on with Joe Bosh and Mike Serba, and Philadelphia. Yeah, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.720 where they've done where they've gotten the they've gotten a 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:49.199 private lease and it's privately funded and you know, but 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.480 it's going to remain essentially run like a municipal would 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.040 be run in the census for the people. I think 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.840 if that can be a big, smashing success, it could 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.160 really changed the future for a lot of these places. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:05.520 Yeah, domino effect. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.760 Yeah, and I think we'd hope for Yeah. 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.440 And also you know, Washington, d C. With East Potomac 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.200 would be another example. 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.919 All Right. The hope is that we've seen in the 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:23.840 past fifteen to twenty years a restoration movement in the 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.720 private club sector, and the hope is that that would 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:32.880 move eventually to public access golf. But that's a very 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.000 difficult transition. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:42.520 Now for a quick word from our sponsor. This weekend, Kayleie, 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:46.880 missus fried Egg, took her first golf lesson up in Cohler. 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.080 I was quite worried. 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:53.960 It was very brisk afternoon and she doesn't do well 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.359 with the cold, and she was nervous about the golf lesson. 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.679 I was more nervous about the weather. 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