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Speaker 1: This guy. ESPN's senior NFL draft analysts mel Typer Jr. Who,

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Speaker 1: five nine hundred and sixty pounder, but a bigger receiver

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Speaker 1: at over six feet. Now, the little guys got another

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown in this draft to tow At Well from Louisville.

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Speaker 1: Very similar if you want to comp to Hollywood Brown.

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Speaker 1: Ryndale Moore. I love. Marie Rogers is a slot receiver

429
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Speaker 1: come out of Clemson. His father Ki Martin. You know

430
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Speaker 1: about him with the raven former quarterback at Tennessee. I'm

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Speaker 1: watch out for a Marii Rodgers in round two. A

432
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Speaker 1: fast riser as Semi Fihoko at Stanford was the main

433
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Speaker 1: target for Davis Mills, who has risen up boards into

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Speaker 1: the second round. Quarterback there Shy Smith from South Carolina

435
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Speaker 1: is a good slot I Dwayne Escrits from Western Michigan cornerback,

436
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. They're settled in at a good Senior Bowl week. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'mnro St Brown from USC is another one saved surat

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Speaker 1: wake Forest. Another one Nico Collins Michigan, Josh Palmer Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: K Johnson South Dakota Stating and Mark west Stevenson Houston

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Speaker 1: and does Fitzpatrick Louisville not to mention Jonathan Adams Arkansas State,

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Speaker 1: Austin Watton's junr U A b uh. You know Trey

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Speaker 1: von Grimes Florida. I love to Mary and Terry as

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Speaker 1: a late round steel at a Florida State and went

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Speaker 1: back and looked at him from twenty nine nineteen and

445
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Speaker 1: he looked really good, even dating back for years before that.

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Speaker 1: So there's some guys. I think, because of this draft

447
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Speaker 1: being so deep, Dax Milling from b y U is

448
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Speaker 1: gonna be a Day three guy. There's gonna be Steeles

449
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Speaker 1: in this draft. To Jalen Darton, I haven't mentioned that

450
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Speaker 1: North Texas as a slot guy. Watch out for him,

451
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Speaker 1: very explosive player. So I don't know, mean guys, I

452
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Speaker 1: just mentioned how to be Wepperds with twenty five. I

453
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Speaker 1: think it seems like it seemed like fifty, but there

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Speaker 1: you go. You know, power from Clempson, the others, the

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Speaker 1: other receiver. You know that was a lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. I mean, how many wide receivers I could

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Speaker 1: keep talking about. And that's where NFL teams have to

458
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Speaker 1: sift through this figure out what do we need a slot.

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Speaker 1: Do we need the next What do we need here?

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Speaker 1: You know, what are we what are we looking for?

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Speaker 1: What are we gonna roll the dice on the guys

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Speaker 1: lou in consistent but as upsider, get the guy that

463
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Speaker 1: could be a consistent guy catching the ball. You got

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Speaker 1: the the guys that could be possession types as well.

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Speaker 1: So you got Das Newsome at North Carolina. You got

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Speaker 1: a guy like Ben Scronic at Notre Dame. I can

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Speaker 1: mentioned Dax Miller, b Y U Warren Jackson, Colorado State,

468
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Speaker 1: Marlon Williams U c F, Isaiah McCoy Kent State. I

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Speaker 1: like Jacob Harris at u c F. I thought here

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Speaker 1: was a kid who could be a late round, undretted

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Speaker 1: free agent steel You watch him in certain games he

472
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Speaker 1: finally put it all together. You know, stool sport guy.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Harris from u CF. Watch out for him. K J.

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Speaker 1: Stefferson Notre named early ends up to Jacksonville State. Watch

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Speaker 1: out for him. So Jalen Camp Georgia Tech, Trey Walker,

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Speaker 1: San Jose State. What fill you're in the anna? All

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Speaker 1: these names guys are draftable. Mike Stracking from Charleston, Blake Pearl,

478
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Speaker 1: Ricky parl Is getting the East Carolina. I mean, I

479
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Speaker 1: had never ever seen a wide receiver group, and I

480
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Speaker 1: have to thought to Todd about this. I've never seen

481
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver group this talented, in this deep we

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Speaker 1: have seven picks. I'm thinking seven wide receivers the way

483
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Speaker 1: you're talking about heck here, sure take advantage of it,

484
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Speaker 1: but but kess what got it? Also correlates the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna real off fifty names here, but the

486
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Speaker 1: offensive line is very deep as well. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: if you need a corner, it's a good year to

488
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Speaker 1: get one there. But the Ravens obviously from the offensive line,

489
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Speaker 1: standpoint wide receiver and some past rushers that I think

490
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Speaker 1: are pretty good. Patrick Johnson from Tulane. Watch out for

491
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Speaker 1: that kid in the third or fourth round. He could

492
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Speaker 1: be a really good pick out a ton of sacks.

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Speaker 1: I love his spin move as athleticism. Cameron Sample and

494
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Speaker 1: the d line from Tulane is gonna be probably the

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Speaker 1: third round pick. So the Greenway, You're gonna supply the

496
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Speaker 1: NFL with two good defensive players and Cameron Sample and

497
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Speaker 1: also Patrick Johnson. So melis there's you know, a hundred

498
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Speaker 1: and fifty drafts more receivers that you just mentioned there

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Speaker 1: and the Ravens have the need there are is this

500
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Speaker 1: a year where the Ravens are more likely to trade

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Speaker 1: back and accumulate picks. I mean they've done that in

502
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Speaker 1: the past. Eric A Costa loves picks. How confident I

503
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Speaker 1: guess would you be on? I guess give us a

504
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Speaker 1: scale one intended to cost the trades back in the

505
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Speaker 1: first round, adds picks, and then you know it has

506
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Speaker 1: those to play with. They really like to do because

507
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Speaker 1: they can make those picks count. And then I think

508
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Speaker 1: if you get an offer, say somebody wants to go

509
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Speaker 1: up and get at Davis Mills, the quarterback at Stanford,

510
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Speaker 1: which can't happen in the late first round, or they

511
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Speaker 1: fall in love with players at the end end of

512
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Speaker 1: the first round because teams reevaluate the boards and they

513
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Speaker 1: get into Day two, which I was all start until

514
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Speaker 1: you know, on Friday evening late, right, so you got

515
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Speaker 1: the whole day next day, teams get a little fearful

516
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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna lose, that I'm not gonna get that

517
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Speaker 1: guy in the mid second or the late seconds. Let's

518
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Speaker 1: go up and get them, Okay. So that's why that

519
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Speaker 1: lead first round pick has a lot of value. Uh So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say it's a I'd say it's a six

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Speaker 1: seventy percent chance of the Ravens move off of that

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Speaker 1: pick if the right guys are still around and they

523
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Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, we've got three or four guys we

524
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Speaker 1: like we can get one of them by moving down,

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Speaker 1: why not and then pick up some extra choices. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think based on the way this board could fall, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think there's more than a fifty percent chance that

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Speaker 1: they would trade out of there. Well, another another position

529
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Speaker 1: or another way, the Ravens could get a pass catchers

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Speaker 1: at tight end. And you know how much they love

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Speaker 1: their tight ends, you know, especially they trained to Hayden Hurst.

532
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Speaker 1: You know, they didn't really replace him. You know, are

533
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Speaker 1: there a good tight end fits that you see on

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Speaker 1: day two? You know, day three? Yeah, I think day

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Speaker 1: two you'd be looking at Hunter Long from Boston College,

536
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Speaker 1: a round of four, six, three forty on the heels

537
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Speaker 1: of a really good career after you know about guys

538
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Speaker 1: six five to fifty five. He's a traditional tight end.

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Speaker 1: I said today Todd and I were doing TV. I said,

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Speaker 1: if this was Hunter Long, is the top fifteen top

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Speaker 1: twenty pick in the first round because that was you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're looking for a traditional throwback tight end at

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Speaker 1: a Boston College, Hunter Long, I think he's a second

544
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Speaker 1: round pick. I haven't into Jacksonville. There's a little method

545
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Speaker 1: to that madness because they need a tight end. Plus

546
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Speaker 1: you have the connection with Ohio State, which have Halfley

547
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Speaker 1: and and Urban Meyer. Halfley raves about the Hunter Long,

548
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Speaker 1: So I think Hunter Long in the second round. Pat

549
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Speaker 1: Friar Muth Penn State probably second or early third. God

550
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Speaker 1: it's moved up a little bit. Cup guys. Zach Davidson

551
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Speaker 1: in Central Missouri has the length and the speed to

552
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Speaker 1: stretch at the middle. He's more of a fifth round pick,

553
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Speaker 1: but he's pleased the one going boards now. Trey McKitty

554
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Speaker 1: from Georgia formerly a Florida State, is an interesting guy.

555
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Speaker 1: John Bates Boise State had a nice Senior Bowl week

556
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Speaker 1: at when the heels of a pretty good season. Kenny

557
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Speaker 1: Ya Boah went templed old myth and he can get

558
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Speaker 1: down the field. He's kind of work, looks more like

559
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver playing tight end. And Brevin Jordan from

560
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Speaker 1: Miami as a guy can can catch the ball and

561
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Speaker 1: then go twenty yards after the catch, and then Tommy Trambell.

562
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Speaker 1: If you want a blocker who's gonna drop some balls.

563
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Speaker 1: Little it fights the football at times, but he'll block

564
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Speaker 1: like a full back. He'll give you a tremendous effort.

565
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: Hopefully imp improves catching the football more consistent lakes. But

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Speaker 1: the best tight end in this draft is Tommy Tremble

567
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Speaker 1: from there Day Ravens like blocking, yeah for sure, So

568
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: so last one here from Emile, this is obviously a

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Speaker 1: weird year. Um. During the pre draft process, no combine,

570
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Speaker 1: you know, you talked about how Pro day times can

571
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Speaker 1: be a little bit tricky to kind of figure out

572
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Speaker 1: what the true numbers are on those Do you think

573
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Speaker 1: that because of all that and also just scouts weren't

574
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Speaker 1: able to go out and watch games as much, shortened season,

575
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Speaker 1: all those things, do you think that there will be

576
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Speaker 1: more misses as a result of all that this year?

577
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Speaker 1: But could that also benefit the Ravens because the Ravens

578
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Speaker 1: have such a strong personnel group where they're looking at

579
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Speaker 1: guys and they have great relationships that they can lean

580
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Speaker 1: on in a weird year like this great question. I

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Speaker 1: I think I called it in August the most mysterious

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Speaker 1: draft ever. And I've been doing it for forty three years,

583
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Speaker 1: so that's a long time and it's not in an exaggeration. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: with COVID, the youth had a season that was interrupted.

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Speaker 1: Chips had to deal with this and the testing and

586
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Speaker 1: the changing schedules and not knowing if you're practicing who

587
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Speaker 1: you're playing when you're playing. It was just the a

588
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Speaker 1: weird year in a tragic year. And I think when

589
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: you look at uh, you know where these teams are,

590
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: they have less informational employers than they've ever had, and

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00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: you know they want more, they got less, And it

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Speaker 1: was just that that's a noble combine. Like I said,

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00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: these pro days skew everything because you don't have apples

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Speaker 1: apples anymore. So it's unly. You can't compare the numbers

595
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Speaker 1: of players this year at the numbers from ten years

596
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: ago like you normally could, because you don't have that

597
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Speaker 1: that historical you know base, you don't you can't use

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Speaker 1: anymore because pro days are always few. Positively, so to me,

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be uh, like I say, as mysterious

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Speaker 1: as any other. To answer the question, yes, there probably

601
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: will be some mistakes or mistakes every year. But I

602
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: think that's why teams are prioritizing next year's prospects. In

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00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: three prospects. In these trades, you saw those teams worry

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Speaker 1: about getting picks in twenties three because that will be

605
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: years that are more back, they hope, than normal. So

606
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: you can have a better idea of who you're taking.

607
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: You have more information on those players. You have all

608
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Speaker 1: star games other than the Senior Bowl, you have a

609
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Speaker 1: combined work workout, you have a normal year. You can

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Speaker 1: actually see players and be there on campus. These opt

611
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: outs that these kids didn't play an opt that out.

612
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: You had no contact with any of those kids during

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Speaker 1: the year, zero contact where you allowed. So for me, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm really anxious to see when you get

615
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Speaker 1: into the second round. Well, team say, okay, you give

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Speaker 1: me a higher pick now you're gonna if you're in

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Speaker 1: the third, give me a two next year. If you're

618
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Speaker 1: in the fourth, give me a three next year. I

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Speaker 1: think if they can get that higher pick in next

620
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Speaker 1: year's draft, some teams maybe inclined to do it. And

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Speaker 1: as you guys, though, teams fall in love with players.

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Speaker 1: You can always find teams that are gonna want a

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Speaker 1: player no matter what. They're gonna say, Oh, we got

624
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: a top top fifty grade on this kid, and here

625
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Speaker 1: we are. We can get them at a bargain point.

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Speaker 1: Let's give up that pick next year, and other team's

627
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, if you want it, you can have it.

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00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: Give us a three instead of where we are now

629
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Speaker 1: in the fourth. You give us at three, you can

630
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: you can make that move. So I'm anxious to see

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Speaker 1: how much activity we get from that standpoint once we

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Speaker 1: get passed round two. Interesting and the last one from email.

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Speaker 1: You know, COVID obviously impacted us in a lot of ways. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it impacted a lot of haircuts. The impact my haircuts?

635
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Speaker 1: What did you do during COVID for the classic milk

636
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Speaker 1: Kiper haircuts? Did you have to get that cut at home?

637
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Speaker 1: Would you do? Now? That's like, do you know what

638
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Speaker 1: you must have? It must be a psychick because you

639
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Speaker 1: understand what goes on here now. My my cousin is

640
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Speaker 1: a professional hair stylist. Okay, Dennis Kuiper does a great job.

641
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Speaker 1: Is in anterrunto County in Annapolis? Does phenomena? What the

642
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Speaker 1: best haircut called? Dennis Keiper? Okay, he's he's phenomenal. Kim

643
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Speaker 1: Keiper Kim only second to Kim Kiper who cut my

644
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Speaker 1: hair all these years. You know, Dennis started then he

645
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: started to cut my hair recently and I'm back now

646
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: Kim because it was what coke. Kim started cutting it again.

647
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: So it went from Kim to Denny, back to Kim,

648
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Speaker 1: and he'll be back to Denny probably again soon. But um,

649
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Speaker 1: it's it's Kim. It's all Kim. Now it's not much left,

650
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: guys that the hair is going going gone. It's thinned

651
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Speaker 1: down dramatically. It's not what it used to be. I

652
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it ever was anything special, but it's

653
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Speaker 1: certainly not what it was. So it's it's way down

654
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Speaker 1: the board now it turns of hair nobody saw. Nobody's

655
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: even talking about to day more. Which is a good thing,

656
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: right because that's all they talked about back in the

657
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: day when it was really long. And that'll lack. But

658
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: it's it's now. It's now. It's now as cemented down

659
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: as it's ever been, thanks to l A books, thanks

660
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: to Just for Men. It's not as great as it is.

661
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes looks great, another's sometimes it's dark and that's

662
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: because of just for men. So I'm adjusting to the times. Guys,

663
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: when you hit sixty one, you go with just Hey,

664
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: it's still a priority free agent for me. No, no, no,

665
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: for always. At least it's a priority, right, it was

666
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: always that was. At least that's a it's a camp.

667
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: At least I can get the camp, right. Yeah, that's right,

668
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: you get an invite. It's awesome. No, hey, it's really

669
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: good to catch up. He has a great insight. This

670
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun and uh gravs fans. Obviously

671
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: you can catch you on ESPN Mel as ESPN Senior

672
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: Draft analysts. Also make sure you check out his podcast,

673
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: First Draft Podcast, along with Tomm shade Field Yates. So

674
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: now always fun to catch up and really appreciate your time. Yeah,

675
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: one more plug. I gotta plug Darry and Mel. Darry

676
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't like it if I didn't plug Darry and Mel

677
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: show every Saturday morning from end to one Eastern on

678
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: ESPN Radio. YESPN Radio dot com. So if you want more,

679
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: if you want to hear about reivers listening, well, thank you,

680
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know how many more wide receivers. Uh,

681
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, we can take this year but it sounds

682
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: like we got a millions Jews from I started taking notes,

683
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: and first of all, I couldn't keep up. I mean

684
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: I got like two names down and then I just

685
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: couldn't keep up. And it was completely off track because

686
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: I was trying to get some nuggets there from my mom.

687
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: It's it's now the time, two weeks away where I'm

688
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: really starting to think about the seventh round mock and

689
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: you start thinking about some of those third, fourth, fifth

690
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: round picks, you know, and it's he's rattling off so

691
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: and so from Whitewater, Wisconsin in different places. I'm like, Okay,

692
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: here we go. Here, here's a small school guy. I'm

693
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: gonna have some insight. And it was impossible to keep

694
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: up with. So I'm gonna I personally, I'm gonna have

695
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast again to get some infill

696
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: from my second round mock. So who do you who

697
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: do you have between Terrorist Marshall and Rashad Bateman, because

698
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: that seems like the question number one these days for

699
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: Ravens fans. That's the debate. I like Terrorist Marshall more

700
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: than Bateman. In the first round, Um, I think that

701
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: production was there. I know that Mel talked about can

702
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: kind of throw out last season for Bateman and and

703
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: maybe that's fair. Um. I also, and I don't know

704
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: how much sock you put into this. I like the

705
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: L s U pedigree at wide receiver. Obviously there's not

706
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: this great Minnesota pedigree wide receiver. Does that really matter?

707
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I put some stock into it. Um,

708
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: I think both are It's it's to me, it's not

709
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: a coin flip. I give Marshall a little bit of

710
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: an edge over Bateman there. You know, when we had

711
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Jeremiah on last week, he talked about how he has

712
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Marshall at like thirty seven and Bateman was forty eight

713
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: on his big board, so he had a fairly significant

714
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: gap between the two of them. Um, So I would

715
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: leave Marshal. What about you? I don't know, and I

716
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: don't want to tip my hand to you. Uh, you're

717
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: not gonna say this is what you start playing games

718
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: and trying to throw smoke screens out there. I am

719
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: committed to who I want to take now. I'm not

720
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna tell you exactly who I'm gonna take, but whatever

721
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: games you play isn't gonna affect me. We all know

722
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: who you're gonna take. You're gonna take tervice Marshall and

723
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: probably nail it again. I'll probably nail it again. That's

724
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: what you're gonna take. You just see, that's your thing.

725
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: You just take like the guy who's the most popular

726
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: pick that everybody else is putting out there. You're you're

727
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: just a living. You're a living. Just follow the herd,

728
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: that's what you do. See. I'm bold, right, I'm like

729
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: a I'm like a zebra. Man, I got these bold

730
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: stripes I am. I You are a living. So that's

731
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: who you're taking. Yeah, yeah, I got news for you, buddy.

732
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: The goal here isn't to be bold when you're putting

733
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: out seven unlock. The goal is to get it right.

734
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: And I get it right a lot more than you do. No, No,

735
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: that's I just got it right last year. You gotta

736
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: right last here. Um anyway, Yeah, that my sleepless nights

737
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: have begun. I'm getting Nancy. I'm nervous putting a lot

738
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: of thought into this. Uh and Mel, well, I'll drop

739
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: some knowledge, so I think you know, I'll take some

740
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: of those suggestions for sure. Honestly, the biggest takeaway from me,

741
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm mel real quick before we before we close here.

742
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: And also I want to remind everyone you can email

743
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: us at the lounge at Ravens NFL dot net and

744
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: let us know what questions you have for us and

745
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: also for him the other guests we're gonna have before

746
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: the draft. But I thought his point on Jalen Phillips

747
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: was one of the more interesting ones. That was that

748
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: one caught my attention. I I would definitely agree with that. Yeah,

749
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's because that's really what I'm grappling with,

750
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: right if you're not going wide receiver, like you're probably

751
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: going pass rusher in the first round, and which guy

752
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: is it? You know? Like that the tough part is,

753
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: like Mel said, there's a million wide receivers, like you

754
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: can get these guys late and now at some point,

755
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: like I'm like, all right, I just want to go

756
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: get another first round guy like the Ravens need that.

757
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: You know. I think that there's some validity of what

758
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Mels saying, like you know what what free agent wide

759
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: receiver you're gonna get? And is it even wise to

760
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on wide receiver and free agency?

761
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: So like the way to kind of uh, you know,

762
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: kill two birds with one stone in that regard is

763
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: to draft guys. And I do think as much depth

764
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: as there is a wide receiver like the Ravens don't

765
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: need more depth and wide receiver. They need like another stud, right,

766
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean they already have they have Boykin, Duverne Proche,

767
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, And I like, I still am eager to

768
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: see what those guys are going to turn into. But

769
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: like I think long term, and and Hollywood is now

770
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: going into his third year, you know, you need another stud.

771
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: And and so I do like the idea of getting

772
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: one in the first round. But if you're if you're

773
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: not going to do that because of the depth, and

774
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: you say, hey, we can get a great guy in

775
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: the second or third round. Well, now, which pass rusher

776
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: is it? That's the question? Is it as oh way

777
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: you know? Or is it Allen Phillips. I think that's

778
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: the question. Well, Jalen Phillips and and Mel talked about this,

779
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and and again Jeremiah talked about it as well. He

780
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: would be a guy that all of sudden it's it's

781
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: falling and it's like whoa, Okay, you know, I don't

782
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: know where he's gonna end up on his big board,

783
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: but Jeremiah had him top ten, same Mel hasn't top fifteen.

784
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: And he's one of those guys, you know, as they're

785
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: sitting there on draft night and they're sitting around the

786
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: desk and they got the best available and they showed that.

787
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, we're at pick number twenty three and the

788
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: and this, how is this guy still best player still

789
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: on the board. I can't believe Phillips is still out here.

790
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: He could be a fit. And then all of a sudden,

791
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens get him, and then everyone says,

792
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: this is a classic Ravens pick. This guy is gonna

793
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: be a great fit there, Like that could happen. That

794
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: would not shock me if it played out that way,

795
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: especially because of his history. I mean the guy retired

796
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: from football, right, I mean, he was out of college

797
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: football a little while. Because it's it's not it's injuries too,

798
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: with the concussions. I mean, that's gonna give some owners

799
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: and gms when you're on the clock that that could

800
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: give some guys some pause, like do we want to

801
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: take a guy who has some concussion history here, you know,

802
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: who stepped away from football entirely for a period. You know,

803
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: like there's there's some question marks there, especially in a

804
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: year where you didn't have as many as throw of evaluations,

805
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: you probably didn't have, you know, many opportunities to talk

806
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: to this guy to really get a great feel for

807
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: him as a person and where his heads at and

808
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff that could certainly lead to him falling.

809
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: And then you know, then the question also becomes for

810
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens how comfortable do they feel taking a guy

811
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: with some of those kind of red flags on his resume.

812
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's very interesting. Yeah, I think that's that's

813
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: certainly the most intriguing thing to watch is this is

814
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: this pass rusher dynamic and the receiver dynamic going into

815
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: draft weekends. So look, we're gonna have some more good

816
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: guests that we're gonna be bringing your way. We've got

817
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: a couple of people in the works, uh, and we're

818
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: gonna try to get you some some more interviews leading

819
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: into the draft. Like I said, you can email us

820
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens on NFL dot Net. Let

821
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: us know what questions you have, let us know who

822
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: you want to draft. We'd love to hear from you

823
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: guys to get your perspective as well. So that's it

824
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: for us today, and thank thank you for listening, and

825
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: we'll be back with you next week.