WEBVTT - To Be White in America 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.319 Good morning, peeps in welcome to book a f Daily 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.599 with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording not So Live 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.640 in My Brooklyn Cilarium. Folks, let me tell you something 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.240 that is incredibly troubling is that at the time of 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.760 this recording we have the parents of Ethan Crumbly, the 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.880 fifteen year old assassin murderer. Instead of what the media, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.760 mainstream media is referring to him as as a boy, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.360 as a troubled boy, as a bullied boy, I'm going 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.360 to call him what he is, a person, not even 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.440 a child, a person that premeditated an act of severe 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:56.240 violence that costs the lives of four children and wounded seven. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.240 This story that is coming out, what we are learning 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.720 about Ethan Crumbly and his parents, James and Jennifer that 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.319 at the time of this taping are on the lamb. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.720 Where are they are they headed to Mara Lago? Who 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:17.679 the fuck knows? But the reality is this, his parents 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:24.319 had very important information, you know, when they were called 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:29.800 in by the teachers who discovered the drawing that showed 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.440 the bullet the gun what seemed to be an ominous 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:39.319 warning A happy face right teacher sees this, I was 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.520 a former educator. You see that on somebody's desk. You 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.560 look over as you're walking through the aisles of deaths 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.280 in a classroom, and you notice that that same child 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:57.520 is pulling up ammunition on Amazon, just like casually shopping 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.800 around for bullets. And then you do your due diligence 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:06.600 as a teacher. You call in the administration, You call 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.440 in the parents. And then when the teacher and the 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:16.920 administrator said you need to take Ethan home, they said no, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.920 knowing things that at that time the teacher and the 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.720 administrator didn't know, which is that Ethan did in fact 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:33.360 have access to a gun, that his father had purchased 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:38.119 a gun four days prior on Black Friday, that he 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.120 had been texting with his mother while at school, and 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.880 she was making a joke of the fact that, oh, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.680 as you're looking for ammunition while you're in school, l ol, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:58.720 don't get caught. We know now through the Daily Beast, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.320 which I had talked about earlier in the week, the 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:09.320 affinity that the crumblies have for violence, the affinity that 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.800 they have for the Second Amendment, how they delighted in 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:20.320 reaching out to the twice impeached, disgraced President Donald Trump 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:27.280 to tell him that they were so thankful for their 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.440 guns because of him, because apparently he was there when 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:35.320 the Constitution was being written, and that, you know, Jennifer Crumbly, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.320 the lady that she is, would rather be grabbed by 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.680 the pussy than fucked up the ass by the government. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.480 That's exactly what she wrote in the letter to the 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.600 former president of the United States. So you can already 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:54.000 get a sense that this entire family seems to be unwell. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.560 Now I don't say unwell as in I'm making excuses 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.400 for the actions that they have taken. No, I mean 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.880 unwell as and I think that most of the radical 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.040 right is unwell. I think that racists are unwell. I 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.040 think that people who buy into white supremacy, Islamophobia, homophobia, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.560 transphobia are unwell. I think the people that are addicted 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.800 to QAnon are unwell. Does that mean that they don't 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.440 face accountability? Does that mean that they don't have a 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:25.279 responsibility as citizens and or parents to alert the community 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:30.160 when they know that their child is not doing so 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:38.520 hot in school? They knew exactly that their son was 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:44.839 on the verge, because why else would Jennifer Crumbly decide 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:50.039 to text her child once news had broke that there 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.400 was a shooting at his high school and say, don't 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:58.359 do it right. You know what always used to piss 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:03.760 me off is when people would local newscasters would go 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.159 around and they would interview the families of somebody that 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.920 just committed a horrible crime, and then they interviewed the neighbors, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.080 and the neighbors say, he was such a nice boy. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.480 I would have never had any idea, except in this case, 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.560 everyone had an idea that this kid was not okay. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.480 And the mandate by the school was that once they 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.960 were alerted to the picture and they called in the 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.000 parents and they literally followed all of the right protocols 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.800 that they had the family forty eight hours to get 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:41.120 him counseling. But you see, if you look back at 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:46.960 the letter that Jennifer Crumbly wrote to Donald Trump, where 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.000 she is railing against big Pharma, which is giving you 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.880 a clue and an idea that they probably are against 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.719 mask mandates. They're probably against the vaccine, which means that 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.200 the idea of counseling and mental health. I can only assume, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.839 right based on what was said and written in that letter, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.800 that they would probably be against that as well, that 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.560 those would be the actions of some liberal right and 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:18.839 that the school, as the now governor Junkin had said, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.280 is that parents should have a choice. Well, you see 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.400 what happens when you give these kinds of parents' choices. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.320 Because when the school administrator and the teacher said you 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.200 need to take this student home because we do not 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.599 feel safe with him on campus, and then they said no, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.480 they should have never been able to leave the school 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.960 without taking their son with them. And just think for 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.320 a moment, I can only imagine, My god, my heart 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.840 goes out to the families of those four kids that died, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:02.839 aging from fourteen years old to seventeen years old. The 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.000 stories of the football player that rushed in to try 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.800 and grab the gun and was shot and died later 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:14.480 in the hospital. This is the choice that we are 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.960 making for our children, that they are forced into a 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:22.080 position where they have to be brave, where they have 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.760 to be soldiers instead of students. This is what we 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.840 are setting up for them. You know, in the conversation 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:35.120 coming up with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, you know, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:41.800 he opens up with talking about how traumatized the last 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.840 two generations of kids really are. Just think, about it. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.280 I can't even fathom. I don't have the number, but 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:56.920 the amount of mass shootings, school shootings that we have 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:02.240 heard about since Columbine, the amount of mass shootings that 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.560 have happened that have been headline news, right, that have 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.720 literally ricocheted around the country over the last two and 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:16.520 a half decades. You're talking about kids who now are 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.600 either in college or are just starting their first jobs, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.520 that have no idea what it would be like to 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.160 go to school and not have gun drills. When I 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.480 was in school, the only drills that we had were 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:36.239 fire drills, right, So this is what we have allowed 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:40.280 our kids to become accustomed to, to become accustomed to 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:46.600 randomly sitting in class and then an alarm sounding and 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.480 them having to run for cover and barricade themselves. Not 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.760 the stop, drop and roll that I was taught, but 0:08:55.920 --> 0:09:00.760 instead how to crouch into your body, how to use 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:07.200 your desk as a shield. We have parents that spent 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.959 this summer threatening the lives of school officials and health 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.440 officials because they believe that masks were going to traumatize 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.480 their kids. Are you fucking kidding me? But I don't 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.439 hear about any protests in front of schools are up 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.240 on Capitol Hill after every single time that there is 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.480 a mass shooting that happens that takes the lives of children. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:38.240 But they want to protest masks. But the right wing 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.520 wants to make little fucking bumper stickers that say that 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.520 wearing a mask to protect yourself from a global health 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.160 pandemic is child abuse. But we think that the actions 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.320 that we are forcing children to become accustomed to in 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:59.520 elementary school with active shooter drills, that that's normal, that 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:05.480 that's so okay. Instead of taking action, we have heard 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.280 reporters ask the sheriff and ask the district attorney Karen McDonald, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.560 who I'll get to in a moment, Well, what can 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:19.720 schools do? What can schools do? Schools have done enough. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:25.400 You have already try to turn teachers into cops, like 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.920 they are doing in Florida by saying, oh, do you 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.880 know how we protect our students from active shooters? Oh, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:36.400 we just give teachers guns. How about we give teachers 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.440 fucking pay right deserving of the job that they have. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.400 How about we give them the support and resources so 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.280 that they don't need to have fucking cookouts and bake 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.040 sales in order to provide for their students, because our 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.960 public education system doesn't provide our education system with the 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.240 resources to have kids have all of the things that 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.080 they need that parents and teachers are still having to 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:09.520 dig into their pockets. But no, let's sell them bulletproof backpacks, right, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:15.520 let's get them body armor. Let's make suggestions like, oh, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.960 metal detectors in all schools. Why don't we then put 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.920 bars on the windows and blackout windows and bulletproof windows, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.040 make the doors like the doors in prisons so that 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.040 bullets can't get through. Because you see, that's the kind 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.840 of contortion that this society is willing to do. But 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:39.880 not to change the policies to ensure that you have 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:44.840 to be a responsible gun owner, unlike the crumblies. You know, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.880 the state of Michigan doesn't have any laws on the 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:52.600 book that require people who own guns to lock them 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:57.000 up in any type of way, right, because, my God, 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.800 any type of restraint that you put on the Second 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:07.320 Amendment is an affront to it completely, God forbid. Right. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.360 I can't believe that we don't have protests from these 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.200 motherfuckers so that there are no safeties on guns, because 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.680 they should just be able to be trigger happy. Right, 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:22.040 we are living in a wild fucking country right now. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:29.319 And when I look at this fifteen year old, when 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:34.640 I think about Kyle Rittenhouse seventeen years old, when I 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:41.000 think about the fact that Ron death Santis just made 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:47.400 the suggestion that he creates civilian armies in Florida to 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:53.720 have the armed forces of Florida that only report to him. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.680 You know where this is headed. The crumblies. Damn near 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:04.120 we're training They're to be a murderer. And now just 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.560 think about the fact, right, because by the time that 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.640 you all hear this, I'm assuming that the Crumblies will 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.640 be in custody and will have been arraigned for each 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.360 of them having four counts of manslaughter, each of which 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.760 could carry up to fifteen year penalties if convicted. Right, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.560 And I think to myself, white people in America really 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.320 fucking got it good. And like, I know that you 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.760 all know this, but my God, to be able to 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.120 evade the police, to be able to curse the police out, 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.600 to be able to commit murder and somehow and literally 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.199 have the bodies littered around you but be taken in alive, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:56.439 It's some wild ass shit to be told by your 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.920 lawyer that you're about to be charged, and then you 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.360 decide to take the buck off right and then want 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.679 to say that, oh, it's the mainstream media that are 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:09.200 twisting things around. No, the sheriff's office called your house 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.600 and you were not there. That's called evasion. Do you 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.640 know who never gets to act out in any type 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:22.560 of way, who actually has fucking real rage black and 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:29.720 brown people? You see Ethan Crumbly is able to murder 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.800 four of his classmates and get taken alive. Trayvon Martin 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:39.960 wasn't able to walk to the corner store. Kyle Rittenhouse 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.400 is able to sling a real rifle on his shoulder 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.240 and stalk the streets of Kenosha and get patted on 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:52.240 the back called son by police officers. But Tamir Rice 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:57.960 couldn't play with a toy gun on a playground. I mean, 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.960 it is so absurd where we are, and it's so 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.680 absurd for anybody to be able to look at what 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.240 we have experienced, just folks, just over the last two years. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.400 Let me not even go all the way back six 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.400 seven years almost to the murder of Trey von Martin. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.080 Just look at the last two Brianna Taylor couldn't sleep 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.600 in her fucking bed. Armand Aubrey couldn't go for a jog. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.840 George Floyd couldn't purchase anything from the store. These people 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:37.680 are dead. They are victims. And the mainstream media, along 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.480 with the defense attorneys in each and every one of 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.960 those cases, except for Brianna Taylor, because she didn't even 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.920 get to have a real case, right because the district 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.240 attorney said, Na, there was no wrongdoing here. She just 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.960 shouldn't have been asleep, she shouldn't have been home telling 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.240 us that, oh, the millions of dollars that are family 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.440 got that should be enough. While it doesn't bring back 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.840 their fucking daughter or their niece, or their friend or 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:13.040 their fiancee. We have to continue marching and screaming that 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.920 black lives matter, because they don't. And when you see 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:25.000 these cases of white rage and extremism and violence and cruelty, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:30.760 and yet they're all alive, every single fucking one of them, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:37.240 how is that? How is it that the dealing roofs 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.040 of the world, and the kyle rittenhouses of the world, 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.080 and the even crumblies of the world are all alive 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:50.920 and their actual fucking murderers, But black people just existing, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.880 just trying to breathe, maybe falling asleep, and a drive 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.960 through at a fast food then all of a sudden, 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:05.200 you're dead. So you tell me that police officers are 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:10.480 trained to take down people that are actually holding real weapons, 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.600 not what they thought that Stefan Clark was holding in 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.600 his grandmother's backyard, which was his cell phone until he 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:23.439 was riddled with bullets. These are choices that these cops 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:28.879 are making, right, These are choices that are being made 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.000 by white people in power to never hold other white 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.400 people accountable because you get to do whatever the fuck 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.520 you want. And then we're all just supposed to continue 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.240 sitting around and taking this in day after day after day, 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:46.880 headline after headline, and thinking that what at some point 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:53.960 the pressure ain't gonna pop, You know it is. This 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.880 country is beyond addicted to guns. It is a dick 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:05.280 did to the lie of this cowboy swagger and this 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.600 pull them up by the bootstraps and this shoot them 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:14.520 up Western that poor grieved white men just can't get 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:21.119 over with their toxic masculinity and fragility. But we won't 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.679 have those conversations, we won't dig into this. We'll just 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:31.080 once again say that Ethan was disturbed right loan Wolf 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:36.920 over here, except guess what. Sixty fucking schools in Michigan 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:44.639 were shut down following this shooting. Sixty schools why because 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.560 of copycat threats that were called in. This is the 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.320 world that we are leaving to our kids, to the 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.720 next generation. If I were them, I would look at 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:02.560 adults with fucking disdain and disgust. We're leaving them a 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.760 world that is on fire with climate change. We're leaving 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.560 them a world filled with extremism and fascism and authoritarianism 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:16.000 and democracies backsliding and full on slip sliding away. We're 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:21.840 leaving them crumbling infrastructure and economy that is shit, capitalism 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.800 that is so unbalanced that you have people that are 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:30.240 using their spare money to rocket into outer space while 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.160 people on Earth can barely put food on the table, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:43.440 sitting around standing in food lines. When I think about 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.400 all of those things, how is it that anybody could 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.280 say that America is the best country in what world? 0:19:52.680 --> 0:20:02.600 How we're getting ready to outlaw abortion. Meanwhile, Mexico, a 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:09.360 religious nation, just past abortion throughout the country. But yet 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.560 we are the ones that look down on these black 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.639 and brown countries and want to come in with our 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.520 paternalistic ideas of how they should be better. We want 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.080 to go around the world and admonish countries in the 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.040 Middle East and in Asia about their treatment of women 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.120 and girls and human rights. Give me a fucking break. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.920 If I were a foreign leader of anywhere else, I 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.359 would tell America to go sit the fuck down, have 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.640 a seat. Why don't you go get your own house 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.760 in order before you tell me how to run mine. 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:46.760 This country is sick and I am unclear these days 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:50.199 of what the antidote is going to be. Coming up 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.120 next is my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.919 about the trauma that children are facing these days and what, 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:05.080 if anything, we plan to do about it. It has 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:10.720 been another exhausting week in America, and you know, at 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.400 the time of this taping with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:21.000 charges against the parents of Ethan Crumbly, the fifteen year 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.960 old who shot and killed four of his classmates, wounding 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.760 seven of them. His parents have now been charged with 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:37.800 four counts I believe of manslaughter. The district attorney Karen McDonald, 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:43.639 who gave a press conference telling the chilling tale Jonathan 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:48.960 of I mean if they're I don't know how many 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:54.360 warning signs one would need in order to take action. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.600 And from a drawing of a gun and the and 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:03.639 the bullet to you know, comments about his new toy 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.240 being beautiful, which is which was the gun, his mother 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:12.120 saying L O L don't get caught, um, his parents 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:16.320 texting him, you know, don't do it. After they denied 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:21.399 taking him home, when the school officials had called and said, 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.920 we would like you to take him home and they 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:29.200 said no. I mean, what do you make just of 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.680 of of the story that we are learning, of all 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:40.160 of all that transpired before that fateful afternoon in Oxford, Michigan. Well, 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:45.280 I mean talk about red flags on fire. I mean, 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:49.119 it's incredible. There's just like basically there was a sign 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.600 over this guy's head saying I'm going to comm into 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.440 mass shooting, and his parents, when they found that out, 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.120 said here go com into mass shooting. Um. And so 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.760 there there's never been a more clear case of somebody 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:07.120 who is the exact profile of high risk person. Now 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.919 it's frustrating for me in part. I mean, first of all, 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:15.400 another horrible tragedy and just I don't know, I mean, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.560 I teach college. Right. Kids are so traumatized right now 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.880 anyway because the pandemic, the world, the future and now 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.639 they've got to worry about you know this still and 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.520 stuff like that. It's just I don't know, they're so 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.840 first of all, pain and trauma and loss because kids 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.440 again are getting let down by grown ups. The world 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.119 we're creating for them is not a better world. And 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.640 so partially I'm just super fucking sad about all this stuff, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.800 you know, watching that video of those poor kids, just 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.199 like it's like, oh my god, you know, we have 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.240 just failed an entire generation. So first of all that, 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.880 but second of all, I've been doing interviews all week 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.560 about this with and I'll just vant a little bit 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:00.720 if you don't mind, because I've did like the Wall 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.159 Street Journal yesterday, for example, and they kept asking me 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.120 what can schools do to prevent this? And what were 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.040 the warning signs and stuff like that, And I gave 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:11.280 a forty five minute interview of which they took one 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.720 sense and the one sentence was the only one sentence 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.159 where I wasn't saying, this isn't a school problem, this 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.639 is a society problem, This is a parents problem, This 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.600 isn't access to guns problem and probably somewhere in the 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:24.560 middle of it, I said, but the schools seem to 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.200 do things that did help along the way, which it did. 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.720 But I said, like, you know, if we're in a 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.520 world where kids are going to have to be doing 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.479 mass shooter drills all the time, that's not a good world. 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:39.480 And it's preventable, and it's the result of policy, crappy policy. 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.080 So it's just a little weird that then they chose 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.639 that one snippet of that and not what I was 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.639 also saying, which is that you know, this is a 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.560 society problem. It's not a school problem. I mean, certainly 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.080 there are issues about like who can you predict, what 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:54.760 are the red flags or something like that, But this 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.200 case makes so clear that this is a guns problem, 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:02.520 and a whiteness problem, and an access problem and what 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.320 guns mean problem. All these things are so encapsulated, and 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.040 it's not just this case. There's lillion other cases just 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.000 like this where people get their guns from their parents. 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:14.920 I mean, so many mass taters get their guns from 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:19.720 their parents. It's crazy because they're like fifteen, um. But 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.800 so it's just all these things together, you know, anger, frustration, 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.040 and you know, I want to stick with you know, 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.560 what what you what you open with, because I I 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.160 you know, we've been talking for you know, every week 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.040 for two years, and it's really interesting to kind of 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:41.639 start two years, I know, right the the just the 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:46.359 sadness in your voice, right like as you are thinking 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.080 about like, you know, sometimes it doesn't really occur to 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.919 me because I am not around young people in the 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:58.480 way that you are teaching. Just how much trauma young 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:03.919 people in America from Columbine until now have been that 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.399 we've forced them under that the adults that say that 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:11.000 tweet out like the GOP did about the sanctity of 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:15.359 life as it pertains to a collection of cells in 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.600 a uterus, as opposed to the fact that we have 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:24.320 become almost numb to watching videos of young children run 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:29.359 out of their schools right into parking lots being covered 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:34.240 by police in combat gear. And that is a normal, 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.679 goddamn image in America, and it has been for at 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:44.080 least twenty five years. And so you know, at this point, 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.040 I think that it's a foolish question that journalists are 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.280 even asking about, well, what can schools do right? Because 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:57.640 you know, I heard one one reporter asked the sheriff, 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.879 And this was just a few hours after the shooting 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:05.119 had happened in Oxford. Well, do schools need metal detectors? 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.200 And it's like, so again we're not addressing the societal 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:16.480 problem of our addiction two guns, but instead we would 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:24.160 rather turn our schools into prisons. If it's just I mean, 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.160 I mean, I'm just as you speak, I'm seeing the 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:33.359 flash of students in Connecticut rushing out of the school, 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.280 and students in Florida rushing out of the school. Certainly 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.359 every pretty much every school rushing out of the school. 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.800 And I guess the word that comes to mind as 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.720 a kind of central question here is culpability. Right, So 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:52.000 who is culpable for kids running out of their schools? 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.520 Pretty much every week? There are schools that have metal detectors. 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.560 In fact, schools in New York now have metal detectors. 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:02.200 A school confiscated twenty one guns apparently in New York 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.119 yesterday with a metal detector. So kids are bringing guns 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.800 to school, um, and and that there's no doubt about that. 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.399 But the question is who's culpable for all this stuff? 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.679 And so as great as I think it is that 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.520 the parents are going to be held accountable, and I 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.320 think they should be made an example of, honestly, because 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:26.440 this is the most egregious, egregious enablement of UM of this. 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.040 I mean, you know, these people should go to jail, honestly, 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.880 And I don't I don't say that lightly, um along 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:34.640 with their kid. But but let me let me finish, 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.919 let me finish. But I will say that that in 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:41.239 a way blaming the parents or asking the schools, um, 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.560 what can they do? It's the wrong question, right, because 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.400 the entire industry has no culpability. There's no culpability by 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.960 the gun manufacturers, the gun sellers, UM. And and that's 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.800 not the case. You know, if you sell cigarettes, cigarettes 0:28:54.840 --> 0:29:00.400