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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps in welcome to book a f Daily

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Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording not So Live

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Speaker 1: in My Brooklyn Cilarium. Folks, let me tell you something

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Speaker 1: that is incredibly troubling is that at the time of

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Speaker 1: this recording we have the parents of Ethan Crumbly, the

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Speaker 1: fifteen year old assassin murderer. Instead of what the media,

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Speaker 1: mainstream media is referring to him as as a boy,

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Speaker 1: as a troubled boy, as a bullied boy, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to call him what he is, a person, not even

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Speaker 1: a child, a person that premeditated an act of severe

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Speaker 1: violence that costs the lives of four children and wounded seven.

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Speaker 1: This story that is coming out, what we are learning

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Speaker 1: about Ethan Crumbly and his parents, James and Jennifer that

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Speaker 1: at the time of this taping are on the lamb.

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Speaker 1: Where are they are they headed to Mara Lago? Who

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Speaker 1: the fuck knows? But the reality is this, his parents

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Speaker 1: had very important information, you know, when they were called

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Speaker 1: in by the teachers who discovered the drawing that showed

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Speaker 1: the bullet the gun what seemed to be an ominous

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Speaker 1: warning A happy face right teacher sees this, I was

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Speaker 1: a former educator. You see that on somebody's desk. You

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Speaker 1: look over as you're walking through the aisles of deaths

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Speaker 1: in a classroom, and you notice that that same child

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Speaker 1: is pulling up ammunition on Amazon, just like casually shopping

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Speaker 1: around for bullets. And then you do your due diligence

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Speaker 1: as a teacher. You call in the administration, You call

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Speaker 1: in the parents. And then when the teacher and the

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Speaker 1: administrator said you need to take Ethan home, they said no,

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Speaker 1: knowing things that at that time the teacher and the

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Speaker 1: administrator didn't know, which is that Ethan did in fact

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Speaker 1: have access to a gun, that his father had purchased

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Speaker 1: a gun four days prior on Black Friday, that he

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Speaker 1: had been texting with his mother while at school, and

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Speaker 1: she was making a joke of the fact that, oh,

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Speaker 1: as you're looking for ammunition while you're in school, l ol,

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Speaker 1: don't get caught. We know now through the Daily Beast,

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Speaker 1: which I had talked about earlier in the week, the

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Speaker 1: affinity that the crumblies have for violence, the affinity that

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Speaker 1: they have for the Second Amendment, how they delighted in

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Speaker 1: reaching out to the twice impeached, disgraced President Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: to tell him that they were so thankful for their

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Speaker 1: guns because of him, because apparently he was there when

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Speaker 1: the Constitution was being written, and that, you know, Jennifer Crumbly,

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Speaker 1: the lady that she is, would rather be grabbed by

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Speaker 1: the pussy than fucked up the ass by the government.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what she wrote in the letter to the

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Speaker 1: former president of the United States. So you can already

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Speaker 1: get a sense that this entire family seems to be unwell.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't say unwell as in I'm making excuses

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Speaker 1: for the actions that they have taken. No, I mean

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Speaker 1: unwell as and I think that most of the radical

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Speaker 1: think that people who buy into white supremacy, Islamophobia, homophobia,

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Speaker 1: transphobia are unwell. I think the people that are addicted

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Speaker 1: to QAnon are unwell. Does that mean that they don't

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Speaker 1: face accountability? Does that mean that they don't have a

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Speaker 1: responsibility as citizens and or parents to alert the community

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Speaker 1: when they know that their child is not doing so

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Speaker 1: do it right. You know what always used to piss

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Speaker 1: me off is when people would local newscasters would go

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Speaker 1: and the neighbors say, he was such a nice boy.

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Speaker 1: I would have never had any idea, except in this case,

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Speaker 1: And the mandate by the school was that once they

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Speaker 1: parents and they literally followed all of the right protocols

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Speaker 1: that they had the family forty eight hours to get

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Speaker 1: him counseling. But you see, if you look back at

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Speaker 1: the letter that Jennifer Crumbly wrote to Donald Trump, where

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Speaker 1: she is railing against big Pharma, which is giving you

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Speaker 1: a clue and an idea that they probably are against

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Speaker 1: is that parents should have a choice. Well, you see

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Speaker 1: what happens when you give these kinds of parents' choices.

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Speaker 1: Because when the school administrator and the teacher said you

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Speaker 1: goes out to the families of those four kids that died,

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Speaker 1: to be soldiers instead of students. This is what we

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Speaker 1: are setting up for them. You know, in the conversation

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Speaker 1: coming up with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, you know,

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Speaker 1: he opens up with talking about how traumatized the last

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Speaker 1: two generations of kids really are. Just think, about it.

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Speaker 1: I can't even fathom. I don't have the number, but

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Speaker 1: the amount of mass shootings, school shootings that we have

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Speaker 1: go to school and not have gun drills. When I

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Speaker 1: the stop, drop and roll that I was taught, but

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Speaker 1: officials because they believe that masks were going to traumatize

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Speaker 1: their kids. Are you fucking kidding me? But I don't

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Speaker 1: But they want to protest masks. But the right wing

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Speaker 1: pandemic is child abuse. But we think that the actions

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Speaker 1: that's so okay. Instead of taking action, we have heard

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Speaker 1: You have already try to turn teachers into cops, like

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Speaker 1: know how we protect our students from active shooters? Oh,

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Speaker 1: we just give teachers guns. How about we give teachers

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Speaker 1: How about we give them the support and resources so

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Speaker 1: not to change the policies to ensure that you have

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Speaker 1: to be a responsible gun owner, unlike the crumblies. You know,

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan doesn't have any laws on the

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Speaker 1: any type of restraint that you put on the Second

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that we don't have protests from these

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Speaker 1: And when I look at this fifteen year old, when

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Speaker 1: are dead. They are victims. And the mainstream media, along

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Speaker 1: that you see? Well, I mean, you know, if I'll say,

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Speaker 1: first the discordant, which is that everybody hides behind the

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Speaker 1: Constitution for the guns and say, oh, this is all

433
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Speaker 1: about the Second Amendment and freedom and liberty. But the

434
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: Constitution has been just used and bastardized. And so I

435
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: think that in a way we're well beyond I mean,

436
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Speaker 1: I mean, imagine going back and interviewing people who wrote,

437
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Speaker 1: you know, interview Thomas Jefferson or Hamilton or somebody you know,

438
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: and say, hey, this one sentence you guys wrote is

439
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Speaker 1: going to be used to support school massacre. Are you

440
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: guys down with that? Um? You know, I don't think

441
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: that they'd be so excited about that. And so and

442
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: none of this is in the constitution. So people will say, well,

443
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: cigarettes aren't in the constitution, but guns are. Yes, guns

444
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: are in the constitution. What's happening now is not in

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Speaker 1: the constitution. And even yesterday or the day before when

446
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: we saw the the abortion case, sometimes people say, well,

447
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's in the constitution. So it's

448
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: like this, it's like this, you know, you can't win

449
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: either way. But I will say that people say, oh,

450
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: it's because cigarettes are not in the constitution, but guns

451
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: are now read the Constitution, and only where this is

452
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: in the Constitution, this thing it's not. And and nobody

453
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: in the Constitution said, well, people who make guns should

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Speaker 1: be free of any kind of legal recourse. There doesn't

455
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: say that in the Constitution. And so in a way,

456
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: just this frame of this veneer of the constitution is

457
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: used to block the methods that were effective with automakers

458
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: were effective with cigarettes. You know, probably somebody could say

459
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: now like oh, Hamilton, he smoked a pipe and therefore

460
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: it's constitutionally protected and we couldn't do what we did

461
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: with cigarettes now. But part of the issue is that

462
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Speaker 1: that this notion that guns have a constitutional sacrosanct nature,

463
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: which again is fake, is then used to justify all

464
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: the politics, all the NRA stuff, all the gun sales,

465
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: all the exporting of weapons that we're doing now, which

466
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: is making the world buss safe and more militarized. And

467
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: so this is all like veneer for an industry. Right,

468
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: It's not not any mystery there. But I will say that,

469
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, part of the issues, I think the public

470
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: health establishment and the Democrats thought, well, the methods that

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Speaker 1: would that worked against cars, that worked against cigarettes, and

472
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: would work here that is just it's a different it's

473
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: a different beast. I think it needs a different playbook.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, is your opinion. And let me

475
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Speaker 1: ask this that these parents could particularly it could become

476
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Speaker 1: the next martyrs on the right, Yeah, I mean is this?

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Speaker 1: I mean is this because look, I don't I question

478
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Speaker 1: nothing now, right, Like, I assume that if I can,

479
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: if I can imagine it, it can happen. Right. And

480
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: so we already saw the deetization of Kyle Rittenhouse, right,

481
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Speaker 1: and so now you have the other side of this.

482
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Speaker 1: Couldn't Ethan say, well, I was protecting, this was self defense.

483
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: This was blah blah blah blah blah, like I should

484
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Speaker 1: have the right to bear arms and this and this

485
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: is that case. Would you foresee this being that like

486
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Speaker 1: the step into Dante's inferno. Further for the Republicans, well,

487
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: there's two parts of that question. I don't think the

488
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Speaker 1: parents are going to be held up on anybody's top

489
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Speaker 1: ten list. I certainly don't think that's the case. I

490
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: think when you shoot kids, you're you're in a separate category.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think, you know, maybe they'll be

492
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Speaker 1: like the John Wayne Bobbitt on infomercials or something like that,

493
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: or you know, some kind of crap like that like there.

494
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Speaker 1: But but I don't think that they're I don't think

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Speaker 1: that they're going to be held up. I mean, nothing

496
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Speaker 1: surprises me anymore. But I would say that these these

497
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: crimes are so egregious and so obvious and so blatant

498
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Speaker 1: that I don't think anybody on any side of this

499
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: is going to support Hey, you know, bring a gun

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Speaker 1: to school and shoot your classmates. I don't think that's

501
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: going to happen. I think that's a bridge too far,

502
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: I really do. But I will say that the bigger

503
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: question that you ask is very important, which is what

504
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: is self defense? And what we saw in rittenhouse and

505
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Speaker 1: in every defense here is that it's impossible to prove.

506
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the point that the minute

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Speaker 1: somebody says I feel threatened or bullied or you name it,

508
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: fill in the blank, and guns become the answer at

509
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: that moment. It's really hard because you're basically going off

510
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: of a subjective feeling. And what we see in this

511
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: case is that leads to all and other cases leads

512
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: to all kinds of violence, right, and certainly this kid

513
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: probably did feel like he was being bullied. So is

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Speaker 1: that a justifiable use? I mean, no, not in this

515
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: case clearly, but in general, you know, it leads to

516
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: racial profiling. It leads to killing of black and brown

517
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: victims very often. I mean, when you look at like

518
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: the standard ground literature, for example, people get off for

519
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: killing people basically, and then they just say I felt threatened,

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00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: and they didn't feel threatened because somebody pulled a gun

521
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: on then they felt threatened because of implicit bias and

522
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: racism and things like that. And so these these laws

523
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: are designed to to create shootouts, honestly. So so I

524
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Speaker 1: don't so I guess the short answer is, I don't

525
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: think the parents are going to be on the Johnny

526
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: Carson Show. But I do think that the bigger issue

527
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Speaker 1: of claiming self defense lets off a lot of murders,

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00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: you know. I also wonder too if this will bring

529
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Speaker 1: up the solution that death Santis had in Florida, which is,

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00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: will let's just have teachers be able to carry guns?

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Speaker 1: Right like this, This is this is what will stop

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Speaker 1: the problem we'll have. We'll give teachers the ability to

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Speaker 1: be able to carry guns. Now, if I'm a kid

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Speaker 1: in my home the gun is who wherever in a

535
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: draw that's unlocked because there are no in Michigan, apparently

536
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: there are no laws about how you're supposed to handle

537
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: your guns, right like you can. Everybody can just do

538
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: whatever that put it on the kitchen counter and you know,

539
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: go sit in a living room. Do you think that

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00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: this brings up an argument as to why even having

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Speaker 1: guns in schools if you have a resource officer or

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00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: a teacher, would be problematic and turn into exactly what

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Speaker 1: you had said earlier, which is just mass shootouts. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's It was a horrible idea when it was

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Speaker 1: first introduced. It still is a horrible idea. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the irony is that college campuses, for example, historically gun

547
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: free zones also historically thus safest places for people eighteen

548
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: to twenty two years old because they're gun free zones.

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Speaker 1: Even in the middle of places where there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of shooting. I mean Tennessee, for example, the Vanderbilt campus

551
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: has like a point o one shooting rate and Tennessee

552
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: has like four something or other. It's it's and so like,

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00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: even in the middle of places where there's a lot

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00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: of guns and a lot of gun violence. The fact

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00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: that school camp says have historically been gun free zones

556
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: makes them incredibly safe because there's a lot of conflict,

557
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: a lot of bullying, a lot of you know, what

558
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: kids do on the you know, playground and stuff like that,

559
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: but people don't shoot it out. And and you also

560
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: don't introduce guns into this scene by having the teachers

561
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: armed or armed guards or things like that. And so

562
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: what we're doing is just basically militarizing schools and it's

563
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: just going to I mean, look at this case, right,

564
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: It's the shooter is always going to have the upper hand.

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Speaker 1: It'sn't like you're going to win a shootout without casualty

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Speaker 1: in a case like this, you know. So one of

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Speaker 1: the other things that I want to talk about with

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00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: you too is the fact that if correct me if

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00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But this is also one of the first

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Speaker 1: mass shootings that we've seen in a school where sixty

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Speaker 1: plus schools in Michigan closed because of copycat threats? And Jonathan,

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00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: have we seen that before? With the shootings that you know,

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Speaker 1: you have kind of rattled off in Florida and Connecticut,

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00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, xamples, California and other places. Has there been

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Speaker 1: that kind of active copycat you know, mentality pop up

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00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: right after Well, let me just put it in context.

577
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: There's a ton of despair right now. There's despair in schools.

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00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: The pandemic is extracting a huge cost on people. Kids

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Speaker 1: in particular, Like again, the future they think they were

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00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: going to have is is closing in front of their eyes.

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00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: In part because of this pandemic, We've got this new

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Speaker 1: oh microphobia, you know, the whole country, and so there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of tension right now, and so I think

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Speaker 1: that threats are real, right, Threats feel very real, and

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00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: so I'm not surprised that this shooting had a ripple effect. Now,

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00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: certainly it's the case that mass shootings in general have

587
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: strong copycat phenomenon. That was true through the twenty tens

588
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: when we were having tons and tons of mass shootings.

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00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: So there would mass shooters would try to run up

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Speaker 1: each other. And so I think that schools are prone

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00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: to take this very seriously in general because of the

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00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: copycat effect of this. Also, again it's in Michigan, where

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00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: there's just a ton of guns around, and so a

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00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of kids do have access to guns. And the

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Speaker 1: other part is, you know that it's just such a

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Speaker 1: moment of heightened tension because of what's happening in the

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00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: world right now, and so all these things are a

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00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: pretty toxic mix. It's a dangerous moment in general, and

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00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: schools are reflective of that. But I do also think

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Speaker 1: it's very important that we also, I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get schools off the hook here.

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00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: It's important that we give schools more tools and parents

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00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: more tools when people are at risk. I mean, there

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00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: are things called gun violence restraining orders, red flag laws.

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Speaker 1: When somebody's escalating, you have there's a way to get

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00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: that person and disarmed, right. Um. And so now obviously

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00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: the law on the logic is like if your parents

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00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: are like taken out for shooting practice the day before

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: you do a mass shooting, it's not going to work.

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Speaker 1: But I will say that we need to empower schools

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00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: more to address situations like that. I certainly think that's true.

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00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: Schools need more authority to be able to even do

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Speaker 1: more than this this school did in Michigan. Last question

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Speaker 1: for you, do you think that the fact that these

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Speaker 1: these parents are going to be charged, are now charged

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00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: and will be you know, arraigned and face their own

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00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: trial separate from Ethan Crumbly now being tried as an

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00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: adult with account of terrorism along with all of the

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Speaker 1: other counts of murder that he has against him. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that this will spark discussions around the fact

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Speaker 1: that there needs to be laws on the books that

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Speaker 1: your weapons are locked up that like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know that that is the case in some states,

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Speaker 1: but it's not at all. Yeah, I mean, the parents

625
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: are a far part of a spectrum, but they're on

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00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: a spectrum, right, I mean, so they're on a spectrum

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00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: of gun owners resisting any kind of gun laws in

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00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: ways that make it easier for their kids to get guns,

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Speaker 1: and so there, I mean, it would a gun safe,

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00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: a trigger lock probably wouldn't have helped in this case

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00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: or in general, because usually trigger locks and gun safes

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00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: are for toddlers when toddlers are in the house. But

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Speaker 1: I will say that there are safe storage laws that

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00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: have been tried in multiple states, including in Tennessee. We

635
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: had we had a case where a five year old

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00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: kid picked up one of their parents guns that was

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00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: just lying around and shot another like four year old kid,

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00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: And the question was were the parents liable in that case,

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00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: and we had support from across the aisle Republicans and Democrats.

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00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: The pre vote was almost unanimous, saying parents are responsible

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00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: for gun storage when they have toddlers or kids under

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00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: ten in the house. The day before the vote was

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Speaker 1: going to happen, NRA sent thirty lobbyists into town and

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Speaker 1: basically said, if you like, if you want your job,

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Speaker 1: you're going to vote against this. It's all. There's actually

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Speaker 1: an article in Newsweek about this. It was called Michayley's

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Speaker 1: Law and the and what happened was they just all

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Speaker 1: turned around and they voted against it. And so even

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Speaker 1: safe storage for like little kids is something that is

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Speaker 1: that is not permissible. And so I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just you know, this is the world

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Speaker 1: that these guys want. But it's it's just sad that

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Speaker 1: we have again, at this moment in time, we should

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Speaker 1: be taking care of kids. We should not be having

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Speaker 1: parents so afraid to even I mean it's ironic, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: we want our kids to go back to school and

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do mass and we don't want

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Speaker 1: critical race theory. We just want them to go back

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Speaker 1: the biggest threat possible, Like how many people did critical

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Speaker 1: race theory shoot? You know, and so and so and so.

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Speaker 1: It's just the irony here and again. We want the

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Speaker 1: same thing, right. We want kids to be able to

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Speaker 1: great leaders. We want to create a world that's better

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Speaker 1: for them. But I don't know. This is just there's

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Speaker 1: something profoundly sad about this happening in general, and this

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Speaker 1: happening right now. Yeah, profoundly sad. It is where we

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Speaker 1: will end it today, doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of Dying

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Speaker 1: of Whiteness. As always, we appreciate your insight and analysis

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Speaker 1: here on Woke a F. Take care of everybody. That

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Speaker 1: is it for me today on Woke a F. As always,

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Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people. Power,

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Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke. As fun