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Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins had the opportunity to draft Herbert after

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Speaker 1: for example, Like Tom clearly tough as nails for two decades,

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Speaker 1: played outside in cold games, would get up, was unfaced,

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Speaker 1: would stand in there and throw strikes. He doesn't want

427
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Speaker 1: to get hit anymore. It's not because he's not tough,

428
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Speaker 1: it's he's forty five years old for who for what?

429
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Speaker 1: As Ricky Waters once said. So it's like Mike White

430
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Speaker 1: will stand in there now. He might get killed, but

431
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Speaker 1: he has no problem standing in there. And I think

432
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Speaker 1: the Jets have some parallels to last year's Eagles team,

433
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Speaker 1: Like it's clear like they got a lot going for them. Obviously,

434
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Speaker 1: the difference is the Eagles just kind of were betting

435
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Speaker 1: on the come with Jalen was like, give him an

436
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Speaker 1: off season. He has a big trajectory. He's clearly way

437
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Speaker 1: better than we ever envisioned. And Jalen's I mean, honestly,

438
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Speaker 1: you might win the m v P. The Jets are

439
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of screwed, and I had I was texting with

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Speaker 1: the buddy today who's in the league, and we're just

441
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Speaker 1: talking quarterbacks. He's like, honestly, I would just pivot off

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Speaker 1: Zack Wilson. I wouldn't even keep them around. I would

443
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Speaker 1: just move on. And I was like, you know what,

444
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Speaker 1: in the NBA they do that a lot, like they

445
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Speaker 1: draft a guy pretty high and then within two and

446
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Speaker 1: a half years like we're just gonna trade him. It's

447
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: just not working out. In the NFL, teams are very

448
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Speaker 1: slow to do that, especially at quarterback. And JaMarcus I

449
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Speaker 1: think lasted three years. But you know, he was on

450
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Speaker 1: the purple drank and he wasn't practicing, he wasn't listening

451
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Speaker 1: to anybody, and he was god awful. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Zack Wilson on the purple drank

453
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Speaker 1: or what moms he's chasing, but he's terrible at football.

454
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Speaker 1: And if you think the players on the team are

455
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Speaker 1: never gonna respect them because your core guys, I've said

456
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Speaker 1: this in previous weeks, are so young, are so you know, um,

457
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Speaker 1: you know, they're just guys that are gonna be the

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Speaker 1: core group of your squad for years to come. These

459
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Speaker 1: are like fifth year guys. These are first and second

460
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Speaker 1: year guys. They're impressionable. They're gonna set the tone if

461
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Speaker 1: they're out on him and you don't think, just pivot. Listen,

462
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Speaker 1: you can recover. What you can't recover on is keep

463
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: doubling down on a mistake and listen. That's hard to

464
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Speaker 1: do in any walk of life, doubling down on a mistake.

465
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Speaker 1: But I would say in any industry, the best businesses,

466
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Speaker 1: once they realize like this thing is a negative, this

467
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Speaker 1: thing is a liability and there's no fixing it, Like

468
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Speaker 1: this is not something that we can figure out how

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Speaker 1: to salvage, you gotta pivot. So I think the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what the answer is because obviously

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Speaker 1: there are not a lot of offseason answers historically at

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Speaker 1: the position, but I would think long and hard for

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Speaker 1: moving on from Zack Wilson because your team is fucking loaded.

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Speaker 1: Another team that I think has also some parallels with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles and the Jets, they got a lot of

476
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Speaker 1: talent is the is the Detroit Lions. And I've been

477
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: banging the drum now for a while. And I looked

478
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Speaker 1: because obviously it's six and seven and there's some buzz

479
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: like they're not dead and they are not giants are

480
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: leaking oil, Seattle's leaking oil. Uh, that's seven seed could

481
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Speaker 1: be very very up for grabs all of a sudden

482
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Speaker 1: the Lions, the Lions and Jets play this week. That

483
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Speaker 1: is a game I'm not missing. I I can't wait.

484
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Speaker 1: But one thing the Lions have found in the Sean

485
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Speaker 1: McVeigh learned about this years ago. If your team is

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Speaker 1: good around Jared Goff, you have a running game, and

487
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Speaker 1: you have a decent defense, and the Lion's defense has

488
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: actually been much better, you can win football games. And

489
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff is playing really well. And there was a

490
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Speaker 1: lot of talk and I'm sure I was a part

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Speaker 1: of it going. You know, they have the l a

492
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Speaker 1: Rams draft pick, which I looked before I hopped on

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Speaker 1: the night. It's the fourth overall pick. And I know

494
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Speaker 1: that moment with Baker Mayfield beaten the Ratus was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That was that was fun. But they might not win

496
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Speaker 1: many more games. They easily could lose out. That pick

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Speaker 1: could be the second or third overall pick. It's gonna

498
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Speaker 1: be no worse than five. I think you could justify

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Speaker 1: not taking a quarterback and just rolling with Jared Goff. Hell,

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Speaker 1: maybe even extending Jared Goff three year contract, maybe like

501
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Speaker 1: seventy million dollars. I don't know. It's he obviously make

502
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Speaker 1: a lot. Now is he gonna take a pay cut?

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Speaker 1: I we can think about the money later, But I

504
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Speaker 1: do think you could entertain doing that because the way

505
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Speaker 1: they want to play, keep getting good on defense, have

506
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Speaker 1: a good pass rush. They have like the Jets impact.

507
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson is a star, absolute stud. You use that

508
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: third or fourth pick, draft will Anderson st Brown bowler,

509
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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. Remember that guy that was at Alabama that

510
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Speaker 1: was their best player last year. Or he's back from

511
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Speaker 1: an a c L and he kind of touchdown today

512
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Speaker 1: like he is this year. Gonna be a little hard

513
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Speaker 1: for him coming back from the injury. But how about

514
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Speaker 1: next year? Dude runs like a four to forty. And

515
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Speaker 1: then maybe with your pick late in the first round,

516
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Speaker 1: take another offensive player so your defense. Take a couple

517
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Speaker 1: of defensive lineman to go with Adan Hudginson. Boom, you

518
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Speaker 1: get a pass rush like the Jets. Your offense already

519
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Speaker 1: has a bunch of pieces. Boom, you're cooking with gas.

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Speaker 1: I think the Lions, I don't know if I feel

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Speaker 1: confident saying they're gonna make the playoffs because I think

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Speaker 1: that Jets game. Jared Goffs never been a great, uh

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Speaker 1: inclement weather guy, and I would guess at MetLife or

524
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Speaker 1: whatever the hell they call it now is not gonna

525
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Speaker 1: be you know, sixt and Sonny this Sunday, But that

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Speaker 1: you win that game and your seven and seven, I

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Speaker 1: I think you can see the Lions make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And again they have the Rams pick. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: if I'm a Lions fan, I'm probably as happy as

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Speaker 1: I've been in a long long time. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: happy fans, there can't be a happier fan base in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And then the Philadelphia Eagles their twelve and one.

533
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Speaker 1: I turned their game off today about midway through the

534
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Speaker 1: second quarter. And this is no shot at the Giants.

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Speaker 1: They have already had an awesome season. Brian day Ball,

536
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Speaker 1: Every Giants fan should be proud like this was. You

537
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: guys have been a joke for four years, Pat Shermer,

538
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Speaker 1: Joe Judge. Then you get this bald dude who can

539
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Speaker 1: coach a tough, physical team. But today, difference of talent

540
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: was you know, is why it is the state of Texas.

541
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Like the Eagles have star players everywhere, you don't. And

542
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: I flipped on earlier. Dori Jackson was out, Leonard Williams

543
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: was out, like you were missing some of your better players.

544
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: It was a perfect storm. You ran into a bus,

545
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: saw a j Brown kicking ass and taking names. But

546
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Eagles season really changed, obviously,

547
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: Jalen becoming a star, and that's kind of what he

548
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: is right now, the way he's playing right now, Jalen

549
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: Hurts star. You watch him interview. Every time I watch

550
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts interviewed, I'm like, God, damn, I love this guy.

551
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Speaker 1: He's just so serious, he's so focused. He talks like

552
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Speaker 1: his dad's a football coach, which he is. He talks

553
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: like a guy that was used to getting yelled at

554
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: in college by Nick Saban and Lincoln Riley. Like this

555
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: guy's got thick skin. In a world where it feels

556
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys just sports, not sports, not

557
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: a lot of thick skin people anymore, like to say

558
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: the baby boomer generation. It feels like Jalen Hurts a

559
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: throwback and me personally, I I got a soft spot

560
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: for throwbacks, some old school guys, and that's kind on

561
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: what this kid feels like. And I'm the first to

562
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: say I was way wrong. I thought he sucked. But

563
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: I always say, you've got to be very very careful

564
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: betting against guys that are wired the right way. That's

565
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Speaker 1: why I don't like, I'm not that phased betting against

566
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Speaker 1: Zack Wilson because I don't think he's wiring is there.

567
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: I think there's immaturity issues. I think there's leadership issues.

568
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: It's why I like I kind of go back and

569
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Speaker 1: forth with two. I like the way everything I've heard

570
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: about him, the way his mind is, It's what I

571
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: love about Jail. But really he's been there. Number one.

572
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Speaker 1: You you get a step like that from a quarterback,

573
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Speaker 1: it's big. Their franchise turned on Draft night because on

574
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Speaker 1: Draft Night they took three first round picks and they

575
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Speaker 1: turned him into a j Brown and the Saints pick.

576
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Speaker 1: So not only is your season, Ben, I mean this

577
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: is gonna go down as one of the great regular

578
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Speaker 1: season teams in Philadelphia Eagles history, right, I mean, it's

579
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Speaker 1: not inconceivable that they go sixteen and one. That's I mean,

580
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: that's awesome. They ain't gonna meet too many teams in

581
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Speaker 1: this seventeen game season they go sixteen and one. Hell,

582
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Speaker 1: I don't think over a ten years fan, we'll see

583
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: many teams go fifteen and two. So you have a

584
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: record like that, you had a big time squad. But

585
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Speaker 1: so they get a j Brown, which has been not

586
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Speaker 1: only led to the evolution and just the I mean

587
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: stardom of Jalen, but he's just led to the dominance

588
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: of your team. Like every time you step on the field,

589
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: you look out there eleven. Obviously DeVante is a lot better.

590
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Those two wide receivers are tough to stop. But you

591
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Speaker 1: also flip one of your first round picks into the

592
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Speaker 1: Saints first round pick. That pick currently is the fifth

593
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Speaker 1: overall selection in the draft. The Saints stink Dennis Allen.

594
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Speaker 1: There are articles about Sean Payton. It's like, you know,

595
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Speaker 1: he would like to stay in l A. But rumors

596
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Speaker 1: are the Saints could be a possible destination. It has

597
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: gone so shitty for Dennis Allen. They're already discussing him

598
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Speaker 1: as being a one and done. That's how bad. Howie

599
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Speaker 1: Roseman on Draft Night landed Jordan Davis, who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a stud, A J. Brown who's a star, and the

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Speaker 1: Saints first round pick, which is probably gonna be in

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Speaker 1: the top six picks. So he could end up all

603
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Speaker 1: of a sudden go sixteen and two. Who knows, NFC Championship,

604
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Speaker 1: maybe makes Super Bowl, help, maybe wins the Super Bowl

605
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Speaker 1: and ends up with like the six or seventh pick.

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Speaker 1: I saw today there was a clip at the forty

607
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Speaker 1: Niner game Tom Brady Bryant Young was there that he

608
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Speaker 1: just got in the Hall of Fame. Tom Brady went

609
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: up to him and and just said, like he looked

610
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Brian Young in the I said, you're a fucking beast man.

611
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Speaker 1: I loved watching you. I did too when I was

612
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Speaker 1: a kid. I first remember watching football early nineties. In

613
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Speaker 1: the forty Niners had just lost to the Dallas Cowboys

614
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Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game. Through trade, they had the

615
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: seventh pick in the draft, and they drafted Briant Young.

616
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: They obviously added Dion Sanderds as well, and they won

617
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl the following year. The Eagles have an

618
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Speaker 1: opportunity to obviously make a run this year. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be the number one seed and then have

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Speaker 1: a top five, six, four. I mean that their pick

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Speaker 1: is gonna be fantastic on top of their own pick.

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Speaker 1: Howary Roseman, I mean, I I don't see how he's

623
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Speaker 1: not the executive of the year. To me, the executive

624
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: of the year and the coach of the year almost

625
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: feel like a borderline lock. They would need to like

626
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Speaker 1: implode these last four games, which check our schedule, beside

627
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Speaker 1: the Cowboy fan beside the Cowboy game, I don't think

628
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: the Eagles are losing many games. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff shaping out, uh, in terms of the league, the hierarchy,

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Speaker 1: the draft picks, the playoff, you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: wild card seating is still in flux. And obviously we've

632
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Speaker 1: got a massive game Monday night, Belichick verse Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: Let's go the volume