1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Travis en Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. All right, 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: let's just lay it out for you more on the 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: border crisis today. We shall discuss that it's a mess 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: for the Biden White House, and the Senate compromise bill 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: looks like it is going to go nowhere, which we've 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: really known all along. Tensions rising in the Middle East 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: perhaps the most cliched TV chiron in the news business 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: you'll ever see, because tensions are pretty much always rising 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. It depends on what the period 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: of temporary piece is in between. But we'll talk about 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: how Biden may respond to this attack on a US 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: base killed three three members of a US army and 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: what this could mean obviously for security in the Middle 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: East and also more broadly in the political sense here 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: at home, how Biden's going to handle the prospect of 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: getting involved in another conflict or, as Joy Reid says, 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: another bleep war. Yes you may have that that went 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: over over cable news. Another bleeping war. That one over 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: cable news last night. So we can talk about how 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: that one was. I'm actually with Joy Reid in so 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: far as I don't want us in another war. But 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: I also know that when you're on TV, you got 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: to assume those mics are always always open. Certainly we 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: do here in radio. We try to. So there's there's 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot to dive into there on the drone attack, 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: the aftermath of it. Also there's footage of this in 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: a West Bank hospital. I don't know how many of 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: you have seen the show Fauda Clay. Are you familiar 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: with Fouda No? I don't know that. Oh, it's excellent. 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: It's a counter terrorism It's an Israeli counter terrorism show, 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and it really focuses on on an Israeli unit that 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: is actively deep cover operating in the West Bank and 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip. It's a military intelligence unit and they 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: have obviously native Arabic speakers, but they are fighting for 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: the Israelis. People are pointing out this video, this really 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: happened in the West Bank. They took out three three 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: Palestinian terrorists. They're dressed as members of the medical staff. 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: A couple of women dressed in like the full head 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: to toe hijab burka situation. Yeah, so the Israelis they 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: say this was to stop another October seventh like attack, 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: and so Israel is just going to do what it 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: has to do to defend itself. That was a story 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: we will get to you later on the program as well. 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: But I want to do right now dive into Owen. Claike. 47 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: You're going to have to explain at some point to 48 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: me today so that I can feel like I know 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: what's going on. I've never seen so much chatter over 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: a relationship that has now turned into world changing conspiracy theory. 51 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: This is why I was rooting for the Ravens buck 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: because I knew Taylor Swift was going to take over 53 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: the super Bowl. 54 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: This Kelsey Swift thing. People are talking about this. It's 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: like the Illuminati in the Builderbergs and you know, it's 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: crazy talk. What's going on here? Crazy stuff that they're 57 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: somehow involved in the elect I don't I don't even 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: know what to say, Clay. You could try to explain 59 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: it to me later, because this is what the kids 60 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: are talking about online and I'm sitting here like this 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: is just uttered. But Vivike, where is the I've got 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: the Viveke. Actually, here we go You're gonna have to 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: explain to me how theveke claims Taylor Swift and Travis 64 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Kelcey are in a fake relationship and the Chiefs will 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: win the rigged Super Bowl over the forty nine ers 66 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: to help Joe Biden in twenty twenty four. I have 67 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: no idea what that is. 68 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: We have audio of that, like I don't, and the 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: reason why I ask will eventually dive in. Vivek is 70 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: a super smart guy and sometimes sarcasm and you know, 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: like having fun does not translate. And so I'm curious 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: where I saw that headline, but I haven't actually dove 73 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: into where he said it. So would I would be 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: interested in hearing that actual audio. But yes, I feel 75 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: as serious there needs to be a little accountability for that. 76 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: This is like I will be the expert on the 77 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: tailor palooza that has taken over the Super Bowl. 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: So in the meantime, we mentioned yesterday at the top 79 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: of the show, or we got to do it a 80 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: little bit. This eighty three million dollar judgment against the 81 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: presumed Republican nominee in Donald Trump, I think we could 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: say he's the presumptive nominee is fair. It would be 83 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: the biggest shock in I don't know, probably the biggest 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: shock in political memory for me if Donald Trump weren't 85 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: going to end up being the nominee at this point. 86 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: And we've been telling you this now for a couple 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: of weeks. But Egen Carol went on with Rachel Maddow 88 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: last night. Who isn't she getting paid something like thirty 89 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: million a year to show up once a week. I mean, 90 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: it's a great, great gig. 91 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: In all of media buck there is a strong argument 92 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: that Rachel Maddow has the best contract. I don't begrudge 93 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: anybody who makes a lot of money, because obviously MSNBC 94 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: is making a lot of money. But yeah, the reports 95 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: are that she makes thirty million dollars a year to 96 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 2: show up once a week to do that show. 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: It's astonishing. So anyway, something the goals hashtag goals, Yes, 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: But here she is Egen Carol when she's asked what 99 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: she's going to do with Donald Trump's money, which he 100 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: hasn't given her yet. But that's a whole other part 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: of this, Like what's the actual sum going to be? 102 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: This is how the woman who claims she was sexually 103 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: assaulted by Donald Trump. It was in the eighties, right, 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: or was it the nineties. I don't the nineties, the eighties, 105 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: it was like thirty years ago. Whatever, let's just thirty 106 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: plus years ago. This is how she speaks about this 107 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: verdict in this eighty three million dollar judgment. Play ten. 108 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: You've talked about using some of Trump's money that you're 109 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: about to get to help shore up women's rights. 110 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: Do you know what that might be, what that might 111 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: look like? 112 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: Rachel? Yes, I had such such great ideas for. 113 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: All the good I'm going to do with this money. 114 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: First thing, Rachel, you and I go shopping for to 115 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: get completely new wardrobes, new shoes, motorcycle for Crowling, new 116 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: fishing rod for Robbie. 117 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: Rachel, what do you want? 118 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 4: Penhouse? 119 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: It's Rachel Penhouse and France. You want France? 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 5: You want to go fishing in France. 121 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: No, that's a joke, now, Clay, I understand what the 122 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: Democrats are going to say. They're going to say, Oh, 123 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: but she's laughing, she's joking. Let's let's all understand. She's accused. 124 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: She accused Donald Trump of forcible rape in the dressing 125 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: room of a department store in New York City, which 126 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: is a horrible violent crime. Now he wasn't even in 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: the civil child found guilty of that. I think it 128 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: was sexual assault, but not actually rape, right, that's the 129 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: I believe that's correct, and I want to dive into 130 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: that because I think it's significant. But yeah, sometimes people 131 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: will refer to a rape as sexualists or you know, 132 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: it is a form of sexual assault. So these specificities 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: or the specifics here are something that we should nail down. 134 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: But my point is merely clay. If that happens to 135 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: someone and it's so traumatic that they first of all 136 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: would be traumatic, and second of all that they would 137 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: bring it forward thirty years later and take it into court. 138 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: There's nothing funny about this, right, I mean, if that 139 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: had actually happened to a person, wouldn't you think the 140 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: person would think there's some solemnity, that there's some hope 141 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: that the justice system is punishing a person for doing 142 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: something awful. It's not a big joke, is my point. 143 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: But to her it is a big joke, isn't it. 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: Well. 145 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: I think this is devastating for anybody out there who's 146 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: tried to hold her up as a as a true victim. 147 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm not Look, I can't I don't. I don't believe her, 148 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: so just want to be cool. This is I don't 149 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: believe that that Donald Trump did to her what she 150 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: says he did to her. 151 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: I do not believe it. I agree with you on that. 152 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: And also I believe that all of her actions have 153 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: demonstrated that there is I think a preponderance of the 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: evidence that he didn't do this. And if you were 155 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: truly a victim, I don't think you would go on 156 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: MSNBC and talk about the way you're gonna celebrate your 157 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: eighty three million dollars is to go shopping for new 158 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: outfits and to take trips and to be just like 159 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: laughing it up. I don't buy into this, and I 160 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,119 Speaker 2: mentioned this yesterday, Buck, but I think this is important 161 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: in a big way. And I want to ask lawyers 162 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 2: out there eight hundred two two eight a two because 163 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to put on my lawyer hat here for 164 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: you for a minute. Buck, I don't understand the procedural 165 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: posture of this case. Let's leave aside Egene Carroll laughing 166 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: yucking at up up on television like she did. The 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: procedural posture here is this, and see if you follow 168 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: me here, Buck, because this may be a little bit complicated. 169 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna have to come back and keep talking 170 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: about it. But in the first suit, Trump was accused 171 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: of rape and sexual assault. Okay, simply put, Rape obviously 172 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: usually requires some being graphic here, but it's the legal distinction, right, 173 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: some form of penetration of a sexual nature. Sexual assault 174 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: often is defined as touching somebody in an inappropriate way, 175 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: like you could grab groping without penetration is usually a 176 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: distinction that would be made here in the law. Yeah, 177 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: So the jury in the first trial found that Trump 178 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: did not rape her. They found that he committed sexual assault, 179 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: and they found him to have to pay five million dollars. 180 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: I don't even understand, And again I want it's a 181 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: little bit complicated, So I want you guys to try 182 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: to follow me as best you can. That trial did 183 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: not happen until twenty twenty three, five million dollar verdict 184 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: sexual assault preponderance of the evidence, civil lawsuit. This is 185 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: not a criminal case, civil lawsuit, which, by the way, 186 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: they changed the statute of limitations for to allow her 187 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: to bring this suit, which is even crazier. Right, But 188 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: then they found him guilty libel for defamation based on 189 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: comments this second lawsuit that just happened, that he made 190 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. I don't understand legally two things. One, 191 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: how can Trump be responsible for defamation from comments he 192 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: made in twenty nineteen based on a jury verdict that 193 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: didn't come down until twenty twenty three. They said he 194 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: defamed her based on the jury verdict. Well, the jury 195 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: verdict didn't happen for four years. Second part here, buck, 196 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: and this is complicated too. He did when he said 197 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: that she was lying, the jury in the case actually 198 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: agree read with him, partially because she said she was raped, 199 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: and the jury didn't believe that. They believed she was 200 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: sexually assaulted. They didn't believe he raped her. So I 201 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: don't understand from a legal perspective, how this is not defamation. 202 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: How this is defamation because even based on the trial 203 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: that happened four years after these comments, they agreed that 204 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: he didn't rape her. So his lie in comment is true. 205 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: So I have a theory here, my non lawyer theory, 206 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: my political theory, which I think supersedes the law here. 207 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: This is all just practice. It's repetition of flexing the 208 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: muscle of anti Trump law. Fair here, it's just showing 209 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: people that if you get a New York jury at 210 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: this point in time, that you're going to put Trump 211 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: up for anything, you're gonna nail him. And this is 212 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: what concerns me about this. We've been operating under this 213 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: idea that the Alvin Bragg case is so weak and 214 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: so flimsy that there must be some reality that comes 215 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: into play at some point, right that thirty whatever counts 216 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: it is, thirty four counts I think, or thirty seven 217 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: counts of forgery or something, I mean whatever keeping book 218 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: keeping violent that every time they wrote down that this 219 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: was a personal expense, not a campaign expense, they were 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: committing a separate criminal act. This is it's insane, but 221 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: maybe insanity is no longer something that we can rely 222 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: on as the outer limit of what they're willing to do, 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, it's showing 224 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: us is that is that the Alvin Bragg case is 225 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: going to get a conviction, even as crazy as it is, 226 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: because they're getting these EG and Carol civil verdicts like 227 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: it's nothing. So that's really concerning to me. 228 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, on appeal, though, from a legal perspective, I don't 229 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: see how this doesn't completely get tossed out. And this 230 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: doesn't even consider the other thing, which is effectively what 231 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: you're saying is Trump is not allowed to defend himself 232 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: from accusations of sexual assault, because that's still. 233 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: I also, you know what, so now is it if 234 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: you say that you don't believe someone that's is that? 235 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: You know? Are we getting into defamation? 236 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 5: Now? 237 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Do I have to accept someone's public narrative of events 238 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: or else they could sue me for defamation? I mean, 239 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: unless she's not able to prove what she there's no 240 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: proof of anything that she has claimed against Trump of 241 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: any kind whatsoever. It's just her word. So now, whoever 242 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: a jury believes in a civil sense, the other person's 243 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: guilty of defamation. I mean, if I say, like Keith 244 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Olberman is the worst person to have ever worked in media, 245 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: can he sue me for defamation? I don't know. I 246 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: think that's an opinion. 247 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: What's even crazier, Buck, is it's retroactive defamation because again, 248 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: remember it would be you said like twenty things, and 249 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: then you went to trial, they found out that you 250 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: had defamed her, and then they were able to sue 251 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: for the twenty things you said before they found out 252 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: you defamed her. 253 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: I just don't understand from a. 254 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: Legal perspective, how you could be held accountable for what 255 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: you said in twenty nineteen based on a verdict from 256 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three that you didn't even know was ever 257 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: going to happen this case. Again, there's got to be 258 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: other lawyers out there that are also really kind of 259 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: flumoxed by I'm. 260 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: The entire process in so far as I'm I'm concerned about, 261 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Remember the whole thing. Kavanaugh wasn't a total success for 262 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: the Left, but it was successful in so far as 263 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: it established a precedent of it's credible, even if it's 264 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: incredible in the sense of not believable, it's credible as 265 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: long as it attacks our enemies. And this is now 266 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: the standard we're going to use. That is what the 267 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: left does. And now they took that same standard and 268 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: applied it here. If they could have waived the you know, 269 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: the criminal statute, But think about what that would do, right, 270 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: you wave the criminal statute of limitations for these things, 271 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: You're opening up a whole Well, well, I have a 272 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: statute of limitations at all. But I think what we 273 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: can see now Clay is that they well, this is 274 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: what they'll do in these kinds of trials going forward. 275 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: But also the standard has been set whereby it doesn't 276 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: matter what the evidence is if it hurts your political 277 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: opponent and you're on that jury, if it hurts the 278 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: other side, do it. You know what I mean. It's 279 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: it's actually a political outcome, not a legal outcome. That 280 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: concerns me the most. Well, you want to talk about 281 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: this specific let's I'm sure there's going to be some 282 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: interesting questions, but again, to me, this is a super 283 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: important case. The more I think about it, the more 284 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: crazy it gets. I mean, I would just say, there's 285 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: no one in this audience right there's no man in 286 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: this audience right now who if the standard of evidence 287 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: is thirty years ago, some woman says you grabbed her somewhere, 288 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: can't prove she was there. No witnesses, no physical evidence, 289 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: no nothing. You would be incapable of proving, krat you 290 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: didn't do this thing. If you're in the same state, 291 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: if you live in the same city, guess what, you 292 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: can't prove it. So correct, it's crazy. What they're doing 293 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: is insane. But it's all about getting Trouble'll get into this, 294 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: let's talk abut the Tunnel the Towers found something really 295 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: worthwhile and important. Tunnel to Towers mission is to do 296 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: good and make sure we never forget. 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I'm paraphrasing, 317 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna play that audio for you. 318 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: Maybe the dumbest thing Nicky Haley has said on the 319 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: campaign trail so far, and she said a lot of 320 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 2: dumb things. But has she done any research at all 321 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: on this case? 322 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: Buck, I would want someone to ask her why, well, 323 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: the Egen Carol case is justified, but why she doesn't 324 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: think Joe Biden committed sexual assault against Tara Reid, Like, 325 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: on on what evidentiary basis would that distinction be made. 326 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: It's a fantastic question. We'll talk about it. 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As I 347 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: was saying, why not making a trillion jury, make it 348 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: a cool trillion. I think that would be a good 349 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: way to send them message. The reality is Nicky Haley 350 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: is still running technically against Donald Trump in this primary. 351 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: RNC has made it clear that this thing is over all. 352 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: The numbers make it clear that this thing is over. 353 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: The donors to NICKI Haley's campaign, some of whom aren't 354 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: just anti Trump but are very much Democrats. I think 355 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: that also means there is no chance here of this changing. 356 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Would you get the occasional email from somebody who is 357 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: a staunch nicky Haley supporter. So I do want I 358 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: keep that in mind as I discuss all of this. 359 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: But Clay, I wasn't expecting this, especially given that reality. 360 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: If she was in a super tight race, if it 361 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: were three points, two points, five points, even I think 362 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: you could see how maybe a degree of arrogance would 363 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: push her toward all out, all out political war against Trump. Right, 364 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: whatever is needed, whatever she has to do, she will do. 365 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 1: She's nowhere near that. And yet when she weighed in 366 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: on the Egene Carol verdict, this is what she said, 367 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: play it. 368 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: It cracks me up that people trying to overanalyze. I 369 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 3: just tell the truth as I see it. I think 370 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: there have been politics played with prosecutors that have brought 371 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: on some of these cases. I think there's been politics 372 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: played even with the judges. But I do think American 373 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 3: juries still get it right. They listen to the evidence, 374 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 3: they make the decision based on the evidence, and I 375 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 3: do still trust any American that sits on a jury, 376 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: I trust that they're making the right decision. 377 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, first of all, that's idiotic. Juries get 378 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: it wrong plenty. The jury is not something that a 379 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: jury system is not something that you are not allowed 380 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: to criticize. If juries didn't get it wrong, Clay, we 381 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't need appeals courts if jury's didn't get I mean, 382 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: but she thinks this is wise in the AFTERI of 383 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: Egen Carol, I just trust the jury. It's such a 384 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: such a kind of weasily non answer if you want 385 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: to criticize Trump. I think that defense that he provided 386 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: in the first civil trial was very weak. And I 387 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: don't know if he got bad legal advice on what 388 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: exactly was going on, but he basically didn't show up 389 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: at the first sexual assault jury trial, and I think 390 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: he should have offered a more robust defense there. But 391 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: the second trial, So that would be my advice from 392 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: a legal perspective, the second trial, and I think there's 393 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: a third trial now that is upcoming because I think 394 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: she sued him for what he said in the CNN 395 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: town hall too. What do you expect if you are 396 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: accused of a crime? How is it defamation to deny 397 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: that you committed a crime. I just as a baseline 398 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: point of law. And again I come back to the 399 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: she accused him of rape and sexual assault. The jury 400 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: in that first civil trial found that he committed sexual assault, 401 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: not rape. So how is calling her a liar not 402 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: accurate in some way based on the original jury's finding 403 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: that that seems to me very again, think about what 404 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: defamation is she said he raped and sexually assaulted me. 405 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: The jury in the first trial, to my understanding, somebody 406 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: can correct me if if there's something that I'm missing 407 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: in this first trial. Certainly I didn't watch it every 408 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: day or pay a fast amount of attention to it. 409 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: The jury in that first trial said, we find him 410 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: culpable beyond you know, libel, beyond a reasonable doubt, not 411 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: beyond a reasonal doubt preponderance of the evry. Yeah, I 412 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: think that's important. It's like, yeah, maybe I think he 413 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: probably did it. It's not yet. 414 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: It's it's fifty percent plus a feather, basically, is the 415 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: way we talk about it in the law, as opposed 416 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: to beyond reasonable doubt, which is like, you know, you 417 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: can put your own percentages, but whatever, ninety eight ninety 418 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: nine percent likely. However you want to classify that, there 419 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: isn't a definitive percentage, but fifty percent plus a feather. 420 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: They found that he did not rape her, So when 421 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: she said I was raped, she was found by a 422 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: civil jury to have lied. I don't understand, even based 423 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: on that verdict, how you can go back in time 424 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: to twenty nineteen and hold him responsible for defamation. But 425 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: he's actually spoken the truth as it pertains to her 426 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: allegation of rape, which a jury found did not occur. Now, 427 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: a jury did find he sexually assaulted her, but they 428 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: didn't find that he raped her. So this whole thing 429 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: is bonkers to me, and I think it's all going 430 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: to get tossed on appeal. 431 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: I guess this entire belie and everything else. How could 432 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: they believe one and not the other? Do you know 433 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: what I mean? It sounds to me like they this 434 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: was almost know a solemn. 435 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: Money babies, Like when somebody says, we think he's guilty 436 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: of secondary murder and you look at it and it's well, 437 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 2: it's either first every murder or he didn't do it. 438 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: But this is also first of all. That's why Niki 439 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Haley saying I trust the jury. I mean, that's absurd. 440 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: If that is their approach, I think it almost certainly is. 441 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: So what they're doing is they're hedging because they're saying, well, 442 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: there's really no evidence, and she says yes. He says no, 443 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: let's not say yes to the more, the much bigger thing, 444 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: but let's say yes to the slightly or you know, 445 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: to the lesser charge. And that way we're kind of 446 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: going down the middle. This is why this whole thing 447 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: is crazy. 448 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, but you know, even within that construct again, 449 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: I think Trump should have shown up at the trial, 450 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: probably in retrospect. I bet if if he had known 451 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: the way this was getting a table, that this was 452 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: getting set. 453 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: But it's it's all just bonkers to. 454 00:24:53,520 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: Me, because when you get accused of sexual assault in 455 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: a civil trial or in a criminal context, how in 456 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: the world is it defamation to say I didn't do it. 457 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: I just I just come back. As a matter of law, 458 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: is it definitely somebody accuses you of. 459 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: If I say I didn't kill someone, is it then defamation? 460 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: You know, if I say I'm not guilty of murder, 461 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: am I defaming the person and their family or something? 462 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: If I deny this. 463 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: Well, in murder at least you know you have a body, 464 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: and like you could get accused tomorrow of theft. And 465 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: if you said no, I didn't commit you know, I 466 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: didn't steal anything, it's defamation if you. I just I 467 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: can't get over the world that has been created. And again, 468 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: this should be something that reasonably intelligent lawyers out there 469 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: are speaking out about, more so than I've seen occurring, 470 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: because this is a kangaroo court, but Nana Republic situation 471 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: that's ongoing, and buck this doesn't even take into account 472 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: Ejing Carroll saying she thinks rape sexy on CNN. Ejing 473 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 2: Carroll goes on MSNBC and jokes about how she's going 474 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: to spend the Trump money. Does this seem like a 475 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: woman that is horribly wronged and has been living for 476 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: decades with the stain and an awful psychological turmoil of 477 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: being raped or does she seem like a crazy person? 478 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: I just I look at this and I can't believe. 479 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: And by the way, did the Tara Reid Front you 480 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 2: asked a really good question. This is where Democrats are 481 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: far more nasty than Republicans are. They paid for Egene 482 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: Carroll to get lawyers to go after Trump. They changed 483 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: the law in New York to allow her lawsuit to happen. 484 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: What did Republicans do with Tara Reid? Far more credible 485 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: accusation of sexual assault against Joe Biden when he was 486 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: senator by one of his employees, talked about it for decades, 487 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: There's tons of evidence of it. 488 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: Story just goes away. 489 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is we're trying to We are 490 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: not having equal fights here. 491 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: They are nasty, they are venal, they. 492 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: Are incredibly, incredibly willing to undertake just the most deceitful 493 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: tactics I would argue possible, and Republicans do nothing in response. 494 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Think about it. 495 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: I mean Biden and terror read. The story just goes away. 496 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: New York Times writes one story about it. Washington Post 497 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: writes one story about it, and the story just vanishes. 498 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: Nobody even mentions it is Ejen Carroll story. You can't look. 499 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: It's on everywhere. Nobody even mentions Tara Reid. And by 500 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: the way, not the Tarror Reid that a lot of 501 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: people will remember. 502 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't even occur to Republicans, I think to 503 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: level fake or or completely unprovable and very vague sexual 504 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: assault allegations against their political opponents. This is not something 505 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: that you'll notice. I mean, they did it to Kavanaugh, 506 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: they do it to Trump now, and you could say, oh, well, 507 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: look at what happened with No. A woman came forward 508 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: and said that Joe Biden, you know, forcibly did things 509 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: to her, sexually assaulted her. And that's there's nothing that 510 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: is not credible about that. It's not like she's saying, oh, 511 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: it was forty years ago and nobody can remember anything, 512 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: and I'm just saying this thing happened. But yeah, they play, 513 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: they play for keeps, and I do think that unfortunately, 514 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: part of the problem here, Clay is even if most 515 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: people can see through this stuff, I mean, you keep 516 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: saying it'll get overturned on appeal, let's say in New York. Yeah, 517 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: but maybe the point is just to get the conviction. 518 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, maybe the point when the 519 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: appeal may not get turned over till after the election, 520 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: and Biden can go out and say like he's sorry. 521 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: Like victed fell In Trump, convented fell In Trump. That's 522 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: the whole point of this. 523 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: And he has to put forward still buck potentially hundreds 524 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: of millions of dollars in these fees in order. 525 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: To have the appeal. So you know, eighty eight million dollars. 526 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how many people in America have eighty 527 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: eight million dollars in cash. 528 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: Not many, five thousand, ten thousand. I mean in cash. 529 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: A lot of people have property that are super wealthy. 530 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: But you have to put forward eighty eight million dollars 531 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: or sorry, eighty three million, on top of the five 532 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: million you already had to put down and buck. Remember 533 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: they're trying to levy several hundred million dollar penalty. Letitia 534 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: James is in New York too. These are all civil 535 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: related penalties against Trump dollars as opposed to it's just crazy. 536 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 537 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: If you're a podcast and we'll take your calls eight 538 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: hundred and two two two eight a two. 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Trash and Nicky Haley for 560 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 4: for not standing up for Donald Trump? Hill. Don't you 561 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: think the guy did it? But that's he's neither here 562 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: or there. 563 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: No. I, by the way, Joe, I think all of 564 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: the evidence supports that he did not. In fact, I 565 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: don't believe that he did it at all. If I 566 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: thought he did it, I'd have a big problem with it. 567 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 4: So there's still a jury trial, she says, I believe 568 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: in the jury trial. All She's trying to do is 569 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: take a neutral position, and you guys trash or for 570 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: not defending Donald Trump. 571 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: That's hold on. First of all, she said she believes 572 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: all jury's, which is which is absurd. 573 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 4: Okay, you're splitting hairs. 574 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: No, if I said to you what Joe, Joe, if 575 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: I said to you, no, Joe, listen, if I said 576 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: to you I believe all women, would you agree with me? 577 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: No? 578 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 4: Come, we're not going to do so. 579 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: If you say that you believe all jury. Hold on. 580 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: If you say you believe all juris and basically you 581 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: believe jury's always, get it right? 582 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean, did o j Jerry? Get it right? 583 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: You know, I'm just you guys always being Trump supporters. 584 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 4: And you had Sean Hannity. Uh, he's a he's a 585 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 4: true conservative. He's not he's not a Republican. They get 586 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 4: he supports the president that spent the most money in 587 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: our history. You know, you guys are just on this 588 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 4: Trump wagon. It's no wonder they lumped us all together. Well, yeah, 589 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: you know, you guys, you guys are just Trump tutors. 590 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 5: You know. 591 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 4: I'm sorry to say that, but you didn't give anybody 592 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 4: else a chance. 593 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: Oh so you think Trump won the election because we 594 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: weren't We weren't fair enough to Nicky Haley and Ron DeSantis. 595 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 4: No, no, I I just I think he's probably got 596 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: more supporters than that. But you guys didn't help the thing. 597 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: But what should we have done? In your mind? 598 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: Well, I think you should have given a fair shake, 599 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 4: you know. I mean, you guys just are are always 600 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 4: just tooting Donald Trump's horn. 601 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: You realize that you really had a lot of Trump 602 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: supporters say that we were far too pro DeSantis, right, 603 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if you listen to the show, I assume 604 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: you've heard that criticism as well. I will say we've 605 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: never been accused of being too pro Nikki Haley. 606 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: To be fair, that's true. 607 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Well, hey, do we suck? 608 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: I think I think if you are, Thanks for the call, jup. 609 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: Well let's go to the next call. Joe's fired up? 610 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: We're being too critical on Nikki Hay. Oh sorry that 611 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: was Rob Robin Iowa. Joe is up next and he's 612 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 2: in Horseshoe Bay, Texas. What's you think, Joe? 613 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 5: Oh, listen, guys, it's so good that you took my call. 614 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 5: It's an honor to be able to get on Listen, 615 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 5: I just heard that guy before me, and I take 616 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 5: a totally different approach. If Nicky Haley, after knowing what 617 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 5: the facts are of that whole defamation case, and she 618 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 5: makes the statement that if all jury's are right and 619 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 5: everything's justified that comes out of the court proceeed, that 620 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 5: tells you a lot about her judgment. And are you 621 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 5: that or she's just getting bad advice from her hammers 622 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 5: because what she just basically did. When she did that, 623 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 5: she probably alienated fifty fifty seventy five million voters. 624 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. 625 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 2: I look, jury sometimes get things wrong, and so the 626 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: idea that trump if you look, if you what does 627 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: Nicki Haley Dincky. 628 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: Haley doesn't have a law degree, does she? She's not 629 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: a lawyer? I don't think. No, She's an accountant. Okay, 630 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: all right, So Nicki Haley is an accountant. All right, 631 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: Good for her. 632 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: If you look at this evidence at all, which I 633 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: think you have an obligation to do if you're going 634 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: to run for president and you're going to be commenting 635 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,479 Speaker 2: on this verdict, this is one of the craziest most 636 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 2: banana republic things that we have ever seen. Again, just succinctly, 637 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: they changed the statute of limitations to allow this lawsuit 638 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: to happen. They found what I think is a crazy 639 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: woman to argue that Trump sexually assaulted and raped her. 640 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: The jury that heard the evidence, without Trump really defending 641 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: himself at all, did believe that she had been raped. 642 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 2: They said, Okay, she got sexually assaulted, and now they're 643 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: charging Trump eighty eight million dollars in a verdict because 644 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 2: he said he didn't sexually assault her. This I mean, 645 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: I'm being honest as a lawyer right looking at this 646 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: as a lawyer, this is one of the most banana 647 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 2: republic kangaroo court results that I have ever seen. And 648 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: the idea that if you're running for president of the 649 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: United States, the only thing you're really selling is your judgment. 650 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: NICKI Haley's judgment to me on answering that question really poor. 651 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: This also goes into a context. This is another lawsuit 652 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: that coincides with all the other either prosecutions or lawsuits, 653 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 2: the State Attorney General of New York's lawsuit against the 654 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: Trump Organization, the four federal indictments. All this stuff is 655 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: happening because this is their plan. Their plan is to 656 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: just bury Trump in legal actions, criminal ndser and it's atrocious. 657 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: None of this stuff happened till the guy ran for president. 658 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing? 659 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: None of this stuff occurred, nothing was important enough until 660 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: the year twenty. Come on, everybody, we can put together 661 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: what's happening here? Everyone can see it. I said, and 662 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: I continue, And no one has been able to refute this. 663 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: I bet there has never been a person who is 664 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: over the age of seventy five that has spent his 665 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: entire life never charged with a felony for anything, that 666 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: suddenly faces felony charges in four different jurisdictions after the 667 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: age of seventy five. Probably a total coincidence, Buck that 668 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: had happened right after he became a Republican and in 669 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: the election year too, Wow, no doubt timing.