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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Polette

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Speaker 1: Sitting in crush from me as usual is senior writer

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. Hey there, So what do you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about today? Today? I thought we'd talked about something.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those topics that we get a lot

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Speaker 1: of requests for out of tech Stuff. Yes, it is

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Speaker 1: not the Tech Conspiracy Theory podcast that's still in the works.

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Speaker 1: We're getting tons of mail about that, guys. We know

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Speaker 1: on that, so we're still working on that one. This

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Speaker 1: is a different topic that we've received several requests for.

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Speaker 1: It's the Microsoft Zoom Ah. Yes. Now, not that long ago.

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Speaker 1: Microsoft unveiled the Zoom HD, the newest in its line

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Speaker 1: of Zoom products. But it's one of those things that

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's, let's face it, the Zoo is in

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Speaker 1: that's not true. No, not anymore. So we're talking about

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Speaker 1: MP three players, actually personal media players, really is what

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Speaker 1: so many of them do more than one thing these days. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's not just MP three's however. Uh, the Zoom HD

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Speaker 1: clearly is in the same general market as the iPod Touch. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're not. They don't stack up the same against each other.

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Speaker 1: comparing them is not exactly apples to apples, but they are,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I was gonna go with oranges to oranges,

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Speaker 1: to avoid. So let's talk a little bit about the Zoo. Now.

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Speaker 1: Microsoft unveiled the first zoons back in two thousand six,

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Speaker 1: right back in November two thousand six. So this this

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Speaker 1: the bomber. I thought squirt was a kind of soft drink.

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Speaker 1: over without installing the software. Well, Zoom software is a

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Speaker 1: free download. Yeah, it's a free down. Well so is iTunes?

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Speaker 1: Now all iTunes work with Zoom. No, iTunes won't work

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Speaker 1: with anything other than iPods, and the Zoom probably will

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Speaker 1: I do. I did have the Zoom software on my

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Speaker 1: It was, you know, get a free download, you can

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Speaker 1: mess with it. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: just like iTunes, um, with lots and lots of bells

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Speaker 1: really the usefulness is somewhat limited for me, right right?

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Speaker 1: What does it features? Such as a quick play, which

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Speaker 1: The smart DJ, which is uh, you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: playlists from kind of like genius on the iPod. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I didn't want to use the G word,

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Speaker 1: but well, I mean, you know, like I said, comparisons

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Speaker 1: go ahead and say it. And then there's mosaic, which

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Speaker 1: So it's sort of like the music geno my guess

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Speaker 1: there there's some things about the Zoom that I think

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Speaker 1: And again a lot of the things I don't like

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Speaker 1: songs you cannot purchase some songs without purchasing the entire album. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: that same thing is true in iTunes as well. There's

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Speaker 1: they will only sell you the full album. They will

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Speaker 1: not sell you song by song, or they'll tell you

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Speaker 1: some of the songs, but you can only buy you know,

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Speaker 1: like tracks ten through if you can get tracks three, seven,

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Speaker 1: and you know twelve and that's it. But and that

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Speaker 1: an album from beginning to end. But so many albums

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Speaker 1: out there just feel like it's just a collection of songs,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like there's any theme or any

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Speaker 1: vary quite a bit from one song to the next.

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Speaker 1: So I love being able to purchase song by song

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Speaker 1: the stuff that I like, even from bands that I

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Speaker 1: really enjoy, because I'm not a collector, so I don't

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Speaker 1: I do. But I don't have to That was a

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Speaker 1: bad example better things, Um, but yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: don't have to have every single song from a particular

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Speaker 1: artist if and if I have the option to buy

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Speaker 1: it song by song, I like that. Now. Again, not

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Speaker 1: Microsoft fault. This is some thing that the record labels dictate,

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Speaker 1: but that affects the Zoom Pass as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: some of these songs you can't get on Zoom Pass

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Speaker 1: because again, the record labels want you to purchase that music,

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to just rent it. Um. Overall,

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Speaker 1: I would say the Zoo is a really really nice

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Speaker 1: personal media player. And if there if it were in

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Speaker 1: the Zoom HD had come out a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: I think they'd be a major player in the space

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Speaker 1: right now. But because of the iPod Touch, because you

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Speaker 1: have this essential essentially a miniature computer that's competing against

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Speaker 1: this personal media player, it's almost guaranteed to be an

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Speaker 1: also ran. Well then I think, uh, to to your

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Speaker 1: doing better with the Zoom is because of all the

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Speaker 1: features that they could put in the Zoom but belong

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Speaker 1: to Windows Mobile to ices, and so the Zoom is

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Speaker 1: always and I just can't. They're supposed to add in

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Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook features, So I would assume you would

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Speaker 1: be able to update your status with whatever it is

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Speaker 1: you're listening or consuming on your Zoom. Yeah. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: just it just seems like Microsoft, by by imposing its

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Speaker 1: with the zoo. Again, if this were a world where

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Speaker 1: the iPod Touch did not exist, I think it would

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Speaker 1: be a killer device. Yeah. But and it's got it's

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Speaker 1: got some serious, uh seriously powerful media capabilities. It's just

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Speaker 1: that it's going to appeal to a different audience, and

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Speaker 1: and Microsoft has split its audience, right, and there are

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Speaker 1: people out there who are die hard Zoom fans, and

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Speaker 1: you know what I can understand. Like, like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's a great device, Um, I just I don't see

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Speaker 1: it winning over any Apple fans. Like I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's any I don't think it's compelling. Not No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I'm curious to know if Apple is considering

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