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Speaker 1: win the day, trying to win every single day. This

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Speaker 1: is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring healthy

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Speaker 1: and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacoor from the Reformed

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Speaker 1: Sports Project podcast. Joining me today is Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: basketball coach Jim Calhoun. Coach Calhoun just retired, ending his

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Speaker 1: twenty six years at Yukon where he led the team

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Speaker 1: Calhoun and I discuss how to build team culture, the

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Speaker 1: I am so freaking excited to have another unbelievable guest.

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Speaker 1: I can just say his name and that's intro enough.

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Speaker 1: But former head coach from the University of Connecticut, the

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for hopping on, sir. I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. It's been a while, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: I want to start with you, coach. Obviously we're talking youth,

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Speaker 1: a lot of correlation people are taking. You know, when

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Speaker 1: So how do you Obviously you got to recruit, right,

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Speaker 1: How do you create a culture, That's where I'm going

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