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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known facts

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Speaker 2: and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music and more.

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Speaker 2: A very happy twenty twenty five to you and yours,

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Speaker 2: and we are as ever your two mascara smeared mavens

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Speaker 2: of misanthropy, your theatrical mallpunks of trivia. I'm Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: That was fantastic, and I've Jordan run tug before we

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Speaker 1: go any further. You forgot one your hot topic heroes.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not you.

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Speaker 2: It sounds good as yours, but you need the three.

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Speaker 2: It's the rule of three and Jordan. Today we are

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Speaker 2: getting to a longtime listener request and visiting those eternal

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Speaker 2: mal goths from New Jersey, not the Misfits, the other guys,

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Speaker 2: My Chemical Romance and their sophomore album three Cheers for

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Speaker 2: Sweet Revenge. Since researching this band that I have not

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Speaker 2: thought of in any substantial way since Friends of Ours

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Speaker 2: did a cover set once, I've learned that the Black

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Speaker 2: Parade is like their Sergeant Pepper's or I literally saw

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Speaker 2: someone making that comparison, but they are firmly lodged in

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Speaker 2: my consciousness as in the three Cheers for Sweet Revenge era,

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Speaker 2: and it's their mainstream breakthrough. So we're going with that,

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Speaker 2: but more what interests me, you know, on the face

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Speaker 2: of it, I would like to get out of the

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Speaker 2: get out of the way. I don't like this band.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the sounds that they make, I don't

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Speaker 2: like the words that they write so full stop, but

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Speaker 2: I think they are fascinating as part of I'm always

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Speaker 2: interested when subcultures go mainstream. I think that is such

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Speaker 2: a fascinating example of how American society and American pop

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Speaker 2: culture operates. And this is one of those bands. And

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Speaker 2: so it's an interesting way for me to talk about

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Speaker 2: what I call malgoth emo, you know, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: emo or DC hardcore emo or Midwest emo. You know

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Speaker 2: that really crystallized in the mainstream in and around the

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Speaker 2: early opts. You know, it's such a fascil umbrella that

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Speaker 2: like everything from Bright Eyes I'm Wide Awake It's Morning,

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Speaker 2: Thursday y Yeah, and Brand New and MCR are all

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Speaker 2: lumped under that specific moment. Fallout Boys a band I

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Speaker 1: I forgot that that they were out of that seat.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so used to that.

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Speaker 2: Well, they were Chicago and they're they're another really interesting

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Speaker 2: example of like my chemical romance, like guys that were

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Speaker 2: in just like the hardcore punk scene and then we're like, eh,

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Speaker 2: So that is interesting to me, and they are certainly

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Speaker 2: one of the more unique bands to come out of that.

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Speaker 2: So many other bands that came up in this we're

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Speaker 2: not taking the big swing the way that this band was.

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Speaker 2: And as much as it some of it greats on,

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Speaker 2: well all of it greats on, I have to applaud them.

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Speaker 2: Choices were made, and they continue to make choices, including

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Speaker 2: a lucrative reunion tour this year. So playing the album

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Speaker 2: we are not talking about as always, our timing remains stellar.

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Speaker 2: I did go back and relisten to this album though,

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Speaker 2: And they are good songwriters, I have to I have

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Speaker 1: That's a slightly better compliment than they make choices.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because like their early stuff

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Speaker 2: is so hardcore influenced in like frantic and frashy, and

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Speaker 2: was like, you guys need to write choruses, and they

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Speaker 2: I Think Helena and I'm Not Okay are two of

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Speaker 2: the high water marks of this era of like pop punk.

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Speaker 2: It's pop punk, I mean, that's what we should call it.

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Speaker 2: It's popunk songwriting with like the guy shreds occasionally and

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Speaker 2: that's cool. But he was really watching these videos that

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Speaker 2: took me back and sat me firmly in that era

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Speaker 2: of like watching the I'm Not Okay video, watching the

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Speaker 2: what about you, I've spoken enough.

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Speaker 1: It did not connect with me, which was surprising for

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I think. I hate about them, right,

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Speaker 2: I am not interested. But yeah, I mean I also

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Speaker 2: hearing as someone who was so opposed at every step

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Speaker 2: in any political way just because you're weird. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: was gonna say, yeah, what was your take of this

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Speaker 2: remember guys suddenly starting to wear like white belts? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the music itself kind of missed me, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, dude, I mean the girl who I

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Speaker 2: That's what's so crazy about it because it would be

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Speaker 1: The style was kind of cool to me because again

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about this in a Strokes episode.

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Speaker 1: There were too many of those in the huge, mega mainstream.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I would argue this is the last time rock

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my first concerts were going to these shows actually

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Speaker 1: Safe Saves the Day, taking Back Sunday out Fine Trio.

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Speaker 1: I actually went and would wear my you know, super

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Speaker 2: Like what they started wearing around the around when they

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Speaker 3: You know, in honor of people like my chemical romance. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I liked everything about it except for the music,

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Speaker 2: No, and that's the thing that I think is so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Gee Piccioto, Rights of Spring and Fugazi, because if you

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Speaker 2: watch the one Fugazzi documentary, instrument like he is wearing

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Speaker 2: the brief moment when emo, with all of its problematic

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Speaker 2: didn't know about My Chemical Romances. Three cheers for Sweet Revenge.

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Speaker 1: One quick thing before we dive in, and it's really

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Speaker 1: like almost like ice cream chord fifties change. It's like,

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Speaker 1: do you know the song driving in the Dark by Saves.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a fifties pop song.

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Speaker 2: You know, it wouldn't surprise me. I do think some

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Speaker 2: But Weezer's fascinating because I don't think Weezer, you know,

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Speaker 2: stuff was like he was thinking of like seventies guitar shred.

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Speaker 2: He was not thinking of he.

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Speaker 3: Loved kids all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly anyway, So we'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 2: But before I get to that, did you know that

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Speaker 2: we have nine to eleven to thank for my chemical romance?

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Speaker 2: And that is a value free question.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: It's true for all of my nine to eleven the Arcana, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: was an introverted kid growing up in Belleville, New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: I grew up without sunlight. We lived in a basement,

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Speaker 2: bands like capt'n Jazz, Braid Mineral, Jimmy Eat, World, The

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Speaker 2: I don't know, five years ago thanks to their song

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Speaker 2: never meant. Somebody has synced it over school of rock footage.

433
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: Here it was a bunch of TikTok stuff. I think

434
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: that people started just syncing it to different stuff.

435
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: I think the guitarists in my high school band would

436
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: like play this over and over at practice, but I

437
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: don't recognize it otherwise.

438
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: Now, I guess it started picking up as a meme

439
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: in like two thousand and fifteen, like people made us

440
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: sink of it with Super Mario sixty four sounds yeah. Anyway,

441
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 2: American Football I like them, But I found this quote

442
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: from Gerardway about the whole Emo thing. Basically, emo's never

443
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: been accurate to describe us. Emo bands were being booked

444
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: while we were touring with Christian metal bands because no

445
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: one would book us on tours. I think Emo is

446
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: in garbage. It's bull I think that there's bands who

447
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: in four dunally we get lumped in with that are

448
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: considered emo, and by default that starts to make us emo.

449
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: So on. On the East Coast, by the time intern

450
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: Gerard Way was watching nine to eleven in real time,

451
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: there was a thriving scene in New Jersey and Long

452
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: Island of bands playing loosely this style of music census fail,

453
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: Thursday Saves the Day, taking back Sunday brand new, and

454
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: of these bands, it was Thursday. They would have the

455
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: most direct impact on My Chemical Romance thanks to lead

456
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: singer Jeff Rickley, who had a house in New Brunswick

457
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: and would throw shows in the basement and that place,

458
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: and those shows had roughly the same I don't know,

459
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: roughly had the kind of impact that the DC hardcore

460
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: scene had. And Jeff Rickley, who seems by all accounts

461
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: to be a lovely man, never meant to start this thing,

462
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: but people talk about this house that he had like

463
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: it was CBGB's. I think Thursday started in ninety seven,

464
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: but by two thousand and five, after My Chemical Romance

465
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: a lot of the other bands broke through. The New

466
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: York Times was reporting backwards asking him and these other

467
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: bands about the new Brunswick scene, and so in two

468
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: thousand and five he Rick Jefferick told the paper we

469
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 2: just wanted to have a place for people in the

470
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: area to come see music. It wasn't the most original idea,

471
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: but I had house in New Brunswick I was renting

472
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: with a basement, and it just grew out of that.

473
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: It was a little sanctuary of a place. So many

474
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: kids would show up that we'd open the storm windows

475
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: so they could hear. One time we flagged down an

476
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: ice cream truck for three hundred kids. Alex Savedra, who

477
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: founded Eyeball Records, which was the first label to sign

478
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: Thursday and My Chemical Romance, among many others, added you

479
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: could fit maybe one hundred people in there, and then

480
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: you'd have kids in the driveway, in the backyard, kids

481
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: with their ears pressed against the windows trying to listen.

482
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: It was the sweatiest, smelliest thing, but it was incredible.

483
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: Gerard Way remembered in this co interview he did with

484
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: Jeff Rickley and Vice. We'd run into these guys at

485
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: a show, like another band's show, which is how you'd

486
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: always meet each other and think, actually, they're pretty cool.

487
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: I remember that benefit show where the lineup was Saves

488
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: the Day, taking back Sunday and Thursday, and you could

489
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: feel everything starting to gel.

490
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: Well, those were like the Big Three, at least in

491
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: my high school. Maybe maybe recursive, maybe with bright eyes.

492
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially on that. I mean, the whole Long

493
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: Island scene is so East Jersey and Long Island are

494
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: really linked as far as this kind of stuff.

495
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, since nine to eleven, Way had coraled his younger

496
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: brother Mikey to play bass along with djummer Matt Pellisier

497
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: and guitarist Ray Toro. They quickly hit the same dive

498
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: bar and diy venu circuit the rest of their peers had.

499
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: After picking the name My Chemical Romance from Irving Welsh's

500
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: Ecstasy Three Tales of Chemical Romance, which Mikey Way spotted

501
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: in a Barnes and Noble he was working at, they

502
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: cut a number of demos and Pelessier's attic and then

503
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: a studio in the basement to capture both hives of

504
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: the experience before catching Rickley's eye. Gerard Way recalled seeing

505
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Rickley for the first time in kerm kny kern

506
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: kurermy not kermey. It's not okay, So it's not with

507
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: Miss Picky calls Kermit the frog, it's krem as if.

508
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: Kiarney stop putting an eminent with the.

509
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: R in the end, it looks like an m alright,

510
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: this is folks. This is my first episode taped after

511
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I turned thirty seven. You're about to witness me making

512
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: the fart bigger for the first time on my computer.

513
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: This is a historic moment in my life. Okay, isn't that?

514
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: And you are right, it is Kearney, just a fair

515
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: just I'm just seeing it is kier me a fairly

516
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: common word. Gerard waivercalled seeing Jeff Rickley, which is a

517
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: name I, for some reason cannot pronounce. For the first

518
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: time in Kiarney, New Jersey, in a joint interview for Vice.

519
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: You were real skinny, and you look like you were dying,

520
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: and you were so pale with this jet black hair.

521
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: It looked like the son was killing him.

522
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: Long pause.

523
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: And I thought he was super cool. That was the look.

524
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, dude, less cool about this was for

525
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: me in Central Pennsylvania was that like a lot of

526
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: the guys of these local bands were in college, and

527
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the kids go into shows were teenage girls.

528
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: Correct. That is correct.

529
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: Way played Rickley a nascent version of the My Chemical

530
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: Remants song Vampires Will Never Hurt You, which both admit

531
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: was quote horrible at the time. Rickley then came to

532
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: a practice and was so distracted by the nascent band's

533
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: current drummer's lack of aptitude that he didn't remember any songs.

534
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: But he was struck by Waye's concept and.

535
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: Vision for the band, and he agreed to produce a

536
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: record for them. Way described his vision succinctly in Tom

537
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Bryant's book on My Chemical Romance, Not the Life it seems.

538
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be more than a band, he said.

539
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be this really intense art project.

540
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy Sounds.

541
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: To add to that, I will say that this band

542
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: had a very accelerated route to stardom that did not

543
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: seem fast enough for them. They had this big chip

544
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: on their shoulder because they toured really hard for a

545
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: year year and like a half before they signed with

546
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers. So I find a lot of their like

547
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: it was us against the world like attitude really really grating,

548
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Like you got someone to produce a record for you

549
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: within three months of becoming a band, and then fully

550
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: thirteen months after that, you were signed to warners like

551
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: cry Me a Fin River. Anyway, the band had a

552
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: full band. They had a full band demo of Vampires

553
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: Will Never Hurt You from the basement sessions that ultimately

554
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: just ended up being on their debut, which is called

555
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: I Brought You My Bullets You Brought Me Your Love

556
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: because of how intense the take was. But this crystallized

557
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: their need for another guitarist. Soon to be second guitarist,

558
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: Frankie Arrow told Krang I was hanging out why they

559
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: recorded the demo of Vampires Will Never Hurt You, and

560
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: I got really really high. Ray Toro, the other guitarist,

561
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: had laid down fourteen guitar parts, and somebody said, if

562
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: you add another guitarist, you could play live. Someone replied,

563
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: the only guy we've considered is too high to get

564
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: off the couch. That was the first time I thought

565
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: I might play in my favorite band. It scared the

566
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: shit out of me. Ero apparently joined while they were

567
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: recording their debut. He would run from the studio outside

568
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: to the van to like write and record parts and

569
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: then run back in to track them, which I thought

570
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: was really cute. They recorded this album again three months

571
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: after they formed, and you know, it kind of shows

572
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: their time in the studio was somewhat fraught. Gerardway had

573
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: a dental abscess and was dulling that pain with vicodin,

574
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: and Jeff Rickley quickly deduced that this was negatively impacting

575
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: his vocal performance. So, as Rickley recalled, I took the

576
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: vicodin away from him and started eating them while I

577
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: was making the records. And then there's this from label

578
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: co founder Alex Savedra, And this is in Dan Ozzy's

579
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: great book about sort of the mainstreamification of all these

580
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: subgenres punk, grunge, EMAI. It's called Sellout. Wade did finally

581
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: have a procedure to get that obsess addressed, but his

582
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: post procedure swelling was getting in the way of his vocals,

583
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: so Alex Savedra took matters into his own hands. I

584
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: punched Gerard in the face, he said, I thought I

585
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: knocked him out. At first, it shocked the out of him.

586
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: In hindsight, it was very jockish, but at the time

587
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: it made sense. I think the masochist in him really

588
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. It definitely hurt but it amped him up.

589
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: It was a different kind of pain. He slaid that

590
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: vocal take right after and while before we get off

591
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: Jeff Erickley, I have to note that Martin Screlly, the

592
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: pharma bro thing that I teased earlier was that Screlly

593
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: was an angel investor in Jeff Rickley's band. Martin Screlley

594
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: was the weasel faced little kid who became a sort

595
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: of national villain when it was revealed that he'd made

596
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: so much of his money like jacking up various pharmaceutical

597
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: met medicine and then became like a He bought like

598
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: the million dollar Wu Tang album. And apparently he's also

599
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: a fan of Northeast Emo because he was an angel

600
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: investor in Jeff Rickley's record label that he found in

601
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: and when Jeff Rickley found out, he severed all ties

602
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: and I believe the label went under. And here's just

603
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: a fun back and forth from that Vice interview. Girod

604
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: Way pills were really a thing back then. I mean

605
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: they're a thing now, but I remember them being the

606
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: thing that was always passed around. It felt like everyone

607
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: was always trying to figure out how to get vicd in.

608
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Jeff Rickley it did feel like that, mostly because that

609
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: was what I was trying to do all the time.

610
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: Drummer Matt Pelsier also refused to record to a click

611
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: track Rookie move, making overdubs difficult. Ray Torro later told

612
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: Kerrang of the album, you can hear the nervousness and excitement.

613
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: Every song speeds up, which gives them a lot of character.

614
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: I like the rawness, especially in the vocals. It sounds

615
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: very true.

616
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: Are you pro anti click track? You know?

617
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: I understands people argument against it, but also grow up. Uh,

618
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to be a professional, it's

619
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: like it's like turning off spell checker and like sending

620
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: and writing. You know, it's just just it's a thing.

621
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: You want to be a professional. You want to make good.

622
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: You want to make it easy in the studio. On

623
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: the rest of your bandmates who have to play to

624
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: your dog drumming, play it with a click, okay, especially

625
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: with like when you're making guitar music, where's people are

626
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: going to be doing so many overdubs. If you know,

627
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: we have to deal with your speeding up by ten

628
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: clicks over a performance. That's a pain in the ass,

629
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: So suck it up. And play it a damn click

630
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: you children.

631
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: That was Alex Hagel for click Tracks.

632
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: The metronome I was. I was talking about this online

633
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: when I was when I was in this phase of

634
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: my life, when I was reading Henry Rawlins Spoken Word

635
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: and you know, affecting a really intense middle distance stare.

636
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: One of his things was talking about weightlifting, and he

637
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: was like, you know, if you're really into weightlifting.

638
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: And I am.

639
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: That's not a Henry Rollins impression, by the way, but

640
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: I can't do one. But he's like, if you're really

641
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: into weightlifting, you know you have to stop thinking of

642
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: the bar as your enemy. The bar is not your enemy.

643
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: The bar is your friend. It's there to help you

644
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: grow stronger. And that's what a click track is. The

645
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: click track is not something to fight against. It's there

646
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: to help you and make you better.

647
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.

648
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

649
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: more too much information after these messages.

650
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Dridway's lyrical and conceptual bent had already revealed itself.

651
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: The album title itself remind us what that is.

652
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: I brought you my bullets, you brought me your love

653
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: versus the other way around. I brought you your bullets.

654
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: You brought you my bullets. You brought me.

655
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I brought you my bullets.

656
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: You brought me your love. Bullets and love were exchanged.

657
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: The album title itself came from a short story Jardway

658
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: had written in high school about Prohibition eraic gangster murders

659
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: in Chicago.

660
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: I have to assume it's about the same Valentine's same aspect, right, yeah,

661
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.

662
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: The song wan Rouville is a nod to your beloved

663
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh area, town where George A. Romero filmed the first

664
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: two Neither Living Dead films, and where friend of the

665
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Pond George Clinton and his band funked or possibly Parliament

666
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: I forget which. We're tripping on acid when they stumbled

667
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: upon the shoot for Neither Living Dead and thought that

668
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: jombies were presumably out to kill.

669
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: Them, just recoiled.

670
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that anyway.

671
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: The song wan Rouville supposedly sets up the plot to

672
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: the band's follow up record, Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge,

673
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: with the tale of two Bonnie and Clyde ask loves,

674
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: as was the tradition of the time. My Chemical Romance

675
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: released three singles, Vampires Will Never hurt you, honey, this

676
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: mirror isn't big enough for the two of us.

677
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: And head first for Halos.

678
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: These were released as free downloads on Pure Volume, Wow, TBT,

679
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: and MySpace, which helped their fan base grow as they

680
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: continued an intense live schedule. Geard Way later said that

681
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: the only goal of the debut album was to launch them.

682
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: As a touring concern.

683
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: But these singles did better in the UK than they

684
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: did the United States, which makes sense because that would

685
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: have been around the time that Darkness was huge, right,

686
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like Theater Kid, Mescara Energy. It makes sense.

687
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: I just want to point out, Oh sorry, let me

688
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: let you finish this graph. Finish this graph.

689
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: This was, as you mentioned, part of the chorus for

690
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: a lot of American bands at that time doing better

691
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: in the UK, bands like the Strokes.

692
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 3: And that's the only band you listed.

693
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: In Pool probably oh.

694
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Interpool, that's fine.

695
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: And the rest.

696
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: Yes, the British were very early adopters to the my

697
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: chemical romance phenomena can we say phenomena?

698
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: And the Used apparently, which is a band I've also

699
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: not thought about in decades, But the Brits loved The Used.

700
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: I would also like to by virtue of living in

701
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: the Bay Area. Point out that AFI walked, so My

702
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance could run interesting. And I think the Gerard

703
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: Way knows this because he's not mentioned them as an influence.

704
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: But AFI started like a solid ten years before them,

705
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: and their big commercial breakthrough seing the Sorrow that Girls

706
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: Not Gray was off of and where Davy Havot came

707
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: out looking like sex on toast, that came out like

708
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: a full year before My Chemical Romance started recording Three

709
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: Cheers for Sweet Revenge, by the way, So you know,

710
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: just want to give shouts to AFI, who are a

711
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: good band, and we're doing this like wildly theater. I mean,

712
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: Davey Havoc played the main character of American Idiot on

713
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Broadway like he was a theater kid, and he was

714
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: doing this whole eyeliner misfits ripoff stuff when Gerard Way

715
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: was still at SBA. So I just want to point

716
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: that out because I think Girard knows that and doesn't

717
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: talk about it anyway. The band's live shows were notably

718
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: insane around this time. They were all self medicating to

719
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: various degrees for everything from stage fright to the usual

720
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: just depressed twenty something guy Mikey Way and Gerard would

721
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: both end up in rehab decades later. Mikey told Korrang

722
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: that at their very first show, he drank seven beers

723
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: in five minutes, which has to be some kind of

724
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: a record. With their increased touring, Girard's intake also increased.

725
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Alcohol was a coping tool. He told Kerrang. There were

726
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: just so many hours to kill and the music was

727
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: so intense. It was about a lot of dark, up things,

728
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: and I had to live through them every time we played.

729
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: That's why I was drinking. The band for a while

730
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: had a page on their website that logged their injuries

731
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: as like fake medical logs. H and Jerrar's most gruesome

732
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: came when Frank Guierro kicked him in the butt on stage,

733
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: which accidentally propelled Gerard Way face first into a fan

734
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: and the resulting headbut collision. Mike Sandwich severed his frenulum,

735
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: which is that skinny bit of tissue that connects your

736
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: upper lip to your gums, and so you can see

737
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: in interviews that he like kind of talks out of

738
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: the side of his mouth, which I think he developed

739
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: as a way to compensate for that. So that's disgusting,

740
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: but props to them.

741
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to need a minute.

742
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh it's gross.

743
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: Has it affected his singing and his diction when he sings?

744
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't you know. I don't know. I don't think

745
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: he's talked. He's talked about it a little bit, but

746
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me search. I've searched a lot

747
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: of weird things. I just searched Gerard Way monkey, so

748
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: let me now search Gerard Way frenulum from the My

749
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance sub sub reddit.

750
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: Text one if you think the injury to Groadway's friendulum

751
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: affects his singing indiction, and text two if you think

752
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: it does not.

753
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe you get it. Yeah, whatever,

754
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: I spent too much time thinking about that.

755
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: My Chemical Romance toured relentlessly after Bullets came out. Way said,

756
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: we played with Christian bands, metal bands, hardcore bands, indie bands, anyone.

757
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Only five or ten people were there to see us,

758
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: but they were our people, and they'd be noisy too.

759
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I once watched someone clock a kid who'd been having

760
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: a go at us in the face.

761
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: It was awesome having a go at us. It's very

762
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: English that.

763
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: Is very brave. What an affectation for a kid from

764
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: North Jersey. It's like saying I was in hospital, and

765
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: you know I went to hospital shortly after I couldn't

766
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: for the life of me stop them from getting into

767
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: a row.

768
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: Gave me a fright and really messed up my holiday.

769
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: Sorry. Sorry, listeners like the listeners like the span of

770
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: his listener request. I think part of liking this band

771
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: is admitting to the cringe though. I hope, I hope

772
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: you all have a good sense of humor about it.

773
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: We had a friend of the pod comment on the

774
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: Weezer episode saying that you like it's very cute all

775
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: Heigel's going out of his way to try to spare

776
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Weezer fans feelings, and we Weezer fans are actually the

777
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: most intense when it comes to shreshing Weezer. Yeah, thanks

778
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: to the growing buzz for my chemical romance, they signed

779
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: with Warner brother subsidiary Reprise Records, founded by Freaks Sinatra.

780
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: I want to.

781
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: Add, yeah, whatever's.

782
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: Just a funny combination.

783
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, it's true. Also in New Jersey.

784
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: Icon oh true true true true.

785
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: And in the grand tradition of emo guys into young girls.

786
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh, we have the exact day they signed August thirty first,

787
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. What do you think you were

788
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: doing in August twenty first, two thousand and three to start.

789
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: Sophomore high school?

790
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: I was twelve?

791
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: No, you weren't.

792
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: No, you're right, No I wasn't. I was. Oh God,

793
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: I was.

794
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: You're about to turn sixteen?

795
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: You're about turned sixteen?

796
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: Summer I was sixteen, some we were fifteen.

797
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: It was somewhere between freshman and sophomore year of our

798
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: high school.

799
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: In nothing. I think, probably playing a lot of tetris.

800
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the summer that I was in love

801
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: with like the original emo girl brush I had and

802
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: her screen name. Our relationship consisted almost like solely of

803
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: talking on Aim late at night and her Instagram is what.

804
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: I was doing for sure, actually was having a lot

805
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: of AIM conversations.

806
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: And her screen name was I think it was I

807
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: think it was a taken back Sunday lyric. It was

808
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: a certain tragedy and a series of numbers.

809
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: Oh did you have the did you know the people

810
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: who put the X at the beginning of theirs? Like

811
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: X a certain tragedy? X? Was that just a central

812
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania thing.

813
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: No, I think she had numbers. I think I think

814
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: she just yeah, I don't know. That was that because

815
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: it had been taken and they needed the I.

816
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Meanly that a straight edge It's definitely that or a

817
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: straight edge thing. I mean because like in Central Pa,

818
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: there was like a really there was it wasn't is

819
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: like a pretty strong legitimate hardcore scene, and that splinters

820
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: in so many directions, but like you know, there was

821
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: there were definitely a lot of kids who are like

822
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: did the exes at shows and everything.

823
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Well, as you mentioned earlier, My Chemical Romance signed to

824
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers approximately thirteen months after their first album was released,

825
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: which is hey, hell of a trajectory.

826
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: What a time to be alive.

827
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: Part of the press announcement of their signing included the

828
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: phrase this is an evolution and you could be part

829
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: of the change, Oh my god, or stuck eating your

830
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: own on a quest for fire.

831
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: Pick that apart for.

832
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: Me, I mean, like I said, quote Machine, Yeah, but

833
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: a big talker.

834
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: Are they big enough to be talking this way? No?

835
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: But that's kind of always the appeal. And that's what's

836
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: so interesting about him is talking about like getting shammered

837
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: so that he could just be this character on stage,

838
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: like and starting to even like at some points in

839
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: the depths of his like insane drinking a bottle of

840
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: vodka a day on tour, being like, now I have

841
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: to become Gerard, you know. And that's I mean, that's

842
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: that's part of what goes into why I find this

843
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: band fascinating. Is that whole bit of like, you know,

844
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: traditionally when you think of like hardcore and punk, you know,

845
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: this whole idea of like, oh well, we just roll

846
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: up on stage and our our normal clothes and like

847
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: we just you know, do it, and this it's authenticity

848
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. But like this band consciously, because

849
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: he was a theater kid, was like, no, I have

850
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: a separate role as this front man. But deep down

851
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: I am like a fat kid who lived in the

852
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: basement and was obsessed with comics and dungeons and dragons.

853
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: And that's cool. I would like to add that at

854
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: the time I was developing, you know, burgeoning body dysmorphia, Uh,

855
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: it was a breath of fresh air to see a

856
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: full fit, gured frontman who promptly got unhealthily skinny when

857
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: he you know, detoxed. But yeah, man, compared to like

858
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: those Twigs in like Blood Brothers and all of these

859
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: other bands, it's just nice to see. Anyway, I thought

860
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: it was Jackie Chan that did it too, Jackie Chan,

861
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: Bruce Lee van Am, Yeah, just a steady diet of

862
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: action films.

863
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it was also hardcore front man also, No, I.

864
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: Mean just but like everyone was like deathly skinny at

865
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: that time. That was just like how men looked. I'll

866
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: get into this later. In two thousand and five, Gerard

867
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: told kerrang And what is un unspeakably funny quote to me,

868
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: I've been obsessed with revenge ever since I heard the

869
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: Black Flag song. Revenge just so funny to me. Like

870
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: I've been obsessed with rainbows ever since I heard the

871
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: Judy Arland song Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

872
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: Okay, mates, I heard the Radiohead album in Rainbows.

873
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you not know of revenge as a concept before?

874
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, I've been obsessed with the concept of being happy

875
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: ever since I heard for a Williams song Happy. I've

876
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: been obsessed with being heart ever since I heard Rams

877
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: Everybody Hurts.

878
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: I've been obsessed with destroying ever since I heard the

879
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: kiss song Destroyer and also strutting. Ever since I heard

880
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: the kiss song Strutter anyway, I've been sorry.

881
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: Dudes who look like ladies ever since I heard the

882
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: Arismi songs.

883
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: I've been obsessed with young dudes ever since I heard

884
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: All the Young Dudes by Mata Hoopl featuring David Bowie. Okay,

885
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm calling it into that bit. Choose the best ones

886
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: in the edit. So this band of young white men

887
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: who'd recorded a debut record three months after forming and

888
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: signed with a major label less than a year after that,

889
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 2: decided to make their Persecution the theme of their sophomore record.

890
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: As Gerard Way went on to explain, revenge started to

891
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: mean something to this band. We thought we could get

892
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: even for all that's happened to us in our lives,

893
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: for being raised by good parents in a really bad area.

894
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: Revenge that could mean we could break out and see

895
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: the world. Most of all, revenge for all the people

896
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: who never believed in us. Again. You toured for like

897
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: a year, dude. All of our friends in Brooklyn were

898
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: touring for like five to six regularly before and losing money.

899
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: And I mean Seth who wrote our Seth Applebaum of

900
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: Ghost Funk Orchestra who wrote our theme music. You know

901
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: Mad Doctors, his surf punk band Mad Doctors were a

902
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: touring band before he got into Ghost Funk. Also, Ghost

903
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: Funk has been touring for like years and they don't

904
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: have a Warner Labori's contract you children, you literal actual children.

905
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: My chemical Gloria Maas was actually right follow up material

906
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: while on tour in two thousand and three. But the

907
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Way Brothers were rocked by the.

908
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: They were rocked like a Hurricane, a song they had

909
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: been obsessed with ever since. Rocking like a hurricane by

910
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: the Scorpions.

911
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Well they okay, they were rocked by the death of

912
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: their beloved grandmother.

913
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: But it's it's so much what.

914
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: They were rocked by the death of their beloved grandmother.

915
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the word choice there, shattered. Sure, they

916
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 3: were shadowed.

917
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: They've been obsessed. They'd been obsessed with being shattered ever

918
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: since they heard the Rolling Stone song shattered. I can

919
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: do this all night.

920
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: The Way Brothers were shattered by the death of their

921
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: beloved grandmother, Elena.

922
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to I'm gonna get through.

923
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: This, who died the day after they got back from

924
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a tour in November two thousand and three, Gerard says

925
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: in the band Bile not the way it seems every

926
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: single emotion you go through and your grieving is on revenge.

927
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: When you really break down the record, it's about two

928
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: little boys losing their grandmother.

929
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh.

930
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: This would be most apparent in the records opener Helena,

931
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: which was the familiar nickname for the Way's grandmother, which

932
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: not only acts as a farewell to her, but as

933
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: a vehicle for Way to air his guilt over spending

934
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: most of the last years of her life on tour.

935
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: Oh, but that's actually really wanted it.

936
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: I was, really I know. It's a really angry open

937
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: letter to myself, he told Korrang. It's about why I

938
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: wasn't around for this woman who was so special to me.

939
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: Why I wasn't there for the last year for life.

940
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: I have to assume. It's also a reference to the

941
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven Misfits album with their non Glenden Ziglude singer.

942
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: The album is called Famous Monsters, and they had a

943
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: song on there called Helena, which is a loose retelling

944
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: of the nineteen ninety two or One Bomb of a

945
00:49:53,560 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: movie boxing Helena, starring the recently deceased Julian Sands, and

946
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: and then Twin Peaks star Sherylyn Fenn and directed by

947
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lynch, David Lynch's daughter like Bill Paxson's in that too.

948
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: Oh good for him, Yes, yes, good for her. So

949
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: then this is all. The segues into the complicated narrative

950
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: of Three Cheers, which the band's hit singles Helena and

951
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm Not Okay actually exist outside of the rest of

952
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: Three Cheers. For Sweet Revenge is a story of the

953
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: Demolition Lovers, who are the aforementioned Bonnie and Clyde s

954
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: characters that may have originated with the band's debut. The

955
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: plot is, according to a widely circulated quote by Gerard Way,

956
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: the story of a man and a woman who are

957
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: separated by death in a gunfight, and he goes to hell,

958
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 2: only to realize by the devil telling him that she's

959
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: so alive. The devil says, you can be with her

960
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: again if you bring me the souls of a thousand

961
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: evil men. So he hands him a gun and he says,

962
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: I'll go do it, okay man. In a two thousand

963
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: and five interview, Gerard mentioned that they he did come

964
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: up with an ending to the narrative only after the

965
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 2: record was finished. Obviously, he kills nine hundred and ninety

966
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: nine evil men, and then he realizes what the last

967
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: evil man he has to kill is himself. I should

968
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: point out that the man is objectively more successful than

969
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: I am by almost any measure. I mean, he wrote

970
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: The Umbrella Academy, which went four seasons on Netflix and

971
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: was by all accounts a widely well received show. So

972
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 2: as much as I want to clown on him for

973
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: this whole thing, he apparent he has writing bona fides

974
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: that I sure don't, as well as musical ones. So

975
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: the band's original choice for how to spend their major

976
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: label cash was nineties ots rock Godhead butch Vig, who

977
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: was not available. I believe the timing lines up because

978
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: he was producing AFI's sing the Sorrow with Jerry Finn,

979
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: who's like the other huge La Berkeley sound punk guy

980
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: mostly widely associated with Blink win A two and Epitaph Records.

981
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: But that's just a little entry in my let's all

982
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: remember Afi anyway, So they couldn't get butch Vig because

983
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: he was recording the guy that they stole all their

984
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: shit from So they eventually went with Howard Benson, who

985
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: is this rock producer who got his start doing eighties

986
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: punk's Tsol and then did four Motorhead records in the nineties.

987
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: But by the early two thousand he'd become something of

988
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: a new metal guru for guys who couldn't afford Ross Robinson,

989
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: like Pod, Crazytown and Hubastang. In band's two thousand and

990
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: six documentary Life on the Murder Scene, Gerard Way said

991
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: Benson had made four Motorhead records, and that's what got

992
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: us interested about him. What also got us interested about

993
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: him was the fact that he contacted us, and that's

994
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: how we like to work. Benson's recollection of this time

995
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: period is a little different. Nobody wanted to produce them

996
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: because their record before mine was a thrash record. This

997
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: is to Grammy dot Com. My manager said to me,

998
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: you need these guys. Something is going on with them.

999
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: When I met them, they had no songs to play

1000
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: for me. But I looked at the singer in the

1001
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: eye and I'd done enough at that point in my

1002
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: life where I had a feeling about this kid. He

1003
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: was going to be a star. I asked him, are

1004
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: you worried about the three thousand fans you have or

1005
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: do you want to have three hundred million fans? What

1006
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 2: kind of record are we going to make? He goes

1007
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: the three thousand fans. I was like, okay, we can

1008
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: do business now. Before I show Gerard Way for saying that,

1009
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: Howard Benson gave a previous interview to Loudwire in twenty eighteen.

1010
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: That makes Girardway seem like less of an ass. I said, Girard,

1011
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: how much do you care about the three hundred or

1012
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: four hundred fans you have now? Or do you really

1013
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: care about three hundred or four hundred million fans? Which

1014
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: one is? He said, I want to be huge, So

1015
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: that's a little more charitable. Also from that same interview,

1016
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: funny quote. I listened to their first record for about

1017
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: ten seconds and thought this stuff sucks. So the band's

1018
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: basement show roots a little. With the circumstances of their

1019
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: sophomore record, Gerard Way said, you showed up to this

1020
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: big studio. There's a lot of money and like crazy equipment.

1021
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: They had microphones that cost more than your first car,

1022
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: and Benson was not a one to one match for

1023
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: them either. He showed up to the studio wearing sweatpants

1024
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: and a hockey jersey, and the band supposedly thought he

1025
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: was a pizza delivery man. This, along with his habit

1026
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: of using basketball metaphors, made the band start referring to

1027
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: him as a sports coach, but his radio rock instincts

1028
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: made him push back against their indulgent guitar fireworks and

1029
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: abrupt song transitions for the Better. Way later said that

1030
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: Benson asked once, what does this have to do with

1031
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: the rest of the song. You're confusing the out of me,

1032
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: to which the band responded, that's the point. There's another

1033
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: equip in life on the murder scene where Gerard Way

1034
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: is talking about Howard Benson. He was like, yeah, he

1035
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: really showed us how to write songs. And then the

1036
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: guitarist comes in and he's like, yeah, it's spelled c

1037
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: ho r Us. Benson did recall the band being extremely

1038
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: hard working, but he still wasn't hearing a true hit

1039
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 2: single somewhere in the recording process, so the bands then

1040
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: A and R man Craig Aronson, was going through a

1041
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: bunch of old demo tapes that they brought to him,

1042
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: and he all the way at the ass end of

1043
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: this one demo tape, he found just a recording of

1044
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: Girard just singing the chorus I'm Not Okay a cappella

1045
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: over and over again, and he brought it to Benson

1046
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: and he was like, Yo, check this out, and Benson

1047
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: said to the band, immediately go write a song around this,

1048
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: like this is your hook. The rest of the song

1049
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: came together. They were rehearsing in LA and recording in

1050
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: LA and Benson, to his credit, was like, I could

1051
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: tell them to go write a song and they would

1052
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: that they would have one by the next day. So

1053
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: that's very cool. Good for them, And as recently as

1054
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty four, Howard Benson was calling I'm

1055
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: Not Okay the most influential record I've ever made. It's

1056
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: also cool that they didn't have a middle eight, so

1057
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: they just threw it a queen guitar solo. That was

1058
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: always one of my favorite parts of that song. Revenge

1059
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 2: really is the band, Gerard said in the documentary Bullets

1060
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: is the band trying to find itself. By the time

1061
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: we hit Revenge, we had really become my chemical romance.

1062
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: We had always been very open about self medicating his

1063
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: way too, as you mentioned earlier, to becoming the hyperactive

1064
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: frontman character he assumed.

1065
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: But things began to karoom kareem.

1066
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: Out of control around the time the band were making Revenge.

1067
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: He told Spin in two thousand and five, I was

1068
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: so scared of performing that I worked out the exact

1069
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: chemical combination, a chemical romance, if you will, to get

1070
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: me functioning in the band. I would drink from when

1071
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: I woke up until set time. I lived, breathed, and

1072
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: for the show. Jesus, I wore my stage clothes, the

1073
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: leather jacket, the boots all the time, as bad as

1074
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: they smelled, even when they were falling apart, I wouldn't

1075
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: take the costume off. Gross I had no separation in

1076
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: my head. It got so bad that I started to

1077
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: refer to him as Gerard. I actually started becoming someone

1078
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: else entirely. We mentioned a truly disgusting messianic move. In

1079
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: one interview with Spin, he said, I got six hundred

1080
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: kids to spit on me. The audience hated us, and

1081
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: they still did what I said. I want to know

1082
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: what the content was This, Like Paul Schaeffer in the

1083
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: in spinal taps.

1084
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: Like you hate me, I want you to I want

1085
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: you to kick my ass kick? Is that the same?

1086
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know that he if you. I mean I

1087
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: watched some of their live performances, and I do have

1088
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: to give them that this was a truly they were

1089
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: a truly baffling band. Like the two guitarists set up

1090
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: facing Gerard at the center, so like it's three dudes

1091
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: as of the front line doing harmonies and like crazy

1092
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: guitar leads, and Gerard is just like pinballing around the

1093
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: stage and really, like I mean, he isn't he is

1094
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: an astounding front man. I have to give it to him.

1095
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I don't know. Maybe the crowd was

1096
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: real acting poorly and he wanted to get something out

1097
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: of it. I don't know.

1098
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: Well, maybe this next part might explain some of it.

1099
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: Part of the alcoholism both brothers face, Gerard says, was

1100
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: both familial and environmental. Where we're from a suburb of

1101
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: the city, there's nothing to do but drink, fight and fink.

1102
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: It's very easy to get caught in this working class

1103
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: punch the clock, get bombed, and try to find someone

1104
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: to poke lifestyle.

1105
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: God. But after Elaine his death, way went downhill. Faster.

1106
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't deal with her death, he said, and I

1107
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: took my first Sanax.

1108
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: After that, it's snowballed.

1109
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: I would get wasted for a show, then need to

1110
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: shut my brain off for a night because my brain

1111
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: is always moving a million miles a minute. The pills

1112
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: allowed me to relax and sleep, but then cocaine came

1113
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: into play and everything went out of whack.

1114
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: Way unfortunately wasn't alone in this.

1115
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: Frankie Ero would go on weekend long pill binges while

1116
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: recording in La, waking up with no memory of the weekend.

1117
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: At least once, Way showed up unable to sing because

1118
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: it was coke and take.

1119
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: The night before, during a two thousand and four gig

1120
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: in Kentucky, hammered Gerard Way found his way under the

1121
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: stage of the venue and refused to sing from or

1122
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: even come out of his hiding place for the rest

1123
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: of the night. A few days later, in Kansas City,

1124
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: he snorted an eight bawl of coke on top of

1125
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: his now daily bottle of vodka and puked in the street.

1126
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: After playing a festival in Japan to ten thousand people,

1127
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: Way proceeded to throw up into a trash can for

1128
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: something like forty five minutes, after which he told his

1129
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: bandmates he'd had his last drink. He signed up for

1130
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: AA the day after they landed in Jersey after that

1131
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: kind of a fun strokes parallel to draw here. You

1132
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: know how Ryan Adams is a piece of who got

1133
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: Albert Hammond Junior hooked on heroin? I do a big

1134
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: part of this drinking problem was definitely the fault of

1135
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: the Used frontman Burt McCracken. A guy sucks. I know,

1136
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: it's smell crazy in there. He looks like an awful

1137
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: I think. In the Spin, Andy Greenwald, who wrote a

1138
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: book on EMO called Nothing Feels Good and wrote for

1139
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: Spin a bunch of cover stories, talked about McCracken flicking

1140
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: boogersh Yeah. The Used and my Chemical Roan's also teamed

1141
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: up for what is one of the worst things I've

1142
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: ever heard in my life, which is a cover of

1143
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: under Pressure. And if you look at the live performance

1144
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: that they did, Burt McCracken looks like Charitably, I would

1145
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: describe him as a maulnourished raccoon raised in Florida on

1146
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: bath salts, and apparently he Gerardway has described him as

1147
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: my tour guide to sort of rockstar debauchery. So I

1148
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: don't know that guy his band, although the drummer from

1149
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: the Used is now the drummer for Rancid, so I

1150
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: have to assume he's a pretty chill guy. Anyway, they

1151
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: got hammered one night and they missed soundcheck the next day,

1152
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: and this debauchery, which Greenwald Andy Greenwall was present for,

1153
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: was the inspiration for the song you Know what they

1154
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: do to guys like us in prison, which compares the

1155
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: life of touring rock bands to well, you get it.

1156
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: That was the worst moment of my life, Gerardway told

1157
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: Kerrang in two thousand and five. I also think losing

1158
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: my grandmother and the drinking were probably connected. When I quit,

1159
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: I could see myself clearly, and I wasn't sure how

1160
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: much I liked it. I wasn't confident about anything. I

1161
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: was just depressed. Also, when you get sober, everyone is

1162
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: very honest about everything you've done. That can be hard.

1163
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

1164
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment.

1165
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: They finished recording in February, and Revenge hit the streets

1166
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: in June that same year. Two thousand and four. The

1167
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: band didn't have their red, white and black color scheme,

1168
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 2: which might sound a little familiar to you, because you

1169
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: know there's that whole band called the White Stripes that

1170
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: had done this a couple of years earlier. But what

1171
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: are you gonna do? They didn't have that in place

1172
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: right from the jump. That was apparently something that they

1173
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: got from the wardrobe for the Helena video. They also

1174
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: started wearing bulletproof vests on stage, which is kind of funny.

1175
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm reminded of Carlos d from Interpol used to walk

1176
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: around with like a detective's gun holster, like empty, but

1177
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: just like wearing it like a as an affectation anyway,

1178
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: Naturally for bandfronted by a comic book artists, the trio

1179
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: videos that accompanied Revenge A Signals are genuinely good. I

1180
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: mean I went back and rewatched them and I was

1181
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: actually really quite blown away. They were all done by

1182
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: Mark Webb, who was a music video director who went

1183
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: on to do Five Hundred Days of Summer and then

1184
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: two of the less well regarded Spider Man movies, The

1185
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: Amazing Spider Man Series one and two starring Andrew Garfield.

1186
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: He told Rock Sound in twenty twenty. I did a

1187
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: Green Day video early on for the song Waiting, then

1188
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: I did a good Charlotte one. But my relationship with

1189
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: my Chemical Romance was the beginning of videos that started

1190
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: to catch on a little bit more. And I know

1191
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: that I'm Not Okay, which is their first video I did,

1192
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: was a very low budget video, and I think that

1193
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: was a surprise for everyone. They had such a personality

1194
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: and it really connected in a way that was kind

1195
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: of hilarious. We shot it over two days, and I

1196
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: think expectations were relatively low, at least for me, and

1197
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: then when that blew up, that was the beginning of

1198
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 2: my association with that genre of music. In a way,

1199
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: Mark has a way of giving you exactly what you want,

1200
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: Gerard told MTV in two thousand and five, Like for

1201
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: Not Okay, we said we wanted something that kind of

1202
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: reminded us of Rushmore, and he went out and researched

1203
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: what speed of film Wes Anderson shot the film. Att

1204
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: studied a whole bunch of camera angles in the film.

1205
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: So as far as I can tell, the video for

1206
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm Not Okay was filmed first in August of two

1207
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: thousand and four, partially at Alexander Hamilton High School in

1208
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: Loyola High School in LA. It is legitimately funny. Did

1209
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: you rewatch this? Like I told you too?

1210
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 3: I have it.

1211
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, couldn't be ars to do even that.

1212
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: Oka you on it?

1213
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: Okay. It does have some genuinely funny moments. Frankieero does

1214
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: that you've got something in your eye at one point

1215
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: to a girl, and then he leans into kiss her

1216
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: and just picks something out of her eye and wipes

1217
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: it on her before getting up and walking out of

1218
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: the shot. They also like all tackle a mascot at

1219
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: something in a way that I found genuinely funny.

1220
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: Haven't we both? Let's both watch it right now.

1221
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: I already watched it.

1222
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 3: Watch me watch it?

1223
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, doing anything for you?

1224
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, I have no memory of this. Okay,

1225
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 3: all right, interesting now I'm just suppsed to see anything else.

1226
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: Was films with that high school?

1227
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: Oh this is good, This is good, A so called

1228
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: life Sweet Valley High, Beverly.

1229
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: Hills nine to two one. Oho.

1230
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: Okay, my sister, that was your entry point. That's how

1231
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: we got you interested. Okay, okay. Anyway, Helena was from

1232
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: next at the Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, which

1233
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: you may recognize from Sister Act two legally Blonde two

1234
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: and John Wick one The Weakening. For the two day

1235
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: shoot first weekend of January and two thousand and five,

1236
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: the man put out a call to their fans to

1237
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: show up and be paid extras. In the music video,

1238
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: which there is a making of, they all look extremely

1239
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: happy to be there. It's very cute. The dancing in

1240
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: the video was choreographed by Michael Rooney, son of Hollywood

1241
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: legend Mickey Rooney. Wow.

1242
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: Also, now I'm paying attention.

1243
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: This dude's bona fides are crazy.

1244
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: You had my attention and now you have my interest.

1245
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: He choreographed Byork's It's also quiet fat Boy Slims, Oh,

1246
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: Fat Boy Slims, Praise You and Christopher walk In and

1247
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 2: Weapon of Choice and Kylie Minogue's I just can't get

1248
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 2: you out of my head all that and Helena too.

1249
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: Wait and he's Mickey Rooney's kid, kid and he walks

1250
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 3: in video.

1251
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible, CV wow.

1252
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 2: I talked to Gerard about what Helena was about, which

1253
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: was about his grandmother. I think he might have mentioned

1254
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: a funeral of some kind, but I don't think he

1255
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: had a super specific idea of what to do. Mark

1256
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: Webb said to Rock Sound, I was sort of stuck

1257
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: on the treatment for a while, and I was washing

1258
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: my dog in Hollywood, okay man, and his old line

1259
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: from a TV show called Nightcourt popped into my head,

1260
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: which was, let's put the fun back in funeral. I'm

1261
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: not attributed to word a nightcurt as far as I know,

1262
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: but sure I remember that was the first line of

1263
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: the treatment that I wrote, and from there it was

1264
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: about the structure of it and making it into a pageant.

1265
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: The moment that defined the video is when Helena actress

1266
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: Tracy Phillips wakes up and dances when everyone's head is bowed,

1267
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: and then she falls back and grabs the bouquet. That's

1268
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: the last dance, as it were, of that character, and

1269
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: I think that's what made this special. That was the

1270
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: turning point that I think when I came up with

1271
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: that specific idea. Ray Toro mentioned in one interview in

1272
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: two thousand and five that when the coffin for the

1273
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: video shoot showed up, it was exactly this one is

1274
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: the way his grandmother had been buried in which is

1275
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 2: a little eerie. But I don't know that I actually

1276
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: believe him about that. But sure.

1277
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: Also, how many different kinds of coffins either? You know?

1278
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: You know, actually a lot my dad does is a

1279
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: handyman for a funeral home. So what Oh yeah, it

1280
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 2: feels like a contractor for a local fume and parlor.

1281
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 3: Or the coffins being recycled and being refurbished. Why do

1282
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: you need a handyman?

1283
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 2: Oh no, they're just no, no, no, he doesn't fix

1284
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: the coffins. He fixes like their doors and plumbing. Okay,

1285
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, there's a lot of different kinds of coffins.

1286
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: Costco sells coffins.

1287
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: Now, did you know that kiss sells coffins?

1288
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: That's true, they do bil Heigel coffin repair man.

1289
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: Friend of the Bod coffins.

1290
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: It was raining for real on the day of the

1291
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: hell in a shoot, which made it fairly miserable, but

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: ultimately added to the ambiance of the entire thing. It

1293
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: also features some cg imagine a pretty early CGI duplicating

1294
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: one row of extras in the.

1295
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 3: Pews to an entire church. So they just control seed.

1296
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: Yes, control copy.

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes, that's incredible.

1298
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a trick that they also did in

1299
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: their next video, but the band's most extravagant visual moment

1300
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: was the World War Two themed video for The Ghost

1301
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: of You, which cost over a million dollars in two

1302
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: thousand and five dollars, which makes it close to one

1303
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: point six today. Featured not only an era appropriate dance hall,

1304
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: but a saving Private Ryot esque.

1305
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: Storming of the beaches sequence.

1306
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: Dude, it's crazy. I mean, like again, I know you

1307
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: didn't watch this, but like it is a legitimate artistic achievement.

1308
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean they filmed it in an actual, you know,

1309
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: American legion, and like did all this period accurate stuff,

1310
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 2: like all the uniforms and hair look great, and then

1311
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 2: they just staged a normandy scene. It's really wild.

1312
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: Did they like make enough as a band to warrant

1313
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: this or did they just believe in the heavily no?

1314
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: I mean so apparently Three Cheers was recorded for two

1315
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 2: hundred grand, which is like, oh pocket change as far

1316
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: as a major label in two thousand and three two

1317
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: thousand and four was concerned, so I think that they

1318
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 2: might have the promotional department might have been like, yeah,

1319
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: we're saving a bunch on these guys, so let's kick

1320
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: them some money for the videos, and I mean I'm

1321
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: not Okay and Helena were legitimate hits. I mean those

1322
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 2: were TRL like that was back when that meant something.

1323
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: Those were like real, legitimate video hits. To the point

1324
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 2: where at a VMA's when Fallout Boy won, Pete Wentz

1325
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: pulled the pulled the Garth Brooks thing and was like,

1326
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: this award should have gone to my chemical romance.

1327
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: Nah and a making a clip for the Ghost of

1328
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: View video way. Remember that he pitched web on the

1329
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: idea of quote making a real movie during a lunch

1330
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: break on the hell on a shoot, then asking him could.

1331
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: You do World War Two?

1332
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: I feel like World War Two lends itself to comic books,

1333
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: so well, imagine that must have been like where that.

1334
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a rich history of World War Two

1335
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: in common books. I mean, you know, Captain America was

1336
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: literally fighting the Nazis.

1337
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, true, too true.

1338
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: The shoot took place at not only an American Legion

1339
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: Hall and the Hollywood Hills stocked the World War Two

1340
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,919
Speaker 1: re enactors, but also a section of beach in Malibu.

1341
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: The World War Two landing boat they used flooded almost immediately,

1342
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: and the following scene required both an armor and demolitions expert.

1343
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 3: As you write, it really is one of those last days.

1344
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: Of rock bands having money clips, and it's definitely worth

1345
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 1: a rewatch.

1346
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: It's nuts, I mean, they have guns and blowing up.

1347
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't really have a segue for this, but I

1348
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,959
Speaker 2: think it's really important to address my chemical romances relationship

1349
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: with the queer community. It's interesting this period in time

1350
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: in Emo's mainstream moment, which is kind of what we've

1351
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: been talking about in relationship to them, as sort of

1352
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: a hard pivot in rock music away from all the

1353
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: really ugly knuckle dragging macheese motion that had just been

1354
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: popular like two years earlier and probably still was, to

1355
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: be fair, I mean, Limp Biscuit was still selling out

1356
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: stadiums this time. But it's interesting because it's kind of

1357
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: the I would say, the first time since hair Metal

1358
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 2: that that rock musicians were presenting as like little well

1359
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 2: as twinks, let's be honest, Dandy's Dandy's yeah, you know,

1360
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: wearing women's jeans for sure. Yeah, anyway, but yeah, I

1361
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: do think that's interesting. I mean, people talking a lot

1362
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 2: about like Kurt Cobain wearing a dress and different people

1363
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: and grunge, making nods to that in different sort of ways,

1364
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: but not as much as this, and certainly not as

1365
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 2: much as my Chemical Romance, and my Chemical Romans was

1366
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: doing it explicitly and very purposefully. They used to weigh

1367
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: and y Errow would kiss a lot on stage. He

1368
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: also kissed Burt McCracken a lot on stage, which again

1369
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: something that Gerardway definitely knows. Bruce Springsteen kissed Clarence Clement

1370
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: on the mouth every night the eighties to make the

1371
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: Red Staters in his audience uncomfortable. But it also does

1372
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: go back to the DC scene. There was a guy

1373
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: in a band called beef Heater named Thomas Squip who

1374
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: would hug anyone who started to get too aggressive. When

1375
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 2: people were like beef in in person, he would just

1376
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: hug them instead of escalating, and also troll homophobes by

1377
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: sticking flowers up his ass. According to the Andy greenwoll

1378
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: Emo book Nothing Feels Good, Geordan news this very dated

1379
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: language to make the sentiment to spin. In their two

1380
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: thousand and five cover story, he said, it's extremely important

1381
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: for these kids to realize that they can do and

1382
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: be whatever they want. Arptor was big for that instead

1383
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: of drinking a bunch of beer and calling a kid

1384
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: a hard f slur because he's smaller than you and

1385
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: wearing black, why don't we just have a good time

1386
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: and big jar headed dudes got that. To be able

1387
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: to break through those layers of muscle and get to

1388
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 2: their hearts was one of the biggest victories this band

1389
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: has ever had. We go on stage every night and

1390
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: look like the most dangerous cupcakes in the world. And

1391
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: that's another victory because these kids aren't booing us or

1392
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,799
Speaker 2: calling us blank, they're saying fuck, go for it. Clearly,

1393
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: this warped tour experience, at least their first time, was

1394
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 2: something of a watershed moment. In Rock Sound in two

1395
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: thousand and four, Girard explicitly recalled hearing the lead singer

1396
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: of a band call an audience member the f slur.

1397
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 2: He said, everyone I talked to about it made excuses

1398
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: for the singer, like, oh, he's been doing that for

1399
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: ten years. So I made it a point to address

1400
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: homophobia on stage every day. Some of the bands playing

1401
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: this tour think homosexuality is funny. They're still living in

1402
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, and that's the kind of shit that

1403
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: made high school unbearable for some of my friends. I

1404
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: had a hard time in high school because like that,

1405
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 2: and I'm straight. It's this jock mentality that should have

1406
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: nothing to do with punk rock or rock and roll

1407
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 2: for that matter. So then, according to Girard, when Warped

1408
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: Tour founder Kevin Lyman heard that the two bands were

1409
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: going back and forth them this way, he just scheduled

1410
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 2: them to play back to back on the same stage.

1411
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: So way says, we played, and then they played, but

1412
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: instead of playing, they just talked on us, called us

1413
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: friends said, took in the ass. But at least he

1414
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: wasn't picking on some sixteen year old kid who's going

1415
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: to go home and feel like he was unwelcome at

1416
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 2: that show. Based on my nerdy research into the Maurice

1417
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: stage where my Chemical Romance was playing on warp Tour

1418
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: two thousand and four and the other bands that were playing,

1419
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 2: I feel extremely comfortable in pointing the finger out the casualties.

1420
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 2: Who were you know, this street punk band from New

1421
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: York that really took the fashion side of being a

1422
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 2: disgusting punk rocker to the extreme. They all had separate

1423
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: gravity defying haircuts and were all wearing elaborately studded stuff,

1424
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: and they were not good people. I remember when they

1425
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 2: came to the show, came to my hometown and played

1426
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: an all ages show there. They were they almost refused

1427
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: to play after pulling up because they couldn't have beer

1428
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: because it was an all ages venue, so they just

1429
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 2: sat in the lofted area drinking beer before they played

1430
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: and refused to come down to even use the bathroom.

1431
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 2: So they just pissed on the floor and it started

1432
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: dripping onto the record stacks below and some of the

1433
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: kids who were hanging out there, so they are pieces

1434
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: of and Jorge Herrera, who is the founding member who

1435
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 2: retired in twenty seventeen, has been dogged by a lot

1436
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: of gross rumors about how he behaved around women on tour,

1437
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: which is no surprise there. So although that band has

1438
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: a couple bangers, Gerardway expanded on this in an Alternative

1439
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: press interview around the same time. The scene is extremely homoerobic,

1440
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 2: especially the whole emo sensitive thing. Everyone's wearing women's pants,

1441
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: everyone's got women's haircuts, everyone's wearing youth medium shirts. I

1442
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: don't have accurate I don't have to come out and

1443
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: say it it's blatantly obvious. It's been more about getting

1444
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: in touch with your feelings and being there for each other.

1445
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: And my chemical rowance did generally go above and beyond

1446
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: some of their peers and like senses fail. For example,

1447
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 2: Frankie Erra was frequently photographed and a homemade Homophobia is

1448
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: Gay shirt, and the band recruited queer icon Liza Minelli

1449
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: for the Black Parade and their follow up to three Cheers,

1450
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: What Yeah? What does she do on that? Saying like

1451
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: two lines. The band has continued to engage with the

1452
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: queer community. Way revealed that he was using the them

1453
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: pronouns in twenty fifteen, and Frankie Ero even solicited his

1454
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: Twitter following for advice on how to make binders like

1455
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 2: chess compressors for trans masculine people as merch at one

1456
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: point in twenty twenty two, So you know, good on them.

1457
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we're into a section that you call

1458
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: my chemical sales. Band manager Brian Scheckter says in the

1459
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: Life on the Murder Scene documentary, the funniest thing about

1460
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge is that the label and

1461
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: I had agreed that if we could sell three hundred

1462
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: thousand copies.

1463
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 3: We would be happy.

1464
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: The first week of sales, I predicted three thousand, and

1465
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: we had no idea what was going to happen.

1466
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 3: The very first day, we kept getting phone.

1467
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: Calls about how great things were going, and I think

1468
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: right about then that's when we realized something weird was

1469
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: going to happen. The fact that the very first day

1470
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: had sold twice as many as the previous record had

1471
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: sold in its whole life span. At that point, I

1472
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: think we realized something big was about to happen.

1473
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 3: You know.

1474
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: They just continued working through the summer, and then it

1475
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: was just a flood of good news. They sold like

1476
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand records through that summer. Things

1477
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: got very big and very busy for the band in

1478
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: the second half of two thousand and.

1479
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 3: Four, and they had somewhat of a hard time adjusting

1480
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 3: to it.

1481
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: Their album hit number thirty in the Billboard two hundred

1482
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: charts and eventually went triple platinum, which means what three

1483
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: million Wow did better than expected by a magnitude of ten,

1484
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: and the high concept trio of videos made them MTV darlings.

1485
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: One fallout boys you mentioned earlier, one of VMA instead

1486
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: of My Chemical Romance, Pete Wentz said, Helena quote should

1487
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: have won from the stage. My Chemical Romance opened for

1488
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: Green Day on a tour and went for playing Warped

1489
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: Tours Morris stage, Morris is it the English way?

1490
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 2: Maurice?

1491
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: Maurice? Why is it the Maurice stage?

1492
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 2: They're all named after like obscure punk rock celebrities. I

1493
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 2: have no idea.

1494
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: Okay, they went from playing Warped Tour's Maurice Stage.

1495
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: Do you ever go to warp Tour?

1496
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 4: No?

1497
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: I went to the WBZ and River Rave, which had

1498
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: like AFI and Slither and people like that, but Slither.

1499
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, what band are you referring to? Tomout Seether.

1500
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly what That's exactly what it is, thank you.

1501
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 2: I remember going to warp Tour and seeing the Casualties

1502
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: along with a couple other bands flogging Mollie. Oh, and

1503
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: then a number of the girls who I were friends

1504
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: with abandoned me to go and do gross things with men,

1505
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: possibly my age.

1506
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 3: Now.

1507
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's this band called the River City Rebels

1508
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: who were from somewhere I was like horn horn punk

1509
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 2: and the.

1510
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:56,919
Speaker 3: Horn punk as in yeah, yeah, okay.

1511
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they definitely had like existing relationships with women.

1512
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: Girls I knew in high school, like sixteen seventeen year

1513
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 2: old girls would like were their groupies. You know. Essentially,

1514
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 2: it was disgusting that band.

1515
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: No, my main memory was seeing the Dresden Dolls Aman

1516
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 1: the Palmer's band that blew my mind in two thousand

1517
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: and three because it was like Emo but Bavarian.

1518
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 2: Unsurprising to know that Gerardway name dropped them as one

1519
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: of his favorite bands in one of these interviews. I

1520
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: was reading, Oh, I'm sure, yeah, totally a dog band.

1521
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure that was.

1522
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: But when I was God fifteen seeing them live, oh.

1523
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean trust me, I had friends who were

1524
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: way into them, but God anyway.

1525
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: My Chemical Romance went from playing Warped Tour's Maurice stage

1526
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: to co headlining it, and in the UK they eventually

1527
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: outsold their old mentor slash running Buddies in the USED.

1528
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: In an interview with Slate, Andy Greenwald, who as you

1529
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier wrote The Totemic and Nothing Feels Good at

1530
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: the Emo scene, said that my Chemical Romances theatrical bent, may.

1531
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,879
Speaker 3: Have helped them outlast many of their peers.

1532
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: I was just blown away by their ability to go

1533
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger, and also would have meant about the

1534
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: distance that the makeup and the costumes and the comic

1535
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: books created that distancing, dramatic effect that allowed emo emotions

1536
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: at the heart.

1537
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: Of the songs to travel.

1538
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: It was like it allowed it to go national without

1539
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: snapping the way the Dashboard confessional songs, which were literally

1540
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: about his ex girlfriend's air could not.

1541
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?

1542
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I know enough about either to be

1543
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: able to make a really strong stance.

1544
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that with You're.

1545
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: Gonna make fun of me from him about to say

1546
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: and I deserve it, and I do deserve it. I

1547
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast earlier today about Paul McCartney,

1548
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: and somebody made an argument that his solo work was

1549
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: actually better than some of his Beatles' work because it

1550
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,799
Speaker 1: was actually more personal and revealed more about himself.

1551
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: And the example that he used was a song Christmas time.

1552
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: Song called Tomorrow, which actually uses the same chord changes

1553
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: to Yesterday, but it's a different it's much more uptempo,

1554
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: and it's about him going on a picnic with Linda,

1555
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: and it's very sweet. And he said that that song

1556
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: actually meant more to him because it was actually revelatory

1557
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 1: as opposed to Yesterday, which was sort of more vague

1558
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: and in painted in broad strokes, Whereas I thought that

1559
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: was stupid because the fact that yesterday was painted in

1560
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: broad strokes, but that anybody could attach their own meaning

1561
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: and personal experience to it, which makes it universal.

1562
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's the most covered song of all time.

1563
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: You more on.

1564
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so stupid.

1565
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah made me mad.

1566
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: It's so frustrating how people don't understand their art and

1567
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: like what makes it good. It's such a fascinating blind

1568
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: spot when people are like, I get it in some instances,

1569
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 2: but they.

1570
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: Love the voyeurism. They want songs to be a diary.

1571
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: Some people do, at least.

1572
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just that's so funny to me that he

1573
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to re write one of the

1574
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: most famous songs in history to be about a picnic

1575
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: with my wife. Surely this is a thing I need

1576
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: to do to express my artistic like you already wrote yesterday. Dude,

1577
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: you didn't need to rewrite yesterday, you minge.

1578
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not over. It's like I mean you

1579
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 3: as a musician, I'm sure, but.

1580
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: This is Paul though, because you know, we're talking about

1581
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: a guy who wrote like a beautiful song about his

1582
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: sheep dog ah and a guy who heard what did

1583
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: he hear that he wanted to What was the song

1584
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 2: that they wanted to top with Helter Skelter.

1585
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,560
Speaker 3: It's never been officially determined.

1586
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was.

1587
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 3: He said it was.

1588
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: I can see for miles. But that song would have

1589
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 1: been out for like almost a year when they recorded

1590
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: Helter Skelter, so the timeline doesn't quite work.

1591
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: But that's the song he cites.

1592
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: But yes, it is akin to him being like I

1593
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: want I would like to create the most nasty guitar driven,

1594
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: distorted bass song of old time proto heavy mental I'm

1595
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: going to call it.

1596
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 4: And it's about childhood slide go up to the bottom

1597
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 4: and go back to the bottom, and then you go

1598
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 4: up again and down again. Clown shoes.

1599
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think it's interesting, an interesting point.

1600
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Greenwald has is much closer to it than

1601
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 2: either of us are. But I do think that's sailing it.

1602
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: You know the idea of having a remove and making

1603
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 2: all of these really personal things into a plot that

1604
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 2: lets people a narrative that lets people view it without

1605
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:43,440
Speaker 2: necessarily being hurt the same way that that really internalizing

1606
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: something without that distance and that affect. Might I think

1607
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: that's a really I think that's fascinating. Yeah, I mean

1608
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of like, yeah, it makes sense to me.

1609
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: He listened to a guy singing I'm Gonna kill myself

1610
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: and he just looks like some schlub off the stage,

1611
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that's a really good song. But like,

1612
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable thinking about suicide. But if it's like

1613
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: a guy preening around in a marching band outfit and

1614
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: being like, this is part of a plot about two

1615
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 2: lovers and one of them goes down to hell like

1616
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: bo But I could see how you would be like, yes,

1617
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: this is a movie, and I can access those feelings

1618
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: now without being scared about them, you know. I think

1619
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: that's fascinating. The band's follow up to Three Cheers for

1620
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 2: Sweet Revenge, The Black Parade, has seemingly grown into their

1621
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 2: de facto greatest work. It didn't. I mean, this is well,

1622
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: I'm quoting other people here because this is I had

1623
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 2: gone into college. What happened in the interviewing period was

1624
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: that I went into college and stop paying attention to

1625
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 2: any pop culture period. God, I was so happy had

1626
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 2: a Nokia cell phone these social media was on his Facebook.

1627
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 2: It sold much better and solidified the band's hold on

1628
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 2: arena level star stardom. It debuted at number two, right

1629
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: behind the Hannah Montana album, which is crazy to me.

1630
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: Jeremy Gordon wrote in twenty sixteen in Spin that The

1631
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: Parade was well reviewed, but it hasn't accrued the same

1632
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: reputation as these other classic albums. It was almost entirely

1633
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 2: ignored in lists of the best albums of the two

1634
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: thousand run by tastemakers and cannon formers like Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, Steragum, Billboard, Paste, Complex, Enemy,

1635
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: and Spin, although I think it is now on the

1636
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone five hundred list, just behind p Funk, which

1637
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:32,719
Speaker 2: is personally insulting anyway. It's making was also quite fraud.

1638
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 2: The band struggled with the destabilizing effects of fame, although

1639
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: I did find this funny quote from Gerard about the

1640
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: recording process, which if taken out of context, is hilarious.

1641
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 2: For days, I played the Passion of the Christ with

1642
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 2: the sound off. The band also faced a burgeoning backlash

1643
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: to Emo's brief time in the sun with very real

1644
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: world results. In two thousand and seven, my Chemical Romance

1645
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 2: fan Sophie Lancaster was beaten to death by a mob

1646
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: of strangers in Lancashire in England, targeted, police said because

1647
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: she was dressed in a gothic style. The following year,

1648
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 2: MCR were linked in the news to a thirteen year

1649
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,440
Speaker 2: old girl in Kent named Hannah Bond, who committed suicide.

1650
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 2: Coverage of her death zeroed in on her love of

1651
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: emo music, and one Daily Mail headline screamed why no

1652
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: child is safe from the sinister cult of Emo. Even

1653
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 2: the coroner in that case, Roger Sykes, wrote the emo

1654
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 2: overtones concerning death and associating it with glamour I find

1655
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: very disturbing. Bond has been memorialized in quite a lot

1656
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 2: of online circles, and in two thousand and eight, I

1657
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 2: want to say there were a number of My Chemical

1658
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,799
Speaker 2: Riants fans who assembled in London, like about one hundred

1659
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 2: kids got together to protest the male's treatment of the band.

1660
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: In this case, I don't remember any of this, but

1661
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: it is very sad. Either way, My Chemical Raymants soldiered

1662
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 2: on for the next five years following the Black Parade

1663
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 2: with the more pop leaning Danger Days, an album I

1664
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 2: know nothing about except that the lead single off of

1665
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: it was like the word nah, like thirteen fourteen times

1666
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: in a row. Nope, like Nona nah. And then it's

1667
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: like no no no no no parentheses, no no no

1668
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: no no na, which is medium funny and also I

1669
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 2: hate it. Their breakup announcement began with a perfectly My

1670
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance opening line, we were spectacular, ah, cryptically adding

1671
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: My Chemical Romance had built within its core a failsafe,

1672
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: a doomsday device. Should certain events occur or cease occurring,

1673
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: would detonate. I shared my knowledge of this flaw within

1674
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: weeks of its inception. It took about a year for

1675
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 2: Gerard Way to open up about the device, telling NME

1676
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 2: that he'd relapsed into alcoholism after Danger Days and worried

1677
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 2: that his daughter would grow up without a father. The choice,

1678
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: he concluded, was break the band or break me. Since that, though,

1679
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 2: the band has reunited for what I assume are very

1680
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: lucrative shows. Do you remember when they were in a

1681
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,959
Speaker 2: weird feud with Nick Jonas because they were both rehearsing

1682
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: in the music building in Manhattan and I don't know,

1683
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: maybe it was a different Jonas brother, but someone was like,

1684
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 2: my chemical Romeance is rehearsing next to me, and that

1685
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: like spoiled the news of their reunion tour.

1686
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, I don't remember that.

1687
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 2: This year they are embarking on a reunion tour for

1688
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: the Black Parade, which I assume is already out of

1689
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: reach financially for our dear listeners except for the rich ones.

1690
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 2: I don't have a follow up to that. Way has

1691
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 2: successfully transitioned into his original life goal of being a

1692
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: comics guy. His original comic, The Umbrella Academy. As I

1693
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, it was adapted into a successful four season

1694
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,919
Speaker 2: Netflix show. The other band members have different solo careers,

1695
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: their dads, this, that, and the other, and Way I

1696
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: think summed up the band's entire arc to NME at

1697
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 2: one point in a great quote. Back then, nobody in

1698
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: the normal punk world was wearing black clothes and eyeliner

1699
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 2: except for afi Ah. Editor. We did it because we

1700
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: had one mission to polarize, to irritate, to contaminate. But

1701
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:08,480
Speaker 2: then that image gets romanticized, and then it gets commoditized, commodified.

1702
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 2: I think he meant sorry, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.

1703
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave them with this actually quote from the

1704
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: band's breakup.

1705
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 3: Note.

1706
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: This probably sounds like something ripped from the pages of

1707
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:27,520
Speaker 2: a four color comic book, and that's the point. No compromise,

1708
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 2: no surrender, no shit.

1709
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 3: To me.

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Speaker 2: That's rock and roll, and I believe in rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: I can't take that away from a man, so shut

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Speaker 2: up me a New Year. I mentioned at the top

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Speaker 2: of the episode that this was a listener request and

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Speaker 2: it came to us via a fan named Melissa, who

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01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: reached out over Instagram and with one of the most

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Speaker 2: heartwarming things I've ever heard. Melissa said that I work

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Speaker 2: in a very large cancer center where I could easily

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Speaker 2: find myself getting caught up in the depression that comes

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Speaker 2: along with working in an environment that requires workers to

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Speaker 2: be desensitized to the loss you see every day. Your

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Speaker 2: podcast helps to lighten my spirit and my day, So

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Speaker 2: that's incredible, first of all, difficult for me to process.

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Speaker 2: So this episode is dedicated to her and the work

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Speaker 2: that she does, and I hope I am not too

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Speaker 2: mean to her very favorite band, because that's the TMI

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Speaker 2: guarantee for every moment of sincerity comes the poison. Folks,

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening. This has been too much information.

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex Hagel.

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Speaker 3: And I have Jordan Runtogg. We'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 2: Too Much Information was a production of iHeartRadio. The show's

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Speaker 2: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtog.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 2: The show was recent written and hosted by Jordan Rundogg

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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Speaker 2: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and.

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Speaker 3: Leave us a review.

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