WEBVTT - ‘To Catch A Predator’s’ Chris Hansen Is Pissed About ‘Primetime’ 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September 28th, and Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Hansen is pissed. He's pissed about how he's being depicted

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<v Speaker 1>in the new blockbuster film, Prime Time, where it talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the show to catch a predator. Problem is, some

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<v Speaker 1>say Hansen is the one almost being depicted as a predator.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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<v Speaker 1>TJ Robes Podcast. Hit show, a phenomenon, wasn't on that long.

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<v Speaker 1>We still talk about it, but Robes, there was, if

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<v Speaker 1>people don't remember, there always was an ethical debate about

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<v Speaker 1>this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because you are literally setting up people. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>something you would see perhaps law enforcement do, setting up

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<v Speaker 2>a sting operation.

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<v Speaker 3>But instead, you've got camera crews ready to catch you

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<v Speaker 3>in the act.

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<v Speaker 2>And they actually hired an actor to depict a young child,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who would lure a predator to them and then

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<v Speaker 2>catch them before anything untoward happened. And so, yes, it

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<v Speaker 2>was ethically questionable without a doubt, but it was entertaining

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<v Speaker 2>and It was highly successful.

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<v Speaker 3>People tuned in. They wanted to see.

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<v Speaker 1>To the point, Robes, 20 now years after it's gone off,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still making movies about it. And it's still stirring

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<v Speaker 1>up debate. I'm not sure. I'm sure it's streaming somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>People can still watch To Catch a Predator. But, Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was prime time, must-see, cringey television. And, Robes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where one would come down. You and I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had this discussion. This is a public film. A

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<v Speaker 1>public shaming of someone before they have a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>defend themselves, before all the circumstances are out there. Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting put on camera, labeled a pedophile on prime time.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the show.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though, Robes, if you think you're doing good,

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<v Speaker 1>should it be entertainment? Even if you're doing good, getting

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<v Speaker 1>possible dangerous folks off the street. See, even now, all

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<v Speaker 1>these years later, I'm asking that question, and you immediately

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<v Speaker 1>just start scratching your head.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's tough because, look, this is a dilemma that,

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<v Speaker 2>and Chris Hansen, by the way, very much defended it

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<v Speaker 2>and felt like he was a champion. for, uh, potential,

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<v Speaker 2>like anyone who, by the way, has, has been the

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<v Speaker 2>victim of a pedophile or a predator.

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<v Speaker 3>He feels like getting these people off the street was

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<v Speaker 3>a duty, a civic duty. So yes, it was entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>He was getting paid, but he, I, he genuinely felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he was doing a good deed.

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<v Speaker 3>He was providing a service.

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<v Speaker 1>And he continues to make that argument, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>he has so many issues, Robes, with this movie. We

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<v Speaker 1>have been seeing the previews of this for a while now,

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<v Speaker 1>because we go to theaters, and it was, for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>it was one that we would always see. And Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>just the way the trailer was being presented, and we

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<v Speaker 1>only go to horror movies for the most part, it

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<v Speaker 1>came off like a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It did.

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<v Speaker 1>The preview. It's not categorized as that, but it seems dark.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thriller, is what it's... Depicted as. So it

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<v Speaker 1>comes out this weekend. It's number four at the box office,

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<v Speaker 1>but Robes, it's doing pretty well. It doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>big budget. It's $ 25 million or so. It made $ 19

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<v Speaker 1>million this weekend. That's a very good start. It's getting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of buzz because Chris Hansen keeps talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and now there's controversy.

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<v Speaker 2>And Robert Pattinson, by the way, is the star actor.

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<v Speaker 2>He's playing Chris Hansen. And so that's also a big

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<v Speaker 2>draw as well. But you said this was a limited release, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a wide release in a lot of theaters.

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<v Speaker 2>So to make $ 19. 2 million is significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Great start. Thank you, Chris Hansen. Really, Rogue, so much

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<v Speaker 1>about this movie. Yes, Pattinson is... He is the actor

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<v Speaker 1>of the moment and maybe of the generation is the argument.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is getting Oscar buzz for this particular one. But, Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in, what, Odyssey? What else did he have

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<v Speaker 1>this summer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Drama. Yes. With Zendaya. Yes. He's got Batman coming

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<v Speaker 1>back up, I think, in the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the man. He is a wonderful actor. And I'm glad, Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like the, he's the Justin Bieber of Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Like, I wasn't into Bieber when he was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid doing the bop stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But once he matured, I love him. Same thing with Pattinson.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he the heartthrob from the.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, Twilight series.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I didn't know anything about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, my gosh. I watched all of those with the girls.

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<v Speaker 3>That was their... Oh, my. They love some Robert Pattinson.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I love this guy. So he is that for

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<v Speaker 1>me now. I didn't know this guy, Lance Oppenheim. Wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that familiar? A documentarian. He's doing the one that's out now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Elizabeth Holmes one that everybody's talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's getting a lot of buzz.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his as well. But if you don't know, primetime,

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<v Speaker 1>we got the synopsis here for you. Also, Rob, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good... Don't you tell me you don't see

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<v Speaker 1>Rotten Tomatoes scores for the audience and the critics that

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<v Speaker 1>are oftentimes that close.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not. A lot of times they're very different.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, yes, I always like the audience score to

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<v Speaker 2>me is always a better bellwether as to whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not we're going to like it because sometimes critics are... Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they like things that are obscure or a little... too

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<v Speaker 2>strange for my taste. But no, these jibes. So the

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<v Speaker 2>critics gave Primetime 87% on Rotten Tomatoes and the audience

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<v Speaker 2>score is at 81%. So it is highly acclaimed and

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<v Speaker 2>well-received and who knows, this could push it up into

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<v Speaker 2>more theaters now that it's done so well.

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<v Speaker 1>It will because, Rose, we had no plan to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But now I want to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of what? Look, if Chris Hansen didn't want people

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<v Speaker 1>to see this movie, this is a weird way to

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<v Speaker 1>go about it. He now has me interested.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's the synopsis for the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>In primetime, it's 2006, and Chris Hansen, played by Robert Pattinson,

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<v Speaker 2>is working at NBC on the popular reality show To

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<v Speaker 2>Catch a Predator with his loyal producer, Andy Bender, who's

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<v Speaker 2>played by Merritt Weaver. Chris is convinced that the show,

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<v Speaker 2>which purports to track down online sexual predators and pedophiles,

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<v Speaker 2>is doing good in the world. Then the team is

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<v Speaker 2>informed that the show is going to be moved to

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<v Speaker 2>prime time in the same time slot as ultra-popular sci-fi

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<v Speaker 2>series Lost. And Chris promises that he'll up his game

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<v Speaker 2>to lure in more viewers. At the same time, the

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<v Speaker 2>show hires a new decoy, Dan Plum, an adult actor

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<v Speaker 2>who's capable of playing age 13. Dan is eager to

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<v Speaker 2>prove himself and earn a SAG card, so he puts

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<v Speaker 2>in the hard work. When veteran online predator tracker Xavier

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<v Speaker 2>finds a big target in Texas, the team goes there

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<v Speaker 2>to lure in the biggest whale of their careers.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the setup. Uh, that's the longer synopsis, the

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<v Speaker 1>best explainer out there, but that one does do a

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<v Speaker 1>very good job of explaining what this is. So it goes,

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<v Speaker 1>did you remember robes? I did not. This show was

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<v Speaker 1>only on for three years.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that. I thought it was much longer.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was a long running. I was working

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<v Speaker 3>at NBC when it's in its heyday.

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<v Speaker 2>So he, Chris Hansen was everywhere. Everybody wanted to, I

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<v Speaker 2>was at MSNBC for the most part. And so, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we would try to get him on before, uh, The

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<v Speaker 2>shows would come on because, yeah, he was the star

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<v Speaker 2>over there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you had Matt Lauer. You had, obviously, Tom Brokaw.

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<v Speaker 2>And you had all sorts of big, heavy hitters. But

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hansen was the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this show went beyond Robes News. He became an entertainer.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was exactly what the problem was at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was only on from 2004 to 2007, 2008.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>As the synopsis is explaining there, Robes, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what it was that caused the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some debate about what it was, but Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people that were targeted, ended up dying

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<v Speaker 1>by suicide. And this drew a new attention to The

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<v Speaker 1>show at the time and a new scrutiny to the

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<v Speaker 1>show at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously people were truly questioning the ethics or just

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<v Speaker 2>the value in it. And this all took place in

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<v Speaker 2>February of 2007. So a prosecutor in Texas, 56 years old,

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<v Speaker 2>his name was Louis Bill Conrad. And he was exchanging...

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<v Speaker 2>Sexually explicit messages with that decoy, that actor who could

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<v Speaker 2>play a 13-year-old.

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<v Speaker 1>Some awful stuff, actually. Some really awful stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Some very disgusting stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, this is when the team would then normally

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<v Speaker 2>go in and catch their predator.

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't get that far on this one. So

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<v Speaker 1>the NBC team, the team had a staged house, per usual.

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<v Speaker 1>This Conrad guy, however, never came to the house. They

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<v Speaker 1>exchanged these messages. Now, according to NBC robes, they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>involved up to this point. They used, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>name of this group they used that was actually contacting

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, this group that specifically does this type of

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<v Speaker 1>work that they coordinate with. Fine. So they say this

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<v Speaker 1>group was in touch with this prosecutor. Then police, they claim,

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<v Speaker 1>on their own, decided to go to Bill Conrad's house

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<v Speaker 1>and arrest him. because of these lewd images. NBC cameras

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<v Speaker 1>were along when they went to the house. So police

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<v Speaker 1>get there. They make contact. They have to rush in,

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<v Speaker 1>have to burst in and bang down the door robes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the man takes his life, shoots himself before authorities

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<v Speaker 1>can get to him. So now you have a man

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<v Speaker 1>who has died by suicide after what appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>an NBC sting operation was being set up. That obviously

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<v Speaker 1>was going to cause problems for the show. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Conrad's family sued NBC. There was a settlement that

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<v Speaker 2>was reached. And then look, you can say it was

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<v Speaker 2>just coincidence, but almost certainly it was not.

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<v Speaker 3>NBC canceled the show the following year in 2008.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Hansen has used the argument that the show had

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<v Speaker 1>just run its course. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>That's highly unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years, hit show, still a part of pop culture,

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<v Speaker 1>still making movies about it. It was, it was a phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>They would never.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have continued. It would have continued. No question.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, this, it was interesting because I remember I came

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<v Speaker 2>to NBC in 2003. The show began in 2004. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a juggernaut. There aren't primetime hits. And even

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<v Speaker 2>back then there weren't many primetime hits.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, There were still some, but they were searching.

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<v Speaker 2>And certainly to be able to do a news show

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<v Speaker 2>or an entertainment show that's in the news division, that's money, money,

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<v Speaker 2>money for the network.

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<v Speaker 3>So they would never have canceled that show.

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<v Speaker 1>But here we are all these years later. Now, Chris Hansen,

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<v Speaker 1>what he's been up to, and he's been up to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, Robes. And throughout this time, he has, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you would, he has been promoting his.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a podcast he has and a streaming true crime network.

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<v Speaker 1>So he has been engaged in fine using the publicity,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, of the movie. But not because he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>go see the movie. And hey, this is cool. And hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me talk to you about that. He's taken it

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<v Speaker 1>as a campaign robe to be anti this film and

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<v Speaker 1>call it a pure work of fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said he was not involved with the film whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he didn't obviously have any say in who

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<v Speaker 2>played him. But yeah, he said it's an insult to

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<v Speaker 2>the men and women who work on child sex crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's pissed because I guess they came to him

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<v Speaker 2>at the end. He said to come to you at

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<v Speaker 2>the last minute and say we've done this and we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel that we had to come to you to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss it seems sneaky and somewhat disingenuous.

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<v Speaker 1>He has been going after them from the jump. robes

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<v Speaker 1>uh he also and you and i know this because

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen plenty of screeners of big time movies

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes you do have to sign an nda you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to sign something to say i'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>out there or the embargoes even yep you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go out there and start talking about it or

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what you've seen he made a big deal

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<v Speaker 1>about an nda they asked him to see before the

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<v Speaker 1>screening and that it was so restrictive and it was

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<v Speaker 1>so like he was signing something away and the director

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<v Speaker 1>came out it's it's an nda.

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<v Speaker 3>We do this all the time you always had to.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to let you see something that's not released yet.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to have special information. Don't go talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They even made a big deal, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>fight publicly about that. The point is, Robes, it's been nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't like the way he's being depicted.

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<v Speaker 2>No. And he had some words after he did go

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<v Speaker 2>see this in the movie theater.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he wasn't going. He was talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>for a while without having seen it. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>finally went and made a big show of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he took advantage, perhaps, of some of that publicity.

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<v Speaker 2>But his reaction was this. This was his quote. It

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<v Speaker 2>was so detached from reality or anything I've ever experienced

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<v Speaker 2>then or now doing the investigation, I'm really not sure

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<v Speaker 2>what the point of it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That has to suck. I mean, he has been criticized.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he knows the heat that came his way then,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's coming up again now. Yes, I'd be upset if...

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<v Speaker 1>This big blockbuster. He might win an Oscar for depicting

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<v Speaker 1>me as a clown.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's nothing you can say or do about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you would be. I get that. I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>It just came out. There might be an Oscar campaign

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<v Speaker 1>that goes for the next several months. Oh, my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why he's pissed. However, wherever you come down

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<v Speaker 1>on this, we included the comments of the actual director.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to let you hear them in just

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<v Speaker 1>a moment and see if he... Maybe put some context

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<v Speaker 1>to what Chris Hansen has been criticizing and why. Stay here.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Now we definitely

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<v Speaker 2>have to see the movie Primetime. It did well this weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and Chris Hansen is not too happy about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He actually added to the box office success, went to

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<v Speaker 3>go see the movie after he said he wouldn't. But yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he calls it pure fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>The director, Lance Oppenheim, has some things to say about

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hansen.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I thought he was very measured. He was

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<v Speaker 1>complimentary at times, but he was also, this was just

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<v Speaker 1>so good that we wanted to include it. And he

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<v Speaker 1>did this with a publication, I think it was Variety,

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been Deadline, but he did it with

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<v Speaker 1>one of the two. We're going to take these in pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is how he explained what's been happening. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I think whoever the real Chris Hansen is no longer exists.

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<v Speaker 1>He's addressing a very serious issue and getting really disturbed

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<v Speaker 1>people off the street. But he's also turning that pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>into a commercial object. That's a very difficult dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't like that, I bet, Chris Hansen.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't that the point of what we're talking? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's up for debate. You've got a guy who wants...

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<v Speaker 1>You're competing... Against entertainment shows claiming to handle this very

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<v Speaker 1>serious topic. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>We're turning this into entertainment. Something about that feels a

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<v Speaker 1>little icky.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And then it is kind of ironic then that

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<v Speaker 2>Hansen's so upset about it being turned into a movie,

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate form of entertainment. Because Lance Oppenheim, by the way, did...

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<v Speaker 2>did this interview with Variety. Yes, I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>confirm that. He went on to say, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>take the internet's version of Chris Hansen. A person can

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<v Speaker 2>go a little bit too self-mythologized, but at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 2>people mythologize you. That's how legends are born. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to make something that felt like a fever dream, but

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<v Speaker 2>captured an emotional truth. When you spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time doing reportage on an extremely dark subject, it must

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<v Speaker 2>rub off on you. Rob and I watched him on

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<v Speaker 2>Theo Vaughn's podcast, and Theo asked how he deals with

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<v Speaker 2>all the darkness. He said, I just bury it deep

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<v Speaker 2>down inside.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a really telling answer.

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<v Speaker 1>He sounds like he suggests Chris Hansen needs therapy. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was such an interesting answer. This is some

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<v Speaker 1>really deep, dark stuff that maybe messed with this guy

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<v Speaker 1>in ways that we might be seeing in the way

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<v Speaker 1>he's acting right now. Rose, this guy, Lance, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know his movies. He said some things in this interview

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<v Speaker 1>that made me go, huh, this guy might have his

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<v Speaker 1>shit together.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's very smart about how he described Chris Hansen.

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<v Speaker 2>He went on to, I thought this was interesting. He

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<v Speaker 2>said when Chris Hansen first heard about it, he was

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<v Speaker 2>quite excited. Since then, he has done what Chris Hansen,

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<v Speaker 2>the showman, does and has said a lot more about it.

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<v Speaker 2>His reaction to the film right now is exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>the film is about. Boom.

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<v Speaker 1>We should have saved that one for the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn, that's a mic drop right there. That's gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're seeing him do it once again. It's entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's performative. He's taking this and doing it. He's, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrecking it. He even had some quotes wrote, and

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<v Speaker 1>you saw it as well, saying, I was a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I am still a fan. But he is impressed by...

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<v Speaker 1>The showman part of who this guy is. Groves, we

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<v Speaker 1>got one more here. I just thought this guy brought

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<v Speaker 1>it home.

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<v Speaker 3>He really did.

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<v Speaker 2>He said what he does, and he's talking again about

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hansen, what Chris Hansen does is also connected to

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<v Speaker 2>a very ancient idea. Thousands of years of performative justice.

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<v Speaker 2>The pillory, the whipping posts. When you turn that spectacle

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<v Speaker 2>of punishment into a television show that has to compete

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<v Speaker 2>against lost people, You've opened a Pandora's box.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. Wow. He's saying, okay, we can have this conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's fair. That's reasonable. The other question there is, Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>does it matter? If you're doing such good that you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting these people off the streets and you're keeping a

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<v Speaker 1>kid from being a victim, if it's entertainment, so be it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's worth whatever it takes. Can we answer that question?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we can.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends because to your point, you know, you better

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<v Speaker 2>damn well be sure you've got the right person and

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<v Speaker 2>just the impact to have somebody basically publicly skewered before

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<v Speaker 2>they're even arrested or before they're even charged, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>as they're being arrested without.

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<v Speaker 3>An opportunity to defend themselves. I don't know. It is

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<v Speaker 3>murky at best.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess we got to go see this movie now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we do.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, put that on your radar. But yes, Robes

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<v Speaker 1>and folks, it did well over the weekend, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it ended up in fourth place. It had what is

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<v Speaker 1>considered to be a stellar weekend. It might have some

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<v Speaker 1>legs going the next couple weeks, because now what? We

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<v Speaker 1>just put it on your radar. Now it's on our radar.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. Congratulations to Chris Pattinson and the folks

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<v Speaker 1>over there.

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Pattinson.

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<v Speaker 1>What did I call him?

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<v Speaker 3>You said Chris Pattinson.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I meant to say. You all knew

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<v Speaker 1>what I was getting at. Okay, thanks for listening. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you soon.