Speaker 1: Maybe you have seen Pamela Anderson in her Netflix documentary
Speaker 1: last year. Maybe you saw her in her recent feature film,
Speaker 1: The Last Showgirl, which won her a Golden Globe nomination.
Speaker 1: Or maybe you've seen her new cookbook, her first book project.
Speaker 1: Because lately, Pamela Anderson has been everywhere. Elle Magazine asked
Speaker 1: me to interview pam for their February digital issue. We
Speaker 1: had a great time getting to know each other better,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to share our conversation with you.
Speaker 2: Please enjoy. Hi, Hi, Nice to meet you in person.
Speaker 3: Nice to meet you in parson. I'm so excited. I
Speaker 3: thought this would just be kind of random but kind
Speaker 3: of perfect.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it is. It's very exciting for me. I
Speaker 2: got out at four am this morning to watch your
Speaker 2: amazing performance in The Last Showgirl. Well, thank you and
Speaker 2: uh and it made me very sad, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's sad, but it was very very well done.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, congratulations, thank you, and I'm I'm glad you're that
Speaker 2: you're not the downtrodden woman in the in the film.
Speaker 2: It's just it's like crazy and Jamie the Curtis, she
Speaker 2: did such an amazing job as usual.
Speaker 4: She's so much fun. I mean, she was just like
Speaker 4: such a champion for women too. She just took me
Speaker 4: by the shoulders and she said, I did this movie
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, it's such a woman's woman.
Speaker 4: She's been there, she's reinvented herself time and again. And
Speaker 4: I think she saw bet in me that you know,
Speaker 4: I was wanting to do the same thing and really
Speaker 4: support me, which was, you know, incredible. I'm just so
Speaker 4: happy I got to do this.
Speaker 2: And the fact that it's congratulations on the Golden Globe,
Speaker 2: uh nomination. And I don't think he got an Oscar
Speaker 2: today though I.
Speaker 4: Was watching Oh no, no nomination for the Oscar, but
Speaker 4: I mean I couldn't even imagine that. I mean, I
Speaker 4: did get a SAG nomination, which is great, which is
Speaker 4: really exciting. You know, all of this is just unexpected exciting.
Speaker 4: I always say the win is in the work. I mean,
Speaker 4: I just got to do something I really love and really,
Speaker 4: you know, I needed to do that for my soul.
Speaker 2: So how long did it take to make that film?
Speaker 3: We shot in eighteen days?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that's amazing.
Speaker 4: It's impossible about me, But you know, the impossible is
Speaker 4: what it so it was almost in real time.
Speaker 2: It's like it's according to the Yeah, amazing. And where
Speaker 2: you shoot it? Where was that?
Speaker 4: Well, we shot it in Las Vegas, and we shot
Speaker 4: it at the Rio, and we shot it backstage and
Speaker 4: really in real backstage quarters, those really tiny, you know spaces,
Speaker 4: and we had to get out of there at a
Speaker 4: certain time because of the show, like that underwater circus
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: We had to put everything back.
Speaker 2: The start is so lay oh something, Oh the old
Speaker 2: one and those tall stairs. I was feeling so sorry
Speaker 2: for all the girls climbing up those stairs.
Speaker 4: Good for your legs, but boy, oh boy, it's with
Speaker 4: fifty pounds backpacks on. I mean a lot of those
Speaker 4: those costumes were so heavy. I mean all those rhinestones
Speaker 4: they weigh something. And then we had the backpack and
Speaker 4: the headdresses and you know, and the stairs.
Speaker 3: Coming downstairs is harder than going upstairs.
Speaker 2: How did the role actually come about?
Speaker 4: The role came about, well, I the script was sent
Speaker 4: to an old agent and he turned it down. And
Speaker 4: I've talked about that, and I my son produced the
Speaker 4: documentary that he made.
Speaker 3: He made a documentary, and.
Speaker 4: Gea knew that he produced that, so she got him
Speaker 4: the script, knowing that I hadn't read it if it
Speaker 4: was turned down within a new hour, and I read
Speaker 4: it fell in love with it. I could hear the
Speaker 4: voice in my head, I could see how to play here,
Speaker 4: all the layers and nuances. I felt like it was
Speaker 4: already in my mind, and so I knew I had
Speaker 4: to do it. And that's the first time I've ever
Speaker 4: experienced anything like that, because nobody was giving me these
Speaker 4: great characters to play or a script like this.
Speaker 3: So I just thought, wow, I was I came home.
Speaker 4: I made a beautiful garden, roses and vegetables, and you know,
Speaker 4: making pickles and jam, a big pickler and canner, and
Speaker 4: that's in my family, and that's something that I just thought,
Speaker 4: Camela's pickles. Maybe I'll do something fun like that heard
Speaker 4: And then this world came about, and I thought, well,
Speaker 4: I can I can get at to that later, I
Speaker 4: can do it at this, I can do both. But
Speaker 4: I really wanted to do this film, and so that's
Speaker 4: how it came about, and I just started preparing for
Speaker 4: it and working hard on it, and I thought this
Speaker 4: might be my only chance to do a film, and
Speaker 4: so I'm going to give it all I got, well,
Speaker 4: you look you looked.
Speaker 2: And your body looked amazing. I looked you looked great
Speaker 2: in the in the film. Did you have to do
Speaker 2: any special press for the film or you? I mean
Speaker 2: you're you're in fantastic shape and your and your beautiful skin.
Speaker 2: I know all about your no makeup thin.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I take care of myself. I you know,
Speaker 4: I eat healthy. I'm a you know, I'm always outside walking.
Speaker 4: But I worked with a great choreographer who I worked
Speaker 4: with on Broadway. Actually I played Roxy in Chicago on Broadway,
Speaker 4: and I had Greg Butler. I brought him onto this film,
Speaker 4: and so he kind of knew where, you know, I
Speaker 4: was at. I'm not really a dancer, as much as
Speaker 4: I love it. He knew how to how we could
Speaker 4: work together and how we could put that audition scene together.
Speaker 4: So that was a lot of you know, dancing, it's
Speaker 4: great exercise. But I've always kind of been active, so
Speaker 4: that's what keeps me in shape. I'm not I don't
Speaker 4: go to the gym or anything like that, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't do pilates like I do three
Speaker 2: three mornings a week at six thirty am.
Speaker 3: I love plates but I don't have it here on
Speaker 3: the island. I'm not on at any place.
Speaker 2: That's something you could be that said, I've a pilates studio.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants pilates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I could do it.
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 3: I have a little you know, basement in my in
Speaker 3: my boat house.
Speaker 4: I could probably put a pilates machine there, but I
Speaker 4: probably get tangled up in it.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: No, it's but I have a train. I have a trainer,
Speaker 2: and it's old easier because they can change all the
Speaker 2: springs and everything. You don't have to you don't have
Speaker 2: to do it yourself.
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty hard to do yourself. I think, actually, no,
Speaker 3: it is too hard.
Speaker 2: And so so the so the choreography was, it was
Speaker 2: very interesting, and the and the the men behind, you know,
Speaker 2: behind the voice. I mean that it's it's it's happened
Speaker 2: to all of us, those auditions that are just so
Speaker 2: ridiculous and so heartless, and you get the real feeling
Speaker 2: of that there.
Speaker 4: Well, I like it that she doesn't take no for
Speaker 4: an answer, that she would almost walks away but then
Speaker 4: turns back.
Speaker 2: I had an experience like that when I was very
Speaker 2: young doing going on go sees as a model, and
Speaker 2: they asked us as all the girls the ghost sage
Speaker 2: to bringing bikinis. And after I had the interview with
Speaker 2: about there were about fifteen guys sitting around a table
Speaker 2: looking at our books and looking at us, and then
Speaker 2: they said, oh, go on, go get into your bikinis.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, does the part require a bikini?
Speaker 2: And the guy said no, but we might as well.
Speaker 2: We have you here, we might as well look at you.
Speaker 2: And I just walked out of the room. I just
Speaker 2: left and I was only you know, maybe seven team,
Speaker 2: but I just I just wouldn't put up with that crap.
Speaker 3: Well that's good that you didn't put up with that.
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's the way I've been all along, but
Speaker 2: with the whole me too thing and everything, I just
Speaker 2: wouldn't put up with it. And yet you know, when
Speaker 2: you see other girls do put it, putting up with
Speaker 2: it because of the they need the money or they
Speaker 2: need the job, and it's it's a it was a
Speaker 2: difficult situation. I think I think that might be getting
Speaker 2: better after all these few years of horrible metube problems
Speaker 2: that we've been going through.
Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to navigate, it's hard to navigate a
Speaker 4: business which is based on physical be and you know
Speaker 4: and also naivete. You're young and you're in this business
Speaker 4: and you want to please people, and you don't know
Speaker 4: you have a gut feeling that maybe it's not the
Speaker 4: right thing to do, and you can get yourself in
Speaker 4: these dangerous situations.
Speaker 3: Or I was painfully shy.
Speaker 4: It was such a shy young girl, if you can
Speaker 4: believe it, and I just wanted to do anything to
Speaker 4: stop being shy. And I remember when this Playboy cover
Speaker 4: came up. I said, okay, I can. My mom said
Speaker 4: do it? You know, yes, do it. And I didn't
Speaker 4: know what it was going to lead to, but then
Speaker 4: you know, it led to kind of this wild and
Speaker 4: crazy life, but something certainly you draw from I guy.
Speaker 2: How was it to work with Gia Coppola?
Speaker 3: Well, she is amazing. She's such a great actress director.
Speaker 4: She's very soft spoken, but she's very decisive and she
Speaker 4: this was her singular vision.
Speaker 3: She had one a little monitor that she would carry.
Speaker 4: You know. I went from this movie to doing Naked
Speaker 4: Gun for Paramount, and it was like, couldn't be any
Speaker 4: more different. I mean, with hundreds of people on set,
Speaker 4: video villages, she had keeping this. It was by Indie
Speaker 4: fields are so fun because I really don't have a
Speaker 4: lot of cooks in the kitchen. It's really her vision.
Speaker 4: And she's great. I mean she she has this natural
Speaker 4: calmness and knowing and and there was so many women
Speaker 4: on the set, Like even our DP was a woman,
Speaker 4: Autumn Durral who's and the girl carrying the boom.
Speaker 3: There was so many women on this.
Speaker 4: I don't think they planned it, but this was really
Speaker 4: a film about women, created by women, written by a woman.
Speaker 2: But but dressed by a man. How is Bob Mackie?
Speaker 3: Bob Mackie Bob Mackie costumes?
Speaker 4: Those were museum pieces by you know, some of them
Speaker 4: still had name tags in them. So I really felt,
Speaker 4: you know, as much as we were sticking into me
Speaker 4: and like, you know.
Speaker 3: Heavy and and and.
Speaker 2: They were they were quite. They were wife fabulous. Those
Speaker 2: caustic and dresses too, those much are her.
Speaker 4: They were heavy and they make it look easy. I
Speaker 4: mean I talked to some of the Jubilee show girls.
Speaker 4: I had them come over for tea and we talked
Speaker 4: about kind of the you know showgirl dos and don't
Speaker 4: you know they're not bur lesque dancers. They were never
Speaker 4: asked to mingle with people in the casinos. They were
Speaker 4: kind of they were protected. They were the icon of
Speaker 4: Las Vegas. But there's no show anymore, you know it.
Speaker 4: Out with the old, in with the new. Las Vegas
Speaker 4: is pretty much known for that, and I think that's
Speaker 4: why I love the analog versus digital of shooting on
Speaker 4: film was kind of subconscious in a way where it
Speaker 4: kind of remind nostalgia, kind of made you think of
Speaker 4: the past. And it was kind of a period piece
Speaker 4: because I think it was twenty sixteen that Jubilee ended,
Speaker 4: and so they had to be careful how they shot
Speaker 4: Las Vegas. They couldn't have the Sphere in it, for instance.
Speaker 3: You know, they had to make sure it was you been.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, have you been to
Speaker 2: the Sphere?
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I've been there three times. And I
Speaker 2: have a restaurant in Las Vegas. Do you know that.
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Oh if I had known you were shooting there, I
Speaker 2: would have made three. Your whole crew went to my restaurant. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's in the Paris It's in the Paris Hotel and
Speaker 2: it's called the Bidford and it's a replica, sort of
Speaker 2: a replica, oversize replica of my own house. That like
Speaker 2: this room that I'm sitting at is there's stuff like
Speaker 2: this in the in the it's a beautiful restaurant and
Speaker 2: it is one of the top five celebrity restaurants in
Speaker 2: Las Vegas this year. I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: That's so exciting. Congratulations.
Speaker 2: Yes, all I can think about in that sphere, which
Speaker 2: is one of the most amazing theatrical experiences you will
Speaker 2: ever have, or probably the most amazing you'll ever have,
Speaker 2: is if Shakespeare had had such a place, Oh my,
Speaker 2: it would have been. I can't wait to see a
Speaker 2: Shakespearean play in that place. I can. And I saw
Speaker 2: you what was incredible in the most recent show it
Speaker 2: was it was the best. But but they're there. Movie
Speaker 2: that is about the world, about the world is that
Speaker 2: takes the cake. It's just Incredibles me by like six
Speaker 2: see different directors and it's an amazing film. So when
Speaker 2: you go back to Las Vegas, make sure you get
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: I will go. Yeah, I was whatever, see.
Speaker 2: What or is there there they need? It's very as
Speaker 2: there's so many things going on at once. You'll see
Speaker 2: when you go. So I want to know about Lady Smith.
Speaker 2: It's so such a beautiful name. Is that an old name?
Speaker 2: Is that the real name of a town?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a real name of a town. It's an
Speaker 3: old mining town on Vancouver Island and it's called Lady Smith.
Speaker 3: It's like one little road and I've I grew up here,
Speaker 3: you did.
Speaker 4: My grandmother had this little auto court where there was
Speaker 4: nine cabins on this little court and I'm in the
Speaker 4: roadhouse right now, which used to be her general store,
Speaker 4: and she had a tea. She would serve tea in
Speaker 4: the little teahouse. It's all connected, and had a little
Speaker 4: store here and would bake here. And so I'm right
Speaker 4: here where the squeaks are on the same spots, my
Speaker 4: dad says, in the floors.
Speaker 3: But that's about it. It's it's very cute.
Speaker 2: Where did they come from? Where did your Where did
Speaker 2: your your parents come from? Where did your grandparents come from?
Speaker 4: My grandparents were Finnish, finish finish, so I have the
Speaker 4: finish finish roots. And there were loggers and my grandfather
Speaker 4: danced on treetops.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, They're so beautiful. The people are so beautiful. I
Speaker 2: venture fin let other people are so beautiful and their
Speaker 2: attitude is so beautiful too.
Speaker 4: Well. Nature is very important, and storytelling is very important.
Speaker 4: My grandfather used to teach me fairy tales and mythology.
Speaker 4: It was a great storyteller and really deep voice. And
Speaker 4: I was six foot four and I don't know. He
Speaker 4: was really a special person. And I spoke Finnish to
Speaker 4: him till he passed away when I was eleven. But
Speaker 4: I can imagine him here in his chair with that
Speaker 4: he always had, So it's nice. I wanted to come home.
Speaker 4: I wanted to come home to the place where the
Speaker 4: trees knew me since birth. You know, I just felt
Speaker 4: like I needed to come home.
Speaker 2: Well, how often how often do you leave there?
Speaker 3: I am hardly ever here lately.
Speaker 4: I mean promoting this film for four months and running
Speaker 4: around and doing that. You know what, we I forgot
Speaker 4: that this was all part of it. You know, you
Speaker 4: think you do the film and then you're done, But no,
Speaker 4: that's just.
Speaker 2: Going No, No, You're you're going to do all the
Speaker 2: find out about all the ancillary stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do believe in the film. I want
Speaker 4: as many people to see the film as possible. I
Speaker 4: wanted to get it's do it well.
Speaker 2: It has just a limited distribution right now. When is
Speaker 2: it going to go on Netflix or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the plans are for streaming, but
Speaker 4: I'm glad that this film is being shown on the
Speaker 4: big screen because they created special lenses for this film Autumn.
Speaker 4: There's these automorphic lenses where the edges are kind of blurred,
Speaker 4: and that really focuses in on the talent. So that's
Speaker 4: kind of lose that I think in smaller devices. But
Speaker 4: it's an indie film, so for instance, we'd open on
Speaker 4: six hundred screens instead of thousands like another film. What
Speaker 4: and and in Canada, you know, a hundred screens or something.
Speaker 4: It's it's very limited and also limited in for the
Speaker 4: money they put into advertising, so it's very much word
Speaker 4: of mouth and and so that's why we do as
Speaker 4: much as we can do to promote it, because it
Speaker 4: doesn't have the same machine behind it. You know, Netflix,
Speaker 4: they have millions and millions of dollars they put behind
Speaker 4: their projects and their artists, and so I kind of
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 3: I'm always like the little engine that could. I can
Speaker 3: get there. I can get there. I'm just fighting for it.
Speaker 2: I think, I think lots and lots and lots of
Speaker 2: people will be watching.
Speaker 5: It's still I hope, ultimately, I think so.
Speaker 2: So what does the ideal day look like for you
Speaker 2: in Ladies Smith?
Speaker 4: Well, it's winter right now, and actually yesterday was fun
Speaker 4: because I got to really prune back my roses. It
Speaker 4: finally froze, which is so bizarre, Like the weather's so different.
Speaker 4: We used to get snow every year and there's been
Speaker 4: no snow, so I wanted to wait and really do
Speaker 4: the heart prunning after the froze for a while. So
Speaker 4: that's what I did yesterday. Today, I'm just you know,
Speaker 4: am I is it? My b I moved my parents
Speaker 4: onto the property. They live in one of the cabins,
Speaker 4: and so there's some health issues for things. I'm looking
Speaker 4: after them and it's fun. It's fun to cook for them.
Speaker 4: It's fun to make my dad eat more vegetables in
Speaker 4: it's his seventies.
Speaker 2: Like you, you have, you have one child.
Speaker 3: I have two children. I have, oh I have, but
Speaker 3: they're twenty seven and twenty eight, Brandon and Dylan. Dylan
Speaker 3: is the youngest one.
Speaker 4: Brandon is the producer who's you know, masterminding this all
Speaker 4: a lot of these things.
Speaker 3: I saw your documentary, by the way, and I loved it.
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 3: I loved it?
Speaker 2: Oh it's just so great. Oh good, well, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you, it's so great.
Speaker 4: You're such a beauty and you're such a you know,
Speaker 4: you started the whole world.
Speaker 3: I mean, just just to be able. I love.
Speaker 4: I consider myself a homemaker. I consider myself you know,
Speaker 4: I love to bake and cook and.
Speaker 2: I'll win white. I just I got your I got
Speaker 2: your from your cookbook. There it is and very nicely, John.
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to put together?
Speaker 4: Three years? You know we did the testing and taste,
Speaker 4: I mean did they. I didn't realize what takes to
Speaker 4: make a cookbook because I made this recipe card box
Speaker 4: for my kids when they got their first home together
Speaker 4: and they lived together, and they are the ones who said, mom,
Speaker 4: this is a cookbook.
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh.
Speaker 4: Geez, they're so you know, they're very they're.
Speaker 3: Businessmen, so that was their idea.
Speaker 4: And then I just worked with a great photographer. The
Speaker 4: photographer actually shot Nomah's cookbook. Oh, and Noah is so
Speaker 4: fabulous on and.
Speaker 2: D then have you been ged Ova?
Speaker 3: I have I have.
Speaker 2: I have. It's a vegetable season, so that was lucky
Speaker 2: for me. So I like, I love rice porridge. That's
Speaker 2: that's really is that. It's really Japanese with the.
Speaker 4: Gorgeous I'm a moarning person, and I, you know, all
Speaker 4: these people that are doing this intrimitted fasting, I couldn't
Speaker 4: do it. I have to eat as soon as I
Speaker 4: get up, I take my vitamins. I I make some
Speaker 4: kind of porridge and some kind of something warm, you know,
Speaker 4: or my overnight oats. It's funny when I go to
Speaker 4: hotels now, I'll go to my room. I'll go to
Speaker 4: my room and there'll be something the chef has made
Speaker 4: from my cookbook in my room.
Speaker 2: How nice? Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 3: In Barcelona, in La, all over the world.
Speaker 2: And I love your writing and I love your sketching.
Speaker 3: You do my doodles, Oh no, I think.
Speaker 2: They're very beautiful. I want to eat a sweet po
Speaker 2: potato burger right now.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you like that because that's what I eat.
Speaker 3: But that's my you know, my kids were kind of saying, Mom,
Speaker 3: this is really a recipe.
Speaker 2: No, it's it is a recipe at least it's an
Speaker 2: idea of a very good recipe. And your saffron spinach
Speaker 2: rice cake. It reminds me so much of Tadique. You know,
Speaker 2: I love I love Persian food, and that is.
Speaker 3: Called that's a deep because I didn't want to be disrespectful,
Speaker 3: because you know I can write.
Speaker 2: Do you you can grow saffron? Do you know that?
Speaker 2: Did not know that I'm growing my old saffron. I
Speaker 2: got a jar of saffron from my farm this year,
Speaker 2: a little half high jar of saffron, which is like gold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And do you grow it in the garden or
Speaker 4: do you grow it in the garden and it comes
Speaker 4: back stronger the second year and then even stronger than
Speaker 4: the third year.
Speaker 2: They're procus balls. Okay, you can order them and they
Speaker 2: are wonderful. I mean, the fragrance of homegrown saffron is
Speaker 2: so much superior to anything that you buy anything. I
Speaker 2: love it. You will love it. Oh, I love your
Speaker 2: I love your watermelon, watermelon granita. Do you know have
Speaker 2: you seen my new cookbook, my hundredth book?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, but I want it.
Speaker 2: I have a good orange granita in that book. And
Speaker 2: here you are probably amazing. You have watermelon.
Speaker 4: It's so beautiful, and I'd like to do with preserved
Speaker 4: lemons too. But you know, I met David Zimmer of
Speaker 4: the cementation guy from Nomah, yeah, talking about you know that,
Speaker 4: and so they kind of was inspired by him a
Speaker 4: little bit the watermelon grenita.
Speaker 3: But I was speaking of blood orange trees. I probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't say this, but I.
Speaker 4: Remember when my sons were born, I planted them I
Speaker 4: placenta in a blood orch tree.
Speaker 3: You did, That's very I don't know where we got
Speaker 3: the idea to do that. Oh, that's goulda been a
Speaker 3: terrible thing that comes up.
Speaker 2: And did the blood orange tree grow well?
Speaker 3: The blood oornetry grew well.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately that heuse burned down, oh in one of
Speaker 4: the California fires, which I am just poor California for
Speaker 4: this has just been the most horrible. There was also
Speaker 4: one that just came up at the Getdy overnight and
Speaker 4: I'm like, yes, really yeah, but they put it out,
Speaker 4: they contained it right away, but it was overnight, and
Speaker 4: they're sending me videos my kids all the time.
Speaker 3: It's so awful. I have so many friends who lost their.
Speaker 2: Homes, and you know, we had I said to a
Speaker 2: matching a matching program or my company. All our gifts
Speaker 2: are by the company, which is good. We set off.
Speaker 2: I sent off a lot of money last week, and
Speaker 2: I hope I got one notice that from somebody that
Speaker 2: they had received it. So I hope they can distribute
Speaker 2: it fairly and not nicely.
Speaker 3: And the people, well that's the hard thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, my you know, I know a lot of
Speaker 4: people who work with animals, so I've been trying to help,
Speaker 4: you know, reunite people with their I gave.
Speaker 2: I gave mine to the pet world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need some rain, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think that's it's just been a very apocalyptic because.
Speaker 2: That's why you don't That's why you haven't a snow
Speaker 2: in Vancouver because there's no rain, right, I know.
Speaker 4: But it's I keep on telling my kids this place is.
Speaker 4: I mean, it really is heavenly I live. It's it's
Speaker 4: nice to live like in a rainforest and eagles and
Speaker 4: owls and seals on.
Speaker 3: My deck, and you know it's whales, killer whales. So
Speaker 3: beautiful it really is.
Speaker 4: I never I could never give this place up, even
Speaker 4: though the East Coast is.
Speaker 3: Kind of calling me. I mean, I really love I'm
Speaker 3: always going.
Speaker 2: To Bedford you would love it here. I really love
Speaker 2: Connecticut and I Bedford's Bedford's west Chester. It's right on
Speaker 2: the border of Connecticut, so you're in It's it's in
Speaker 2: New York, and it's from my house. It's like fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes to my office in on thirty fourth Street. And
Speaker 2: I live on one hundred and fifty acre farm.
Speaker 3: As Pictures and Jesse have.
Speaker 2: We have all kinds of of West Coast people moving
Speaker 2: in now, and I bet we get more because of
Speaker 2: the because of the fires. But Matt Damon just moved here,
Speaker 2: and and we have Blake Lively, she She and Rock
Speaker 2: live here, and a bunch of a bunch of other
Speaker 2: lots of Hollywood people have been moving here. But it's nice.
Speaker 2: You love it here.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's kind of like where I am.
Speaker 3: But yeah, civilization.
Speaker 2: You don't have the ocean. The ocean is so close by.
Speaker 2: But we have beautiful reservoirs and lakes and and I
Speaker 2: have a I have lots of animals on my farm.
Speaker 2: I live like you live, but on the on the
Speaker 2: East coast.
Speaker 4: The Hudson Husband Member is a big art commune. Like
Speaker 4: for yes, a lot of artists come came from there.
Speaker 4: So it's say, it was like it's an energy there.
Speaker 4: I think I want to do some theater too. So
Speaker 4: I think if I kind of gravitate towards the East coast,
Speaker 4: I'll be closer and I'll be a little more brave
Speaker 4: and try to experiment with I want do things that
Speaker 4: challenge me. I want to do things that are completely transformative.
Speaker 4: And so that's the exciting part of all this is
Speaker 4: that I think people may it may start being able
Speaker 4: to see me and doing other things other than you know,
Speaker 4: like just.
Speaker 2: The and I can I ask you how old you
Speaker 2: are because I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I'm fifty seven.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's why you said that in the movie.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: In the line was I'm fifty and I'm beautiful, and
Speaker 3: I changed it.
Speaker 2: I said, no, we're just committing mine now, you said,
Speaker 2: he said, And I said, boy, does she look good
Speaker 2: for fifty seven? So you could be my daughter. My
Speaker 2: daughter is fifty nine. I have a very beautiful daughter,
Speaker 2: mother of my two grandchildren. And and she's fifty nine.
Speaker 2: She looks like looks like she looks like forty at
Speaker 2: the most. My daughter and uh and the kid. The
Speaker 2: kids are old for they're old for a forty year old.
Speaker 2: But they're very young for a fifty nine year old
Speaker 2: because they're only twelve and thirteen. The kids' friends have
Speaker 2: much younger parents. So my daughter, my daughter is like
Speaker 2: in a weird situation, and she's she's divorced and she
Speaker 2: doesn't have a husband and and so's she's in a
Speaker 2: weird place. But she is such a good mother. And
Speaker 2: those kids are so fabulous.
Speaker 3: I can't wait on grandkids.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's the best.
Speaker 6: Wait, but you still you still have two little boys.
Speaker 6: They're twenty seven, they're that's young. Well, the money is
Speaker 6: already engaged in cage. Yeah, they're really happy. They're good.
Speaker 6: I don't know they they're they're old souls. I mean,
Speaker 6: it will be fun. I think, you know, that's the
Speaker 6: next stage.
Speaker 3: That's an step. I mean, my relationship is to my
Speaker 3: work and that as I like to say, you.
Speaker 2: With you would love my granddaughter. She my granddaughter sort
Speaker 2: of reminds me of you. She's very vivacious, and she's
Speaker 2: and she's uh, she can act, she can dance. She's
Speaker 2: been at Alvin Ailey for she's been at Alvin Aily
Speaker 2: for ten years and she's thirteen. Wow, And she's been
Speaker 2: studying there for ten years. And she's like strong as anything,
Speaker 2: you know, physically strong and very tall. She's like six
Speaker 2: feet tall now she's thirteen. Well, you can don't kill girl.
Speaker 2: She's good.
Speaker 3: I think that's what happens.
Speaker 4: I think the dancers really, you know, spend their whole
Speaker 4: life dancing and then just got too tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's getting too tall for the for well, Alvin
Speaker 2: Ali the girl. The women are big, you know, they're
Speaker 2: big women, and but but beautiful. And she she likes choreography.
Speaker 2: She likes to do She likes to choreograph, so that's good,
Speaker 2: that's what she'll do. But she also wants to be
Speaker 2: a doctor.
Speaker 3: She also was a combination. I'm being a doctor, she
Speaker 3: loves to.
Speaker 2: Be your writers and she's and she wants to be
Speaker 2: a food critic.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you need to know a lot of
Speaker 3: things and do a lot of things these days.
Speaker 2: Your your book has so much and you refer so
Speaker 2: much to sort of classic French, very high cuisine, but
Speaker 2: in the most simple, beautiful way. So did you travel
Speaker 2: a lot in Europe?
Speaker 3: I have traveled a lot, and I spent a few
Speaker 3: years in the south of France. I lived in Sant Tropez.
Speaker 3: I lived in Marseille, I lived in Cassie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah I did.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And so that was thought.
Speaker 2: So that's where that's where a lot of these that's
Speaker 2: where a lot of these beautiful recipes call and and
Speaker 2: the h and the photography is beautiful in this book.
Speaker 2: I love all your pickles, yeah, and I make I
Speaker 2: make lots of jams and jellies too. I grow so
Speaker 2: many different kinds of berries and fruits on my farm.
Speaker 2: And your focacco looks amazing. And your bread is your
Speaker 2: bread really really good?
Speaker 3: My bread is really good.
Speaker 4: I've already made you know, three badges since I've been home.
Speaker 4: I have this great, you know, sour dough starter named
Speaker 4: Astrid Biking Warrior Princess.
Speaker 3: She's amazing, and so yeah, I just finally.
Speaker 4: As soon as I get home, I take a starter
Speaker 4: out of the fridge, I feed her. Then I you know,
Speaker 4: a couple of days later, I can start making bread.
Speaker 4: And that's when I feel like I'm home. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's therapeutic.
Speaker 2: How who takes care of Astrod when you're away?
Speaker 3: He's in the fridge.
Speaker 2: She just stays in the fridge.
Speaker 3: She's so gay, she's fine. Yeah, she's fine.
Speaker 4: And I mean I was gone for a few months
Speaker 4: and I came back and and I just you know,
Speaker 4: poured off the liquid on the top and feed her
Speaker 4: and it was fine and small Paris.
Speaker 2: That's good, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's been a you know, my
Speaker 4: son's fiance taught me how to make bread.
Speaker 3: And it was a big thing. I think over COVID
Speaker 3: when people were making bread. Oh yeah, and but I
Speaker 3: really love it. It's hard for me to follow recipes sometimes,
Speaker 3: but with baking.
Speaker 4: Have to and with bread, I just learned the hard
Speaker 4: way over many attempts.
Speaker 3: You have to do it.
Speaker 2: I like your kale ships. Those look really good.
Speaker 3: Those are good, really good. So are you a vegetarian?
Speaker 4: I am, I am, But I you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: want to make the book very like vegan. I wanted
Speaker 4: it to just be celebrating my garden because, you know,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what to make out of my
Speaker 4: garden all the time, you know how we get so
Speaker 4: much of everything all at once.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I.
Speaker 4: So I was and then thinking about my favorite kinds
Speaker 4: of food all over the world, and I think it came.
Speaker 4: You know, we start off with so many recipes and
Speaker 4: you whittle it down. So I wanted it also to
Speaker 4: be about, you know, writing a little bit and sharing
Speaker 4: more lifestyle stuff too.
Speaker 2: But well it it came out very beautifully, were very beautifully.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. That means a lot coming from you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm gonna make your waffles. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: If you make it, let me know.
Speaker 2: I'll send you a photo.
Speaker 3: That would be good.
Speaker 4: It's funny because you know when you're doing food, when
Speaker 4: you're doing the testing, and then you're doing the pictures,
Speaker 4: and then you're.
Speaker 3: Not there for all the pictures. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: I was going crazy because you know, yours looks a
Speaker 4: little different than it's. It's it's a real experience. I
Speaker 4: didn't realize how much went in to make it.
Speaker 2: I'll send I'll send you a copy of my new book.
Speaker 2: It's my it's like my forty ninth cookbook, but my
Speaker 2: one hundredth book overall. And so it was it was
Speaker 2: a big deal getting that out for for the last week.
Speaker 2: Got we got it out right before Christmas. But I'll
Speaker 2: send it to you and you can just peruse it.
Speaker 2: It has one little chapter in the back of how
Speaker 2: I write a cookbook, And because after all these cookbooks
Speaker 2: that I've written, it was it was funny. And that's
Speaker 2: my granddaughter. That was the first page you read in
Speaker 2: the books because she was very interested to know how
Speaker 2: it actually what the process is. And I got it down.
Speaker 2: I got it down, I think after forty eight books.
Speaker 3: So just recipe itself is as a as an art.
Speaker 2: Form and you can't you can't let anybody show you
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: It's hard. It's hard work, so I mean, much harder
Speaker 3: than I thought.
Speaker 2: It would be. So what's your what's your favorite recipe
Speaker 2: in the book?
Speaker 4: Well, I am you know, I just have these fond
Speaker 4: memories of making parogis, you know, with my mom, and and.
Speaker 3: We still make them.
Speaker 4: You know, you bring out the big board and you
Speaker 4: fill them of all sorts of things, because you know
Speaker 4: they Jesus is pretty much in everything.
Speaker 3: Dairy isn't pretty much everything.
Speaker 4: So I tried to find a really good recipe that
Speaker 4: didn't have that in it. So I was I really
Speaker 4: love that that one with the peas.
Speaker 3: And the mint.
Speaker 4: Yeah, delicious, So nice little combination, but I pictures a
Speaker 4: little bit over fried.
Speaker 3: That isn't how mine looked. So I was just like
Speaker 3: always looking at things.
Speaker 4: I made a whole list because usually you know in
Speaker 4: a cookbook sometimes there's these little tiny things that are
Speaker 4: off and you keep this running list. So I learned
Speaker 4: it just you know, you have proofreaders, you have people
Speaker 4: going through these things, and you still miss little tiny things.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that drive you crazy? Uh No, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: I I think I've gotten used to those those people there.
Speaker 2: And a good code for editor is a really good
Speaker 2: thing because you don't want to leave anything out. You
Speaker 2: don't want to add any any any mistakes in the
Speaker 2: recipe because you want to be authentic, but you want
Speaker 2: to be accurate. So what what what is exciting you
Speaker 2: outside of let's say the cookbook world now or the
Speaker 2: film world. What's exciting you and what's distressing you?
Speaker 3: What's distressing me?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I've always been a little bit of
Speaker 4: a rebel, and you know, I tried, I'm doing this,
Speaker 4: you know not, I'm not that I'm doing this no
Speaker 4: makeup thing. As decided I don't have to want to
Speaker 4: make up every day or being a hair and makeup
Speaker 4: chair every day.
Speaker 3: And even in this photo shoot for L I wore makeup.
Speaker 4: It was exciting and glamorous, and I'm just trying to
Speaker 4: find what my next incarnation is. I feel like I
Speaker 4: because I'm such like the little you know, farm girl
Speaker 4: oh here, but I also love glamour and I love
Speaker 4: beauty and I.
Speaker 2: Love Oh man, you're real good at that.
Speaker 3: So I don't said.
Speaker 2: You have beautiful skinned, beautiful teeth, beautiful eyes, and you know,
Speaker 2: you play it all. And when when you gave out
Speaker 2: the makeup thing, we were all kind of like saying,
Speaker 2: I wonder how long that will lasts? Because I'm a
Speaker 2: little natural, A little enhancement makes you even more fantastic.
Speaker 4: So well, and that's what I want to do, is
Speaker 4: I want to you know, experiment with but doing it myself.
Speaker 4: I feel like when I work with people, they put
Speaker 4: a lot on me or so I just kind of
Speaker 4: want to be like, you know, every moment you get
Speaker 4: up in the morning, you feel like, what is what
Speaker 4: makes your eyes a little bit more accentuated?
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to do that, but I'd like to
Speaker 3: do why don't you.
Speaker 2: Why don't you work with a makeup Why don't you
Speaker 2: work with a makeup company?
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I should do that. I mean, I should
Speaker 4: he talk to my son Brandon. He'll know how to
Speaker 4: do it him and Dylan. But I I think that's
Speaker 4: what the next step is. I just want to be
Speaker 4: a little more polished, but not look over. But there's
Speaker 4: always it's fun to do, you know, magazine covers or
Speaker 4: movies and film that. Even with the Show Girl, I
Speaker 4: didn't really get ready in front of a mirror. I
Speaker 4: didn't want the scenes not wearing my cup. I didn't
Speaker 4: want to be I'm going to do want to think
Speaker 4: about how I looked in the film. So that was
Speaker 4: interesting journey too. But it's funny course that you don't
Speaker 4: like what you look like. I mean, it's just not
Speaker 4: even about that, it's about.
Speaker 2: I mean, could you were playing somebody, You're not playing yourself,
Speaker 2: So I'm.
Speaker 4: Not playing myself and I think that's kind of been
Speaker 4: the people have been asking me, like, how many similarities
Speaker 4: are there? Are you playing a version of yourself? And
Speaker 4: I said, no, this is this is an entirely different person.
Speaker 4: So that's exciting to see too. When you look up
Speaker 4: at the screen and you see you don't see yourself,
Speaker 4: that was really cool because god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you see a character instead, and I loved
Speaker 2: the documentary.
Speaker 3: I thought it was today and it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard to do it. It's hard to do a documentary.
Speaker 3: It is in your life. I didn't have anything.
Speaker 4: I told my son, if you're going to do a documentary,
Speaker 4: the only thing I asked is that I have nothing
Speaker 4: to do with it. And I said, I don't think
Speaker 4: I've saved anything, but of course, as every mother does,
Speaker 4: we've saved everything.
Speaker 3: So I let him just have free reign.
Speaker 2: And that's so great.
Speaker 4: I haven't even seen the whole thing top to bottom,
Speaker 4: because I started to see it. It just makes me
Speaker 4: sad what it was kind of the beginning of this
Speaker 4: era for me.
Speaker 3: So for with revelation, that's what it is, self acceptance.
Speaker 2: I'm writing an autobiography right now, and the way you
Speaker 2: do that, that's the hardest thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I did write grand memoirs. I wrote.
Speaker 4: I wrote my memoirs the same time they were doing
Speaker 4: the documentary, and for me, I can't.
Speaker 2: You're only seven, so it's not your memoir, you know what.
Speaker 2: It's just like a diary of your of your life
Speaker 2: until now you're going to have so much more to
Speaker 2: write about. I've waited completely. I mean I've written my
Speaker 2: remembering columns and all of that stuff, which is sort
Speaker 2: of part of the part of the autobiography. But boy,
Speaker 2: I'm having I'm having fun because it's going to be
Speaker 2: it's going to be very funny by my autobiography because
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let anything not be said. That's
Speaker 2: so nice, you know, I wanted to. I want to
Speaker 2: tell it all. I'm sure it'll be great, and then
Speaker 2: you'll get it all out. Oh well maybe maybe.
Speaker 4: Like again even with you, Martha with your cover of
Speaker 4: Sports Illustrated. It's nice to be able to do things
Speaker 4: that inspire people. I mean, that's what this business is
Speaker 4: all about. For me. I always want to make sure
Speaker 4: if I'm doing a film, that it's hopeful, that it's inspiring,
Speaker 4: that it's uh, you know, it's always moving forward. Like
Speaker 4: I feel like even Shelley, she's always moving forward. And
Speaker 4: I came to that script fully loaded, and when I
Speaker 4: met Gia, I just knew that she was going to
Speaker 4: throw things at me, but I was still going to
Speaker 4: be moving forward. So I love that about you and
Speaker 4: about your choices and and I think you inspire.
Speaker 2: A lot of women. I asked my daughter, should I
Speaker 2: do it? And she said, yeah, go for it. But
Speaker 2: but I, but I I work at it. You know,
Speaker 2: I take care of myself and but I, but I
Speaker 2: do have good heritity. And so when she said go
Speaker 2: for it, that was that was a nice way to
Speaker 2: encourage me. And and it's the same thing with the documentary.
Speaker 2: She she didn't watch the documentary until like two weeks
Speaker 2: after it was released. I didn't show it to her,
Speaker 2: she didn't ask to see it. And she called me
Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon she said, I just watched the
Speaker 2: film and I said yes, and she said it's good.
Speaker 2: So that was nice. And so that those are the
Speaker 2: kinds of things that that matter. I think as a response,
Speaker 2: the people who care about you the most, or the
Speaker 2: people you care about the most, if if they if
Speaker 2: it's okay with them, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Well it's for them too.
Speaker 4: I mean they I feel like when I remember, you know,
Speaker 4: just be being younger and navigating this business and having
Speaker 4: two children, and everything that happens to us have as
Speaker 4: to them, and think about that. In the moment we think,
Speaker 4: you know, we're surviving and we're protecting them, but they
Speaker 4: feel all your feelings. They go through all of this
Speaker 4: and they have to deal with things in public too,
Speaker 4: and so it's nice they're looking.
Speaker 2: They're looking for advice, they're looking for advice, they're looking
Speaker 2: for guidance, and if you can give even a little
Speaker 2: bit of that from a good life lived on that
Speaker 2: it matters a lot of them. And to be open
Speaker 2: and authentic and honest is very important. I think I've
Speaker 2: just ambled along and found my way. I think that
Speaker 2: that's that's something that again, if you're if you're alert,
Speaker 2: you can navigate very nicely through through change. And one
Speaker 2: of my models is when you're through changing, you're through.
Speaker 2: So it's uh, it's extremely important for me to keep
Speaker 2: change happening and whatever I can do. The next cover
Speaker 2: will be in a bikini. When I saw when I
Speaker 2: saw those girls and in the last showver these they
Speaker 2: look pretty good and I couldn't look her out like
Speaker 2: that race is too fat.
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh gosh. I just think you have to.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone has their own way, and I feel
Speaker 4: like they've taken a very unorthodox route to get to
Speaker 4: this point, and it was just my way. It wasn't
Speaker 4: people ask me for advice Sometimes I think, well, don't
Speaker 4: ask me for advice, but.
Speaker 3: You'll find your way.
Speaker 4: And I think that when you're like with in MyDD,
Speaker 4: I think you're a pioneer. So I mean you had
Speaker 4: you there was no other way but yours, and I
Speaker 4: think that's really an exciting, romantic way to live. And
Speaker 4: living in the mystery and being okay with that. That's
Speaker 4: kind of where I'm at these days. Ically said, but
Speaker 4: I'm now I'm looking at things because i want to
Speaker 4: be challenged. I'm very drawn to a musical element. After
Speaker 4: playing Rocks in Chicago on Broadway and working with a
Speaker 4: lot of musicians and vocalization a lot of things, I
Speaker 4: kind of think there's a musical.
Speaker 3: Element that I want to explore.
Speaker 4: You never know, I mean in film and in on theater,
Speaker 4: not like a recording artist or anything.
Speaker 3: Just something, something that's really going to challenge me. I
Speaker 3: want to know what I'm made of.
Speaker 4: I feel like I just scratched the surface. It's been
Speaker 4: an interesting four months. I never thought that the movie
Speaker 4: would be getting this much attention and awards, conversations and
Speaker 4: things like that. So I've been just doing what I'm
Speaker 4: told and it's all been kind of a blur. But
Speaker 4: I'm excited to be on this end of it because
Speaker 4: I'm ready to get into the next thing.
Speaker 2: I'm just so happy to have made your equations problem.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so happy. I mean, this is exciting.
Speaker 4: I remember this is I thought it was a long shot,
Speaker 4: and so I'm so happy that says.
Speaker 3: You would do this. So I can't wait to meet you.
Speaker 3: And if I get out to the East Coast, we
Speaker 3: might be neighbors.
Speaker 2: You never know.