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Speaker 1: I love Game.

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Speaker 2: It presents conversations with a legend, best of show.

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Speaker 3: And now here's LeVar arringte.

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Speaker 4: It's up on Game Presents conversations with a legend.

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Speaker 3: And I got my man it's a myth.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he is the legendary Simeon Rice Man, appreciate.

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Speaker 3: You coming in stop it by giving a little bit

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Speaker 3: of time. Good brother.

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Speaker 2: I had to my my my fellow, big Kim bro Stag,

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Speaker 2: why you know, indeed why not?

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Speaker 4: This this podcast is not about talking about the football

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Speaker 4: aspects of things. This is more so about where where

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Speaker 4: you are in life, the things that you're doing to

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Speaker 4: bring attention to lessons that you operate under based upon

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Speaker 4: you know, when we were coming up upon when we

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Speaker 4: played and and that's what up on Game presents is

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Speaker 4: with conversations with a legend.

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Speaker 3: So let's start right here.

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Speaker 4: Know you're from Chicago, ended up playing your ball, born

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Speaker 4: and raised.

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Speaker 3: I know you played your ball at Illinois.

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Speaker 4: Is a fighting at LINI man, one of the dopest

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Speaker 4: defenses you know, with Dana Howard, yourself, cav.

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Speaker 3: Hardy, I mean just a who's who, a litter.

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Speaker 4: Of just a flunk of just dope football players that

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Speaker 4: that level of accomplishment and expectation. How did that play

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Speaker 4: a part in your career to start off with, Like,

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Speaker 4: because Chicago people know, Chicago hard knows. So how did

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Speaker 4: that play into your mindset and just how that that

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Speaker 4: led into you know, your college as well as.

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Speaker 3: Your pro career.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you say that, I like answer specific question.

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Speaker 3: Sure, how far from Illinois did you grow up?

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Speaker 1: Well? Three hours?

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Speaker 3: Three hours?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, it was it was It was

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Speaker 1: fun and I never wanted to go to Illinois.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to go to I wanted to go to

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Actually I wanted to go to Florida, State

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Speaker 2: of Michigan, but they didn't recruit me. So wow, then

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Speaker 2: I wanted to play Michigan. Yeah, so that's how that happened,

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Speaker 2: and I was a running back. You know, so a

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Speaker 2: lot of things that kind of like transformed itself. But

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Speaker 2: I would say more of the transformative years with me

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Speaker 2: growing up in football was a lot of the things

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Speaker 2: that I took from off the block, the neighborhood, the community.

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is like I grew

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Speaker 2: up around vice lords and Mickey Kobras. So when you

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Speaker 2: go into these when I went to Moncomba High School.

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Speaker 2: Donovan mcnabby, he was our quarterback, young quarterback. Yeah, d

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Speaker 2: he was our quarterback, but he was a second stream

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Speaker 2: to my high school as well. Him and Donovanue same

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Speaker 2: high school. Basketball all that. So with me coming out early,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I was I was a little bit older.

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Speaker 2: I was like two years older than them, two three

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Speaker 2: years older than them actually, and me going to my

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Speaker 1: Start because I went there. I was recruiting. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: I went there with the president of mind of playing

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Speaker 2: running back. I wanted to be just like Peyton. Peyton

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Speaker 2: was my guy. You know, everything Peyton did I did,

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Speaker 2: you know, the workouts, you know, and you know we

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Speaker 2: But I loved football. I mean I loved it. My

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Speaker 2: You know ac Clarence Ross, you know, he was he.

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Speaker 2: So he turned me on to that game, but I

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Speaker 2: really didn't like it. I love football, and again I

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Speaker 2: When they moved me to d defense, it broke my

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Speaker 2: And then when I went started playing football, I think

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter, I'm taking on comings. Because when I first

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Speaker 1: I was going to play and things like that. So

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Speaker 2: So I had a legendary coach, Frank Lenny, and I

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Speaker 2: It was more reflective of your family, the name on

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Speaker 2: was ingreatiated with that early so much in life that

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Speaker 2: and it was all about representing your family and yourself

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Speaker 2: and God and everything else that was made.

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Speaker 1: I never did. Early on, we were going.

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Speaker 2: To play the games, and this is like my junior

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Speaker 1: Never forget going prior before the game either started.

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Speaker 2: We'll have our our in our we have our our

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Speaker 1: And guys be in that meeting.

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Speaker 2: Crying and I'm in the back room and I'm laughing

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Speaker 2: because I didn't get it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is just a game, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Everybody crying and then you know, you guys

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Speaker 1: My father just died. This is for him. I came

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Speaker 1: out of this situation. This is for this situation.

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Speaker 2: They was dedicating all these these moments that they were

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Speaker 2: and they it was so much that they.

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Speaker 1: Brought it on the film. We blasted everybody.

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Speaker 2: We play East Saint Loui was one of the best

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Speaker 2: football is a mindset. That's what I learned out of

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Speaker 1: That I kind of wanted to go to. UH, I

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Speaker 1: It was Snellenberger was the coach. I never forget. I

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Speaker 3: Was like yeah, I was like what he what height

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Speaker 1: I was six fol I was like yeah. Then then

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Speaker 1: then I went to Boston College.

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Speaker 2: Went to visit Boston College and UH, coach's coach your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was oh, Coughlin coach, Coughlin coach.

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Speaker 1: And so when I went on campus, I went but wow,

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Speaker 1: So when I went on campus, I get the campus.

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Speaker 2: I hooked up with this little chick coach Coughlin coaching

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he came in. They set me down.

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Speaker 2: They was like, when you come here, you're gonna definitely

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Speaker 2: red shirt that. And I was like, yes, I won't

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Speaker 2: And on my visit there was a guy named Mickey Johnson,

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Speaker 1: It's like, what are you coming here? Now? I was

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Speaker 2: I was like, all right, but I didn't think, you

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Speaker 2: know nothing. I didn't know what red shirt mean.

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was dope.

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Speaker 2: I wanted a red shirt. But then you know, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now.

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Speaker 4: Again, you you've been I mean, obviously I don't even

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Speaker 3: Ye. Yeah, how I mean how does that? How did

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Speaker 3: how does that work for you?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: How how how was that for you?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question, Bro, because it's interesting because looking back,

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Speaker 2: and for the history of Illinois football, you know, we

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Speaker 1: And when we.

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Speaker 2: Came off the field, the third team defense gave up

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Speaker 2: So for me and mine is in football. I was

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Speaker 1: Been in there. So there's a factor for this. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from Illinois, going to Illinois and we're

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Speaker 2: going into prominence there. And and keep in mind, I

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Speaker 2: was looking at when I when I left, I was

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Speaker 2: looking back at you, like, Yo, what's the man you

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Speaker 2: played with?

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Speaker 3: Courtney Lebrown?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yo, y'all with him raises Bro, And I like

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Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm here so much. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back to me, But I'm here so

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Speaker 1: much about in the ten because y'all beat us, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean when we were doing that thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, y'all were supposed to win. We came back

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Speaker 4: on y'all. I wasn't there yet, but I was game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So looking back though, I'm like, all right, Penn State

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Speaker 2: was always a throwing in my hell, you know what

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Speaker 2: i mean. And then I'm hearing about this kid that's

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Speaker 2: wrecking shop and they liked.

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Speaker 1: Me just like you because I'm like, let me go

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Speaker 1: back and look at this kid. They'll see you freak

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Speaker 1: over the line, you know, if you're a really great

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Speaker 1: pass rushing, if you like past rushing, you like athletic

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Speaker 1: type beep of the player. I mean, you were it.

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Speaker 1: That was. That was But y'all set the town You

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Speaker 1: cal hardy, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Y'all set the towne Yeah, y'all set the tone.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about how it all kind of.

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Speaker 3: Come full circle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't watching Illinois. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: I wasn't when I left I'm not one of those

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Speaker 2: alumni like, oh, I got.

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Speaker 1: To watch the school.

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Speaker 1: People want to meet with you.

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Speaker 1: to HBO, you know, and I met with Doug Allen.

442
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 2: First of all, I met with his I met with

443
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 2: another guy, Brian Shearan, And this dude was so egotistical.

444
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 2: So he was like an ego mania. I'm in Hollywood, bro,

445
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 2: you lived there, you know what I we ain't consume you,

446
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: all right, the sushi restaurant. So the meeting was set.

447
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 1: Up by my PR guy and they represent him as well.

448
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 2: And when I got there, I sat down at the

449
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: table and I'm talking about this dude big timing on

450
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: another level.

451
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: Wow, like super big timing. But I was so taken

452
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: back that I found it entertaining, you know what I mean.

453
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: So he was doing he was doing two stories. He

454
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 1: was doing the story on Plexico, you know, coming out

455
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: to the present, and he was.

456
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: Doing the story I think it was with uh BT

457
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: with Michael Vick.

458
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: So these are two.

459
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: Controversial is my guy, you know what I mean?

460
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: First of all, but it's controversy. So I'm telling him

461
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do and film, and it was like,

462
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: you like all these other athletes that want to be

463
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, and this that.

464
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: And he's very dismissive. I'm sitting down. He's being super dismissive,

465
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here like I ain't never had a

466
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: little dude like this disrespect me this, yeah, and I'm

467
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: super bad and I'm laughing, athlete.

468
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 3: I hate that. I hate what dude saying.

469
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: He did that you. So he's first you start talking

470
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: about Plexico and how he started hisself and how he

471
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: worked with Flex doing this documentary about this whatever TV

472
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: show that Pat Flex had going on. So I'm sitting

473
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: here like okay. And then he started talking about Vig

474
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, I'm doing this thing with

475
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: be Et with Michael Vick and so his getting his

476
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: start rising back to coming out of jail and this

477
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: and that. I said, well, listen, bro, I ain't you know,

478
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: I ain't never been in trouble with the law. You know.

479
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm hitting him with that, like I'm just trying to direct.

480
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: And then he's like, so what are you gonna do?

481
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: I said, I got this story, I got this store.

482
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pulling off off off my bag.

483
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: All the stories you've written, treatments that I've written. He's like,

484
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't listen. I'm

485
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: not gonna work with you.

486
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, man, I was like man,

487
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: and then I'm laughing, but I'm serious. I'm like, man,

488
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: you're mad, disrespectful bro.

489
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: He goes on. The dude was crazy, disrespectful. You guys

490
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing. You don't he talking about me.

491
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Then he personally started with you guys as a blank slate, abstract.

492
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Then he went to me like, you know, you just

493
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: want to be this and he don't know me. We

494
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: just meeting each other.

495
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: So I let him go on and on, you know,

496
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: and and and and.

497
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: Then I couldn't take it. My mom, And keep in mind,

498
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: we got Denzel and we have the governor there at

499
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: the time.

500
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: Arnold Swarzenegger. He was in the restaurant.

501
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: This dude talked so crazy to me. I damned near

502
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: flipped the table over on them and I stood up.

503
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: At this point, I don't give a fuck. I don't care,

504
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't live there, and

505
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: this ain't my world, you know what I mean. And

506
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm only.

507
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: Here to get game.

508
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: And they shaid, you was a good dude, but you mad, disrespectful,

509
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: so fuck you.

510
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm up on my feet. I'm like, man,

511
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: who the fuck you disrespecting this and that? And then

512
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: he like, you know in the restaurant, the little waitress

513
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: go away. I'm mad him. Now I'm like, bro, I

514
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: just showed you nothing but respect. You disrespected me for

515
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. I found it.

516
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: I was laughing at it at first because I wanted

517
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: to see how far you was going to go, you

518
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I don't give a fuck,

519
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 2: you know. Then you know now all the all the

520
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: ship that has been born to me since I've been a.

521
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Little kid like talk like that, yeah, because I'm like, bro,

522
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about none of this ship.

523
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: Now you know this, this atmosphere is way too different.

524
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 4: Because people say you gotta be submissive for people to

525
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: want to deal with you, and in Hollywood, like it's

526
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: like this whole thing.

527
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about submissive, but I mean

528
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: maybe really yeah, bro, submissive like.

529
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: Submissive like take take the way I'm talking to you, like,

530
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 4: enjoy it, Sime.

531
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: And listen, bro, this is this is this ain't cocaine

532
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: in my bag. This is a script listen. You know

533
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. This is business. Business is respects. I'm

534
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this, and you're gonna buy it for

535
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: whatever the cost is. You know what I mean? You

536
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: want to do business with me? Yes or no? You

537
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: know that's it? Don't You don't have to be disrespectful,

538
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

539
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: Like, he already had a preconceived notion of what it.

540
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: Was he did. So what happened all the fellas when

541
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: I went off? He's like, listen, listen, calm down, and

542
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He started apologize, and I'm like,

543
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: all right, Bro, I didn't come in. I'm like, Bro,

544
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: we represented by the same person. I didn't come in.

545
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: I didn't disrespect you, you know what I mean. I

546
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: could have you small in stature, I could probably, I know,

547
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: I could beat your ass. But I talk to you

548
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: like that, I'm not. I don't talk to people like that,

549
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm sure I'm you

550
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: know this is what it is. So he's like, how

551
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: about if I do your favor, I can He's like,

552
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: I have a roommate from college.

553
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: You know who Doug Allen is. I'm like, no, he's

554
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: gonna know who Doug. I don't know because I didn't

555
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: watch Entourage at the time. And then I was like, okay,

556
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: let me do my own, you know, and he's like,

557
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: he's the executive producer of Aunthroorage.

558
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh damn. So he's like, I'm gonna meet

559
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you him, and I'm gonna and he

560
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: coming at the table and he's like, yo, I'm with me.

561
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh damn, just do something cool.

562
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: And then he's like, take my number and give me

563
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: a call. So I was like, damn, all right. He's like,

564
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: don't say I've never done anything for you. I'm all right.

565
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: He's like, but I don't want anything to do with it.

566
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: I said, that's what he told me. I don't want

567
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: anything to.

568
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: Do with the project. Bro.

569
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: So I talked to me and my partner. We're talking phone,

570
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: a producer partner. We rolled together.

571
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I got meeting with Doug. He know everything.

572
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: He live in Hollywood, he's working a producer out there.

573
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: What student. He's like, sim we gotta do this. I'm

574
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: We're like, I'm like, bro, how should we drive up

575
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: to the set?

576
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: He said, here's the final shooting of entourage. So we're

577
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: going to like the party the final week.

578
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: So I'm like, how should we drive up? Should we

579
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: drive up in the Ferrari? Should we drive you know

580
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because you gotta make presentations to these show, you.

581
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

582
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: Like this? So what's driver? What's coming on with flask good?

583
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: He comes to drive up meet When.

584
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: I first I called him and I was hesitant to

585
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: call him because of the guy met with.

586
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, bro, these dudes be way disrespectful,

587
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not in the business.

588
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: He got away with that. I'm not disrespect you know

589
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like on no level. So I'm like,

590
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's like, just give him a call,

591
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: give them call. So I give him a call. And

592
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the dude was the nicest dude ever.

593
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: He was He was going to his son's baseball game

594
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: and like, I'm just giving you Like he was annoyed.

595
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, don't go to my son's baseball game.

596
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: I wish he was here with you. Go. I'm like,

597
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: damn this do something cool as hell, And he was like, yeah,

598
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: it's the final shot, won't you come down. I'm like, really, yeah,

599
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: just come down. Let us know when you want to

600
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: come down. You know we're shooting, we're going to be

601
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: wrapping up the show, but it'd be cool for you

602
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: to meet the you know, meet the cash and everything.

603
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool. So I get off the phone.

604
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, do jump in the car Da Ferrari,

605
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: get picked up my man. We go down to the

606
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: set and then I'm still he like, man, I don't know,

607
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, Hollywood weird. They'd be like, let's do lunch

608
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: and never tell me. So I get there and keep

609
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: in mind talking to him prior, and he was like,

610
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: everything set for you. So we drive up.

611
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: I'm still leary, and then the person let you in

612
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: the gates. He was like, yeah, you're on you know,

613
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 2: the guest list, all that down. Then I went when

614
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: we got to set, I went and set with all

615
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: the extras just because I'm like, I don't know where

616
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: to sit.

617
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then but he was like, yo,

618
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: waven like come over here. I sat in a director's

619
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: chair and he's like, look at this. Tell me what

620
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: you think. I'm like, he's mad. Cool, So he goes,

621
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: what do you got for me? I was like, Yo,

622
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: I got it.

623
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: I wrote this thing called Real Life Entourages and Super Celebrities.

624
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: It was a it was like a playoff Entourage.

625
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: But it was like reality. And he's like, I don't

626
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: want to do reality. I'm like, oh, that's He's like,

627
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: what else you got? And I show him another show.

628
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: A little Heartwood and looked at it. And then the

629
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: kid that plays Turtle on the set came over and

630
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: he's like, wow, what's this. He's like Redfield, I was like,

631
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: you wrote this. I'm like yeah. He's like, this is

632
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: this is He tells him. He's like, yo, come here.

633
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Kid comes over, reads it. He's like he's like, this

634
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: is my next show, and then he left his set.

635
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes later, he said he reads it. Fifteen minutes

636
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: he leaves, and it's like, yo, I'm gonna call you

637
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: in a day.

638
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: Or two you and see if HBO wants to buy it.

639
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, some my boy with me.

640
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: We're sitting here and we're.

641
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: Like freaking it was that easy, you know what I mean?

642
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: Like we and we wrote it that night, like he

643
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: was like, just write it. Let's write something else in

644
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: case he doesn't like this I'm like, he's gonna like this,

645
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: and he's.

646
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: Like, what's just right?

647
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: So he wrote it that night. That took us about

648
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes to write, you know what I mean.

649
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: But we made it Laminade. We made it look like

650
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: a real university. It was like it was about five

651
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: young men that went to a like a like a

652
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: what do you call not not a high major, a

653
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: mid major and they blow up and they in Kansas

654
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: and all this and they become like the man and

655
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, stimulate all of that. So he calls me

656
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: a week later and I was like, Yo, HBO is going

657
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: to buy it. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, we

658
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: sold something, we sow the thought right, intellectual property.

659
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Thought yeah. I was like, yo, this this is something

660
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: to this, you know what I mean?

661
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: And then they then he called me six months later

662
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: it was like they.

663
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: Just hired Spike Lee to be the show runner.

664
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Speaker 3: Huh.

665
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I was like, I wasn't excited about

666
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: that because it was I didn't want it to be.

667
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: It was gonna be cultural in college, but I didn't

668
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: want it to be.

669
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Speaker 1: That, you know what I'm saying. I didn't want it

670
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: to take on this like.

671
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Civil justice thing, your social justice thing. I just wanted

672
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 2: to be a fun story about kids in college. I

673
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: was like, ah, man, this is gonna be I'm not.

674
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: He's like, you don't sound happy. I'm like, man, and

675
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: he's like, they're not gonna let you show run it

676
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: to me. Never show you haven't you haven't done it.

677
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, but I know how this thing actually supposed

678
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: to matter effect. So they bought it and he became

679
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: a showrunner and that was it, you know what I mean.

680
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: But from there I.

681
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: Was like, yo, we could do other things. So now

682
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm picturing a movie. And they liked the movie.

683
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I met with all these these officionados like we like

684
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: this script. We love the script, but we want to

685
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna cast it as you know, a white.

686
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: And I'm like, now she gotta be black because I

687
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: wanted a fish out of water concept. I was like, yo,

688
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: and I got full little sisters, and I'm like, they

689
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: need a hero type character. And I feel like this

690
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: is the hero type character for something, and put you

691
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: in a role that most like girls.

692
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Wouldn't ever have, you know, being like the soul's hero

693
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: survivor of their own story.

694
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with anything urban, and I

695
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: wanted to put a girl that was a former track female.

696
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: And a situation where she had to think her way

697
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: out of and solve a problem with their life, like

698
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: a coming of age story as well as being a

699
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: thriller and suspense story all in one.

700
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: So you get it done, it's bought. What was the

701
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 3: end result?

702
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: So like again, I'm meeting with these Hollywood execs.

703
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: They like it and I'm like, yo, what's up? And

704
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like, you know it's being green lit, but it's

705
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna be We're gonna change it. And I said listen

706
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: and they were like, you're not gonna direct it.

707
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, I could. This is why I'm

708
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: with the film school. Like you think I'm gonna write it.

709
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: Now you like the writing, you're not gonna let me

710
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: direct it. I was like, I'm gonna do it myself,

711
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So when I did it myself,

712
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: they like, they liked it. And I'm gonna just say

713
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: that because I ain't gonna put them out there because

714
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: who knows, I might either use a cant but they

715
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: were like, yo, we want to reshoot it.

716
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: With a different cast and I'm like, nah, I'm gonna

717
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: put it out myself that you're never gonna get this

718
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: thing in theaters. I was like, I get this, and

719
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: I got into two hundred and sixty eight theaters.

720
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: I didn't do well.

721
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: I wish I would have went that route. I shouldn't

722
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: want that, But you didn't want the ego route.

723
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know.

724
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah I should just.

725
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: That's what that's what we do. The lessons are in

726
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: our doing.

727
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: Some people get their lessons by somebody telling them.

728
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: People like us, we get our lessons by doing it.

729
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I can't tell resistance to it. Yeah, there's

730
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: so much resistance to tell me what I couldn't do that.

731
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, and it's not about proving them wrong. I

732
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: was like, let me prove myself right. You know, the

733
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: highest level of actuality isn't about thinking about anybody else.

734
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: It's not about it. You know, when we were younger,

735
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: when I was younger playing football, I want to prove this,

736
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: prove this, proved that.

737
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's not doubt. It's just about proving yourself right.

738
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: This thing is this thing is about self. This is

739
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: a self walk we got in this life and the

740
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: highest level of you know, is self actualality, So you're

741
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: not thinking about anybody.

742
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: Else in the first place.

743
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: Let me get this off you for this would be

744
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: my last question to you, because this is this is

745
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 4: a super important one because I always want to have

746
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 4: in the records with legends this this answer for for

747
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: a perfect time, in a perfect place. What on your

748
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: on your final moments or you cease to exist anymore,

749
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: what do you want people to say about Simi and

750
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: Rice at that point?

751
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: What do you want your lasting legacy to be?

752
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: M m h.

753
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: I think it's simple, just that I was a good person,

754
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I want I want those

755
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: that expand me to have that. Those outside of my

756
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: my spirit, I don't really I don't. I don't care.

757
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how to care, you know. But within

758
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: my spirit, within the people my circle, I want those

759
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: to understand that he loved deeply, He lived with a passion,

760
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: like Simeon, Like there lives a man that lived with passion,

761
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

762
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: So when I lie there and my.

763
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: Resting place and my body is there, but my mind,

764
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: my soul is free, you'll know that was a person

765
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: that showed other people how to live with passion.

766
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: You know that's it, do ye, Simian race y'all.

767
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: Maker, he's the officionado, all right, I mean, he's the mogul.

768
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just, you know, I'm in awe of

769
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: the conversation. I think that these are our conversations, that

770
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: are our guys need to hear.

771
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: You.

772
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: You put your mind to it, you go do it.

773
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: You put your mind to it, you go do it.

774
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: Like the premise of your story, like you're telling all

775
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: of these details, but do you realize you had to

776
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: get up and start the journey to experience all of

777
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 4: the things you just told us. And that is so powerful.

778
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: It's so powerful. There's so many of us that just

779
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: talk about it. I want to be a filmmaker. Still

780
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 4: sitting there, I want to go. I want to go

781
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: do this, still sitting there, to get up and do it.

782
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: This is what this is all about, is to drive

783
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: home the message. Simmey and Rice wanted to be a filmmaker.

784
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 4: He didn't take the easy way out and leverage being

785
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: a football superstar.

786
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: He went to school. He did it.

787
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: He got the cameras, they wrote the scripts, They did it.

788
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: That's the key. You gotta do it.

789
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: It ultimately comes down to when loser draw, there's always

790
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: going to be a win even in.

791
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: A failure if you just do it. And that's just

792
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: kind of what it is.

793
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: If you have a successful mind. I would say that

794
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: if you have a successful mind in.

795
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Terms of what you were talking about, like your growth stock,

796
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: if you know who.

797
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: You are, like you're a football player growing up. We

798
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: all football player at one point. We both work and

799
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: you you've risen to a level. You have to have

800
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: a relapsing moment and remember how you got there. You know,

801
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: you gotta remember, Like, wait a minute, I remember how

802
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: I got here.

803
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: It was I was willing to sweep the floor.

804
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: That's right.

805
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 1: In order for me to cook the food, I gotta

806
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: be one to sweep the floors in my own restaurant.

807
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: I can't be bigger than the moment, you know what

808
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean.

809
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 4: Indeed, Simon Rice, this is my conversations with a legend

810
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: man up on game presents.

811
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: Ah Man, y'all been blessed with hey Man all the way.

812
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: Real man, I appreciate you taking some time out for

813
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: us