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Speaker 1: It is a midweek Wednesday. Hey tell me this is

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Speaker 1: a slow week. It doesn't feel like it. We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. We are live, We're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's The Herd, Jmac Major League Baseball. I know on

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Speaker 1: these shows, nobody likes anybody in power. They don't like.

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Speaker 1: They don't like people in Canada. If you're the prime minister,

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Speaker 1: everybody's devisive. Nobody likes commissioners, but Rob Manfred Baseball has

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Speaker 1: been a case study in how to pivot in a

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Speaker 1: business that's got tradition and lore and history and a

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Speaker 1: lot of purists. Last night was three and a half

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Speaker 1: hours of great television for an exhibition. It was really good?

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Speaker 1: Was that not fun? That was as good as all? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean the Pro Bowls unwatchable, NBA All Star Games unwatchable.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna sound like a Homer. But the

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Speaker 1: Fox production on that broadcast last night was magnificent, a

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Speaker 1: masterclass in TV production. Between that the ABS system, lots

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Speaker 1: of runs. Let's talk about it because major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago got over itself and decided

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Speaker 1: let's lean into entertainment. They didn't need to revolutionize. They

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Speaker 1: just kind of needed to retro fit. What the twenty

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Speaker 1: they want to watch? Home run derby ratings up last night?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure ratings will be significantly up. Miking Clayton Kershaw

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Speaker 1: a legend? Are Sandy Kofax? Miking him? I could have

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Speaker 1: sat and watched that for an hour. Here's a clip.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you're doing this, Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Okay, e there, let's try to throw some cheese real quick.

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Speaker 3: Hold on.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Going cheese again?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's smart. I mean you and Paul Skeens

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Speaker 1: are pretty much the same guy right down the middle.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you didn't swing.

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Speaker 1: What do you want, smoltzy?

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Speaker 2: What do you want?

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Speaker 4: Cut her in? Slider in?

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Speaker 2: I don't throw a cutter smelty slider, son of them?

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Speaker 1: All right, what's the count too too, so weird.

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Speaker 4: Talking to you guys.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of hey, sit him.

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Speaker 4: That was fun.

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Speaker 1: That was fun.

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Speaker 1: I kind of just sat and watched that. That's fascinating,

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Speaker 1: an inside glimpse, lean into entertainment, lean into technology. Now

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Speaker 1: some of baseball's growth, it's because Aaron Judge plays for

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Speaker 1: the Yankees, no tany plays for the Dodgers, and the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers have might as well have a Nationalague All Star team,

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Speaker 1: but they're stars in Kansas City and stars in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: and the sport just stop fawning over tradition and stop

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Speaker 1: taking itself so seriously and also wearing the real jerseys

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Speaker 1: for casuals and purists alike. That last two years have

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Speaker 1: been amazing by this sport. And so the National League

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Speaker 1: But they had a big six inning, a couple of

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Speaker 1: the Sacramento A's Brent Rooker, let's hear it, wait to

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Speaker 1: Didn't need to revolutionize the sport, speed it up, retro

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Speaker 1: That's the best All Star game in any sport I've

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Speaker 1: But now, and you know, listen, some of it is

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Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt that Joe Davis sounds like a young

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Speaker 1: Vin Scully. It just felt magnificent. It felt big, and

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Speaker 1: baseball has been in about a three year heater. Two

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Speaker 1: things can be true. You can respect tradition but not

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Speaker 1: be beholden to it. And that's what baseball has done

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Speaker 1: a very good job of. And last night fantastic, just

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Speaker 1: fantastic television. Beginning to end. I watched an hour and

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Speaker 1: was into it. Okay, so I said yesterday this. You

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Speaker 1: know it's July. So any little breadcrumb of an NBA

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Speaker 1: or star rumor, it's an inferno. I don't buy Lebron

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Speaker 1: James is going to get traded. He's still really good.

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Speaker 1: It's an expiring contract. Let's see what happens to the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline. The Lakers could have even more leverage. But

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the betting odds today and they are

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Speaker 1: heating up that Dallas. Dallas is the favorite now to

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Speaker 1: get Lebron James. Well, if that's the case, Lebron wins again.

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Speaker 1: No state tax, upgraded coach Cooper flag reunited with Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Let's be honest about the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I think JJ Reddick had a decent first year. I

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Speaker 1: like him. We don't know if he's ever going to

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Speaker 1: be as good as Jason Kidd. Maybe not. He got

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves, I'm told, can't trade him seriously, not much

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd unbelievable size, including a D. I mean I

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Speaker 1: said this, yet you have Luca. But here's a potential lineup. Now,

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Speaker 1: for simplicity's sake, I said, if you did a trade,

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks lineup, Kyrie Irving, Cooper Flag, Lebron, Anthony Davis,

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Speaker 1: great big on rookie deals for years. So you're telling

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Speaker 1: me this is a punishment for Lebron. I would sign

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Speaker 1: up for that today. Better coach reunited with two guys

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Speaker 1: I've played very well with and won a title with

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Speaker 1: Kyrie and Anthony Davis and the great domestic star. And

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Speaker 1: here's the thing with Lebron. Lebron is forty one years old.

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Speaker 1: He does not want to be in the floor defending

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Speaker 1: at an elite level. He doesn't well Anthony Davis and

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag is going to be a great offensive player

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Speaker 1: punishment for Lebron James, sign up now for it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen. Here was Anthony Slater from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic on a potential Lebron trade out of LA.

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Speaker 6: The Lakers, you know, can go search for, you know,

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Speaker 6: a younger co star for Luka Doncics in the in

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Speaker 6: the market if they want to. Flexibility optionality has become

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Speaker 6: a popular term in the league, and that's clearly what

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Speaker 6: the Lakers they are prioritizing here. And it's understandable. Just

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Speaker 6: look at the ages.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: Lebron's gonna turn forty one next year. It's unbelievable what

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Speaker 7: But as you.

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Speaker 6: Mentioned, locking into longer term money on him, you know,

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Speaker 6: kind of handcuffed them a little bit on building around Luca.

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Speaker 1: Listen, if if Lebron won a fourth title and that

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Speaker 1: team with Anthony Davis, if you can keep Lively in

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Speaker 1: get they have so much depth in Dallas in their

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Speaker 1: front line. They're huge, best center rotation in the league.

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Speaker 1: be over him by like January fifteenth. You're going to

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Speaker 1: that's what the new owners want. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: to give up Klay Thompson. He could come back to

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Michael Thompson, his dad, a very nice guy,

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Speaker 1: played for the Lakers. Send him draft picks size. But

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Speaker 1: if that's punishment, I said this. You know, sports is

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Speaker 1: a little like the stock market. It just depends on

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Speaker 1: the day. The tariffs are going to ruin the economy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I looked at the stock market this week.

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Speaker 1: It's at forty four thousand plus the Dow. It just

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Speaker 1: When this trade got done, Luca to the Lakers, it

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Speaker 1: was the end of the Mavericks franchise. And I said,

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Speaker 1: on this show in front of this microphone, no it's not. Now.

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Speaker 1: Dallas fell apart physically, so it looked far worse than

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Speaker 1: it was. But Laker fans got a glimpse of what

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Speaker 1: Luca is singularly, a profoundly gifted offensive player, that's what

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Speaker 1: he is. And he kind of feels like he's aging quickly.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I've always said that you can talk

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Speaker 1: you pay close attention. Everybody said Lakers are going to

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Speaker 1: win titles and Dallas is done, and I kept saying, no,

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Speaker 1: they're not. They've got a great coach, it's an attractive place.

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Speaker 1: They got Kyrie, they've got Anthony Davis and a man

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Speaker 1: center rotation. And in the NBA, guards and bigs are

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Speaker 1: really important. Right now. You know, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: defend Jokic, gonna have to defend Wemby, you gotta defend Giannis.

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Speaker 1: You know you gotta have bigs. Okay, see, you won

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Speaker 1: a title, had two Bigs, Holmgren, Hartenstein. So this is

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Speaker 1: just so funny. The way sports works is everybody thought

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Speaker 1: Dallas was doomed. If this thing came to fruition, sign

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Speaker 1: me up for Dallas minimum Western Conference finals. J Mac

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear it. I'm becoming a Mavericks fan.

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Speaker 1: My only question is would the GM Nico Harrison want

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Speaker 1: to make another deal. I would do that deal in

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Speaker 1: one second. I'd give you two bigs, three first round picks,

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Speaker 1: Klay Thompson, put in a third team and every I've

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Speaker 1: said this before, Austin Reeves with Lebron James, you're talking

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You know, for years and years I always said,

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Speaker 9: So this year, I am going with the New York Yankees,

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Speaker 1: Well, they're on it, They're on fire. You know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate this take for Moss. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hills an all time great receivers.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: This shouldn't be controversial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's controversial at all. I think

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Speaker 1: I think Randy Moss is arguably, with Jerry Rice, the

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Speaker 1: greatest receiver of all time. I still think Calvin Johnson

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Speaker 1: was insane, although Larry Fitzgerald, there's a lot I think

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Speaker 1: I could name. Fifth. I grew up with Steve Largent.

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Speaker 1: He's still one of my top ten favorites of all

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Speaker 1: the time, above Tyreek Hill. But Tyreek Hill is he's electric,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't qualify as anything more than electric. It's

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Speaker 1: like saying, when I grew up, there was a baseball

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Speaker 1: player named Dave Kingman.

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Speaker 10: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Kingman played for the back He was a home run guy.

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Speaker 1: Was he a great fielder? Was he a great No?

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Speaker 1: Dave Kingman hit home runs like Adam Dunn hit bombs.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill delivers bomb. He is the over the But

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Speaker 1: in the end of the day, to be great, you

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Speaker 1: have to provide more than that. And I and I

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Speaker 1: think there's there's times I always thought going to Miami,

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Speaker 1: I thought people overvalued his importance in Kansas City. I

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Speaker 1: remember when he left. I'm like, Kansas City's gonna do fine.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do fine. I think he's a great player,

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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't I wouldn't have him near the top

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Speaker 1: ten all time.

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Speaker 2: We can, and I think currently is he top five?

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Speaker 2: We'll do that later in the show because another list

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Speaker 2: came out about current receivers. Ye listen, kill we could

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Speaker 2: throw it to you in space, and he's a major problem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here here's a prime example of I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the list is, the top five list, but

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a guy. I love amer On Saint Brown.

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Speaker 2: He's he's on the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, he was a fourth round pick. But I

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Speaker 1: love first of all, smart kid route tree, willing to

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Speaker 1: block even though he's kind of small, great on third down.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if he fills into a top five.

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me if I'm a quarterback who is

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Speaker 1: a rel a ball hands guy with great routes, I

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Speaker 1: think Puka Naku is a top five guy. I think

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Speaker 1: Oman Oh, I think he's really good. When you when

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Speaker 1: you walk into the NFL as a rookie and you're

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Speaker 1: that productive. That's different. It doesn't happen, Colin.

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Speaker 2: I think there's two guys who if you throw it

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Speaker 2: to them in space, they're a threat to take it

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Speaker 2: the distance.

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Speaker 1: Ever, JJ and Jefferson.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say Moss and Tyreek Hill. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he throw a bubble screen to Tyreek Hill, he could

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Speaker 2: take that the distance.

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Speaker 1: Rank Hill deal the speed, Colin, Yeah, but Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: is not is not nearly as good as Jamar Taes

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Speaker 1: or Justin Jefferson. Those those two guys are considered like

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Speaker 1: next level athletes. I would say for me and those

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Speaker 1: guys are great. I'm I'm an armor on Saint Brown guy.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a really really spat Terry mclaurin's another

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Speaker 1: guy that I think has not always played until last

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Speaker 1: year with great quarterbacks. Look how productive Terry mclaurin's been

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Speaker 1: with battle lines, inefficient coaching and average quarterback play. And

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Speaker 1: look how productive Terry mclaurin's been. If you put Terry

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Speaker 1: McLaurin with Matt Stafford when he broke in, what do

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Speaker 1: you think his numbers look like?

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Speaker 2: I should mention Garrett Wilson, but I'll save it for

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Speaker 2: the discussion later. All right, let's go to your favorite

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Speaker 2: division in football, because you're mister Chicago now and that's

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Speaker 2: the NFC North. However, Colin interesting note coming out of Detroit.

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Speaker 2: So Ben Johnson moves as the OC from Detroit to Chicago.

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Speaker 2: The new OC is starting to line up Jamiir Gibbs

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Speaker 2: on the outside this season. Here is Jamiir Gibbs talking

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Speaker 2: about this light change. A lot of stuff is the same,

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Speaker 2: but I got learn, you know, the informations for being

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Speaker 2: split out. I'm being split out, I guess like way

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Speaker 2: more than was the past two years.

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Speaker 1: So that's good.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 5: I'm no waiting on that.

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Speaker 1: He wants me to be, you know, more involved in it.

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Speaker 2: So that's what he plays on doing.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're doing that. They attacked the interior

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Speaker 1: O line in the draft. I wonder if they're doing

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Speaker 1: that because their center retired and they're feeling is the

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Speaker 1: interior OH line's going to have like rookies playing and

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Speaker 1: they're not going to be there's not going to be

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Speaker 1: as many openings and the interior runs. They're going to

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Speaker 1: move Gibbs outside because you're not going to replace that

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Speaker 1: center they lost. I think they drafted two or three

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Speaker 1: interior linemen this draft.

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Speaker 2: But they none of them were technically centers, like pure centers.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me when I the last time, you know,

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Speaker 2: I had run that website for a while and then

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Speaker 2: someone bought the website and then they were like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we want to do this. What do you want to do?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, guys, I've been running the site. We're

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Speaker 2: making money. I know what works. Our formula is crushing it.

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Speaker 2: And they were like, yeah, we want to change stuff.

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Speaker 2: So they fired me, they changed stuff, and they went

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Speaker 2: under in two years. The Detroit Lions formula in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years has been awesome. Okay under Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 2: If I'm the new guy, I do a lot of

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Speaker 2: what we've been doing. This idea that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Jamir kids dynamic back, let's move them on the outside. Colin.

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Speaker 2: I hear this stuff and I have a little bit

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Speaker 2: of pause that the new guy's trying to put his

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Speaker 2: stamp really on the Lions, and I get a little nervous.

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Speaker 2: I just hearing this, and again, maybe it's not a

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Speaker 2: ton of plays, but I don't love a lot of

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Speaker 2: change for this Detroit Lions offense. They're a machine the

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Speaker 2: last few years. What are you doing here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I yeah, I think coaches want their own stamp

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Speaker 1: on it. I've thought about that a lot, like I

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Speaker 1: if if so, I mean Ben Johnson the last two years,

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Speaker 1: he's been literally a talking point on this show, how

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Speaker 1: great schematically? So whatever the next guy is, he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be as profoundly gifted has Ben Johnson. He's not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he could be good, he could be successful.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be Ben Johnson like that, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: so when Kyle Shanahan left Atlanta and made Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: the MVP, whoever replaced Kyle Shannan could be good, they

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Speaker 1: were not gonna be Kyle Shanahan who turned Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: in the best quarterback in the league for a year.

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Speaker 1: So I just don't think they'll be as I don't

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Speaker 1: think they'll be as explosive offensively. I think I think

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Speaker 1: there's a small percentage of coaches that literally you watch

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Speaker 1: a game, And I always felt this about Brian Floores,

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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator with the Minnesota Vikings. I can watch

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Speaker 1: them play and I could guess, Oh, that's Brian Flores's

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Speaker 1: defense where I can see the imprint or the footprint

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Speaker 1: of a coach, a coordinator, and I think Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: has that, and I don't think it's replaceable. First in

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Speaker 1: the building, you have to go on a countrywide search.

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Speaker 2: To be clear. Gibbs on the outside against the safety,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be too fast. A linebacker, he's probably too fast,

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Speaker 2: like he's gonna be in matchup nightmare, which makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But again, I'm just I'm not in on the Lions

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Speaker 2: this year. And we had a gambler last week when

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Speaker 2: you were gone. Talk about the Detroit Lions under wind

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Speaker 2: total is getting hammered in Vegas. Just keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on that.

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Speaker 1: What is it.

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Speaker 2: It's been plummeting from like eleven and a half. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it'll get down to ten and a half.

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Speaker 2: But this is not going to be like a fourteen

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Speaker 2: to fifteen win team.

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Speaker 1: It's just no, no, it's not Jmack with a news Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the and thanks for stopping that.

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Speaker 4: The herd line news.

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Speaker 1: May Angelou once said, people show you who they are,

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Speaker 1: Believe them, and that's not necessarily a negative in all cases.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that coming up.

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Speaker 1: Remember when the Cardinals used to be consistently great. They

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Speaker 1: don't even draw like they used to. Whatever. So it's

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Speaker 1: the SEC media Days, and I thought last year was

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Speaker 1: the first year in a long time that the at

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Speaker 1: the top of the Big Ten was better than the

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Speaker 1: top of the SEC. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: that is there's more money at some of those big

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Speaker 1: schools and yes, in the Big Ten, and they're paying

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Speaker 1: for better classes outside of Texas. So I think Maya

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Speaker 1: Angelou has this quote, people show you who they are,

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Speaker 1: Believe them. And years ago when Johnny manzil everybody was

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Speaker 1: in love with Johnny manziel I went on this show

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Speaker 1: at another network and said, do not draft him. Money obsessed,

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Speaker 1: incredibly immature, kicked out of the Peyton Manning camp, do

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Speaker 1: not draft him. He's too small, too cocky. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: good guy, but like even a family member was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's out of control, and nobody listened. And all the

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Speaker 1: fanboys in Texas, A and M you don't know him.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to know him. I watched him, I

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Speaker 1: saw what mattered to him, and I think it's really

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Speaker 1: interesting arch Manning. There's a lot of speculation how good

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Speaker 1: he's going to be. He's already shown you who he

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Speaker 1: is in the portal era where quarterbacks transfer at the

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Speaker 1: slightest discomfort. Despite being more talented the last two years,

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Speaker 1: he's quietly been a backup at Texas. Didn't say anything

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Speaker 1: team player. I think he's better than Quin Yours last

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Speaker 1: year I did. I was never a Quen Yours guy.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loved him. When he goet drafted seventh round. I

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Speaker 1: never bought it, and he sat behind him and Shador

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Speaker 1: Sanders I said this. I was willing to give him

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Speaker 1: a chance. But you're a fifth rounder and you get

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Speaker 1: two speeding tickets in a week. You showed me who

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Speaker 1: you are. Bra I'm out. And I think the media

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Speaker 1: often panders to young athletes and excuses bad behavior, and

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Speaker 1: maybe that's the thing to do. I won't do it

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Speaker 1: at quarterback. Now I'm gonna judge. I'm gonna judge a

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Speaker 1: hard because quarterback says much about iq EQ and leadership.

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Speaker 1: That's why I've said about Jalen Hurts, I don't love

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Speaker 1: him in the pocket, love him as a guy. I

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Speaker 1: said that with Dak. I don't like the way he throws.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a big B minus quarterback talent. Love

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Speaker 1: the intelligence, love the leadership, love the toughness. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I don't know how good Ark Spanning is,

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Speaker 1: but he has shown you who he is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if a wide receiver drops the depth chart, they want

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Speaker 1: to transfer mid season, they transferred to a rival, arch

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Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, I'm just gonna sit here and be

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Speaker 1: a good teammate and keep quiet and get better. And

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Speaker 1: he's clearly made of the right stuff. And I think

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Speaker 1: when it comes to quarterback, when I see kind of

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Speaker 1: a goofy Jamis Winston or a money obsess gay, I said,

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Speaker 1: it's about Baker Mayfield, and Baker's a lot better as

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Speaker 1: a talent in my opinion, than Jameis Winston ever was,

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Speaker 1: or Johnny Manziel. But I said, is he ready to

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Speaker 1: go to dysfunctional Cleveland as the number one pick. No,

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna work long term, and the coach and

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Speaker 1: the GM got rid of him. Now I think in Tampa,

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Speaker 1: which is a quieter franchise, it works. He's rebooted his

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Speaker 1: career and he deserves every penny of the money. But

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Speaker 1: at the time, I was like, he's not ready for it.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna implode, and it did. They moved off him,

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Speaker 1: he didn't move off them. So here's Sark talking about

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Speaker 1: the hype and the hope and the optimism for arch Manning.

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Speaker 2: Well met or guy that he doesn't have to try

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Speaker 2: chief art.

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Speaker 5: I think him being himself at his core is what's

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Speaker 5: going to be good, not for people to get a

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Speaker 5: sense and feel for who he.

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Speaker 4: Is, and ultimately with his teammates, you know.

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Speaker 8: I think, you know, when you don't have to act,

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Speaker 8: but you don't have to hurt on a front of

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Speaker 8: something different than you are, it's a lot easier to do.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna be good. How good, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I think he's going.

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Speaker 2: To be good.

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Speaker 1: So this is really interesting. Robert Kraft, the owner of

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, and Bill Belichick, former legendary coach of the

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Speaker 1: Patriots do not like each other.

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Speaker 2: Like it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there was a documentary that came out and people

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Speaker 1: thought it was Craft undermining Belichick's legacy and leaking a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And I watched that it was fine.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Patriot diehards thought it was a shot

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Speaker 1: at Belichick. But so Robert Kraft came out an interview

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Speaker 1: with Julian Edelman and said this about Belichick.

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Speaker 3: For a coach who had only won a little over

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Speaker 3: forty percent of his game, to get him out front.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there are any Jet fans here,

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Speaker 3: but I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the

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Speaker 3: Patriots in nineteen ninety nine was a big risk, and

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Speaker 3: I got hammered in the Boston media. I think he

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Speaker 3: was with us for twenty four years and we did okay.

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Speaker 1: By the way Belichick has responded quote, I had been

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Speaker 1: warned by previous Patriots coaches as well as members of

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Speaker 1: other NFL organizations in the media, that the Patriots job

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Speaker 1: had a lot of obstacles. So they're all protecting legacies.

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Speaker 1: And my take is Tom Brady's the reason why. If

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Speaker 1: Brady goes to Tampa and doesn't do anything, you can

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Speaker 1: just say, well, Brady, Belichick and Craft they needed each other.

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Speaker 1: You could add Josh McDaniels to that, who failed as

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Speaker 1: a head coach twice. If Brady goes to Tampa and

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Speaker 1: it's a nothing burger, you can go out and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: sometimes those guys all needed each other. But when Brady

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Speaker 1: goes to a five hundred team that was talented but

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Speaker 1: kind of dysfunctional and wins a super Bowl the first year,

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Speaker 1: now everybody goes, oh, what do they look at? They

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Speaker 1: go look at Belichick. It's like a divorce. A woman

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Speaker 1: upgrades Marris, a smart, handsome, successful guy. What do we

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Speaker 1: all do? Now we go look at the guy? Well,

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Speaker 1: who'd you end up with? Because she upgraded? Who'd you

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Speaker 1: end up with? And that's what you do in divorces

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Speaker 1: when somebody has super success. If Brady would have done nothing,

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Speaker 1: it would have been a this is Craft and Belichick

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Speaker 1: would have been fine. I don't think they ever loved

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Speaker 1: each other. And Bill can be kind of petty and

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Speaker 1: surly whatever, and Craft can be manipulative. And you know

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Speaker 1: he's a billionaire. You don't get there by, you know,

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Speaker 1: just playing it straight all the time. But I think

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Speaker 1: Brady's success has forced people to reevaluate Bill Belichick. So

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Speaker 1: if you look at Bill Belichick before Tom Brady, he

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Speaker 1: was forty one and fifty seven and got banged out

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Speaker 1: by Cleveland, Okay, And then if I think he was

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Speaker 1: five and thirteen before Brady, Bledsoe was injured and Brady

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Speaker 1: got the start in New England. And then in the

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Speaker 1: one year Brady got hurt, Matt Cassel won a bunch

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Speaker 1: of games, but they didn't win playoff games, and then

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Speaker 1: Brady leaves and one year later they are regressing badly.

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Speaker 1: So again, if Brady doesn't succeed in Tampa, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: care about it. I'd be like, hey, it was the

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Speaker 1: perfect marriage. But when Brady crushes, it makes anytime a

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Speaker 1: divorce happens and somebody crushes, somebody upgrades, Oh look look

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Speaker 1: who he married. He's kind of a loser. And so

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Speaker 1: it's me I've said this before, is Belichick would have

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Speaker 1: been better off off staying for one year after Brady retired.

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Speaker 1: Brady wins a Super Bowl, he Mac Jones actually made

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl and retiring and just saying I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take a year off. Because if you really look at

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Speaker 1: what happened in New England that Brady Now you can

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Speaker 1: say it was a life preserver the last five years

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Speaker 1: and was getting him into playoff contention and Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: contention that had no speed. I mean the minute Brady

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Speaker 1: left within a year, you're like, oh wow, this is

728
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Speaker 1: the slowest roster in the NFL. Because Belichick took over personnel.

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened to Pete Carolyn Seattle. It's what

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Speaker 1: happens when the coaches get ultimate power. And you read

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Speaker 1: the exception, he doesn't want anything to do with personnel.

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Speaker 1: These coaches now start controlling the draft, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's San Francisco right now. They've had so many bad

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Speaker 1: draft picks. I think Kyle Shanahan's got too much power.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's made me. And then you throw in

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Speaker 1: that Belichick got no offers. Atlanta interviewed him a couple times,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't get an offer. Raheem Morris got the

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Speaker 1: gig And you're like, uh uh, So once again Brady

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Speaker 1: comes out smelling like roses. But his success has forced

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Speaker 1: us to just go back and look at Belichick and

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Speaker 1: it's not you know, and it's just interesting. So because

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Speaker 1: of his production with Brady. We consider Belichick the greatest

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Speaker 1: coach of all time and many and I am one

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Speaker 1: of these people. I think he wanted to break Don

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Speaker 1: Shules all time record. But when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: great coaches, and I've said this before, remember the CTE

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Speaker 1: lawsuit where the NFL had to write like a nine

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar check for not disclosing the punitive nature

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Speaker 1: of CTE. If that would have been written a decade earlier,

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Speaker 1: if the NFL would have been called out on CTE

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Speaker 1: a decade earlier, and they would have pivoted with their

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Speaker 1: rules and legislation to more of an offensive league. I

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Speaker 1: believe Belichick would have two or three fewer Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: and Andy Reid would have two or three more. And

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Speaker 1: I think we'd look at Andy Reid the way we

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Speaker 1: look at Belichick. But Andy Reid, until about ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: eight years ago, until they started like pivoting to an

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Speaker 1: offensive league, the rules all worked against offensive coaches. Now

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Speaker 1: they all work in favor because of safely safety implementation,

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Speaker 1: to make the game safer, to stay away from lawsuits

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Speaker 1: and injuries, especially head injuries. All Right, Hour two, Aja

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Speaker 1: prazinskis stopping by a lot to talk about today. On

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday, we're live. It's the Herd