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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news to.

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Speaker 2: The news of the day, including of course, the late

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Speaker 2: Friday announcement that Scott Bessett will be, if Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: Course keeping in mind that.

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Speaker 2: If Besson is to be the next Treasury Secretary, he

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Speaker 2: does still need to win Senate confirmation, but he has

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Speaker 2: had a pretty clear narrative of the agenda he would

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Speaker 2: like to pursue this kind of three three three policy.

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Speaker 2: He says, reduced debt to three percent from the current

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Speaker 2: in the United States. He also has floated the idea

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Speaker 2: of a shadow FED chair and had this to say

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Speaker 2: to Joe Matthew and myself last month when he joined

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Speaker 2: us about the influence Donald Trump might want to have

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Speaker 1: He has a deep understanding of financial markets, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to most politicians, so he wants to be in in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. He has very well formed opinions. He has

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Speaker 1: a lot of private sector friends, so he just wants

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Speaker 1: to be a voice.

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Speaker 2: We want to add another voice to our program here

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Speaker 2: on Balance of Power on Bloomberg TV and Radio. In

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Speaker 2: turns of the ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee,

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Congressman from California, Maxine Waters, is joining me now. Congresswoman,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for being here. I would love first

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Speaker 2: just your reaction to the nomination of Scott Besson. Will

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Speaker 4: Let me just say this, as the world has been

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Speaker 4: watching President Trump's appointees, it is not about competence.

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Speaker 3: It is not about the ability.

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Speaker 4: To be an advocate for the people and protect investors

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Speaker 4: that the people of this country, that the Americans have

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Speaker 4: someone looking out for their best teters. He has made

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Speaker 4: his appointments based on loyalty. Loyalty and that.

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Speaker 3: Means they will do whatever he wants.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, I consider the new public policy

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Speaker 4: will be whatever Trump wants by his appointees who have been.

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Speaker 3: Chosen because of their loyalty.

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Speaker 4: So I can I get into whether or not this appointee,

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Speaker 4: As you know, the Treasury is different from anybody else.

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Speaker 4: But I expect right now that we're going to be

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Speaker 4: up against appointees at every level of government that are

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Speaker 4: loyal to Trump, and they're going to take this country

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Speaker 4: in a whole new direction, as identified in Project twenty

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Speaker 2: So when it comes to Scott Beston specifically Congressoan, do

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Speaker 2: you think the market is perhaps misplaced in its notion

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Speaker 2: that he actually could be something of about and sing

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Speaker 2: force for the president, a kind of steady hand, if

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Speaker 2: you will, when it comes to the extent of tariffs

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Speaker 2: that should be pursued, for example, you don't believe that

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Speaker 3: No, I do not believe it to be true. Again,

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Speaker 3: and let me reiterate.

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Speaker 4: These appointments are based on whether they're going to do

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Speaker 3: And so I'm prepared.

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Speaker 4: I'm prepared for whatever Trump wants them to do, and

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Speaker 4: I'm prepared to fight that. I'm prepared to be able

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Speaker 3: Doing and what's going on. So I'm not going to back.

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Speaker 3: And then we want to.

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Speaker 4: See if we could not only educate and inform, but

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Speaker 2: Well, Congresswoman, as you look ahead to the work you'd

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Speaker 3: That's a possibility.

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Speaker 4: But if I identify them right now to you for

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Speaker 4: So yes, I hope there could be someone that follows

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Speaker 2: Just one of the candidates in my understanding, you think

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Speaker 4: Tell you the truth, I could work with members from

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Speaker 4: way that I've worked with the McHenry and others. But

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Speaker 4: we've got to see who's willing to step up to

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Speaker 4: do what's necessary to hold on to the Consumer Financial

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Speaker 4: can do that, I can certainly work with them.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have seen some bipartisan work coming out of

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Speaker 2: the MIDI in this committee in one hundred and eighteenth Congress,

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Speaker 2: the Market Structure crypto legislation in Congressman, and I wonder

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Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you.

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Speaker 4: I've worked very closely with mce henry where we've tried

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Speaker 3: Our efforts have been about guard rails.

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Speaker 4: We are not opposed to legitimate legislation that appears to

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Speaker 4: and there may be some crypto that would like to

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Speaker 4: agree to working with all of the entities that are

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Speaker 4: going to get there, and that means the Treasury, that

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Speaker 4: all of these agencies have to come together with the

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Speaker 3: Guardrails and will not just be determined.

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Speaker 4: By the fact that crypto companies are trying to invade

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Speaker 4: We know what's going on, and we think now they're

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Speaker 3: So we've got a lot of you.

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Speaker 4: Understanding, a lot of searching out, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: And I think some of my members are.

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Speaker 4: And I do believe that some of the members who

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Speaker 4: voted for the crypto legislation that you're talking about will

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Speaker 4: quite understand. But I don't think that'll be the case anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just mentioned their congresswoman, the SEC's role in this.

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Speaker 2: The chair, Gary Gensler, of course, has announced that he

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, a Gansler was an expert in crypto.

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Speaker 4: And he was absolutely the one who I believe should

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Speaker 4: Crypto is a security, It is not a commodity, and

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Speaker 4: that's what the fight is all about, commodity versus security.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know who can fill those shoes, but

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Speaker 2: Well, we know gangsters will be out of those shoes

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Speaker 2: there's no sign that this person will be leaving in

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Speaker 3: How do you expect Michael.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, let me just go back and

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Speaker 4: But let me tell you if you mentioned Powell or

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Speaker 4: Now if you're talking about a Ginstler and why he

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Speaker 3: He will not be there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know much about a replacement, and whether or

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Speaker 4: That's not the business of the sec the Securities Exchange Commission,

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Speaker 4: And so we've got all of these issues to work out.

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Speaker 2: Supervision at the Federal Reserve, who of course will oversee

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Speaker 2: the future of capital requirements for big banks. What do

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Speaker 3: Let me just tell you.

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Speaker 4: We've got to continue to educate our members and the

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Speaker 4: protect against, you know, the kind of meltdown that we

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Speaker 3: You know, we cannot.

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Speaker 4: The lessons that have been learned about capital requirements, and

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Speaker 4: so we're going to push very hard with all of

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Speaker 4: the information, with all of the history about what took

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Speaker 4: place when we had the meltdown in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 4: and this country was practically ruined because of a lack

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Speaker 2: All right, Congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 2: here on Bloomberg TV and Radio. That is the ranking

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Speaker 2: member of the House Financial Services Committee. Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters,

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Speaker 2: thank you.