Speaker 1: You found it the Second Date Update podcast. It's Brook
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey in the morning. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being here, and we love hearing how you found us.
Speaker 1: And we've gotten a lot of comments about viral tiktoks,
Speaker 1: about people finding us even on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or friends to listen to us. Oh, that's
Speaker 2: always when people say that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always a good one. And today we got
Speaker 1: a special tree. It's a closure call. You heard one
Speaker 1: of these, you know, Like you've said before, Jose, it's
Speaker 1: kind of the most intense segment. Yeah, and this one,
Speaker 1: out of all the closure calls we've ever done, definitely
Speaker 1: took the most amount of energy to make it happen
Speaker 1: for Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it.
Speaker 4: Some people hold all this weight for so long to
Speaker 4: actually get that closure or have that conversation that they
Speaker 4: never had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be crazy.
Speaker 1: And honestly, this one proves that our producer is amazing
Speaker 1: to actually get this person the answers that they needed.
Speaker 4: The fact that he can remember the next day even
Speaker 4: follow up is.
Speaker 3: Impressive to me.
Speaker 2: I think you won't hear this to know we actually
Speaker 2: like him.
Speaker 1: That's a great Hey, here's the closure call.
Speaker 3: Enjoy Despite what everyone listening may think. It actually takes
Speaker 3: a lot of work to put on this mediocre radio show.
Speaker 2: Preach Jeffrey mediocre.
Speaker 3: That's a generous tune. Yeah, because it's hard to get
Speaker 3: people to actually answer their phones for second date calls
Speaker 3: and phone taps.
Speaker 2: I blame gen Z. Yeah, you can blame us. I'm
Speaker 2: not answering.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we wait days or weeks to get a response,
Speaker 3: but nothing compares to what our producer had to go
Speaker 3: through to make today's closure call happen. Because this all
Speaker 3: started when one of our listeners received a mysterious message
Speaker 3: on Facebook and what it said was so shocking she
Speaker 3: had to find out if it was true. And now,
Speaker 3: after a full year of our producer tracking this person
Speaker 3: down trying to convince them to respond, we finally got
Speaker 3: some answers and it might be the most email that
Speaker 3: we've ever had this send. You're going to understand why
Speaker 3: in your brand new closure call next. We've been doing
Speaker 3: the closure calls for a while now, but today is
Speaker 3: a first because we reached out to someone that our
Speaker 3: listener has never even met before, never seen in person either.
Speaker 2: Why would you need closure for someone who is not
Speaker 2: part of your life at.
Speaker 3: All, how does that work? These are good questions that
Speaker 3: we should ask her, but they desperately need to get
Speaker 3: closure on this, and from the little bit that I
Speaker 3: do know, it is a very interesting, very shocking, mysterious story.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was thinking, why is our producer picking this person?
Speaker 3: Let's ask some of these questions to Marissa and welcome
Speaker 3: to the show. Hey Marissa, how's it going?
Speaker 5: Hey guys, it's going? Okay? How are you gars? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are you like hitting up like Madonna to ask her
Speaker 4: why she's not making music anymore?
Speaker 1: She's actually still making an Issa good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good music, Thank you. Maybe we can speculate, but
Speaker 3: let's just have Marissa tell us what made you email
Speaker 3: the show for help?
Speaker 5: Okay, So this is kind of a crazy story. Kind
Speaker 5: of blows my mind too. But this this chick name
Speaker 5: asked and hit me up okay, instant our direct message okay,
Speaker 5: and said she had a crazy story for me.
Speaker 1: Did she tell you the story right away or was
Speaker 1: it one of those like, I don't know, she's setting
Speaker 1: you up for a scam or something? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Think funny you mentioned that I thought it was a
Speaker 5: scam at first, because it's so crazy. But she said
Speaker 5: she just found out that thirty years ago she was
Speaker 5: accidentally swapped at birth for another baby at the hospital
Speaker 5: and that baby was me.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa wait, she's claiming, how would she know.
Speaker 5: What a swap sisters? I was like, Okay, that sounds really.
Speaker 3: Weird, like swap sisters. Dude, it sounds like a show
Speaker 3: on teals.
Speaker 2: She's saying, your parents aren't your parents, that they're her parents? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Crazy, right? So I deleted it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a scam.
Speaker 1: Questions, No way, dude, I would think it's I mean,
Speaker 1: you can tell if you're related.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you do a DNA test.
Speaker 1: I mean you can do those tests, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are finding out stuff like like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: not really my dad is usually how it goes down, yea,
Speaker 1: typically you know who your mom is, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of makes more sense.
Speaker 5: She sent me another message and she's like, this is
Speaker 5: not a scam. So I hit up my parents and
Speaker 5: I was like, mom, guy, can you tell me about this?
Speaker 2: And they well, that's what happens with swap babies. The
Speaker 2: parents don't know. That's the big like to do about it, right.
Speaker 1: It's like back in the day, they'd take the babies
Speaker 1: into a room. Now, you're never separated from your baby
Speaker 1: after you give birth, really, unless you ask them to
Speaker 1: take it away so you can sleep.
Speaker 3: So your parents who raised you, they didn't believe it.
Speaker 5: They thought it was a scam too, Like I'm elaborate, AI.
Speaker 1: Saying, Oh my gosh, So wait, did you go to
Speaker 1: Aspen's page?
Speaker 2: Could you see any resemblance?
Speaker 5: Well, so she sent me some pictures and what's weird
Speaker 5: as the photos looked exactly like me of her parents.
Speaker 4: Wait what oh you look like her parents?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So I finally wrote back here and I was like,
Speaker 5: how do you know all this information?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And what else can you tell me?
Speaker 2: What else can you tell me? Okay? What she say?
Speaker 5: Her last message was something totally mysterious. She thinks her
Speaker 5: mom and dad might know about it, but they're so
Speaker 5: mad at me for bringing up they won't talk about it.
Speaker 1: Oh so she's saying she actually doesn't even know all
Speaker 1: the details. She just knows that their family all knows.
Speaker 1: It's like some big family secret and they don't want
Speaker 1: to Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she might have gotten in trouble for
Speaker 5: even reaching out to me.
Speaker 3: Oh so the fact that.
Speaker 4: They don't want any information, or hey, drop it like
Speaker 4: that makes it sound like it is legits like asking
Speaker 4: questions like I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I guess like if you have an adult child, right,
Speaker 1: you've raised in your whole life, and then you just
Speaker 1: then find out that they were swapped at birth, It's like, I.
Speaker 3: Know you're twenty three, but we're sending you back to
Speaker 3: the office.
Speaker 2: Switch.
Speaker 3: What's that saying? Like, you know, not knowing is bliss?
Speaker 2: Ignorance is ignorance is bliss?
Speaker 3: Maybe that was their stance on it, But like, how
Speaker 3: are you feeling?
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of freaked out, to be honest, like
Speaker 5: this is the weirdest thing that I think has ever
Speaker 5: happened to me, if it's true.
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, and how long has this been going on?
Speaker 3: You with the back and forth with this girl?
Speaker 5: This happened four years ago?
Speaker 2: Oh four years? Agow, Wait, you've been sitting on this
Speaker 2: for four years? Did you get DNA tested with your parents?
Speaker 5: No? But I think I found my mom on Facebook
Speaker 5: but she wouldn't respond.
Speaker 2: Wait, you're already calling her my mom?
Speaker 3: Wow? What should she call her?
Speaker 5: Broke?
Speaker 2: The woman?
Speaker 1: I don't know what her name is, but like, no,
Speaker 1: don't know that one for a fact, and too like
Speaker 1: your mom is still your mom.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, you got to be a biological mom.
Speaker 2: Like a whole identity crisis because of this, and.
Speaker 3: So your biological mom wasn't responding to your messages, and
Speaker 3: that's when you reached out to us.
Speaker 5: Right, my supposed biological mom that looks like me.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, is that the case? Wait? Is that
Speaker 2: who you wrote with our producer? You wrote the biological
Speaker 2: mom with the questions?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: She actually emailed us about a year ago, it turns out,
Speaker 3: and our producer has been working on this every single week,
Speaker 3: trying to soften up the mom in.
Speaker 2: Order to respond.
Speaker 3: Marissa, you know that we wouldn't have you on the
Speaker 3: show right now if she didn't answer us.
Speaker 2: She finally answered after a year she said, stop contacting.
Speaker 3: We got her responses back a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wait, asthmen, are you sitting down? Are
Speaker 2: you in a safe place? Sorry?
Speaker 3: I mean Marissa, Yeah, okay, maybe you should lie down
Speaker 3: for this one because it could get kind of emotional.
Speaker 3: But we can help give you some fine reality when
Speaker 3: we do your closure call right after this.
Speaker 5: Thank you, hold.
Speaker 1: On frooking Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 3: This could be such an emotional closure call. I think
Speaker 3: we need to have some sad piano music for it. No, wait, no,
Speaker 3: I said, I said sad piano, not bad piano.
Speaker 2: I see the mix up.
Speaker 3: This is why I have to listen to the music
Speaker 3: ahead of time. Stop this, yeah, let me let me
Speaker 3: get some sad piano music. This is not It's kind
Speaker 3: of impressive, but it doesn't fit the tone. Does I
Speaker 3: feel like bring the music down?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's sad like emotional music.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know I want to go back to the
Speaker 1: happy one.
Speaker 3: We're talking about swapped at birth because it just doesn't
Speaker 3: feel right.
Speaker 2: It was frustration. You're frustrated at the music, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: But swapped at Bert this is something that you don't
Speaker 3: hear about much anymore, thankfully, because the hospitals are better
Speaker 3: at not doing it. But thirty years.
Speaker 1: Ago, or they're better at hiding it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's the case thirty years ago. Though it
Speaker 3: did happen to one of our listeners, Marissa. No, You've
Speaker 3: got a random message on her socials from a girl
Speaker 3: named Aspen claiming to be her swap sister, saying they
Speaker 3: were accidentally swapped at the hospital and they've been raised
Speaker 3: by each other's parents for years.
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, I wouldn't google search the term
Speaker 1: swap sister.
Speaker 2: I just think that you're going to end up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't want to see.
Speaker 3: It's non official term. Aspen came up with it. But
Speaker 3: the thing is, the details about it were a little
Speaker 3: bit sketchy and there was some hesitation to answer everything.
Speaker 3: That's why a year ago Marissa reached out to us
Speaker 3: asking if we could contact her biological mom for her
Speaker 3: and hopefully get her some closure on what really happened.
Speaker 4: I usually if you hit us up a year in advance,
Speaker 4: we don't get to it just because we're lazy.
Speaker 3: Working on this a lot. Yeah, we're running out of
Speaker 3: time thanks to all the bad piano music, so we
Speaker 3: better just get to it. We sent four questions to
Speaker 3: Marissa's mom, Marissa, are you ready to hear some answers
Speaker 3: to this? I know you've been waiting a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, what musical track do you want him to
Speaker 1: play behind it when he reads it?
Speaker 3: What important?
Speaker 2: Your tears in the back?
Speaker 5: Ron gonna start crying.
Speaker 1: I'm joking, I'm joking Marissa, I mean this is crazy
Speaker 1: because I mean you're going to finally, no, hopefully you're
Speaker 1: going to hear from the mom.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean this has been a time coming
Speaker 5: just seeing some of these answers I've been looking for.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just been such a mystery.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the first one, and this is going
Speaker 3: to be the first time I've read the answers to.
Speaker 3: I was just handed the sheet with what she wrote back.
Speaker 2: You needed to preread them, Jeff, so that you were
Speaker 2: crying prod.
Speaker 4: Went through all this.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I needed to focus on the piano music.
Speaker 2: Let's focus harder so it would have gone better.
Speaker 3: But sure, question one, we said your daughter Aspen reached
Speaker 3: out to years ago, telling me you were my real
Speaker 3: biological mom. Is this true? So she wrote back.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, are you ready for this?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Please?
Speaker 3: Okay, because if he said no, we would have had
Speaker 3: to stop the segment and that would have been really annoying, Jeff.
Speaker 3: But she wrote back, it is true, but Aspen didn't
Speaker 3: reach out to you. I did.
Speaker 2: I need to wait. I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I'm confused.
Speaker 2: So she faked.
Speaker 3: She says, I made up a fake Facebook account for
Speaker 3: her because I was too ashamed to speak directly to you.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: So is Aspen the girl that you were really swapped?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, arssa?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are you okay?
Speaker 3: Do you have all the answers you need or would
Speaker 3: you like to content?
Speaker 2: Hey, check on her? She sounds upset.
Speaker 5: Okay, No, it's it's just shocking. It's amazing and shocking,
Speaker 5: and I can't thank you guys enough for reaching out
Speaker 5: to her and helping me.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's not Wait, you just believe her
Speaker 1: straight out the gate, like this is a woman who's
Speaker 1: faking to be Aspen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I really don't know what to believe.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm really curious to know what she says. Next,
Speaker 5: you almost wanted to be real.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get to the second question, which was tell
Speaker 3: me what you know about me getting swapped at birth?
Speaker 3: How did you find out about that? She wrote back. Well, honestly,
Speaker 3: when I reached out four years ago, I made it up.
Speaker 3: What wait, she says?
Speaker 2: Who is she?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to speak with you, but I
Speaker 3: didn't know how to do it without making it seem
Speaker 3: like I was a terrible parent, Because the truth is
Speaker 3: I gave you up for adoption at birth? Oh much,
Speaker 3: she said, I'm sorry again?
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 4: So she still is your mom, but it wasn't a.
Speaker 3: Swap again, so she was ashamed to admit the truth.
Speaker 2: Did you know you were adopted by your by your mom?
Speaker 5: Your parents?
Speaker 3: Maybe the parents didn't know that they adopted her, No, definitely.
Speaker 2: Could be in the dark, but the mom would be pretty.
Speaker 1: Why would your parents not come clean with you when
Speaker 1: you approach them about being swapped at birth? They would
Speaker 1: know you were like gonna find something out why.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it was just too much
Speaker 5: for them, you know, and then just mentioning fuck thing.
Speaker 3: We're getting a lot of text in it seventy five
Speaker 3: nine to two from listeners who are supporting you. By
Speaker 3: the way, Marissa, so keep those coming. We're going to
Speaker 3: forward those to her after the segment so that she
Speaker 3: could read them all. But this is already going way
Speaker 3: different than we thought this call was going to be.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if the third question is going
Speaker 3: to be relevant still, because again we write all the
Speaker 3: questions before we know the answers. But the third question was,
Speaker 3: how do I know this is really my biological mom?
Speaker 3: My parents who raised me are both shocked and know
Speaker 3: nothing about it. Do you have any proof?
Speaker 1: That's still a valid question, I mean valid questions. Still,
Speaker 1: we're like, what if this is still someone who's I mean,
Speaker 1: she already lied about you know, the whole story.
Speaker 5: Uh what did she say?
Speaker 3: She wrote back, there are birth records that I had you,
Speaker 3: and we both have the same color blonde hair as
Speaker 3: I've shown you in the pictures I sent. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure I'm ready for a DNA test, but it would
Speaker 3: also prove it as well. Huh, I'm sorry, lady. She
Speaker 3: keeps saying I'm sorry at the end of every answer,
Speaker 3: so she clearly feels pretty bad.
Speaker 2: But she shouldn't feel bad.
Speaker 1: You have a great life, like I mean, if she
Speaker 1: couldn't provide you with what you needed as a child.
Speaker 5: I don't understand. So that means my parents are lying
Speaker 5: or something, or she's lying.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody is not telling the truth in this situation,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Maybe trying to protect you. One party is trying to
Speaker 3: protect you from something. But let's go to the fourth
Speaker 3: question because we are running out of time here. It says,
Speaker 3: is there anything else that I should know about? What happened.
Speaker 3: We like to leave it kind of open in general
Speaker 3: for them to fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2: Well, thank god we did, since we didn't know what
Speaker 2: the hell was going on was.
Speaker 3: Taking a turn. But your mom wrote back. She said,
Speaker 3: there is obviously a lot to tell you, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure you're angry at me about how I handled it.
Speaker 3: I am getting older, though, and I just wanted to
Speaker 3: have a chance to get to meet my daughter and
Speaker 3: know you, She says. I don't expect you to forgive me,
Speaker 3: but I would love to meet up with you in
Speaker 3: person if you're willing.
Speaker 5: I guess I just needs some time to think about it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm curious too, but I have so many
Speaker 5: unanswered questions at this moment, even for my parents to
Speaker 5: raise me.
Speaker 1: You know, I know it feels like you have a
Speaker 1: lot to deal with before you even think about meeting
Speaker 1: up with this woman who claims to be your biological mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like who's your dad then?
Speaker 5: Too?
Speaker 2: Like there's so many up.
Speaker 3: This is a woman who, like we've tried to reach
Speaker 3: out to on Facebook, and is clearly used to lying.
Speaker 3: We don't know if any of this is actually true,
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't necessarily come in with guns of blazing.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I would come in super guard it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, somebody's lying to you, my
Speaker 1: instinct would be this woman because you don't even know her.
Speaker 2: You know, you would trust your parents more.
Speaker 3: You need to bring your current parents with the biological
Speaker 3: mom and have them meet and maybe something will be.
Speaker 2: Comport What does your birth certificate say?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I haven't really got it.
Speaker 3: Go get it.
Speaker 4: We'll wait.
Speaker 3: Maybe you come back with it later. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I know this is a lot of information that was
Speaker 3: just tossed on you. We'll give you some time to process.
Speaker 3: But do you feel like maybe it helped get you
Speaker 3: a step towards closure?
Speaker 5: I feel like I have a lot more questions, to
Speaker 5: be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, I was thinking opens everything up, doesn't
Speaker 1: close anything.
Speaker 3: We'll stay in touch with you and hopefully we can
Speaker 3: do a closure call update and figure out what's really
Speaker 3: going on if you do meet up with your biological mom,
Speaker 3: if she is your biological mom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, thank you guys.
Speaker 2: I just want to give you a hug right now.
Speaker 3: Give me some happy piano music to play us out,
Speaker 3: please tense?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: That was a dramatic, A successful.
Speaker 2: Closure, successful jeff at all.
Speaker 3: All right, well it was a.
Speaker 2: Closure call, yeah, with zero closure.
Speaker 3: It's Brook and Jeffrey the other one in the morning.
Speaker 3: That's what you get when you email us for help.
Speaker 1: Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.