1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: You found it the Second Date Update podcast. It's Brook 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: and Jeffrey in the morning. Thank you so much for 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: being here, and we love hearing how you found us. 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: And we've gotten a lot of comments about viral tiktoks, 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: about people finding us even on Facebook. 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or friends to listen to us. Oh, that's 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: always when people say that one. 8 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always a good one. And today we got 9 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: a special tree. It's a closure call. You heard one 10 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: of these, you know, Like you've said before, Jose, it's 11 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: kind of the most intense segment. Yeah, and this one, 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: out of all the closure calls we've ever done, definitely 13 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: took the most amount of energy to make it happen 14 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: for Yeah. 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. 16 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 4: Some people hold all this weight for so long to 17 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 4: actually get that closure or have that conversation that they 18 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 4: never had. 19 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be crazy. 20 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: And honestly, this one proves that our producer is amazing 21 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: to actually get this person the answers that they needed. 22 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 4: The fact that he can remember the next day even 23 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: follow up is. 24 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 3: Impressive to me. 25 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: I think you won't hear this to know we actually 26 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: like him. 27 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: That's a great Hey, here's the closure call. 28 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Enjoy Despite what everyone listening may think. It actually takes 29 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: a lot of work to put on this mediocre radio show. 30 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Preach Jeffrey mediocre. 31 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: That's a generous tune. Yeah, because it's hard to get 32 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: people to actually answer their phones for second date calls 33 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: and phone taps. 34 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: I blame gen Z. Yeah, you can blame us. I'm 35 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: not answering. 36 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: Sometimes we wait days or weeks to get a response, 37 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: but nothing compares to what our producer had to go 38 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: through to make today's closure call happen. Because this all 39 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: started when one of our listeners received a mysterious message 40 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: on Facebook and what it said was so shocking she 41 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: had to find out if it was true. And now, 42 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: after a full year of our producer tracking this person 43 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: down trying to convince them to respond, we finally got 44 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: some answers and it might be the most email that 45 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: we've ever had this send. You're going to understand why 46 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: in your brand new closure call next. We've been doing 47 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: the closure calls for a while now, but today is 48 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: a first because we reached out to someone that our 49 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: listener has never even met before, never seen in person either. 50 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: Why would you need closure for someone who is not 51 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: part of your life at. 52 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: All, how does that work? These are good questions that 53 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 3: we should ask her, but they desperately need to get 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: closure on this, and from the little bit that I 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: do know, it is a very interesting, very shocking, mysterious story. 56 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I was thinking, why is our producer picking this person? 57 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: Let's ask some of these questions to Marissa and welcome 58 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: to the show. Hey Marissa, how's it going? 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 5: Hey guys, it's going? Okay? How are you gars? Yeah? 60 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: Are you like hitting up like Madonna to ask her 61 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: why she's not making music anymore? 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: She's actually still making an Issa good. 63 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, good music, Thank you. Maybe we can speculate, but 64 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: let's just have Marissa tell us what made you email 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: the show for help? 66 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 5: Okay, So this is kind of a crazy story. Kind 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 5: of blows my mind too. But this this chick name 68 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 5: asked and hit me up okay, instant our direct message okay, 69 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 5: and said she had a crazy story for me. 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: Did she tell you the story right away or was 71 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: it one of those like, I don't know, she's setting 72 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: you up for a scam or something? Yeah? 73 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, exactly. 74 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: Think funny you mentioned that I thought it was a 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 5: scam at first, because it's so crazy. But she said 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 5: she just found out that thirty years ago she was 77 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: accidentally swapped at birth for another baby at the hospital 78 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 5: and that baby was me. 79 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa wait, she's claiming, how would she know. 80 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 5: What a swap sisters? I was like, Okay, that sounds really. 81 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: Weird, like swap sisters. Dude, it sounds like a show 82 00:03:59,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: on teals. 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: She's saying, your parents aren't your parents, that they're her parents? Yeah? 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: Crazy, right? So I deleted it. 85 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a scam. 86 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Questions, No way, dude, I would think it's I mean, 87 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you can tell if you're related. 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you do a DNA test. 89 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean you can do those tests, and a lot 90 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: of people are finding out stuff like like, oh, that's 91 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: not really my dad is usually how it goes down, yea, 92 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: typically you know who your mom is, you know. 93 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of makes more sense. 94 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 5: She sent me another message and she's like, this is 95 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 5: not a scam. So I hit up my parents and 96 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 5: I was like, mom, guy, can you tell me about this? 97 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: And they well, that's what happens with swap babies. The 98 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: parents don't know. That's the big like to do about it, right. 99 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: It's like back in the day, they'd take the babies 100 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: into a room. Now, you're never separated from your baby 101 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: after you give birth, really, unless you ask them to 102 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: take it away so you can sleep. 103 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: So your parents who raised you, they didn't believe it. 104 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: They thought it was a scam too, Like I'm elaborate, AI. 105 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: Saying, Oh my gosh, So wait, did you go to 106 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: Aspen's page? 107 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: Could you see any resemblance? 108 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 5: Well, so she sent me some pictures and what's weird 109 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: as the photos looked exactly like me of her parents. 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 4: Wait what oh you look like her parents? 111 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? So I finally wrote back here and I was like, 112 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: how do you know all this information? 113 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 3: Yeah? 114 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 5: And what else can you tell me? 115 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: What else can you tell me? Okay? What she say? 116 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 5: Her last message was something totally mysterious. She thinks her 117 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 5: mom and dad might know about it, but they're so 118 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 5: mad at me for bringing up they won't talk about it. 119 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: Oh so she's saying she actually doesn't even know all 120 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: the details. She just knows that their family all knows. 121 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: It's like some big family secret and they don't want 122 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: to Wow. 123 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she might have gotten in trouble for 124 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: even reaching out to me. 125 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: Oh so the fact that. 126 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: They don't want any information, or hey, drop it like 127 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: that makes it sound like it is legits like asking 128 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: questions like I. 129 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: Mean, I guess like if you have an adult child, right, 130 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: you've raised in your whole life, and then you just 131 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: then find out that they were swapped at birth, It's like, I. 132 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: Know you're twenty three, but we're sending you back to 133 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: the office. 134 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: Switch. 135 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 3: What's that saying? Like, you know, not knowing is bliss? 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: Ignorance is ignorance is bliss? 137 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: Maybe that was their stance on it, But like, how 138 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: are you feeling? 139 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 5: I'm just kind of freaked out, to be honest, like 140 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 5: this is the weirdest thing that I think has ever 141 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: happened to me, if it's true. 142 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: But oh yeah, and how long has this been going on? 143 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: You with the back and forth with this girl? 144 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 5: This happened four years ago? 145 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: Oh four years? Agow, Wait, you've been sitting on this 146 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: for four years? Did you get DNA tested with your parents? 147 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: No? But I think I found my mom on Facebook 148 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: but she wouldn't respond. 149 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Wait, you're already calling her my mom? 150 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: Wow? What should she call her? 151 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 5: Broke? 152 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: The woman? 153 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what her name is, but like, no, 154 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: don't know that one for a fact, and too like 155 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: your mom is still your mom. 156 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy. 157 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: Okay, you got to be a biological mom. 158 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: Like a whole identity crisis because of this, and. 159 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: So your biological mom wasn't responding to your messages, and 160 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: that's when you reached out to us. 161 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 5: Right, my supposed biological mom that looks like me. 162 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, is that the case? Wait? Is that 163 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: who you wrote with our producer? You wrote the biological 164 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: mom with the questions? 165 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 5: Right? 166 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: She actually emailed us about a year ago, it turns out, 167 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: and our producer has been working on this every single week, 168 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: trying to soften up the mom in. 169 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: Order to respond. 170 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: Marissa, you know that we wouldn't have you on the 171 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: show right now if she didn't answer us. 172 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: She finally answered after a year she said, stop contacting. 173 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: We got her responses back a couple of days ago. 174 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wait, asthmen, are you sitting down? Are 175 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: you in a safe place? Sorry? 176 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: I mean Marissa, Yeah, okay, maybe you should lie down 177 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: for this one because it could get kind of emotional. 178 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: But we can help give you some fine reality when 179 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: we do your closure call right after this. 180 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 5: Thank you, hold. 181 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: On frooking Jeffrey in the morning. 182 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: This could be such an emotional closure call. I think 183 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: we need to have some sad piano music for it. No, wait, no, 184 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 3: I said, I said sad piano, not bad piano. 185 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: I see the mix up. 186 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: This is why I have to listen to the music 187 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: ahead of time. Stop this, yeah, let me let me 188 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: get some sad piano music. This is not It's kind 189 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 3: of impressive, but it doesn't fit the tone. Does I 190 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: feel like bring the music down? 191 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 5: No? 192 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's sad like emotional music. 193 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I know I want to go back to the 194 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: happy one. 195 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: We're talking about swapped at birth because it just doesn't 196 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: feel right. 197 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: It was frustration. You're frustrated at the music, Yeah. 198 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm not. 199 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: But swapped at Bert this is something that you don't 200 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: hear about much anymore, thankfully, because the hospitals are better 201 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,599 Speaker 3: at not doing it. But thirty years. 202 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: Ago, or they're better at hiding it. 203 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's the case thirty years ago. Though it 204 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: did happen to one of our listeners, Marissa. No, You've 205 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: got a random message on her socials from a girl 206 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: named Aspen claiming to be her swap sister, saying they 207 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: were accidentally swapped at the hospital and they've been raised 208 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: by each other's parents for years. 209 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, I wouldn't google search the term 210 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: swap sister. 211 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: I just think that you're going to end up. Yeah, 212 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: you don't want to see. 213 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: It's non official term. Aspen came up with it. But 214 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: the thing is, the details about it were a little 215 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: bit sketchy and there was some hesitation to answer everything. 216 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: That's why a year ago Marissa reached out to us 217 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: asking if we could contact her biological mom for her 218 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: and hopefully get her some closure on what really happened. 219 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: I usually if you hit us up a year in advance, 220 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 4: we don't get to it just because we're lazy. 221 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 3: Working on this a lot. Yeah, we're running out of 222 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: time thanks to all the bad piano music, so we 223 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: better just get to it. We sent four questions to 224 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: Marissa's mom, Marissa, are you ready to hear some answers 225 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: to this? I know you've been waiting a long time. 226 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, what musical track do you want him to 227 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: play behind it when he reads it? 228 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: What important? 229 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: Your tears in the back? 230 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 5: Ron gonna start crying. 231 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm joking, I'm joking Marissa, I mean this is crazy 232 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: because I mean you're going to finally, no, hopefully you're 233 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: going to hear from the mom. 234 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean this has been a time coming 235 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 5: just seeing some of these answers I've been looking for. 236 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 5: You know, it's just been such a mystery. 237 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: Let's get to the first one, and this is going 238 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: to be the first time I've read the answers to. 239 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: I was just handed the sheet with what she wrote back. 240 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: You needed to preread them, Jeff, so that you were 241 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: crying prod. 242 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 4: Went through all this. 243 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: I'm sure I needed to focus on the piano music. 244 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: Let's focus harder so it would have gone better. 245 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: But sure, question one, we said your daughter Aspen reached 246 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: out to years ago, telling me you were my real 247 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: biological mom. Is this true? So she wrote back. 248 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, are you ready for this? 249 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? Please? 250 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: Okay, because if he said no, we would have had 251 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: to stop the segment and that would have been really annoying, Jeff. 252 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 3: But she wrote back, it is true, but Aspen didn't 253 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: reach out to you. I did. 254 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,479 Speaker 2: I need to wait. I'm confused. 255 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: I'm confused. 256 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: So she faked. 257 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: She says, I made up a fake Facebook account for 258 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 3: her because I was too ashamed to speak directly to you. 259 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 260 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: So is Aspen the girl that you were really swapped? 261 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: Oh? 262 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, arssa? 263 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 5: Yeah? 264 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: Are you okay? 265 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: Do you have all the answers you need or would 266 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: you like to content? 267 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: Hey, check on her? She sounds upset. 268 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: Okay, No, it's it's just shocking. It's amazing and shocking, 269 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 5: and I can't thank you guys enough for reaching out 270 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 5: to her and helping me. 271 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: But I mean it's not Wait, you just believe her 272 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: straight out the gate, like this is a woman who's 273 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: faking to be Aspen. 274 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I really don't know what to believe. 275 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 5: I'm I'm really curious to know what she says. Next, 276 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 5: you almost wanted to be real. 277 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: Well, let's get to the second question, which was tell 278 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: me what you know about me getting swapped at birth? 279 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: How did you find out about that? She wrote back. Well, honestly, 280 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: when I reached out four years ago, I made it up. 281 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: What wait, she says? 282 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: Who is she? 283 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Then? 284 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to speak with you, but I 285 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 3: didn't know how to do it without making it seem 286 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: like I was a terrible parent, Because the truth is 287 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: I gave you up for adoption at birth? Oh much, 288 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: she said, I'm sorry again? 289 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: Whoa? 290 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 4: So she still is your mom, but it wasn't a. 291 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: Swap again, so she was ashamed to admit the truth. 292 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: Did you know you were adopted by your by your mom? 293 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 5: Your parents? 294 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: Maybe the parents didn't know that they adopted her, No, definitely. 295 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: Could be in the dark, but the mom would be pretty. 296 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: Why would your parents not come clean with you when 297 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: you approach them about being swapped at birth? They would 298 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: know you were like gonna find something out why. 299 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it was just too much 300 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 5: for them, you know, and then just mentioning fuck thing. 301 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: We're getting a lot of text in it seventy five 302 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: nine to two from listeners who are supporting you. By 303 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: the way, Marissa, so keep those coming. We're going to 304 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: forward those to her after the segment so that she 305 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: could read them all. But this is already going way 306 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: different than we thought this call was going to be. 307 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: So I don't know if the third question is going 308 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: to be relevant still, because again we write all the 309 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: questions before we know the answers. But the third question was, 310 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: how do I know this is really my biological mom? 311 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: My parents who raised me are both shocked and know 312 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: nothing about it. Do you have any proof? 313 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: That's still a valid question, I mean valid questions. Still, 314 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: we're like, what if this is still someone who's I mean, 315 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: she already lied about you know, the whole story. 316 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 5: Uh what did she say? 317 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: She wrote back, there are birth records that I had you, 318 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: and we both have the same color blonde hair as 319 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: I've shown you in the pictures I sent. I'm not 320 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: sure I'm ready for a DNA test, but it would 321 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: also prove it as well. Huh, I'm sorry, lady. She 322 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: keeps saying I'm sorry at the end of every answer, 323 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: so she clearly feels pretty bad. 324 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: But she shouldn't feel bad. 325 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: You have a great life, like I mean, if she 326 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: couldn't provide you with what you needed as a child. 327 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 5: I don't understand. So that means my parents are lying 328 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 5: or something, or she's lying. 329 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, somebody is not telling the truth in this situation, 330 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: that's for sure. 331 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: Maybe trying to protect you. One party is trying to 332 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: protect you from something. But let's go to the fourth 333 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: question because we are running out of time here. It says, 334 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: is there anything else that I should know about? What happened. 335 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: We like to leave it kind of open in general 336 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: for them to fill in the blanks. 337 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: Well, thank god we did, since we didn't know what 338 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: the hell was going on was. 339 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: Taking a turn. But your mom wrote back. She said, 340 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: there is obviously a lot to tell you, but I'm 341 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: sure you're angry at me about how I handled it. 342 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: I am getting older, though, and I just wanted to 343 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: have a chance to get to meet my daughter and 344 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: know you, She says. I don't expect you to forgive me, 345 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: but I would love to meet up with you in 346 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: person if you're willing. 347 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 5: I guess I just needs some time to think about it. 348 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm curious too, but I have so many 349 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 5: unanswered questions at this moment, even for my parents to 350 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 5: raise me. 351 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: You know, I know it feels like you have a 352 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: lot to deal with before you even think about meeting 353 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: up with this woman who claims to be your biological mom. Yeah, 354 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: like who's your dad then? 355 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 5: Too? 356 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: Like there's so many up. 357 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: This is a woman who, like we've tried to reach 358 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: out to on Facebook, and is clearly used to lying. 359 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: We don't know if any of this is actually true, 360 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: so I wouldn't necessarily come in with guns of blazing. 361 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I would come in super guard it. 362 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, somebody's lying to you, my 363 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: instinct would be this woman because you don't even know her. 364 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: You know, you would trust your parents more. 365 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: You need to bring your current parents with the biological 366 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: mom and have them meet and maybe something will be. 367 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: Comport What does your birth certificate say? 368 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 5: I don't know. I haven't really got it. 369 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: Go get it. 370 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 4: We'll wait. 371 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: Maybe you come back with it later. But I'm sorry. 372 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: I know this is a lot of information that was 373 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: just tossed on you. We'll give you some time to process. 374 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: But do you feel like maybe it helped get you 375 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: a step towards closure? 376 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 5: I feel like I have a lot more questions, to 377 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 5: be honest. 378 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, I was thinking opens everything up, doesn't 379 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: close anything. 380 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: We'll stay in touch with you and hopefully we can 381 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: do a closure call update and figure out what's really 382 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: going on if you do meet up with your biological mom, 383 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: if she is your biological mom. 384 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, thank you guys. 385 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: I just want to give you a hug right now. 386 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: Give me some happy piano music to play us out, 387 00:16:54,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: please tense? 388 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 4: All right? 389 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: That was a dramatic, A successful. 390 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: Closure, successful jeff at all. 391 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: All right, well it was a. 392 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: Closure call, yeah, with zero closure. 393 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: It's Brook and Jeffrey the other one in the morning. 394 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 3: That's what you get when you email us for help. 395 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.