WEBVTT - Part Four: How To Build An Army

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<v Speaker 1>What's clear in my throats. I'm Robert Evanson. This is

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<v Speaker 1>once again Behind the Bastards, the podcast where YadA YadA,

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<v Speaker 1>bad people talk about him whatnot. This is the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>chapter of my audiobook, The War on Everyone. It's our

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<v Speaker 1>second day recording it. I'm here with Cody Johnston, Katie Stole. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we are all higher than we were last time. Goodness

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<v Speaker 1>very much. The first time we were not high. We

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<v Speaker 1>were not We were all strung out too, yeah, tired.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're a little bit high. We're more than

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit high. We're more than a little bit high,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're not as strung out. So I have a

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<v Speaker 1>considerable assortment of throwing things around me that doesn't worry

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<v Speaker 1>me at all. Cody called this hyper normalization, um, because

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<v Speaker 1>I can no longer be satisfied with just just look

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<v Speaker 1>at this, tossing some fucking bagels. You to do nothing

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<v Speaker 1>for me, nothing for me. So I have a bag

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<v Speaker 1>of roughly twenty paper towel rolls. I have to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right before we started recording, Robert suggested that we all

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<v Speaker 1>get on helmets and armor and he would practice his

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<v Speaker 1>throwing knives. And that's a that's a null practice is

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<v Speaker 1>a strong word. I just want to throw knives one

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<v Speaker 1>episode and see if I could stick him in the

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<v Speaker 1>soundproofing on the wall. Yeah yeah, I mean I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue that we don't have to be here in front

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<v Speaker 1>of you for that. Well you could be on my side.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Okay, now that you've said that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw around knives and we're like, no, you can

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<v Speaker 1>say something a little bed you can have. I have

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<v Speaker 1>these throwing prinkles. You can throw some pringles. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a box of around twelve little hundred calorie packs of

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<v Speaker 1>pringles that are all in an open topped box together.

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<v Speaker 1>I am excited to throw that if I can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wing it. My my theory, because it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rectangular shaped, is if I can wing it like a frisbee,

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<v Speaker 1>I can get it to go straight until it hits

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<v Speaker 1>the wall and then bursts like a scatter bomb over

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<v Speaker 1>an Afghan wedding right right. If angle it properly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>you could get it on the stone boards. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that that's the dream. That's the dream, But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it might be a little bit unreasonably bounce out

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to start like sharing pictures of this

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<v Speaker 1>room so that people can get an idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. We did this morning there's Danil shared

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of the of the bagels that are stuck

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<v Speaker 1>on the top of the sound perfect I do have

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<v Speaker 1>a plan for those bagels and for if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>remember two months ago we threw the coffee mate on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the poison room. Um, so when we start

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<v Speaker 1>our new podcast, which will be named some variant of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst Year Ever, for the worst year of our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't we haven't quite set yere bad year for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad year, bad podcast, fine podcast about a bad, bad year.

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<v Speaker 1>In January. We should inaugurate the show by taking the

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<v Speaker 1>by that point, very very very stale bagels off of

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<v Speaker 1>the soundproofing and taking the very very very bad uh

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<v Speaker 1>coffee mate off of the top of the poison room

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<v Speaker 1>and having ourselves some coffee made bagels. Gross. That sounds awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Let's do it, terrible bagels to start

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible year. We can at least see what comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, choose some coffee cream. I mean it was

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<v Speaker 1>expired the last time we had. How much worse could

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<v Speaker 1>it get? One pump a portion of a cream curdled cream,

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<v Speaker 1>just like several several dusts. What that's the Joe Biden. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so he covered her mouth with that. Her reaction is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to place. No, what do other podcast talk about

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<v Speaker 1>before they start? Well, coach doesn't like for us to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about too much because we always feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've talked for like ten minutes at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. We have, we have, we have, but like

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<v Speaker 1>so we normally just talk. We um, we say whatever

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<v Speaker 1>holiday it is, happy, whatever, and we make a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of jokes or whatever about that, and then we get started.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your book? You know? It is my audio

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<v Speaker 1>book and there's a version of it with none of

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<v Speaker 1>this where it's just me reading it. So I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they've got options, So fuck it. Fuck them assholes

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<v Speaker 1>who donated money generously so that I do work theoretical

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<v Speaker 1>bastards that haven't actually complained, but that I'm imagining. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing, Sylphie read the book to it? Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we might be high. It's it's possible. Chapter four, How

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<v Speaker 1>to Build an Army Fun times. Everything you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>read about in this chapter or listen about here about

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<v Speaker 1>in this chapter I wrote here, but I said read

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. Maybe because I'm reading is documented history.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the need to emphasize that here at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>because the history I'm about to discuss is very much underreported.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of this is probably not stuff you heard about,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not in a textbook, And the question of why

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<v Speaker 1>that is the case is a really good one, because

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<v Speaker 1>the story that I'm going to tell in this chapter

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<v Speaker 1>is the story of a bloody, vicious, and exceptionally deadly

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<v Speaker 1>insurgency that, had a few things broken differently, might have

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<v Speaker 1>plunged the nation into mass violence. As it was, hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and hundreds of people were killed, and the killing continues

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<v Speaker 1>to this day. A weird way to read that last

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<v Speaker 1>line there. Yeah, this story of the story of this

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<v Speaker 1>insurgency starts, as most stories of insurgencies do, with a

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<v Speaker 1>single guy. Now, this guy's name was Louis Beam. Guys

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<v Speaker 1>remember talking about Louis Beam a little bit in our

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<v Speaker 1>Border episode? Um is he uh? One of the He's

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<v Speaker 1>one of them? Listiamen that yep, yep had a border

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<v Speaker 1>KKK guy. He had a lot to say, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to say, so like me, Louis Beam was a Texan.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in ninety six in Lufkin, Texas. And

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<v Speaker 1>I had a roommate who was from Lufkin. Once he

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<v Speaker 1>used to drunkenly punch out light bulbs. But that's neither

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<v Speaker 1>here nor there. Um fun guy Sam was his name.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to hear sometimes it's that's the whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>He would get drunk and he would punch light bulbs.

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<v Speaker 1>He was seven ft tall. Okay, so Lefkin alright. Wi.

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<v Speaker 1>Beam was from Lefkin. He grew up in the America

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<v Speaker 1>that modern conservatives still longingly hearkened back to. His parents

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<v Speaker 1>were working class people, and his father served in combat

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<v Speaker 1>during World War Two. That tradition inspired Beam to enlist

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<v Speaker 1>in the army at age nineteen. He had a pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>wife at this point and every reason to avoid conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>but Beams sought out a baptism by fire and he

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<v Speaker 1>got it. So when Beam entered the U. S. Military,

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<v Speaker 1>he was entering an organization that, for the very first time,

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<v Speaker 1>was racially integrated. Vietnam was the first war where like

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<v Speaker 1>black guys and white guys would fight and mixed units

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<v Speaker 1>and black people were allowed to do all the jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, um, now This did not sit well with

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<v Speaker 1>Beam because he was a big supporter of George Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>You might remember from the last Segregation Forever fella. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of common you know, idols and heroes and

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<v Speaker 1>people that these people towards. Yeah, they're all connected in

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<v Speaker 1>at least two or three ways. Part of the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>putting this together was figuring out, like where to stop

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<v Speaker 1>talking about their connections, like with Matt Brack and the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who wrote the third series of books inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>the Turner Diaries, also a guest on Alex Jones's show. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of these sea And at what

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<v Speaker 1>point is it? Are you saying it too much? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like taking the time to from it? Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So Louis Beam joins the military, love and segregation and

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<v Speaker 1>George Wallace. Uh, and yeah, he's frustrated by the military

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<v Speaker 1>that he finds himself in frustrated it serving alongside black people.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, Beam and several of his most racist

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<v Speaker 1>comrades hang Confederate flags in their barracks and active protest

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<v Speaker 1>against the civil rights movement. That was the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>to protest during the Vietnam War. So that's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>Beam is super psyched about Vietnam, hates black people being

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<v Speaker 1>able to drink from the same water. Fans Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>Bring the war Home by Kathleen Blue provides good context

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<v Speaker 1>for the nature of racial strife among the U S

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers in Vietnam during the time Beam enlisted. Quote will

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<v Speaker 1>white and black soldiers faced combat together, the rear echelon

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<v Speaker 1>was intensely segregated. One black soldier described Saigon as just

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<v Speaker 1>like Mississippi. In Beams camp at Chiu Chi and Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>black and white soldiers frequently exchanged insults, slights, and blows.

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<v Speaker 1>Beam served in the twenty Aviation Battalion at a moment

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<v Speaker 1>of escalating racial tensions. As the language of black power

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<v Speaker 1>circulated between home and battlefront, black soldiers created a culture

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<v Speaker 1>of a frozen black berets greeting each other with fist bumps.

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<v Speaker 1>Some white soldiers in the twenty five reported feeling alienated

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<v Speaker 1>are threatened because of such actions. Klansman, serving as active

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<v Speaker 1>duty personnel in Vietnam announced plans for cross burnings and

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<v Speaker 1>spray painted racial epithets on rear echelon buildings. By nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps recorded more than a thousand incidents of

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<v Speaker 1>racial violence and installations, both in Vietnam and back home. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually I've never heard that before. That you never

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<v Speaker 1>hear that story. Yeah, I'm not surprised. But also back

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<v Speaker 1>in the States there were murders and lynchings on military bases. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course there were. I can't stop using those voice

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<v Speaker 1>of like mild interest, not not appropriate for this. Uh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty four, four members of the United Clans

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<v Speaker 1>of America murdered a Black Army Reserve lieutenant colonel. Later

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties, the Camp Pendleton Clan chapter reached

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred members in size and carried out a campaign

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<v Speaker 1>of shootings, fire bombings, torture, and harassment of black marines.

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<v Speaker 1>Beam did not join the United Clans until after he

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<v Speaker 1>was discharged from service, but he served in a military

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<v Speaker 1>where racial violence was common and where membership in extremist

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<v Speaker 1>groups by uniformed service members was also common. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not illegal yet you could openly be a clansman and

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<v Speaker 1>serving the U. S. Military. At this point. That changes

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of some of the things that happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the story. It's a good change, yea positive change.

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<v Speaker 1>Good move. Maybe soldiers shouldn't have the right to join

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that urge the enslavement of huge chunks of the populace.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the It's no, it's a quarter of soldiers. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of active duty in the u S. Soldiers. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not our members have have met white supremacists at some

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<v Speaker 1>point during their time. So yeah, yeah, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of them are experienced. Yeah it's common though, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah common. Yeah. Beam was a helicopter doorgunner. He manned

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty caliber machine gun on a Huey and by

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<v Speaker 1>his own recollection, killed over fifty people. Um, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>he had he had a hardcore job. He saw some

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore combat. He expressed appreciation for quote the joys of

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<v Speaker 1>killing your enemy, but he also struggled with what would

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<v Speaker 1>later become known as PTSD. Beam and many others at

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<v Speaker 1>the time called it post Vietnam stress syndrome because again,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is not something people really had vocabulary for it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>after coming home from the war, he said this to

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<v Speaker 1>an undercover reporter at a KKK event. Quote, after I

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<v Speaker 1>got home from the war, things didn't seem like they

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<v Speaker 1>were before I went to Vietnam. Everything seemed different. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole climate of the nation had changed. Before I went

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<v Speaker 1>over to fight, most of the people seemed behind US soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>but when I returned, it seemed the majority of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>were against us, against the war as a whole. So

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't see that as a good thing. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sees it as like a stab in the back

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<v Speaker 1>sort of tuation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's never happened to

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<v Speaker 1>a soldier before later turned into a fascist revolutionary. Louis

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<v Speaker 1>Bim came home in nineteen sixty eight and almost immediately

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<v Speaker 1>joined the KKK. He was racist, certainly, but the primary

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<v Speaker 1>hatred he developed in Vietnam was an intense discussed with

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<v Speaker 1>the left and with communism. In the early nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>he was involved in a spate of terroristic crimes, machine

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<v Speaker 1>gun attack on a Communist party headquarters in Houston, the

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<v Speaker 1>bombing of a left wing radio station. No one died

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<v Speaker 1>in these attacks, and he managed to avoid charges for

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<v Speaker 1>either of them. In nineteen seventy six, he switched to

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<v Speaker 1>a different section of the KKK, the Knights of the

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<v Speaker 1>ku klux Klan lived by a little tyke named David Duke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>d Duke, Yeah, so Duke had grown up as we

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<v Speaker 1>stayed in the last episode, reading Willis Carto's Western Destiny

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<v Speaker 1>paper and flirting with Nazism in college, dressing in his

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<v Speaker 1>SSU learn Well, he's a little bit, a little bit Nazism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he was wearing his S. S uniform as

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<v Speaker 1>a protest for a guy whose name I have forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>when he marched in it a been down to school's

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<v Speaker 1>free speech alley, but he also had an S. S uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>Duke's Knights of the Ku Klux Klan became the most

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<v Speaker 1>prominent clan group of the nineteen seventies, due in large

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<v Speaker 1>part to Duke's decision to wed the organization more closely

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<v Speaker 1>with outright Nazism and help organize clan border patrols to

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<v Speaker 1>stop migrants. Racial paranoia and fear of communism led to

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<v Speaker 1>a vast surgeon clan ranks throughout the nineteen seventies. What's

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<v Speaker 1>up coding to this racial paranoia? Yeah, this is never

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<v Speaker 1>this has never happened again, thankfully. In nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>there were an estimated sixty clansmen nationwide. By nineteen seventy nine,

0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.040
<v Speaker 1>that number had increased to ten thousand. Plus another seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand Clans sympathizers. So for a while, Duke seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty good pick for someone who might manage

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the role of being the next George

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Rockwell. He was charismatic and go to drawing media attention.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy eight and seventy nine, he became a

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<v Speaker 1>constant figure on American talk shows, who would have him

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<v Speaker 1>on because they thought he was funny. In nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>Willis Harte covered Duke's campaign for the Louisiana Senate in

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<v Speaker 1>an issue one of his weekly magazine, The National Spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Carto wrote, he sees the Clan not as a terrorist organization,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a political movement with ideological leadership now zing

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. Duke only one about one third of the vote,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was still seen rightly as a huge improvement

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<v Speaker 1>in the political fortunes of the fascist right. Gallup reported

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<v Speaker 1>that the number of Americans with favorable opinions of the

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<v Speaker 1>Clan nearly doubled from nineteen nineteen seventy five. Duke then

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<v Speaker 1>represented the best hopes of main streamers in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, Beam and a number of other clansmen would

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<v Speaker 1>wind up on the side of the Vanguardists. One of

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<v Speaker 1>these other men was Bill Wilkinson, a former mid level

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<v Speaker 1>leader in Duke's clan who created his own group, the

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<v Speaker 1>Invisible Empire, in the late nineteen seventies. Bill was noteworthy

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<v Speaker 1>for his sheer willingness to make violent threats, saying in

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<v Speaker 1>an interview, I'm the only clan member who believes in

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<v Speaker 1>having guns around. These guns aren't for shooting rabbits, therefore

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<v Speaker 1>wasting people, cool, cool company, wonderful thing to just publicly

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<v Speaker 1>say today, loud, very loud. If he were saying that today,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be posting it on Facebook, and there would

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<v Speaker 1>be a minion in the background on all those little

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<v Speaker 1>image messages. Maybe. In nineteen seventy nine, Wilkinson's clan protested

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<v Speaker 1>a march by the Southern Christian Leadership Conference Indicatur, Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>They showed up with clubs and wound up fighting with

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<v Speaker 1>both the marchers and the local police. Gunfire ensued and

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<v Speaker 1>three people were wounded. No one was killed, but that

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<v Speaker 1>would change November nineteen eighty, when Wilkinson's clan marched against

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<v Speaker 1>communist demonstrators in Greensboro, North Carolina. Now, have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>of Greensboro, North Carolina. Yeah, it's a long story that

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<v Speaker 1>we won't be getting into enough detail in this because

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<v Speaker 1>we just have to so much to cover. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a clash between the communists in between the klansmen, and

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<v Speaker 1>the clansmen opened fire, killing five of the protesters, and

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<v Speaker 1>their stories of them like specifically targeting black protesters and

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<v Speaker 1>like not shooting white ones. It's it's it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a murder. They murder five people. Now, later investigation reveals

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<v Speaker 1>that police were complicit in the massacre, actively directing officers

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<v Speaker 1>away from the side of the protest in order to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that no law enforcement was present when the clan attacked,

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<v Speaker 1>aside from an FBI agent who was embedded with the

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<v Speaker 1>clan attackers but did nothing to stop them from firing

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<v Speaker 1>into the crowd. Cool, yeah, go FBI. Why would you?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you do anything in that situation. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those surprising yeah. Now, none of the killers in

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<v Speaker 1>Greensboro were found guilty. In a subsequent criminal trial, they

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<v Speaker 1>argued that opening fire into the crowd, often when the

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<v Speaker 1>back of moving vehicles, had been justified because of the

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<v Speaker 1>threat to their lives. Posed by the communists. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>communists are inherently dangerous. There's one thing we know about communists. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love these feelings that all these people are gravitating towards. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I us legal facts, do care about their feelings. I wish,

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<v Speaker 1>like it would be cool if like someone who embodies

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these things became the leader of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>That would probably end well, would be interesting to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to watch, like a guy. And yeah, I like, now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about real history rather than your nonsense fantasizing.

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<v Speaker 1>Just what happened, not crazy theories about the future. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just like what if? Like all right. So, Greensboro

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge moment for the clan, and it was seen,

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<v Speaker 1>as many within the American fascist movement as nothing less

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<v Speaker 1>than the first shots fired in a war to take

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<v Speaker 1>back their country from communist infiltraders. The Greensboro Clansmen went

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<v Speaker 1>on to become heroes in the movement, giving speaking tours

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<v Speaker 1>and acting as living billboards for the cause. So that's cool,

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<v Speaker 1>very cool. It's so pretty cool. And this brings us

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<v Speaker 1>back to Louie Beam. While he was not president Greensboro,

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<v Speaker 1>Beam kept extremely busy in the late nineteen seventies. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine, Dang Joping, the leader of China at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, visited the United States. When he arrived in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>Beam attempted to spray him with red paint in the

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<v Speaker 1>lobby of his hotel. He was punched out by a

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<v Speaker 1>security guard. Later variations of the story would mark it

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<v Speaker 1>down as an assassination attempt against the Chinese statesman, but

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<v Speaker 1>the reality seems to have been much dumber than that.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just trying to cover him with paint, paint

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<v Speaker 1>him red because he's communist. That's such a like cheap attempts.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the seventies, okay, everything was a little more primitive,

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<v Speaker 1>except for Indiana Jones movies. Great time. Yeah, speaking of

0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Indiana Jones movies, you know what else is perfect art?

0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.920
<v Speaker 1>What the products and services and stuff that represents the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And unlike Indiana Jones, it was not made with the

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<v Speaker 1>female protagonists being initially envisioned as a fourteen year old.

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't talk about that. Well, we're back. Sophie just

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<v Speaker 1>opened an enormous bag of chips, made a tremendous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of noise. Yeah, it was so loud, really really unprofessional.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can't believe you, Sophie, excited to see what

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<v Speaker 1>I throw next. Speaking of professional we're back. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert lecturing about professionalism. I'm a I'm a consummate professional.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you anything yet? Yeah, except for those bagels. I

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<v Speaker 1>started throwing bagels and they brought me no joy now

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.399
<v Speaker 1>because I've just moved past that, but not past throwing.

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<v Speaker 1>Never moved past throwing. So when we last left Louis Beam,

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<v Speaker 1>he had tried to literally paint Dang Jiao Ping red

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<v Speaker 1>and gotten the ship punched out of him by a

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<v Speaker 1>security GUARDA that will be the most emotionally satisfying beat

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<v Speaker 1>of this story. The rest is just frustrating. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>right around the same time he was attacking Danja Pain

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<v Speaker 1>with paint uh, Louis Beam began to operate a paramilitary

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<v Speaker 1>training camp in Oklahoma called Camp Polar. White supremacists would

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<v Speaker 1>gather there to train and combined arms techniques and prepare

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<v Speaker 1>for it to fight in a civil war against communists, Blacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jews. Attendees with military experience were encouraged to wear

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<v Speaker 1>their medals in insignia over their clan fatigues. So I

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<v Speaker 1>found an interesting article from U p i UH in

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<v Speaker 1>November of nineteen eighty that covered this camp and a

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<v Speaker 1>little kerfuffle it ran into legally when they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>brought a bunch of Boy Scouts over. Quote a Ku

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<v Speaker 1>Klux klansman who says he is prepared to do battle

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<v Speaker 1>against communists and homosexuals and structs explorer Scouts and Civil

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<v Speaker 1>Air Patrol cadets and guerilla warfare techniques at a paramilitary camp.

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<v Speaker 1>A newspaper reports. The post, which has not been fully

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<v Speaker 1>chartered by the Boy Scouts of America, is run by

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Johnson Sente of Deer Park, who denies he as

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<v Speaker 1>a clan member, and Lewis Beam of Pasadena, the Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon of the Texas. I am proud to be a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the clan, said Bogert, a former marine from

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<v Speaker 1>the Port, Texas, who said he had been a member

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<v Speaker 1>for two years. There are only two groups. I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>battle with communists and homosexuals. That's the basic reason I

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<v Speaker 1>joined the clan. Yeah, what a statement, what a man.

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<v Speaker 1>The Grand Dragon just a simple paramilitary training camp teaching

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<v Speaker 1>Boy Scouts. It's not a clan camp. It's just run

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<v Speaker 1>by the Grand Dragon of the clan and another random guy. Unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 1>just a guy. The article notes that the concerns about

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<v Speaker 1>the camp were initially sparked when parents of Explorer scouts

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<v Speaker 1>and Civil Air Patrol cadets complained that their fifteen and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen year old sons were learning guerilla warfare techniques and

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<v Speaker 1>racial slurs from leaders of the camp, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>a thing to complain as a parent. I usually think

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.119
<v Speaker 1>parents are being too sensitive about stuff like this, but

0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:01.640
<v Speaker 1>not stuff actually yeah soft these days. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kids are still too soft. But maybe it's bad for

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<v Speaker 1>the KKK to teach them how to fight a war.

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<v Speaker 1>The other guy, Well, yeah, you're right. The other guys

0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.560
<v Speaker 1>not with the KK So I guess that's fine. Yeah,

0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.920
<v Speaker 1>we got both sides. That's why all of us kids

0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:21.640
<v Speaker 1>are pussies because we didn't grow up been talking like

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<v Speaker 1>you get it, we're all I just gave up. Yeah,

0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.880
<v Speaker 1>how can you? So, if there's anything to edit out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that no, no, no, no, no, send him a verity, katie.

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 1>That's what this is. So uh yeah, the parents complained. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Civil Air Patrol Major Paul Renfro, who invested gated the camp,

0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>stated to the newspaper quote. There was nothing boy scout

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<v Speaker 1>about it. They were on maneuvers, they were firing unloading

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<v Speaker 1>using live ammunition, and the parents were very upset because

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<v Speaker 1>they were told nothing about this. These guys misled the Scouts.

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<v Speaker 1>So Camp Puller was you know, shut down after this

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:08.120
<v Speaker 1>as resulted the controversy, but not forever. Oh no, Now,

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Camp Pollar came together again during a very different time

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<v Speaker 1>in the US, So the fact that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys were active due to U S service members

0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 1>was not a problem. Uh. It was also consequently a

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<v Speaker 1>time in what's weapon theft and the smuggling of military

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.240
<v Speaker 1>grade armaments like rocket launchers to civilian militias and terrorist

0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 1>groups was incredibly common. So might be tied together those

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<v Speaker 1>two things. I don't know what you're talking about. So

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nineteen, as I write this episode, the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Oregon is currently ground zero for a resurgent

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.280
<v Speaker 1>militia movement. You can trace the start of our most

0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 1>recent band of troubles back to the standoff at the

0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Bundy Compound in Bunkerville, Nevada, which led to the occupation

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>of Malhair Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. A number of the

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 1>men who were involved in that are currently helping state

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.199
<v Speaker 1>level Republican legislators hide in Idaho or where. When I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this, they've since come back after getting their way

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 1>because they threatened people with violence. Um. Yeah, so even

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<v Speaker 1>from that brief summary, it should be obvious groups like

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<v Speaker 1>this work. They don't have the numbers to enforce their

0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 1>will democratically, but they do have guns, which they used

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 1>to threaten people with horrible violence to get what they want.

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 1>They're gambling on the fact that nobody else will deploy

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 1>violence against them because for some weird reason, those people

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 1>would be seen as having started it. Yeah, so we're

0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 1>all what it all is that angry? Angry angry. Yeah,

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:27.239
<v Speaker 1>it's anti democratic. Yeah, but it's fine for them now.

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.400
<v Speaker 1>If they were Puerto Rican would not be okay, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why the Puerto Rican group that attacked the capital

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<v Speaker 1>with guns got wiped out and uh I think executed. Uh.

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It was bad for them, but cool to do it. Yeah,

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're that it was like in the seventies or eighties,

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 1>there was like an attack by a puerter terrorist group.

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I should have looked this up before bringing it up,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, wend circle around. It's they got heavily punished, yeah,

0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 1>but but not not so much this pardoned. Yes they do,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy. Uh. So you know, when these people are

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<v Speaker 1>not confronted and forced to face consequences for breaking the law,

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 1>they continue to push. Which is what we've seen with

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>all the guys involved in the Bundy standoffs who have

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<v Speaker 1>now continued to push local laws and stuff in Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's what we saw with Louis Beam in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen eighties. He and his fellow klansmen had not

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 1>been punished for greensborow they hadn't really been punished for

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Camp Fuller, and so Beam started looking for more opportunities

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>for he and his men to enforce their own rule

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 1>of law in places where they felt the government wouldn't

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>have the guts to stand up to them. Greensboro obviously,

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>had been proof positive of how well this would work.

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<v Speaker 1>So Beam looked south from Camp Puller and he saw

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Sea Drift, Texas. He thought it was

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>another place where he and his comrades might be able

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to exercise their will and force the cowardly state to

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>flee before them. Now, Sea Drift was a crabbing town

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.360
<v Speaker 1>with a population of about a thousand people. Life there

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.640
<v Speaker 1>had been recently disrupted by the arrival of roughly one

0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Vietnamese refugees overnight. Seedrift went from a very homogeneous culture

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>where everybody spoke English to a town where only ninety

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>percent of the people spoke English. It's toms, that's why genocides. Yeah,

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>so that on its own might not have been an issue.

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.719
<v Speaker 1>But the Vietnamese families proved to be extremely good at

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>fishing for crabs. They worked together in large collaborative family

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>fishing groups and worked more efficiently and effectively than the

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>native crabbers of sea drifts. That's going to be a problem. Now,

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:31.479
<v Speaker 1>you'd think capitalism, being capitalism, they'd just be rewarded for this. Yeah, Nope.

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.639
<v Speaker 1>In August ninety nine, there was a dispute over the

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>distance between two sets of crab traps a fighting suit,

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>and a white crabber was shot dead to Vietnamese crabbers

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>were acquitted for the shooting on self defense grounds. So

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>so far, what happened next will sound very familiar. Rumors

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>began to percolate that the Vietnamese refugees were being funded

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 1>on sketchy government welfare checks, but they smuggled gold out

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of Vietnam before they'd fled. Several of the men in

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Sea Drift were Vietnam veterans, and the scars of war

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>hardened their hatred to their new neighbors. Which was ironic

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 1>because the Vietnamese refugees who settled in Seadrift did so

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>because they'd sided with the Americans and worked with the

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>South Vietnamese government and it had to flee the country

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:13.159
<v Speaker 1>when the Communists took over. They had way more costing

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Communism than who were angry. Really ironic, fortunate, Yeah, communicate. Well,

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>this is another thing that I didn't know about. Yeah,

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>little talks about Drift anymore. Drift good name for a

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 1>crabbing town, is a good name for it? Is? Absolutely Yeah,

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you could see like the movie starting I'm imagining what's

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>his name, the guy who played Sheriff Brody and Jaws.

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 1>He was in Sequest too, incredible acting. Roy Scheider. I'm

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>imagining Roy Scheider was the sheriff of this little town. Yeah, okay,

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I can accept that. I wish Roy Scheider was still

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>alive so they can make a he wants the Draft movie?

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.040
<v Speaker 1>What for this movie? I want to see drifting of

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a Yeah, not SeaQuest. We got enough seaquests. Yeah, the

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>SeaQuest cameo a movie called Sea Drift. You know, you

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>know what we could have, We could have, We could

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 1>have the big boat and SeaQuest comes saved the day

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>with that dolphin. That's spoilers, but saves the day. That

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>is not what happens. So uh. In nineteen eighty, the

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>first of these new immigrants to See Drift earned their

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>American citizenship. This provoked a paroxysm of rage. Three Vietnamese

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.719
<v Speaker 1>boats and one mobile home where fire bombed. There were beatings.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>One man pulled a gun on a Vietnamese fisherman walking

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 1>across the deck and shot him in the leg. Louis

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Beam and his clan waded into this mess with glee

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>and consummate expertise. They started putting out reams of propaganda

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>newsletters and magazines, calling the Vietnamese refugees boat people and

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>accusing them of being riddled with tuberculosis and malaria. Clan

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>propaganda also sought to stoke fears that the new immigrants

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>would sexually assault local white women. Yeahs. The clan even

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>named their activities and Sea Drift operation hymn Line, a

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>reference to the modest, decent white women that were supposedly protecting.

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>In one interview with the reporter, a Klansman and Seddrift. Instead,

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Galveston Bay is just like a fine woman. If you're

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>rape her, she's never good anymore. The clan awful. Yeah,

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>no comment. Also, how do you rape a bay? Yeah?

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean actually Charles Coke could answer that question about

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>this bay because he's largely responsible for ruining Galveston Bay.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 1>He's had his way with guy, do you He's had

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>his way with Galveston Bay, and it's no good anymore.

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>That old sea song, do you know the way to Galveston? No,

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>we're you know what, I'm angry that we got high

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>with do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna throw

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the box at wrangles. Wait wait, you know what I

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>got to do this? Yeah, I knew that would happen.

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>That was a real problem. It rained the pringles, It

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>rained pringles everywhere the box. That's exactly what you wanted everywhere.

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>So happy about it about how that works to clear

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>their little their little containers of pringles. There aren't like

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>individual pringled chips everywhere. That would cause that would cause mice.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what I love is how satisfying that is

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>on a podcast. M hm, m hm. You have to

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.479
<v Speaker 1>take pictures of it. You have to take pictures of it.

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>She's shaking your head. Now, she's ashamed, as she should

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>be anyway, scouraging it. On January, the Vietnamese owns shrimping

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>vessel Tru dB, was lit on fire in its dock.

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>The next night, another Vietnamese shrimping boat was burned. Local

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>police reported seeing four white males and clan robes starting

0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the fires. Wait, was there was there a fifth person? Nope? Nope, alright,

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's probably the clan. Would it be a

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>basketball team if it were fine, the Texas Longhorns. Yeah,

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>so this would prove to be but a prelude. In February,

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the Texas KKK held a massive clan really in Santa Fe, Texas,

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>drawing three or four hundred armed paramilitaries. As master of ceremonies,

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Louis Beim burned a small rowboat named the U S. S.

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Viet Cong. He told the gathered klansmant to pay attention

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>to his technique because he was illustrating the proper way

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to destroy a boat by arson. This was illegal because reasons.

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>He decried the theft of the job security of real

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Americans by immigrants and promised that if the Vietnamese fishermen

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and sea drifted and flee by May fifteenth, the KKK

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>would quote take matters into its own hands. In March,

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>robed klansmen started carrying out armed boat patrols of the

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Galveston Bay, wielding assault rifles and displaying an effigy of

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a lynched Vietnamese person on the rigging of their boat.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Several Vietnamese families living on the water fled their homes

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>after close passes by the clan's armed patrol. There are

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>pictures you can find of these patrols, and they are

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>quite shocked to behold. This is crazy. This is a revolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the clan taking over law enforcement of a

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>town to enforce their laws. It's so terrifying. Yeah. In

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>one of these yeah that this just happened. Yeah, it's

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>just happened. In one of these patrol pictures, we see

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 1>seven men and one young woman in a mix of

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>clan robes and military fatigues. They wear rifles and stare

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>out with certainly expressions into the sea. Most of them

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>are overweight, and on an individual basis, they look distinctly

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>observed in their costumes and military gear, But there is

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>nothing funny about the broader image of the squadron of

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>armed and uniform racists enforcing their own laws on American soil. Yeah. Yeah,

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like if you just make fun of

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>these people for appearing absurd, Uh, it allows them to

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of dangerous ship without getting taken seriously.

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Ye yeah, what if one of them was like the

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>leader of the country, him in a military uniform, Like

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>he'll do it eventually. No, yeah, and it's going to

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>spawn like a bunch of jokey hashtags. I hope that

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>never happened. Yeah, it's okay. I'll call him drump and

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that'll deal with the problems. That'll that'll show him. So.

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Camp Poler had closed briefly after their controversy with the

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>recruiting Boy Scouts, but it reopened in April of n

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>which was just fine. For some reason, dozens of uniform

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>militiamens again showing up again, firing their guns past the

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>homes of several black families who lived nearby on their

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>own land. The local sheriff complained that he could do

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>nothing because quote, no one has filed a complaint. They

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>won't file complaints because they fear reprisal or potential reprisal. Sure, yeah,

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that guy qualifies as the good guy in this story.

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Because the mayor of Kima, a small neighboring town to

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>See Drift, where many of the threatened Vietnamese fishermen lived,

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>was less sympathetic. He admitted that the site of klansmen

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and robes was disturbing, but declared I don't have any

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>reason to believe the Vietnamese or not safe. Oh my god,

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the boat's being litten on fire. Might be might be

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>one the guy that got shot in the leg, frustrating

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the lynched effigy of a Vietnamese fisherman long ago. No,

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>this is like cheers is on the air. Dr Frasier

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Crane had taken to the screen. If I'm not mistaken,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe not by one? Was it eight two? Oh?

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.719
<v Speaker 1>So he's holding up two fingers because it's times you

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.479
<v Speaker 1>look up when she started, so that I can when

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>she did that. Yeah, because if if Frasier Crane was around,

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>so Frasier Crane should have said something about this. At

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>least it's a cold open. Yeah, yeah, at least they're

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>cold open. Doesn't have to it doesn't have to be

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>about it. Okay, Well, we're gonna pull the ads now

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.760
<v Speaker 1>because I can't keep up with with all these Cheers gags.

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>So we're back are We're not talking about Cheers anymore

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know enough about Cheers to joke about it,

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, Yes, moving on, moving one. Ers. You know,

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I only know them for their cameos on Frasier, the

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>show I did watch. Yeah, she wasn't both. Yeah, it

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>turns out I know a lot about Cheers characters. Okay,

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I just know what I learned about them in Frasier. Anyway,

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the book A little Bit, A little Bit, So help

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>did not come from the local government or rare or

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. Instead, it came from the Southern Poverty Law Center,

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>who helped a group of Vietnamese fishermen file suit against

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Beam showed up

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to court wearing his clan robes, carrying a gun and claimed,

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm only charged with loving this country. Again. He wore

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>a gun to his own trial and at one point

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>challenged Morris D's, the lawyer for the SPLC, to a

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 1>duel to the death. This guy did he accept? No, No,

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>we did not. Eventually, however, the sunlight of the court

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>case acted as a moderate disinfectant, or at least the

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>first sign of real resistance, finally checked the clan's escalating

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>use of force. During the trial, video was played a

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Beam training militiamen at Camp Puller. In that segment, he

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.760
<v Speaker 1>was seen advising his soldiers on how to conduct themselves

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:51.720
<v Speaker 1>in battle. He said, quote utterly destroy everybody, maximum damage,

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>maximum violence in the shortest period of time. They can

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>do only one thing. Die. This did not go over

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 1>well in court. Finally, on a third, nineteen eight nine,

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>under an avalanche of death threats, the judge issued a

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>court order demanding an into the clan harassment Beams paramilitary group.

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Camp Puller and four other far right militia training camps

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>in the area were ordered shut down. The Vietnamese fishermen

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>had one, but Louis Beam was far from defeated. Not

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>eight nineteen nine, sorry n one. It's probably matter now, yeah,

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>much matter. It probably has like other plans. Now he

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>did start making other plans he continued to Yeah, spoilers,

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it ends with federal Actually. So. Beam continued to write speeches, newsletters,

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and articles in various far right journals of record, culminating

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>in his nineteen eighty three book Essays of a Klansman.

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>In this book, he encouraged his fellow fascist Vietnam veterans

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>to bring the war on home to the United States.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>While the legal prescriptions against Beam and his fellow klansmen

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>after Sea Drift were more effective than the complete exoneration

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.800
<v Speaker 1>they'd received after Greensboro, it effectively did nothing to actually

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>stop clan organizing. While the fascist right receided ever so

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>slightly in the first years after Reagan's election. By nine four,

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 1>America's Nazis had realized that the president was not going

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to be the quasi nationalist leader they'd hoped he might be.

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>How what what are they gonna do? Well? Nothing good? Yeah, yeah,

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>So the white power movement began to grow again after

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Reagan failed to ban abortion and reinstate segregation. I'm gonna

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>quote again from the book Bring the War Home. Quote.

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Scholars and watchdog groups who have attempted to calculate the

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>numbers of people in the movements varied branches, including for instance,

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Klansmen and Neo Nazis, who are often counted separately. Estimate

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that there were about twenty five thousand hardcore members in

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties. An additional hundred and fifty two hundred

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and seventy five thousand people bought white power literature, sent

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>contributions to groups, or attended rallies or other events, signifying

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a larger, although less formal Levell membership. Another four hundred

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand did not themselves participate or purchase materials,

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>but did read the literature. The John Birch Society and contrast,

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 1>reach only a hundred thousand members at its nineteen sixty

0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>five peak. That's cool, that's lot of people. So um.

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 1>We focus mostly on Louis Bim and the KKK and

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Neo Nazis during this chapter, but it's important to know

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that an awful lot of other fascist groups were active,

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>organizing and growing during this period. Militant right wing organizations

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.839
<v Speaker 1>popped up constantly throughout the nineteen eighties. One important group

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>was the Posse Coomatatis. In brief, the Posse's were a

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>series of militant anti government cells. They were believers of

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Christian identity theology, and these true Israelites also subscribed to

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a conspiratorial interpretation of American history in which all government

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 1>above the county level was fundamentally illegitimate. Posse believers felt

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.359
<v Speaker 1>the Federal Reserve and the i r s were part

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>of a Jewish plot to wipe out the white Man,

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and their view, the county sheriff was the only legitimate

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.439
<v Speaker 1>power in the land, and if he did not act

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 1>in accordance with the wishes of the county, he should

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 1>be hung by the neck until dead. Okay, slightly different flavor,

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 1>but I follow you see where this is going. So

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>as a big general rule, Posse members were big fans

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of hanging. Modern day sovereign citizens descend from the Posse coomatatis.

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 1>You can draw a direct line between them and many

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>modern militia movements, including the constitutional sheriffs who supported the

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Bundey Clan's malher occupation. In fact, when they got stopped

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>in that guy Lavoy Finning and got killed, it was

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>because the Bundy brothers were driving with some of their

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:16.280
<v Speaker 1>friends to go meet a constitutional sheriff. Of course, yeah cool.

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Appropriately enough, the first Posse Commatata cell was formed in Portland, Oregon,

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen Portland It's so weird, But POSSE beliefs

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>did not generate national awareness until nineteen eighty three, when

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Gordon Call got into a series of

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 1>gun fights with authorities. Call had declared himself a tax

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 1>protester in nineteen sixty seven, writing the I R S

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to let them know he would no longer pay taxes

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 1>to the quote Synagogue of Satan. He was a big

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>old Christian identity fan guest. He was arrested in nineteen

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.360
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, but got out on parole and went to

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>ground near Medina, North Dakota. A warrant was officially issued

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>for his arrest over parole violations, which prompted U S.

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Marshals to try and arrest him. While he and his

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 1>family were driving home from a POSSE related meeting in February,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 1>A shootout ensued and Call and his family killed to

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>federal marshals. Gordon went on the run after that, was

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>finally brought down in June after a vicious gunfight that

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>left in Arkansas sheriff and Call himself dead. By the

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>time Called died, the POSSE movement had metastasized into which

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>series of townships filled with white supremacist Christian identity believers

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:23.320
<v Speaker 1>who considered the federal government illegitimate, were heavily armed, fiercely independent,

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and more than willing to kill for their beliefs. This

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>was part of a broader trend on the far right

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen eighties to create autonomous enclaves for their

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>ideology and isolated rural communities. Another such group was the

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Arian Nations and Neo Nazi organization centered around a compound

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>in Hayden Lake, Idaho. On paper, the Nations were officially

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>a Christian identity church led by the self proclaimed Reverend

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Richard Butler. In the early nineteen eighties, Butler's group began

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to reach out to incarcerated white Americans, eventually leading to

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the formation of the Aryan Brotherhood, a Christian identity prison

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.919
<v Speaker 1>gang that remains influential today. That's where that comes from. Well,

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>that was a concise little run down to that. Did

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>you know that Arian Brotherhood were Christian identity believers? I

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't either, Yeah, cool, I didn't know that, It's all

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I started researching and stuff. Another Christian identity compound was

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and still was today Elohim City in Oklahoma. By the

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 1>early Elohem was a fully self sufficient community with its

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>own sawmill, crops and weapons ranges on four hundred sprawling acres.

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Elohim's operations were funded by a Transcontinental trucking company and

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.760
<v Speaker 1>construction business operated from the compound. The denizens of Elohim

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>considered American society to be decadent and sinful beyond salvation,

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 1>and they homeschooled their children and stockpiled weapons in anticipation

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 1>of societal collapse. I mean, I want to do all

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of that without the religion. Can we can? Can? I can?

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Can I just stockpile guns on a compound? I mean probably,

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that you can. Dreams. Seems like you can anyway.

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Donate to my go fund me by Robert A compound.

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>So you're stocking yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, guns, Maybe a

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>couple of legally bought rocket launchers. Chickens just to have

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>a police bear cat. Yeah, pig farm bodies. Sure. I

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>bet it would be illegal for me to do, he said, illegally,

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>describing a few things. You know what I did, I

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.439
<v Speaker 1>did well. I don't really want to come to that place. Oh,

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>come on, it'll be fine. It was fine with these people.

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>It was fine with these people. They got to do it.

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>But for how long they're still doing it? All right, man? Okay,

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>keep telling a story. There were numerous other far right

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>groups doing similar things around the country in the nineteen eighties,

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 1>and most of them fell either into the mold of

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the Lohan City urgent total separation from society, or the

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Area Nations attempting to build a white insurgency against the

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Zionist occupied government. These disparate groups were tied together loosely

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>by Christian identity beliefs and recruited heavily from the nascent

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>prepping movement that started to crop up in the nineteen eighties.

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 1>And Blood and Politics, Leonard Zeskin notes quote for William Pierce,

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>survivalist events became an opportunity for nationalists interested in self

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>preservation rather than the advancement of the white race, so

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>they start reaching out to these guys survivalist community around

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the time. Now Pierce's gold became to infuse white racial

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 1>consciousness into the survival movement and thus turn it from

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a disconnected community of armed loaners into something he could

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>use to bring about the revolution. He desired independently. Klansman

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Louis Beams Smith the Early nine is on a similar goal,

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>spreading white racial consciousness and a desire for revolution to

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>disaffected white Vietnam veterans. In two he wrote, America's political leaders, bankers,

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 1>church ministers, newsmen, sports stars, and hippies called us baby

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.319
<v Speaker 1>killers and through chicken blood on some of us when

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>we return home. You're damn right. I'm mad. I've had enough.

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I want these same traders to face their enemy now,

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the American fighting man. They betrayed, all three million of us.

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>This is the tact that Louis Beam takes. Beam wrote

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>articles in which he warned up a coming mass gun confiscation.

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>He told his readers to arm up and hide their

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>weapons and hope that the future might bring headlines like

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and this is Louis bs like what what he wrote

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:05.720
<v Speaker 1>as his hoped foreheadlines. Millions of formerly peaceful, law abiding

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 1>citizens up in arms, vigilantes of one and two persons

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>take law and to own hands. Politician cut in two

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>by shotgun blast as he steps from car. Federal judge

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>killed by bomb blast as he starts car. Judge found dead,

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.240
<v Speaker 1>hands tied behind back, throat cut U S Senator found

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>hanging from limb of Treon River Cool, cool and good,

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and cool and good. In June of two thousand nineteen,

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Walter Libkey, a Christian Democratic Union politician in Germany, was

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>shot dead by a neo Nazi terrorist. Lubkey was hated

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>for his support of Angela Merkel's open door refugee policy.

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>His killer head ties to larger organizations of German Nazi radicals,

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>which included members of law enforcement. On an unrelated note,

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>several weeks after this, members of a neo Nazi ring

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>within German law enforcement were found with a massive stockpile

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of arms and a list of politicians they planned to murder.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Now what's happened? Like weeks ago this one was Oh, yes,

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>this is the one I know about. This is the

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.839
<v Speaker 1>one that we all heard about. So that's cool. So

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>it kind of sounds like the headlines Beam wrote. Yeah,

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just okay when you hear about it like this everything,

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like there's all these stories and at first you think,

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>well that was so long. It's a crazy thing that happens,

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, this is fucking still happening. It's all

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the same you're talking. I start to think, like, maybe, well,

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's the first do you know what

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 1>the percentage of racist cops is now versus like that?

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's got to be more versus in comparison

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 1>toil later. I like, I like to think that, like

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 1>this all happened so long ago, and that things are

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>getting better, like there's a smaller percentage of people that

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>are this terrible. But it's not true. It's is what

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting at, is like what my thought process has been,

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.879
<v Speaker 1>honestly this whole episode, and like the like the roles

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 1>that those people gravitate towards. Anyway, we're still we're interrupting event.

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>That's your job. So, like many white nationalists in the

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eight what go on being expressed to growing the

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>satisfaction with the Republican Party in American conservatives in general,

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>he damped compromise and wrote that his readers should take

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>up the sword, adding the sword need not be literal,

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>although many of us would enjoy righteous fast, the righteous

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.360
<v Speaker 1>satisfaction from actually lopping off heads of the enemy a

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 1>sword in the year of our Lord nineteen eight one

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>can be an m sixteen three sticks of dynamite taped

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 1>together at twelve gage you can of gas or whatever

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>is suitable to carry out any commission of the Lord

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>that has been entrusted to you. Cool that this is

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>legal to write falks Lord. In three Lewis Beam published

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 1>an essay in the Interclan newsletter titled leaderless Resistance. This

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 1>is where that term comes from. In the essay, he

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 1>argued that the top down organization of traditional fascist groups

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>like his own clan, Rockwell's Nazi Party, and that successor

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>William Pierce his National Alliance, were fundamentally vulnerable to infiltration

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.879
<v Speaker 1>from law enforcement. This was backed up by the well

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 1>own fact that Rockwell's marches had often been half composed

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 1>of federal informants. It was also backed up by the

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>disastrous nine eight one attempted by several American clansmen to

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>conquer the island of Domenica. You guys, hear about that one? Yeah,

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's quite a tale. Domenica is a small island nation

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>near Venezuela. An assortment of neo Nazi commandos, including a

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>clan leader named Don Black, who had previously been the

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>driver of George Lincoln Rockwell's hate bus, had gathered enough

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 1>weaponry that they believed they could deploy enough force to

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 1>overthrow the prime minister of that country and install their

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>own government. Then they could use Domerica as a base

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 1>of operations and as a funding engine to support and

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 1>insurgency in the US. Now, I should note that a

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of those guys also just wanted to make money

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 1>by setting up casinos and stuff, so that there was

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.359
<v Speaker 1>a mix of people who just wanted money and Nazi mercenaries.

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the idea, right, Yeah, yeah, intersectionality exactly. The whole

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>thing fell apart before any of these guys could set sail.

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.360
<v Speaker 1>FBI agents arrested Tin Nazi commandos and New Orleans on

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 1>a rented boat filled with guns, dynamite bullets, and Confederate

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and Nazi flags. Don Black things to be with, great

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 1>things there, just cover all your bases. Don Black and

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>several of these other guys spent time in prison, and

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>when Black got out, he went on to found the

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>neo Nazi website Stormfront. Okay, that's where that comes from.

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>He's actually pretty minor part of the well, not minor,

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>he just wasn't a huge part of the Dominican thing.

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:21.919
<v Speaker 1>He's just kind of a kind of a guy there.

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:27.319
<v Speaker 1>He was just there. The is a big deal. So

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 1>after Dominica, fascist thinkers like Beam were eager to find

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a new way to organize that wouldn't just get them

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.800
<v Speaker 1>caught by the FBI. Yeah. As he noted in the

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Leader List Resistance, an infiltrator can destroy anything which is

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 1>beneath him in the pyramid of organization. In order to

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:44.439
<v Speaker 1>counter this, Beams suggested White supremacists adopt a cell type

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:48.280
<v Speaker 1>organization similar to those used by communist insurgencies. To quote

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Leonard Zeskin's bledded politics, small groups of people work together

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>but were known to only one another. Other small groups

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 1>worked independently, and the participants of one cell remained unknown

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to the personnel of another. Thus, an enemy infiltrator could

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>possibly betray one cell, but couldn't break up the entire underground.

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>While this cell structure was an improvement over the traditional pyramid,

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Beam decided it also had weaknesses. The problem was it

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:10.880
<v Speaker 1>required a central command to give directions to all the cells,

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and their new vision of vanguardism did not support one

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>single leadership being proposed. Instead, a structure of cells, like

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the communists, it's operating independently of the others, but without

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 1>a headquarters. Sounds like terrorism, Yes it does now. This

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>put Beam in direct opposition to William Pierces National Alliance

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and the idealized Neo Nazi insurgency he'd imagined in the

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Turner Diaries. The order had included a strong central structure

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 1>directing a series of semi independent cells and wielding them

0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>as weapons towards the greater goal disrupting society and rendering

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>it ungovernable. Piercing Beam in their separate camps were at Loggerheads,

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 1>but in nineteen eighty three a man came along with

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the vision to synthesize their dueling theories into one violent hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert J. Matthews was born in Marfa, Texas, on January six,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty three, each in the John Birch Society at

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<v Speaker 1>age eleven, yeah in nineteen seventy one, he was on

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<v Speaker 1>his way to enlist at Fort Wachuca, Arizona, when he

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<v Speaker 1>heard a radio report on the prosecution of Lieutenant Bill Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>the American officer who presided over the murder of hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of Vietnamese civilians in my ally. Matthews obviously thought the

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<v Speaker 1>killing of women and children was imminently justified in the

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<v Speaker 1>fight against communism. He decided not to join an army

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<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't let him kill children with impunity. We all

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<v Speaker 1>have to have values. Yeah, values are critical. I will

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<v Speaker 1>not stand for this and think that I was all

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<v Speaker 1>fired up to go to Vietnam until I learned that

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<v Speaker 1>my army prosecutes Oh no, thank you, thank you. I've

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<v Speaker 1>changed my mind about this guy. Good news is he

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<v Speaker 1>did still find a war to fight. Good. I could

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<v Speaker 1>see your worry written on your face. Was his destiny.

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<v Speaker 1>It was his destiny. Matthews first found himself drawn to

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<v Speaker 1>violand extremism as part of the tax protest movement. He

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<v Speaker 1>formed an anti communist militia called the Sons of Liberty

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<v Speaker 1>and the Time for Tax Fraud in the early nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Through his involvement with the survivalist movement, Matthews was gradually

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<v Speaker 1>trawn into the cause of white nationalism. He moved to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what shocking. He moved to Medeleine Falls, Washington in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid nineteen seventies, and in nineteen eighty he joined William

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<v Speaker 1>Pierce's National Alliance. Matthews fell in love with the Turner

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<v Speaker 1>Diaries and the vision of a possible white revolution. It provided.

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<v Speaker 1>His earliest on the ground activism involved a series of

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<v Speaker 1>childish fist fights with anti fascist protesters during a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>rally and Spokane. In a Spokane public park, he single

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<v Speaker 1>handedly fended off several anti fascists and earned a place

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<v Speaker 1>in Richard Butler's inner circle. And so Matthews was on

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<v Speaker 1>the Area Nation Compound in Idaho in July for the

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<v Speaker 1>yearly Congress of white power leaders. On that fine summer day,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred one of being an aryan revolutionary sat down

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<v Speaker 1>to plan the future of their movement. Louis Beam and

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<v Speaker 1>another fascist thinker, Robert Miles, seemed to have dominated the discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no minutes taken for such meetings, since what

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<v Speaker 1>was being planned at the congress was the violent insurgeon

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<v Speaker 1>overthrow of the U S government, but it is generally

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<v Speaker 1>accepted that the white supremacist leaders who assembled that day

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<v Speaker 1>walked away with two broad conclusions about their future. Number

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<v Speaker 1>one was the need to use computer networks to organize

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<v Speaker 1>and coordinate the leaderless resistance, Beam advocated. Number two was

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<v Speaker 1>the value of cell style organizations and taking the movement

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<v Speaker 1>forward into the future. The dreams were grand indeed, and

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Miles sought to establish a series of no less

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<v Speaker 1>than six hundred cells, each a hundred miles apart, so

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<v Speaker 1>the nuclear war they all thought was coming wouldn't wipe

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<v Speaker 1>them all out. Miles' theories were very much focused around

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<v Speaker 1>the importance of building a white supremacist movement that could

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<v Speaker 1>dominate America in the wake of a nuclear exchange with

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<v Speaker 1>the USSR. Bam anticipated Nuclear War two, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>more interested in building a network of terror cells that

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<v Speaker 1>could start carrying out attacks on enemies of the white

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<v Speaker 1>race and once. But in order to do all this,

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<v Speaker 1>Beam and as fellow fascists were going to need a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. Computer equipment was not cheap in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, and the insurgency they needed to build required

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<v Speaker 1>weapons to not just civilian weapons, military grade equipment rocket

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<v Speaker 1>launchers and machine guns bought from Bride military supply officers.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to fund all this, Miles suggested robbing armored cars,

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<v Speaker 1>and bit by bit a plan began to take hold.

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Beam and William Pierce has spent years sketching out

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<v Speaker 1>theories and passing up propaganda. They've been rewarded by an

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<v Speaker 1>American fascist movement that was hundreds of times larger and

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<v Speaker 1>more capable than anything George Lincoln Rockwell had commanded. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it was time to take the next step forward and

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<v Speaker 1>make the fantasies William Pierce had written down in the

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<v Speaker 1>Turner Diaries a reality. The man to do that would

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<v Speaker 1>be young Bob Matthews. So that's the end of this chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys having a good time. Um, yeah, happy, everybody

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>feeling good. I wish we hadn't smoked pot. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>we hadn't smoked pot earlier. But I'm a little less high.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. I'm a little less high, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>excited for this next chapter. I'm excited to throw these seats.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that giant bag of sun flower seats ever been opened?

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't been great excellent than Sophia wonderful. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a whole case of barrier and water that I do

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<v Speaker 1>think it might but Sophie took the the case away,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm very unhappy. But I am at some point

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<v Speaker 1>during this recording session going to steal the cans back

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<v Speaker 1>and throw them. Oh she wasn't on mike, but that

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 1>was a serious, serious, throw them at something. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do some damage. It doesn't seem like you're going through.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to believe it. What was that chapter called

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<v Speaker 1>how to build an Army? Yeah? Well there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go spelled it out for you. Yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what should I throw next? Yeah, you can do

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that something paper towels, yeah, soft and harm it before. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you should probably run. Yeah. Oh god, that was a throw,

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<v Speaker 1>did you You could have hurt yourself. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>big it's a huge the size of you, Katie. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time I met wave myself, I was twelve rolls

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of paper towels. So you're right, I wouldnt like a

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 1>square footage. Well that too. Yeah. So your website, Oh yeah,

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>do you go. I'm not finishing sentences. Well today, google

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<v Speaker 1>our names and the words like some more news, even

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 1>more news and the website or like platform that you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for Patreon and twitterings. Yeah, thanks Google dot com.

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.600
<v Speaker 1>And you can use Google dot com to find out

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<v Speaker 1>if I sell t shirts. He does, it's on public,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Katie. What else we don't have a website?

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Use Twitter. It's a great way with white nationalists. It

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<v Speaker 1>still is that. I mean, if you go to our Twitter.

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>You'll see great tweet like from this guy at Salt

0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Throne who wrote more like I pronounce okay, insulting Robert's

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Twitter a candle. That tweet was made days ago. Sophie

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<v Speaker 1>has saved it for this moment. That's a good burn.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good burn. She's really really really good. Excellent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah. That's at the end of the podcast.