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Speaker 1: What's clear in my throats. I'm Robert Evanson. This is

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Speaker 1: once again Behind the Bastards, the podcast where YadA YadA,

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Speaker 1: bad people talk about him whatnot. This is the fourth

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Speaker 1: chapter of my audiobook, The War on Everyone. It's our

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Speaker 1: second day recording it. I'm here with Cody Johnston, Katie Stole. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: we are all higher than we were last time. Goodness

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Speaker 1: very much. The first time we were not high. We

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Speaker 1: were not We were all strung out too, yeah, tired.

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Speaker 1: And now we're a little bit high. We're more than

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Speaker 1: a little bit high. We're more than a little bit high,

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Speaker 1: but we're not as strung out. So I have a

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Speaker 1: considerable assortment of throwing things around me that doesn't worry

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Speaker 1: me at all. Cody called this hyper normalization, um, because

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Speaker 1: I can no longer be satisfied with just just look

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Speaker 1: at this, tossing some fucking bagels. You to do nothing

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Speaker 1: for me, nothing for me. So I have a bag

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Speaker 1: of roughly twenty paper towel rolls. I have to say that.

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Speaker 1: Right before we started recording, Robert suggested that we all

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Speaker 1: get on helmets and armor and he would practice his

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Speaker 1: throwing knives. And that's a that's a null practice is

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Speaker 1: a strong word. I just want to throw knives one

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Speaker 1: soundproofing on the wall. Yeah yeah, I mean I would

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Speaker 1: argue that we don't have to be here in front

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Speaker 1: of you for that. Well you could be on my side.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, now that you've said that you want

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Speaker 1: to throw around knives and we're like, no, you can

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Speaker 1: say something a little bed you can have. I have

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Speaker 1: these throwing prinkles. You can throw some pringles. I have

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Speaker 1: I am excited to throw that if I can kind

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Speaker 1: of wing it. My my theory, because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: you're talking about. We did this morning there's Danil shared

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Speaker 1: a picture of the of the bagels that are stuck

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Speaker 1: a plan for those bagels and for if you guys

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Speaker 1: remember two months ago we threw the coffee mate on

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Speaker 1: top of the poison room. Um, so when we start

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Speaker 1: our new podcast, which will be named some variant of

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Speaker 1: the worst Year Ever, for the worst year of our lives,

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Speaker 1: we haven't we haven't quite set yere bad year for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Bad year, bad podcast, fine podcast about a bad, bad year.

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Speaker 1: In January. We should inaugurate the show by taking the

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Speaker 1: by that point, very very very stale bagels off of

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Speaker 1: hard to place. No, what do other podcast talk about

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Speaker 1: What is your book? You know? It is my audio

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Speaker 1: book and there's a version of it with none of

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Speaker 1: bastards that haven't actually complained, but that I'm imagining. Well,

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Speaker 1: we might be high. It's it's possible. Chapter four, How

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Speaker 1: with guns got wiped out and uh I think executed. Uh.

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00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: It was bad for them, but cool to do it. Yeah,

424
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: if you're that it was like in the seventies or eighties,

425
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: there was like an attack by a puerter terrorist group.

426
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: I should have looked this up before bringing it up,

427
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, wend circle around. It's they got heavily punished, yeah,

428
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: but but not not so much this pardoned. Yes they do,

429
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: oh boy. Uh. So you know, when these people are

430
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: not confronted and forced to face consequences for breaking the law,

431
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: they continue to push. Which is what we've seen with

432
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: all the guys involved in the Bundy standoffs who have

433
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: now continued to push local laws and stuff in Oregon.

434
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: And it's what we saw with Louis Beam in the

435
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties. He and his fellow klansmen had not

436
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: been punished for greensborow they hadn't really been punished for

437
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: Camp Fuller, and so Beam started looking for more opportunities

438
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: for he and his men to enforce their own rule

439
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: of law in places where they felt the government wouldn't

440
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: have the guts to stand up to them. Greensboro obviously,

441
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: had been proof positive of how well this would work.

442
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: So Beam looked south from Camp Puller and he saw

443
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: the town of Sea Drift, Texas. He thought it was

444
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: another place where he and his comrades might be able

445
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: to exercise their will and force the cowardly state to

446
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: flee before them. Now, Sea Drift was a crabbing town

447
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: with a population of about a thousand people. Life there

448
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: had been recently disrupted by the arrival of roughly one

449
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: Vietnamese refugees overnight. Seedrift went from a very homogeneous culture

450
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: where everybody spoke English to a town where only ninety

451
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: percent of the people spoke English. It's toms, that's why genocides. Yeah,

452
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: so that on its own might not have been an issue.

453
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: But the Vietnamese families proved to be extremely good at

454
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: fishing for crabs. They worked together in large collaborative family

455
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: fishing groups and worked more efficiently and effectively than the

456
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: native crabbers of sea drifts. That's going to be a problem. Now,

457
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: you'd think capitalism, being capitalism, they'd just be rewarded for this. Yeah, Nope.

458
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: In August ninety nine, there was a dispute over the

459
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: distance between two sets of crab traps a fighting suit,

460
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: and a white crabber was shot dead to Vietnamese crabbers

461
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: were acquitted for the shooting on self defense grounds. So

462
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: so far, what happened next will sound very familiar. Rumors

463
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: began to percolate that the Vietnamese refugees were being funded

464
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: on sketchy government welfare checks, but they smuggled gold out

465
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: of Vietnam before they'd fled. Several of the men in

466
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: Sea Drift were Vietnam veterans, and the scars of war

467
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: hardened their hatred to their new neighbors. Which was ironic

468
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: because the Vietnamese refugees who settled in Seadrift did so

469
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: because they'd sided with the Americans and worked with the

470
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: South Vietnamese government and it had to flee the country

471
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: when the Communists took over. They had way more costing

472
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: Communism than who were angry. Really ironic, fortunate, Yeah, communicate. Well,

473
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: this is another thing that I didn't know about. Yeah,

474
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: little talks about Drift anymore. Drift good name for a

475
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: crabbing town, is a good name for it? Is? Absolutely Yeah,

476
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: you could see like the movie starting I'm imagining what's

477
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: his name, the guy who played Sheriff Brody and Jaws.

478
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: He was in Sequest too, incredible acting. Roy Scheider. I'm

479
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: imagining Roy Scheider was the sheriff of this little town. Yeah, okay,

480
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: I can accept that. I wish Roy Scheider was still

481
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: alive so they can make a he wants the Draft movie?

482
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: What for this movie? I want to see drifting of

483
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: a Yeah, not SeaQuest. We got enough seaquests. Yeah, the

484
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: SeaQuest cameo a movie called Sea Drift. You know, you

485
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: know what we could have, We could have, We could

486
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: have the big boat and SeaQuest comes saved the day

487
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: with that dolphin. That's spoilers, but saves the day. That

488
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: is not what happens. So uh. In nineteen eighty, the

489
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: first of these new immigrants to See Drift earned their

490
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: American citizenship. This provoked a paroxysm of rage. Three Vietnamese

491
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: boats and one mobile home where fire bombed. There were beatings.

492
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: One man pulled a gun on a Vietnamese fisherman walking

493
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: across the deck and shot him in the leg. Louis

494
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Beam and his clan waded into this mess with glee

495
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: and consummate expertise. They started putting out reams of propaganda

496
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: newsletters and magazines, calling the Vietnamese refugees boat people and

497
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: accusing them of being riddled with tuberculosis and malaria. Clan

498
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: propaganda also sought to stoke fears that the new immigrants

499
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: would sexually assault local white women. Yeahs. The clan even

500
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: named their activities and Sea Drift operation hymn Line, a

501
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: reference to the modest, decent white women that were supposedly protecting.

502
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: In one interview with the reporter, a Klansman and Seddrift. Instead,

503
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: Galveston Bay is just like a fine woman. If you're

504
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: rape her, she's never good anymore. The clan awful. Yeah,

505
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: no comment. Also, how do you rape a bay? Yeah?

506
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean actually Charles Coke could answer that question about

507
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: this bay because he's largely responsible for ruining Galveston Bay.

508
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: He's had his way with guy, do you He's had

509
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: his way with Galveston Bay, and it's no good anymore.

510
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: That old sea song, do you know the way to Galveston? No,

511
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because

512
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: we're you know what, I'm angry that we got high

513
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: with do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna throw

514
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: the box at wrangles. Wait wait, you know what I

515
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: got to do this? Yeah, I knew that would happen.

516
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: That was a real problem. It rained the pringles, It

517
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: rained pringles everywhere the box. That's exactly what you wanted everywhere.

518
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: So happy about it about how that works to clear

519
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: their little their little containers of pringles. There aren't like

520
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: individual pringled chips everywhere. That would cause that would cause mice.

521
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: You know what I love is how satisfying that is

522
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: on a podcast. M hm, m hm. You have to

523
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: take pictures of it. You have to take pictures of it.

524
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: She's shaking your head. Now, she's ashamed, as she should

525
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: be anyway, scouraging it. On January, the Vietnamese owns shrimping

526
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: vessel Tru dB, was lit on fire in its dock.

527
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: The next night, another Vietnamese shrimping boat was burned. Local

528
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: police reported seeing four white males and clan robes starting

529
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: the fires. Wait, was there was there a fifth person? Nope? Nope, alright,

530
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's probably the clan. Would it be a

531
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: basketball team if it were fine, the Texas Longhorns. Yeah,

532
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: so this would prove to be but a prelude. In February,

533
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: the Texas KKK held a massive clan really in Santa Fe, Texas,

534
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: drawing three or four hundred armed paramilitaries. As master of ceremonies,

535
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: Louis Beim burned a small rowboat named the U S. S.

536
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Viet Cong. He told the gathered klansmant to pay attention

537
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: to his technique because he was illustrating the proper way

538
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: to destroy a boat by arson. This was illegal because reasons.

539
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: He decried the theft of the job security of real

540
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Americans by immigrants and promised that if the Vietnamese fishermen

541
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: and sea drifted and flee by May fifteenth, the KKK

542
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: would quote take matters into its own hands. In March,

543
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: robed klansmen started carrying out armed boat patrols of the

544
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Galveston Bay, wielding assault rifles and displaying an effigy of

545
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: a lynched Vietnamese person on the rigging of their boat.

546
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: Several Vietnamese families living on the water fled their homes

547
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: after close passes by the clan's armed patrol. There are

548
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: pictures you can find of these patrols, and they are

549
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: quite shocked to behold. This is crazy. This is a revolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

550
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: it's it's the clan taking over law enforcement of a

551
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: town to enforce their laws. It's so terrifying. Yeah. In

552
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: one of these yeah that this just happened. Yeah, it's

553
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: just happened. In one of these patrol pictures, we see

554
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: seven men and one young woman in a mix of

555
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: clan robes and military fatigues. They wear rifles and stare

556
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: out with certainly expressions into the sea. Most of them

557
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: are overweight, and on an individual basis, they look distinctly

558
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: observed in their costumes and military gear, But there is

559
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: nothing funny about the broader image of the squadron of

560
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: armed and uniform racists enforcing their own laws on American soil. Yeah. Yeah,

561
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of like if you just make fun of

562
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: these people for appearing absurd, Uh, it allows them to

563
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: do a lot of dangerous ship without getting taken seriously.

564
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, what if one of them was like the

565
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: leader of the country, him in a military uniform, Like

566
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: he'll do it eventually. No, yeah, and it's going to

567
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: spawn like a bunch of jokey hashtags. I hope that

568
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: never happened. Yeah, it's okay. I'll call him drump and

569
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that'll deal with the problems. That'll that'll show him. So.

570
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Camp Poler had closed briefly after their controversy with the

571
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: recruiting Boy Scouts, but it reopened in April of n

572
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: which was just fine. For some reason, dozens of uniform

573
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: militiamens again showing up again, firing their guns past the

574
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: homes of several black families who lived nearby on their

575
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: own land. The local sheriff complained that he could do

576
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: nothing because quote, no one has filed a complaint. They

577
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: won't file complaints because they fear reprisal or potential reprisal. Sure, yeah,

578
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: that guy qualifies as the good guy in this story.

579
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: Because the mayor of Kima, a small neighboring town to

580
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: See Drift, where many of the threatened Vietnamese fishermen lived,

581
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: was less sympathetic. He admitted that the site of klansmen

582
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and robes was disturbing, but declared I don't have any

583
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: reason to believe the Vietnamese or not safe. Oh my god,

584
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: the boat's being litten on fire. Might be might be

585
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: one the guy that got shot in the leg, frustrating

586
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: the lynched effigy of a Vietnamese fisherman long ago. No,

587
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: this is like cheers is on the air. Dr Frasier

588
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: Crane had taken to the screen. If I'm not mistaken,

589
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not by one? Was it eight two? Oh?

590
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: So he's holding up two fingers because it's times you

591
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: look up when she started, so that I can when

592
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: she did that. Yeah, because if if Frasier Crane was around,

593
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: so Frasier Crane should have said something about this. At

594
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: least it's a cold open. Yeah, yeah, at least they're

595
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: cold open. Doesn't have to it doesn't have to be

596
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, Well, we're gonna pull the ads now

597
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: because I can't keep up with with all these Cheers gags.

598
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: So we're back are We're not talking about Cheers anymore

599
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: because I don't know enough about Cheers to joke about it,

600
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: all right, Yes, moving on, moving one. Ers. You know,

601
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I only know them for their cameos on Frasier, the

602
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: show I did watch. Yeah, she wasn't both. Yeah, it

603
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: turns out I know a lot about Cheers characters. Okay,

604
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I just know what I learned about them in Frasier. Anyway,

605
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: the book A little Bit, A little Bit, So help

606
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: did not come from the local government or rare or

607
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Instead, it came from the Southern Poverty Law Center,

608
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: who helped a group of Vietnamese fishermen file suit against

609
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Beam showed up

610
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: to court wearing his clan robes, carrying a gun and claimed,

611
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm only charged with loving this country. Again. He wore

612
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: a gun to his own trial and at one point

613
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: challenged Morris D's, the lawyer for the SPLC, to a

614
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: duel to the death. This guy did he accept? No, No,

615
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: we did not. Eventually, however, the sunlight of the court

616
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: case acted as a moderate disinfectant, or at least the

617
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: first sign of real resistance, finally checked the clan's escalating

618
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: use of force. During the trial, video was played a

619
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Beam training militiamen at Camp Puller. In that segment, he

620
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: was seen advising his soldiers on how to conduct themselves

621
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: in battle. He said, quote utterly destroy everybody, maximum damage,

622
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: maximum violence in the shortest period of time. They can

623
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: do only one thing. Die. This did not go over

624
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: well in court. Finally, on a third, nineteen eight nine,

625
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: under an avalanche of death threats, the judge issued a

626
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: court order demanding an into the clan harassment Beams paramilitary group.

627
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: Camp Puller and four other far right militia training camps

628
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: in the area were ordered shut down. The Vietnamese fishermen

629
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: had one, but Louis Beam was far from defeated. Not

630
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: eight nineteen nine, sorry n one. It's probably matter now, yeah,

631
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: much matter. It probably has like other plans. Now he

632
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: did start making other plans he continued to Yeah, spoilers,

633
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: it ends with federal Actually. So. Beam continued to write speeches, newsletters,

634
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: and articles in various far right journals of record, culminating

635
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: in his nineteen eighty three book Essays of a Klansman.

636
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: In this book, he encouraged his fellow fascist Vietnam veterans

637
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: to bring the war on home to the United States.

638
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: While the legal prescriptions against Beam and his fellow klansmen

639
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: after Sea Drift were more effective than the complete exoneration

640
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: they'd received after Greensboro, it effectively did nothing to actually

641
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: stop clan organizing. While the fascist right receided ever so

642
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: slightly in the first years after Reagan's election. By nine four,

643
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: America's Nazis had realized that the president was not going

644
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: to be the quasi nationalist leader they'd hoped he might be.

645
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: How what what are they gonna do? Well? Nothing good? Yeah, yeah,

646
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: So the white power movement began to grow again after

647
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Reagan failed to ban abortion and reinstate segregation. I'm gonna

648
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: quote again from the book Bring the War Home. Quote.

649
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: Scholars and watchdog groups who have attempted to calculate the

650
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: numbers of people in the movements varied branches, including for instance,

651
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Klansmen and Neo Nazis, who are often counted separately. Estimate

652
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: that there were about twenty five thousand hardcore members in

653
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. An additional hundred and fifty two hundred

654
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand people bought white power literature, sent

655
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: contributions to groups, or attended rallies or other events, signifying

656
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: a larger, although less formal Levell membership. Another four hundred

657
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand did not themselves participate or purchase materials,

658
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: but did read the literature. The John Birch Society and contrast,

659
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: reach only a hundred thousand members at its nineteen sixty

660
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: five peak. That's cool, that's lot of people. So um.

661
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: We focus mostly on Louis Bim and the KKK and

662
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: Neo Nazis during this chapter, but it's important to know

663
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: that an awful lot of other fascist groups were active,

664
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: organizing and growing during this period. Militant right wing organizations

665
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: popped up constantly throughout the nineteen eighties. One important group

666
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: was the Posse Coomatatis. In brief, the Posse's were a

667
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: series of militant anti government cells. They were believers of

668
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Christian identity theology, and these true Israelites also subscribed to

669
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: a conspiratorial interpretation of American history in which all government

670
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: above the county level was fundamentally illegitimate. Posse believers felt

671
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve and the i r s were part

672
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: of a Jewish plot to wipe out the white Man,

673
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: and their view, the county sheriff was the only legitimate

674
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: power in the land, and if he did not act

675
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: in accordance with the wishes of the county, he should

676
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: be hung by the neck until dead. Okay, slightly different flavor,

677
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: but I follow you see where this is going. So

678
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: as a big general rule, Posse members were big fans

679
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: of hanging. Modern day sovereign citizens descend from the Posse coomatatis.

680
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: You can draw a direct line between them and many

681
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: modern militia movements, including the constitutional sheriffs who supported the

682
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Bundey Clan's malher occupation. In fact, when they got stopped

683
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: in that guy Lavoy Finning and got killed, it was

684
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: because the Bundy brothers were driving with some of their

685
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: friends to go meet a constitutional sheriff. Of course, yeah cool.

686
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: Appropriately enough, the first Posse Commatata cell was formed in Portland, Oregon,

687
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: back in nineteen Portland It's so weird, But POSSE beliefs

688
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: did not generate national awareness until nineteen eighty three, when

689
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: a guy named Gordon Call got into a series of

690
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: gun fights with authorities. Call had declared himself a tax

691
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: protester in nineteen sixty seven, writing the I R S

692
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: to let them know he would no longer pay taxes

693
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: to the quote Synagogue of Satan. He was a big

694
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: old Christian identity fan guest. He was arrested in nineteen

695
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: seventy six, but got out on parole and went to

696
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: ground near Medina, North Dakota. A warrant was officially issued

697
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: for his arrest over parole violations, which prompted U S.

698
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Marshals to try and arrest him. While he and his

699
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: family were driving home from a POSSE related meeting in February,

700
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: A shootout ensued and Call and his family killed to

701
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: federal marshals. Gordon went on the run after that, was

702
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: finally brought down in June after a vicious gunfight that

703
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: left in Arkansas sheriff and Call himself dead. By the

704
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: time Called died, the POSSE movement had metastasized into which

705
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: series of townships filled with white supremacist Christian identity believers

706
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: who considered the federal government illegitimate, were heavily armed, fiercely independent,

707
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: and more than willing to kill for their beliefs. This

708
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: was part of a broader trend on the far right

709
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties to create autonomous enclaves for their

710
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: ideology and isolated rural communities. Another such group was the

711
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Arian Nations and Neo Nazi organization centered around a compound

712
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: in Hayden Lake, Idaho. On paper, the Nations were officially

713
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: a Christian identity church led by the self proclaimed Reverend

714
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: Richard Butler. In the early nineteen eighties, Butler's group began

715
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: to reach out to incarcerated white Americans, eventually leading to

716
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: the formation of the Aryan Brotherhood, a Christian identity prison

717
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: gang that remains influential today. That's where that comes from. Well,

718
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: that was a concise little run down to that. Did

719
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: you know that Arian Brotherhood were Christian identity believers? I

720
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't either, Yeah, cool, I didn't know that, It's all

721
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: I started researching and stuff. Another Christian identity compound was

722
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: and still was today Elohim City in Oklahoma. By the

723
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: early Elohem was a fully self sufficient community with its

724
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: own sawmill, crops and weapons ranges on four hundred sprawling acres.

725
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: Elohim's operations were funded by a Transcontinental trucking company and

726
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: construction business operated from the compound. The denizens of Elohim

727
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: considered American society to be decadent and sinful beyond salvation,

728
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: and they homeschooled their children and stockpiled weapons in anticipation

729
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: of societal collapse. I mean, I want to do all

730
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: of that without the religion. Can we can? Can? I can?

731
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: Can I just stockpile guns on a compound? I mean probably,

732
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I think that you can. Dreams. Seems like you can anyway.

733
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Donate to my go fund me by Robert A compound.

734
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: So you're stocking yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, guns, Maybe a

735
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: couple of legally bought rocket launchers. Chickens just to have

736
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: a police bear cat. Yeah, pig farm bodies. Sure. I

737
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: bet it would be illegal for me to do, he said, illegally,

738
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: describing a few things. You know what I did, I

739
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: did well. I don't really want to come to that place. Oh,

740
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: come on, it'll be fine. It was fine with these people.

741
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: It was fine with these people. They got to do it.

742
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: But for how long they're still doing it? All right, man? Okay,

743
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: keep telling a story. There were numerous other far right

744
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: groups doing similar things around the country in the nineteen eighties,

745
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: and most of them fell either into the mold of

746
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: the Lohan City urgent total separation from society, or the

747
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Area Nations attempting to build a white insurgency against the

748
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: Zionist occupied government. These disparate groups were tied together loosely

749
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: by Christian identity beliefs and recruited heavily from the nascent

750
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: prepping movement that started to crop up in the nineteen eighties.

751
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: And Blood and Politics, Leonard Zeskin notes quote for William Pierce,

752
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: survivalist events became an opportunity for nationalists interested in self

753
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: preservation rather than the advancement of the white race, so

754
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: they start reaching out to these guys survivalist community around

755
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: the time. Now Pierce's gold became to infuse white racial

756
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: consciousness into the survival movement and thus turn it from

757
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: a disconnected community of armed loaners into something he could

758
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: use to bring about the revolution. He desired independently. Klansman

759
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: Louis Beams Smith the Early nine is on a similar goal,

760
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: spreading white racial consciousness and a desire for revolution to

761
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: disaffected white Vietnam veterans. In two he wrote, America's political leaders, bankers,

762
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: church ministers, newsmen, sports stars, and hippies called us baby

763
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: killers and through chicken blood on some of us when

764
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: we return home. You're damn right. I'm mad. I've had enough.

765
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I want these same traders to face their enemy now,

766
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: the American fighting man. They betrayed, all three million of us.

767
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: This is the tact that Louis Beam takes. Beam wrote

768
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: articles in which he warned up a coming mass gun confiscation.

769
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: He told his readers to arm up and hide their

770
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: weapons and hope that the future might bring headlines like

771
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: and this is Louis bs like what what he wrote

772
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: as his hoped foreheadlines. Millions of formerly peaceful, law abiding

773
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: citizens up in arms, vigilantes of one and two persons

774
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: take law and to own hands. Politician cut in two

775
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: by shotgun blast as he steps from car. Federal judge

776
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: killed by bomb blast as he starts car. Judge found dead,

777
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: hands tied behind back, throat cut U S Senator found

778
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: hanging from limb of Treon River Cool, cool and good,

779
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: and cool and good. In June of two thousand nineteen,

780
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Walter Libkey, a Christian Democratic Union politician in Germany, was

781
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: shot dead by a neo Nazi terrorist. Lubkey was hated

782
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: for his support of Angela Merkel's open door refugee policy.

783
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: His killer head ties to larger organizations of German Nazi radicals,

784
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: which included members of law enforcement. On an unrelated note,

785
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: several weeks after this, members of a neo Nazi ring

786
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: within German law enforcement were found with a massive stockpile

787
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: of arms and a list of politicians they planned to murder.

788
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: Now what's happened? Like weeks ago this one was Oh, yes,

789
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: this is the one I know about. This is the

790
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: one that we all heard about. So that's cool. So

791
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: it kind of sounds like the headlines Beam wrote. Yeah,

792
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: it's just okay when you hear about it like this everything,

793
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like there's all these stories and at first you think,

794
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: well that was so long. It's a crazy thing that happens,

795
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is fucking still happening. It's all

796
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: the same you're talking. I start to think, like, maybe, well,

797
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what's the first do you know what

798
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: the percentage of racist cops is now versus like that?

799
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be more versus in comparison

800
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: toil later. I like, I like to think that, like

801
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: this all happened so long ago, and that things are

802
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: getting better, like there's a smaller percentage of people that

803
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: are this terrible. But it's not true. It's is what

804
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: I'm getting at, is like what my thought process has been,

805
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: honestly this whole episode, and like the like the roles

806
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: that those people gravitate towards. Anyway, we're still we're interrupting event.

807
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: That's your job. So, like many white nationalists in the

808
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: nineteen eight what go on being expressed to growing the

809
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: satisfaction with the Republican Party in American conservatives in general,

810
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: he damped compromise and wrote that his readers should take

811
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: up the sword, adding the sword need not be literal,

812
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: although many of us would enjoy righteous fast, the righteous

813
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: satisfaction from actually lopping off heads of the enemy a

814
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: sword in the year of our Lord nineteen eight one

815
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: can be an m sixteen three sticks of dynamite taped

816
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: together at twelve gage you can of gas or whatever

817
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: is suitable to carry out any commission of the Lord

818
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: that has been entrusted to you. Cool that this is

819
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: legal to write falks Lord. In three Lewis Beam published

820
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: an essay in the Interclan newsletter titled leaderless Resistance. This

821
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: is where that term comes from. In the essay, he

822
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: argued that the top down organization of traditional fascist groups

823
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: like his own clan, Rockwell's Nazi Party, and that successor

824
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: William Pierce his National Alliance, were fundamentally vulnerable to infiltration

825
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: from law enforcement. This was backed up by the well

826
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: own fact that Rockwell's marches had often been half composed

827
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: of federal informants. It was also backed up by the

828
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: disastrous nine eight one attempted by several American clansmen to

829
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: conquer the island of Domenica. You guys, hear about that one? Yeah,

830
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: it's quite a tale. Domenica is a small island nation

831
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: near Venezuela. An assortment of neo Nazi commandos, including a

832
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: clan leader named Don Black, who had previously been the

833
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: driver of George Lincoln Rockwell's hate bus, had gathered enough

834
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: weaponry that they believed they could deploy enough force to

835
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: overthrow the prime minister of that country and install their

836
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: own government. Then they could use Domerica as a base

837
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: of operations and as a funding engine to support and

838
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: insurgency in the US. Now, I should note that a

839
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: lot of those guys also just wanted to make money

840
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: by setting up casinos and stuff, so that there was

841
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: a mix of people who just wanted money and Nazi mercenaries.

842
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: That's the idea, right, Yeah, yeah, intersectionality exactly. The whole

843
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: thing fell apart before any of these guys could set sail.

844
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: FBI agents arrested Tin Nazi commandos and New Orleans on

845
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: a rented boat filled with guns, dynamite bullets, and Confederate

846
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: and Nazi flags. Don Black things to be with, great

847
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: things there, just cover all your bases. Don Black and

848
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: several of these other guys spent time in prison, and

849
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: when Black got out, he went on to found the

850
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: neo Nazi website Stormfront. Okay, that's where that comes from.

851
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: He's actually pretty minor part of the well, not minor,

852
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: he just wasn't a huge part of the Dominican thing.

853
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: He's just kind of a kind of a guy there.

854
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: He was just there. The is a big deal. So

855
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: after Dominica, fascist thinkers like Beam were eager to find

856
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: a new way to organize that wouldn't just get them

857
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: caught by the FBI. Yeah. As he noted in the

858
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: Leader List Resistance, an infiltrator can destroy anything which is

859
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: beneath him in the pyramid of organization. In order to

860
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: counter this, Beams suggested White supremacists adopt a cell type

861
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: organization similar to those used by communist insurgencies. To quote

862
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: Leonard Zeskin's bledded politics, small groups of people work together

863
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: but were known to only one another. Other small groups

864
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: worked independently, and the participants of one cell remained unknown

865
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: to the personnel of another. Thus, an enemy infiltrator could

866
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: possibly betray one cell, but couldn't break up the entire underground.

867
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: While this cell structure was an improvement over the traditional pyramid,

868
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Beam decided it also had weaknesses. The problem was it

869
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: required a central command to give directions to all the cells,

870
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: and their new vision of vanguardism did not support one

871
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: single leadership being proposed. Instead, a structure of cells, like

872
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: the communists, it's operating independently of the others, but without

873
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: a headquarters. Sounds like terrorism, Yes it does now. This

874
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: put Beam in direct opposition to William Pierces National Alliance

875
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: and the idealized Neo Nazi insurgency he'd imagined in the

876
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: Turner Diaries. The order had included a strong central structure

877
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: directing a series of semi independent cells and wielding them

878
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: as weapons towards the greater goal disrupting society and rendering

879
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: it ungovernable. Piercing Beam in their separate camps were at Loggerheads,

880
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: but in nineteen eighty three a man came along with

881
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: the vision to synthesize their dueling theories into one violent hole.

882
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: Robert J. Matthews was born in Marfa, Texas, on January six,

883
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, each in the John Birch Society at

884
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: age eleven, yeah in nineteen seventy one, he was on

885
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: his way to enlist at Fort Wachuca, Arizona, when he

886
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: heard a radio report on the prosecution of Lieutenant Bill Kelly,

887
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the American officer who presided over the murder of hundreds

888
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: of Vietnamese civilians in my ally. Matthews obviously thought the

889
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: killing of women and children was imminently justified in the

890
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: fight against communism. He decided not to join an army

891
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: that wouldn't let him kill children with impunity. We all

892
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: have to have values. Yeah, values are critical. I will

893
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: not stand for this and think that I was all

894
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: fired up to go to Vietnam until I learned that

895
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: my army prosecutes Oh no, thank you, thank you. I've

896
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: changed my mind about this guy. Good news is he

897
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: did still find a war to fight. Good. I could

898
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: see your worry written on your face. Was his destiny.

899
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: It was his destiny. Matthews first found himself drawn to

900
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: violand extremism as part of the tax protest movement. He

901
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: formed an anti communist militia called the Sons of Liberty

902
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: and the Time for Tax Fraud in the early nineteen seventies.

903
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: Through his involvement with the survivalist movement, Matthews was gradually

904
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: trawn into the cause of white nationalism. He moved to Yeah,

905
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: what shocking. He moved to Medeleine Falls, Washington in the

906
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: mid nineteen seventies, and in nineteen eighty he joined William

907
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Pierce's National Alliance. Matthews fell in love with the Turner

908
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: Diaries and the vision of a possible white revolution. It provided.

909
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: His earliest on the ground activism involved a series of

910
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: childish fist fights with anti fascist protesters during a Nazi

911
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: rally and Spokane. In a Spokane public park, he single

912
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: handedly fended off several anti fascists and earned a place

913
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: in Richard Butler's inner circle. And so Matthews was on

914
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: the Area Nation Compound in Idaho in July for the

915
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: yearly Congress of white power leaders. On that fine summer day,

916
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: three hundred one of being an aryan revolutionary sat down

917
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: to plan the future of their movement. Louis Beam and

918
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: another fascist thinker, Robert Miles, seemed to have dominated the discussion.

919
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: There are no minutes taken for such meetings, since what

920
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: was being planned at the congress was the violent insurgeon

921
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: overthrow of the U S government, but it is generally

922
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: accepted that the white supremacist leaders who assembled that day

923
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: walked away with two broad conclusions about their future. Number

924
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: one was the need to use computer networks to organize

925
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: and coordinate the leaderless resistance, Beam advocated. Number two was

926
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: the value of cell style organizations and taking the movement

927
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: forward into the future. The dreams were grand indeed, and

928
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: Robert Miles sought to establish a series of no less

929
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: than six hundred cells, each a hundred miles apart, so

930
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: the nuclear war they all thought was coming wouldn't wipe

931
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: them all out. Miles' theories were very much focused around

932
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: the importance of building a white supremacist movement that could

933
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: dominate America in the wake of a nuclear exchange with

934
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: the USSR. Bam anticipated Nuclear War two, but he was

935
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: more interested in building a network of terror cells that

936
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: could start carrying out attacks on enemies of the white

937
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: race and once. But in order to do all this,

938
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: Beam and as fellow fascists were going to need a

939
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: lot of money. Computer equipment was not cheap in the

940
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, and the insurgency they needed to build required

941
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: weapons to not just civilian weapons, military grade equipment rocket

942
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: launchers and machine guns bought from Bride military supply officers.

943
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: In order to fund all this, Miles suggested robbing armored cars,

944
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: and bit by bit a plan began to take hold.

945
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: Louis Beam and William Pierce has spent years sketching out

946
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: theories and passing up propaganda. They've been rewarded by an

947
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: American fascist movement that was hundreds of times larger and

948
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: more capable than anything George Lincoln Rockwell had commanded. Now

949
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: it was time to take the next step forward and

950
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: make the fantasies William Pierce had written down in the

951
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: Turner Diaries a reality. The man to do that would

952
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: be young Bob Matthews. So that's the end of this chapter.

953
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: You guys having a good time. Um, yeah, happy, everybody

954
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: feeling good. I wish we hadn't smoked pot. I wish

955
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: we hadn't smoked pot earlier. But I'm a little less high.

956
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: That's great. I'm a little less high, and I'm really

957
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: excited for this next chapter. I'm excited to throw these seats.

958
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: Is that giant bag of sun flower seats ever been opened?

959
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: It hasn't been great excellent than Sophia wonderful. I had

960
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: a whole case of barrier and water that I do

961
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: think it might but Sophie took the the case away,

962
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: and I'm very unhappy. But I am at some point

963
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: during this recording session going to steal the cans back

964
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: and throw them. Oh she wasn't on mike, but that

965
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: was a serious, serious, throw them at something. I'm gonna

966
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: do some damage. It doesn't seem like you're going through.

967
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: I want to believe it. What was that chapter called

968
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: how to build an Army? Yeah? Well there you go.

969
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: There you go spelled it out for you. Yeah, let's

970
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: see what should I throw next? Yeah, you can do

971
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: that something paper towels, yeah, soft and harm it before. Yeah,

972
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: you should probably run. Yeah. Oh god, that was a throw,

973
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: did you You could have hurt yourself. That was a

974
00:54:54,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: big it's a huge the size of you, Katie. Yeah. Yeah.

975
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 1: Last time I met wave myself, I was twelve rolls

976
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: of paper towels. So you're right, I wouldnt like a

977
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: square footage. Well that too. Yeah. So your website, Oh yeah,

978
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: do you go. I'm not finishing sentences. Well today, google

979
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: our names and the words like some more news, even

980
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: more news and the website or like platform that you're

981
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: looking for Patreon and twitterings. Yeah, thanks Google dot com.

982
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: And you can use Google dot com to find out

983
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: if I sell t shirts. He does, it's on public,

984
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: thank you, Katie. What else we don't have a website?

985
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: Use Twitter. It's a great way with white nationalists. It

986
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: still is that. I mean, if you go to our Twitter.

987
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: You'll see great tweet like from this guy at Salt

988
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: Throne who wrote more like I pronounce okay, insulting Robert's

989
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: Twitter a candle. That tweet was made days ago. Sophie

990
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: has saved it for this moment. That's a good burn.

991
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: That's a good burn. She's really really really good. Excellent. Yeah,

992
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. That's at the end of the podcast.