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Speaker 1: He just kept saying, Ethan's not here, and I was

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Speaker 2: In November of twenty twenty two, the campus of an

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Speaker 2: Idaho college woke up to a shocking crime. Four young

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Speaker 2: try something new and track the killer in real time

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Speaker 2: using their own DNA. This is America's crime Lab. I'm

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Speaker 2: Alan Lance Lesser, producer Catherine Vanalosa is here, and Catherine,

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Speaker 2: the murder of these students at the University of Idaho

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Speaker 3: And actually, Aileen, I wasn't even sure if we were

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Speaker 3: going to be able to talk about this case. Authoram

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Speaker 3: started working on it really early on, but there's been

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Speaker 2: I get why judges do that, especially in such high

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it meant that the people with the real information,

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Speaker 2: Can you take us back to that November?

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Speaker 3: So this takes place in Moscow, Idaho, and Moscow borders

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Speaker 3: part of the social scene. Now, Moscow's pretty much like

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Speaker 2: Got it. So I always love a college town, Like

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Speaker 3: And this story starts sort of right here on the

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Speaker 3: Like the third floor seems like an afterthought, and their

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Speaker 3: And on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, shortly before noon,

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Speaker 3: And it is a very safe area. I mean, Moscow

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Speaker 2: Folk musician and a prosecutor love that.

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Speaker 3: And so Ashley enters the house with police through that

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Speaker 5: You can tell, you know, students live there. There's you know,

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Speaker 3: When she gets to the second floor, there's a beer

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Speaker 3: Weird, And she says that she's walking through the house,

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Speaker 2: That gives you a picture totally.

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Speaker 6: So there wasn't as much blood throughout the entire house,

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Speaker 6: Ethan and Zana were located at. There was a lot

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Speaker 4: In the bed.

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Speaker 3: In her room they find her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin. Now

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Speaker 3: Ethan's actually a triplet. His brother and sister are also

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Speaker 1: They're a minute apart in birth, but Ethan kind of

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Speaker 3: One belongs to Kaylee Gonsalva's and Kayleie is very bubbly.

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Speaker 3: She's the middle of five siblings and She's known for

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Now Maddie and Kaylee are discovered together. They're

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Speaker 6: Where Mattie and Kaylee were there was a lot of

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Speaker 6: We found some blood droplets on a wall that was

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Speaker 3: Kaylee's dog, she has a golden doodle named Murphy is also.

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Speaker 4: In the room alive.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Kaylee shares him with an ex boyfriend. And

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Speaker 3: in the bed next to Kayleye and Mattie, law enforcement

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Speaker 3: finds a leather knife sheath, and I.

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Speaker 6: Believe it was found kind of underneath Mattie, a little

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Speaker 6: We knew that was going to be a key piece

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Speaker 3: You know. It's like a holder for a knife, and

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Speaker 3: it's for a k bar knife, which is a steel

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, this seems like a key piece of evidence.

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Speaker 3: They know that this seems like an odd thing to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really strange to have a big military

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the knife isn't in it, it's just the holder.

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Speaker 3: So Ashley Jennings and her boss, Bill Thompson, the prosecutor,

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Speaker 3: for this leather knife sheath. I mean, it is a

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Speaker 8: Was the only piece of evidence that stood out as

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Speaker 3: And really all they know is that these four students

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Speaker 3: and they have no suspects.

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Speaker 2: What a nightmare. Honestly, there are four victims here that

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Speaker 2: it sounds like may have been stabbed to death. I

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Speaker 2: mean for housemates or friends. It's like, where does this

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 2: Also so many I mean not that any one death

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Speaker 2: it just seems excessive.

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Speaker 4: And completely senseless.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, complete that Maybe that's what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a cold November day. Now, there's police tape

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Speaker 3: it's almost happening in like a fish bowl, all of

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Speaker 3: watching this unfold and everybody is like, what the heck happened.

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Speaker 6: We're going to look at any blood spatter, any blood

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Speaker 6: try and find point of jury to see if you

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Speaker 4: And there's very little information.

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Speaker 3: I mean, police aren't doing the best they can, but

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Speaker 6: We had four people that were killed, no eyewitnesses, and

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Speaker 3: Police start to do initial interviews of the surviving roommates,

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Speaker 2: I just can picture if I were a student at

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Speaker 2: did you hear what happened? And you go out and

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Speaker 2: don't know who did this. They could be someone even

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Speaker 2: amongst the crowd. Yeah, you know that you don't know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And Prosecutor Bill Thompson says officers are gathering just

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Speaker 8: They were interviewing friends and family of the victims, just

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Speaker 8: recreate their activities. The investigation really was a blank slate

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Speaker 3: And what they learn is that on Saturday, so the

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Speaker 3: And if you follow this case, there's a photo that's

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Speaker 3: on Kaylee's shoulders. He then has his arm around Xana,

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Speaker 2: Isn't it even posted that evening they had posted this happy, warm,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Kaylie who posts the photo and on social media,

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Speaker 3: her caption is basically like, you know, one lucky girl

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Speaker 3: Saturday night, Ethan I mentioned as a triplet. His sister

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Speaker 3: Mazie is in a sorority and she has a formal

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Speaker 3: It just goes to show you how close they are, right,

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Speaker 4: So Mazie's in.

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Speaker 4: On, come to the frat house.

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Speaker 3: Everyone misses you here, come hang out, come on, come on,

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Speaker 4: Can you come over? When these two friends.

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Speaker 3: Emily and Hunter get the phone call from Dylan, they

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Speaker 5: She's known amongst her roommates, and she's a self profoused

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Speaker 3: And so when these two friends get a call, they

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: And they literally have their hands over their mouths and

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Speaker 6: WHOA.

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Speaker 2: So they must have seen or heard something, but they're

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Speaker 4: They're literally terrified.

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Speaker 3: So Hunter, the friend says, all right, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: stairs just as the other two friends, Emily and Josie,

440
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Speaker 3: are coming in that ground floor door, and he just

441
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: basically like pushes them out of the house and he

442
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: yells for someone to call nine one.

443
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: One, So suddenly this has gotten serious, like he's realizing

444
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 2: something really bad has happened.

445
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: So Bethany dials nine one one, and she and Dylan

446
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: are still confused. They're like, what do I say? And

447
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: Hunter says, look, just tell the police there's an unconscious person.

448
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: Hunter was maybe trying to protect the group, like maybe

449
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: he couldn't bring himself to tell his friends what he

450
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: had just seen inside the house.

451
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: I can imagine, and they're already in shock, and does

452
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: he want to be the one to tell them.

453
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: So he's trying to wrap his mind around, like what

454
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: did I just see? And I admit when I first

455
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: heard about this case and that the nine to one

456
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: to one call came in that there was an unconscious person,

457
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Speaker 3: I was like, how could somebody not know that they

458
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: had just seen someone who was clearly attacked and was

459
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Speaker 3: no longer living. I guess it just goes to show

460
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Speaker 3: you that, especially with crimes like these are horrible, horrible events,

461
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: there's so much misinterpretation or reading into the facts and

462
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: placing judgment that is so wrong. But now having learned

463
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: really what happened, I think it was truly this young

464
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: friend trying to protect the group of friends from the

465
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Speaker 3: absolute just horror of what he had.

466
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Speaker 4: Just seen in the house.

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Speaker 2: You know. And it's also interesting, I have to say,

468
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: with cases like these, it's like you can interpret or

469
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: read into anything, but also you can read into things

470
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: in the opposite ways in that my reaction is always

471
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: like I've always wondered, how can you tell that someone

472
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: has died unless you actually go up and do like

473
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Speaker 2: sort of a mini medical exam. So it's interesting that

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Speaker 2: I almost have the opposite reaction to you, in the

475
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Speaker 2: sense that if I were in that situation, I can't

476
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Speaker 2: imagine being like, oh, they're dead when I haven't even

477
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: like felt a pulse necessarily or really investigated. But it

478
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: sounds like it was pretty clear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, Prosecutor Bill Thompson says, Dylan and Bethany,

480
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: the roommates, I mean, they didn't go looking around the house.

481
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: They were just completely spooked and wanted to.

482
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Speaker 4: Get out of there.

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Speaker 8: You have to remember, these are very young people, and

484
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 8: we're talking some young folks who are barely nineteen years

485
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 8: old and don't have don't quite have the tools to

486
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 8: process what was going on there. I think many adults

487
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 8: probably wouldn't as well.

488
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Speaker 3: Hunter Chapin. Ethan's brother is asleep at the frat house

489
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: on that Sunday morning, and he's literally just a few

490
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: minutes from the King Road house, and he wakes up

491
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: to a friend telling him that something has happened. There

492
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: are police over at King Road, and Ethan's brother he

493
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: also doesn't think anything of it. I mean, he's like, yeah,

494
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: I know that house gets noise complaints all the time,

495
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, no big deal.

496
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Speaker 4: But his friend is.

497
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: Pretty insistent that he should go over there, and so

498
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: he walks over to the house and as he approaches,

499
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Speaker 3: he sees the two surviving roommates, Dylan and Bethany, with a.

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Speaker 4: Group of friends.

501
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: And they're really upset and they just keep saying Ethan's gone,

502
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: and He's like, what are you talking about?

503
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Speaker 2: This is just a devastating story. And I do appreciate

504
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: you actually walking me through this because it makes me

505
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: feel the pain. And I mean not to the extent

506
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: obviously that they were feeling it, but I can imagine

507
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: what that would have felt like to hear about your

508
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: sibling or your friend, or even imagining Hunter walking in

509
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: and like seeing stab wounds and his friend and then

510
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: then having to come out and tell people like just

511
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: that image and that moment, what absolute horror. And then

512
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: to find out your sibling is gone with no explanation.

513
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just and this is just the beginning.

514
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: And now Hunter, Ethan's brother, he needs to call his parents.

515
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I was in the grocery store and I was talking

516
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: to a friend in the produce department. It's funny how

517
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: those details are very clear. And my phone. You know,

518
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you have certain ways that you communicate with your kids.

519
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: A phone call with my daughter Maisie is never We

520
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: always text or snapchat or whatever. And you know, she

521
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: was calling me, which I thought was weird. But I

522
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: declined the first one because you know, it's Sunday at

523
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: noon and whatever. And then it rang back a couple times.

524
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Speaker 1: Then I thought, oh, I said, you know, I'm sorry,

525
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I need to take this call, assuming you know, obviously

526
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: something's up. And it was Hunter calling from her phone,

527
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: and he just kept saying Ethan's not here, and I

528
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: couldn't under It did not occur to me that you know,

529
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: what had happened. He just kept saying he's not here,

530
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: and I kept telling him, well, then go get him.

531
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Speaker 4: I mean I literally was like, then go get him, Get.

532
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: In the car, get a uber, go go get him.

533
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: And then he would say, no, you don't understand. Ethan

534
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: and Zanna aren't here anymore. And I'm like, well, go

535
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: get them. At this point, I had abandoned my shopping

536
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: cart and was walking out the front door on my

537
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: phone because I still had not registered what had happened.

538
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: But I was starting to feel a little I'm not

539
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: sure what you're telling me here, you know, and I

540
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: don't know where in the course of that, but he

541
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: just said finally, he goes He never used the words,

542
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: and he still will not, but he said, Mom, you

543
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: don't understand they are no longer here on this berth,

544
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Speaker 1: on this planet.

545
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: And I was like.

546
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: What, And that takes a very long time to process.

547
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not I still heard the words, and it was

548
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: not registering inside of my head. What was you know,

549
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: what really actually was happening? You know, you have no details,

550
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: you you know, do you worry about your kids, you know,

551
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: getting in a car accident or I mean, you know whatever, Right,

552
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: so you just go through this process of elimination in

553
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: your head and you just.

554
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: I don't know.

555
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: And so it was actually became real when I had

556
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: to call Jim and tell him. And that is when

557
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: it hit that I'm really saying something that I never

558
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: you never think is gonna.

559
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 6: Never.

560
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: Never you worry about things, you worry about your kids.

561
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: This is not one that ever plays out in your head.

562
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: They had just been to the campus the week before

563
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: for parents' weekend, and Ethan Hunter and Mazie were like

564
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: settled into their sophomore year. They were super happy. Stacy

565
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: says on the drive home from parents weekend, she and

566
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: her husband Jim actually like high fived each other, like

567
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: we did it, like our kids are launched. We have

568
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: been successful parents, done our jobs. And a week later

569
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: it all comes crashing down. I mean, their worlds are

570
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: totally shattered. And Jim and Stacy jump into their car

571
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: and they drive to Moscow.

572
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the sign on the road out in

573
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere that was like Pullman is still

574
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: ninety miles away, and I thought to myself, Mike, God,

575
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to make it. It

576
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: was terrible.

577
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: It was terrible. What do you talk about? I mean,

578
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: I mean you just kind of look at one another disbelieve.

579
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a tremendous loss and I believe that

580
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: the first thing that I told Maisie and Hunter when

581
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: they got in the car was I do not know

582
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: what the hell has just happened to our family, But

583
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: this thing isn't going to sink us.

584
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: I in a way, I just have no words. That

585
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: is the worst kind of thing to have happened. But

586
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: I also think it's an example of how traumatic situations

587
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: can feel, and how so often it's even like how

588
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: you get the news also affects your experience of it.

589
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I can just imagine that feeling of confusion

590
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: and chaos intermixed with the pain. It's like, is this

591
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: even real?

592
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 9: Yeah?

593
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: Oh.

594
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the police asked the roommates, along with Ethan's siblings

595
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: and the friends who had entered the house that morning,

596
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: to go to the police station. Detectives are also reviewing

597
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: the evidence that they've collected.

598
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 6: So the very first object that we knew that we

599
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 6: needed to get to the state lab as fast as

600
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 6: we could was a knife sheaf that was located in

601
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 6: Maddie's bedroom. We believe very strongly at that point in

602
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 6: time that it was brought in by the person who

603
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 6: committed these murders, and we needed to see if we

604
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 6: could find either any blood on it that come back

605
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 6: to somebody not related to the victims or any of

606
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 6: the victims itself, or if we could find any DNA

607
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 6: or anything like that on it. So that was sent

608
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 6: to the lab almost immediately.

609
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, with four such violent stabbings and it sounds like

610
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 2: Xana fought whoever attacked her, I just hope that there's

611
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: a lot of potential DNA evidence.

612
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lab actually gets some incredible evidence.

613
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 6: And they got a single source DNA profile. They said

614
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 6: it was the cleanest sample that you could find. It

615
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 6: was almost like you putting your finger on something and

616
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 6: then instantly doing a swab of it pulling the DNA

617
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 6: off of it.

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00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: I should mention that it can take a while to

619
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: develop a DNA profile, but in this case Ailan, the

620
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 3: Idaho State Crime Lab is working as fast as they

621
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Speaker 3: can and they develop a profile of the attacker in

622
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: just a few days. Captain Blaker says detectives got a

623
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Speaker 3: call on the Sunday before Thanksgiving. It's just a week

624
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Speaker 3: after the murders in twenty twenty two.

625
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Speaker 6: So the state Lab ran a through Totis with no hits.

626
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 6: So we knew that whoever did this was either somebody

627
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 6: who had never been charged with a felony or for

628
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 6: whatever purposes, never had to have their DNA put into

629
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Speaker 6: the system. So that made everything harder, knowing that we

630
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 6: had to figure out another way to be able to

631
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Speaker 6: try and figure out who this is.

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Speaker 2: Next time America's crime Lab. I was so frantic that

633
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: morning and scared death not knowing what had happened. I

634
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: was scared that the person who did this would come

635
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: for me next.

636
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Speaker 9: What can I use to defend myself?

637
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 6: Who can help?

638
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: The media had gotten all of our contact information. Our

639
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: phones were ringing NonStop, Our kids' phones were ringing NonStop.

640
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: Social media made it so much worse. I was getting

641
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: flooded with tetritz.

642
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Speaker 6: Then I was extremely nervous that I was going to

643
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Speaker 6: do something to screw the whole thing up.

644
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Speaker 8: They were struggling to identify a direction, a person of interest.

645
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Speaker 6: We tested ex boyfriends. You named that we were testing

646
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Speaker 6: anybody we could that would provide us with a DNA swab.

647
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Speaker 9: David and I got a phone call and they asked

648
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Speaker 9: if we were willing to work a high profile case

649
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 9: in real time, And so he got off the phone

650
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Speaker 9: and I said why wouldn't we work this case?

651
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Speaker 1: At the time, I had no idea who she was.

652
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Speaker 1: You know, she just hugged me and she basically said,

653
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Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about this case. And I

654
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: had to say to her, what did you just say

655
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Speaker 1: to me? I mean, I here's this stranger hugging me

656
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: and I'm crying, and you know, She's like, you don't

657
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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 2: America's Crime Lab is produced by Rococo Punch for Kaleidoscope.

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Speaker 2: Erica Lance is our story editor, and sound design is

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Speaker 2: by David Woji. Our producing team is Catherine Fedalosa and

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Speaker 2: Jessica Albert. Our executive producers are Kate Osborne, Mangesh Hadikadour

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Speaker 2: and David and Kristin Middleman and from iHeart Katrina Norville

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Speaker 2: and Ali Perry. Special thanks to Connell Byrne, Will Pearson,

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Speaker 2: Carrie Lieberman, Nikki Etoor, Nathan Etowski, John Burbank, and the

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Speaker 2: entire team at Authrum. I'm Alan Lance Lesser.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for listening. Po