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Speaker 1: In today's episode of Tick to the Draft podcast, the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is over, but as a parting gift to you,

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Speaker 1: the fans, the consistent listeners, we give you names of

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Speaker 1: guys that have been here doing their things for the

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Speaker 1: last three days that we might not have mex mentioned,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out. And then we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Trevor Sikhima, lead draft analysts for PFF.

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Speaker 1: We talked about guys that could have had a better week,

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Speaker 1: guys that had a solid week, and the dogs, the studs,

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Speaker 1: the guys that really made money for themselves down here

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Speaker 1: in Mobile, Alabama. But while we're talking, we have a

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Speaker 1: huge disagreement about one guy who might go top fifteen.

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Speaker 1: That all starts right now. Welcome on into the Ticket

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Speaker 1: of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with just

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Speaker 1: the guy Jason, and Day three of the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: is completed, which means our time down here is done.

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Speaker 1: We've done it. We've done it all three days and

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Speaker 1: it was and this was kind of a fun Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: I think for me anyway, because it was a bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys that maybe didn't have like the name recognition

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Speaker 1: that like of last year's Senior Bowl for example. Like

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Speaker 1: we were kind of talking through that there's ten first

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Speaker 1: round draft picks all this stuff, but there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys that kind of jumped off the jumped

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Speaker 1: off the practice field and really made you take notice.

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Speaker 1: And it was really cool to kind of to get

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Speaker 1: some stuff confirmed about some guys that we weren't sure about,

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Speaker 1: but also kind of meet some players and kind of

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Speaker 1: see how they they operate and what kind of and

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Speaker 1: if they could be professional players for example.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this one, this Senior Bowl specifically, is going

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Speaker 2: to It's really got me excited for the rest of

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Speaker 2: this process. Right last year we came in, I kind of,

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Speaker 2: like you said, there was name recognition, you kind of

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Speaker 2: knew some of these guys. This year that name recognition

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Speaker 2: wasn't there. So I was seeing a lot of these

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Speaker 2: guys with fresh eyes. So I'm excited to go watch

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Speaker 2: their film and get ready for the combine and what

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Speaker 2: leads up there. So let's talk about some of these

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Speaker 2: guys that we saw this week.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you know today a guy was like going

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Speaker 1: through the list and going through my notes, and a

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Speaker 1: guy that we've we saw today that did a really

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Speaker 1: nice job and has really had a very solid week,

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Speaker 1: but kind of maybe not the instagram worthy week. Is

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Speaker 1: Landon Jackson from Arkansas. He's six five and a half,

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Speaker 1: he's two hundred and seventy three pounds, He's got thirty

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Speaker 1: was one of the I watched his film and I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching his film because he plays the game

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Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to be played, and I thought

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Speaker 1: he practiced that way.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: So you know, like there's certain things that you do

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football, Like I'm going

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Speaker 1: the block violently. I'm gonna use my hands throw you

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Speaker 1: to the ground, and then I'm gonna run like a

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Speaker 1: bat out a hell to the football. So there was

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Speaker 1: a play versus LSU, for example, where he's kind of

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Speaker 1: tight end and then just at I mean at a

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Speaker 1: The back kind of breaks through line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 1: the defense. And that's I love when I see that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Like Shamar Stewart I mentioned there was

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Speaker 1: little things that when you see defensive players get after it,

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Speaker 1: like how hard do you play? Because I think you

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Speaker 1: know just as as an example, like Ryan Kerrigan for example, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is the all time leader in Commander's history and sacks,

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Speaker 1: and I think you could find a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: saying he's not the most athletic dude, but he would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're referring to the motor.

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Speaker 1: The motor. That's exactly right, the motor, and so this

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Speaker 1: next level? Right, So a lot of his reps are

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Speaker 1: like Kamakazi collisions, like really hard collisions, violent hands, heavy hands,

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Speaker 1: tackle just from an athletic standpoint, but Landon Jackson did

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Speaker 1: was another up against Ariante Erser, the tackle from Minnesota

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Speaker 1: he's kind of a guy that people think could be

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Speaker 1: the fourth tackle in this class if you know. Simmons

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Speaker 1: Urser did a lot of really good things this week.

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Speaker 1: He is he Shamar Stewart. No, he's not that kind

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Speaker 1: the game hard. Yeah. And when I think about people

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Speaker 2: And let me ask you a question kind of spinning

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Speaker 2: fueling it up. They were making a lot of plays

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Speaker 2: that's why you have these guys on the team, right,

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Speaker 2: they're like chemistry guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a really great observation by you

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Speaker 1: because it's not only him, but almost every defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: it had juice, like it had like really good juice,

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Speaker 1: line mentioned a couple of them Ursery trapillo, like good

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Speaker 1: They start trying to everything, and it's cool to watch

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Speaker 1: again the second group today, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: them a little bit, a little disappointing, you know, because

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Speaker 1: that didn't participate today. Again, last year was the same thing. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here, and I respect that you gotta

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Speaker 1: But that second practice today felt real sluggish, really flat,

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Speaker 1: And one of our cameramen on the field today said

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Speaker 1: that he heard the guys talking kind of in between drills.

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Speaker 1: He's like, man, I'm sore, I'm banged up, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Tired, let's just get this over with kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons they feel that way is

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Speaker 1: because a lot of the guys have left, so all

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Speaker 1: these guys are taking more reps and it's really fatiguing

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Speaker 1: them in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you have guys like Lyndon Jackson out

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Speaker 2: there who's just got that motor going and he's hyped

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Speaker 2: and he's psyched and the other guys out there doing

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Speaker 2: that too, So then yeah, the rising tides raises all boats. Right,

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Speaker 2: the same thing with energy, you bring the energy, you

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Speaker 2: bring the competitiveness. It's going to benefit everybody out there.

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Speaker 1: And that's one hundred percent right, And and really that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it because I guaran you, like, I've

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Speaker 1: we were talking last night and he's like, Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: really sore my legs, my quad really sore. But when

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Speaker 1: you get the energy like that at practice, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: oh shoot, like let's go. And you see everybody kind

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Speaker 1: of perked up and you can tell they're tired. But

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Speaker 1: when everyone's breaking the juice, and think about this year

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Speaker 1: with the commanders and dan Quinn and the energy drill

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Speaker 1: they do before practice and the enthusiasm, it.

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Speaker 2: Just guys got You got guys like Frankielubao, Yeah, team.

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Speaker 1: Dude, And I think there's some guys like that in here.

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Speaker 1: And my winner for the week is a guy like that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to him.

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Speaker 1: But in addition to that, let's finish with the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And this year Gray, yes, you he had seven

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Speaker 2: Here's the one that I like. Only two penalties all

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you're getting, know your research done,

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Speaker 1: Not to throw this guy under the bus. But Cameron Williams,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think because there's not specifically with receiver,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that's where the depth is in

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Speaker 2: to offensive tackle here. We got one more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got we got two guys, so real quick.

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Speaker 1: next level, which would be really exciting.

431
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 2: Did you see him perform better today and say, pass

432
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,400
Speaker 2: blocking sets or run blocking?

433
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,199
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, he really showed up as a

434
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the call out was great that you

435
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 1: win those three in a row, but to me, it

436
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 1: was the run blocking stuff, and that was something that

437
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,639
Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit after the second the

438
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 1: Trevor Sikomun interview was that, you know, the scouts get

439
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 1: to watch the All twenty two, they get to see

440
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 1: the run lanes, and when I watch him, I watched

441
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,719
Speaker 1: him specifically in the red zone, like just down blocking,

442
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 1: cutting people off. The amount of space he's able to

443
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 1: create is huge, and so when you talk about a

444
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 1: commander's needing to improve as a run blocking team, this

445
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 1: guy's technically very raw, but you see his ability to

446
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 1: oncoil his hips. He's three hundred and forty five pounds. Yeah,

447
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 1: he can just move people off the spots. Great power,

448
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 1: great power. That's a great way to put it, for sure.

449
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 2: And so just my my little like negative one him

450
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: because I don't mean to be negative, but just because

451
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: it applies what I was saying earlier. He has eight

452
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 2: penalties in each of his last two seasons, So that

453
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 2: may give a little bit of a what's the word

454
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, like like a little red flag of

455
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: his rawness, right, Like, so you have to clean that up.

456
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 1: When you mentioned that earlier, I was like, I wonder

457
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: how many penalties Anthony Belton had in college because his

458
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: hands they're all over the place, Like he's bear hugging dudes,

459
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: he's tackling guys, he's pulling guys to the ground. You're like,

460
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to do all that,

461
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: but if you get him with the right coach kind

462
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, yeah, black, actually get him with the

463
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: right coach, I wonder what he turns into and then

464
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 1: how he ends up playing.

465
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, Okay, So we have the interview with

466
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Speaker 2: Trevor Sick about coming up here in just one second.

467
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: So we he said he give us ten minutes. He

468
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 2: gave us fifteen. He's very like that. Yeah, and I

469
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: saw I saw that we we took too much of

470
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Speaker 2: his time. So we try to get him out real quick,

471
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,479
Speaker 2: and in doing that, we cut off what your stud

472
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: was going to be. So, yeah, what we're going to

473
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: talk about, as we mentioned in the teas is that

474
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about guys you wish you saw

475
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: a little bit more from guys that were like okay, yeah,

476
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,239
Speaker 2: all right, that's nice, a nice week. You're not the

477
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: top guy, you're not at the bottom, but like you

478
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 2: had a good week. And then your studs. So he

479
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: gave us all of those and I cut you off

480
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: and didn't let you get your stud in. So let's yeah, yeah, yeah,

481
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: and that's fine. So let's put in Paulson's stud right now.

482
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 2: Who is your stud from the combas.

483
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: So for me, it's alla wu fend me. Oh the

484
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: dead Joe from UCLA, And we talked about him yesterday, right,

485
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: is this kind of surprise? Ed Rusher played linebacker, moved

486
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: do on a defensive line, and when you talk about

487
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: the energy of the first practice, he is the lightning

488
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: rod for that. And one on ones. He rushed at

489
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: defensive end, he rushed at three technique, he rushed at noseguard,

490
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: and his rep versus a noseguard vers is Jonah Monheim

491
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: from usc He won very quickly and immediately started screaming.

492
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: We could hear him up in the stands. The whole

493
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: defense gets excited. They start running up to him, And

494
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: so when they're in the team period and yeah, yeah,

495
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: Black makes that tackle. The first person to go see

496
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: him is old Olidjo excuse me, and he's running over

497
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: to him. Everyone's stapping him up. Lannon Jackson's getting juiced.

498
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: And so in terms of the physical play, the energy

499
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: that he brought, like, he's the guy that I'm like,

500
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you might have been a terrible college

501
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: football player, but you won this week. Yeah, like you

502
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: crushed this week. And we talked about his position change,

503
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 1: and so I've never been probably never since I've done

504
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: this more excited to go watch a player's college film.

505
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me bring that up again in case

506
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: someone didn't listen to our last two episodes, which you

507
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: should go back and listen to him. But yeah, he

508
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: started his career at a middle linebacker, and for UCLA

509
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: this year, about halfway through the season, they went, you

510
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: know what, let's try you at edge and immediately popped

511
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: off with four and a half sacks thirteen point five

512
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: tackles for loss, Like just an immediate change. It's like, Okay,

513
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: this is where you belong. Sorry, we had you over

514
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: there right So but now like, because we've talked several times,

515
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: we don't have to blavor it again that you want

516
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: production at college level to line up with what you're seeing.

517
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,239
Speaker 2: And sometimes the production at college level isn't there because of,

518
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: like you said earlier, scheme, right, And sometimes it's because

519
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's something else there. But sometimes it's just scheme.

520
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: So if you get in the right scheme of the

521
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: right coach, and you can project that production to be there.

522
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: And in UCLA's case, it's a good thing they moved

523
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: him there because that that helps you understand maybe why

524
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: he quote unquote struggled with the stats earlier in his career.

525
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's a guy that really jumped off the

526
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: page for me. And again, and I'm not going to

527
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: say he's the only reason, because there's a lot of

528
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: guys like that. As a rock who's got the Jews Jackson,

529
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: like we just talks about Scout the juice he's he

530
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: brings that energy. Yeah, yeah, Black brings it so that

531
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: it's a more energetic, juiced up group anyway. But I

532
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: think he's a big reason why they're like that, you know,

533
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: like they had a thing on the first day. And

534
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: I heard this on a different podcast, and I missed it,

535
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: but they were like they were doing races in a

536
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: bag drill, right, And so Mike Green, who's like, you know,

537
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: everyone thinks he's going to be a top twenty five pick.

538
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: Maybeah Edge from Marshall, Edge from Marshall goes and the

539
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: whole group. It was like, who's the other alpha in

540
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: the group And it was old day Joe. So he

541
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: had earned the trust and the respect of the group

542
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: for them to be like we want him to do it.

543
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: And I think like that just speaks to the week,

544
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: the week that he's had from a leadership and competitive standpoint,

545
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: like just really really impressive.

546
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's awesome in it and he might be

547
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 2: a guy that might be there for the commanders.

548
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And again like I don't know if

549
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: he fit, Like I don't know if he is if

550
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: his body type fits with what the commanders need. But

551
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: in terms of a guy based on this week, based

552
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 1: on three days, and this is where like the scouting

553
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: comes important. You got to go to the school, you

554
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: got to talk to his high school coach. But god,

555
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: if this is how he gets down like there is

556
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: he is for sure a commander's type player. Lannon Jackson.

557
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: Commander's type player. This guy Commander's type player, and that

558
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: I think is something that again coming out of this week,

559
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: is cool to see.

560
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of teams are going to

561
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: fall in love with him if he continues to be

562
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: like this throughout this process processing up into the draft

563
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: a lot like Darius Robinson last year just stood out

564
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl with like it's like, Okay, he's

565
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: a leader. He's like they just like you said, love

566
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: how he gets down right and then move you know,

567
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: moved himself up up those draft boards. So maybe he's, uh,

568
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: he's this year's Darius Robinson. Okay, so let's move on

569
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: to the second half of practice. We're going to briefly

570
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: talk about some of the guys that a weren't there. Yeah,

571
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: maybe that's why it felt kind of sluggish and a

572
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: little slow, and then just some chout outs before we

573
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: get into our interview with Tremor.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the reason we're not going to give this

575
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: as much time is because this practice was like pulling teeth.

576
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like they were just going through the

577
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: motions to get to the game.

578
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like they've two defensive tackles are out.

579
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Dean Walker, the big defensive tackle from Kentucky, wasn't there.

580
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: The Florida defensive tackle who's had a great week, Terrence

581
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: something was he had to leave practice early. So they're

582
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: repping in guys who like literally their first day of

583
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: practice was today. They were at to begin. They don't

584
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: have any defensive tackles. It was just a little bit

585
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: of a mess, right. You can tell those guys are

586
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: banged up. The offensive line for the other I think

587
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: it's the American team. No, the national team banged up.

588
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: Like.

589
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: It just was a little little messy, little messy.

590
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: And I want to be clear, I'm not blaming the

591
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: players for the lack of energy. Yeah yeah, I'm just

592
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: saying like it just felt like as they walked out,

593
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: like from the coaching staff down it was like, we're

594
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna pull back a little bit today.

595
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: So which makes sense. They've got a couple of injuries,

596
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: like mar Stewart, the defensive end from Alabama that we

597
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: are t XA and M that we've talked about a ton,

598
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't there, so kind of put put his good

599
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: resume in and said I'm done. I'm probably gonna be

600
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: a top twenty five pick now, so I'll I'll see

601
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: it combine. But there are some other guys that I

602
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: think deserve. Like we've talked. We talked about SamArt Stewart

603
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot because he was so good. But there's four

604
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: guys that I just want to mention real quick. So

605
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: number fifteen, Jared Ivy. He's six ' five and three

606
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: eights inches, two hundred and eighty three pounds, thirty three

607
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: and three quarter inch arm is basically the same body

608
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: type as Shamar Stewart. And this dude played defensive end.

609
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: He rushed from a three technique, he played nose guard,

610
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: and he brought just tremendous juice and movement skills in

611
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: athleticism and really, to me, he's not Samar Stewart, because

612
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: Samar Stewart's just he's a little bit more filled out,

613
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more rocked up. It's a little

614
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: bit more violent with his hands, but it's not far off.

615
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: Like there are days when you're watching practice and you're like, oh,

616
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: that's Samar Stewart, but it's actually, you know, Jared Ivy,

617
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: And I think for Samar Stewart to get all this

618
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: credit and no one's talking about Jared Ivy seems a

619
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: little bit unfair because of how physically dominant he was

620
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: at times this year, Like there was during this week

621
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: of practice, there were times where Schama Stewart's playing defensive end,

622
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: Jared Ivy's playing three technique and they both beat their

623
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: guy immediately. They both stuffed the run or he sets

624
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: the edge or sits a knee on a double team.

625
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: And I just came away not knowing a lot about

626
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: him as a player, but seeing the length, the physicality,

627
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: the technique, the energy that he brings, the ability to

628
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: play multiple spots along the defensive line. He's a guy

629
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: that really stood out to me as a guy that

630
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: feels like a second round pick now. But and again,

631
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: if the Commanders, you know, can't get SAMR. Stewart for

632
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: whatever reason, there's other guys like him in this draft

633
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: that are are very physically impressive.

634
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is from Old miss I just wanted to

635
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: throw that out there.

636
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Sorry.

637
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: And PFF has his overall grade and a ninety point six.

638
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: That's pretty high. Very and also he was the MVP

639
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: defensive MVP in the Peach Bowl not last year, but

640
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: the year before, so he's yeah, he's a player like

641
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: he's been around, he's a ball or he knows what's

642
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: going on anybody else.

643
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, just two more defensive ends. Xavion will from LSU.

644
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: He's six ' five and one eighth so a little

645
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: bit shorter, two hundred and eighty nine pound, twohundred and

646
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: ninety pounds, thirty three and a half inch arms and

647
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: very similar to the other two guys we just talked about.

648
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: And that's why he's so impressive. He's a little bit

649
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: all over the place, a little bit of a crazy

650
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: horse in terms of movement, but can rush from the edge,

651
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: can rush from the interior, can hold up versus double

652
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: teams on the interior, and again can set really hard

653
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: edges in the run game. Has a little bit more

654
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: bend than you'd think looking at him, kind of an

655
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: unusual mover, kind of a hunched over kind of running style.

656
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: But again, like I like flexibility in the defense. I

657
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: know Joe Whitt Junior likes flexibility and defense. And these

658
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: three dudes to me, including Samar Stewart from A and

659
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: M All kind of fit that mold to me of

660
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: guys that could play. I can rush from the edge

661
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: on first and second down, as a good solid pass rusher.

662
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: I can also rush as a three technique, I can

663
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: play four. Iye, and a pinch like that to me

664
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: is tremendous. And they all were very productive this week.

665
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: And then another guy is R. J. Open from Notre Dame.

666
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: He's sixty three and three eights, two hundred and fifty

667
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: five pounds, He's got thirty three to couarter inch arms.

668
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: He just flashes a rusher to me, like when they

669
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: did one on ones, he just had didn't maybe not

670
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: winning every single rep, but the ability to bend some

671
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: good handwork, excellent first step get off. And I don't know,

672
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: I got to watch more of his college stuff. I've

673
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: only watched one game of his and I didn't really

674
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: get I didn't get that what I saw today from

675
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: his film so or what I saw from the last

676
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: three days from his film. So, a guy that we

677
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: in terms of giving guys late shoutouts in the week,

678
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: just definitely deserves a shout out because he brought great energy,

679
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: very competitive, He shows those couple of things you need

680
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: to see from top end pass rushers, and so I

681
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: just want to make sure our listeners got got a

682
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: feel for what he is.

683
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: So The next guy I want you to bring up

684
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: real quick. You mentioned him a linebacker in the rundown,

685
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: But linebacker for me is very hard to tell what is.

686
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: There? So this, this is what I'll say to you

687
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: about this guy, right, Tamar James from Florida. He's six

688
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: one and three eight so almost six two, two hundred

689
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: and twenty seven pounds. Hes got thirty and a half

690
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: inch arms. That feels like a safety to me. Right.

691
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: So the things that you do well at the Senior Bowl,

692
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: right that where you get recognition are you cover and

693
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: you make splash plays in the run game by running

694
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: sideline a sideline Okay. The technical like I'm gonna take

695
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: on a block, I'm gonna dent the edge, I'm gonna

696
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: sit this double team down, I'm gonna blitz like that

697
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't show up as much because you're in practice. Right,

698
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna get the same kind of what's

699
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: the word, same kind of down to down kind of

700
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: head bashing things that you'd get from normal linebacker play. Right,

701
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: It's more like can he cover? Yes? Like Demetrius Knight,

702
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: the linebacker that everyone kind of came in watching. I

703
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: think he's from South Carolina fits that mold. He's six

704
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: to one, he's two forty six, He's got long arms,

705
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms, and he can really like thump

706
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, right. He had a big hit yesterday

707
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: in practice, so that's he's probably going to be a

708
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: more successful professional linebacker. But Sherman James, like in one

709
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: on ones covered really well. Had he had the highest

710
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: miles per hour in terms of running for a linebacker

711
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl over the last three days twenty

712
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: miles an hour, which is absolutely moving. He is able

713
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: to trigger in the run game and get down hill.

714
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: He had a couple tackles for losses. But I wonder if,

715
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: like when you're in a game situation, how much does

716
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: that speed, how much does that velocity actually show up?

717
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: Because he only has thirty and a half inch arms.

718
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: So think about, for example, the linebackers that the Washington

719
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: Commanders drafted last year. Dominic Campton, safety linebacker. He's got

720
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: thirty three and a half inch arms. Jeremy McGhee has

721
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I think they're If they're not, they're like thirty three

722
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: in a quarter, right, Like they're long armed guys, because

723
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you need those long arms to keep offensive Lineman off. You.

724
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: This guy's fast, he's athletic, he's a great coverage player

725
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: that feels like a special teams guys maybe to me

726
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: at the next level, like a guy with that kind

727
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: of juice and speed and pop. But I think he's

728
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: going to struggle to actually play linebacker. But he had

729
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: a great week. He covered well, He did the things

730
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: that the Senior Bowl for linebackers shows them, and I

731
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: felt like we need to shout him out.

732
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he this season was his best college season

733
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: with sixty four tackles. He had a couple of past

734
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: the defenses as well, so could in coverage as an

735
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: interception and two sacks. This year it was his best

736
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: statistical year. He's a former five star recruiter that chose

737
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: Florida over Alabama, Georgia and Florida State and Auburn. So

738
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: the reason I'm saying all that is to back up

739
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: what you're saying, like he looks like an athlete. Also, Mobile,

740
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: Alabama is his hometown, so he was playing in front

741
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: of his family. I'm sure it's helt very at home here.

742
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: So he had a good week.

743
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so is he going to be an NFL linebacker?

744
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Probably not, But is he going to be a special

745
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: teams player, maybe have a package on defense? I could

746
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: see for him again, because at mobile you don't like

747
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: you're not taking it. It's like team run, you know

748
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. You're not taking on blocks, you're not

749
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: denting stuff the same way. So while he had a

750
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: good week, I'm not sure. We'll have to go watch

751
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: this film a little bit more closely to see if

752
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: any of that stuff translates in a way that maybe

753
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: we're not anticipating.

754
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, so now it's time we're done here

755
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. We'll have an interview right now

756
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 2: with PFF's lead draft guru, god By Trevor sac Yeah,

757
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: he's a friend of the pot. He comes on. We'll

758
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: have him on a couple of times this year. He's

759
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: always very nice and especially with his time. And you

760
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: two have a little bit of a disagreement. We do, right,

761
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: So it gets a little heated. I would say that

762
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: if he was maybe one hundred pounds bigger, he would

763
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: have thrown fist with you. But he is much smaller

764
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: than you, so I think he was more reserved. But

765
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: it got really heated.

766
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: You hit you.

767
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: Now I'm just kidding you. Guys are very respectful. But

768
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good debate over a big name that

769
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: was here at the Senior Bowl. So stick around for that,

770
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: all right, everybody, here's Trevor Sikima. All right, Logan, we

771
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: are here with our very special guests from PFF. Trevor Sikima,

772
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: lead draft analyst, got to write this time here go. Yeah,

773
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: Logan gets it wrong every time I told him he

774
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: should make a bit out of it. Just give you

775
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: some random title. Every time you come up.

776
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: You can beat me up.

777
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: So my rule is I don't correct people who could

778
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: beat me up, like the kicker from the Replacements.

779
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: That's what I want to hear.

780
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: All right, So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna

781
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: talk about three guys each, so six in total. A

782
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: guy that had a We'll start with a kay, you

783
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: want to see a little bit more from right, Like

784
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: they came out to Senior Bowl and I don't know,

785
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: it's just you're neither here nor there on them. You

786
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: want to see a little more. The next one is, hey,

787
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: they had a good performance. They're not gonna be on

788
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: hitting social media in the viral post and you're not

789
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: gonna hear their name a lot. But hey, good week,

790
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: you did, you did good, you're nice, did a night,

791
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: had a nice thing year? And then guy that stood

792
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: out right, So we'll do the stood out last, because

793
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: that's how you tease in the business, all right, So Logan,

794
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: why don't you kick it off for us?

795
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: So this is the one. What are we doing starting

796
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: with or starting with guys.

797
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: That were yeah, yeah, you want to see more from

798
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: So for me, I.

799
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: Think it's Jalen Rivers, the guard Tackle from Miami. And

800
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: again I think he I really liked this film, like

801
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: really strong dude, great anchor, kind of slow feet, and

802
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: I thought in the one on one today, I don't

803
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: think he won one of them, and obviously, like you'd

804
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: like to see some type of consistency. There was some

805
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: good stuff in team which I thought was good physicality,

806
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: good understanding, good leadership stuff. But I came in kind

807
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: of thinking this guy could potentially be a starting guard

808
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And so now when there's that kind

809
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: of struggle with the quicker, faster edge rusher or interior rushers,

810
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, maybe I gotta go back and

811
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: look at the film one more time and again that's

812
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: not not again. The film's good. He played tackle who

813
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: played guard at Miami. Big physical dude, but just kind

814
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: of puts a little question there for you about where

815
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: he is long term.

816
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: And he played well Day one. Yes, this this this

817
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: event was a little bit back when it came to

818
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: the trenches. Normally, day one, it's the d line that

819
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: absolutely dominates, right because it's a lot of one on ones.

820
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: The drill is sort of set up for them to win.

821
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: The offensive lineman. They don't watch a lot of tape

822
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: on these guys beforehand. They don't know their strength, they

823
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: don't know their speed, and so normally defensive linemen get

824
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: the better of the offensive lineman to start the week.

825
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: This week, for this particular Senior Bowl, I feel like

826
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: the offensive line came out and came das immediately. And

827
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: Jalen Rivers was one of those guys day one who

828
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: I thought played really well at that guard spot. It

829
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: was very intriguing, but kind of to your point, like

830
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: you would want to see that sustain over a three

831
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: day period to really be a riser at this event.

832
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: And so still intrigued by him just because of the

833
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 3: first Day one he played played well but yeah, I

834
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: could see sort of Okay, it was a really good

835
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: week for him that dropped off a little bit.

836
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 4: Then yeah, wanted to see a little bit more for

837
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: him their consistency.

838
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then again that's that's part of the deal here.

839
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: It's like this is one data point, you know, so

840
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: you kind of want to see. So that's the other thing.

841
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Like Brandon Coleman last year was kind of up and

842
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: down at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, but he was a

843
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: great player for the Washington Commanders this year. So like,

844
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: just because you have a poor or kind of lukewarm

845
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl doesn't mean you're not going to be a

846
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: great pro, right, just keep that in mind.

847
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: More up, it's more of an event where I was

848
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: telling somebody this the other day, Like the baseline of

849
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: the event is putting guys in two buckets?

850
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: Are you an NFL player? Are you not?

851
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: And it's almost like you take away much more of

852
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: the positives than you do the negatives because there's so

853
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: many variables about this week that kind of are going

854
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: against you. You're not watching film, new coaching staff, probably

855
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: not getting a lot of sleep, You're getting pulled in

856
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 3: a lot of different directions. You get a lot of media,

857
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: and so it's like all this kinds of stuff kind

858
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 3: of prohibits you from probably playing your best.

859
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: And then if you stand out, it's like, Okay, that's noteworthy.

860
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: And if you have a little bit of an up

861
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: and down rough week, it's like, Okay, it's not like

862
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: you said, like with Coleman, it's not like a kiss

863
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: of death or anything, but it's just sort of something

864
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: that you got to think about moving forward throughout the

865
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: rest of You're so the guy that I want to

866
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: see more of the there's no doubt about it, is

867
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: Jackson dar At, the quarterback from Hole Miss, And you know,

868
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: we're not really going to see more of him before

869
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: Draft Day when it comes to actual on the field play.

870
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: But this is somebody who the numbers are fantastic. I

871
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: mean even our scores at PFF. I mean, he's got

872
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 3: elite passing numbers on you know, clean pocket situations, early

873
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: passing down situations. He's got good numbers when you talk

874
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: about scrambling, when you talk about under pressure. So he

875
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: performs really well. But I think Lane Kiffin's system allows

876
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 3: you to perform very well. Kind of simplifies things for

877
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: you where you're really only putting one defender in conflict,

878
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: if you will, And it's a play where it's like,

879
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: all right, we'll read this defender. If he's going this way,

880
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: you're going high. If he's going this way, you're going low.

881
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: And so he was.

882
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: He's a great two sport athlete, played baseball in high school.

883
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: There's a lot to like about this player. But something

884
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: that was very intriguing about him this week is one,

885
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: I was looking to see what he was like in

886
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: his confidence level, was like outside of that Lane Kiffin system.

887
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: But two, this guy played over night.

888
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: He had over nine hundred dropbacks over the last two

889
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: years as starting quarterback for Ole mess Nine of them

890
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: came under center, and I think a handful of them

891
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: came in victory formation. So just he's never an under

892
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 3: center quarterback. He had three funnels this week under center

893
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: when they were trying to put him in those uncomfortable situations.

894
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: And you could say to yourself, Hey, if we draft

895
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: this guy, he's clearly just a shotgun comfortable quarterback. But

896
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: how many teams in the NFL are Josh. I mean,

897
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: it's like the Bengals with Zach Taylor. You know, it's

898
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: Brian Callahan with the Titans, and it's like there's just

899
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: not a lot. I mean, I know Cliff Kingsbury does

900
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff from the shotgun as well, but

901
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: it's just there's not a ton of shotgun only offenses

902
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: and shotgun only offense coordinator. So that was part of

903
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: like the questions of like, all right, this is what

904
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: we would like to see from Darten failed seems like

905
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: a hard harsh word. We didn't see him look super

906
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: comfortable in those new and in there's new situations like

907
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: we would have.

908
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: Wanted to see one hundred percent. But I also thought,

909
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: like of the guys throwing, he threw it the best,

910
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: Like it comes out of his hand the best.

911
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: He's got it in a middle arm, there's no doubt

912
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 4: about it.

913
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: So like in terms of your like evaluation, like how

914
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: would you wait this performance? Like did you like where

915
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: did you have him before today? And then where do

916
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: you have him now?

917
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: I guess it's I'm kind of a skeptic of a

918
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 3: lot of the quarterbacks that come from Lane Kiffin's system.

919
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: Now I think Jackson Dart is better than it's like

920
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: a Matt corral right, who's like the most recent guy.

921
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: I think that Jackson Dart is more talented than Matt

922
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 3: Corow was. I think he's built more like an NFL player,

923
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: and you just mentioned the arm talent, so I think

924
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: all of that is there. But he is somebody who

925
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: I would be worried about taking high and then because

926
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: he's a high draft pick, tempted to play him right away.

927
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: I just think that you're going to go through a

928
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 3: lot of ups and downs in that regard. So maybe

929
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: he gets in a situation where hopefully he can sit

930
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: for a year or two whatever, and we'll see what

931
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: the situation is like for him. But there are other

932
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: people who are here. You think maybe he's the third

933
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: quarterback off the board.

934
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 4: I don't know where that goes.

935
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: If that means like he's a first round pick or

936
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: now one of those No I am. I am again,

937
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm more of a I am more hesitant on that

938
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: just because you feel I guess, so the third guy

939
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: for me, I guess it's a little bit of an

940
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: interesting segue. I had Milroe is QB three sort of

941
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: going in this event, but I mean, Miilroe was just

942
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: continuously inconsistent.

943
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you the.

944
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: Biggest takeaway that I have for jayl and Milroe this

945
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: week is unfortunately a negative, and it's actually the hand size.

946
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: I didn't think that his hand size was going to

947
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: be as small as it was. And I know we

948
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: had this conversation what wasn't four years ago with Burrow

949
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: and everybody.

950
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: Was like who cares?

951
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: Right?

952
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know what's to throw the ball.

953
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: But for Milroe, you got to think about it practically,

954
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: and it actually matters for him because he's got eight

955
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: and three fours inch hand size, which is just second

956
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: percentile for NFL quarterbacks. He's got small hands for the

957
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: NFL level. His throwing motion is so twitched up. It

958
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: is so fast that when you don't have bigger hands

959
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: to truly just control the football all the way through

960
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: the throwing motion and out of your wrist, that's where

961
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: some of those little ball placement in accuracy issues come from.

962
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: So I get worried about that because I don't think

963
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: his throwing motion is going to get any slower.

964
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: You don't want it to be.

965
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: He's a great athlete, he's got a live arm to him.

966
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: But I wonder if it's just he's never really going

967
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: to be able to have that grip on the football

968
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: that you need to throw the football the way that

969
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: he stylistically does, and so I like his talent. I

970
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: think he's an NFL player. He's got great rushing ability

971
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: and everything I've heard about this kid is that he's

972
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: a great, great work ethic and whatever you think the

973
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: ceiling is for Jalen Milroe, you think he's got the

974
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: He's made up of the stuff to get to it.

975
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: So that's such a that's such a crucial part for

976
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: me when it comes to evaluating these quarterbacks, and that's

977
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: why I have him at QB three. But it's it's

978
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: just tough when again you see the measurements and you go, man,

979
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: is this just gonna be who is who he is?

980
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: And it's tough for him to It's tough for you

981
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: to look at his film and think the accuracy that

982
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: he is right now is who he's going to be,

983
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 3: because that's not good enough to be an NFL starter.

984
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: It's got to get better one way enough.

985
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're luke warm on both those guys.

986
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: I am, yeah, I kind of like kind of something

987
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: you want to see more from both. Who's the guy

988
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: that you were kind of liked a really good but

989
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: kind of kind of quiet week, maybe not a social

990
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: media week.

991
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: I think that the two wide receivers from Iawa State,

992
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: I think have had pretty good weeks this year.

993
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be get like I mean, just

994
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: they were good coming in right now.

995
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: But Jalen Nole is the one where I look at

996
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: him and I think Jayden Higgins, his teammate, gets a

997
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: lot of just like the higher notoriety. I think he's

998
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: higher on wide receiver list, but Noel, he's smaller, he's

999
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: more compact, but he's quicker, he's more explosive, he's got

1000
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: better body control, and he is somebody who I felt

1001
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: like was a little bit more consistent the whole week.

1002
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: And I like, no I've watched his film over the

1003
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: last couple of years, and he's somebody who I think

1004
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: he had a pretty good week. Again, it's you're not

1005
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: gonna see the social media eclipse from him, but he

1006
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: just feels like.

1007
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: He's an NFL player in a year or two.

1008
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: If you hear about him as the wide receiver three

1009
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: for some team, and he's just he's just eating every

1010
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: single week. He's getting you know, three four catches for

1011
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: forty fifty sixty yards a week and he's just contributing

1012
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: to the passing game. You go, that's a valuable player.

1013
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: So he's somebody who, again I don't know if he's

1014
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: necessarily wowed, but I think you're impressed with what he is,

1015
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: knowing that that's sort of gonna be his role at

1016
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: the NFL level because you're seeing it out here.

1017
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I was really impressed that he kind

1018
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: of did most of his stuff for a lot of

1019
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: his stuff outside on the perimeter this week, which again,

1020
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: like you think I when I watched him, I was like,

1021
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: he's more of a slot guy. But again, to have

1022
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: like the horsepower they're out running nuance to win outside

1023
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: kind of like in the deep water, I thought was

1024
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: really impressive. But that's not something that you're going to

1025
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: see on like a TikTok right or something, you know

1026
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. Zone, It's like, oh, look at his alignment.

1027
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: That's kind of boring. So for me, I'm gonna go

1028
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was said, we got Jealen Travis, the

1029
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: left tackle or right tackle from Iowa. SA nice, And

1030
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: I think the thing about him is like he measured

1031
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: really well and kind of a small school guy that

1032
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: transferred in tow Iiowa State obviously, and I liked his

1033
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I liked his physicality. I liked how

1034
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: he kind of was able to pass protec move his feet,

1035
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: and didn't like, you know, like wow, not going to

1036
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of pancake blocks or anything like that.

1037
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: But a guy that I thought showed that in a

1038
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: year or two could be you know, NFL swing maybe

1039
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: a right tackle starting caliber player at some point in

1040
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: his career. So that was one that I really, I

1041
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: really thought no one was talking about, and I thought

1042
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: he did a great job this week.

1043
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: I haven't watched him a ton, I really haven't.

1044
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: But the offensive tackle group, I think in general, is

1045
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: making some money for them last week, and even even

1046
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: the guys who aren't you know, just absolutely dominating out there,

1047
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: like you said, they measure they're probably measured in physically.

1048
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: For like NFL tackles, there's just gonna be a lot

1049
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: of guys who were at this event where either going

1050
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: to get drafted to play tackle or even maybe move inside.

1051
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of NFL caliber offensive tackles, even

1052
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: though it might not be the top ten guys a

1053
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: lot of guys in this class, but there's I mean,

1054
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: there's just it's littered with offensive linemen.

1055
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: All right, So now who's your stud for the week.

1056
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 4: Mike Green. Mike Green, the addresser from Marshall.

1057
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Dude, it so funny. I almost put him as my

1058
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: like I wanted more from.

1059
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 4: Him, Okay, all right, what'd you want more?

1060
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, I think as you hyped him up so much

1061
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: on your show, honestly, because when I came in, he

1062
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: because he's good. No, no, So I'll tell you this.

1063
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: So like when I came in, I was expecting a

1064
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: guy I kind of like a lot too lot to

1065
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: last year. He just was like a like a killer, yeah,

1066
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: like a guy who just had that innate feel. And

1067
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: so like when I was watching him, like Anthony ben

1068
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: Anthony Belton beats him on a one on one.

1069
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: Javis had a good week. That's a good shadow too.

1070
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jalen Travis won a couple one on ones against him,

1071
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I want to see him

1072
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: just be dominant. And again he has the one big

1073
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: rep that everyone saw on social media. He murders the

1074
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: guy from Oregon who had a great Week two. But

1075
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: I just thought i'd see more a guy with seventeen

1076
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: sacks in college, I thought there'd be more consistent wins.

1077
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: So I think that was the thing that said got

1078
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: to me.

1079
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 3: So I think he really leaned on winning with athleticism

1080
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: this week, and I think that he is. He's just

1081
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: a reach your sophomore coming out of coming out of Marshall,

1082
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even sure if he was going to

1083
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: declare this year. So I can see where you're coming

1084
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: from of like, okay, because certainly if you compare him

1085
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: to a lot, to him mean a lot too, was

1086
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: like a like a black belt in karate with a hand.

1087
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm saying is like I thought

1088
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: that's that was the expectation. I was talking about him

1089
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: maybe in a top twenty five.

1090
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: Pick and so so to me, he's he's a top

1091
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: twenty five pick less because of how polished he is

1092
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: and more because of I just think he's a great athlete.

1093
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: And beyond the one rep that, yeah, you're talking about

1094
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: where he absolutely bulldoze Josh Connery, there are a couple

1095
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: where so he's a form basketball player and like he

1096
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: does he does like the hesy move to try to

1097
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: like cross people up before he gets to attack either

1098
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: the inside or outside shoulder. I love that he showed

1099
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: up and he was two hundred and fifty pounds and

1100
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: he looks like a solid two hundred fifty punds right

1101
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: for sure. He does not look like, oh he's just

1102
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: put on waterway for this event or whatever. The arm

1103
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: length is short, the armlengked is shorter, so he will

1104
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: have to be more precise with his handwork to continue

1105
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: to win at the NFL level. But I just feel

1106
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: like I saw the first step exposion. This really stood

1107
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: out more like you're more like the traits were there

1108
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

1109
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I I agree with.

1110
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: I checked to the athleticism boxes with Mike Green this

1111
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: week because I was I was like, Okay, that's a

1112
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: first round caliber edge rusher when you come to just

1113
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: the explosiveness and who he is.

1114
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: Maybe not as polish as like to, but yeah the

1115
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 4: trade already get that polished.

1116
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, was a maniac.

1117
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that dude was again like a just a karate

1118
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: master with with how he kept himself clean with the

1119
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: hand usage.

1120
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, really karate master. I like that term.

1121
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: Guys. Awesome conversation. I bet all the other justic guys

1122
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: like me have learned a whole lot. I really enjoyed

1123
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: Trevor when you when you joined the show. Your insights

1124
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: are always excellent. Everybody can catch you on the NFL

1125
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: stock Exchange for PFF. So thank you once again Trevor

1126
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: for joining us the PFF senior lead Draft dude.

1127
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, let's just keep if you make it

1128
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 3: a little bit longer. Again, like, I'm never gonna correct

1129
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: you on it. So it's always great hopping on with you, guys.

1130
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

1131
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: This is it.

1132
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: This is always great.

1133
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. So that's gonna be a ticket

1134
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: to the draft. That's gonna be us wrapping it up

1135
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: here from the Senior Bowl. Thanks for listening.

1136
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: Guys.

1137
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: We will come to you weekly and then once we

1138
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: get through the combine, we'll do these daily. Since and

1139
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: so logan sign us off.

1140
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Speaker 3: M hm m hm.