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Speaker 1: First season of the Power Force show. I was in

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Speaker 1: and He's like, take a cab home.

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Speaker 2: I said no.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was looking like Tommy. He had

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Speaker 1: just had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on,

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Speaker 1: black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice,

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Speaker 1: super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast car pulls

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Speaker 1: up on State Street and I just hear, you know,

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Speaker 1: side back seat had both two young bloods pulled out

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Speaker 1: pistols yep, and I just I was just like, my

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Speaker 1: immediately went through my mind. I said, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, a million tops really fast, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna get shot. I hope the

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Speaker 1: bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my

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Speaker 1: wife afterwards. But I'm sitting there just dead staring at

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Speaker 1: these guys. I couldn't totally see the driver except he

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Speaker 1: had a green baseball camp on, and they're like, they're like,

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Speaker 1: you know some time. Then two girls came around the corner.

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Speaker 1: They screamed ran away, and then uh draff ghost And

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Speaker 1: I'm just standing there like just staring at these guys

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Speaker 1: and it got the dripper just cools. Man, I told

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Speaker 1: you Tommy was that and word, I told you Tommy

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Speaker 1: was that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said that because you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Work yes, And I was just standing there like you know,

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Speaker 1: basically myself and like, you know, just.

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Speaker 2: They just cold.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like going through Like God, I hope this

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Speaker 1: bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my

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Speaker 1: wife like where's it going to hit? Like, I ain't

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Speaker 1: fifty don't hit me nine times? Just once is good enough?

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know when I first when I first met Murder,

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Speaker 1: I was it was do you remember this. I was

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Speaker 1: driving on eighth Alf with Cali. Yeah, and I and

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Speaker 1: I I'm driving up eighth Ave and and I just

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Speaker 1: seen him walk and I was like.

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Speaker 2: Yo, Murder and He's like, oh ship Tommy two of

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Speaker 2: the power that was beginning. I was like, yeah, that

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Speaker 2: early stages, my man. Cali used always tell me. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you ain't riding no tom Ship. I still remember that.

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Speaker 1: That was very murder.

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Speaker 2: And I know you knew about hip hop because that's

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Speaker 2: what you start talking to me about all types of

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Speaker 2: sarrested peace kse slave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, all that that is so much harder than

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Speaker 1: than I because it's like I became obviously became friends

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Speaker 1: with him because of the Power Show, but like he

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Speaker 1: was like a hero to me because of the graffiti,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he was dad. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: like original you know, T M T.

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was one of the best. And he credited me

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Speaker 1: to get for getting him back into.

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Speaker 2: Graffiti look at that.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, then I would do his videos

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Speaker 1: with him.

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Speaker 2: And blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But like he was just such an inspres And then

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Speaker 1: when he I did that song with Millie's and uh,

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Speaker 1: who else was on that?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you was rapping right yeah, because he was like,

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Speaker 1: He's like, yo, I have I have one of my

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Speaker 1: young boys write you write your verses. I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I write my own verses. And then I heard these

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Speaker 1: guys and I was like, yo, heye.

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Speaker 3: Stop pirate, I leave it.

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Speaker 1: Stop yeah stop na do Stoyle Park.

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Speaker 4: So this is what this is what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: You got to get a dog. See what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: They listened to this one. I'm gonna get a something

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Speaker 1: and a robber bank from me.

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Speaker 3: You got Joseph Scora in the buildings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is with his dog Pirate, and we talked

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Speaker 4: about Case Slater relationships.

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Speaker 3: Definitely. I think when he passed, I think you was

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Speaker 3: reaching out to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 3: He reached out to me or somebody.

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Speaker 1: There was something I hit.

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Speaker 2: I hit you up.

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Speaker 1: I mean because I was hitting up Renee like what's

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Speaker 1: heard from him in a minute, and his brother like

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Speaker 1: we had just I just seen him too. I just

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Speaker 1: seen him because we did that that cut with with

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Speaker 1: Millies and man Pirate put you want to come over here?

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Speaker 2: They know I'm not a feeling of dogs like that.

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Speaker 2: And my man Joseph decides to bring his dog on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 3: Today, shout the dog.

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Speaker 1: Three want to get up here, so just to show

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Speaker 1: up who you work with, my hush, get up.

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Speaker 2: I don't got no problem with the trained dogs. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. My ma had joke I him

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Speaker 2: under control, under.

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Speaker 3: Control, so yo. So we got to hear his vers

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Speaker 3: on that because I'm trying to Mills do we just.

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Speaker 2: Have on the shows. He's dope.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's my job. He came out to the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: We were filming the Power Show, and he came out

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Speaker 1: just to say what's up? Like season three? With Season

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Speaker 1: three when I run over the guy the you know

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Speaker 1: in the red car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Milsey came

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Speaker 1: out and then I looked him up. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this guy's this guy's fresh. I just remember one of

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Speaker 1: my things was the most powerful in power with the powder.

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Speaker 1: I'm like power steering the gear that I'm clearing, it

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Speaker 1: is clear to the ceiling. I'm so nice with these buildsies.

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Speaker 1: I'm so nice with this gear that these dollar bills

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Speaker 1: is catching feeling?

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Speaker 2: Talk that talk?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you think is better? Him a ghost ghosts ghosts.

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Speaker 1: We run very differently.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Joseph.

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Speaker 3: Joe Yo.

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Speaker 4: But Joe, I know you come from Chicago and I'm

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Speaker 4: playing an intense character like Tommy Megan.

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Speaker 3: Where do you get that energy from? Like, like how

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Speaker 3: do you prep before?

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of it is

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Speaker 1: uh like the prep prep work you know that you

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Speaker 1: do just from being an actor. Like I tried to

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Speaker 1: base them a lot on Dutch Schultz and read a

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Speaker 1: lot about Dutch Schultz, you know the beer Baring of

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Speaker 1: the Bronx. Arthur Flaigenheimer was his real name. He was

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Speaker 1: just like he was a rowdy dude, but also there

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Speaker 1: there was a humanity. There was this story of like

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Speaker 1: when Lucky Luciano was creating the commission the Five Families,

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Speaker 1: he embarrassed. It was just saying because Dutch Schultz was

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Speaker 2: It was this movie, the Dutch So movie that they

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Speaker 2: had on. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, me too. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean he but he was ruthless. Was that he

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Speaker 1: would have rags that were soaking in goner Rhea like

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Speaker 1: meat hooks and wrap it around their eyes, which is intense.

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Speaker 1: But then then he was so he was so sad

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Speaker 1: that he cried in a meeting in front of these

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Speaker 1: then also how he got killed was he was killed

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Speaker 1: in Newark and he was at a restaurant and he

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Speaker 1: Albert and Nastasia and for murder Ink and shot him

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Speaker 1: shot off and he pulled up his pants, crawled back

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Speaker 2: It's like, what movie was that he hated? His name?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Author Arthur fly.

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Speaker 1: Look was in there?

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Speaker 3: What was the movie with?

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about watching all the time,

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Speaker 4: Dutch Schultz was in it in which was black actor?

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Speaker 2: Man, Oh, you're talking about the Hallow movie. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: the Harlem and you don't know what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: with He was the one that hallowed with Bump with

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Speaker 2: Bumpy John.

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Speaker 4: That was was I never seem like a Dutch Shows movie.

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Speaker 4: But the hood of the movie is what I knew

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Speaker 4: dut schochs for. He died that same exact.

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Speaker 3: Way on that they got it from him, Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: got from that movie.

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Speaker 1: But see there was some of that like that's like

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Speaker 1: I wanted that feeling of Tommy. But then it's like

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Speaker 1: I also, you know, played around in the streets in

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Speaker 1: was scared of, Like you get into those situations and

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Speaker 1: like these guys that are just you know, you guys.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know, it's like whereas you get into

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Speaker 1: don't piss that guy off, laugh at his jokes, make

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Speaker 4: That was your first day on set, because like when

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Speaker 4: you look at Power, like we put it up there

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Speaker 4: with the wire, Sopranos had a long run best some

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Speaker 4: of the best actors, like we see Michael Rainey turn

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Speaker 4: from a kid to a man on that show was

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Speaker 4: like what eight years and then yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Was eight years of a run six and a half seasons,

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Speaker 1: and fifth called it out season one. He said it's

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Speaker 1: this shows going to run for seven seasons and he

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Speaker 1: was right. I mean it ran for six and a half.

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Speaker 1: So technically that last season and seventh, ye it ran

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Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if that he had

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Speaker 1: that in his mind beforehand or if it was like contract,

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Speaker 1: whatever it was. I just was just like, this said

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen, It's gonna have So how long is.

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Speaker 2: The whole Power universe been going on.

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Speaker 1: We started People got cast in twenty thirteen, so thirteen

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Speaker 2: We were in November some time. We'd be like eight ten, thirteen,

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Speaker 2: thirteen years. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And our first the first season or the first shot

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Speaker 1: of the that was ever filmed, was me and Jr.

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Speaker 1: Who played Julio, and we were in we were in

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Speaker 1: Queen's woodside. Uh and it was and it was it

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Speaker 1: was ana balls. It was the tainos in the bag

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Speaker 1: playing playing the dominoes. We went back there. I still

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Speaker 1: remember that day was It's just great. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was a great. It's a great day.

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Speaker 2: I still remember like it was yesterday. Look at that,

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Speaker 2: look at the perfect storm.

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Speaker 1: But a great cast though. Mario Harrock was amazing as Ghosts.

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Speaker 3: And come on, everybody love Ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sin Kuai Walls I thought was great as Sean

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Speaker 1: is you know Canaan's son fifties son Jinkwi Walls.

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to act like you see how Michael

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Speaker 2: and and like how they cool. Did you and ghost

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Speaker 2: ever have that off kima relationship like that, like outside

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Speaker 2: of work, did you have a relationship like.

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Speaker 1: But we're a lot older, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're both married. You know, he his family, he's he

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Speaker 1: had his daughter and then his son, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: he was busier in that way. Like, Yeah, we hung

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Speaker 4: It's so crazy, man, The legacy is crazy. Talk about

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Speaker 3: Good the Hood Favorite Man, everybody left power, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you'll like she is subscribed. We got the

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Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking, if you want to your own little

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Speaker 2: With my Also, you protected, You're protected. There you go.

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Speaker 3: Man, taking too fucking loan. You're taking too long?

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Speaker 2: So what was the reason like that? You got to ask, you.

442
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Speaker 1: Ass fifth, I don't, I don't know. I don't even

443
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Speaker 1: want to pontificate because it doesn't. It doesn't. I can't

444
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Speaker 1: make any sense of it.

445
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: So it's it's just most of the episodes is already

446
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 2: it was all done.

447
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: Like it was where we were locked and loaded for

448
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Speaker 1: a long time.

449
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Speaker 3: But Mark, it's not the only show because Godfather Hallam

450
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Speaker 3: did the same ship.

451
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Speaker 1: It takes long, thanks, oh sure, And even think about

452
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Speaker 1: the Sopranos sometimes like some of those so some of

453
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Speaker 1: those seasons took a long long time too. So it's

454
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Speaker 1: something that I can't talk about because I don't know.

455
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Speaker 2: It just it just might know.

456
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: It just annoys the fans.

457
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: Probably probably.

458
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 3: I think it's more of a.

459
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 4: Production thing, if anything, because a lot of other shows

460
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Speaker 4: are doing it.

461
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Speaker 1: Too, like time slides or you know, there's a lot

462
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Speaker 1: of it's it's not to not to say another g

463
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Speaker 1: unit thing, but the power of the dollar, you know

464
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Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like, that's really what it comes

465
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Speaker 1: down to. How does it How can we say to

466
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Speaker 1: these people, to this publicly traded company, which stars is

467
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Speaker 1: how do we make it make sense? The best way

468
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Speaker 1: people are making money on the money they invested. I'm

469
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Speaker 1: sure that's plays a part two. I've always been grateful

470
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Speaker 1: to have a job.

471
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Speaker 4: Definitely, Shelter Stars man, y'all did a good job with

472
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Speaker 4: Power to Force, Canaan d MF.

473
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Speaker 3: The list goes on and on and on.

474
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Speaker 1: Tony Yo's favorite Outlander.

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know it's the question we ask,

476
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: was that you shout a commercial with Michael Jordan as.

477
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Speaker 1: A kid, Jeffrey Jordan's baby.

478
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Speaker 3: Shelter Michael Jordans We need some sneakers up here.

479
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Speaker 2: That's so come on?

480
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Speaker 3: How was it?

481
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Speaker 2: How was it?

482
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: How old was you and how was that?

483
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Speaker 1: I was thirteen? It was nineteen eighty nine, I think,

484
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: and maybe it came out in nineteen ninety the commercial,

485
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: but uh, I was this beautiful blonde haired boy going

486
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Speaker 1: is Michael Jordans And I just remember him being and

487
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Speaker 1: you know, at six six, like you think about all

488
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Speaker 1: the players now like seven something like you know, six

489
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Speaker 1: eleven and all that. Michael Jordan at six six.

490
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Speaker 2: You know.

491
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Speaker 1: Granted I was small now, not that I'm I'll never

492
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Speaker 1: be tall, but he just seemed impossibly big and so

493
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Speaker 1: like just lanky. And remember this was this was Jordan

494
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Speaker 1: eighty nine. So it was like it was before the

495
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Speaker 1: before everything kind of exploded exploded, but it was it.

496
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Speaker 3: Was it was a like Mike commercial, like Mike.

497
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was it was like, no, I

498
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Speaker 1: wish it was that this would put this man.

499
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Speaker 3: That was that was before that commercial.

500
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Speaker 1: It was before that this this paid for a lot

501
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: of my college that commercial that okay, look at that

502
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: and my parents. So I have been an actor. I'm

503
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: about to turn fifty and I had been an actor

504
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Speaker 1: since I was ten, so for almost forty years in

505
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Speaker 1: the business.

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Speaker 3: Yea, and.

507
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: No, man, that's dope, man.

508
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Speaker 1: My mother I had to join the Screen Actors Guild

509
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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, so I have been will have

510
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Speaker 1: been in the Screen Actors Guild for thirty eight years too.

511
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Speaker 1: Look at that, and thank God for my mom because

512
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to get a mischief in high school,

513
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: but my mom kept paying the dues. And so it's

514
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Speaker 1: because of my mother that I have a decent pension.

515
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Speaker 2: Look at that, Look at the thank thank you mom.

516
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Speaker 2: Shout out the mama love, shut out the mama love,

517
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Speaker 2: set out the mama love to the though.

518
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Speaker 1: But Polish, Polish? Yes you from Polish? No, yes, there

519
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Speaker 1: is the USA. I'm from the USA, baby your parents? Yeah,

520
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Speaker 1: moy Kreb Yes it posts.

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Speaker 3: What's her favorite poet? And I would think there's a

522
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Speaker 3: lot of It was.

523
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Speaker 2: A nice place to go.

524
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Speaker 1: I heard you guys love.

525
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Speaker 2: Did we go there to crack crack out? Crack out?

526
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Speaker 3: We went to crack out? We went to warsaw name?

527
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: Another one asked, did we go there?

528
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Speaker 3: I don't remember. I remember crack woosh maybe yeah, I

529
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Speaker 3: heard that name.

530
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Speaker 2: If you heard that name before, somebody it's spelled.

531
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Speaker 1: It looks crazy when you spell it because in Polish

532
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Speaker 1: there is the L with a slash through it because

533
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Speaker 1: there's no W. I think it's called it's pronounced so

534
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Speaker 1: it's and then oh the slashes a U. So it's

535
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Speaker 1: it's wooge like d Z makes a j sound.

536
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Speaker 3: What was the dish?

537
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Speaker 2: What was what they eat out there in Poland? Again?

538
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Speaker 3: I forgot what what what kind of special dish they got?

539
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: They got a lot of stuff, you mean like perogis

540
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: or or you think we have what look that's a

541
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Speaker 1: cabbage rolls.

542
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Speaker 3: We have some kind of food. I think I know

543
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Speaker 3: we had that.

544
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Speaker 2: The food specialists to smoke man.

545
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean when.

546
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Speaker 4: When you when you go to Germany, like I went

547
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Speaker 4: to Germany, I went on what was that maybe last

548
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Speaker 4: year on my own tour, and they had curry worst

549
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Speaker 4: the you know what.

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had curry worst, But I mean that's probably

551
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: a more modern one because they wouldn't have had traditions.

552
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have curry in Germany until recent times.

553
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. But it was bugging. It was like,

554
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: got the curry.

555
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: Hit?

556
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Speaker 1: And where did you guys meet up with my brother.

557
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Speaker 2: Arabia? And then also I've been out there that that

558
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: hotel was like a house. Oh yeah, I mean it

559
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: came with a butler. All type of stuff to that

560
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Speaker 2: hotel was I think it was. I think it was

561
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Speaker 2: a rich Carlton he was staying at.

562
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Speaker 1: It was a big car.

563
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Speaker 2: It was too much room.

564
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Speaker 3: I had a big conference room, we had kitchens.

565
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so it was like crazy crazy.

566
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Speaker 3: It was sweet man.

567
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Speaker 1: And my brother is the just so you guys know.

568
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Speaker 2: Your brother, that's my that's my just got off with

569
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Speaker 2: him a little while ago. That's extended part.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you guys also meet up with them

571
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Speaker 1: in Czech Republic?

572
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: We did, Yeah, exactly, yep. And he helped us up

573
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574
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Speaker 3: Well, so these are some things I didn't know about you.

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00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 4: You made TV appearances from two thousand and five to

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve, including major network shows like NYPD, Blue, The Fatomy,

602
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Speaker 4: Criminal Mind, CSI, Prison, Prison Break, Lost, and What Else?

603
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Speaker 3: And Jack Reacher.

604
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Speaker 1: Jack Reacher was a movie with Tom Cruise two thousand.

605
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Speaker 1: We shot that one in twenty ten. It was man

606
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Speaker 1: that was If you haven't seen the movie, it's a

607
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Speaker 1: good movie.

608
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Speaker 3: I see Tom is great.

609
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Speaker 2: And I'm about to say you just said with Tom Cruise,

610
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Speaker 2: I ain't know that.

611
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Speaker 1: My brother Yo Tom Tom. I would work with that

612
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Speaker 1: guy in a second again. He was one of my

613
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Speaker 1: favorite people. I've ever worked with my life. That guy

614
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: loves making movie so much.

615
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Look at that.

616
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: And he's such a nice guy.

617
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: He's such a nice I would love to meet Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is the best. He's the best. I don't

619
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Speaker 1: mean anybody talked about Tom Cruise. I'm like, you never

620
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: met Tom Cruise? And two years later I saw Tom

621
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: Cruise with my wife and I said, Hey, what's up. TC.

622
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: Turns around, He's like, I was like, if this guy

623
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Speaker 1: remembers me too?

624
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, you was like me, was Tom

625
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: Cruise sing Uncle Tony your uncle murder?

626
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: But he was, you ain't hit the best part he

627
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: said about that he's with his wife, So he's with

628
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: his wife for him to go, hey, TC for him?

629
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

630
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: McConaughey is like that though, too. McConaughey is another stellar

631
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Speaker 1: actor and also just a great guys genuine guy.

632
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Speaker 2: Got you.

633
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

634
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise is definitely on the list of people to meet.

635
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: Last time we met DiCaprio, he was amped up, felt

636
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: like we was in Departed.

637
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Speaker 3: Had Low.

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Speaker 4: Shelton Leonardo in Italy. I love to travel, man, That's

639
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Speaker 4: one of the best things man.

640
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have that the world tour man. You

641
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: guys are the Passport Gang.

642
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: Yes, boys, you know that we outside.

643
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: All them shows we named. How do you is it?

644
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: You feel like, like, how do you prep for those

645
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: like different characters?

646
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: Because I come from the theater. So you just prepped

647
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: the same way you do every play. You do, You

648
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: do the research, you read the thing, then you there's

649
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: so funny. I was at a show at the Steppenwol

650
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Theater in Chicago and it was I used to wear this.

651
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: This is people.

652
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch flag for this. It's a stolen valor

653
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: moment for me, which is embarrassing. But I would wear

654
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Speaker 1: my dad's friends navy peacote, real navy peacot because then

655
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Speaker 1: you could get in free with the So I didn't

656
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Speaker 1: have any money to go see these shows that like

657
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: Steppenwall for Goodman and stuff, so you could go see

658
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: the veteran shows. But one of the things this guy said,

659
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Speaker 1: which it's it's acting is so much more complicated than this,

660
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: and yet it is this simple. And he said, hey,

661
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Speaker 1: can you tell me more about acting? Because it feels

662
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Speaker 1: like you just get up, you just say the lines

663
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Speaker 1: and then be that guy, and I was like, some

664
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: of that ship is true if you can just say

665
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: the lines and then just but but the being that guy.

666
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Complicated turned into that character and.

667
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Really commit So some of these young people like that

668
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: you're interviewing like Charlie and like, uh, Gianni, I feel

669
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: not bad for but I feel like, ah, I wish

670
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I wish they could have had acting before social media

671
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: like I got to, because it's like you you risk

672
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: you can be. You could have been way more risky,

673
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: and now you're at the place where it's like, yeah,

674
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: of course everybody thinks I'm Tommy anyway, but it's like

675
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: it's like he uh, you know, you have to be,

676
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: like you have to risk that people are gonna be like,

677
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: that's really this person if if you're if you're a

678
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: rat or if you're you know, like you know, a

679
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: terrible person. But it's like that's what the role called for,

680
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: So you commit to being that guy. And I think

681
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: now it's a much more difficult waters to navigate of

682
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: like this guy being like that, you know, really really

683
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: diving in. But also that that set me up to

684
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: to to be Tommy.

685
00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: That's you.

686
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: Down. I don't think play a rat though he'd be like, no,

687
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: can you do that? He'll turn down.

688
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean during the Tommy role,

689
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't. I didn't, I didn't want to play

690
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play any rats either, because because I understand

691
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: what perception is, I wasn't going to play a crooked

692
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: cop necessarily or this or that, or there were certain rules.

693
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not the right time for that, but

694
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: but there are, And especially like the old gangster guys,

695
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: like from the Soprano stuff, then they're like, no, no,

696
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I'll never play a.

697
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: Rat, can play a rat? And I get it, and

698
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: I get it.

699
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I can get that, like you're never gonna do this

700
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of role, never gonna do that kind of role.

701
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: I get it.

702
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 3: So people on the streets will want to knock you out,

703
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: because I think people.

704
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Don't think they want to knock out, but theygga just

705
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: use that against you in the streets.

706
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: People like they're not calling them Joseph, calling them Tommy Beeve.

707
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: How do you with that?

708
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: How you deal with that? Like probably some people more

709
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: people calling you Tommy than your actual made.

710
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Here's what the boss said, this is what fifty said.

711
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: He said, Look, I'm not saying you gotta be Tommy.

712
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: You don't have to act like Tommy. You're not Tommy.

713
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: But when people call you Tommy, think of it like this.

714
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: They're paying real emotion. Like what they feel about Tommy

715
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: is real, right, So and if you say, if you

716
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: tell him how you're stupid, that's just fake. That's like

717
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: telling somebody that paid real money into a bank, the

718
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: bank is fake, but I paid real money but it's

719
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: a fake bank. Then they're going to be mad. So

720
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: you you legitimize them by saying you'd be like hey

721
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: Tommy and be like, hey, I played this role so

722
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: well that they're so invested that they want me to

723
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: be Tommy.

724
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: And you just say thank you. And it ain't that hard.

725
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: So wasn't the time? Did it annoy was at the time?

726
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: It never annoys me unless I'm like if I'm also

727
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: a human being, if I'm tired and I don't feel

728
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: like being Tommy and somebody's just like you're Tommy, or

729
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, I'm rushing somewhere and somebody's like,

730
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: you have Tommy, come here. I'm just like nood.

731
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: I felt like that with ghosts, like I felt like

732
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 4: that was his mistake because he was a killer in

733
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: a suit, used to ghosts and you and we just

734
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: wrapped up in the street. Street people your ghost Tommy.

735
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: That's all they gonna call you in the street at

736
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: that time. And then he made that conscious record my

737
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: name who Killed Ghosts. He was break dancing and had

738
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: the beads on his neck and was like a conscious rapper.

739
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: I was like, nah, man, because people look at that character.

740
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta you gotta affirm people they say

741
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: we love they're saying I love you basically, you know,

742
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: like tough guys in the street. So Tommy, and it's

743
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: just you're just like some man, you know what I mean.

744
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: I got you. I feel you know.

745
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: It's really like that, because that's what people are really

746
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: want to.

747
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I want to hear a crazy story. First season of

748
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: The Power Force show, I was in Chicago and I

749
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: was just having dinner with Mark Canton and He's like,

750
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: take a cab home.

751
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: I said, nah.

752
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I was looking like Tommy had just

753
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on,

754
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice,

755
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast car pulls

756
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: up on Stage Street and uh, I just hear, y know,

757
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: what's up Tommy and the passengers and the passenger side

758
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: back seat both to two young bloods pulled out pistols yep,

759
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: and I just I was just like, my meanly went

760
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: through my mind. I said, I was thinking, you know,

761
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: a million tops really fast, and I was like, oh

762
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna get shot. I hope the bullet

763
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: goes through me. I hope I can call my wife afterwards.

764
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting there just dead staring at these guys.

765
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't totally see the driver except he had a

766
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: green baseball camp on and uh uh They're like they're like,

767
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, some time. Then two girls came around the corner.

768
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: They screamed ran away, and then the driver goals and

769
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm just standing there, like just staring at these guys.

770
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: And it got the driver just man, I told you

771
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: Tommy was that and where I told you Tommy was that?

772
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said that because you didn't run, yes,

773
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: And I was just.

774
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Standing there like, you know, basically shipping myself and like,

775
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: you know.

776
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: Just cold.

777
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm just like going through like God, I hope this

778
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: bullet goes room if I can call my wife, like,

779
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: where's it gonna hit? Like, I ain't fifty don't hit

780
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: me nine times? Just once is a good enough, you know.

781
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Like so I'm thinking like that they said this and

782
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: then and then as as the bark before they took

783
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: up that one kid in the passengers, I said, we

784
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: fun with you telling me and I called. I was like,

785
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I know there's cameras around, like it.

786
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: Was like the blocks. Yeah, yeah, like that's great.

787
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, shy town, you you got me?

788
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: Not that I like that. I just I like that,

789
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: but I like kind of played out.

790
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too, Like you said, I like you

791
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: said you liked that he didn't run like that.

792
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: I like that you didn't I like and I like

793
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: that they didn't take it extra.

794
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Car was so cool. I was, there's nothing these guys

795
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: are gonna fire. They're gonna fire.

796
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 4: But that's how wrapped up people get character. In the

797
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: character we still call the Wren's take. Oh though, yeah,

798
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 4: because that's a classic. How is a classic show, So

799
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: you're gonna always be you know, it's not it's a classic,

800
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: like you said, it's on all these networks now you

801
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: can see it on what Netflix now think.

802
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: It was on Netflix UK and Netflix Ireland and then

803
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: it's like on a million things. You can get it

804
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: on Amazon, you can get it on who.

805
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: It's all over the place too. Yeah, but it's it's

806
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: it was in Action TV. There you go TV. Fifth

807
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: doing it, man, fist doing it.

808
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's he's He told me a million years

809
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: ago that there's somebody that I won't even name any names,

810
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and well, all know everybody's talking about. I said, why

811
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: is this person's thing? It's never it's never gonna it's

812
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: never achieving success. He said, because this person thinks they

813
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: can do it all themselves. And he goes, I hire

814
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: the best people. So like fifth Fifth Fifth is also

815
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: incredibly empowering in the way that like he always was

816
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: like believed in you as an actor and would always

817
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: be like, you know, like first season and killing this bro,

818
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: you're killing this killing keep keep doing it man, Like

819
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, like this always felt felt good, like somebody

820
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: who I believed in believed in me sobutely.

821
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: You know it was fair because everybody thinks they could

822
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: be an active but you've been doing this your whole life. Yeah,

823
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: talk about your early life of theater and your mom's support,

824
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: and oh.

825
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: My god, my mother drove me to all these auditions.

826
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: It was like we I went and did a play

827
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: in a suburb called lake Forest. And later in life,

828
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: when I hear people saying they grew up in Chicago,

829
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: what they grew up lake Forest, I was like, I

830
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: can just remember. It's gonna take us like forty five

831
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: minutes to get to lake Forest.

832
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: And I grew up.

833
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: I only grew up a couple of miles from the suburbs.

834
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: But it's basically like where I grew up would be somewhere,

835
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, it would be like Queens But then then

836
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: then all of the lake Forest would be somewhere like

837
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: it would be like like Greenport, Long Island or something,

838
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, like way out there. Anyway, it was a lot.

839
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: It was constant. It's forty years of never having a

840
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: real break. Like I keep threatening to like take time

841
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: off where I'm not thinking about the next job. I've

842
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: never not thought about work or the next job or

843
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the next thing for forty years of my life. Constant rejection.

844
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: And I also like, I'm not a great looking guy,

845
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean like I'm fine looking,

846
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like my old manager said this, she said, look,

847
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna call it out.

848
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: You're a seven, but your sex he's a ten. I

849
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: love that, shout out Myrna Jacobi. But she was, She's right.

850
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not I'm not like a super handsome guy,

851
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: but I'm a great actor and because I commit fully

852
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: and I work hard and and thank God off in

853
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: some point because the Power Show people are like, why

854
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: did you take the Power Show? I'm like, because the

855
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: check cleared? Are you crazy?

856
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: Check clear check cliar sheltering stalls and fifty.

857
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they started shout out to fifty.

858
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: Fifty.

859
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: Fifty was a fifty was always a great boss. He's

860
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: been an incredible person, nothing but love. And he's really

861
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: smart and he likes he likes stuff like you know

862
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: when he gets to like he's like a kid. He

863
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: loves art and he loves he loves he loves music.

864
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't I never met anybody loves music more than fifty.

865
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Like all the stuff that you know when you just

866
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: be sitting around the G Unit offices when we were

867
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: on fortieth and just just at the time of like

868
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: three hours the same song and put this little bitty

869
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: thing here here like this list listeners every just you know,

870
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: it's vibing.

871
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: It was fun.

872
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: We love to work over here. Can we talk about

873
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: the new show man?

874
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh a reasonable doubt?

875
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Yes? Reasonable?

876
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you the showrunner of this show,

877
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Ramaala Mohammad Hunter is, She's a unicorn.

878
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: She is outstanding.

879
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: She's a brilliant writer, She's an amazing person. She had

880
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: the faith in me shout out to lend her husband,

881
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: who was just like, uh, we're never looking for this character.

882
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: And he goes, what about Joseph Sikora, And she said,

883
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: and she even said this to me, She's like, who

884
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: He's like Tommy from Power. She's like, oh, yeah, he

885
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: could be great. Crazy And that's funny because in Brooklyn,

886
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: I get a lot of people that start, you know,

887
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: they're like Tommy, Tommy, I like you as that lawyer.

888
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: You're up to something, but I like you as that lawyer.

889
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: So it's always going to be Tommy, which I don't mind.

890
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: It's all good.

891
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: But it's like the time Fifth said this once, He's like, Joe,

892
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: you're always gonna be timing. He goes, he goes, if

893
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: you win an Academy award, somebody's gonna be like, you know,

894
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: the one where Tommy plays the doctor.

895
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: Yes, that's crazy. That's crazy because because you can get

896
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: stuck in character. But he's not stuck in character because

897
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: he's doing so much of stuff. Of course, thirteen years

898
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: of a show. Hell yeah, we don't remember Tommy. Thirteen

899
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 4: year run.

900
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: Tommy dog by the way is over there scaring some people. Yeah,

901
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Pirate production team back then with you.

902
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: How long you've been a dog before? Man story, we're

903
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: gonna get murdered a dog man?

904
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: What kind of dog would you get if you gotta

905
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: do a piple?

906
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: Definitely? Not? No, really, no, man, pirate, I got to

907
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 2: get something little French.

908
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, I heard I heard a bit about the

909
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Pirate the Pirates letter.

910
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Pirate is too big.

911
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: Pirate is too big?

912
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, look a little too big.

913
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: Now he's he's like forty five pounds.

914
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: I do pate relief head around the house.

915
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Look at this, and I wear black.

916
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: See I was telling it. I said, I don't like

917
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: the head. I don't like that you're gonna get a

918
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: I don't like none of that.

919
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys this, How did this

920
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: come about? Just because you do a million podcasts?

921
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know they was laughing at me.

922
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Podcast king Over.

923
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: You know he's on a jet that used to laugh

924
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: at me. Why are you doing black?

925
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

926
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Blad and forward.

927
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: Everybody started copying the y your format went. Everybody now

928
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: murders on flag, a whole bunch of rappers on hold on,

929
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: let me finish, yea, let me, let me let me finish.

930
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: Talk ahead.

931
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: Look everybody I was doing flat, everybody was doing black.

932
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: Even Uncle Murder. Murder would shout after I'm mad, I'm not.

933
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Mad, shout out to neither.

934
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah now uncle Murdy in the list of rappers are

935
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: doing and then you know, listen of rappers are doing

936
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 4: and shop and then they want to do breakfast club.

937
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: But Yayo just kept working for three years. I learned

938
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: to work like fifty.

939
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: So now I'm executive producing a movie called Lake George

940
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: make some Noise from.

941
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah brother, yeah yah, Let's make some noise my brother,

942
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yah.

943
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta make moves man.

944
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

945
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: Then fast forward. You know, we sat down with Fat Joe.

946
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: I think we was in shout Netflix, shoutout to Breakfast

947
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: Club on Netflix too. And we was talking was at Belgium.

948
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 4: Something, Germany, Germany somewhere, and he was like, Yo, he's

949
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 4: gonna talk to the volume people from us. So it's

950
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: crazy for enemy to turn, you know, to get oh

951
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, and then you know me and murder.

952
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: We was like that was the biggest beef definitely.

953
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fat Joe Beef was crazy. They would have caught me.

954
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: They would do me in a trunk or something like

955
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: that or week you know, you know that's what they

956
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: that's what.

957
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: That's what that trunk I got you over the trunk.

958
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: I would have been good man was.

959
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: I was a wild boy back then, Like I was

960
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: number one on hip hop poly slits back then, Full

961
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: of Wayne. I was number one curly Top, you know

962
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: who is? Everybody knew curly Top. We had one policeman

963
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: called Superman. He was told he'll pull you out by

964
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 4: your belt. He knew everybody's name, like hip hop police.

965
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: They still got him. Now that's why you see all

966
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 4: these rappers in jail, because they take all this intelligence

967
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 4: on hip hop preferably.

968
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, disproportionately of like using an art as a

969
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: as a weapon, you know what I mean.

970
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: But rock stars ain't shooting each other. Rappers are. That's

971
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: that's how they look at it, like, you know what

972
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: I mean. So that's how they look at that man.

973
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. But now, are you a civilian? Now?

974
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: No, no way, no, no, no take that civilion. Not

975
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: a fucking civilian. I don't know why you I mean,

976
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: I said you're not a civilian? Listen, pirate? Are you

977
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: a civilian? Pirate is a civilian?

978
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: Pirate? Murder was scared like pirate wasn't a civilian?

979
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you never. I'm not gonna lie.

980
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: He's gotta look. He's got a looky.

981
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: I was a little upset when I walked in here,

982
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: and I'm.

983
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: No love.

984
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna bring my dog in here. My bog

985
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 3: is like probably one hundred and twenty pounds.

986
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: That's a big dog. That yeah, episode he'd be doing

987
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: by hisself. Ladies, I won't be here with no pitopull.

988
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you what would be your five

989
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: your top five directors that you would like to work with?

990
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, and what movie? What?

991
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: What type of movie would you want to direct?

992
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: Well?

993
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: You directed things already, but what will be one of Like,

994
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: what kind of movie would you want to direct with

995
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 4: a big budget in a big film?

996
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean so many films I would like

997
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: to direct. I'll tackle that question first, but I would

998
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: like to tell a Chicago graffiti story. And partially because

999
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: we all know that graffiti started right here in NYC.

1000
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: And listen, ILL love to Philly, but this is the

1001
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: birth of graffiti. I just Chicago just had this. I mean,

1002
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: obviously that's where I grew up and started bombing. Also

1003
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: had some great times bombing here in New York.

1004
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: And shout out to.

1005
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: So many of the South Bronx guys that I got

1006
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: together with and Tat's crew, guys who let me paint

1007
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: in their their their train in the back with Eave

1008
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: RIVERA but a Chicago graffiti story that would take place

1009
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: in the late eighties early nineties my era just again

1010
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: the graffiti Squad, those particular copsret so you watched Beach

1011
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: Street and of course, but it's mainly the Style Wars.

1012
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: The documentary that came out in eighty three featuring case Ley,

1013
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: featuring dez And and Seene and Cap and some of

1014
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: these just amazing characters, was so influential. We would literally

1015
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: watch that on a VHS S tape before we would

1016
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: go do missions every time and just get an inspiration

1017
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: from New York. But because Chicago graffiti is so immersed

1018
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: and based on gang culture that it's it's just a

1019
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 1: little bit different. We had to have a guy shout

1020
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: out fat Fred because I know he'll watch your podcast.

1021
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah from the South Bronx. He changed Chicago graffiti in

1022
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: the way that like New Yorkers were like, no, no, no,

1023
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: we don't have it rules because in Chicago, if you

1024
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: write something backwards, you know it's flipping the gang. It's

1025
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: like you put up just per se if you're you're like,

1026
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: you know that this would say Simon City Royals and

1027
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: underneath backwards you say Latin Kings because it'd be like,

1028
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: you know they want you don't want kings in this hood,

1029
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And so Chicago the graffiti would play

1030
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: by the same rules as that. You know, you would

1031
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: have basically the same guys in a gang that you

1032
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: had in a graffiti, you know, and a lot of

1033
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: gangsters like from different gangs in different sections. This could

1034
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: be a whole other show could be on the same crew,

1035
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: but like they would be a fighting gangs. This is

1036
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: still back when we had nations in Chicago with folks

1037
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: and people and blah blah blah blah blah. But it

1038
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: would be It's so I think the inner workings and

1039
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: the whole warriors aspect of it of something in Chicago

1040
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: like that at that time, and would just be that

1041
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: would be something, and you'd need a budget. Something that

1042
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: I would love and I would love to do. Some

1043
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: of my favorite directors that I would ever want to

1044
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: work with.

1045
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

1046
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 1: One director that I would want to work with again

1047
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: is Chris mcquarie, who directed Jack Reacher. He is he's

1048
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: just mainly because he's fun. Like I don't care. I

1049
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: don't care about Marty Scorsese, who I got to work

1050
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: with on Shutter Island and then Boardwalk Empire, and Marty

1051
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: was great again because he was nice though too. And

1052
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: I was in the pilot episode. I was Hans Schroeder.

1053
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: That's where I'm that's yeah, that's oh yeah, yeah.

1054
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

1055
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: It was the first one you guys can everybody can.

1056
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: Google that the man Joseph and that's right. It was

1057
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: very and that was that was a fun.

1058
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: That was a fun show. But again, he's a nice guy.

1059
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't want to work with anybody

1060
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, this guy's, this guy's an amazing director.

1061
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, if he's I'm fifty years old, I don't care.

1062
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: Like if he's I want him to be nice. I

1063
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: want her to be amazing, you know, I want them

1064
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: to be a good person. That's what I care about.

1065
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: And you because you can be all of those things.

1066
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: And that's definitely a Tom Cruise thing, Like he's amazing

1067
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: at his craft, but he's a good guy. It's like Fifth,

1068
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: I've put Fifth in that category. You know, he's he's

1069
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: somebody who's accomplished more than most, but he's still like

1070
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: he's still a good guy. Like when people people have

1071
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Fifth and they're like, oh, king of Petty and king

1072
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah he's got time. But also people don't

1073
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: see him being kind with little kids, people with disabilities.

1074
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: He stops the line, stops it. I've been there at

1075
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: bottle signings where he's like like, what's that person? Wait

1076
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: and go get that bring this person up here and

1077
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: gives gives so much up. What he fifty has done

1078
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: with g unity is not talked about at all, Like,

1079
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand why more is not made with his

1080
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: what he's given back to the not only his community

1081
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: in the in an urban environment way, but also just

1082
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: across board, Like look at what he did to Ukraine

1083
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: before the Ukraine War. He was doing money to all

1084
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: of these empowered places in Ukraine and having and getting

1085
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: the love back from these students who he changed their lives.

1086
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: So it's people like that that I want to work with,

1087
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: because there's enough incredibly talented people, but I want to

1088
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: work with the people who are who are cool and

1089
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and I never met Chris Chris Columbus, but I'd like

1090
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: to work with him too.

1091
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: Like a lot of his movies is well, we got

1092
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: a segment when we do this or that?

1093
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: Right?

1094
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Oh, is it a black a Black Sheep album?

1095
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: No, I mean, you know hip you know your hip hop,

1096
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: but it's like this or that. So I know you

1097
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: was going to Chicago's. Look, I know you were that.

1098
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: It's the first time we're doing this. I don't I

1099
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: don't even know about it.

1100
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: I just I just made it up right now, Okay,

1101
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: we did it. We did it a while ago.

1102
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: We did what it's about to be about.

1103
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: That because he's from Chicago, but he's from New York. Now,

1104
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: now whose peege is better, Chicago or New York?

1105
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, well hands down New York. I mean

1106
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: it's not even a confis oh ship, new York's a baby, okay,

1107
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: no doubt. But in Chicago, what people don't understand is

1108
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: that deep dish is more of a touristy thing. And

1109
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: it's not like you don't order a pizza pie and

1110
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: you're just like, let me get a deep dish. It's like,

1111
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: especially if you grew up in the city of Chicago,

1112
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: you get a thin crust and what they we call

1113
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: them in Chicago, we call them a tavern because you know,

1114
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: we cut them in squares. And what that came from.

1115
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: The origin of that was that Chicago pizza pies I believe,

1116
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: were cut in triangles in Chicago until after the war,

1117
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: the Great War, World War two, the Second World War anyway,

1118
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: the Great War, I guess was World War One. But anyway,

1119
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: when the guys came back, you had to serve food

1120
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: with with your drink with alcohol. So they would have

1121
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: these little ship these little ovens in taverns and bars,

1122
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: and you'd slide in a pizza. You'd make a pizza,

1123
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: you'd slide it in there and then you'd cut up

1124
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: in square so a lot of people could have it.

1125
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: It's also called family style. So you order a pizza

1126
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: on Friday night if that's your pizza night with the family, boom,

1127
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: and then everybody can get the little corners. I always

1128
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: like the little tiniest corner. But that's a good pie,

1129
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: like I loved. My wife is from Jersey, and and

1130
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: you know she's just from You could see Manhattan from

1131
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: her backyard, so so she you know, she's right there

1132
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: on the border of Linden and Elizabeth. Anyway, it's like

1133
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: I brought her to my favorite pizza joint, thin Crust.

1134
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I said, what do you think of that? And she's like,

1135
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: I was such a such a.

1136
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: New York baby.

1137
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: My two favorite spots in Queens, I'm gonna say, well three,

1138
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: I'll say Margarita's, Yeahby's and now.

1139
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: Cuts and slices. Those are my three spots. What about you,

1140
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: Murger Ain't got no favorite pizza spots?

1141
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I like Margaritas.

1142
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: Well you're not from Queens.

1143
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm from Yeah, but listen, I see I shot people

1144
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: in Queens two before when I was on When I

1145
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: was on the I hung out in Queens when I

1146
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: used to go to Margarita's. Okay, Margarita was good. It

1147
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: was also a spy in East New York on what

1148
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: was that on? I think it was Liberty and Beautica.

1149
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: Now get this was in East New York on Liberty

1150
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: and Lincoln. It was a spot over there that had

1151
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: an adult piece of spot we used to fuck with.

1152
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: I don't know the name. It wasn't really a pieza

1153
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: guy like that when yeah, yeah, I love pizza too.

1154
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: Could I grew up?

1155
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 4: Margarita has been on Jamaica Avenue for like thirty forty years.

1156
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: Maybe going to get in that.

1157
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Table eighty seven. It's over by me

1158
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. It's a It's a great spot. Not always

1159
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: the best help you guys could be a little bit.

1160
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: Already. It's like turning the top.

1161
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry you have to work here.

1162
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: It's like I'm sorry you have to make pizza. Get

1163
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: a different job. It's a good tie.

1164
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: But Jesus Christ, Now do you like because your trains

1165
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 4: are similar to hours, do you like riding the train

1166
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 4: in Chicago or versus New York.

1167
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: Our Chicago trains getting back have gotten so disgusting and

1168
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: so rowdy. This is on like this is on my line,

1169
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: which was we used to call the o' hair Congress,

1170
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: uh back in the day, but now it's called the

1171
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: Blue Line. And there was you know, this this couple

1172
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, and I was like, this

1173
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: is not the trains that I I mean, there was

1174
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: rowdy ship, but does mean this lady just has a

1175
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: crack pipe in the like. I don't see as many

1176
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: like just like outward crack pipe stuff on in New York. Uh,

1177
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: Mainly I'm in Brooklyn and Manhattan, and I'm not even

1178
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: like far Brooklyn or anything like that, or like I'm

1179
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: not way up in Manhattan, so I'm, you know, kind

1180
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: of the centralized district where I'm The rowdy shit happens

1181
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the line, as we all know.

1182
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: But uh, I just feel the Chicago trains have just

1183
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: gotten so rowdy.

1184
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: Man.

1185
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, but when I ride the train, cause I

1186
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: read the train almost every day in New York, you

1187
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: like it. And I think I like the train system

1188
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: here a little bit better. I I only did the

1189
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: yards here one time, and the yards and yards in Chicago.

1190
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: Yards here seemed a little bit easier. In Chicago just

1191
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: seemed like Fort Knox and and uh yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

1192
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: And this train system is just more you can get

1193
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: everywhere here. It's like I took the trains as a

1194
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: kid in Chicago because I enjoyed it. But here it's

1195
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: like it's just a smart way to travel. And Case

1196
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: I always used to tell me because I would send

1197
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: him pictures, I go and I do some insides after

1198
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I had because he gave me so hyped.

1199
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: T'd like, bro, that's a felony. Don't go to jail

1200
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: putting me up.

1201
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: Man, I got so excited. I did too. And I

1202
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: also did some tags. I did some my my name

1203
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: and that I did. I put up MC search because

1204
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: I was done his podcast or something. He's just like

1205
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: it's the same thing, base yo Base.

1206
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

1207
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite groups.

1208
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they had some good they had some some bangers. Man,

1209
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: he's a he's a gas face?

1210
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 2: Was it the gas?

1211
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 3: That beat was so hard? I remember when they came

1212
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: out with it. Yeah, that was my joint.

1213
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: You got the gas even know we are looking for

1214
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn, We are looking for the Brooklyn Queens.

1215
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: What's some more of your favorite rappers from way back

1216
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: because you know.

1217
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Oh, well he's speaking of East New York. J Rue

1218
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: the Damager.

1219
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 3: I mean just like we ran him while ago overseas

1220
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: he still yeah, man, but what what that beat?

1221
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: He had a ton of crazy beats like that that

1222
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: were like eeriees. His beats was different and it was

1223
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: always like this, you know what I mean, Like it

1224
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: was like I'm taking a tickey on this adventure and

1225
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a little scared, but like I'm down.

1226
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: Like who else did I love? Just MC style stuff?

1227
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean that was just like I kind of like,

1228
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: you know that that late eighties early nineties was so

1229
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: much the Golden era, Like he had such different flows

1230
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: like somebody like Eric Sermon's Ryman's so different than somebody

1231
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: like like.

1232
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: Cute one of my favorite.

1233
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean, just come on, Eric and Parish making dollars.

1234
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: You're just like, yes, I want to do that.

1235
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Slick Rick, Doug Click Rick, Big Daddy kinge every.

1236
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: Krs Won all the beauty guys I hate and I

1237
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: loved the nicest albums I'm talking. My name is Yeah.

1238
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: I remember he was a rap up.

1239
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his second His follow up album was was

1240
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: Dope to to the Rescue, To the Rescue, Nice to

1241
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: the Rescue.

1242
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, I remember. I remember the.

1243
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: Set up with the freestyle to all you little fighting

1244
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: them sees that on the on the sound track My

1245
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: Name is d Night. That was the that was on

1246
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: the first that was his, that was on the first album.

1247
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: That was It wasn't I'm Gonna Get You suck on

1248
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: something like that.

1249
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miss Melody was rapping, Miss Miss Melody.

1250
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, kid Cari mister, Yeah, she was dope.

1251
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: She was she was.

1252
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: You remember miss Mellody.

1253
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: I thought.

1254
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: We saw k R S at the Last Essence Uh

1255
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: Essence Fest. It was great to I mean, it's just

1256
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: it was amazing. But also we had met k R

1257
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: S a million years ago and we did I didn't

1258
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: do it, but my crew did it. Like we linked

1259
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: up cruise j fr F my crew in Chicago and

1260
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: b d P and these guys civil shout out to

1261
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: Silvil Matt, I love you. Uh did a did a

1262
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: top to bottom BDP car And he was dope though too,

1263
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: just like talking to us way back in the day

1264
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: and then to see him again, he was like he

1265
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: was Yeah he was. He was real, you know, lyrical champions.

1266
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: These guys were fresh. And then just to learn that

1267
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: kars One, you're like one year was he a writer?

1268
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: And you're like, then you listen to the rhymes and yeah,

1269
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: he talks about getting up. Also, third Base mentions that

1270
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: we loved that because it was like, let a song

1271
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: called product the environment is like a marker in my

1272
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: jacket to tag where I went because I was just

1273
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: the product of the environment.

1274
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, hip hop had more elements back then. You had

1275
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 4: break dance and graffiti. I played a major part back dude.

1276
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always felt like I was part of hip

1277
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: hop culture. And of course I liked rap music, but

1278
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: I was just through graffiti, I was like. And also

1279
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: it was so inclusive back then, you know what I mean.

1280
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you're like this, so that's this. It

1281
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, white black brown. I mean,

1282
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: you had to work a little harder as a white guy,

1283
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, to get yeah, you

1284
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: have to show it. I mean, but it wasn't like, yo,

1285
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I have to be the baddest or the toughest or

1286
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: this or that. You got to show up. You got

1287
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: to keep showing up, you know what the fuck you're doing.

1288
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: But it was also just in terms of like just

1289
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: the different elements of hip hop kind of kind of

1290
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: just like if that was your life, because you guys know,

1291
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: like if you're a graffiti writer, like all of your

1292
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: friends are graffiti writer, that's all you do and that's

1293
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: all you talk about. So like that was that's your life,

1294
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: and then you're just like, I am hip hop, you

1295
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or at least you have that

1296
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: as part of your identity. But now it seems harder

1297
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: and more judgmental.

1298
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I think you're doing it for something.

1299
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: He just trying to do this, yeah, or like you know,

1300
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: being oh you're you're you're appropriating culture or like this,

1301
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: and it's just like I like it like this, I

1302
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: want to rocket like this. It's like and like even

1303
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: New York, like just back in those those times, like

1304
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: you guys made your own style. I was like style

1305
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: style style. Now it's kind of it's so much more uniform,

1306
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: Like people don't take risks with fashion as much just

1307
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: to rock out on the streets or to doff.

1308
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: The trend is now, yeah, trending. Is they going with

1309
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: the trend.

1310
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was different back then. It was a

1311
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: lot of positive things in music back then. Yeah, you're

1312
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: a brand new man. They was talking about, you know,

1313
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: the dragman and crack man that coming and what dump

1314
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: I don't smoke, jump sell what you're knocking for?

1315
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: Like it?

1316
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 4: I mean, col righteous teacher, pul righteous teachers always talk

1317
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 4: about self destruction. When you see the whole industry get

1318
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 4: together and was you know, talking about how.

1319
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: He was destruction. That was big for me.

1320
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 4: Like to see all the rappers as a kid watching that, Yeah,

1321
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: that was like crazy for me. And then the change

1322
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 4: and then the eight bull jackets and you know it

1323
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 4: coincided with niggas hustling back in the days. You had

1324
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 4: to haunt the scooters and the elites and it was

1325
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: like damn you look at rappers and drug dealers like

1326
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: as the same at a point because those were our

1327
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: heroes and the you know, but the eighties to me

1328
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: that time, but hip hop was crazy. Slick Rick had

1329
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 4: his own flow, Oh my god.

1330
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he came from when we learned that he

1331
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: came from England, you know what I mean, And it's like,

1332
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: you know that whole thing. He almost had that just.

1333
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: His whole story used to have me just like, oh

1334
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: my god, slick Rick was the jewelry.

1335
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 4: He's the he set the trend for that crazy ridiculous

1336
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 4: Jeury big big chain. All of them they had pieces

1337
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 4: like never TV piece. You know, Eric B had his joint,

1338
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 4: Rock Kim, they had their joints, but slick Rick was

1339
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 4: always changed, twenty change, I know, fresh.

1340
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: And slick Rick talk. I just loved that he was

1341
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: just talking such ship at the Power Force premiere too,

1342
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: that Nobody's flossing out here and I.

1343
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, that's that song when you see me wonking.

1344
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 4: It never gets sold that beat. It's just like, I

1345
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 4: don't know, it was just the nostalgic times.

1346
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love that it was. It was a

1347
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: golden It was a golden era and all of that stuff,

1348
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: just like Zulu Nation, and you just kind of had

1349
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: like this kind of interesting inclusivity, but also just like

1350
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, like even like even stuff that was

1351
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: like like Black Empowerment didn't feel like I can't listen.

1352
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: Like it's like, I know X Clan wasn't necessarily made

1353
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: for me, but I could funk with X Clan.

1354
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 3: They was that extra to the East, my brother to the.

1355
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 4: You remember the DJ too, because like I even say,

1356
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 4: public Enemy, I always remember.

1357
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like I don't know, just also

1358
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: I always with something like with run DMC, you're just

1359
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: like damn Like Jay never even cared about getting credit

1360
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: like that. He was just like I'm here, like I'm definitely. Yeah,

1361
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: the DJ was such a part of it to speaking of,

1362
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: which is my man chubby chubbs? Is he still keeping

1363
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: the weight off our way? I know we keep checking

1364
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: with each other.

1365
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: He's been working.

1366
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been checking in with each other.

1367
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 4: Well, and you know when you got the military, uh

1368
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 4: workout in the morning with fifty cent you know how

1369
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 4: that is. So that's how we as overseas. We you know,

1370
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: we see him leave off the road and go and

1371
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: go do fucking film shit. So like that's what people

1372
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: got to understand, like Save Me and Murder want to

1373
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: be in a movie, right because people always say, you know,

1374
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 4: how do I get in powered?

1375
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: When did they shoot?

1376
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 4: And like how do I what it was like somebody

1377
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 4: have to do to like just to get in power

1378
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 4: or like go to shoot you know screen for a part?

1379
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: What do we have to do?

1380
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 3: Do you where do you go to look. I know

1381
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 3: you got an agent obviously.

1382
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: But that's the whole thing. People ask me all the time,

1383
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: like how could I be in the background or something.

1384
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1385
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't talk to the background people, or like, uh.

1386
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: The main thing is that, in terms of working in

1387
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: the industry is like work begets work, begets work. I

1388
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: started because I started in the theater, and then you

1389
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 1: do this job and then it's like you these little

1390
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: roles come through to Chicago back in the day, and

1391
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: then you kind of hate had to move to either

1392
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: New York or Los Angeles. And I shouldn't. I should

1393
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: have just stayed in New York because Los Angeles ate

1394
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: me up and spit me out and I and I

1395
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: had this. I kept coming back to New York for work,

1396
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: Like I was on a show called Third Watch here,

1397
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: I was on Broadway here, I was in other plays here,

1398
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: and then uh, Boardwalk Finally Boardwalk was the job. Was like,

1399
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to La.

1400
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: La hates me. It was too hard.

1401
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: It was too hard, and I hated. I mean, I

1402
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: was poor in New York. I mean I I I

1403
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: lived off nothing when I lived on Mulberry Street for

1404
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: years I was, I would eat the Dollar vegetables on.

1405
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: Canal.

1406
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: Dollar vegetables were these plastic bags in Chinatown, and they

1407
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: would have basically day old vegetables. Sometimes you open up

1408
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: that bag, it smells like farts. You're just like, I'm

1409
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: still eating that foods hey, and you make you get

1410
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: you'd get U the day I'd get the Dale vegetables

1411
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: and I would get ninety nine cent dumplings. You get

1412
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: six dumplings. I would have the regular dumplings, six of

1413
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: them for lunch with some sort of the vegetable. And

1414
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: then I would chop up the rush of vegetables and

1415
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: make a soup and then chop up the dumplings and

1416
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: have that a soup. And every other day of every

1417
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: third day i'd have There was a place where you

1418
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: could get a forty ounce of Budwiser for two forty

1419
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: nine right across the street from the tombs on Baxter,

1420
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: and so I would get like that would be that

1421
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: would be my drink. I'd have that and that I

1422
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: mean I was skinny mini just doing push ups and living.

1423
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: On that and have no money. But like I loved it.

1424
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: I loved it was like I said, But what made

1425
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm not sure what the I'm not sure,

1426
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I

1427
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: would cry to myself to sleep some nights, thinking like Lord, please,

1428
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: what else can I do with my life? This is outrageous,

1429
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: This is too hard. I it's it's this is you know,

1430
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: the mentally, you know what I mean. I mean, wait,

1431
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: more people have it way worse than I had it,

1432
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: of course, but you know, every man's journey is personal.

1433
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: And so it's like when you have no money and

1434
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: you're an adult, you can't take a girl out on a.

1435
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: Past and you're trying to achieve your dream as well

1436
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: and things as not.

1437
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I always was able to thank God,

1438
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: my dad taught me how to put up uh what

1439
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: we would call drywall, everybody here called sheet rock, so

1440
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: you can put up some I have to say, sheep

1441
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: rock sheet rock. And I always and I was always

1442
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: able to make money on you know, buying, just buy

1443
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: as much marijuana as I could afford, and you just

1444
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: be the guy who's.

1445
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: Awake, shut out to the high. You know, the unit disco,

1446
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: the high brand. We got a dispensary two forty six

1447
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 2: dash old one so whenever somebody mentioned weed on the show,

1448
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: we got the shot out.

1449
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: You gotta do it, it must be done, and.

1450
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: Another thing.

1451
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: You were smoking when you just figured it out.

1452
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: Like I always since I was a teenager, I was

1453
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: always able to be like reefer will always make you money.

1454
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: You just have to be available, you know what I mean.

1455
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: You know it's like it's like you get it.

1456
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: And it's because what they used to call me back

1457
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: in the days to people that don't know, Yeah, exactly

1458
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: garden you liked.

1459
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to really ask you because

1460
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 4: you know, I quote a couple of Broadway shows, like

1461
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 4: I think it was Martin Luther King with Samuel Jackson ANDREWL.

1462
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: Bassett, like years age, it was like real.

1463
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 4: Good, I've seen that, and I think I just recently,

1464
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: like maybe a couple of maybe last year, I've seen

1465
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 4: the Michael Jackson Broadway show.

1466
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: How was it working on Broadway? Because Broadway like we

1467
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 3: New York City.

1468
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, I mean, it's it's, it's it's

1469
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've been It's been a

1470
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: while since I've been on Broadway. It's been a while

1471
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: since I've been on stage really to be honest, but

1472
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: that when that is your life, you don't. It's daunting

1473
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: looking back doing eight shows like I was gonna. I

1474
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: was up for a role in a Broadway show that

1475
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: was like listen to big role and it was like

1476
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: the play. I was like the people who were the

1477
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: leads in the play. I'm like hmmm. And then my

1478
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: agent was like, oh, it could be, it could be good.

1479
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: Look I said no, No, you go and do eight

1480
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,479
Speaker 1: shows a week for a show that you don't like love.

1481
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. It's a lot of time,

1482
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like you gotta want to be

1483
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: there so much. It's a lot. It's a lot.

1484
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: And I love theater.

1485
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: It's it's the best feeling of world. But I got

1486
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: I got stage fright on Broadway. When I did Broadway,

1487
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: I had the director during intermission yell at me all

1488
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: crazy that fucking show is. This is ruined because of

1489
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: you and the choices that you're making.

1490
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: And I was just like, what the fuck chairs Broadway, motherfucker.

1491
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: And I know the choices well because I had. I

1492
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: decided just on a whim, because that's I listen, That's

1493
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: how I played Tommy. I just do if some shit

1494
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: is in my mind, I'm going to try it, and

1495
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: they had My guy was a military guy, so he's

1496
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: walking down all military and his blues and blah blah blah.

1497
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: And the first I was just like, this guy's about

1498
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: to go to trial though, and it was very stylist.

1499
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if I was just like all hunched

1500
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: over and I walked in and kind of slouched in

1501
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: in there, and I think it just blew his mind

1502
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: that I would try something different. But we were running,

1503
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: like the show is running. It's not the director has

1504
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: to let that show go. The director is the director

1505
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: until you open and then they come back and they

1506
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: give you notes, you know, during the run.

1507
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: But it's specially the more if he still had to

1508
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: let you come out, then.

1509
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I lost my shit, he yelled at me.

1510
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: I had never because this was in two thousand and six,

1511
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: so if you think about it, that was It took

1512
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: me nearly ten years. Season three of The Power Show

1513
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: was the first time after that event that I felt

1514
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: like I didn't have stage fright like crazy. I used

1515
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: to take beta blockers to audition because I would get

1516
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: so scared. Even when I was auditioning for the Timmy

1517
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: roll I was. I took a beta blocker so my

1518
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: heart rate couldn't get like super heavy. Yeah, you're like,

1519
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: oh my, if I take this drug, is it gonna

1520
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: Am I gonna still be able to emote or I'm

1521
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna be real It's like, yeah, dummy, it's just you

1522
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: just You're not gonna be like so scared.

1523
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know.

1524
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: So it was very helpful. But yeah, it took me.

1525
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: Took me over ten years to get over the stage right,

1526
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: and I'm not totally over, and I still get scared,

1527
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 1: but now I just ultra prepare if I need it,

1528
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: Like I know the lines backwards three times over usually

1529
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: to get the freedom right.

1530
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: If you had three things you could say to inspire

1531
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 3: an actor right now, what would you tell.

1532
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: Me, don't fucking do it, I would say. I would say,

1533
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: if there's anything else you want to do with your life,

1534
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: do that instead. If you have to be an actor,

1535
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: be prepared to dig in. Nah, don't take no for

1536
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: an answer, say yes every single time until you can

1537
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: say no. You're not better than any of these roles.

1538
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: You are valuable. Don't forget your value, and uh, for

1539
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: the love of God, take some classes I can't even

1540
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: tell you the amount of actors I've worked with that.

1541
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you're not a great actor, Like take

1542
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: take a class, you know, like I during the whole

1543
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: Power Show, I enjoyed taking classes. In the off season.

1544
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 1: We even had a Brooklyn Actors collective with other working

1545
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: professionals in the industry where we would just study scenes

1546
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: or like, you know, do something so you could do

1547
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: a different role than you're used to playing and stuff

1548
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: like that. It's like a craft like anything. You're not

1549
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: just gonna get get up on the mic if you're

1550
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: not prepared. You know, you haven't been doing the work

1551
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: you got to. You gotta train. You know, you're not

1552
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: going to jump in the ring unless you put in

1553
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: the hours. You put in that road work. You know

1554
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Same thing with acting, keep it going,

1555
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: keep it sharp. Don't say no with auditions When people

1556
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: are like, oh, this should be an offer for you, Joseph,

1557
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what else am I doing Thursday? I'm like,

1558
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: I've fucking memorized the lines and then be that guy

1559
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: and let me let me try because I just remember,

1560
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: especially too, you know, when you're producing. Uh yeah, Jesus

1561
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: is finally tired.

1562
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 2: Finally asleep, ladies. Yeah, I know, now I could be

1563
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: myself what exactly?

1564
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. So the main thing is is you put

1565
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: in the work, put in the hours and and and

1566
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: you don't say no. It's a tough, tough industry, man.

1567
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be like road Timmy and get

1568
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: your first audition that you ever do and shout out

1569
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: to Timmy, fantastic, fantastic actor, great musician. But it happens

1570
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: just like Alvin and I my brother, we started our

1571
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: our production company, Black Fox Productions.

1572
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: Shout out the Black Fox Production Black Fox Productions.

1573
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: We just sold the show to History Channel. But we've

1574
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: been we've been going on for five and a half years.

1575
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 2: Remember when you first started the way back, ye back,

1576
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: You're right. I do remember when you and we and it.

1577
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: Was just like the putting money in and and I

1578
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: think it was hard for my brother, harder than me

1579
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: because it's constant rejection and people nitpicking and judging the us.

1580
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: Most of the business at the time.

1581
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: But I'm also just like this what I was doing,

1582
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: I was just like this is also rejection is part

1583
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: of this. It's a huge part of the main part

1584
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: is rejection. So you have to have tough skin. And

1585
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,839
Speaker 1: I think like you guys, you know, as as artists,

1586
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: rejection is and then people.

1587
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: Judging podcast and people always have something to say with

1588
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 2: the positive and negative.

1589
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, all these guys and the negativity. Like, as

1590
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: you guys know, I'm not on social media except I'm

1591
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: on TikTok and I don't know how to use it,

1592
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: so that's the only reason I'm on it. And I

1593
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: have so I have other people that run all my

1594
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: other social media.

1595
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: No album runs it all right, gotcha active mode?

1596
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: Man? No, I love I love the Graham. I just

1597
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: got addicted and I felt and I got used to be.

1598
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 2: Chopping it up a lot of I know, yeah, definitely definitely.

1599
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 1: And then I locked myself out of.

1600
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: Twitter x.

1601
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: I locked myself and you can't get back anymore, like

1602
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 1: there's not humans.

1603
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 2: To talk to.

1604
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this is really me and this

1605
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: and that and I It's like I've been locked out

1606
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: for like a year and this is really mean.

1607
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 3: You get it together, you know, almost get it together.

1608
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: Man, I mustn't going to let me back on. But uh,

1609
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: but on Facebook, they do a good job on the Facebook.

1610
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm not on any of that stuff.

1611
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: So but it's different because I feel like young people

1612
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: feel like I have to be and you kind of do.

1613
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I have the following I put out.

1614
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: I put out stuff on on ig that would not

1615
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: be anywhere else. So if you want the real like

1616
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff, like you got to go on

1617
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: ig to get it from me, I'll give it to

1618
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: the sources to put up there because I know how

1619
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: to play the game. But also it's like I read comments.

1620
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know how to not read comments,

1621
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: and then I get sad, and it's like when people

1622
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: talk such shit and I just like, I'm from the nineties.

1623
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: I want to meet up with this guy and people

1624
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: people like to people like to talk, people like to

1625
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: say a lot of you know, like you know, like

1626
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I don't know how to like

1627
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: Fifth figured it out. He knows how to get people,

1628
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, like and get under people skin. I get,

1629
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: I get my feelings hurt, and then I get like

1630
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: if I get mad, I get mad, and then it's

1631
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: just like, oh it's Joseph Tommy. I was like fucking

1632
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: around to find out right now.

1633
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 3: I'm looking for your west Man.

1634
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1635
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: It's like all and got my man off fuck the

1636
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: social media for them.

1637
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: But he really doesn't care because he's in all these

1638
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: movies and.

1639
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: I don't and I got, you know, and I gotta

1640
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: and I got a good marriage, and I got.

1641
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 2: Real life is better than social media.

1642
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: Amen, So tell them.

1643
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 3: Tell them about the show. What you got coming in

1644
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 3: the future.

1645
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: Reasonable I got Reasonable Doubt. It's gonna it's gonna come

1646
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: out season two. Rama La Mohammad, She's amazing, the best show. Guys,

1647
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: watch Reasonable Doubt. It's a great show, and get to

1648
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: get one of these changes.

1649
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: Can I get a change for the show?

1650
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: Tell them again where we can get these changes.

1651
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: You can get the change. Just go to Instagram Joseph

1652
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: four the number four at the end on gram and

1653
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: then if the link is in my bio and they're

1654
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: super I made sure that they're they're uh, super high quality,

1655
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: and they're affordable. Like everybody's like, oh, you should charge way,

1656
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I want people that like have a

1657
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: good product. That's cool.

1658
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: He might really be on the Grand for a couple

1659
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: of weeks. If y'all go get the table the Grand

1660
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: for a couple of times. We brought it back to

1661
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 2: the Grand for y'all get the Jay support.

1662
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 3: My god, I got a good idea.

1663
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 4: Since we have our giveaways, we do make sure y'all

1664
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 4: like she is subscribed. We're gonna give somebody change.

1665
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I like how that sounds like. Order that report

1666
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 2: right here.

1667
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 3: Change straight from Tommy Eagan.

1668
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: That's right, and I will man Tommy.

1669
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 4: Baby reasonably vibes yes baby on the real report. Well,

1670
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 4: make some noise, y'all. Don't wake up the door, don't wake.

1671
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: Up sleeping alight.

1672
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: Pirate, good boy, good boy. Pirate four