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Speaker 1: Hi there, Welcome, Welcome back to One Bill's Drive. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Orchard Park, New York. Newer Afield is right next door.

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Speaker 1: It looks like you're working on the field on something

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Speaker 1: to bring you one Bills live from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Murphy, co host with Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: Did a Steve Tasker off today. He'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Don't start, don't start, Steve is off. He is a

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Speaker 1: well earned day off and he'll be back with us

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Speaker 1: tomorrow in Rochester. Were happy to have Bills inside or

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown from Buffalo bills dot Com helping do co

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Speaker 1: host the show. You like coos in the show, you

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Speaker 1: the show. I just love giving Steve krap Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: we all do. Yeah we miss him when when we're

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Speaker 1: he's not here to take our abuse. But I'll be

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Speaker 1: down in Rochester with Stevie and tomorrow day offered the

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Speaker 1: bills from training camp today. I know yesterday and when

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Speaker 1: I left camp and it was at a family gathering.

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Speaker 1: People say, what do you mean they got a day

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Speaker 1: off already. Well, it's all pretty much mandated right by

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Speaker 1: the c I think you can't do more than five

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Speaker 1: seven consecutive days of work. I think, so, I think

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Speaker 1: they're still allowed to meet today. But yeah, nothing on

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Speaker 1: the field today per CBA regulation meetings, coaches meetings, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, that's what I meant, coaches meetings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it strikes me to Chris how this four

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Speaker 1: so four days day off and they'll come back and

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Speaker 1: the practice at New air Field on Friday. It almost

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Speaker 1: I thought that's probably a good thing, right to get

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Speaker 1: into that rotation. Can Well, I think if anybody is

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Speaker 1: us are surprised to see that approach being taken to

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Speaker 1: nature in which they do it. In a game week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of what they're doing here today. So,

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Speaker 1: as we said, practice on Tomorrow eight forty five closed

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Speaker 1: to the public, open to the media. Chris will be there.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there. We got the show there tomorrow. On Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: they're back open for an open practice Wednesday eight forty

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Speaker 1: five am. On Thursday, same deal, eight forty five am.

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Speaker 1: And then on Friday, the return to a newer afield,

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Speaker 1: the return of they blew in the Red to newer

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Speaker 1: Afield of six fifteen pm practice. Tickets required for Friday.

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Speaker 1: The ticket information is available at our website, Buffalo bills

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Speaker 1: dot com. They did this last year. Clearly coach McDermott

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Speaker 1: did last year. Yeah, and maybe that's what we saw

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Speaker 1: the top of the show, grooming the field and getting

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Speaker 1: it ready for Friday's practice. So yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're looking at here. Schedule wise. I

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Speaker 1: training camp has looked like through four days. Yes, a

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Speaker 1: lot of attention focused on the quarterbacks. You get asked

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Speaker 1: Strong arm, talented arm, best arm in camp by a mile.

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Speaker 1: thing that an offensive coordinator needs from his quarterback is consistency.

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Speaker 1: largely what he worked on with Jordan Palmer throughout the

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Speaker 1: know who your starter is going to be talking about Billson.

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Speaker 1: my jet sweep. So I don't get that wrong again.

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Speaker 1: I mean the kid's got the right mindset for being

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Speaker 1: as perfect as he can possibly be. He knows what

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Speaker 1: the reality is. I'm an undrafted rookie. The odds are

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Speaker 1: stacked against me, even in Buffalo, where really beyond Calvin

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Speaker 1: Benjamin and Jeremy Curley, it's a mixed bag of unproven talent.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's got a very good chance to

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Speaker 1: make this roster. I think Brandon Riley's another guy that's

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Speaker 1: got a very good chance to make this roster. A

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Speaker 1: kid who looks faster off the line this year has

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Speaker 1: done a lot of legwork to improve his speed off

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Speaker 1: the line and separation ability. Well, I asked him about

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Speaker 1: that and he said, I did add lean muscle, but

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Speaker 1: about two o two and he was about two hundred

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Speaker 1: last years, so it is redistributed better. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any question about that. But those guys that are

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Speaker 1: super lean, it's really hard for them to keep the

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Speaker 1: weight on, especially during the training camp setting where they're

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Speaker 1: burning so many calories a day, even in one of days, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and weight training and whatever else they're doing

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Speaker 1: it seems like he's got to pound a ton of calories,

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Speaker 1: which I'll be quite honest with you, I'm envious of Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, just just to try to get just to

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Speaker 1: try to keep weight on Um. But he is getting separation.

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Speaker 1: And and the thing that encourages me about Buffalo's passing

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Speaker 1: game is it, at least on the surface, it appears

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Speaker 1: that all three of these quarterbacks can hit the crossing routes.

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Speaker 1: And that was a sorely lacking element of Tyrod Taylor's game.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's one of the reasons why Charles

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Speaker 1: Clay product Charles Clay's production wasn't even higher than it

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Speaker 1: has been over the last couple of years, because, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: Tyrod could not hit him. Ask that crossing routes, passes

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Speaker 1: over the middle, there seemed to be more of that,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. And I like that because ask

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Speaker 1: any defensive back in the league and they will tell

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Speaker 1: you it is much more difficult to cover a receiver

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Speaker 1: horizontally than vertically. You know, yes, you have to flip

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Speaker 1: your hips at the exact right moment on a guy

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Speaker 1: you think is going deep, and if you guess wrong,

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Speaker 1: you're screwed because he breaks off the route and he's

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Speaker 1: got a fifteen yard game. But following a guy east

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Speaker 1: to west all the way across the field and staying

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Speaker 1: in his hip pocket where you could still make a

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Speaker 1: play on the ball is much more difficult because you

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Speaker 1: very often have to reach across the player's body if

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Speaker 1: the quarterback is putting the thing on the money. And

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Speaker 1: that was the problem that Tyrod had. It very often

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Speaker 1: wasn't on the money, it was behind, it was high,

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Speaker 1: and I think it really hurt the consistency of Buffalo's

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Speaker 1: passing game the last couple of years, probably most egregiously

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Speaker 1: last year when they finished thirty first in passing. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you, who do you think will

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Speaker 1: be the surprise standout that people don't see coming from

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Speaker 1: this year's training camp. Only four practices in Give us

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Speaker 1: a call eight oh three h five fifty the number

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Speaker 1: outside Buffalo toll free one eight eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty. Got a call on the line from

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Speaker 1: a caller who has another wide receiver in mind, John

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Speaker 1: in his car. John, go ahead, you're on the air

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Speaker 1: with us, Hey, guys, thanks for taking a call. I

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Speaker 1: don't know much about this guy. Can't Philip Stair a bit?

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Speaker 1: Every time I hear something a good pass being made,

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Speaker 1: he seems to be on a rece some pretty good passes,

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Speaker 1: which makes me think you might have some pretty good hands.

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Speaker 1: Do you know anything? You tell me anything about the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: have you've seen practice, John, because you sound like somebody

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Speaker 1: who may have because Cam Phillips has been I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: have you seen any practices you have this summer? No?

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Speaker 1: I just just want to hear you guys talk about

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Speaker 1: he's made place. I'm impressed. He's a rookie, undrafted free

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Speaker 1: agent from Ginia Tech who was signed I want to say,

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Speaker 1: June something by the Bills after the draft. He's made plays.

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Speaker 1: Chris as he made enough to claim a roster spot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he has made some plays. I

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Speaker 1: think if he cam Phillips at all. I noticed him

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Speaker 1: a little bit more in the spring than I did

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Speaker 1: so far in training camp. But as I mentioned, he

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Speaker 1: caught that fifty yard bomb on the hail Mary by um,

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Speaker 1: you know Nate Peterman in practice on Saturday morning, and

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Speaker 1: he's made some plays in the intermediate game. The thing

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Speaker 1: about Cam is this is a guy you know comes

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Speaker 1: from a power high school program at Damatha, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the Washington, DC area, Plated Virginia Tech. You know.

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Speaker 1: So what he doesn't have is elite speed. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a possession guy largely, but he's got long arms,

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Speaker 1: decent size, So you know, I think it's a guy

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Speaker 1: that is in that mix. I think he's probably on

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Speaker 1: the back half of that mix more often than not.

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Speaker 1: He's getting third team reps, but they have rotated him

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Speaker 1: up on occasion to set team, so you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just a matter of stringing those days together. I think

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Speaker 1: that's what he's got to do going forward if he's

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Speaker 1: going to try to move up the depth chart, so

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Speaker 1: to speak. I don't think he's quite the talent that

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Speaker 1: Robert Foster is from a physical standpoint, But as we

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Speaker 1: all know, I mean, I remember Lee Evans told me

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Speaker 1: this the year he got drafted. He said, I had

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Speaker 1: a really smart coach in high school who told me

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Speaker 1: how fast you are does not determine how good a

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Speaker 1: receiver you are. It's about route running, precision and knowing

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Speaker 1: when to make a move to separate from a defensive back.

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Speaker 1: So there's a certain mental acuity that you have to

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Speaker 1: have and a feel to read defensive backs, set them

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Speaker 1: up to get yourself open, you know, when you absolutely

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Speaker 1: have to. And I'm not ready to say that Cam

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Speaker 1: Phillips has that knack yet, but it seems even though

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Speaker 1: he might be a little short on pure speed and

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Speaker 1: maybe some other physical qualities that would have made him

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Speaker 1: a raft choice, there seemed to be little elements to

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Speaker 1: his game where he's got some route savvy and can

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Speaker 1: find openings to make plays. He's made a couple of plays.

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Speaker 1: A guy to watch for sure, as the training camp

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Speaker 1: moves along, Chris and I. Chris Brown is in studio

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Speaker 1: with US Steve tasker Off. Today day offer the players

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Speaker 1: at training camp in Rochester. They'll be back on the

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Speaker 1: field tomorrow and we'll be back after a break to

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Speaker 1: talk more about this. Your take, who will be the

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Speaker 1: surprise standout of the Bills training camp this year? Four

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Speaker 1: days in. Maybe you've seen somebody, you've heard of, somebody

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Speaker 1: who you think might be making a move, Give us

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Speaker 1: a call. We got lines open eight oh three h

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Speaker 1: five fifty or toll free one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty, or you can vote in our

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll. It is one Bill's Live presented by Collat

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Speaker 1: of Health or coming from One Bill's Drive and this

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. We're comingy alive from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: Genre if Chris Brown filling in today for Steve Tasker

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Speaker 1: will be back live at training camp tomorrow. Those practice

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Speaker 1: bright and early in the morning. It is closed to

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Speaker 1: the public, but they're back open again Wednesday at eight

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Speaker 1: forty five and Thursday at eight forty five in Rochester Camp.

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Speaker 1: So far four days in. What do you think which

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Speaker 1: player do you think it's likely will be as kind

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Speaker 1: of a surprise standout similar to the way that Brandon

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Speaker 1: Riley was last year. Give us a call, let us

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Speaker 1: know what you think. Eight oh three oh five fifty

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Speaker 1: and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty. Bob's on the line from North Carolina. Bob,

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Speaker 1: what do you think you got a candidate for this category? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. I've been able to find online

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Speaker 1: so far about the one on one drills, it seems

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Speaker 1: like Harrison Phillips is standing out. I wonder from your standpoint,

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Speaker 1: guys who've seen those one on one battle so far

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Speaker 1: with Bodine, with Groy, with the new guy, the rookie

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Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech and guard who's winning those battles because

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Speaker 1: you and I both know it's going to be one

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Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, good question, Bob. I think Harrison Phillips

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Speaker 1: has been a good, solid, not spectacular, not great, but good.

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Speaker 1: Looks like he fits in really well up front and

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Speaker 1: particularly in those one on one battles. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: say year on to something there. I think Harrison Phillips

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Speaker 1: is a guy who I don't know if it's a

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Speaker 1: surprise standout, but he's been a good, solid player who

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Speaker 1: I think has something to offer this team to ship.

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Speaker 1: I think it's surprising from the standpoint of I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people believed Harrison Phillips was largely drafted

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Speaker 1: to be Star Lotula's back up at the nose position,

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Speaker 1: one technique, whatever you want to call it, and that

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Speaker 1: is where he's lining up in team sessions. And I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people who maybe didn't see a

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Speaker 1: lot of Stanford football saw him as a guy that

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Speaker 1: you know, is going to stop the run and maybe

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Speaker 1: push the pocket a little bit on passing downs. His handwork,

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Speaker 1: which obviously has to come from his wrestling background, it

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Speaker 1: is sharp. Yeah, I mean it is really good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is stand out noticeably in one on one pass

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Speaker 1: rush drills. And I talked to him after practice the

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Speaker 1: second day of practice because he did a counter spin

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Speaker 1: move on Ryan Groy and you know, Ryan's been pretty

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Speaker 1: steady in these one on ones, and he just he

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Speaker 1: just spun right off him and got into the guy

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Speaker 1: holding the ball as the would be quarterback. And he

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Speaker 1: had two other wins against Bodine and then against Marshall

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Speaker 1: Marshall Newhouse or maybe another card. No, it wasn't Marshall Newhouse.

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Speaker 1: It was the younger guard DeAndre Wesley, and he's just

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Speaker 1: he's standing out over there. And so I talked to

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Speaker 1: him after practice and he said, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be a run stopper only. I want to be able

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Speaker 1: to go out on the field on third down too.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to come off after second down. I

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Speaker 1: want to be on the field on third down. And

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Speaker 1: it was funny he was talking about all I gotta

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Speaker 1: do on passing downs is win ten percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a Pro Bowl player, said, WHOA, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about? And he said, well, some of the

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Speaker 1: veteran players were breaking it down for us. They said,

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Speaker 1: in the course of a sixteen game schedule, whether you're

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Speaker 1: a starter or you're a rotational wave player on the

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Speaker 1: defensive line, based on the number of snaps, if you're

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Speaker 1: healthy for all sixteen games, there will be about one

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Speaker 1: hundred true passing down obvious passing down situations where you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to rush the passer. And if you

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Speaker 1: win on ten of those one hundred rushes meaning a

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Speaker 1: sack or forcing an interception or something to that effect,

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Speaker 1: he said, these guys are telling us you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl. And I mean, if a defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle's getting ten sacks, I guess, yeah, you probably have

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Speaker 1: a good chance of being in the Pro Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: I guess Kyle and Star were kind of breaking that

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Speaker 1: down for some of the younger players. I just kind

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Speaker 1: of thought it was, you know, you wouldn't normally think

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Speaker 1: that ten percent is an elite statistic, but for a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, I could see it being that. Yes, So

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Speaker 1: he's committed to being a complete player at the defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle position, and credit to him. I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 1: through the first four practices, that's my first defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: off the bench. After Star Latula and Kayle Williams. He

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Speaker 1: is first guy in because he has been that that

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Speaker 1: impressive ahead of a Dolphins Washington. You're saying, yes, I

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Speaker 1: would put him on the field ahead of him. He

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Speaker 1: just brings There's more suddenness to Harrison's game. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why that is, but you know, Adolphins is kind

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Speaker 1: He's more of a stand in there and grind kind

644
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: of player, and I thought Harrison Phillips would be somewhat

645
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: similar to that. But he's got great feat and he's

646
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: got some suddenness to his game. He and his heavy hands,

647
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean he pops that defense, that offensive lineman. He

648
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: can stand guys straight up. You see it right away.

649
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: It's unmistakable. And just the early signs from him have

650
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: been very encouraging. I want to see more and I

651
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: want to see how he does in preseason games, but

652
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: the early returns on him have been Holy cow, you

653
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: got this guy at the end of the third round.

654
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done really, really well, Chris. They signed

655
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: John Hughes defensive tackle. Last week. They signed Ryan Russell.

656
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a defensive end type, right, Yeah, yes,

657
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: signed him yesterday. And I asked Leslie Frasier this question yesterday,

658
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? What's missing from the equation upfront?

659
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: What type of player looking for? Didn't get much of

660
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: an answer. He kind of answered more like it, it's

661
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: a question of numbers. We need numbers upfront, which I

662
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: acknowledge that that might be a numbers. Why are you

663
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: making this many changes here the first three or four days.

664
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Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you think they're looking for?

665
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: Coach Frasier wasn't really didn't want to answer that question. Yeah,

666
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you think what is there a type they're missing upfront

667
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: or a prototype of something that they don't have upfront?

668
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I can't use as a big man. They very often

669
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: do not bring in players this late in the game

670
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: that they don't have some personal knowledge of. What I

671
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: mean by that is there's either somebody on their scouting

672
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: staff or somebody on their coaching staff that has been

673
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: around that player on a daily basis and knows how

674
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: they operate and knows whether or not they're the kind

675
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: of person, character makeup wise that canfunction in the way

676
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: coach McDermott conducts business every day in the meeting rooms,

677
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: on the field and all of that. Because short of

678
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: that they're probably not bringing that player in. Now. There

679
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: are probably exceptions because you can't it's almost impossible to

680
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: fill out a ninety man roster and intimately know every

681
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: single player or have someone on your staff that had

682
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: previously worked with said player. So there are instances where

683
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: you bring players in and you say, this guy has

684
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: the physical skill set, we're hearing good things about him.

685
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: No one's really been around him for firsthand knowledge, but

686
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: let's bring him in and see if it works. My

687
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: guess is that was somebody like O Diggi Zoua. They

688
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: probably did not have anybody that knew him closely worked

689
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: with him day by day before. They were just going

690
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: on skill set and whatever intel they could gather on

691
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: how he works day in and day out. It became

692
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: evident that he was not delivering on that, and I

693
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: think it might be more of a byproduct of who's

694
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: not working that goes out the door and then trying

695
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: to find another answer coming back in. Because it's very

696
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: clear to me that as soon as they make a

697
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: decision on whether someone has, as coach McDermot says time

698
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: and again, the right DNA to play on this team,

699
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: if they determine that they are unsure about that or

700
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: don't believe the player has it, They're moved off the

701
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: roster pretty quickly. And it doesn't seem to matter the

702
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: caliber of player you're dealing with either. I mean, we

703
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: can run down the list last year that everybody knows

704
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: all too well with Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, and Marcel Darius.

705
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, those are four top draft three top draft

706
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: choices for the Bills over the years twenty fifteen and

707
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, all out the door, supremely talented, but not

708
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: guys that fit the DNA here. So you know, when

709
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about the back end of the roster, I

710
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: mean they're gonna rotate that all the time. And I

711
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: think there's an element of that too that keeps everybody

712
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: else on their toes. You know. You you see guys

713
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: three days into camp getting clipped. If I'm near the

714
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: back half of the roster, I'm kicking an into gear

715
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more the next day in practice, you

716
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, who's next? You don't know? Yeah,

717
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, that's it. So I think

718
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: there's an element of that too. You know, if there's

719
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: really a marginal difference between O, DIGGI, Zooa and Russell,

720
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: and you can get a little bit more out of

721
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys competing every day by making

722
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: that kind of a sweater. I'm not saying that's the

723
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: sole reason, but it's certainly a beneficial byproduct and interesting

724
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: to quick moves. What do you think who will be

725
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: the surprise standout of this year's training camp? We got

726
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: time to talk about that eight three five fifty and

727
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: toll Free one eight eight fifty two five fifty want

728
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: to talk about this, And again we started at the

729
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: top of the show. We don't want to reach any

730
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: overwhelming conclusions after just four days of practice, but both

731
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: Chris and I having watched the practices, I think of

732
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: a pretty good sense of what we like and what

733
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: we'd like to see so far in camp. And let's

734
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: let's talk about that training camp so far, what we've

735
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: seen and what we need to see. What have I seen?

736
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: I've seen a very strong defense, and I think you

737
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: feel the same way. First team in particular, it's tough

738
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: for the offense so far four days and it's early

739
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: and I've found over the years defenses will typically be

740
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: ahead of offenses. And you've got an offense at is

741
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: brand new this year as well, with new quarterbacks for

742
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: the most part, but the defense is solid. They are

743
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: dominant I think upfront people like we mentioned some of them,

744
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: but especially Star Lotulele, Trent Murphy, I think has been

745
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: dominant so far in camp. And they they're good on

746
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: the back end, good lockdown on the back end. Trimmy

747
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: and Edmonds is checking off all the boxes right, flying

748
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: around the field like he's supposed to do, never appears

749
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: to be overwhelmed by his duties, calling the defensive signals

750
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: and lining the plays. The defense, I think is what

751
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: I've liked most of all so far through four days. Chris,

752
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us went into this training

753
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: camp Slash twenty eighteen campaign thinking that the defense would

754
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: kind of be how this team is going to go

755
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: this year. I think, you know, knowing the newness of

756
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: the offense, the uncertainty because you just don't have an

757
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: answer yet a quarterback, so there's no continuity there, that

758
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: the defense was going to probably through the first month,

759
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: maybe month and a half of the season, is going

760
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to largely be entrusted with holding this team in games.

761
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: And you know, for the Bills, to win. They may

762
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: have to win thirteen ten, sixteen, thirteen, things like that

763
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: at least early in the season, until the offense kind

764
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: of hits its stride and gets things into gear and

765
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: operates like a well oiled machine. They've shown no sign

766
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: to me that they're not going to be capable of

767
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: doing that because there have been almost zero big plays

768
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: given up by the first team defense. There have been

769
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: some big plays against team second and thirteen defense, but

770
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: there is nothing to be had out there with the

771
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: first team defense. That's what I wrote in my three

772
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: things to know about Day three of camp. First team

773
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: defense is locking it down and they've been fortunate too.

774
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: Josh Allen had a pass in a red zone period

775
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: to Kelvin Benjamin. It was on target. Vante Davis just

776
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: disrupts Benjamin enough where he bobbles the ball and it

777
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: goes right to Jordan Poyer off a tip and he

778
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: gets the pick in the end zone. But that's how

779
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: they made a lot of their plays last year, you know,

780
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: and I think the standard has been raised on that

781
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: side of the ball even further. They don't care that

782
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: they have a twenty year old running their defensive middle linebacker.

783
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: They don't care that, you know, Vante Davis is a

784
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: new guy in the back, you know, at the cornerback position.

785
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: They don't care that you know they've got two new

786
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: players up front. I mean Star La Tulas played in

787
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: his defense his entire career. He just walks in the door.

788
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: He's ready to go. And I'm just gonna say this

789
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: real quick about Star Latula. You want to talk about

790
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the one on ones, There was one play and I

791
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: cannot remember which center it was, but he bull drop,

792
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, he bullrushes him up the field with his

793
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: left arm, like backs him up like he's on roller skates,

794
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: and then takes his right arm and just throws him

795
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: out of the way. And I was just like, when

796
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: you see a three hundred pound man get pushed sideways

797
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: six feet with one arm from I was like, Okay,

798
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: I think we know why this guy's here. It was impressive.

799
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: Holy cow, that was probably the most eye popping play

800
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: in the one on ones between offense and defense, certainly

801
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: on Saturday and maybe so far in camp, because I

802
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: mean he's pushing the guy backwards with one arm and

803
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: then just cocks the right arm punches it through under

804
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: the guy's shoulder and he was just he was out

805
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: of the way, he was gone, he moved. It's like

806
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: a hydroplane six feet over. I couldn't believe it. Chris

807
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: and I are talking about what we've seen, what we

808
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: need to see in training camp. When we come back,

809
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. And it's not all defense. I'm

810
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what I've seen on offense that I

811
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: like so far. That's coming up next. One Bill's Live

812
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. It's

813
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: day off camp. So Chris Brown is in studio with us.

814
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker rejoins us tomorrow. Come. Our show comes to

815
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Speaker 1: you live from Orchard Park today tomorrow from Saint John

816
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Fisher Collins. Just take a phone call here Raymond and Buffalo.

817
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Raymond, you're on the air. That's hello.

818
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Why are you doing okay? Um? I have a question.

819
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why they got rid of tight Rod.

820
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: I know that he choked in the playoffs, you know,

821
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: first and five and they went back twenty yards. But

822
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: my thing is, though they should have punch the ball,

823
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: gave Shady the ball, pushing it down the middle like

824
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: they should have. I mean, we need a quarterback, and

825
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: these guys are young, and then I even develop and

826
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: didn't even want to ask him getting in a professional

827
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: football league and life. You gotta be unique. You gotta

828
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: be very unique to be that quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, Raymond,

829
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't know the tyrode is unique and why they

830
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: get rid of him because they were second to last

831
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: in passing offense for a couple of years in a row.

832
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't one play, it wasn't one performance, it wasn't

833
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the playoff game against Jacksonville that didn't help. But I'm

834
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: okay with the Bills making that move. I think, you know,

835
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: they're kind of maybe taking a half step back to

836
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: look to the future, right, and that's why they drafted

837
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: the guy they think has the potential to be their

838
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. That's what I think they're thinking is Chris

839
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: and I think the reason they made him the seventh

840
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: pick in the draft is because they think he is

841
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: a unique talent, as Raymond was asking for. So he

842
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: may not be ready to play and deliver in a

843
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: fashion that you wish you could have in your quarterback

844
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: this year, but I think they genuinely believe in due

845
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: time that he will be significantly better at the quarterback position,

846
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: where this team is not ranked at the bottom of

847
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: the league in passing offense in a league that is

848
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: largely passing the football. They came to a decision at

849
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: the end of the year that thirty first in the

850
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: league in passing is just not good enough. And you

851
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: can bet dollars to donuts that they reviewed every single

852
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: play of the twenty seventeen season and didn't just arbitrarily say, well,

853
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: it's definitely the quarterback and that's we got to move

854
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: on from Tyrod. I think they evaluated every coach McDermot

855
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: and his staff. They're just way too methodical and how

856
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: they do things. Their eyes may have told them one thing,

857
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: but you better believe they went to the tape to

858
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: confirm what they feel they saw, and evidently they saw that.

859
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: And we're convinced that Tyrod was the biggest thing holding

860
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: the passing offense back. I mean, the guy had the

861
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: ball in his hands on almost every play, so it

862
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: does make sense logically, and they confirmed that with films.

863
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: So they felt that it was their duty to try

864
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: to make that position a better one. We may not

865
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: see it definitively this year. It may take to the

866
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: back half of this year. It may who knows, it

867
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: may take until twenty nineteen. We don't know, just because

868
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: of the nature of what's going on right now with

869
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: a three way quarterback competition. But the steps that were

870
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: taking this offseason, moving Tyrode off the roster and acquiring

871
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: a J McCarron in free agency and drafting Josh Allen

872
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: were made for the sole purpose of trying to make

873
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: the passing game better. Chris and I talked him a

874
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: little bit about what we've seen in camp so far,

875
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: what we need to see. We talked about defense first first,

876
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: and foremost on offense. What I've seen so far that

877
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I like a lot. Chris is Chris Ivory's performance. He

878
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: had a good day yesterday. He had early on in

879
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: a team session yesterday in one of the practice periods,

880
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: he had a great cut run to the left with

881
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: a quick burst, and I talked to him a little

882
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: bit about and after practice. Here's my brief conversation with

883
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: running back Chris Ivory after yesterday's work out at Saint

884
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: John Fisher. Things are starting to come together, guys and

885
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: get more comfortable with all fence, and um, you know

886
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: those first couple of days, it comes and you know

887
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta break break yourself back in into the

888
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: groove of things. So I think, um, you know, we're

889
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: making steps towards you know what we can do. You

890
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: had those first two days no pads. When you get

891
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: in pads, that's really when it would seem like the

892
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: run game can come alive a little bit. Huh. Yeah,

893
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: it's a it's a little better to see you see

894
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: things that developed. Being that you are, you have more

895
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: contact than you're able to go out all out. So, um,

896
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: I think you know that's what we was able to

897
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: do today and going forward, you know we're gonna try

898
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: to continue to do the same thing. There was one

899
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: team period going this way early on and you got loose,

900
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: finding a nice crease over the left side. And I think,

901
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: while I'll speak for yourself, you surprise me how quick

902
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: you are. I mean, you're like a power back, but

903
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: you also have a quickness to mension to your game too.

904
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: See us a misconception about a lot of guys that

905
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: hadn't really had a chance to really actually see me

906
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: live or play on the field. You know, this close,

907
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: so you know, that's something I've been had. I've been

908
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: had to quickness and speed and you know it's just undervalue. Um.

909
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: But you know, um, you know when the time comes

910
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: and people able to see it, you know that's what

911
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: you see. But you know, overall, I just continue to

912
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: try to better my game each and every day and

913
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: make sure I know what I'm doing when it's time

914
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: to go out. Last thing for you, where do you

915
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: see your role on this team? What do you expect

916
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: to be? You know when we're out of here camping

917
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: about three weeks. I'm sorry, where do you expect to be?

918
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: What your role will be in three weeks when game Um,

919
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm not as sure, but I know I know they

920
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: have a defined role from me. So right now, I'm

921
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: just trying to learn everything and make sure I understand

922
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: protections and one of my responsibilities. And you know, once

923
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: that time comes and then you know, we'll see them.

924
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: One of the things I've seen that they like the

925
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: running of Chris Ibray. Look, we know Shady's the guy,

926
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: He's going to be the guy. But I think last

927
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: year when McCoy came out, you know, Tolbert would replace

928
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: him and maybe some of the others later on, and

929
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: you're like, huh, well, that's that takes a lot of

930
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: a running game. May not be the case this year.

931
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: And Ivory, with his size and with his power, when

932
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: he adds that little speed dimension, I think he's a

933
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: very interesting prospect. In the time that I talked to

934
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: him back in the spring, he told me I'm also

935
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: underrated as a pass catcher. He goes, no coach has

936
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: ever used me enough in that face at the game,

937
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: so nobody believes I can do it because I've been

938
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: in the league so long and I don't get the

939
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to catch to football. He goes, I can do

940
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: that too, and we'll see if Coach Table lets me

941
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: do that in this offense. I tend to think McCoy

942
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: will be getting most of the receptions, but it's interesting that.

943
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not short on confidence, that's for sure,

944
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: and it seems like there's almost a bed of frustration

945
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: in there that he hasn't been able to put his

946
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: full game on display. So it'd be interesting to see

947
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: if Coach Table allows him to do that, you know,

948
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: as the complimentary weapon to McCoy in the backfield, what

949
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: we've seen, what we need to see. We'll talk more

950
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: about that as the afternoon rolls along. Coming up after

951
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: the top of the hour break. Coming up next, we're

952
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: gonna talk with an NFL Network reporter who is in camp.

953
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Omar Ruiz of NFL Network talked with

954
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, talk to some others. He's also been at

955
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans camp. He'll join us when we come

956
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: back for our number two Come on back. One Bill's Live,

957
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: presented by Kalaid of Health. Where you're at One Bill's Driving.

958
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills RADIOHILS Radio Network Stories stop date.

959
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: First off day for Bills players in the twenty eighteen

960
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: training camp. Four days on the field at Saint John Fisher.

961
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: They got today off, back tomorrow for another morning practice.

962
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Eight forty five in fits for that practice closed to

963
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: the public. Two workouts open to the public and Fisher

964
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: this week Wednesday and Thursday morning. Then Friday the return

965
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: of the Blue and the Red to Newer Field a

966
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: nighttime practice here in Archer Park. That's a ticketed practice.

967
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: Go to Buffalo Bills dot com for details on ticketing

968
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: for all of the training camp workouts. Bills announce last

969
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: night They've signed defensive end Ryan Russell to a contract.

970
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: Originally a fifth round draft pick of the Dallas Cowboys

971
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen one season there, went to the Buccaneers

972
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: practice squad. Promoted to the bucks fifty three man roster.

973
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: Started six games last year for Tampa Bay, playing both

974
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: on defense and special teams. He's twenty six years old,

975
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: six foot five, two hundred seventy three pound defensive and

976
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Russell signed to a contract by the Bills yesterday.

977
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: Sam Darnell has apparently agreed to terms with the New

978
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: York Jets, the jets first round draft pick, expected to

979
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: reach agreement today. He's at the Jets building today ready

980
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: to sign a four year, thirty million dollars deal which

981
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: includes twenty million dollars guarantee. Andrew Luck had a great

982
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: Sunday night practice for the Indianapolis Colts in their training camp.

983
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: Reporters and fans alike when crazy over his playing their

984
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: fourth training camp practice, Luck made a number of deep

985
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: pinpoint passes several of the longtime favorite target t Y Hilton.

986
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: All observers of the Eagles camp say that Carson Wentz

987
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: looks impressive so far in his rehab He participated in

988
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven drills Friday and Saturday, including Saturday, the

989
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: first padded practice of the year for the Eagles. He

990
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: was held back Sunday, relegated to seven on sevens and

991
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: individual drills. Doug Peterson says the Eagles will continue to

992
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: take it easy be cautious with his return as Luck

993
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: comes back from his injury and Roquan Smith remains the loan,

994
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: unsigned first round draft pick, in part because of language

995
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: in his contract dealing with the NFL's new helmet rule.

996
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that as the afternoon moves along. John

997
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: Murphy Chris Brown in for Steve Tasker. It's One Bills

998
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: Live presented by Kalada Health here in Orchard Park today

999
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: where the Bills having a day off training camp. They

1000
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: were on Saturday, and when they were there Saturday, they

1001
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: had coverage from NFL Network, including our next guest. He

1002
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: is NFL reporter anchor for NFL Network, has been with

1003
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: them for the last six years. Happy to have Omar

1004
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: Ruiz on the line with us. Almar John Murphy and

1005
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: Chris Brown here in Orchard Park. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen.

1006
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Pleasure to be on and I just can't

1007
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: say enough good things about Saint John Fisher College in

1008
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: the set up the Bills have for training camp there

1009
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, truly one of the more charming towns in

1010
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: the training camp rounds. And Hude, I can't get I

1011
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: can't wait to get back, whether it's whether it's this

1012
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: year or next year. But sure was a fun weekend.

1013
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: Everybody likes that. What did you like about that set up? Almar?

1014
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: Did you think of the Bills camp in Pittsburgh in particular? Well,

1015
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: I thought the facilities were were beautiful, lush, convenient, everything

1016
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: well kept and uh close together. And then just the

1017
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: town itself. You know, we're kind of hustling and bustling

1018
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: for all these you know, big cities and major airports,

1019
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: so to be in a charming small town with the

1020
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Erie Canal and all the bridges and pedestrian walkways, it

1021
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: was just a refreshing visit. Something that you know, when

1022
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: you when you're grinding through the work schedule, you don't

1023
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: really get to get a sea that much. So it

1024
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: really was a cool experience. Did I read Omar you

1025
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: were born in Syracuse, right down the road from Pittsburgh.

1026
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: Is that right? No, no, no, I was. I was

1027
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: born in La but I went to I went to

1028
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Speaker 1: su A, Syracuse Grass Uh, you know, Proud Orange and

1029
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: U you know, I love being in central western New York.

1030
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: It was it was fun to be back, that's for sure. Okay,

1031
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: that's cool. Omar tell us, you're impression. I know you're

1032
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: a Patriots camp today. You were at Titans, I believe yesterday, right, yeah,

1033
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: making the rounds. Yeah here of the AFC half of

1034
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: the AFC playoff picture last year. I feel like we're

1035
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: just missing with the Chiefs, Jaguars and Steelers here. But

1036
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm pressures over the weekend at Bills that.

1037
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: You know, I thought Josh Allen looked good. I think

1038
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: that's that's what everybody wants to know. It. His arm

1039
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: talent is something that you know, we saw, you know,

1040
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: how far he could throw the ball at the combine

1041
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: and his pro days and everything like that. But I

1042
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of the times that arm strength shows

1043
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: up on the touch balls. You know, he threw that

1044
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: thirty yard touchdown passed down the left sideline. He had

1045
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: so much touch, so much loft, so much accuracy, and

1046
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: it looks like he barely flicked it with his wrist

1047
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: and still went about thirty yards. But then the next

1048
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: play he threw through an interception. So you know, while

1049
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: he has looked good at times, has looked like a

1050
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: rookie at others. But you know, a good first impression.

1051
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned for Josh Allen, so I

1052
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: tend to think, Omar, that you'd probably be in the

1053
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: same camp that that Murph and I are in, which

1054
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: is all. All he's really got to do is get

1055
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: his game to a level of consistency that they believe,

1056
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: or at least the coaching staff believes can either match

1057
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: or exceed that of you know, the two guys that

1058
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: have a little bit more experience than him, and Peterman

1059
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: and McCarron, and you know, sooner, you know, at that

1060
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: point in time, he's probably taking over. It's a consistency

1061
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: thing more than anything, don't you think, Omar, Well, I

1062
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: think that's exactly right. You hit it on the head,

1063
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: and I think that's what Josh Allen was talking about

1064
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: when when I spoke to him after practice on Saturday,

1065
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: I asked him to evaluate his performance, and he said

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Speaker 1: he wants to be more consistent decision making I thought

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00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: that was an interesting take on things, because we know

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00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: he can make all the throws, so you know, it's

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00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: the physical, the tools. All that is not really a question.

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00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: But perhaps instead of trying to make better throws on

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00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: those interceptions he threw, maybe not throwing that way at all. So, yeah,

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00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: it is consistency to get to the point where he's

1073
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: not hurting the team. But if if they can get

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00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: somebody in there who threatened downfield a little more consistently

1075
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: than than you know, quite frankly, a lot of a

1076
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks in the NFL. I think, yeah, the

1077
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: Bills would be would be happy to have him in there.

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00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: Run the line with NFL Network reporter anchor Omar Ruiz,

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Speaker 1: who is at the Bills training camp in Rochester over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Omar, what do you think it is about

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00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Josh Hellen that makes him such a lightning rod? Some

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00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: people think he has no business being in the first

1083
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: round with some of those other first round quarterbacks, and

1084
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: others look at the big arm and saying, yeah, he's

1085
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: he's a talent, a big rock talent. Why why does

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00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: he engender so many different opposing viewpoints? Do you think? Well,

1087
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: because I think you know, when you look at his

1088
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: resume in college, you know, going to Wyoming and getting

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00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: discovered late, having to go through junior college out of California,

1090
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: and and you know, not necessarily lighting it up at Wyoming,

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00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, played well at times, but not not consistently

1092
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: or against any of the major teams that we traditionally

1093
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: read about. And then and then you see some examples

1094
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: just out at practice. You know, while I talked about

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00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: some of the great throws he made, there were some

1096
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: in throwing drills, not necessarily and seven on seven or

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00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, but just when the running routes with

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00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: the receivers that he was way off on throws, and

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00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, just the consistency and his footwork and the

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Speaker 1: mechanics to not make such errand throws. I think you

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00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: sometimes those would show up on his college tapes. I

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00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: think that's another reason. You know, when you see a

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00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: throw so far off, you wonder how that can happen.

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00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: But I think it's a matter of you know, becoming

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00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: a professional and maintaining that discipline to treat each of

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00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: those practice reps valuable with value, and that translates hopefully

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00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: for him in the game. Oh or it was you know,

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00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: obviously Josh Allen was probably assignment number one for you

1109
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: coming to Bill's camp, But was there something else that

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00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: maybe would be a one A one A or a

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00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: one B that caught your eye that maybe you weren't

1112
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: anticipating coming to Bill's camp over the weekend. Well, I

1113
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: want to see how good this secondary can be. I

1114
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: was teasing Stredavious White that, hey, if you know, he

1115
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: has another year and like he did last year, and

1116
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: just accelerates his improvement even more going into year two.

1117
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: And with Vontae Davis now back in the mix, if

1118
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: he could be healthy and kind of returns to form

1119
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: the way he was at his best with the Colts,

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Speaker 1: and and there was Micah Hyde, you know, coming back. Employer.

1121
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: If they're not going to be, you know, an intimidating secondary,

1122
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: but they can make a lot of plays and steal

1123
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot of football, I was seizing White, if if

1124
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: they keep doing that, they accelerate, maybe they just are

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00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: deserving of a nickname. Like you know, we've seen some

1126
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: of the great secondaries over the years, so I'm I'm

1127
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: eager to see how good they are how that can

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Speaker 1: translate in twenty eighteen season, because for as much as

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00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: we talk about the offense, deservedly so, Shady McCoy is

1130
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: going to continue to be that centerpiece and no matter

1131
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: who plays quarterback, is going to be something we talk about.

1132
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Defense I think will carry the day for them and

1133
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: ultimately be the key for them in this season. Oh right,

1134
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: with Anna mind, what do you think is a realistic,

1135
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, total win range for this Bill's team? Sports

1136
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: Hilspredia says they're going to win three. I think most

1137
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: of us feel like they're considerably better than that. But

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, I don't see why they

1139
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: couldn't get um, you know, a similar type season from

1140
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: last year. Now they will have to to scratch, claw

1141
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: and scrape, you know, to go nine and seven and

1142
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: sneak into the playoffs again. But but if you if

1143
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: you're pleasantly surprised with what you get at quarterback, and

1144
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: I'll remember, even if if AJ McCarron were to win

1145
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: the job, we don't really know what he can be.

1146
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: We've only seen him with four starts. He almost took

1147
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals to a playoff win, should have taken the

1148
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: Bengals to a playoff wins. So so whether it's McCarron

1149
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: or Peterman or even Josh Allen, you might be pleasantly

1150
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: surprised with what you get at quarterback and if the

1151
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: offense can live up live up to its building. We

1152
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: just talked about the defense. I think there's no reason

1153
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: why you can't think they can contend again or you know,

1154
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: maybe that last wildcard spot. So I know you're up

1155
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: in New England where, um they're drawing all kinds of headlines,

1156
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, between Tom Brady walking off the lectern grounds

1157
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: contract one's again to get redone, Brady Belichick strife rumors

1158
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: and them denying it, Belichick still trying to dodge Malcolm

1159
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Butler questions from last year's Super Bowl? What is what

1160
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: is the latest up there? Since you're up there, is

1161
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: it still Keystone cops with the media right now? Yeah,

1162
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean we'll hear from Belichick a little later today.

1163
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: But you said it, there's always something to talk about

1164
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: with these Patriots, and a lot of it has to

1165
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: do with off the field stuff. I'm eager to see

1166
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: just what they look like on the field, because as

1167
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: much as we talk about, you know, the headline stories

1168
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: that are out there, involving these these huge superstars. They

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00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: do have a cornerback position to feel. Like you mentioned

1170
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, he's now gone. You're gonna have Danny Edelman,

1171
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean Danny Amendola gone now, and then Edelman is

1172
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna be gone for the first four games of the seasons.

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00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: You have that wide receiver position in flux, and then

1174
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: you have so many running backs. Now Sony Michelle's name

1175
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: added to the mix. How how they're all coming together

1176
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: run the football field? Now? Bill Belichick has been pretty

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00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: complimentary of this team so far in the offseason, something

1178
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: that maybe he's he's not accustomed to do. But but yeah,

1179
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: I want to see how it comes together. Because for

1180
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: all we talk about these off the field issues, come January,

1181
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots are always in the mix. That's the thing, right,

1182
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: And that's why you want to see him on the field.

1183
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: They can have all kinds of distractions that Chris just listed,

1184
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: but they have the greatest quarterback of the generation and

1185
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: one of the great coaches of all time. That's a

1186
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: tough combination to beat, isn't it. Omar It's it's remarkable

1187
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: and I think one of the keys for them, and

1188
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: it's something that that I think they developed during training camp.

1189
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: Is that championship level depth, you know, I say every year.

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00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: It's one of the theories I have and why the

1191
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: Patriots are so good is they develop players, and so

1192
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: their roster one through fifty three every single year is

1193
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: probably going to be the best roster. Now, the last

1194
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: thirty guys on that roster you may have never heard of,

1195
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: but but they're developed and every player is counted upon

1196
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: at some point during the seasons. Why there's not much

1197
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: fall off when you have guys that have huge injuries

1198
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: and are out for the rest of the year, then

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Speaker 1: no matter what search situations and circumstances are unfolding for them,

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01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: they're always there in January because some of these unheralded

1201
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: players that get developed at this time of year. Omar

1202
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Speaker 1: Rui's NFL network on the line with us and you

1203
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: spent some time, I believe yesterday with the Tennessee Titans,

1204
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: and I think I read you maybe you tweeted this

1205
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: out Omar something about how now going into his fourth year,

1206
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: everybody pretty much in Tennessee expects that Marcus Mariota will

1207
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: emerge as they need him to emerge as a great quarterback.

1208
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: He's been pretty good for his first three years, but

1209
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: the time for him to take the next step, I

1210
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: would think they must feel that way down there in Tennessee, right, Yeah,

1211
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: most certainly because I think he took a little step back.

1212
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of ironic that he threw for more interceptions

1213
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: last year than he did touchdowns, so seemingly not a

1214
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: good year. But then the team went to the playoffs

1215
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: and actually won a game in the playoffs. So I

1216
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: think everybody would like to see Mariota take that next step,

1217
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Speaker 1: go deeper in the playoffs, and really turn around, specifically

1218
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: with his play on the field. They have a new

1219
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: system with Matt Lafleur, and if you look at Lafleur's

1220
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: track record the quarterbacks coach with Matt Ryan back in

1221
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen season for the Falcons, Ryan of course

1222
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: won the MVP that year the Falcons went to the

1223
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and then last year Lafleur was the offensive

1224
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Rams. We saw kind of turn around

1225
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: they had with Sean mcvayh and Jared Goffe at quarterbacks.

1226
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: They're hoping for similar progress for Marcus Mariota. The system

1227
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: that they run seems to be tailor made for Marcus.

1228
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: Mariota's skill set obviously has to put it together. They're

1229
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: still implementing it. He's still learning it, but they're confident

1230
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: that he can do so. Do you know if they

1231
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: are averse to letting him take off and run as

1232
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: much as he had, you know, in the previous systems.

1233
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: Has Lafleur shed any light on whether he's going to

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: try to keep him in the pocket more, because it

1235
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: seemed like whenever he felt he needed to, you know,

1236
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: he kind of had the green light previously. I'm just

1237
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of curious if Lafleur as a different approach, you know,

1238
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: to kind of keep him from getting beat up. I mean,

1239
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: he's not the thickest quarterback in the world. Sure, yeah, well,

1240
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: certainly they want to protect him. I think that was

1241
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: a major reason why they locked up Taylor Luan for

1242
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: years to come. They'd him the highest state offensive lineman

1243
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: in history. I don't know. I know Mariota has the

1244
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: ability to run. I don't know how much they want

1245
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: him to do it. But with bon lewis now there

1246
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: at the running back position to compliment Derek Henry, they're

1247
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: gonna want to get Lewis involved in the past game,

1248
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: we saw how effective he could be here in New England.

1249
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: They'll probably try to use some of those concepts there,

1250
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: and it's really a matter of how much they get

1251
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: from their young receiver group. They had Corey Davis go

1252
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: in the first round last year, was a little banged up,

1253
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: the Richard Matthews coming with an injury. How productive can

1254
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: those receivers be? How can they stretch the field? That

1255
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: will also help Marcus Mariotta in the run game and

1256
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: ultimately keep him healthy. Oh, mar do you anticipate that

1257
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: new head coach Mike vrabel is an upgrade for the

1258
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. He's never done this before. I know he's

1259
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: got a good background. But what do you make of that?

1260
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: And how how much in command did he appear to

1261
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: be in the day that you spent there at Titans camp? Well,

1262
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: I answer the second part. First, he seemed very in command.

1263
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: He is intense. You know, you can tell that he

1264
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: was a leader in his playing days in the NFL

1265
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: and certainly a leader of that organization now, challenging the players,

1266
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: challenging the coaching staff. Really a hands on style involved

1267
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of the drills, um, you know, with

1268
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: with running backs and the blitz pick up and you

1269
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: name it. He's out there. Um. And whether it's an upgrade,

1270
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: we'll see. UM. You know, obviously they wanted more out

1271
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: of Mariota. They overhauled, uh, the entire staff. And I

1272
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: will say this, the last two teams that went to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and then made a coaching change, the twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen Broncos and the two thousand and nine Colds made

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl run that year. So they're hoping for

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Speaker 1: similar success from Rabel. But you know, his intensity, his

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Speaker 1: competitiveness certainly a stamp on that Titans team. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Where does your camp tour take you next? After Patriots

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Speaker 1: camp today, Omar, I'm hoping home. I was scheduled for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Been away for about eight days. It'll be nice to

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Speaker 1: see the kids and the wife and then and I'll

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Speaker 1: probably make my rounds there with the Southern California teams. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Get a day of training camp there, U and count

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Speaker 1: down to week one. Great, thanks for coming on with us, Omar.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Thank you guys anytime. Omar Rui's NFL

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Speaker 1: Network reporter anchor. He was at Bill's camp Saturday, Titans

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Speaker 1: Camp Sunday, and Patriots camp today. Omar joined us on

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Speaker 1: the Subway fresh Day Huntline Subway Eat Fresh to the

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Speaker 1: Titans for a moment. Chris, let me bounce this off yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. And I appreciate Mike Vrabel is a

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Speaker 1: solid player and a good assistant coach, but ready to

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Speaker 1: take over a team that won a playoff game last

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Speaker 1: year and get them moving even further into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. And part of this is

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Speaker 1: my affinity for Mike Malarkey. I think Malarkey did a

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Speaker 1: heck of a job last year and a couple of

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Speaker 1: years with Tennessee. I don't know if that's an upgrade

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Speaker 1: Rabel over Malarkey. I gotta say that, what was the

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Speaker 1: only defensive coordinator for one year? Yeah? I think he

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Speaker 1: was the only coordinator for one year, and that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of thin as head coaching resumes, co I

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Speaker 1: see it. So I was a little surprised by it.

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Speaker 1: I kind of get the sense that Tennessee was intrigued

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Speaker 1: with the Patriot mystique a little bit. I think I

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Speaker 1: think that helped Vrabel an awful lot I just don't

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Speaker 1: know what really went on there in Tennessee, because it

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Speaker 1: seemed very bizarre at the end of last year, Malarkey's

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Speaker 1: coming back. Now he's not coming back. There was and

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Speaker 1: then they fire him the next what the day or

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Speaker 1: two days after that. But you know, I think they

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Speaker 1: weren't expecting to get into the playoffs. They're prepared to

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Speaker 1: fire him. Now he makes the playoffs and they're like, oh, Jenius,

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Speaker 1: we can't fire him. We made the playoffs. Then they

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Speaker 1: win a playoff game, Oh, he's coming back next year,

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Speaker 1: and then they lose to the Patriots. Always fired, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I just I have to believe there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of conflicting viewpoints at the top of that organization,

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Speaker 1: and so what happens is, you know, the person that

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Speaker 1: wheels the most power up there ultimately gets their way.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we know that their GM Robinson does

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Speaker 1: have ties to the Patriots organization, so the recruiting of

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Speaker 1: Vrabel isn't a surprise. So you know, in the end,

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Speaker 1: you understand why that higher was made in terms of who,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of substance, you know, I think that's

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Speaker 1: where you may run into an issue. Although I will

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Speaker 1: say that Lafleur is a great hire for him as

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He needed somebody on that side of the

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Speaker 1: ball that he could just kind of give the keys to,

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Speaker 1: and Lafleur certainly proved himself capable of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: with what he did with McVay last year in LA.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. It's it's a big lift. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a heavy lift. You've got Jacksonville in that division.

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Speaker 1: Andrew luck looks at least right now like he's coming

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Speaker 1: back for Indianapolis, and you know Houston has Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: so Jacksonville is good already. So it's it's a competitive division.

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Speaker 1: It is top to bottom. I would say you probably

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Speaker 1: have I don't want to, you know, it's easy to

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Speaker 1: kind of wigh competitiveness and whatnot. I think the best

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Speaker 1: way to describe the AFC South is the separation from

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Speaker 1: the front to the back might be as minimal of

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Speaker 1: any division in football. The best team in the worst

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Speaker 1: team in the AFC South. There really isn't much of

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Speaker 1: a difference there, and a lot of them are. When

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Speaker 1: you think about it constructed. Similarly, you think about how

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Speaker 1: Houston built it on defense first and then got their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tennessee's got their quarterback, Indianapolis has their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to fix their defense. Jacksonville has a great defense.

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Speaker 1: Would probably prefer a better quarterback, but they have a

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Speaker 1: defense that can get them almost They almost got them

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl last year. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be one of the more interesting divisions to watch

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Speaker 1: over the course of the season. And those teams are

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Speaker 1: just gonna beat the tar out of each other. And

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if the division winner in that

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Speaker 1: group is nine and seven, because I just think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna pounding on each other all year, and Bills will

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Speaker 1: see them, all of them from the AFC South, including

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Speaker 1: the Titans here on Sunday, October seventh. All right, thank

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Speaker 1: you to Omar Ruiz for joining us on the Subway

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Speaker 1: Fresh Stake hotline. Hey, we want to involve you a

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Speaker 1: little bit in our conversation. Four days into training camp

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Speaker 1: and it's time to think about who might be the standout,

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Speaker 1: similar to the way Brandon Riley was a year ago

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. I want to know from you, who do

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Speaker 1: you predict will be the surprising standout during this year's

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Speaker 1: Bill's training camp, give us a call. We got lines

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Speaker 1: open eight O three five fifty or toll free from

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Speaker 1: outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: You can vote on our Twitter poll, but we'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear your voice on the Twitter poll right now.

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Speaker 1: Almost half of you forty six percent say Alabama undrafted

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Speaker 1: rookie free agent Robert Foster has a chance to be

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Speaker 1: the surprising standout. Thirty two percent say Trent Murphy, the

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Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent signed by the Bill, seven percent say

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Speaker 1: fourth round pick Terren Johnson, fifteen percent of somebody else

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Speaker 1: in mind. We're gonna read some of your tweets. We'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear your phone calls as well when we

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Speaker 1: return eight O three fifty and toll free one eight

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Speaker 1: eight eighty fifty two five fifty plus more of what

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Speaker 1: Chris and I have seen so far in camp and

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Speaker 1: what we need to see moving forward in the remaining

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Speaker 1: two and a half weeks. Come on back One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live from Orchard Park, One Bill's Drive. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: we'll be live at Bill's training camp. Chris and I'll

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Speaker 1: be back there. Chris will be doing his website thing.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker rejoins the show tomorrow, and for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the week, we anticipate and Chris and I talking

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Speaker 1: a lot about the first four days at training Camp.

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Speaker 1: The phone lines are open if you'd like to weigh

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Speaker 1: in on anything about camp, including our question of the day.

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Speaker 1: Who are you looking for to be the surprise standout

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Speaker 1: as this camp moves along, similar to the way Brandon

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Speaker 1: Riley exploded onto the scene last year in Training Camp,

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Speaker 1: give us a call eight oh three fifty toll free

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Call

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Speaker 1: here from Sean on the line. Sean, go ahead, you're

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Speaker 1: on the air of this. Yeah, how are you doing? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Because I think the surprise then that will be also

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Speaker 1: will be false to the widestool. We just got an Alabama.

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Speaker 1: But Sean, do me a favorite? Turned down into your

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Speaker 1: radio because it's it's distracting. I can't understand you, all right,

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Speaker 1: you so there, Sean. He ran to his radio. Give

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Speaker 1: you three more seconds, Sean. We lost him. I guess, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's gone off the line. I wanted to hear his point.

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Speaker 1: That's too bad. You can't keep the radio on Chris

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Speaker 1: sam Donald signs, um, I don't think he did any

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Speaker 1: damage to his chances this year or into the future

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Speaker 1: by missing what he did. It seems kind of pointless, really,

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Speaker 1: this the argument they're having about offset language. You know,

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Speaker 1: it seems like an agent's issue. And I'm salute the

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Speaker 1: fact that Buffalo's Josh Allen did not allow that sort

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Speaker 1: of disagreement interfere with his report to camp. And I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why Sam Donald, number three overall pick let

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Speaker 1: that interfere with his Yeah, and I think they're represented

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Speaker 1: by the same agency. So yeah, it's surprising how one

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Speaker 1: guy got into camp on time and the other did not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's it all gonna mean when it comes

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Speaker 1: out in the wash. It might not mean much of anything.

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Speaker 1: It certainly puts him a little behind in terms of

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Speaker 1: the competition they have going on there, which you know,

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Speaker 1: all indications say is a three man competition. Also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got a desperate guy and Teddy Bridgewater who wants

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Speaker 1: to prove that he can still be a viable starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. I mean, he's he's loaded for bear.

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Speaker 1: McCown already has a track record with the organization, and

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Speaker 1: they clearly feel comfortable with him running from under center.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Darnald clearly is the future, but Mike

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Speaker 1: the future get pushed back a little bit. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see how quickly he can reacclimate himself

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Speaker 1: to what's going on there, having missed what four days

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Speaker 1: of camp, So it's a it's not a huge amount

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Speaker 1: of round to make up, and there's no reason to

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Speaker 1: think he couldn't do it. But who knows what the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff thinks about him coming in four days late.

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Speaker 1: I guess they won't care as soon as he starts

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Speaker 1: threading needles and complete touchdown passes. I'm back to our

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll and our discussion topic of the day standout performers.

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Speaker 1: You had somebody who's on that list and we put

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Speaker 1: on Twitter that you see. I think you've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of We're talking about what we've seen so far,

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Speaker 1: and you like the fourth round pick, right, Terren Johnson, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the cornerback out of we We State. On Saturday, he

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Speaker 1: was rotated up to first team nickel corner. He's been

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Speaker 1: battling with Philip Gaines since the spring for the starting

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Speaker 1: nickel corner job. And the first couple of days it

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Speaker 1: was Philip Gaines as the first team nickel, and then

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Speaker 1: Saturday it flipped and Teren Johnson wasn't only the first

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Speaker 1: team nickel during team periods, he also took the second

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Speaker 1: team reps because in second team defense, Gaines moves outside

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Speaker 1: and plays boundary corner and Johnson stayed there for first

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Speaker 1: team nickel reps inside for first and second teams naps.

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Speaker 1: It's a clear indication to me that the coaching staff

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Speaker 1: is trying to get him as much work as they

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Speaker 1: can and to get a full evaluation of just what

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Speaker 1: he is capable of. And what's so interesting about this competition, Murph,

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Speaker 1: is the fact that Tarn Johnson and Philip Gaines are

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Speaker 1: two completely different corners in terms of skill sets. Tarn

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Speaker 1: Johnson is the classic compact corner, great change of direction, skills, agility, quick,

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Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. With respect to gains,

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Speaker 1: he is the more in vogue long limbed corner. You know,

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Speaker 1: they like having long players there with receivers getting taller

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Speaker 1: and taller. So he's a guy who certainly is great

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Speaker 1: at getting his hands in passing lanes. The one area

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Speaker 1: of Philip Gaines skill set that's missing is the long speed.

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Speaker 1: So if you've beaten Philip Gaines on a route, it's

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Speaker 1: not often that he's going to be able to make

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Speaker 1: up that. Yeah, he doesn't have that ketchup speed to

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Speaker 1: get back into the play and make a play on

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Speaker 1: the football. So I think they're taking a long look

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Speaker 1: at Terren Johnson for a reason. They want to see

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Speaker 1: if it's a job that he can handle. And I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Murf, if you look at last year's

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Speaker 1: rookie class and the contributions they made to Davious White,

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Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, those are probably the three biggest

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Speaker 1: names out of last year's draft class that helped on

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Speaker 1: the field in a pretty early fashion. I think your

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: odds on favorites to help you sooner rather than later

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Speaker 1: this year are Edmonds Phillips and potentially Tarren Johnson. I

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Speaker 1: want to see more, but I think he could be there,

1481
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: and the only other guy that could that could probably

1482
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: trump him would be Allen If he comes along fast enough,

1483
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: that would be big. If Allen did seven percent of

1484
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: you on our Twitter poll list, Taron Johnson is the

1485
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: guy who would be a surprising standout thirty two percent

1486
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: say Trent Murphy, and we got from the tweet sheet.

1487
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: Tiffany Daniels tweets this and watching Trent Murphy in person

1488
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: at camp on Friday, he looked impressive during one on

1489
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: one drills and strong at the point of attack. He

1490
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: looks to be a locked to start opposite and hughes

1491
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: this could be a big season for a defensive line.

1492
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 1: There's a lot there I agree with, and I agree

1493
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: that Trent Murphy has been really I don't know again

1494
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: surprises the issue here. He's been a standout, maybe one

1495
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: of the top three players so far I believe at

1496
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: training camp. And what I really like Chris is that

1497
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: he's taken his share of reps. You know, I thought

1498
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: going into it that they might alternate him days even

1499
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: like give him work up Thursday, give him Friday off.

1500
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: That's not the case. I went there yesterday thinking, well,

1501
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: Trent Murphy, maybe they give him this Sunday off because

1502
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: I saw Shack Lawson lineup of the ones when practice

1503
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: began the first team session yesterday, But no, Trent Murphy

1504
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: was there with the ones the next team session. So

1505
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: they don't appear to be going too easy on Trent Murphy,

1506
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: and he appears up to the task coming back from

1507
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: a pretty serious two ligaments torn in his left knee.

1508
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: I think the only area where we've seen it cut

1509
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: back just a little bit is going from that night

1510
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: practice to the day practice the next day, Day one

1511
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: and two. Yeah, So I think if there's a short

1512
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: proximity of time between practis, is you know, you have

1513
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: a night practice followed by a late morning or an

1514
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: early afternoon practice the next day, they may cut back

1515
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: on the wear and tear for him that day and

1516
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: monitor his snaps or at least limit them. And we

1517
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: did see that on day two of camp. But I

1518
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: talked to him and he said, no, I've I've really

1519
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: got no restrictions as far as I know. But I

1520
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: think that rep count might be the only way that

1521
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: they're curbing his workload in any way, shape or form,

1522
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: when you know they have some quick back to back.

1523
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: So you see that often when you know catchers in baseball,

1524
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's double headers or day games following

1525
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: a night game, sometimes the catcher will get the next

1526
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: day off. It's kind of the same thing right now

1527
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: with Trent Murphy. Defensive coordinator Leslie Fraser was asked yesterday

1528
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: at his morning news conference about Trent Murphy and Shack

1529
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: Lawson the rotation they have going on there at left

1530
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: defensive end, and asked how they put that together. Here's

1531
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: what Leslie Fraser had to say about Shack Lawson and

1532
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: Trent Murphy both running with ones at left defensive end.

1533
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: Shack was coming off an end the end of last season.

1534
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: We signed friend, who was one of our big free

1535
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: agent acquisitions, and you know, we're excited about watching him

1536
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 1: perform and seeing how he progresses. But the rotation is fluid.

1537
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, Friends our starter right now and he's doing

1538
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: a really good job for us. We're watching Shack. He's

1539
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: making progress, but we'll see how things go. You want

1540
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: to always put the best eleven out there, but at

1541
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: the time, for the time being, Trender's out number one

1542
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: at left end. You feel this is a major break

1543
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: year for Shack Lawson. I mean, Shack is so young

1544
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: to say that this will be a makeup break year

1545
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: and that would be hard to hard to do. I

1546
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: mean it's I think his best football is ahead of him.

1547
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: He just needs to stay health and keeping proving. He

1548
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: came in in great shape he's off to a great

1549
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: starting camp and much too young, too soon to say

1550
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: this is a makeup break year for Shack Lawson. In

1551
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: my mind, Leslie Frasier bill's defensive coordinator, and he makes

1552
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: a good point. I thought about that because Frasier said

1553
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: two things. Essentially, Trent Murphy's the starter, number one on

1554
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: the depth chart at left defensive end, but also said

1555
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: it's too soon to say make or break for Shack Lawson.

1556
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: And you get thinking, you know, maybe it's suspicious nature

1557
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: where you think, while are they trying to talk up

1558
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson and maybe somebody who'll give him something for

1559
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson. But if he doesn't start, if he's not

1560
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: with the one check Lawson I'm talking about, there still

1561
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: would be a role for him on this team. I

1562
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: play a lot. Yeah, I mean you saw how frequently

1563
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier rotates those defensive linemen. It was certainly in

1564
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: stark contrast to what the Rex Ryan staff did with

1565
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: their defensive lineman playing their starters eighty percent of the

1566
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: eighty to eighty five percent of the snaps in games.

1567
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: It was far less than that. It's very clear that

1568
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: Frasier and coach McDermott subscribe to a heavy rotation to

1569
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: keep guys as fresh as possible come the fourth quarter.

1570
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: And knowing as I said earlier, I believe that this

1571
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a defense that's going to need

1572
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: to hold this team in games the first month, month

1573
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: and a half of the season before the offense fully

1574
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: gains enough traction to produce points on a consistent basis.

1575
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: You know, up in the mid to upper twenties, it's

1576
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: going to take some time before they get there for

1577
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: a host of reasons. You know, I think you need

1578
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: a heavy rotation to get the best out of your defense.

1579
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: You need guys fresh come the fourth quarter, and you

1580
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: do that by rotating them. You know, with your starters

1581
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 1: maybe getting sixty to sixty five percent of the plays

1582
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: and the rotational guys getting the balance of that. So

1583
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: that means Shack Lawson, you know, in a day where

1584
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: there's maybe seventy snaps on defense, he's probably getting twenty

1585
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: five to thirty of them, you know, And seeing how

1586
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: they monitored Trent Murphy's workload in the spring, I don't

1587
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,799
Speaker 1: know that they need to come out of the gates.

1588
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: Given him sixty seventy reps A game. I think they'd

1589
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: much rather have him playing fifty to fifty five, you know,

1590
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: and given Shack the rest. So, I mean, trend is

1591
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: already ahead of schedule for him returning from No. He is,

1592
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: he is, And but I think we've seen a history

1593
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 1: of this organization. They take a conservative approach with injuries,

1594
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: and there's certainly some respect to be had for that.

1595
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: Zay Jones being the latest example. Um, you know, I

1596
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 1: mean he's out there after practice doing running some routes

1597
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: at fifty percent speed, jogging around, he's working hard on

1598
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: the bike, He's doing all kinds of conditioning work on

1599
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: the side. And you know, we heard Brandon being the

1600
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: first day of camp say he's itching to get out there.

1601
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: But you know, this athletic training staff, this medical staff,

1602
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: you know they're taking a conservative approach because what's Yes,

1603
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: he's missed a lot of time, but you're gonna rush

1604
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: him now so you don't have him in September. I mean,

1605
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: you know, you get it. You can't put the cart

1606
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 1: before the horse. Is there a surprise standout looming on

1607
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: the Bills roster as they move into the next week

1608
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: of training camp. Here's a call from John in Las Vegas. Hello, John, Welcome,

1609
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: you're on the air with us. Hey John, are you

1610
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: doing okay? Real good? John? Yeah, I love you show.

1611
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: I've been listening to you guys since hours. Kids. So John, John,

1612
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 1: we've been on the air for like four years, six years,

1613
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: so you just must still be a kid. Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, so,

1614
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: uh so listening, guys, I just wanted to listen. You know,

1615
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm really kind of upset about the team's while steeving corps.

1616
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you got and Riley last year, You've never

1617
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: even tried him out in a pretty abisimal receiving opportunity

1618
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: last year for a kid to actually make himself, and

1619
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: then you're going into the again, You're going into the

1620
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: season with really nobody out there. I mean, besides Calvin Benjamin,

1621
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: you got Curly, who's i mean mediocre at best in

1622
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: the wide receiving corps of the NFL. Well, who else

1623
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: are we gonna have to take cressure off of this

1624
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: kid so he can make a difference. I mean, you've

1625
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: got Josh Samon, one of the best, you know, one

1626
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 1: of the best, strongest throwers across the middle that probably

1627
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: out there, but again, you have no one to take

1628
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: the pressure off of any of these guys. Second, we

1629
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: have linebacking coorps that is so new, it's so young

1630
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: that we have Lorenzo Alex there, who's probably at best

1631
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: maybe middle middle of the road. On the outside, you

1632
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: got Tremaine Endands, who could be one of the best

1633
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: middle linebackers. But again, no, he has no never played snap,

1634
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: so you don't know where we're getting from him. It's

1635
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: just that we I just don't think we have enough,

1636
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: like in the long term future to sustaining getting out

1637
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: of getting it out of our own way. I mean,

1638
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just going to be another of the

1639
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: same thing over and over of us never trying to

1640
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: get better with the receiving corps. They tried to go

1641
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: out and get this Bryant and they don't. He doesn't

1642
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: want to come here. But you know, it's like, where

1643
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: are we going with this? Well, and let me let

1644
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: me just let me try to pin you down a

1645
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: little bit. If I made John never trying to get

1646
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: better at receiving. They paid a king's ransom a couple

1647
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: of years ago, different regime to bring in Sammy Watkins

1648
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: in the first round. That's trying pretty hard to get better.

1649
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: At receiving. I think this past year they used two

1650
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 1: draft picks late ones, but two draft picks on wide receivers.

1651
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: They trade thirteen. They did the same thing Robert Woods

1652
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: and Marquis good one in the second and third rounds.

1653
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: Last year. They traded for Calvin Benjamin in the middle

1654
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: of the season and traded for Jordan Matthews in the beginning,

1655
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: you know, in preseason. So to say that they never

1656
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: try to get better at wide receiver I think is

1657
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: not correct. But no, but John, I agree with that.

1658
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: But again, you know we're doing that one receiver out

1659
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: of time. We never have a receiving core to take

1660
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: pressure field received. Sammy Walking, Yeah, phenomenal player, Robert Woods,

1661
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 1: phenomenal play robin team anymore. If this is what the

1662
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: regime does, they build it up. They build it up,

1663
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: and then as soon as we get an opensive coordinator

1664
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: and if they, oh, okay, too much down, we can

1665
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: let this regime is only in a second. Yeah, it's

1666
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: because if regime change. So when the regime changes, very

1667
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: often the roster is going to change too, and so

1668
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: people are going to be seen as well. You know,

1669
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: we don't see him the same way the previous regime did.

1670
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna get our own guys. And you know, an

1671
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: example of that is the Kelvin Benjamin acquisition. I mean,

1672
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: that's a guy that Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott were

1673
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: wholly familiar with, having spent time with them down in Carolina.

1674
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: They pull the trigger and they make the trade. You know,

1675
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: you can even go as low on the rungs as

1676
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: Kalin play, you know, a return man that they're familiar with.

1677
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: That's just the way it works in the NFL. People

1678
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: feel comfortable acquiring players they have a firm working knowledge of,

1679
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: not only in terms of their talent, but in terms

1680
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: of how they work each and every day in the building,

1681
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: whether it's week one, week seven, or week sixteen, whether

1682
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: they're in or out of the playoff picture, They're gonna

1683
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: get the same thing from that guy every day. And

1684
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: so that's the way Coach McDermot and Brandon Bean are

1685
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: going to operate, and they're only going to bring in

1686
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 1: players that follow that model. Where it goes from here,

1687
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't address everything in one off season.

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Speaker 1: You think about what was on the bills to do

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: list this offseason, it was pretty long. I mean they

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01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: had a lot to figure out. Franchise quarterback at the

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Speaker 1: top of the list, defensive line, help line, help, defensive

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01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: help middle linebacker, and look, if you want to argue

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Speaker 1: that the Bills need receivers, I listened to that argument.

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01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: I would agree that argument. But to say that they

1695
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: haven't tried to get better at receiver for a couple

1696
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: of years now, I think I think that's wrong. Here's

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Speaker 1: Trent calling from Rochester. Trent, welcome, you're on the air

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Speaker 1: with this. Thanks guys, and just to you know, go

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01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: against what the other caller said. We've got a lot

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01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: of players on that team that can really turn into

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01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: some really good players for the Bills this year. I

1702
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: can start with Rod Streeter. Of course, we know he

1703
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: got hurt last year. We didn't get a chance to

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01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: see what he was doing, but he was really aggressive

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: in camp. His mentality seems to be the same this year,

1706
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to him and a couple other

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01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: guys Logan Thomas, I think he's gonna step up. Gables

1708
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: mismatches six six guys against the five ten. You know,

1709
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 1: Nickel Corner. You know where I'm going with this. But

1710
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: either way, there's a lot of mismatches there. Curly can

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01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: offer some things. There's some guys there and then there's

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01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: some young guys that they drafted. But my guy is

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01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Robert Foster. Guys, I don't know how he doesn't get drafted,

1714
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: but I like the fact that the chip is as

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01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: shoes is the size of Montana and he's talented enough

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01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: to make some noise. So there's some intriguing guys there.

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01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm not psyched. I don't know what they're gonna do,

1718
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: but I know it's exciting to see based on system,

1719
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: coach and everything else with it, their potential can be

1720
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: and it's better than the national person came right now,

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01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: Thanks Trent. I'm excited about Rod Streeter too. I thought

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01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: he had some good moments in a couple of workouts,

1723
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: including yesterday Chris and he caught a really good pass

1724
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: and he was downfield and they got the ball knocked

1725
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: out yesterday and I was like, oh, come on, good.

1726
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: I think Streeter based on his performance last season, and

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01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: he seems to have picked up right where he left

1728
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: off through four practices this summer. I think he might

1729
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: have something to say about who lines up in police receiver.

1730
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: Made a couple of plays on Saturday too, and down

1731
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: the sideline. You know, we're looking the team is looking

1732
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: for players that can stretch the field to compliment Calvin

1733
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: Benjamin and loosing things up for him. And you do

1734
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: that by taking a cornerback up the field and away

1735
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: from the intermediate areas and the you know, short to

1736
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: intermediate sideline areas where Calvin Benjamin likes to do his work.

1737
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: And you do that by putting a guy out there

1738
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: that's got deep speed that has to be respected. And

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01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: Foster certainly has that. But I think Rod Streeter is

1740
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: an underestimated wide receiver in terms of stretching the field.

1741
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily have quite this be the Robert Foster does.

1742
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: But there are times where you're saying, man, he's behind

1743
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: that corner again. Yeah, you know what else about Streeter?

1744
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: And I found myself twice yesterday going to my little

1745
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: roster card to check his size. He plays bigger than

1746
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: he's listening on paper. He's listened to six three two hundred,

1747
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: but he I don't know if he has great leaping

1748
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: ability or what, but he plays big. I think big

1749
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of that. He's kind of that wiry, strong remember

1750
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: those kids on the playground and they might have you know,

1751
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: you're like ten or twelve years old. The kid might

1752
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: be eighty pounds, so can wet and he's he's like

1753
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: a string bean, but he's got like this you can't

1754
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: explain it. There's like this really weird, like wiry strength

1755
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: to the guy. And you're like, there's no muscle tone.

1756
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Here's this guy strong and Streeter is built that way.

1757
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,919
Speaker 1: He's like that really narrow. I mean he's narrow framed,

1758
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: narrow limbs, not a lot of muscle tone. But he's big. Yeah,

1759
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: he can, he does. He does a break. We're back

1760
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: with more. Let's hear from you. We got lines open

1761
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: as we talk about training camp and which who which

1762
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: players might be the surprise standouts this year a training camp.

1763
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Give us a call. One Bill's Live presented by Kalada

1764
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Hell from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1765
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: Welcome back One Bills Live from One Goes Drive, John

1766
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: Murphy and Chris Brown. Steve Tasker off today. He'll be

1767
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: back tomorrow coming up at the top of the hour.

1768
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: South Palatonio, long time reporter for ESPN. He's written a book.

1769
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: His book is called Billy Special about the Eagles in

1770
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl run. We'll talk with him about that

1771
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: coming up in the next hour. In the meantime, your

1772
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: phone calls as we talk about the Bills day off

1773
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: from training camp today. Maybe you want an update on

1774
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: how things are going, Chris, and I've been there virtually

1775
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: every practice. Andy on the line from Rochester. Hello, Andy, Welcome,

1776
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: you're on the air with us. How you do Okay?

1777
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: I got a quick question for I haven't heard nothing

1778
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: about the offensive line. Who's going to replace Eric wood

1779
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: in Cagnino? That's gonna be key, I think, no matter

1780
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: who the quarterback is. Yeah, that's a good question for

1781
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: let's start with Incognito. For incognito, it appears that they're

1782
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: going with vled Dukas with the first teamers, and John

1783
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Miller is back in the lineup at right guard for

1784
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: the center position. I find it interesting, Chris that Ryan

1785
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,919
Speaker 1: Groy is essentially splitting reps on a pretty even rotation

1786
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: with Bodine. What do you think? What do you think

1787
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: of the center position? I personally like Roy just because

1788
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: he's got superior size to that of Bodin. Bodine's a

1789
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: little bit slighter framed. Groy is you know, he's fifteen

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01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: pounds heavier than Eric Wood was. I mean he's six

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01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: five three twenty five. I mean that's a big center.

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01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not forget you know, two years ago

1793
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: they were using him, you know, as an extra backup

1794
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 1: tackle because he has that length so at the center position.

1795
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 1: I kind of like it, and I thought he he

1796
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: proved himself capable in the seven starts that he had

1797
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen after Wood went out with the broken leg.

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01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: That's not to you know, Dog Bodine at all. We

1799
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: certainly know a lot less about him other than you know,

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01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: he's had sixty four starts in his four year career

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01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: and never missed a game. I don't think he's played

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01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: poorly out there. I think he's certainly played up to

1803
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: what expectations have been in the practice setting, you know.

1804
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: As far as offensive line play overall, I started to

1805
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: see a few more increases in the run game on Saturday.

1806
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: I think it improved a little bit more on Sunday

1807
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: from what you saw Merth probably. I think the run

1808
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: game yesterday, I think the run game is going to

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01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: get some more traction before the pass protection does. I

1810
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: think the old line may on the surface look like

1811
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: it's struggling in pass protection. But I think that might

1812
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: be a byproduct also of these quarterbacks still trying to

1813
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: feel out how these plays are going to unfold, particularly

1814
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: in the passing game, and it might be a half

1815
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: second longer of recognition and then the rush is that

1816
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: much closer and you're saying, Wow, they can't protect anybody.

1817
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: And not to completely blame the quarterbacks, but I think

1818
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: as they're learning this offense and getting a feel for

1819
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the routes and the concepts, and for some of these

1820
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: receivers to whom they only began throwing to, you know,

1821
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: in May, you know, the pass protection may not look good,

1822
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: but it might not just be how the offensive linemen

1823
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: are holding up. It might also be the quarterbacks maybe

1824
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: taking a half second longer to recognize things as they

1825
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: begin to learn this offense very early in camp. We

1826
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: said that a lot. Today. Coming up South Palatonio from

1827
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: ESPN talk about his book about the Eagles. We'll talk

1828
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: about what's going on around the league, including his thoughts

1829
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: on the Buffalo Bills. Come on back. It is One

1830
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Bill's Line presented by Kalada Health. We're coming in from

1831
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio Balo

1832
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio network Sports update. The update from one Bill's Drive.

1833
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: It's a day off for Bill's players in the twenty

1834
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: eighteen training camp. Four days on the field of Saint

1835
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: John Fisher. Those players are off today, back tomorrow for

1836
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: another more workout eight forty five. That workout closed to

1837
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: the public. Deals with two open workouts in Rochester this

1838
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: week Wednesday and Thursday morning. Then on Friday the return

1839
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: of the Red and the Blue to newer field of

1840
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: nighttime practice here in Orchard Park that is ticketed. All

1841
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: the information about practice schedules and how you get tickets

1842
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: available on our website Buffalo Bills dot com. Yesterday, the

1843
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Bills and Outsaye signed another defensive end, Ryan Russell, originally

1844
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 1: a fifth round traffick of the Dallas Cowboys in two

1845
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: fifteen one season there then went to the Tampa Bay

1846
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: practice squad. Last year on Tampa Bay after being promoted

1847
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: to the fifty three million roster the year before, he

1848
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: saw action on both defense and special teams, and Russell

1849
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: started six games for Tampa Bay. Twenty six year old

1850
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: of product of produced sixty three two hundred seventy three

1851
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: pounder Ryan Russell signed to a contract by the Bills yesterday.

1852
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold has agreed to terms on a contract with

1853
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. Ian Rappaport of NFL Network says

1854
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: it's a four year, thirty point two five million dollar

1855
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contract. As with all first round contacts, it's

1856
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: a four year deal, fifth year option. Donold had stay

1857
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: away from Jets training camp for the first few days

1858
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 1: as they argued over in the language in the contract

1859
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 1: centering around forfeitures of guaranteed money. He is set the

1860
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: battle Josh McCown and Teddy Bridgewater in the Jets camp

1861
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: to become New York starting quarterback. Third overall pick Andrew

1862
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: Luck looked like his old self at Colts practice last night.

1863
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: According to reports. His practice performance was solid number of

1864
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: pinpoint deep tosses, several to t Y Hilton, one of

1865
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: his all time favorite targets is Andrew Luck. Comes back

1866
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: from a pretty serious arm injury that kept him out

1867
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: all of last year. Carson Wentz impressive in his rehab.

1868
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,799
Speaker 1: According to the Philadelphia Eagles, eleven on eleven drills Friday

1869
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: and Saturday for Carson Wentz of Philadelphia that's the update

1870
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive, John Murphy and Chris Brown. Chris

1871
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: is in for Steve Tasker, speaking of the Eagles joining

1872
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: us on the subway fresh Day. Kline good friend of

1873
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: the show, known him for several years. He's written a

1874
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: book called Philly Special. Happy to have a ESPN's national correspondent,

1875
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: salth Palantoni on the line with the sound John Murphy

1876
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: and Chris Brown here in Buffalo. Thanks very much for

1877
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: joining us. We appreciate it. Oh hey, Murph, I'm happy

1878
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 1: to join your show. Absolutely. How are you guys doing today?

1879
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: We're doing okay, day off from the Bills at training camp,

1880
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: so we're back here in Orchard Park. I want to

1881
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: ask you about your book, Philly Special. Did you know

1882
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 1: going into last year that that was a team that

1883
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: might warrant a book about their season? The Philadelphia Eagles.

1884
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I did not. I really didn't really have

1885
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: an idea that the team could be special quote unquote

1886
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: until they went on that nine game winning streak, and

1887
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 1: then of course Carson Wentz got hurt in Los Angeles

1888
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: and they said, well, you know, history making teams, and

1889
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: then of course Nick Foles shocked the world and brought

1890
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: him a super Bowl title. It's a fascinating It was

1891
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: a it was a fascinating ride. It still is in

1892
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: many fascinating. Right, this is a this is one more

1893
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: in streak. Here is it a week by week kind

1894
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: of chronicle? Here? Sale, why don't you just kind of

1895
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: lay out how the book plays out for everybody? Yeah?

1896
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Speaker 1: You know, I really wanted to write this book from

1897
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Speaker 1: my family and my friends. It's it's not for me.

1898
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,919
Speaker 1: This is a I covered the team for quarter century,

1899
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: and anytime you do something for twenty five years, a

1900
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 1: lot of people along the way to have to make

1901
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:28,759
Speaker 1: sacrifices for you and support you. And I really wanted

1902
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: to give an insider's account. I was embedded with the

1903
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: team the entire year. Was the only reporter allowed in

1904
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: the team hotel at the Super Bowl, and you know

1905
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: how hard that can be, and so I had insiders

1906
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: access with players and coaches in the front office. I

1907
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 1: was really able to tell the story a week to week,

1908
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: the ups and downs, the major injuries, the drama, and

1909
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: the glory, if you will. This very interesting team and

1910
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 1: the story team, the first team ever to win a

1911
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl title in Philadelphia history, and the team and

1912
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the town has been waiting for, you know, since Dwight

1913
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: Eisenhauer was president, to win an NFL title, so has

1914
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: been very well received. So how much of the Eagles

1915
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: story last year centers on Doug Peterson? Going into last year?

1916
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people had some regard for him

1917
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Speaker 1: as a head coach, but now he is regarded as

1918
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Speaker 1: one of the best, one of the most innovated, one

1919
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Speaker 1: of the most you know, one of the bright lights

1920
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Speaker 1: of the NHL coaching fraternity. Who is Doug Peterson and

1921
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: what did you learn about him based on your access

1922
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Speaker 1: to the Eagles last season? Well, like I said, I've

1923
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: been covering the league for a long time, and before

1924
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Speaker 1: my incarnation as a sportswriter, I've covered three presidential campaigns

1925
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Inquirer at Night writterducepaper person, I would

1926
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Speaker 1: have to say that had Doug Peterson is the best

1927
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Speaker 1: guy I've ever covered. He's got great emotional intelligence, great adaptability.

1928
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Speaker 1: Well to listen. You know, there's an old adage in leadership,

1929
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: show how much you care before you tell people how

1930
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: much you know, and and in many ways, in fact,

1931
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Speaker 1: I remember hearing Marv Leeby say that in many ways

1932
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: he's not, unlike Marve leeby tough, innovative, smart, understands people,

1933
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Speaker 1: knows how to manage players based on who they are,

1934
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: not on who he is. And that, to me is

1935
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Speaker 1: the hallmark of a great coach. I mean we I

1936
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: mean everybody's seen it by now, sal But even Nick

1937
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: Fole's coming to the sideline before that famous play in

1938
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I mean he makes the suggestion to Doug.

1939
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of I'm picturing this now as you're

1940
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: telling me how much he's willing to listen. I mean,

1941
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: it's barely out of Nick Fole's mouth and he said,

1942
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: let's do it. Um. Yeah. And NFL head coaches are

1943
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: known as control freaks. That just really flies in the

1944
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: face of that perception and control freaks and conservative. Now,

1945
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson went for it on fourth down last year,

1946
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Speaker 1: third most in the league. He had the second highest

1947
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: fourth down percentage, and in the playoffs he was four

1948
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: for four, including two for two in the Super Bowl

1949
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: on fourth down. So what does that tell you? That

1950
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Speaker 1: tells you, hey, supremely prepared, be not a way to

1951
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Speaker 1: fail Around the line of South Palantonio, ESPN national correspondent

1952
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Speaker 1: and the author of a new book, Philly Special, the

1953
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Speaker 1: inside story of how the Eagles won their first Super

1954
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Bowl championship. Two other coaches from that staff I want

1955
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: to ask you about sal One of them is our

1956
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: buddy Frank Raik Now with Indie. How much of a

1957
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: role did Frank play with their success last year, especially

1958
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 1: given how much of an offensive guru Doug Peterson is,

1959
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 1: He was integral without a doubt. Frank Wright figures very

1960
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: prominently in the book. There's a great, great story that

1961
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: Frank Wright told me on the record in the book

1962
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: about how the night before the Super Bowl, Saturday night,

1963
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 1: US Banks Stadium, the team is about to go practice

1964
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: in their final walkthrough for Super Bowl fifty two. It's

1965
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: the morning of Frank Wright has a meeting with Doug

1966
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: Peterson and Peterson says to him, I want you to

1967
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 1: fake it today, And rich says, what do you mean

1968
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: fake it? He goes, I don't want you to run

1969
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: any of the plays that we're going to run in

1970
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: the game. They were afraid that the Patriots were spying

1971
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: on them at US Banks Stadium. Wow. Wow, And I'll

1972
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: tell you there's I'm just giving you a little bit

1973
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: of a snippets all. There's like two pages on just

1974
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: that story of what happened and what happened once they

1975
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: got to the stage. It is fascinating what happened, but

1976
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: they got to the stadium. Really, it's me. The other

1977
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: coach is the other coach I want to ask you

1978
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: about is a guy who spent a successful season here.

1979
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: Their defensive coordinator, Jim Schwartz, still there in Philadelphia. I

1980
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: would imagine he took a lot of the workload off Peterson. Right,

1981
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: you can just let Jim Schwartz run his defense. You

1982
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it too much. Right. Well, yeah,

1983
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: and you know the key, as we found out against

1984
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: Brady's and all those teams have found out that their

1985
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: detriment is you gotta have a fourth quarter pass room.

1986
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: You gotta get to Brady in the fourth quarter. Atlanta

1987
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. The Carolina Panthers in that Super Bowl

1988
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, the Rams couldn't do it, the Eagles

1989
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: couldn't do it in two thousand and four. If you

1990
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: can't get to Brady in the fourth quarter, that's when

1991
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: he is the strongest and he is the smartest because

1992
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: the adjustments that he and Bilichick have made in at

1993
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: the halftime, so Peterson, Schwartz, they all knew that. In fact,

1994
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: Dick Vermil, Dick Vermil called Peterson Friday night, this is

1995
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 1: in the book and talk to him about the mystique

1996
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 1: of the Patriots in the fourth quarter and how it

1997
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: was so important to make sure you remain aggressive in

1998
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter because Belichick always finds a way to

1999
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: come back. But you're talking about aggressive. And I think

2000
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: as impressed as everybody was with the performance that they

2001
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: had in the Super Bowl, I might have been more

2002
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 1: impressed with what they did against that Minnesota defense in

2003
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: the Conference championship game. I mean, dismantled the best defense

2004
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: in football pretty much wired to wire last year from

2005
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: Week one to Week seventeen of the regular season. Is

2006
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: there anything that you can kind of give us a

2007
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: sneak peek on that might be in the book about,

2008
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, what went into that game plan and why

2009
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: proved so effective. I mean, they dismantled the number one

2010
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: defense in football. They did, and they did it with

2011
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: run pass options, which they began to really perfect in

2012
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 1: the second half against Atlanta in the Divisional round and Minnesota.

2013
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: There of Inniappois. I mean, I'm sorry. The Minnesota Vikings

2014
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: were just not ready for it at all. It's so funny.

2015
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: I have a story in the book. After the game,

2016
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 1: Nick Foles left the locker room, the Eagles locker room

2017
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 1: and Lincoln Financial Field after winning the NFC Championship game,

2018
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 1: left by himself, and I followed him because I'm like,

2019
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 1: all right, not for nothing, that guy just from the

2020
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. Where's he going? I got to follow

2021
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: this guy. This is a story. So I follow him

2022
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 1: and we work our way through the crowd, family and

2023
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: friends in the battles of the stadium, and he's going

2024
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: to look for one of his closest friends, Case of

2025
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: the Vikings, and I'm standing there with my phone, no

2026
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 1: other cameras, me and Folds and Case Keenum and I

2027
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: have it on my phone and I put it on Instagram,

2028
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: and I wound up writing in length about it in

2029
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: the book. What Keenom said about how Foles carved up

2030
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: the Vikings defense fascinating stuff. The book is Philly Special,

2031
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 1: The inside Story the Eagles Super Bowl victory last year,

2032
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: written by South Palatonio, ESPN national correspondent. Of course, the

2033
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: Eagles remained intriguing this year, said, especially with Carson Wentz

2034
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: trying to come back. He got eleven on eleven work

2035
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: in over the weekend. They held him out yesterday. What's

2036
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: your guest, do you think opening day he'll be ready

2037
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: to go for the Eagles when they opened the regular season?

2038
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, Murph, I'm loath to speculate, and I'll tell

2039
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:55,719
Speaker 1: you why. These two young men, Nick Foles and Carson

2040
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: Wentz and their head coach, I've been on the up

2041
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: and up is the beginning and they're very close. There's

2042
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: been no egos involved. This is their careers and I

2043
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 1: am very close to the team. I'm still embedded with them.

2044
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 1: And the coin of the realm is you know what

2045
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 1: I report, and I want to make sure I get

2046
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: it right. Son, I'm not gonna speculate, but I'll tell

2047
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 1: you this. The bottom line is Carson Wentz has made

2048
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: accelerated progress. And I use that phrase very specifically. This

2049
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: guy shredded two ligaments on December ten, LCL and ACL,

2050
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: so we're about seven and a half, almost eight months in.

2051
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: That's not really optimum time to rehab two ligaments back

2052
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 1: in one knee. So he's way, way, way ahead of schedule,

2053
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: and they're following a protocol of program, and what I'm

2054
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: hearing is that they will just continue to make day

2055
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: to day progress. They will examine the knee. He was

2056
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: in full pats. Imagine that full pads on Saturday. So

2057
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: anytime he's in full pads and they have a day

2058
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: off following a practice, they will have that practice where

2059
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 1: he is off. So Saturday he worked in full pads,

2060
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: Sunday off to day off, giving him back to back

2061
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: days off, and that's the way they're going to handle it.

2062
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: And so far, what I've heard has been no excessive

2063
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 1: swelling of any kind while he's been working out. He's

2064
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 1: done well eleven on eleven first team reps and now

2065
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 1: practice and pats remarkable. So we know, you know how

2066
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: Carson kind of came through as a highly tauted draft

2067
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 1: pick and you know, eventually becomes the starting quarterback. Obviously,

2068
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 1: the Bills have, you know, a highly drafted kid and

2069
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: Josh Allen here. Now he's part of a three man

2070
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: quarterback competition. I think the situation was a little bit

2071
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: different in Philadelphia a few years ago. But with that,

2072
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 1: with the handling of Wentz by that coaching staff with

2073
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: respect to competition and when to ascend him into the

2074
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 1: starting role. What did you like best about the way

2075
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: they handled it, knowing there's different strokes for different folks. Right,

2076
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: So Peterson in his first year drafts Carson Wentz, he

2077
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: inherits Sam Bradford, Right, Bradford gets angry and goes a wall.

2078
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, yeah, And so I saw Peterson outside

2079
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: of his office and I reported this on Sports Center.

2080
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: So it's not out of school, and he was not

2081
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: he was not happy with Bradford. Bradford was wasn't around

2082
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,439
Speaker 1: in the off season program, and that got Bradford off

2083
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: on the wrong foot. Bradford came in and played okay

2084
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 1: in the preseas in the training camp, and then Carson

2085
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 1: Wentz got hurt, and then Bridgewater got hurt in Minnesota,

2086
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: and so they traded Brett for a first and a

2087
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 1: fourth round pick and elevated Carson Wentz, who had not

2088
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 1: taken a snap in four weeks, and gave him the

2089
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: starting job and said here's the keys to the kingdom.

2090
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 1: In eight days, you're the future of the franchise. And

2091
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: that was a whow. So those circumstances were very very unusual.

2092
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: So I anticipate that Sean McDermott, we'll look at Josh

2093
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: Allen and say, hey, he's the future of the franchise.

2094
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: But he'll also I ain't know Sean really well, he's

2095
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: not gonna sit around and sit on Josh Allen and

2096
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: say you know this, Sean McDermott, I think it is

2097
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 1: gonna make the move as soon as he thinks Josh

2098
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 1: Allen and handle a load. And I think it's gonna

2099
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 1: be sooner rather than later. He saw the book comes

2100
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: out what Wednesday this week? Special book? Yeah, well you

2101
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 1: can you order it now? Uh. The official launch state

2102
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 1: is August twelfth, and anybody coming to Canton, Ohio or

2103
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 1: in Shrinman weekend, the book will be in the bookstore

2104
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 1: at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I will be

2105
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: there signing it Thursday, Friday and Saturday this week. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know there aren't plenty of Buffalo folks will head

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Speaker 1: down to Canton this week. Soum Thanks for spending a

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Speaker 1: few minutes with us here today. I hope to see

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Speaker 1: you soon. You're coming up to look at the bills

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Speaker 1: at all in training camp. Oh I wish I was

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Speaker 1: because I loved Saint John Fisher College. But they got

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Speaker 1: this ice cream arie in a barn there. What's to

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Speaker 1: day of that place? My god, I worked there a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I think I had breakfast, lunch,

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Speaker 1: and dinner there. Okay, yeah, that's dangerous. Everybody loves its

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Speaker 1: great play, great place. Graduate. It's done about thanks. Al

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Speaker 1: sal Palatonio, ESPN National correspondent, hosts of the ESPN's NFL Matchup,

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Speaker 1: and the author of the book Philly Special, of the

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Speaker 1: inside story of how the Philadelphia Eagles won their first

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship. As he said, you can pre order

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Speaker 1: on Amazon dot Com right now. It's published by Triumph Books.

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Speaker 1: So I was going to be down at the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame later this week for books signings Thursday and

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Speaker 1: Friday in the bookstore at the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of good stories, including the story.

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Speaker 1: And at first I was shocked there, and then I thought,

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Speaker 1: of course you would do that. The Eagles go to

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Speaker 1: practice at us Banks Stadioto to day before the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and say, let's not run anything that we plan

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Speaker 1: on running tomorrow. That's kind of what the Patriots will

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01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 1: do to you, right, Seriously, it's paranoia. It's paranoia. It

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Speaker 1: runs rampant yep, even for a coach like Doug Peterson,

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Speaker 1: who is as different and as far from the norm

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen as NFL coaches go or at

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Speaker 1: least the perception that they are painfully conservative by nature,

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Speaker 1: not risk takers. And you know, he was everything but

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Speaker 1: in his approach to play calling. But when it comes

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Speaker 1: to intel and we're worrying about the opponent and what

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01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: they're looking for, I can't blame them. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: where you know the thing first surface, I believe, right,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it the Rams, the Patriots Rams? Or was it

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Speaker 1: the Which Super Bowl? Was it where stuff came out

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01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: and they're worried about remembers spying on them? It was

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Speaker 1: oh five, I want to say, maybe, yeah, Um, the

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Speaker 1: Eagles are are an interesting team. I'll give you that.

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Speaker 1: But and and I give them credit for obviously they

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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. They they overcame the loss of

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Speaker 1: their starting quarterback. But I do think and it might

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Speaker 1: be just be because they're they're based in the East,

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Speaker 1: there's kind of I'm not talking about Sal's book in particular,

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01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 1: but I think they get a little bit too much credit.

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Speaker 1: I don't, for instance, I don't think Eagles are going

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Speaker 1: to repeat this year. I really don't. They may not, um,

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Speaker 1: they may not be able to get out of the

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Speaker 1: NFC East. But it was salsum detailed account of what

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Speaker 1: went on last year. I think it's part of the now.

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01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: It's like a library of books and takes and and

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01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 1: feeling about the look. They won the Super Bowl. But

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson has gone from this guy might be a

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Speaker 1: good coach to oh, this guy's a botified genius. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's really the case with Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I think a lot of times this

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Speaker 1: is what happens in football. A lot of times coaches

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Speaker 1: that are very successful and kind of come out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere to be successful are anointed as geniuses when the

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Speaker 1: truth of the matter is they're just ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 1: I think Buddy Ryan and what he designed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was called a defensive genius, and he was very

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Speaker 1: successful after the eighty five Bears too. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of great defensive seasons with the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: But we see how cyclical the NFL is in terms

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01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 1: of what succeeds scheme wise, he goes from offense to defense,

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Speaker 1: it flips back to offense. You know, the RPO thing

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Speaker 1: was something they perfected better than anybody else, and they

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Speaker 1: executed they executed it better than anybody else. And because

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Speaker 1: of that, they could stay aggressive when maybe other teams

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Speaker 1: might get a little conservative, and it benefited them. And

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Speaker 1: very often we see teams in the playoffs get on

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Speaker 1: a role and all of a sudden, it's like a

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Speaker 1: giant bowlder going downhill. Nobody can stop this team. But

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Speaker 1: the next year, twenty five to thirty percent of your

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Speaker 1: roster turns over and it's a different mix. It's like

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Speaker 1: coach McDermott says all the time, every year is a

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Speaker 1: different year, and it really is. You hope you improve

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Speaker 1: from the previous year, but they're no guarantees that that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen because everybody else is trying to do

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, I'll be curious about the Eagles season,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't wish any ill will. There's

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Speaker 1: some good people down there, But I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they're a super team. I don't know that they're a

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Speaker 1: dynasty in the making, as many people have said. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Doug Peterson belongs among the top

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Speaker 1: three to five coaches in the league just based on

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Speaker 1: one year. I don't know about that. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: see a little bit more from him. I think what

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Speaker 1: the car the success, the early success of Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: was crucial in this, not just because he plays quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but because he's still on his rookie contract and he's

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Speaker 1: your starting quarterback. What that affords you not you're paying

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Speaker 1: the most important position on the field a relative pittance

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Speaker 1: by positional standards, and that allows you to spend that

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Speaker 1: money in so many other places to help your football team.

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01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 1: They did it at the wide receiver position, mostly on

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Speaker 1: one year deals, alshon Jeffrey, a couple other players on

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Speaker 1: the offense, and you can spend money elsewhere big time,

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Speaker 1: whether it's free agents or otherwise. And then because you're

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Speaker 1: not paying a king's ransom to keep your franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Now those chickens will come home to roost in a

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Speaker 1: year or two for the Eagles where they are going

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Speaker 1: to have to pay Carson Wentz big money and back

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01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: up the brinkstruck. But I think there's a model there

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Speaker 1: that if you can get the right quarterback drafted and

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Speaker 1: he's successful for you early. You can buy yourself two

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Speaker 1: or three years where you can spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: money at the other critical positions that you deem necessary

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Speaker 1: to address to turn yourself into a super Bowl caliber.

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Speaker 1: Rams are doing it right now. Rams are doing it

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Speaker 1: right now. Hey, Eagles players, defensive players in particular, met

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Speaker 1: with NFL officials over the weekend and came away confused

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Speaker 1: about the new helmet rule. Bills players. By the way, Bills,

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Speaker 1: what Thursday? I think NFL officials coming to Bill's camp

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Speaker 1: this week? Yes, I believe so we'll be curious see

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Speaker 1: how that goes. We'll talk about the new helmet rule

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Chris and I plus NFL true and

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Speaker 1: false when we return, Come on back. It's One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, One Bill Flive from One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. Gener if he Chris Brown in today, for um,

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Speaker 1: what's his name? Steve Tasker? He's here so rarely almost

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01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 1: forget who's the guy? Tomorrow? Hey, we did can get

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Speaker 1: a chance to ask sal about this as he remains

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Speaker 1: embedded with the Philadelphia Eagles, but NFL referees make their

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Speaker 1: way around camps. They apparently spent some time this weekend

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Speaker 1: in the Eagles camp, and apparently, according to former Bill

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Speaker 1: now Eagles linebacker Nigel Bradham, the discussion got to the

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Speaker 1: new NFL helmet rule Chris and Bradham's quote was, we're

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Speaker 1: trying to ask questions and get a better understanding, and

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Speaker 1: yet they couldn't really give us an answer. This is

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Speaker 1: the rule that a player will be penalized fifteen yards

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Speaker 1: or and potentially find or rejected for lowering his head

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Speaker 1: to initiate and make contract with his helmet against an opponent. Bradham.

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Speaker 1: They said they were showing clips, some of which he

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Speaker 1: thought were routine tackles. They were looking for clarification. They

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01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 1: got less. As we said, the NFL officials will be

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Speaker 1: in Bill's camp later this week Wednesday and Thursday. I

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Speaker 1: believe at Saint John Fisher, this is bad news if

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01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 1: there's if there's not clarity on what constitutes an illegal

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Speaker 1: hit under the new rule. Right, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a rule that just went in. I understand it. Trying

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Speaker 1: to make it safe for it's a point of emphasis.

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Speaker 1: This year, they put out a video we saw it.

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Speaker 1: You saw it a couple of months ago. I think

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01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 1: around the time of the owners meetings showing what the

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01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 1: illegal hits would be. But if players don't get it,

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Speaker 1: you know, we could be in for trouble. Especially I

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Speaker 1: would think in preseason here, Chris, they try to, you know,

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Speaker 1: make that point. I understand the intent. I just don't

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Speaker 1: know how you effectively implement this where you know it

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01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 1: can uniformly be done where players can adjust to it.

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Speaker 1: Because one of the first things defensive players are taught

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Speaker 1: is low man wins when it comes to tackling. So

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01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do if you've got to get low.

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01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: You can't drop your helmet now, so what you can do,

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01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 1: like sit in a chair and tackle a guy, You're

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01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna get a run over. So I just don't know how,

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Speaker 1: you know, we get to a place where these players

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Speaker 1: are going to be able to adjust and do it effectively.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling the Week three, Week four, this is

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Speaker 1: going to be subject number one in the regular season

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01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 1: because guys are gonna be getting fined, They're gonna be

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01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: getting ticked off, people are gonna get thrown out of games.

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Speaker 1: And I almost feel worse for the officials because they're

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Speaker 1: going to become the targets of this rule no pun intended.

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Speaker 1: And because it's it's a judgment call, and anytime you

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01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 1: have a judgment call involving humans, there's gonna be error, yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the players and by the officials who are going

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01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 1: to be trying to police it. I just think, as

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Speaker 1: much as I respect the intent of trying to promote

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01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 1: player safety, I just don't know how this gets effectively officiated, implemented, judged, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see how it's gonna work because you're

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01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna have players up in arms saying this is a

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01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 1: contact sport. We're taught to go low and we're not

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01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 1: allowed to lower our helmet. Now how do we get around?

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01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 1: I just don't People can get thrown out of games

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01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 1: and people. You thought people were upset about what it catches.

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01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,480
Speaker 1: This could be part due when maybe twice as bad.

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01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 1: When the rules first announced, much of the attention publicly

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01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 1: was focused on what you can eject a player for this,

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01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: But now even a fifteen yard penalties a lot, and

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01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 1: it appears that players are confused. If you take the

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01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Eagles players by what they said, I find this unbelievable.

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01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 1: The Bears still unsigned his number eight pick, Roquan Smith,

2293
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: the linebacker Georgia ridiculous. This is unbelievable. The Bears coach.

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01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:35,320
Speaker 1: The new coach, Matt Naggi, at a news contra over

2295
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: the weekend, said the new helmet rule, which has yet

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01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 1: to be enforced once. He says the new helmet rule

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01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: is part of the reason why there's a disagreement between

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01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 1: the Bears in their first round pick. They want to

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01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:49,839
Speaker 1: take money from him, right, So they're arguing over contract

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01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 1: language that would allow the team to avoid guaranteed money

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Speaker 1: if Smith were to be disciplined by the league under

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Speaker 1: the new rule. So, in other words, the Bears want

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01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 1: in that his contract in Roquan Smith contract language that's

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01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 1: allowed that allows them to take away money. I was

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Speaker 1: guaranteed money if he is fined, which is that's insane.

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Speaker 1: And this is why it's insane. It's one thing to

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01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: have morality clauses and contracts. You know, you do something

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01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 1: wrong off the field, we get some of your bonus

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Speaker 1: money back. I'm totally on board with that, I get it.

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Speaker 1: But this falls directly into what his job description is

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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, you drafted him to tackle people, and

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01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 1: now you're gonna penalize him if he tackles them wrong

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Speaker 1: based on the judgment of an official. Now you got

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Speaker 1: me manner, You got me all fired up here in

2315
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 1: the last half hour of the show. This is insane

2316
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 1: based on a rule that no one's seen applied yet.

2317
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 1: Insane Bears, like everybody else, have no idea how the

2318
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: rule is going to be applied to. What are we doing,

2319
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. I'm just gonna say this now, by Halloween

2320
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 1: there will be an NFL memo and an amendment to

2321
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 1: this thing, because it I don't see how this thing

2322
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 1: is gonna work one way at all. It's this is

2323
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 1: gonna be this is gonna be football blasphemy, especially for

2324
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 1: the purists, because they're gonna be like, Okay, we get

2325
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: the safety thing, but how are you supposed to tackle anymore?

2326
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 1: We understand not leading with your head, but you have

2327
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:22,160
Speaker 1: to drop your head to get low with your pads.

2328
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 1: Your your head's gotta come with your pads. You can't

2329
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 1: detach your head and leave it up here. You know,

2330
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,600
Speaker 1: it's not rock'em sock'em robots. How are you doing this?

2331
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 1: It's it's like a physical impossibility, so stupid. Right. Let

2332
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:36,840
Speaker 1: me settle you down. Let me talk to you a

2333
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 1: little bit about a post you wrote for Buffalo bills

2334
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:44,120
Speaker 1: dot com regarding Tremaine Edmund's, Buffalo's other first round traffick,

2335
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:47,120
Speaker 1: and his family background. Of course, his brother uh Terrell

2336
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: was first round traffick of the Steelers, same night, same day,

2337
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,400
Speaker 1: first time that's ever happened. But it's funny. We all

2338
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: know about his background Edmonds. Tremaine Edmond's background, his father

2339
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:01,360
Speaker 1: pleading in the NFL, and that's not uncommon. Typically people say, well,

2340
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 1: he knows a little bit about the league, look at

2341
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 1: his bloodlines, look at his pedigree. A little bit different

2342
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: in this case, I think. And one part of your

2343
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 1: article that I really like, Chris, when you write the

2344
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,959
Speaker 1: lessons in the home started early for the Edmonds boys.

2345
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:16,120
Speaker 1: Their parents were demanding and mature, all understood what was

2346
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 1: important in their household. This isn't just a case of

2347
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,120
Speaker 1: oh dad played in the NFL, now you can too.

2348
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 1: It's a family, almost a family operation to get these

2349
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 1: guys not just functioning in the NFL, but functioning at

2350
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,840
Speaker 1: a high level with kind of a solid path forward.

2351
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:37,920
Speaker 1: I think for all honesty, integrity, respect, all of those things. Responsibility.

2352
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:41,000
Speaker 1: It was. It's very evident it was taught early in

2353
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: the home by Ferrell and his wife Cookie to their

2354
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:48,960
Speaker 1: three boys. And that's not the only thing that they

2355
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 1: did to make them understand how fortunate they were to

2356
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 1: grow up in the household that they did. They routinely

2357
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 1: would have foster kids in their home and they would

2358
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 1: live with them, and they've operated under the same rules.

2359
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: They still do it today. They've had more than twenty,

2360
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, over the last eighteen twenty years, and the boys,

2361
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, in talking to them, said it really gave

2362
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:14,240
Speaker 1: me a different perspective on life. How fortunate we are

2363
02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:18,440
Speaker 1: for the things that we have, and you know, there's

2364
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, a lot less fortunate

2365
02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: than us. But I think even beyond that, I think

2366
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:27,960
Speaker 1: as a team, you know, Ferrell and Cookie Edmonds just

2367
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, you got to tip your hat to them

2368
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 1: and what they've done with these three sons of theirs,

2369
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 1: just the most respectful but most dedicated to their craft

2370
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 1: that you will see. I think, as much as his

2371
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: brothers did not want to admit it, it's clear that

2372
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Tremaine is the most physically gifted of the three and

2373
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:56,560
Speaker 1: could really be something really really special. That's not to

2374
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 1: say the other two can have successful NFL careers, but

2375
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:03,400
Speaker 1: the tools that he has, coupled with the maturity beyond

2376
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:05,920
Speaker 1: his years. I asked both of the brothers, you know

2377
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:08,760
Speaker 1: you've got You've got a younger brother who who's going

2378
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:11,720
Speaker 1: to be running the Bills defense as a rookie, and

2379
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,880
Speaker 1: a twenty year old telling thirty five year olds what

2380
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:17,000
Speaker 1: to do. I said, are you sure he's gonna be

2381
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:18,800
Speaker 1: able to handle that? They're like, not even gonna be

2382
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 1: an issue. It's not even gonna be an issue because

2383
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:26,800
Speaker 1: our dad has told us from day one that there

2384
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 1: are going to be opportunities that come along in your life,

2385
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 1: and you need to be prepared for each and every

2386
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,120
Speaker 1: one of them if you want to make it work

2387
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:36,800
Speaker 1: and be successful, whether it's football or anything else. And

2388
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 1: I think it was Terrell who told me. You know,

2389
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:42,760
Speaker 1: we had that drilled into us so often at such

2390
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 1: an early age that by the time we got to college,

2391
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 1: the decisions that we had to make there were easy

2392
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 1: for us because we knew what was right, what was wrong,

2393
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 1: and even the gray area in between. You've got the

2394
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:57,000
Speaker 1: Bills Tree Maine. You've got Terrell with the Steelers and

2395
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:59,400
Speaker 1: another brother, Trey, who's running back with a saint. He's

2396
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:03,800
Speaker 1: the oldest three and you know he's he's hanging on there.

2397
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 1: That's a tough depth chart to crack. Alvin Kamara, you know,

2398
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and he's battling to be the third running

2399
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 1: back down there, you know, on the roster last year.

2400
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:18,240
Speaker 1: Certainly has skills. He transferred to Maryland before you know,

2401
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:20,000
Speaker 1: he ended up going down to New Orleans. He left

2402
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, finished up at Maryland, which is actually where

2403
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 1: Farrell Edmonds played. But yeah, I mean it's it's an

2404
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:29,640
Speaker 1: interesting story and it's just interesting to hear the perspective

2405
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 1: from his brothers on who Tremaine is as a person

2406
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:34,640
Speaker 1: and who they think he can be as a middle

2407
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:36,640
Speaker 1: linebacker for the Billing. I like to quote from Farrell

2408
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:39,520
Speaker 1: the father who played tight end right Dolphins parily, two

2409
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:43,920
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler. This quote improved what he tells his boys,

2410
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:46,680
Speaker 1: improve your craft every day, find something that you can

2411
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:49,560
Speaker 1: work on to make yourself better. Every day, get better.

2412
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:52,160
Speaker 1: It's just like life. Every day, allow yourself to get

2413
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:54,360
Speaker 1: better as a man, get better as a teammate. If

2414
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:59,960
Speaker 1: that is not the quintessential approach of what Sean McDermot

2415
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,320
Speaker 1: it is as a head coach, I don't know what

2416
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:04,080
Speaker 1: is Yeah, Like, if you knew this background before the draft,

2417
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:06,760
Speaker 1: aren't you saying Tremade Edmonds is tailor made for what

2418
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:08,840
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott expects out of his players. I mean he

2419
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:13,320
Speaker 1: is Taylor mate. I mean to a t personality, character,

2420
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,200
Speaker 1: work ethic and then physical ability on top of it.

2421
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's the perfect fit to drop into the middle.

2422
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, if Sean mcdermot's defense talk to Tremaine briefly

2423
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:25,320
Speaker 1: yesterday after practice, and you know he's a young kid,

2424
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:27,120
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old, right in his answer is a

2425
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:30,320
Speaker 1: little programmed and careful not to say anything. You know

2426
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:32,600
Speaker 1: they would get much attention. But you can tell he's

2427
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:35,360
Speaker 1: given thought and he's listening to your questions. He just

2428
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:37,600
Speaker 1: is tiptoe around him a little bit, which is fine. Well,

2429
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:39,280
Speaker 1: and I think that's his mom in his ear again

2430
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:41,760
Speaker 1: about being humble. Yea, you know there is a humility

2431
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:43,760
Speaker 1: in all three of these guys, even though they have

2432
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:47,000
Speaker 1: been athletic phenoms from probably the time you know they

2433
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:50,440
Speaker 1: were six or seven, years old. But there's humility there too.

2434
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:53,640
Speaker 1: And I kind of laugh because in talking to Ferrell

2435
02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 1: when he was here after the draft with Tremaine, when

2436
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 1: he came into town, at the media and everything, he said,

2437
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:01,960
Speaker 1: people thought I was tough as their high school football coach.

2438
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:04,960
Speaker 1: He goes, I paled in comparison to my wife, who

2439
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:08,440
Speaker 1: coached them in track and coached them in terms of sprinting.

2440
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:10,640
Speaker 1: She was a three time conference champion as a sprinter

2441
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:14,960
Speaker 1: and a hurdler at Southern Illinois in college. And he said,

2442
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:17,960
Speaker 1: sometimes we'd finish football practice and all of a sudden,

2443
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 1: Mom would show up, and then the boys would just

2444
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 1: roll their eyes because they knew they were gonna be

2445
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,720
Speaker 1: there for another hour working on their sprinter stride. So

2446
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 1: you imagine finishing two hour football practice and then here

2447
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:30,880
Speaker 1: comes mom and she's the tougher of the two. Good lord, man,

2448
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,919
Speaker 1: I sign up for that. What a great fit. Treminting

2449
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 1: this for the Bills, And I had the same impression

2450
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:40,600
Speaker 1: Thursday last Thursday, watching practice, first training camp practice that

2451
02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:42,880
Speaker 1: I had the first day of the rookie minicamp out

2452
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:45,960
Speaker 1: first day Rookie Minicamp last April. I go out here

2453
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 1: in the field house, and I'm like, whoa, Tremaine Edmonds

2454
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 1: is head and shoulders bigger than everybody else. So I'm

2455
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 1: out there watching training camp Thursday and I was like, whoa,

2456
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 1: it's not even still still bigger than everybody else out there.

2457
02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:00,800
Speaker 1: And here's the season freak is big and he's a

2458
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 1: complete physical freak. And here's the scary thing. And I

2459
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 1: talked to his college coach, just In Fuente about this

2460
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:10,520
Speaker 1: because he's only twenty years old. While he might be

2461
02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 1: done growing height wise for an NFL body, I mean,

2462
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:16,760
Speaker 1: there is weight that he can put on this frame

2463
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:20,000
Speaker 1: and fill him. He hadn't even filled out yet. I

2464
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: mean he's like Bambi out there. You know, he's like

2465
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 1: a young deer and he runs like a deer. Yeah.

2466
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean there was a play where, um, there was

2467
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: a gap assignment missed on a run play in practice.

2468
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,080
Speaker 1: I want to say it was Saturday, and it wasn't

2469
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:38,480
Speaker 1: Tremaine who was in the wrong gap. Somebody else was.

2470
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:40,520
Speaker 1: So there was an alley for the running back. I

2471
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,120
Speaker 1: think it was Marcus Murphy on the play and he

2472
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: gets he gets through the hole and he's down the

2473
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 1: sideline into the secondary and Edmonds is trailing him, and

2474
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:52,520
Speaker 1: he's closing the distance like it was. I mean, it's

2475
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 1: a bad angle from where he was in the middle

2476
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:56,040
Speaker 1: of the defense, so he's going to be behind from

2477
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:59,560
Speaker 1: the word go. But the distance is twenty yards, fifteen yards,

2478
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:02,400
Speaker 1: ten yards, and he's forced out of bounds ultimately by

2479
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:04,560
Speaker 1: a defensive back. But by the time the defensive back

2480
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 1: has forced him out of bounds, Edmonds is two yards

2481
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:08,760
Speaker 1: behind him, like he would have caught him from behind.

2482
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 1: It would not have gone for a touchdown even if

2483
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:12,680
Speaker 1: no one was on that side of the field because

2484
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 1: Edmonds would have caught him. It's a great article on

2485
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:17,200
Speaker 1: our website, Buffalo bills dot com. Chris Brown, Bills Insider

2486
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:20,560
Speaker 1: wrote it, the family pedigree has allowed tremin Edmonds to

2487
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:22,960
Speaker 1: stand tall in the Bills defense. Check it out at

2488
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo bills dot com. Chris and I back with Mort

2489
02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:28,320
Speaker 1: a moment One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive. This

2490
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. What have we learned from today's show?

2491
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,080
Speaker 1: Presented by Advanced Alarm, providing Western New York's homes and

2492
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:53,720
Speaker 1: businesses with the finest insecurity and home theater. The preferred

2493
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:56,640
Speaker 1: alarm and home theater writer or the Buffalo Bills Good Show. Today,

2494
02:08:56,640 --> 02:08:59,200
Speaker 1: Omar Ruis joined us from NFL Network. He was at

2495
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 1: Bill's camp the other day on Saturday, and we asked

2496
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,720
Speaker 1: him what he thought of Josh Allen and his work

2497
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:05,800
Speaker 1: with the first team, then what he saw at practice.

2498
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:09,920
Speaker 1: Then you see some examples just out at practice. You know,

2499
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:11,800
Speaker 1: while I talked about some of the great throws he made,

2500
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 1: there were some in throwing drills, not necessarily in seven

2501
02:09:14,760 --> 02:09:16,640
Speaker 1: on seven or eleven on eleven, but just when the

2502
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:19,200
Speaker 1: running routes with the receivers that he was way off

2503
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 1: on throws, And you know, just the consistency in his

2504
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:26,120
Speaker 1: footwork and the mechanics to not make such arrant throws.

2505
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:28,760
Speaker 1: I think you sometimes those would show up on his

2506
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:31,320
Speaker 1: college tapes. I think that's another reason. You know, when

2507
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:33,400
Speaker 1: you see a throw so far off, you wonder how

2508
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 1: that can happen. But I think it's a matter of

2509
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, becoming a professional and maintaining that discipline to

2510
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,840
Speaker 1: treat each of those practice valuable with value, and that

2511
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:47,800
Speaker 1: translates hopefully for him in the game. All My Ruiz

2512
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:50,160
Speaker 1: of NFL Network also on the show today. We talked

2513
02:09:50,160 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: a moment ago with South Palatonio. National reporter for ESPN.

2514
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,520
Speaker 1: Sala has written a book called Philly Special Chronical in

2515
02:09:57,560 --> 02:10:01,440
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl camp pain last year, and

2516
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:05,320
Speaker 1: he related the story about Frank Reich what Frankreich told

2517
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:08,240
Speaker 1: him about the Eagles preparation for the Super Bowl against

2518
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:13,320
Speaker 1: New England last year. There's a great, great story that

2519
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:17,560
Speaker 1: Frank Wright told me on the record in the book

2520
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:21,040
Speaker 1: about how the night before the Super Bowl, Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: US Banks Stadium, the team is about to go practice

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Speaker 1: in their final walk through for Super Bowl fifty two.

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Speaker 1: It's the morning of Frank Wright has a meeting with

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson and Peterson says to him, I want you

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02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:39,120
Speaker 1: to fake it today, and Reich says, we do mean

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Speaker 1: fake it. He goes, I don't want you to run

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Speaker 1: any of the plenties that we're going to run in

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Speaker 1: the game. They were afraid that the Patriots were spying

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Speaker 1: on them at US Banks Stadium. Anybody's surprised by that, Chris,

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Speaker 1: You're surprised that the Eagles might be a little bit

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Speaker 1: worried about that. I'm not surprised at all. Now. It

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Speaker 1: is paranoia. We don't know if the Patriots were caught

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Speaker 1: the cheetreants, but you'd have to take that chance, right

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Speaker 1: if you were the Eagles. Like, look, they may or

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Speaker 1: may not be have access to this practice, so let's

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Speaker 1: not take any chance. And you don't have to do that.

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Speaker 1: Go do it in the conference room. Yeah, do your

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Speaker 1: walk through there in the hotel. We were earlier in

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Speaker 1: the show today, Chris, you and I talking about Bills camp,

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Speaker 1: what we've seen. Let me ask you what you'd like

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Speaker 1: to see. There's still a lot of camp to go

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02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:25,840
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks plus. What would you like to

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02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 1: see the bills get done? Or would you like to

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Speaker 1: see emerge over the remaining two and a half weeks

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02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,640
Speaker 1: of camp here? What would I like to see? I

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02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 1: think I'd like to see a defined answer at the

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Speaker 1: nickel corner position. I want to kind of get that

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02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:43,960
Speaker 1: position put to bed. I think it's very underrated in

2549
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 1: NFL defense is because they play sixty five percent of

2550
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:49,840
Speaker 1: the snaps. Murph. I mean, you're practically a starter. You

2551
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 1: really are when you think about it. And I really

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02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 1: want to see Arren Johnson come on here and show

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Speaker 1: that he's capable of handling that role. Because while I

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02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:02,440
Speaker 1: respect Phil of gains. I just worry that the skill

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Speaker 1: set isn't quite up to snuff to be a weekly

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02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:10,920
Speaker 1: contributor in there that you can count on. So you

2557
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:13,720
Speaker 1: really need Taran Johnson to come on here and make

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Speaker 1: a difference. Otherwise I worry about what they're going to

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Speaker 1: have there in that position week to week. I would

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Speaker 1: like to see more from the offense moving forward, and again,

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit more than two weeks left in camp,

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Speaker 1: and there's a preseason game in there as well. In particular,

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Speaker 1: i'd like to see someone emerge at wide receiver. Now

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to be there's the number two,

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Speaker 1: there's the other guy who's Hades Calvin, but someone emerge.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking the likeliest candidate's based on what I've seen

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Speaker 1: so far, might be Rod Streeter, who's a veteran who's

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Speaker 1: done this before, did it just last year. Might be

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Speaker 1: Robert Foster. I think that's a lot to ask, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know who else it would be, but I

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Speaker 1: would like to see somebody emerge. I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones back. I don't know if there's any timetable.

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Speaker 1: No one's talk about a timetable for him. To return

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Speaker 1: to practice. I don't think it's expected to be a

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Speaker 1: lengthy time out more than non football, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see. I mean, it might be a

2577
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Speaker 1: little bit. It's clear they want to be conservative with

2578
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:07,800
Speaker 1: it as badly as A Jones wants to get out there.

2579
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Speaker 1: But I mean, he's probably not coming out. He's probably

2580
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Speaker 1: not gonna be ready to play in a preseason game

2581
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Speaker 1: and what a week and a half. I don't see

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Speaker 1: that happening, So I don't know if they're going to

2583
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Speaker 1: rush him back. There are other candidates, you know, Brandon

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Speaker 1: Riley I think might have something to say about this,

2585
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Speaker 1: Jeremy Curley obviously. But what I'd like to see, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see someone emerge as the answer at the

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Speaker 1: other wide receiver spot, Am, rather than later. Chris, thanks

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Speaker 1: for this. You're going to be out of camp tomorrow tomorrow. There,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for this. Chris Brown filling in

2590
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Speaker 1: today for Steve Tasker. Steve and I will be on

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Speaker 1: the air tomorrow with the show Good Show coming up tomorrow.

2592
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Speaker 1: Nathan Peterman, Harrison Phillips, Peter King, all of them expected

2593
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Speaker 1: to be on the show with us tomorrow. I want

2594
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Speaker 1: to thank our great crew. Production assistants George Blast, Jeff

2595
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:52,240
Speaker 1: Coltnick Thomas, Honalder, Kelly Rude, JJ Turrito, Kevin Kartiss, and

2596
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Speaker 1: James Roebel. Our producer Jay Harris. We'll see tomorrow from

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Speaker 1: camp with One Bill's Live presented by Kalid to Health

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Raiding