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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're just sailing along.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we're not going to stop abruptly for this episode

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we were actually developing a robust suite

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Speaker 2: of maritime disasters.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's plenty to talk about, for sure, So this

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Speaker 2: I mean, depending on which ones you cover, we could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the main thing that stood

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and no more car surfing like they didn't teen

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the sail buy again. This is an enormous ship,

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Speaker 2: Evidently had met Captain Scatino they started this affair. She

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Speaker 2: What was the degree in the end seventy degrees, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean zero degree upright, ninety degrees is completely

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: The bone of contention is whether Skatino did anything or not.

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Speaker 1: Some maritime experts later on said he didn't do a thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, if Skatino said it was

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Speaker 1: That is a good rule of thumb with this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shall we take a break? Yeah we should, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's a good setup. This cruise ship is taking on water,

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Speaker 2: it's listing with everyone on board, and we're gonna come

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Speaker 2: back and tell you what happened right after this.

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Speaker 3: Stuff you should know, Josh, and shock stuff you should know,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: So remember I said to pay attention to the timeline.

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Speaker 2: This thing again hits those rocks ninetive pm. What I

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Speaker 1: He also got word almost immediately that the engine room

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he knew how bad it was pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: The reason that the authorities on land, you know, and

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Speaker 2: So the long and short of it is, Search and

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Speaker 2: Skatino kind of downplayed it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at first he was probably like, letter ring, just

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Speaker 2: However, because this is modern times, and one of the

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Speaker 2: they recorded this call between crisis coordinator Roberto Ferroerini from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the guy he admitted it to, like you

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Speaker 2: It looked even closer it does. You see the wreck

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Speaker 1: Sure, like it's really really close to land, and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So rescue boats finally arrive at ten forty. This

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Speaker 1: Like how badly he abandoned the ship. He said, abandoned

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Speaker 2: I've been on one cruise and it's a total buzzkill.

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Speaker 1: It's the last thing you want to do when you

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Speaker 1: They hadn't even done that yet. So not only did

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Speaker 1: water was starting to come up. And all of a sudden,

437
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: what used to be the walls were now the floor.

438
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: What used to be the other walls now the ceiling,

439
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: and what used to be the floor and the ceiling

440
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: are now walls. That's how much the ship tilted. I

441
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: can keep going. I could tell you, like the carpeting

442
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: went from the floor to the wall.

443
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: If you keep going, this ship's going to be upright again.

444
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: So they need they needed you there just to explain.

445
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: That that brass the railing you used as a handrail,

446
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: you could dangle from it. It's at the ceiling exactly.

447
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the other the other really scary thing

448
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: about it, aside from that that you're lucky if you're

449
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: in a deck that's just like that. There's also corridors

450
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: that go from one side of the ship to the other.

451
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Those are no vertical shafts. I saw it put. There's

452
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: a really great shaft. Yeah, essentially that you could fall

453
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: into and all of a sudden, you're falling to the

454
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: other side of the ship. It was like the beside

455
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: an Adventure halfway.

456
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: It's like whatever TV show you were watching, all of

457
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: a sudden was almost upside down.

458
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: You would have to dangle from the floor which is

459
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: now the ceiling to watch the TV appropriately.

460
00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: That's right. So after midnight, the Coastguard captain there, Gregorio

461
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: de Falco, called Skatino and again these are recorded phone calls,

462
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: which is great. And at that point Skatino is in

463
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: that lifeboat and there was a very dramatic conversation that

464
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: they had which was played later on, where DeFalco says,

465
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: you got to return to that vessel. Pal you're the

466
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: captain and you oversee this evacuation. It's chaos and you

467
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: should be up there in charge. And he became sort

468
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: of a local folk hero in Italy. And there was

469
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 2: a line that he had which Olivia helped us with

470
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: this so she puts it kind of nicely. PG translation

471
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: is get back on the board, damn it. And this

472
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: was printed on T shirts and it was sold in Italy.

473
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: It became a very big part of the trial Skatino

474
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: didn't do it. He was like, nope, not going back on.

475
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: By twelve forty, so this is almost three hours later,

476
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: there were twenty five patrol boats, fourteen merchant vessels, and

477
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: those helicopters on the scene, and I think by you know,

478
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 2: by this time, the ship was listed so severely that

479
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: they'd lost like all of the port side lifeboats. They

480
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: couldn't even launch those, So you're dealing now with half

481
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: the lifeboats as well.

482
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, the floors now walls. But the reason why you

483
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: couldn't do the lifeboats took is because on the port side,

484
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: rather than being the side of the ship that was

485
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: now skyward, that was like the top of the ship.

486
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: How are you going to lower a lifeboat like that?

487
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: You can't do it. Luckily, they got apparently twenty three

488
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: of the twenty six lifeboats launched before it just became

489
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: impossible to launch the last three.

490
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: But it should be enough for all the people, right, it.

491
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: Should have been, and I think it was. But the

492
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: whole thing was done so disorderly. People were shuffled from

493
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: one place to another. Yeah, and thirty two people ended

494
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: up dying, and most of them, I should say most

495
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: of the drowning deaths apparently occurred around the set moment,

496
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: and that is so the ship was listed at twenty degrees.

497
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: You can work with that, but your dishes are sliding

498
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: off of your tables and stuff like that. Nothing you

499
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: want to really deal with, but you can manage. And

500
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: it started to made it to about fifty degrees. Now

501
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: it's a real problem, I think about them. They couldn't

502
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: launch any of the boats. But then from fifty degrees

503
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: it started to list to seventy degrees, that where it's

504
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: almost completely on its side, and that happened quickly enough

505
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: that people who had been on the starboard side and

506
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: said nope, lifeboats full, go to the port side were

507
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: actually caught in between the two inside interior rooms. And

508
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, water's coming up from the

509
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: walls and the floor, and you're trapped inside a room

510
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: that you can't swim out of. And I guess I

511
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: think like eleven or sixteen people died that way, just

512
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: getting caught when the ship listed and the water started

513
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: to come up, and it happened almost all at once,

514
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: So you can make a really good case that had

515
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: they not delayed this rescue, had they initially called for

516
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: help immediately. They probably would have gotten everybody off of

517
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: that ship before it listed to seventy degrees, and all

518
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: those people who drowned in the in the center of

519
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: the ship almost certainly would have lived.

520
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. You know, we talked about all of the

521
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: upper tier crew getting off on the lifeboats with a

522
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: captain that left, and Olivia helped us with this, and

523
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: she found some pretty great examples of heroes of this

524
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: situation that left, and some of them actually did rescue

525
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: people that left. Musicians and waiters and bartenders to help.

526
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: These are not crew members that are trained, you know,

527
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: to run the cruise ship. These are people serving you

528
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: food and drinks or playing the drums. That was a drummer,

529
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: Giuseppe Girolamo. He is thirty years old. He had a

530
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: spot on that last lifeboat, but he gave it up

531
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: for a family with two kids. He perished. A bartender

532
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: named Erica Fani Soria Molina gave up her life jacket

533
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: to an elderly man and perished. You know, once this

534
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: thing is moving around, and like the currents around something

535
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: like this, you know before it's stationary, are are vast

536
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: and I imagine once it isn't even is stationary, just

537
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: all the transfer of air and a vacuum of water

538
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: being sucked in, like it's very perilous water that you're

539
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: getting into. So a lot of these people died by

540
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, jumping in the water to try to swim

541
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: to shore, but they were just kind of sucked under

542
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: and kept there.

543
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they may have made it had they kept

544
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: their life jackets, but for one reason or another, they

545
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: gave their life jackets a way to save other people.

546
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was extraordinarily sad, and there was a

547
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of valiant efforts, including from people who survive too.

548
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: One of the heroes of the story was the deputy

549
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: mayor of Gilio Porto, I think the main pack on it.

550
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he was the one who basically filled that

551
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: power vacuum. He went and was working side by side

552
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: with the i think the chief navigator, a guy named Simoneknesse,

553
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: who was the one who was ordered to lie to

554
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: the coastguard when they first called. Those two worked to

555
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: get like a couple hundred people off of the ship

556
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: that were stuck on it when it listed to seventy degrees,

557
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: and they were doing things like they found an aluminum ladder, chuck,

558
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and you basically had to climbate to get to the

559
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: railing of one of the decks because again it's at

560
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: seventy degrees and don't get me started about what's wall

561
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: and what's the floor. But they were basically using this

562
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: ladder in the exact opposite direction that you normally would

563
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: and when you would get up to the top of layer,

564
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: you had to climb over the deck railing and now

565
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: you're on the port side hull of the ship and

566
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: you had to scoot down tens and tens of feet

567
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: using a rope ladder and then jumped the last three

568
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: to five feet onto a waiting rescue boat. And like

569
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten people managed to survive by using

570
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: this exit that Canesse and the deputy mayor managed to organize.

571
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to drive it home. This deputy mayor,

572
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: who was you know, probably just easing in for a

573
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: late dinner on his cozy island. As Skatino is bailing

574
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: off this ship. This guy is getting aboard the ship.

575
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: He was the first one from that island to get

576
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: out there and say I'm getting on board that ship

577
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: to help people. As the captain has bailed in a lifeboat.

578
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really unbelievable point out for sure. They

579
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: may have even passed one another.

580
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said one hundred and fifty, I'm sorry.

581
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: Thirty two people died, one hundred and fifty people were injured,

582
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 2: sixty five very seriously injured. We're talking partial paralysis. There

583
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: was one case of blindness, amputations, obviously a lot of

584
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: people that suffered from PTSD. Afterward, it took to six

585
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: am the next morning for everybody everyone to be evacuated

586
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: that was still alive. As we'll see, there were very

587
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: sadly some bodies that they would find in the months

588
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: as far as like recovery of the dead goes during

589
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: the operation to save this or not save the ship,

590
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: but to save the environment from this ship.

591
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, that was a huge thing. So they went

592
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: from rescuing people to recovering remains to preventing a maritime

593
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: environmental catastrophe of unparalleled proportions from happening. Because this ship

594
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: had twenty six hundred I think tons of fuel and

595
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: oil and hydraulic lubricants and all sorts of stuff that

596
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: would just give back in the water. Yeah, on board,

597
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: and it was just waiting. All that ship had to

598
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: do was start to crack up, and it was laying

599
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: against some rocks at a seventy degree angle. No one

600
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: knew how much pressure it was having exerted in the middle.

601
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Was it going to break in half at the rock,

602
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: like the rock's going to be a full crumb. They

603
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: had no idea. They just knew that they needed to

604
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: get that oil out of that ship as fast as possible.

605
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: So that was also one of the one things they

606
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: were doing while they were simultaneously searching for remains.

607
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not only the fuel. And we should point

608
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: out that this is Gilio's inside the Pelagos Sanctuary, the

609
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: largest marine wildlife park in the Mediterranean, just an amazing place.

610
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: And you've got this oil, and then you have everything

611
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: on the ship, all kinds of plastics, all kinds of chemicals,

612
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: all kinds of nasty stuff, all kinds of food. Apparently

613
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: the food spoilage like they were right in the middle

614
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: of dinner service. So not only all the food that

615
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: they were serving for dinner, which you know, for a

616
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: cruise ship, if you've ever been to a dinner service,

617
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: it's just more food than you can ever imagine. Basically,

618
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: but all the food, you know, the freezers are bursting,

619
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: all the food that's on the ship. It's at the

620
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: very beginning of this crew, so it's fully stocked. And

621
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: so that was an environmental disaster attracting all kinds of

622
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: sea life making. You know, the runoff effect of that

623
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: is you have people who make their living fishing on

624
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: this tiny island, like many many people do that, and

625
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden their industry is wrecked for a

626
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: while because this ship, you know, to make a long

627
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: story short, ended up laying there for about two and

628
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: a half years. Yeah, and it was a environmental disaster.

629
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: And that Nova documentary sent me Nova did it. It's

630
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: fifty three minutes long and it's what was it called

631
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: Sunken Sunken Ship Rescue. It is if you have a

632
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: PBS subscription, it is worth your time to watch the

633
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: documentary on the salvage operation on this thing, because it

634
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: is unbelievable what humans can think of the ingenuity of

635
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: humans to take an unprecedented situation like this and figure

636
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: out how to safely get that boat out of there

637
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: was just I'd never seen anything like it.

638
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about a couple more things before the salvage.

639
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: We'll take a break and then come back and talk

640
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: some salvage. How about that, let's do it. So in

641
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: addition to the food that they're having to float past

642
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: the divers who are looking for remains, and apparently also

643
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: they found three people alive who were trapped after the

644
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: evacuation was complete. One was the ship's purser who had

645
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: fallen into a restaurant because it was sideways and he

646
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: was trapped there for thirty six hours. And then another

647
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: was a Korean couple who were on their honeymoon who

648
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: got trapped in their cabin. So there was like, wow,

649
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: we found some live people. It really made them redouble

650
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: their diving efforts. And it was really dangerous diving through

651
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: this stuff. Like there's bed sheets that you could get

652
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: wrapped up in as a dive. There were knives floating

653
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: around coming towards you, just tons of debris, chandeliers like

654
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: hanging over you that could just drop at any minute.

655
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: It was a bad jam as far as diving goes.

656
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: And there's some really amazing footage of divers swimming through

657
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: the wreckage that the Italian police posted that you can

658
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: go see. I would strongly recommend going to check that out.

659
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: But as they're doing all this, they finally I think

660
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: cleared everybody but two people. There were two bodies that

661
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: they just were like, we can't find them right now,

662
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: we need to get this salvage operation underway, and they

663
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: started to do that.

664
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: All right, you want to take the break now, Yeah,

665
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, yeah, we'll be right back. Everybody.

666
00:36:51,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: Stuff you should know, show stuff should know, so chuck in.

667
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: I think September twenty thirteen, almost Jesus is January twenty twelve,

668
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: so more than a year, almost two years after the wreck.

669
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: The boat's just been laying there on its side in

670
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: the water. Five hundred people came together to get this

671
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: thing upright again. And that was like just a crazy

672
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: idea because other people are like, no, we're gonna have

673
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: to just like demolish this thing in the water with explosives.

674
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: There's nothing we can do. And some people are like, no,

675
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: we can float it again, and they did. They managed

676
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: to figure out a way. I'm using a technique called

677
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: turnbuckling that got the ship back upright.

678
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: Parbuckling.

679
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Parbuckling. It's like turned by but for giant ships.

680
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think initially, I mean, the reason

681
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: it took almost two years is they were coming up

682
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: with a plan to do this, so, like when they

683
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: hit the ground running in September twenty thirteen. Initially they

684
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: were going to try and cut it into pieces, which

685
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: is a method that's been used before. But they were like,

686
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: there's no way we can do that without causing more

687
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: environmental mess. And that's the kind of thing when something

688
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: like this happens these days, the environment is takes precedent

689
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: and you have to do it in such a way that,

690
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: like you said, you don't blow it up and you

691
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: don't cut it into pieces and wreck the local environment.

692
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: So they had to figure it out and they I mean,

693
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: I suggest watching that documentary, it's amazing. They ended up

694
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: building these huge platforms underwater that the boat would sit

695
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: on once they rolled it back upright. But the whole

696
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: rolling it upright process was fraught with peril of the

697
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: boat breaking apart. No one knew what exerting that kind

698
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: of pressure to kind of pull this thing back over

699
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: these huge steel cables would take. So it was it's amazing.

700
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: There were a lot of very tense moments, but they

701
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: did manage to get this thing upright and floating and

702
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: towed it away with tugboats.

703
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an engineering marvel. Apparently, they had lasers

704
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: and microphones and everything on all over the ship to

705
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: make sure it wasn't settling or moving at any point.

706
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: Still, it had become part of the rock over that

707
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: time too, which was a very tense moment in the

708
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Nova Special because when it was go time, that's when

709
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: they realized it was like it is now attached to

710
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: the seabed in places, and they were like, we don't

711
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen, and it dislodged and it

712
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: actually worked out, but it was very very tenuous there

713
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: for a little while.

714
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: So they got it upright and after that apparently it

715
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: opened up parts of the ship to exploration that hadn't

716
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: been available before it was just too dangerous. And they

717
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: found the remains of the second to last missing victim,

718
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Maria Grasia trick car Trick Riichi. She was celebrating her

719
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday with a friend and her daughter when she died.

720
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: She and her friend died, her daughter survived, and there

721
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: was just one last person to be found after that,

722
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: and they didn't find him. His name was Russell Rebello.

723
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: He was another hero who gave away his life jacket

724
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: to save someone else.

725
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: And he's a I think right.

726
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: He was a waiter and he was organizing people to

727
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: get out of there. He's helping people get off of

728
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: the ship and died as a result. And once they

729
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: floated the ship and towed it back to Genoa for recycling,

730
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: they were just turning it into scrap, one hundred and

731
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: forty four thousand tons of scrap. The people doing that

732
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: project found the remains of Russell Rebello in a cabin

733
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: behind some furniture on the eighth deck. He had just

734
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: been trapped there the whole time that the boat was underwater,

735
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: and they found him after it was in the ship

736
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: jarden dry dock.

737
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Obviously, the legal fallout from this was pretty broad.

738
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: Skatino was dubbed Captain Coward by the media in Italy.

739
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: And on January fifteenth, actually two days after the prosecutor

740
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: came forward confirming the events as we have detailed. Two

741
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: days after that they placed Skatino under house arrest. Obviously,

742
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: that audio with DeFalco was released very damning evidence. And

743
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: then July twenty thirteen, that crisis coordinator Ferrorini, who was

744
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: on the phone with Skatino. Four members of the crew

745
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: pled guilty. They took a plea bargain basically where they

746
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: pled guilty to manslaughter got sentences from one and a

747
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: half years to close to three years, including Jacob rus

748
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: Lee Benn, who was the helmsman who steered the wrong way.

749
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: And Skatino says, oh, this plea deal sounds like a

750
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: pretty good thing. I'd like to get in on that,

751
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh no, no, there's no plea deal

752
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: for you. You're going to go to full trial on

753
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: a manslaughter charge causing the wreck and abandoning ship. And

754
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: they opened it up into a one thousand seat court

755
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: theater basically in Tuscany so people could go and watch

756
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: this play out in person.

757
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: It was a huge, huge international spectacle. The trial almost.

758
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: Two years, basically nineteen months.

759
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: Like it's it's pretty rare that somebody who's like roundly

760
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: vilified isn't in some way like being unfairly villified. But

761
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: Skatino is one of those rare people where he totally

762
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: deserved every bit of scorn and disdain that that was

763
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: heaped upon him. And it was still heaped upon him.

764
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: He was a national embarrassment for Italy but just a

765
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: just an international snake as far as everybody else was concerned.

766
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: And from what I can tell, I'm like, surely there's

767
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: something this guy did that was like, oh, actually he

768
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: did this. Nope, it does not exist, which is you

769
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: just don't run into that very often.

770
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was sentenced to sixteen years. He appealed, that

771
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: appeal was uphild in May twenty seventeen, and he is

772
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: currently serving that sentence. There are people, and I'm glad

773
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: Livia pointed this out. I don't think anyone, like you said,

774
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: is defending Skatino. But there was more scorn heaped upon

775
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: Coasta Cruises as a whole because they pointed out things like,

776
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, I said, put a pin in the fact

777
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: that there was a language barrier between the helmsmen about

778
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: which way to steer. Like they're like, that shouldn't happen.

779
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: There shouldn't be a language barrier between who's steering the

780
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: ship and the captain of the ship. You got to

781
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: work that out. There were safety and evacuation procedures that

782
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: were basically either not known or ignored, right, And that's

783
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, that falls on the company to some degree

784
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: for sure. And then there were technical things. There were

785
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: some I believe watertight doors that were left open. It

786
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: was they were either malfunctioning or the crew just didn't

787
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: shut them because it reduced like the amount of work

788
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: to like unseal those doors, and you know, made their

789
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: workflow easier. So you know, there were a few things

790
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: that popped up. The fact that they the company even

791
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: said like sail buys are fine, like we do it.

792
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: It's something that we all do and it's fine. Like

793
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: all these things popped up to put coast to cruises

794
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: and hold their feet to the fire. So they ended

795
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: up offering a payout of eleven thousand euros to anyone

796
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: who was on board, plus obviously reimbursing them for the

797
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: trip and any costs related to traveling for the trip,

798
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: as long as you give up the right to sue.

799
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they settled with Italy itself for a one

800
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: million euro fine, which kept them out of criminal lawsuits

801
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: or criminal charges as a company. They just basically shoved

802
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: skete know forward and said here, everybody have at and

803
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: again rightfully so, but the company didn't take the kind

804
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: of responsibility that it should have, like you were describing,

805
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: and they got off easy, I mean a couple million

806
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: and settlements. I mean they really skin flinted the people

807
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: who were affected by this. But that's not to say

808
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: they got off scott free as far as finances go. Yeah,

809
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: the salvage operation itself cost one point two billion dollars.

810
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: That's yeah, WWI is the amount of costs to build

811
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: the ship in the first place.

812
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: Plus they lost the half a billion dollar ship, right,

813
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: so they lost You're close to two billion dollars exactly.

814
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: So, so Skatino's little sale by costs that company two

815
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: billion dollars. It cost the world thirty two lives and

816
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: some serious injuries as a result, and of course the

817
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: area around Julio Island is not probably never going to

818
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: be the same again, or it won't be for a

819
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: really long time. But there was an interesting little post

820
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: because somebody else lost out on this deal too. You

821
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: may or may not feel bad for them, but the

822
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Calabrian mafia a few years ago came out that the

823
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: Italian police were recording their conversations and found out that

824
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: the Calabrian mafia had had a bunch of cocaine aboard

825
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: the Costa Concordia, and it's not clear if it was

826
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: still there or if somebody swam aboard and got it,

827
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: or what the deal was. But it was never like

828
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: the salvage crew was never like we found the cocaine.

829
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty interesting. Yeah, and we should also mention too,

830
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: during that the salvage operation, remarkably only one person died,

831
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: considering how dangerous the work was that they were doing these

832
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: industrial divers. Yeah, and one of them, there was a

833
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: Spanish diver who died February first, twenty fourteen, trying to

834
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: salvage the thing and help the environment out.

835
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Pretty nuts.

836
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

837
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: There was one other quote that DeFalco had that wasn't

838
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: quite as touted in the media, but I thought it

839
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: was pretty ba.

840
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: You ready, that's a spicy meatball, DeFalco.

841
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: Said to Scatino on that famous phone call. Perhaps you

842
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: saved yourself from the sea, but I'll make you pay.

843
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a good one.

844
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: He got them too. Wow. So that's it for the

845
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: Costa Concordia. And if you heard all this and you're

846
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: like this is really interesting stuff, there's a lot of

847
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: stuff out there for you to go check out.

848
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: Totally. That Nova Doc is well worth fifty minutes.

849
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that alone is worth it. What was it?

850
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: It's a sunken ship rescue. It's a terrible title. It's

851
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: really hard to get in there. Also, there's a really

852
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: great Vanity Fair article called Another Night to Remember. I

853
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: don't remember who wrote it, but like they described the

854
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: people involved as like ruggedly handsome, receding hairline, just Vanity Fair.

855
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Kind of little interesting details to you, but it's really

856
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: coherent and well written and really in depth.

857
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's Vanity Fair Baby. That's right, that's

858
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: what they do.

859
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: Yep. And since Chuck said it's Vanity Fair Baby, that

860
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: means it's time for a listener mail.

861
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call this Hello from a grateful doc, because

862
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: that's what Doc Twilling says.

863
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: Docor Twilling sounds like the little house in the prairie

864
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: character is.

865
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: Sotal.

866
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Speaker 2: Pop will clear that right up. Hey guys, my name

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Speaker 2: is Chris. I'm a physician from Michigan who's been listening

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Speaker 2: for many years. Initially, I started listening to get through

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Speaker 2: medical school in those long days, and it was a

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Speaker 2: relief to learn about something other than medicine. I recently

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Speaker 2: started listening to the selects on pain scales, which inspired

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Speaker 2: me to write in. As a physician, I'm constantly assessing

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Speaker 2: pain severity to both help make diagnoses and monitor progress

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Speaker 2: as the patient's heal. Most of the ideas you discuss

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Speaker 2: are part of an average workday for me. However, you

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Speaker 2: taught me some new ideas, including the concept that elderly

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Speaker 2: patients may express their pain differently, like they may use

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Speaker 2: words like soreness instead of pain to describe their discomfort.

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Speaker 2: I was intrigued by this and research the idea further,

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy to say I now use this approach

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Speaker 2: to better treat pain in my older adult patients. I

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Speaker 2: love that Doc Chris here researched further and he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: just like Josh and Chuck said it. That's right, Sparrel ahead, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that means doctor Twilling. Doc Twilling is doing the right thing.

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Speaker 1: He's a sharp tech That's right.

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Speaker 2: You guys do a great job of taking complicated subjects

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Speaker 2: and making it easier for everyone to understand. The Explanations

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Speaker 2: for medical shows you give, such as on addiction, diabetes,

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Speaker 2: and high blood pressure help me frame my own explanations

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Speaker 2: to my patients. Communicating complicated topics in a way anyone

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Speaker 2: can understand remains a challenge. But I feel in getting

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Speaker 2: better every day through listening to how you both do it.

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Speaker 1: Man, how about that? Yeah, we're saving lives here, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: in a.

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Speaker 2: Way, so Doc Twilling, Chris Twilling says, if you ever

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Speaker 2: come to the Midwest, I'd love to come see you.

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Speaker 2: So put this on the books, Doc Twilling, if we

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Speaker 2: come through Michigan or anywhere else you can get to,

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Speaker 2: you are on the guest list. Just send us an

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Speaker 2: email from this very email that you sent and remind

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Speaker 2: us a couple of weeks before the show.

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Speaker 1: Very nice, good good thinking, Chuck. If you want to

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Speaker 1: be like Doc Toilling and get in touch with us

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Speaker 1: and let us know how we're affecting lives, saving lives,

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing, we'd love to hear that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff, you can send us an email to Stuff

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Speaker 1: podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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