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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Ben O'Brien here again, and today is a

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Speaker 1: good show. It's a really good show, so thanks for

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Speaker 1: hit and play on however you listen. We've got two

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Speaker 1: of my favorite people, first of which is Charles the

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Speaker 1: Rabbit Man Rodney. Now you'll know Charles from The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: His last episode which is recorded about a year ago.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we talked about his life, we talked about

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Speaker 1: his time. So if you if you don't know Charles Rodney,

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Speaker 1: Charles the Rabbitman Rodney, go back, hit pause right now,

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to that episode and then come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll really appreciate that. If you do know all about Charles,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna love this. This discussion. We had a little

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Speaker 1: Q and A with the Mediator fans and Hunting Collective

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Speaker 1: fans about rabbit hunting, and then I allowed him asked

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Speaker 1: him to give a stump speech to convince everyone to

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Speaker 1: go rabbit hunting. I think it's great. I think he's

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Speaker 1: great man um one of wonderful human beings. Hopefully you

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Speaker 1: can stick around and listen to him. Before that, the Man,

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Speaker 1: talked about rabbit facts the rabbit rut. We talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot of things rabbits in Australia, and then we

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Speaker 1: also talked about race and hunting. It's been a controversial

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Speaker 1: topic for us here at Mediator, but one we want

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Speaker 1: to lean into as intelligently and thoughtfully as we can.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll stick around for that conversation. And then we

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Speaker 1: took some listener feedback and answer some questions there as well.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the show you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a couple of clips from listeners talking about our performance

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Speaker 1: of the show. One's about me being a hipster and

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Speaker 1: one's about Game of Thrones, So please stick around for that.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to all that, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about Federal pretymium ammunition. Now we've we've in the past year,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about Federals t s S

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Speaker 1: turkey load tungsten. Uh. This is just different material on

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Speaker 1: which to make the pellets to kill the turkeys. But

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Speaker 1: there's another material out there, copper, that's just as cool

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Speaker 1: and just as innovative, and Federal makes a line of

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Speaker 1: ammunition called Trophy Copper and it's accurate across really every

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Speaker 1: gun platform I've ever shot it, and I've shot it

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Speaker 1: in thirty ot six, I've shot it in to three.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've shot it across all of you know

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Speaker 1: your major calibers, and I have experience with it going

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Speaker 1: back many years, and I've always found that it penetrates

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Speaker 1: deep man. It'll punch it the hide on a deer

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Speaker 1: or a tough mule deer, or a moose or an elk.

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Speaker 1: I've shot all of those things with the trophy copper

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Speaker 1: over the years. And it's a copper alloy construction, so

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Speaker 1: it delivers he's weight retention. If you see this thing

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Speaker 1: going through ballistic gel, you're gonna have a a slack

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Speaker 1: jawled reaction. So it's it's designed for all the things

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Speaker 1: that we're getting ready to hunt this fall, elk, deer

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Speaker 1: and cheap. But I'll be using it for bear season,

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Speaker 1: and so I have a bear hunt coming up with

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Speaker 1: my dad. You're gonna hear it next week from my

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Speaker 1: dad a little bit on the show, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: got on a bear hunt here in Montana. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be uh lougging along trophy copper to see how they perform.

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Speaker 1: If it's so good, is to get a shot. So

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Speaker 1: head up Federal Premium dot Com check out Trophy Copper.

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Speaker 1: It is cool, real cool. So, without further ado, another

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Speaker 1: episode The Hunt Collective coming at you. Let's go. I

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Speaker 1: guess I grew up on an older road, a pedal

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Speaker 1: to the medals. I always did what I told until

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Speaker 1: apart of the seams. But thank you Jack Daniels. Hey everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Hunting Collective. We're gonna add this one.

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Speaker 1: Five nineteen. We're here in the Meat Eater headquarters with

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Speaker 1: the man himself, Steve rinellas exactly right, the well, I'm

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Speaker 1: Pat Durkin has a piece on our website entitle is

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Speaker 1: it's it's like people think about because there's nothing else

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Speaker 1: to do in the dead of winter, and they'll ditch

427
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: it as soon as the lakes, freeze ice fish. I

428
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: love rabbit hunting though I love eating them. Yeah, I

429
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: love I love everything about it. Man. We had a

430
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: thing around the Super Bowl where we would go, well,

431
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: did this would Old Charles Roundey a few times, go

432
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: kill a messer rabbits, cook up fried rabbit legs for

433
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and to be like this best fried

434
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: chicken ever had, Like that's fucking rabbit. So it's I

435
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: love it. I'd do it if I lived in Unfortunately,

436
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of run around here, although

437
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: there's some distributed around Bozeman. Yeah, they're around you got

438
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot more in other places on the stage

439
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: brush countries, there's a lot more of them, a lot

440
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: of raptors here to kind of pick them up. The

441
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: way it's been explained to me is um when we

442
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: didn't have any game, when when big game in this

443
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: country was you know, largely removed and waterfowl was so down.

444
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: It's like people there was a lot of focus on

445
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: hunting scrolls and rapps, like you hunt scrolls and rabbits

446
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: because that's what was around. You talked to Kevin Murphy

447
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: about that. It's like when I was a kid we

448
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: didn't have like, we really didn't have turkeys, we barely

449
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: had deer. People hunted small game. And then as and

450
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: as we recovered turkeys and deer, you know, they're bigger taste,

451
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: you're more dramatic. You kind of get into like big ones.

452
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: There's like trophy ones and big ones, and everyone just

453
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: sort of switched. And then enthusiasm about scrolls and rabbits

454
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: just went down, down, down, down down because there was

455
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of these you know, higher grade game animals to

456
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: go after. But you know, my old man was doing

457
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: hunting the late forties and uh, they were just they

458
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: were rabbit hunters, the hunter rabbits, my dad did say.

459
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: My dad tells me, he's like, dude, I you know,

460
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: small game rabbits and squirrels, and like when there was

461
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: back where I grew up, pheasants and other upland game,

462
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: that's what they would do. And then they'd hunt deer

463
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: one day, two days a year when opening day rifle season,

464
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: go shoot you a couple of deer and then go

465
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: about your life. And at the same time, they weren't

466
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: shipped for predators, no, And that that's why I mean,

467
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: we're hell on predators. So there's a lot of rabbits,

468
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: and people weren't clean farming yet. Farms were dirty. You

469
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: had a lot of yet big wind rows, a lot

470
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: of crops got left on the ground. Big animals were

471
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: gone because people shot him and at him. Predators were

472
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: gone because everyone knows if you see anything that eats meat,

473
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: shoot it. Well. Yeah, the poliforation of the columns or rabbits, Yeah,

474
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: proliferation of the Kyo past the Mississippi River on into

475
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: every other every place in the damn country has a

476
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: has a ton to do with it. And now I know,

477
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I was doing some looking around about rabbit populations and

478
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: it seems like they're at the time that you're speaking about.

479
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: They were on the rise, but they stabilized over the

480
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: last couple of decades. They seem they seem stable in

481
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: many regions, fluctuated regions that have high predation, but like

482
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: as as a whole, I to feel like it's a

483
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: very stable situation. So I think you've got tons of

484
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: ups and downs. You can just if you're familiar with

485
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: an area, you'll watch the cycles play out, and the

486
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: cycles are well documented. But it's funny most I mean,

487
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's really any Americans. I mean there's

488
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: some very few Americans don't live within a couple hour

489
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: drive of a shipload of rabbits. And they're tasty and

490
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: they're fun. It's fun to hunt. You can get your

491
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: kids into it, you can get I mean, you know,

492
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: old Charles Rodney takes out year old guys and they

493
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: go walk around and the bagels push up a rabbit.

494
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: They shoot it. So I mean he's talking too about

495
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: his distribution to rabbit meat. Yeah, yeah, he shares with

496
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: the community. In fact, we cooked some when we were

497
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: there hanging out. So I mean, it's it's I don't understand.

498
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: I guess I do understand that, you know, living in

499
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: the in the Inner Mountain West, it's like why it's

500
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: not why Elk is more exciting. I get it. I'm

501
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: with you, I understand, But just just to reiterate, like

502
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: if you came, if you got an extra day and

503
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: you want to go rabbit hunt, man, it's it's you're

504
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: gonna have a good time and you're gonna have some

505
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: good meat from the end of it. In the North,

506
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't know about the South. Something that's familiar with

507
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: it more days. What where I grew up more days

508
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: out of the year are rabbit season than not. Yeah,

509
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: it's usually it's usually rabbit season and you're allowed five

510
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: a day. That's dude, you can just live off rabbit meat.

511
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: It opens in whatever hell opens September fifte and runs

512
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: like in the march. If you would come to my

513
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: house and you would eat a little fried rabbit leg,

514
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: you would want to hunt. You would want to kill

515
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: five a day for thirty days a year. It's delicious,

516
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: little potato salad, a little green being cast wise. It's great. Hunters,

517
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: chicken hunter, hunters, chicken. Um I met. I once met

518
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: a guy in New Zealand who was he was a

519
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: rabbit man down there. He worked on one of these

520
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: big sheep stations. I was out there with the remy

521
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: warren hunting, followed deer and we came across we leave,

522
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: and we came across this dude who was riding like

523
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: a dirt bike and he had a big helmet on

524
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: with a spotlight on top of his helmet. He had

525
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: gloves on made of rabbit high and we we came

526
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: up on this guy with what the hell is going on?

527
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: We get out we started talking to him. Turns out

528
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: He is the paid rabbit hunter on the sheep station,

529
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: which in our parlmans be like acre piece of property.

530
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: They run sheep on it and there's fallow deer and

531
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: bunch of other non natives running around. There are so

532
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: many rabbits on this sheep station. It's in the South Aisland,

533
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: New Zealand. This guy for the last I can't want

534
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: to I was making some notes twenty six years I

535
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: think it was the time we were there. Was killing

536
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: over three rabbits a night as his job. So he

537
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: would start when it got dark and the end when

538
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: it got light because the grazing competition, because of grazing,

539
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: and they would literally they would put up a fence

540
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: on the sheep station and the rabbits would literally chew

541
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: it to the ground and one day they would dig

542
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: it out and it would fall over. That's how many

543
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: rabbits were there. This guy for twenty six years. He

544
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: had a book of every day how many rabbits he

545
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: killed every day, every work day for twenty six years.

546
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: That was his job on this ranch. And he had

547
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: killed like over two million rabbits and time with a

548
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: roll around with a twenty two and a shotgun four

549
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: ten and a twenty two and he had a little

550
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: scabbard on each side of his dirt bike rolling around

551
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: just boom boom, not picking him up, not do anything

552
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: with him, just shooting all night long. Yeah. And then

553
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: you go to the owners of the sheep station. They

554
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: were like, yep, the rabbit shooter, Like the what now

555
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: the rabbit? Zero predation, zero predation. And so I was

556
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: looking that up. I didn't find a whole lot about

557
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: New Zealand. But it's the same in Australia. And in

558
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty nine there's a guy, a landowner there who

559
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: put twenty four wild rabbits from England and he released

560
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: him so he could hunt them. So it's like, what

561
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: the hell, maybe they'll will This would be great, this

562
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: would be great. They put him in, put him in

563
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: the Australia and then by the nineteen twenties, seventy years later,

564
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: there was ten billion rabbits on that on that island

565
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: on the continent of Australia. Like rabbits, like fan like rabbits.

566
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: You see rabbit proof fence, Yes, they have actually in

567
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the story, the government recently has built over a thousand

568
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: mile long rabbit proof fence. Yeah, there's a movie rabbit

569
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Proof Fence, and I'm just telling your listeners here. It's

570
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: about some Aboriginal girls right to get taken away, Australian

571
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Aboriginal girls to get taken away and sent to be educated,

572
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: taken away from home and sent away, and they escape.

573
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: They wind up in this abusive environment and they escape

574
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: and they hit the fence and they know the fence

575
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: runs through their community. I think it might be based

576
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: on a true story and they recognized the fence. Yeah,

577
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: and it's just their journey. Like you mentioned a book

578
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: not long ago, and good books follow the river. It's

579
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: like follow the river, but follow the rabbit proof. The

580
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: journey is just know if they follow that fence, that

581
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: must they assume correctly that it would lead to their village.

582
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Follow the rivers one of my I think I've read

583
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: that thing like six times. But yeah, follow the rabbit

584
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: proof fence. But that's it just struck me as I

585
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: was doing my rabbit research that that that stat And

586
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: then so you ten billion in nineteen twenty and then

587
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: um down to two point five million, no doubt, sorry

588
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: two million around now. And the government it spends millions

589
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: of dollars um every year trying to curb the rabbit

590
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: problem in Australia and so so just be glad we

591
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: don't have that. H Is it popular to eat him there?

592
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it from what I've seen. It wasn't.

593
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: It didn't like I said, I mean, if if if

594
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: it's me and I'm shooting three, if I'm the rabbit

595
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: shooter in the New Zealand sheep station, I'm gonna say

596
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: some of the meat. Oh, you get a little sick

597
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: of it, I know, But dude, there's I mean, there's

598
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: something you could do with it. A picture that like

599
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia there are country us are people like

600
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: to eat rat. Yeah, you know, everybody's oh it's a delicacy,

601
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: but people like to eat rat. Now, if you're here

602
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: in the US and you meet a guy and he's like, oh,

603
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: he's a rat exterminator, you're thinking, well, obviously he's not

604
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: eating these rats. He's a rat exterminator. Someone in some

605
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: other part of the world will be like, man, that's great,

606
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: that's great. Imagine all that rat meat. So us thinking

607
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: like that's the best announ Yeah, So for us about

608
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: some guy in Australia, they we're like, oh, yeah, those

609
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: are pretty good. Eat you should be eating us. Bro,

610
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: you get five a day. He's like, well I get

611
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: three a night. Nope, nope, don't even don't even All right,

612
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: that's enough about rabbits. Um you could get on on

613
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: that subfing the subject of rabbits. I felt like that

614
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: was a good analogy. Is a good way to end it.

615
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: Um got a couple were This is the first episode

616
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: ever of the show where we're actually I didn't play him.

617
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: It just didn't play him. For Steve, We're gonna start

618
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: including I've been asking you guys all to send in

619
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: some real quick, one minute long kind of comments and

620
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: reviews of the show. How are you having people submit those?

621
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: Well that just talking their phone onto like notes, send

622
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: your voice and just just kind of send email me

623
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: that And I've got se said, here's how you gotta

624
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: do it. I just told him that's how you gotta

625
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: do it, because I feel like we could have set

626
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: up a voicemail or something. But you know that the

627
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: recordings sound good. Yeah, they sounded good to you. Played

628
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: for me the person that one person that put quite

629
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: a bit of thought into it. Oh, and it was

630
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: like very articulate, maybe like if we ever give a

631
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: listener a podcast, this guy might be in the running.

632
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: You'll hear that later on, you know, if he was

633
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: winging it or not, because it sounds it sounded like

634
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: he had thought it out and it was based on

635
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: our Game Thrones conversation. It was a conversation about television

636
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: TV and he really thought it out. You're gonna play

637
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: that later. That's gonna come at the end of the show.

638
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: So from here on in the history of the Hunting Collective,

639
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: you that will play a couple of those at the

640
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: end of every episode. That's a good idea. Go out,

641
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: go out with a bang, or go out with the lease.

642
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: And I do would encourage you. If you don't like

643
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: the show, please please put that too. But all the

644
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: ones I've got the far positive, so sprinkling the negative

645
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: one or two will play those. Um. But we also

646
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: got some email stuff. I did set up th HC

647
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: at the mediator dot com and you guys have been

648
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: flooding it. Uh. I think well trained by Steve to

649
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: flood email inboxes with good commentary. Um. And last episode

650
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: we had, we did nail about women and hunting, and

651
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: my big thing was kind of like, hey, women, hunting great.

652
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Let's not go down the insta Instagram hunters is the

653
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: hunting with pink and all those types of things. Let's

654
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: really try not to generalize the motivations of female hunters

655
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: and or pander to them to get them to come

656
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: over and go hunting, or normalize what we do. UM.

657
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: This guy, Dan Daniels wrote in He's Like, he's a

658
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: father of five. He's got um three girls and two boys,

659
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: and all of them enjoy hunting, fishing, And he says,

660
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: I have a little personal perspective that I want to

661
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: share with you. Try not to be too dismissive when

662
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: discussing the power of pink as it pertains to hunting

663
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: and girls. My eight year old wanted to came out

664
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: jacket so badly for her birthday. I figured that it

665
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: would be an you get, but she specifically wanted a

666
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: camera jacket with a little pink in it. She's proud

667
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: to be a hunting girl, but doesn't want to be tomboyish.

668
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: It was important. It was important enough for her to

669
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: mention that. To me. When I think about it, there

670
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: are plenty of men who truly cherished the fashion component

671
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: of camera clothing too. UM, it's a good point. But

672
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: it's like as we try to discuss women and hunting,

673
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: there's lots of there's lots of in roads here. There's

674
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: lots of complexities and nuances and things to things discuss.

675
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I get taken the wrong way in

676
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: conversations about pink you from the comedian David Chappelle. Oh yeah, okay.

677
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: David Chappelle gotten a lot of trouble for making some jokes,

678
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: making transgender jokes. Um. And he later clarified something where

679
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: he said, this is Dave Chappelle talking. If you want

680
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: to go, he's go ontix like trying to as best

681
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: I can articulate the perspectives when who's not me but

682
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: someone else, And he had he was sensitive to the

683
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: criticism obviously, and he's got a bit in one of

684
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: his stand up routines where he says, um, I feel

685
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: that everyone should have the right to live they want

686
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: the way they want to live, and be safe and

687
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: secure and be fully protected by the law. I can

688
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: still think it's funny something like that. Uh. I when

689
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: we talk about when we talk about like if my

690
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: let me put it this way, if my daughter, who

691
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: probably will very soon, when she she caught wind of

692
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: camp pink camel, she would want pink camp if she

693
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: caught wind of it. Everything else she wants to have

694
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: that color. She when she finds out about it, because

695
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: she has a regular camel jacket. What she loves, she'll

696
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: find out about it, She'll want it. I will get

697
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: it for her. Okay. When I talk about the pink

698
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: or like the the shrink it and pink it or that,

699
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm not talking. I'm not criticizing people's desire for it.

700
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm just criticizing how we came to be in a

701
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: situation in the big way, like culturally, how we came

702
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: to be in a situation where we're sort of like

703
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: debating pink. That part is strange to me. That did

704
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: It's like that that Like I think it's so bad

705
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: that I came like articularly perspective. I'm not if I

706
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: see someone wear in hot pink hunting, I'm not like, oh,

707
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: I wish bad things would happen to you. I'm more like, wow,

708
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: that is so strange, Like this thing like that, this

709
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: color it became like a gender color, and the conversation

710
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: is infiltrated the honey world. It's just funny to me. Well,

711
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: and so we and you've talked about in your podcast

712
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: a good bit. There's laws where people are was at

713
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Washington stage or something. They're just the governor, which who

714
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: is not a hunter, just signed in the law the ability.

715
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: We're hot pink. I'm glad he did it. It's still

716
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: funny to me. It's just funny that like, yeah, but

717
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, governor today, we have you know, and

718
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: here's a sign your docket and you explain all like

719
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 1: security risks and everything going out. Oh and by the way,

720
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: a bus crash. We need you to sign this here law.

721
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, he's probably like, uh, come again. Now. I

722
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: feel like this all comes down to, and I really

723
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: do feel it comes down to, like us trying to

724
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: address the issue of women and hunting in any way

725
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: that we can, and if we create more things that

726
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: might attract this young lady or your young lady girl,

727
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: and and that at that age, it's like if we

728
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: create more of those things, will get more of them, right.

729
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the equation that we're thinking about, And

730
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: that's what I what I feel when I wanted to

731
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: say pandering, Like if we're saying if we create more like, oh,

732
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: women weekends and all. But as I've talked to, you know,

733
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: women about this and just just kind of like broke

734
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: it down to him, like I don't know how to

735
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: approach you about this, so hopefully this can be a

736
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: good conversation. They're always saying like, I love women's kinds,

737
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: I love women weekends. Huh. I wish there was more

738
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I wish there was more women um

739
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: shop owners in the hunting space, and more women retail

740
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: associates at big box stores. I wish I could spend

741
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: more time with women because it's more relatable. I was,

742
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: and in this case, my daughter really loves pink Camo,

743
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: But then there's other women are like five. I just

744
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: want to be a normal hunter. I just want to

745
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: be I just want to be able to walk on

746
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: a room and have a conversation just like with you

747
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: and not have to be talking about this stuff. That's

748
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit what I'm getting at. There's

749
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: two final points. One, I almost want to stop talking

750
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: about it because we had a we recently did an episode,

751
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: an episode of live episode, and we had six men

752
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: on stage, and we had six men and we're talking

753
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: about pink and and female hunter participation, and Anthony Lecada

754
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: pointed out, once they're six people. If there's six individuals

755
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: talking about that, some of them women, you've got six,

756
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: you got six. The numbers, I would point out that, Um,

757
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: had there been a woman there, we would have in

758
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: terms of percentages of hunters, we would be overrepresented. Yeah,

759
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: we would have had to at least have the tenth represented,

760
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: so we would have overrepresented. But that's good. It's good

761
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: to overrepresent. So in a little way, I'm like, Okay,

762
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang it up and only talk about when

763
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: i'm talking. But when we've talked about it, when we've

764
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: had women on to talk about it, they also expressed

765
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: this thing that like, uh, that's not what like pink,

766
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: isn't the thing that makes me not feel welcome. A

767
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: thing that makes me not feel welcome is guys. And

768
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. There's nine of them. To me.

769
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Carmen van Bianchi, we had around You Go Listen as

770
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: a media podcast episode. Carmen van Bianki came on and

771
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: we were kind of talking about her becoming a hunter

772
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: and she said there's two um that she was sort

773
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: of typifying her in her actions with the men in

774
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: the woods. When she's by herself and she runs into guys,

775
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: there's what in the world are you doing here? Dismissiveness,

776
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: and then there's um, little lady, let me help you

777
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: find your way back home there, you know, and she's like,

778
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: it was rarely, like no one would ever just meet

779
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: her and say, um, how's it going? He seeing any

780
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: she said, it was always different. Yeah, I mean I

781
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: was always like, wow, you're here, girl out in the woods,

782
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: which is really only gonna change as more of them

783
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: because most people aren't hip to these conversations we're having

784
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: about how we ought to act. People just generally are

785
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: going along with how people act, and so until it's

786
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: like common to run into women, you can't expect most

787
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: people who aren't like really aggressively engaged in cultural dialogues

788
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: to just be a little bit surprised. Well, that's it.

789
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: So I had three episodes ago. I had Dr Livy

790
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: Metcalf from the University of Montana, and she's a social scientist,

791
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: and she had did a whole study on women's motive

792
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: nations and hunting and most of like and and a

793
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: lot of that was like what are the roadblocks and

794
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: she starts listening out the roadboxes. It's most things you

795
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: would know, it's mostly I have to do with the

796
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: current group of people that are doing the thing, predominantly

797
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: doing the thing, and their predisposition to be either like

798
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: complacent about your existence, dismissive about your existence, or pandering

799
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: about your exactly like those those realities. That's exactly what

800
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: you're saying. It's like, that's this person did a whole

801
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: study about it and basically came to the obvious conclusion that, like,

802
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of different Like there's a whole

803
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: lot of men that don't understand what a woman would

804
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: want when she steps into the ring to be a hunter,

805
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: you know what else goes on, and don't even know

806
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: how to navigate this. I can go I'll go home

807
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: with guys all the time, guys my age. It would

808
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: be like being married. It's just it's a weird thing,

809
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: and I can't really explain it's it's I don't even

810
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: know if it's horrible that it's this way. But if

811
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: I were to meet, if I already become friendly with um,

812
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: like a stranger, I mean, like a female hunter, and

813
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: we become friendly, it would be there's like a there's

814
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: an obstacle in saying, hey, right, she's married, I'm married.

815
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: There's this a cultural obstacle to me saying, hey, do

816
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: you want to go away for the weekend to go honey?

817
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: It's like it should maybe it shouldn't be it shouldn't

818
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: be that way. I'll just come out and say it

819
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that way. But it's just exists. Man, Yeah,

820
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's just there. And I don't I'm not like,

821
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do about the fact that's there,

822
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: but it's there. There's a thing that's there when you

823
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: say do you want to come with me and my

824
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: body and and spend a weekend out married person of

825
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: the opposite spend a weekend out fishing. It's just because

826
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: then there's a lot for people to unpack, or a

827
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: lot to unpack. There's a lot to untangle, not only

828
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: the two individuals that are taking part of the honey,

829
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: all the people around them. They're like, did you discover

830
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: three days into the wilds of wherever? With two dudes?

831
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: It's not even your own sensitivities. It's not like you're

832
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I can't um the temptations of the

833
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: flesh would be too much for me to handle. You

834
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: might be like, dude, I'm interested no one but my wife,

835
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: But what's her husband gonna think? Yeah, I don't know

836
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: my wife. I've done some of that, Like you've done

837
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: that taking new folks on. My wife knows. She's like,

838
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: what's my wife? But my wife's like secure, Like we're

839
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: secure enough. My wife's the same way. But it's like,

840
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: but there's not I can't imagine a whole lot of

841
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: situations where it's like that. And then yeah, and then

842
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: you got some dude he's like, oh, bro, you asked

843
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: my wife away for the weekend. It's just like a funny.

844
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's like, it's just it's complicated, dude.

845
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: It is. That's that's that's that could be the name

846
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: of this podcast. It's complicated, dude. Um. There's another guy

847
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: that wrote in his name is Dylan lacquer l A

848
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Speaker 1: A k E r U. S. Army. Thanks for your

849
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Speaker 1: servis um you I recently heard share something with through

850
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: your please. I met a woman who wanted to get

851
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: a book signed for her husband who's a pilot in

852
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: the military, and I wrote, is that the awesome thing

853
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: we're at and in the and she's explaining he couldn't

854
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: be here, you know, he's he's stationed overseas. She wants

855
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: to set in the book and in there I wrote,

856
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: thank you for your service. I think I think about it,

857
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: like and I said to her, you know what I'm

858
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: gonna ask you something, Uh is that do? Is that

859
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: get a little old for people? And she says, you

860
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: know what's funny you bring it up? For for for

861
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: some service members it is because it's Um, he feels

862
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't say that he's doing a selfless thing.

863
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: He made a career choice. Um, it's it's his profession

864
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: he's doing. He does it because he loves it, he

865
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: loves his mission. Um, it wasn't just a selfless act.

866
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Like it's the thing he wants to do and believes

867
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: in doing. And it's not, Uh, he doesn't feel the needs.

868
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: You don't need to thank him. Yeah, these are of these.

869
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: And then I asked I turned around and asked another

870
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: because I was with it. I was actually with a

871
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: guy from the Navy, and I floated it to him

872
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what I heard. That's kind

873
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: of like messing me up because I run around saying

874
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: that all the time. And he was like, yeah, it's

875
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, this kind of thing where we

876
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: don't need I don't need that all the time. Yeah,

877
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm fine just being that I'm here, I'm in the military. Um,

878
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: we can just be, we can have a normal interaction.

879
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: You don't need to thank me. Well, this guy, this

880
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: guy is a biologist in the U. S. Army Corps

881
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: of Engineers and Environmental Planning, So I don't imagine there's

882
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: a whole lot of danger involved in that particular. Thanks

883
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: for your service and environmental planning, bro. But people I'm

884
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: sure you way more than me, but they like thanks

885
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: for what you do, you know, thank you for your

886
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: podcast or thank you for whatever. And I feel the

887
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: same way. I'm like whatever, you know. But I realized

888
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: But he I caught myself because I realized, this is

889
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: like the thing. Yeah, it's just the thing you met

890
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: someone had a moment. Yeah, And you're like, well, dude, man,

891
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: it sounds like you've been through some really challenging sit

892
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: you Asians like, I want to like, honestly, thank you

893
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: for what you did, and I know you did it

894
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: for your own reasons, but that has implications for my life.

895
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: And that's like in our country, you know, our country

896
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: sent you to do something, thank you for going and

897
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: doing that, because that had to have been off or

898
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: great or whatever. But it's differently just being like flipping

899
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: like I thank it for your service, which I just do.

900
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: And now I questioned myself. I think it's I think

901
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: they could see it as very flippant and like as

902
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: a way to kind of get through, Oh, you're in

903
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: the army, thank for your service. Let's talk about something

904
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: different rather than like where were you at, where did

905
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: you serve? What did you do? As a way to

906
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: just kind of skip skip over whatever details are in there,

907
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: whatever murky details might be there. So then the dude

908
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: later got this book and he probably looked at it,

909
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: rolled his eyes fucking ronella. Um, all right, let's see

910
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: this guy wrote in and I'm not gonna read the

911
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: whole thing, but if he made some very very good

912
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: points about folks have out in your pockets. And I

913
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: wondered And when I read this, I immediately thought it.

914
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I wonder what Steve and think

915
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: about this. He's talking about uh in in it's talking

916
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: about why don't we have more people on the podcast

917
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: that differ specifically differ from the way that we think

918
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: about things like why does it seem that you know,

919
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: he he brought up my conversation with how Herring and

920
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Shane Mahoney and others. Why does it seem that we're

921
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: always kind of drawn to or having people on that

922
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: either agree with us or that we're exploring topics that

923
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: we agree on. Um, And he said, I would I

924
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: would have, really, I really want you and I have

925
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: talked to others about your show. Really wants you to

926
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: can look at the other side, which I'm going to do.

927
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if that's I don't even

928
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: know if that's a really legitimate observation. I want to

929
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: ask you, okay, us say you're watching ESPN, do you

930
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: feel that they should have a lot of people on

931
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: who hate sports. No, it's like the people they like sports. Yeah,

932
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: they disagree about little asked, Oh, I think this is

933
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Oh no, he's nothing compared to this quarterback.

934
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: But the fundamental allegiances, it's a good point, are there

935
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: because you deal you're you're sort of like taking for granted. Um,

936
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: you're sort of like taking for granted, like some baseline

937
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: you taking. There's some baseline things that people are gonna

938
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: agree with on baseline things that people are gonna agree to.

939
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know how specific is getting. But I

940
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: have conversations all the time on the show with people

941
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: who I don't see, I die with, but our differences

942
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: are kind of drowned out a little bit by our similarities,

943
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: even though we spend a lot of time focused on

944
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: the differences. But it's it's a conversation, it's not a showdown.

945
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: So if you're watching the kind of news program where

946
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: they where their producer will go find the most too

947
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed individuals in the draw, there is to watch

948
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: these diametrically opposed individuals face off in a violent interaction.

949
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: Or if you go on YouTube like watch this, you know,

950
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson destroys liberal professor. Well, people love that. They

951
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: love that video of you and the v people love it.

952
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: So the thing that you show so people, yeah, people

953
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: like it. It's rewarding to people. But typically conversations are

954
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: such that UM, Typically conversations in person conversations tend to

955
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: be where there's a civility. UM there's a civility which

956
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: you kind of dance. You sort of have a little

957
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: bit of dance around things that you don't agree with,

958
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: even to the point where you might even joke about

959
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: things you don't agree with. But it's just a different

960
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: format than setting up showdowns. Yeah, and I think you

961
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: had I'm having Robert C. Jones the Vegan. Well that's

962
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: the that's like a case of diametrically opposed. Yeah, so

963
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that conversation. You had him in Stars

964
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: in the Sky, um, and I thought his contribution to

965
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: that was great to kind of set up, like I

966
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: think a lot of people that watch, well, that's what

967
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: he's talking. That's what the guy writing in diametrically ap

968
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: poll's perspective. He exactly asked for that, like get a

969
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: vegan on, get somebody that And you had somebody that

970
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: is is pro state land transfer wrong? And Rob Bishop

971
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: and so that's what he wants more of. And but

972
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: even then he's he's he's the face yea of land transfer.

973
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: But sitting and talking to him, if you were passively listening,

974
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have thought, Man, these two are at each

975
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: other's throat because there's a civility of conversation that you

976
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: almost have to listen carefully to catch where we're different.

977
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: We just had a wolf biologist on, and there's some

978
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: things I don't see eye eye on with the wolf biologists.

979
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: But we didn't turn into a fight. Yeah. And I

980
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: think people are trained, like you said, by Network News

981
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: and the way that they And there's a thing in

982
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: sports now at brace Embrace debate and where people just

983
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: get on and yell at each other about topics for

984
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: and like intentionally disagree he shouldn't have won the HIG.

985
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: That's whole shows about that. In fact, ESPN and other things.

986
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: I was just trafficked in that for something look for it. Yeah,

987
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: it's just like playing a big cast. Yeah, it's playing

988
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: on people's basis, basis based or instincts. It's like, oh,

989
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: a black guy and a white guy and educated like

990
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: are gonna yell at each other about sports? You know.

991
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the show. And it just seems you know,

992
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: it seems played out to me, and that's just not

993
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's how your personality is. That's not

994
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: how mine is. I don't walk in the room somebody

995
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: disagree with him to go run at him and try

996
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: to argue it out. I'm gonna come my similarities first,

997
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: and I work my way towards what we gotta cover

998
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: that might be different. Rogan head on Joe Rogan had

999
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: on the Joe Rogan experience, he had on the CEO

1000
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: of Twitter, Jack something uh not Dorsey or Jack Dorsey.

1001
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of he got. Joe got some

1002
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: blowback he did, you know, because he didn't um push

1003
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: him hard enough on certain issues. And I remember I

1004
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: was reading a writer who was I can't remember who

1005
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: the writer was. The writer was talking about this minor

1006
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: controversy and the writer explained, like, Joe Rogan is a conversationalist.

1007
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: He facilitates facilitating a conversation and allowing people to come

1008
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: speak for themselves. That's not if you're asking for like

1009
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: hard hitting journalism. It's not him. Don't go look at

1010
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: a gifted and professional conversationalist. It's just different, you know,

1011
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: Like he comes with a different set of obligations. Is like,

1012
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: you're not sitting down like I'm gonna call this guy out.

1013
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: It just doesn't flow like that. And I'd have had

1014
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: people in personal conversations and in our industry say like

1015
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you don't have If you don't

1016
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: agree with somebody, why you else go at them like

1017
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: because that's just not me And it's a conversation, Like

1018
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't. If it's a debate, I'll set it up

1019
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: and tell you what it's going to be. And in

1020
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: fact it's a debate, I'll probably be the one moderating

1021
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: and not the one in it, just the way that

1022
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: I am. But it's it's not a I appreciate him

1023
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: pushing for it because I think some people just want

1024
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: to hear too, like educate to people on a subject,

1025
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: show down and kind of see which one wins out,

1026
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: and that's kind of that's fun sometimes to go this

1027
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: is not what I would to be involved in. Last thing,

1028
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: Adam Schumacher, Right, and you do you like peas? Steve?

1029
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: Are you food? The food? Yeah? Not the letter? I don't.

1030
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: Just I know you hate him, Yeah I don't. I

1031
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: don't have a strong well. I grow them, and when

1032
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: you get uh homegrown peas, it's fun because you grow them,

1033
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: grow anything. If I didn't grow peas, I could go

1034
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: honestly months without eating peas, and I can't think of

1035
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: having ever. I should say ever, in the last several years,

1036
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I've never walked into a

1037
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: store and walked out with the peas. But I grown

1038
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: because it's like things that grow. And you live in

1039
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: a spot where it's like peas grow there, and it's

1040
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: it's easy to grow them, so you grow them and

1041
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: eat them. You eat Hi because you grew him. Yeah,

1042
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: you're growing him because you want to eat. Peas grow

1043
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: because you just want to grow ship. And I'm not

1044
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: diametrically posted the existence of the pe just to taste

1045
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: of the texture and its inclusion and anything that I like.

1046
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: It's been years I bought. Yeah, perfect, you're on my side.

1047
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm putting you on my side. I buy carrots, lots

1048
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: of cats. I rarely walk out of the grocery store,

1049
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: not with a carrot. Really, you're always having a carrot.

1050
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: Kids like carrots. I do. The cucumber always a cute

1051
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: because I grow cucumbers. I like to you can say cuke,

1052
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I like that, should you? But p I never go

1053
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: to the p ile. We're sitting in the Pea Canary

1054
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: District post. It's very ironical. Um, all right, this guy,

1055
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: this fella here, I asked Anthony Locado. I had him

1056
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: on a couple episodes ago. If you could only do

1057
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: one thing for the rest of your life, hunt or fish,

1058
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: like you had to pish fish. Yeah, that's why I

1059
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: knew you were fish. But this kround. Yeah, this guy,

1060
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: I said, maating that exactly, was like, dude, Uh, Anthony said,

1061
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: hunt and it's because of food. He's like, bullshit, dude.

1062
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: I assume the current season harves strip in Germain. I

1063
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: can only hunt a few months of the year, and

1064
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: granted a couple of deer can last a long time.

1065
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: I go fishing every day of the year and the

1066
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: theoretically keep myself on protein. No problem. Ye, fish year round. Yeah,

1067
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get some kids. You can fish

1068
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: as your an old you can fish as an old man.

1069
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: You fish a little kids, fishy, it's good for you,

1070
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: it's good to eat. I'm assuming fishing also includes like, uh,

1071
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: got you crayfish, crab trap and I'll give you. I

1072
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: put that in there any water based a doubt in

1073
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: my mind. Yep. So this this Adam, Thank you, Adam.

1074
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: I I agree with that, even though I'm not a

1075
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: big fisherman. Although I feel like ice fishing might become

1076
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: a thing that I like, like maybe five years down

1077
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: the road, you'll talk to me and I'll be like

1078
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: an expert ice angler depends on how cold winter gets.

1079
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: Damn right, All right, Stephen, we're gonna go. We're gonna

1080
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: transfer the conversation all the way over to Maryland to

1081
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: Mr Charles rod Need, the rabbit Man. We're talking, rabbits,

1082
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: were cooking, We're doing a bunch of crazy things. One

1083
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite humans. And we continue this awesome conversation

1084
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: with Charles Rodney right now. And you're gonna hear from

1085
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: a listener who explains why some shows go to ship

1086
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: and so I don't. Right after that, and then somebody

1087
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: and a guy who is I don't know if he's

1088
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: arguing for me being hips or not, but he's given

1089
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: some warnings. You're saying, I'm not Kip sure. I like

1090
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: this guy. Here we go. I guess I grew up

1091
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: on an all day brow. Charles Rodney, how are you, sir?

1092
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. We're here and uh in my home

1093
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: back of my home state, and you're stomping grounds. It's

1094
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: glad to be here there. I could smell on cooking

1095
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: on the stove, something pretty delicious. Yes, I'm cooking a

1096
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: stud Louisiana style rabbit for Ben. You know we're gonna

1097
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: eat that along with some Louisiana cooking cooked red beans.

1098
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: We got a salad, and we got a whole Louisiana

1099
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: pecan prolins. Hey, folks, I'm I'm sorry to tell you this,

1100
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: but it's good stuff. And you know, only Ben and

1101
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: I and my wife will share in this. And a

1102
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: lemon meringue pie because he's a special person. And my

1103
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: wife made some homemade lemonades, fresh squeeze, and a and

1104
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: a vegetable salad. So we're gonna peek out a boy.

1105
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: We would me this may be a real short podcast,

1106
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: but we might have to adopt human Keith. I'd stay

1107
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: here with you. I stay here. You've got some room.

1108
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: I probably i'd sleep on the floor for that kind

1109
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: of There's three rooms there, and three grown kids grew

1110
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: up here and they're gone, so we have an emptiness.

1111
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: As they say, I'm like a grown kid, that's for sure. Well,

1112
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 1: thanks for having me back in your home. We last

1113
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: time we chatted, we're sit at this table and it

1114
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: was episode number thirty of The Hunting Collective. An now

1115
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: we're in the sixties, so you're But as a return guest,

1116
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: I would say our conversation was one of the more

1117
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: popular ones that I've had, and I think I could

1118
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: determine why. But I there's some some elements of it,

1119
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: and we're talking with Steven Ronell about this before. There's

1120
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: some elements of it that are just interesting, like your

1121
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: upbringing in Louisiana. You're growing up in segregation, coming to

1122
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: where you came to and speaking rather inspiringly about bringing

1123
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: people together and what you did for a vocation. Um.

1124
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: I think that's why people love it. And you're also

1125
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: just a badass rabbit hunter. But beyond that, people loved it.

1126
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to start by letting you know

1127
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: that well, good good, I appreciate it. I I read

1128
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: many of the comments that were on Instagram and they

1129
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: were all positive, and people had all kinds of great

1130
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: things to say that they'd love to meet men. I

1131
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: could be the guy down the street that D see

1132
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: every day but didn't know that did this stuff, and

1133
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: and that that was real cool. Those comments made me

1134
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: feel real good, and they came from all over the world,

1135
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: believe it or not. Uh too distinct. One one from

1136
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: a gentleman in in in England, and another one from

1137
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,479
Speaker 1: a gentleman in New Zealand, and a bunch all over

1138
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: the states here. So that was pretty cool, now, it was.

1139
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: It's great to see. And I think we we think

1140
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: about rabbit hunting is down the list of things to

1141
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: do as a hunter. A lot of people think of

1142
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: elk and white tails and and and anything else. But

1143
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: I can tell people we talked about this last time.

1144
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: It's hard to have less. It's like, it's hard to

1145
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: have more fun than and run around in the fields

1146
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: with you and your beagles, I mean, And and it's

1147
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to find meat that's as tasty and plentiful

1148
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: as rabbits. That is true. You know, people come in

1149
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: hunt with me, and the lists gets longer each year.

1150
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: My wife keep telling me only one person, Well, the

1151
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: list is probably pretty well been cut off. I got

1152
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: about four people I met this past year, and I

1153
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: told him I would take them out one time. But

1154
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: many of these gentlemen and we all respect what the

1155
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: other one does. You know. Uh, some of these guys

1156
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: go all over the world hunting all sorts of things,

1157
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: and that's great. And a friend of mine Jeff Crane

1158
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: who was on the program, uh some time back. Jeff

1159
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: just came back from Mexico and he's trying to kill

1160
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: the top six turkeys. I think to call it the

1161
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: world the World Slam, and he got he got one

1162
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: in Mexico, I think called the Google. So he's got

1163
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: to go to the Yucatan. He told me to get

1164
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: one more. But when Jeff comes out and hunt with me,

1165
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: he comes to hunt and have fun. And he's a

1166
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: great guy and he's a great shot, as well as

1167
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: many other people who come out and they say, I've

1168
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: hunted all sorts of things. I didn't know this stuff

1169
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: was this much fun. And they have as much fun

1170
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: or more when they missed a close easy shot than

1171
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: the one they kill and the I d and I

1172
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: tell people listening Carle sart of my motto, My aim

1173
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: is for you to have some fun, for us to

1174
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: myself and the dogs to bring some rabbits in front

1175
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: of you, for you to hopefully get a shot if

1176
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: you're paying attention, and if you kill, it's on you,

1177
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: and if you miss, it's on you. And we're gonna

1178
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: get teased. There's a lot of teasing there is. It's

1179
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: it's like anything else. It's good teasing and and and

1180
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: so forth. And the guys, Uh, the guys under understanding,

1181
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: and they appreciate it, and some of them look for it.

1182
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: And then they teased me about some of my antics.

1183
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: A couple of guys said, we come out half the

1184
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: time is to watch you. He said, it's like a

1185
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: like a TV program or circus, because I'm working the

1186
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: dogs and I'm yelling and talking to the dogs and

1187
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: they're responding. And somebody said, how do you get the

1188
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: dogs to listen to you and to respond to your commands?

1189
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: I said, because they're good dogs. They're they're pure bred dogs.

1190
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: They're well trained. I work them in the offseason. I

1191
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: talked to him in the yard when they and the pens,

1192
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: and they they're treated well, uh with with with the

1193
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: dog medicines and good food. And I've bought good dogs

1194
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: from quality people, and they work and they perform and

1195
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: they aimed the pleas. So a lot of guys just

1196
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: come and enjoy and many times some of them don't

1197
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: even want the rabbits or eat the rabbits. So but

1198
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: we have a great time and and we're safe. So

1199
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: that's a cool thing. Now, let's give some the folks

1200
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: because we've got I figured for this, for this podict.

1201
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: We've got so many questions that people are asking about

1202
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: rabbit hunting specifically for you to answer. Um, but I

1203
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: have one thing we need to do. Just imagine that

1204
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: I would miss a rabbit, which of course I never

1205
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: have done. Did I not? Did I miss anyone? We

1206
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: were together. I think you that hunt we had, uh,

1207
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: you went over your limit, but we were still within

1208
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: the possession as a group. And I think you did

1209
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: excellent that day. You you killed five or six out

1210
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: of fourteen, and that is good. That's real good, that's excellent.

1211
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: If I, if I did miss any I probably it

1212
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: was probably the m O or what. Just imagine though,

1213
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: if I was to miss something, miss a rabbit, why

1214
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: why would you say to me, like what what would

1215
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: be your way to chide me? For? Well, if that

1216
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: rabbit came at you, and yeah, we saw him coming,

1217
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: and it's your shots, So he's coming on your side,

1218
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: your little territory on the side of the field. Because

1219
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: each of the hunter's got a territory to shoot for safety,

1220
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: for safety of the dogs and safety of the other hunters.

1221
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: So if we're watching and the rabbit is running on

1222
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: near you, depending on how fast he's going, and you

1223
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: miss him and say, oh, man, what's wrong. The barrels crooked?

1224
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: There's no shelly. Now you forgot you bought shells without

1225
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: pellets in it. Uh, something like that, Uh, what's wrong?

1226
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: You need to get your eyes clean. Didn't get enough sleep?

1227
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: Where my contact? Yeah? Yeah, So they'll talk and and

1228
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: if you try to answer, that only gets more teasing

1229
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: and so forth. Uh. And I say something like I

1230
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: don't see you're shooting Charles. Yeah. Well, A lot of

1231
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: times guys will say, don't talk about me missing. You

1232
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: missed two? I said, well I do. I've been doing

1233
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: this for sixty one years, and and I do. I

1234
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: miss some close one In particular, most people are gonna

1235
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: miss the one where he's coming straight at you. You're

1236
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: standing on a pathway and he's coming straight at you

1237
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: looks like a hundred miles per hour, and you're shooting

1238
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: at him and you're unloading, and he's still running and

1239
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: he runs right past you and you miss. And and

1240
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: that's the hardest shot because as he's running, you need

1241
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: to drop your barrel down and shoot low. You're shooting

1242
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: and you're shooting over his back and so forth, and

1243
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: then and then Charles is right on you, and I'm

1244
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: seeing everything. They're not gonna forget it, and oh no,

1245
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't forget it because I I write these up

1246
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: in stories and I get I get chastise. And guy said,

1247
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I missed that many, you know? And

1248
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: I said, yes you did. I was standing right there.

1249
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: And write for a publication called Better Beagling. It's Better

1250
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: Beagling and Hounds and Hunting. Hounds and Hunting. Uh is

1251
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: the main magazine, but it's too magazine, and they recently

1252
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: merged them together. It's a joint when the first section

1253
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: is Hounds and hunting and in the second section in

1254
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: the same magazine it's a monthly and it's Better Beagling.

1255
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: And they write about gun dogs, they write about field trials,

1256
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: they write about raising dogs, beagles, and so forth. And

1257
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: you're you're a regular columnist, pretty regularly write six to

1258
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: seven a year. And they could be about the dogs.

1259
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: It could be about somebody I single out as a

1260
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: person and and UH right about, Or it could be

1261
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: about certain hunts. When we have some great huntsom one

1262
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: you usual hunts and I seem to remember pretty much

1263
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: everything that goes on, and I write up a story.

1264
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: The stories are usually anywhere from two to four pages long,

1265
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: and I describe it, and you you have you have

1266
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: a photographic memory or just really good because you can

1267
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: remember even now talking about the hunt that we we

1268
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: did together another hunts of folks that I know you'll

1269
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 1: call out details that I don't pretty I'm I'm pretty good.

1270
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: I can remember how we started on that hunt, and

1271
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: where we started, how we worked that property, and and

1272
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: it was l shape and so forth, and I remember

1273
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: when we went and we let the dogs loose. And

1274
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you remember this, but there was about

1275
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: sixty deer that took off running in the opposite of us.

1276
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: Looked like somebody had to track the trailer full of

1277
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: when we parked the truck and they just ran. I mean,

1278
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: I never saw that many deer at one time. I

1279
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: don't hunt any animals other than rabbits, but I see

1280
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: I remember, and I remember the terrain and there was

1281
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: a pond there, and how it sloped and so forth

1282
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: and et cetera. So yeah, I do pretty well. I

1283
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: guess you can say it's pretty well photographic. You keep

1284
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: journals at all. I don't keep any journal in the

1285
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: field because the action is too hot and heavy. But

1286
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: I memorized it, and when I come home, either that

1287
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: day or the next day, I write little cryptic notes,

1288
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: and I'll write about the land, what the land looked like,

1289
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: the cover, the weather, Uh, did we walk over from

1290
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: a spot? Did we drive over? And well, I'll talk

1291
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: about that, and I'll talk about the first rabbit and

1292
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: what the dogs did, who shot it? How many shots?

1293
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: I can remember that, and as we go on, I'll remember,

1294
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: and I remember who missing then. And sometime I have

1295
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: written articles where I've individualized eighteen or twenty rabbits. Some

1296
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: guys had multiple kills, some guys had one or two.

1297
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: And then sometimes I lumped the whole story in it

1298
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: just the pen I just to give it a little

1299
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: bit flavor. But I do. This is all I do.

1300
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: So I I have a good knack and a good

1301
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: memory for all of that. You certainly do. Well, let's

1302
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: get to we have. We're just looking at him. You

1303
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: and I like hundreds of questions from people. A lot

1304
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: of them are repeats, but we'll try to get to

1305
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: the ones that that matter. And the first one that

1306
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: The most common one we were just covering it is

1307
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: how do I rabbit hunting no dogs? And I think

1308
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: that's probably most people don't have dogs or access to dogs.

1309
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: I think that's why people love hunting with you so much,

1310
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: other than the things we already mentioned that the dogs

1311
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: are such an additive to rabbit hunting. So, but how

1312
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: without dogs would you go about it? When you're hunting

1313
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: and you can't hunt without dogs, particular, if it's say

1314
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: four or five people and you're hunting, say in a

1315
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: in a grassy field or or briar patch, where you're

1316
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: gonna have to kick them up. You're gonna have to

1317
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: don't leave any brush unturned. You're gonna have to kick

1318
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: him all because he'll sit there and you'll walk right

1319
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: by him. So you kick it, your stump on it,

1320
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: you walk through it, you shake it, you make noise,

1321
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: and you gotta be paying attention. And you're walking in

1322
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: a line. There he goes, and somebody will see him

1323
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: and shooting. You gotta shoot quick and go check. Now

1324
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: the difference in with a with a with dogs dogs

1325
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: will dogs will run the rabbit and if you miss him,

1326
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna run him and he's gonna come back. But

1327
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: when you're hunting without dogs, you gotta try to get

1328
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: him on your first shot or two, and you're not

1329
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: gonna You can't be afraid to shoot. You gotta shoot.

1330
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: If you see the brushshake or something, you shoot because

1331
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: there are no dogs there. There's nobody else there that

1332
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: you can injure, so you gotta shoot quick and then

1333
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: you check. But the key without dogs, you don't have

1334
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: that music, You don't have that dog to pick up

1335
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: that scent and chase that rabbit and bring him back.

1336
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: You gotta kill him and not be afraid to shoot

1337
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: on your first couple of shots. And then you turn

1338
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: around and you come back, and you walk through the

1339
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 1: cover again, because most time you spook up the rabbits

1340
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: the first time and they'll hop aside, and then you

1341
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: go back through the second time, and then they get

1342
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: up and so forth. Is there. We've had some people

1343
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: ask about solo rabbit hunts. If you're just walking around

1344
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: by yourself, you've ever done that? I try not to

1345
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: my wife with dogs, all without dogs without dogs probably

1346
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: just are you're walking around? No, I I don't do it,

1347
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: uh uh. I really never did it much when we

1348
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: were growing up, we didn't have access to any kind

1349
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: of dogs that we have today. We had a couple

1350
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: of yard dogs that would get a rabbit or two,

1351
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: and we used to walk in the fields. There were

1352
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: fields that we we farmed or nearby, and we would

1353
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: walk on some of the ditches and we'd walk through

1354
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: the through the grass in the bar and we might

1355
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: kill one or two. And uh, but I don't do

1356
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: it now. I don't even go out with the dogs

1357
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: alone because my wife give me the blues and as

1358
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: a safety factor, there are holes, their logs and stuff

1359
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: you can slip and fall, So I don't go by myself.

1360
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: Always go at it with at least one person, but

1361
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: most time it's on the average of about four bars

1362
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: four Well, I mean, this question comes up a lot.

1363
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: What brush do they like to camp out in specifically,

1364
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: and why do they go to specific places? I say

1365
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: they they like briars and and honeysuckle. And it's even

1366
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: greater if the briars and the honeysucker are in a

1367
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: mix because they can crawl underneath those and it's a

1368
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: good hideaway from predators. In Maryland. Here we've got a

1369
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: lot of flying predators. I mean, we were. We're headquarters

1370
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: for a lot of uh ball eagles, golden eagles, particularly

1371
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: Maryland eastern shore. You see and you see a lot

1372
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: of crows and a lot of owls and hawks. There

1373
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: are a lot of redtail hawks and other hawks that

1374
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: that flies around and they can spot one. So the

1375
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: habbits go under these, under these briars and honeysuckle, and

1376
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: those predators cannot get to them. And even the land

1377
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: based predators like cats, feral cats and foxes, if they

1378
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: catch them out in open then they'll get them. But

1379
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: if they if the rabbit could beat them to those briars,

1380
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: it's so thick that fox is not going to hardly

1381
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: go in in. The hawks and the flying predators cannot

1382
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: get to it. So they've got great cover and they

1383
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:30,480
Speaker 1: can live right underneath those burs. What else we got here? Oh? Best?

1384
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: What's the shotgun that people should be using them? I

1385
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: would say on the average the best gun probably for

1386
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: most people, would be a twenty gauge twenty gauge. The

1387
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: chokes could be modified or improve I like number six

1388
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: shots high brass shell. They reach out for a buddy

1389
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: like seven and a half. He said, They spread a

1390
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: little bit but the pellets a little bit smaller. So

1391
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: a twenty gauge with about a twenty six in barrow

1392
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 1: would be great. Now I shoot that, plus I also

1393
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: shoot a twenty eight gauge. A twenty eight gauge is

1394
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: nothing but a sweet machine. It's light, is lighter than

1395
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: that twenty, it's smaller, and it's got great knockdown powers.

1396
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: And a number of my buddies have in the last

1397
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: year bought because they like mine and so forth. But

1398
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: it's a good gun. I would stick with those. With

1399
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: those two. Now, if you're really really good, take a

1400
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: four ten. I was gonna say, now you're in the

1401
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 1: Charles Rodney, Well, I use it. I have a couple

1402
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: of four tens, independent on where I'm hunting, who I'm

1403
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: hunting with, I'll take a four ten, and do you know,

1404
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: I killed just as manute with the four tens as

1405
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: I do with the twenty or twenty eight. It just depends, uh,

1406
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: when you're hunting. If if the rabbit don't come on

1407
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: your side of your little corner and he runs on

1408
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: the other side and other guys can shoot and they

1409
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: seem boom dead, that's okay. So you go to the

1410
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: next one boom. We run to them again. Hunting with

1411
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: some guys. One day we kill um eleven rabbits. I

1412
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: made seven shots, seven single shots. I kill seven rabbits.

1413
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: Went one other time with some guys we kill six rabbits,

1414
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 1: shot sixteen times and kill one rabbit. And I was

1415
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: shooting the twelve gage that was back in the day.

1416
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: But kind of stay away from the sixteen and the twelve.

1417
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: They are a little bit big, and they'll tear the

1418
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: rabbits up and put too much pellets in them. And

1419
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm smelling rabbits cooking, so don't tear them up. Uh.

1420
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: Somebody named bean tids, as she said in the UK,

1421
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: we use sub twelve pound air rifles. Do you think

1422
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: that makes us better rabbit hunters? Smiley face. I'm I'm

1423
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: not familiar with uh that uh gun. But I hear

1424
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people from reading. A lot of people

1425
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: are using a variety of pillet guns to hunt. Read it,

1426
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: and I'd say, if it, if it works for you,

1427
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: and and you're good at it, and you enjoy it,

1428
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: continue to do it. The one thing that's great about it,

1429
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: you'll only have one pillet in it or one hole

1430
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: in it. If you hit it. Uh, So I would

1431
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: say go with it, if if, if you feel good,

1432
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: do it. The United Kingdom were support you over here

1433
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: from now you do what you need to do over there. Yeah,

1434
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: A lot of people are asking about what else they're

1435
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: asking about here they are a lot of people are

1436
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: asking about how many dogs and why beagles or the

1437
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: two things. So first, if you were running, let's let's

1438
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: cover how beagles and then why the number they do?

1439
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: Beagles are short, they compact. Now beagles come in different sizes. Uh.

1440
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: The average size of thirteen fourteen, fifteen inches fifteen and

1441
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: fourteen a little bit big. If you're hunting in water

1442
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: ground wide the area more open space, say like some

1443
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: open fields than that big dog would be better. But

1444
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: I like the thirteen, the twelve, the thirteen inches. They're small,

1445
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: they're strong, they're compact, they're tenacious, and they will go

1446
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: under those bars, under those honeysuckles, um and other grasses

1447
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: and under logs and on tree tops, um and under

1448
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: tree tops and search for that rabbit as long as

1449
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: that scent is there. And they're gonna go and they're

1450
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna work so they can. They're strong and they're gonna

1451
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: go under So that's why any they have a great

1452
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: nose for the rabbit scenter because this is what they

1453
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: are bred for and this is what they live for

1454
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: to hunt rabbits. Now the number wider number, I use six.

1455
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: I like six the six dogs. I have Hank at

1456
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: sell him. Hank is my best dog. Why is the best?

1457
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: He's the most tenacious. He's stick Him and Rattler they

1458
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 1: stick with the scent line. If the other dogs lose

1459
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: the scent line, they work it, they come back. It's

1460
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: like a mathematical problem. Half of the people can't figure it,

1461
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: but they stay there and they figured it out, and

1462
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: they figured that scent line and they work. It's strong.

1463
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: Then I have another dog named Blue, So Hank and Rattler.

1464
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: Rattling is eight, Hank is seven, Blue is five. Blue

1465
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: is a blue tick and Blue is a jump dog supreme.

1466
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: He's working all of the covers. When we say a

1467
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: jump dog, he's taking the lead. He's kind of like

1468
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: if if you if you have uh if those in

1469
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: the military and you have a lead person leading the

1470
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: troops or something. He's up front, he's knowledgeable, he knows

1471
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: what he's doing, and he gives command back. So Blue

1472
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,839
Speaker 1: works to cover. He's all over. I mean he's moving,

1473
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: he's checking every every cover, every piece of cover. Then

1474
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: the other three eat or Sam Sam is three, Buckshot

1475
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: is four, and bo Zo is five. Like he's the

1476
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: same age as Blue. Now they're a backup team. They're

1477
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: coming strong. They're not ready for leadership rules. They're a backup,

1478
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: but they're good backup. They work hard and they'll jump

1479
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: a rabbit every nine then, but they give that support

1480
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: and when you're going through, when they're going through the cover,

1481
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: they all together. Sometimes I tell people they can run

1482
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: close on a hot scent. Close together. You can pull

1483
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: a blanket off of the bed and throw throw it

1484
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: out and cover all six of them. I like six

1485
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: because they give a lot of noise. They get the

1486
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: rabbit up, and they pack good and they cover a

1487
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: lot of ground. There are some guys who use more.

1488
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: There are some guys who said, well, because of whatever reason,

1489
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting up in the age, I can't watch him.

1490
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm a US too. I know some guy to use

1491
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: one They hunt basically want or two people to use

1492
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: one dog. They go through real slow. They use a

1493
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: some people use a slower dog. Some guys hunt we

1494
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: hunt with three speeds a dog slow, medium and fast

1495
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: minor medium. They're gonna go through pretty fast. They're gonna

1496
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: work to cover and they're gonna be at a good

1497
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: fast pace when that scent is hot, and they're gonna

1498
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: bring him back. A fast dog, they're gonna go through

1499
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: real fast. You better get set up real fast because

1500
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna turn him. They're gonna push him out of hearing,

1501
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: and he's gonna come back after you like a bullet.

1502
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: And a slow dog. You can almost walk with the dog.

1503
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:45,520
Speaker 1: That's no fun. You just leave. Yeah, that's a slow one. Yeah.

1504
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: And you don't mix them. You want all to be

1505
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: one speed or not. You don't want to have a

1506
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: medium dog and too fast or slow dog in the

1507
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: pack because that's not gonna work. You want them all together.

1508
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: And when you when you're talking to a breeder, can

1509
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: is that how you do with you breed in there?

1510
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: They breed into them certain breeds of dogs. Now all

1511
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: of my dogs are pure, but I'm not one to

1512
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: follow all of those various bloodlines like you. You read

1513
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: some of these magazines and some of these field trial

1514
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: those guys know those bloodlines and they can quote you

1515
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: so many generations back. This is the great grandson of

1516
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: such and such and such and such who was a

1517
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: field champion, who could do all sorts of things. That

1518
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: is great. I just don't follow it. I have good dogs,

1519
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: and they're pure bread, and they do what I want

1520
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: them to do. So uh, it's bred into them, Yes,

1521
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: it is bred into him. Uh. Into their speed. And

1522
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: some dogs, some of the bloodlines innately have that that

1523
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: fast speed already in them. Somebody's asking what the rabbits

1524
01:21:55,400 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: really love to eat. Rabbit mainly a grass eater. They'll

1525
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: eat grass right now in the summertime, there's a variety

1526
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: of grass out there that they eat. Um, all kinds

1527
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: of little grass that's growing up. They're like clover, a

1528
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: variety of other little green grass. Now when it comes

1529
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: to wintertime, they'll they'll eat whatever little grass and leaves

1530
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: they can find. They'll even eat the twigs if there's

1531
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: nothing else. You can go, say on a hedgerow which

1532
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 1: nothing but a big wide ditch, or into a area

1533
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: where lots of rabbits and you look at the base

1534
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: of all the little trees, and they've eaten the bark

1535
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: off all of the little trees. And we hunt on

1536
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: a couple of nurseries because they eat up all the people.

1537
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: Uh trees, and and this one fella I met, he

1538
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: gave my buddy and I permission to come in his archer.

1539
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: They're like six acause you say kill them all, just

1540
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: don't shoot the trees and say, well, if you shoot

1541
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: a tree, you're not doing as much damage as the

1542
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: rabbits because they're eating. He's growing peaches, pears and apple

1543
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: and they they'll eat around the tree and the tree

1544
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: dies and so he loses money. So when it gets cold,

1545
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: they'll eat the saplings and little twigs. You'll see them

1546
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: cut just just cut right two inches off the ground.

1547
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: Let's see what else we got. We got a lot.

1548
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: We gotta go quick because we got we got so

1549
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 1: many of them. Um, let's see here. This one is,

1550
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: Can you train for rabbit hunting by trap shooting? I

1551
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: would say no, I'm I'm not a trap shooter, but

1552
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: I just four days ago I attended an event where

1553
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: a number of people I know we're trap shooting. So no,

1554
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: you cannot train for that. Because the dogs are trained

1555
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: at an early age. Their trained with their mother or

1556
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: with their father, or in a training pen enclosed pin

1557
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: of a few acres that has covering the grass and

1558
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 1: bras and stuff, and the young rabbits in there, and

1559
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: they'll put him in there and they'll train him gradually

1560
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: like that, and they and you can take a dog

1561
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: and go out into the field, but they need that scent,

1562
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: so that trap shooting is something that's flying in the air. Now,

1563
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't try to break a dog from being gunned

1564
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: to to gun a dog what we call it gun

1565
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: to make the dog aware of the gun by shooting trap,

1566
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: because that you'd make him gunshot. Because when you're training

1567
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,799
Speaker 1: a dog, you need a live rabbit. And he's running

1568
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: a rabbit, and he's a certain distance away, and you

1569
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: shoot while he's on the scent line. In a way,

1570
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: you don't want to shoot close because he now hears

1571
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: the shot and he gets scared. But when he's on

1572
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: the scent line and you shoot, you can shoot at

1573
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: a at the rabbit at coming back, or you can

1574
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: just shoot in the air if you're doing it in

1575
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: an off season, so he doesn't pain attention to the shot.

1576
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: He might not even hear it. It sounds just as

1577
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: if a branch is breaking and he keeps running and

1578
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't pay any attention to it. Here's one. Are

1579
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: there diseases to look out for or certain types of

1580
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: rabbits you should not eat? I hear of various diseases

1581
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: because in in the Hounds and Hunting magazine they talk

1582
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,879
Speaker 1: about diseases and dogs. They talk about diseases and rabbits,

1583
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: and these are These are writers that come from people

1584
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: who are training the field, from various veterinarians who study

1585
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: all of this. I don't know of any disease. I've

1586
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: not run into any disease. Uh. There are many times

1587
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: I will clean the rabbits with rubber gloves, and sometimes

1588
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't. But I've been doing it for so long

1589
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 1: and I forget to put the rubber gloves and I

1590
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: haven't gotten sick, and I don't. I haven't run into

1591
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: any There are diseases that I've read of, but personally

1592
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: or any of my buddies, no, we have not run

1593
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: into any it. This is this is one that came

1594
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: up the most well in the Q and a portion

1595
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: of the show with this. Where do I find rabbits? Well,

1596
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: you can find rabbits pretty much anywhere. Most people say,

1597
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: come in my backyard. Well, we can't hunt in your

1598
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: backyard if we don't want to go to jail. You

1599
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: can find rabbits pretty much anywhere in in in farm land,

1600
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: park land, open lands where there a lot of cover,

1601
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: hedgerows that are intermixed with little trees, briars, honeysuckle, grassy

1602
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: fields that may have clumps of of of of grass growing.

1603
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: Um A good place you can find them when when

1604
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: people are finished cutting their soybeans and their wheat, if

1605
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: they're cutting them in the fall, they're gonna come out

1606
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 1: of those fields. They live in those fields and they're

1607
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: they're eating some of the seeds and stuff, and when

1608
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: they cut them, they're gonna go to the next body

1609
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: of cover, which could be they're not going to go

1610
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: into the open woods because they're not gonna live long.

1611
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: They can't survive. The predators are going to get them,

1612
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 1: so it's gonna go to the next available cover. Big briar, patches, honeysucker,

1613
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: big clumps down trees, old branches, trash piles, things of

1614
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: that nature that's in in the woods. Even old cars

1615
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: that's been there thirty forty years. They'll they'll live there

1616
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: and as long as they have a lot of grass

1617
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: and briars and stuff in the mix. So that's where

1618
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna find the bulk of them. All right, I

1619
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: see one here now, I think that's pretty funny. So

1620
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna add a bonus question. Go ahead, actually looking

1621
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: looking good? Oh, smells goods good. And as you go

1622
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: you just add a little water to keep it from

1623
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: stickening too much. Bonus bonus question that I like this question.

1624
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: Rabbits are so cute, I can't kill them. What do

1625
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: I do? Then? If they're too cute, tell them Charles,

1626
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: then you should stay in the house and don't go honey,

1627
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: leave him for the rest of us. Yes, um, my

1628
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: wife says. I've been telling her and said, baby, why

1629
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: don't you come and go on? She said, not in

1630
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: this lifetime. She said. If I kill anything, I'm gonna

1631
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: sit by the tree and I'm gonna start crying on

1632
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: the first rabbit. I said, then you need to stay

1633
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: in the house. So if they're too cute, that's great

1634
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: to think that they're cute, but this is not for you. Okay,

1635
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: they're not cute when they're They're not cute in the pan.

1636
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: They're delicious in the pans. So if if any of

1637
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: those things you think are too cute, then um, don't

1638
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: her it yourself and make yourself have a stomach ache, headache,

1639
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: then leave that to other guys. We're not cruel people.

1640
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: We're just people that are passionate about this and we

1641
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: eat everything we kill. One fella I take a couple

1642
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: of years and his wife thinks he's going goose hunting.

1643
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: He said, Charles, don't send me any picture, don't put

1644
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: my picture, and don't send me anything on my phone,

1645
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: and I can't talk about it. She thinks I'm goose

1646
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: hunting because she thinks rabbits are cute, goose and deer ugly,

1647
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: so he can kill all the roles that he wants.

1648
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: I see whatever whatever coming coming over a good time.

1649
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: That's the allure of rabbit hunting. It's so great that

1650
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: guys are willing to hide it from their wives just

1651
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, I'm gonna

1652
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: give you the floor here. Well, thanks for everybody who

1653
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 1: wrote it with the questions. We do appreciate those questions,

1654
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys ask him. Sorry, we can't

1655
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: answer them all if we had, if we had, I

1656
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: just feel like a hundred questions there's too many. I

1657
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: don't want to wear you out. We gotta eat. You

1658
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: gotta be yeah, you gotta be able to put that

1659
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: sauce on the rice, and we gotta have a meal.

1660
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'd like to give you a chance here,

1661
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: and you take as long as you need to, because

1662
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: I think you're the perfect person to do this. You

1663
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: know what a stump speech is that that a a

1664
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: politician might give Lincoln, Lincoln Douglas standing on and shake

1665
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: their fists at people. I wanna give you a chance

1666
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: to do that about rabbit hunting. If if just imagine

1667
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: that I've never rabbit hunting, or imagine there's a lot

1668
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: of people who listen to this have never rabbit hunting,

1669
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 1: and you need to convince them to pick that over

1670
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: anything else. So I want to I want to give

1671
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: you an opportunity just to give the most inspiring rabbit

1672
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: hunting stump speech that you can think of off the cuff.

1673
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: So I'll give you a minute to think about it.

1674
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: But then but then you know, clear clear throat in

1675
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: your mind, and just give give them, give the people arousing. Okay,

1676
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm ready and go. Many of the people who hunt

1677
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: with me have been first timers. Uh. Some I've never

1678
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: hunted anything before, and they heard about rabbit hunting. They

1679
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: heard about me, and they get rabbits from And many

1680
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: of the fellas that come hunted with me. And there

1681
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: are some ladies. I've taken some ladies hunting. Okay, they've

1682
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: never done this before, but they have hunted a variety

1683
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: of other species, great waterfowl. People go all over and

1684
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: hunt waterfowl, dear elk, mule deer, caribou, turkeys, they do

1685
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: it all. But they've never hunt rabbits, so they want

1686
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: to do it. So I tell people, this is something

1687
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have fun. It's gonna be fast moving,

1688
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be exciting. It's gonna get your adrenaline going. Uh,

1689
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 1: your heart's gonna raise. Your eyes are gonna be going

1690
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: like a windshield wiper, because when the dogs are bringing

1691
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: that rabbit back, you don't know where he's gonna pop from.

1692
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: Out the left side, out the middle of the windshield,

1693
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: on the other side of the windshield. He might come

1694
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,839
Speaker 1: in behind you, he might come in at your fast

1695
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: he might come in. What happens with a lot of

1696
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: the newcomers, they see him and they're scared to shoot,

1697
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: or the point and they point the gun barrel, the

1698
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: point the finger. I said, why you didn't shoot? You're

1699
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: running too fast. He went behind something. So once they

1700
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: get the drift of how to do this and how

1701
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: to shoot and how to lead the rabbit, and once

1702
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: they kill that first one or miss that first one.

1703
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: Missing the first one, uh, it sticks with you more

1704
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: than when you kill one, because you remember that. And

1705
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: he said, man, I can't believe I'm missing me. Ran

1706
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: right on me. He stopped. I shot, and he took off,

1707
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: while a rabbit can stop on a diamond turn and

1708
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: run the opposite direction. And he's listening to you. So

1709
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot you do. You gotta you move. I

1710
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: tell them when to move, where to stand. I put

1711
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: them in clear spots, and the watch and the pay

1712
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: attention and not talk. And please leave those cell phones

1713
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: someplace else. Okay, just when when somebody's gonna call. You know,

1714
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: if you got an emergency, that's different. But leave them.

1715
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna be exciting. The action is going to be

1716
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: fast paced. When the dogs get him up, I'm gonna

1717
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: tell them he's running this way and he's coming back.

1718
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 1: Stand still and watch and guys are amazed at how

1719
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: quick those dogs are, how attentive they are to the

1720
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: scent line, how far and how rough they push them.

1721
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: They'll down in a gully, on the briars, on the logs,

1722
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: run across water as long as that scent and in

1723
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: some cases when they run across water, that rabbit leaves

1724
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: a little scent above the water. Believe it or not,

1725
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm not telling a quick one. They can smell that

1726
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: air scent and they're pushing him and one dog sometimes

1727
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: will go on the set of water is twelve ft wide.

1728
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: One dog will go on the other side and he'll

1729
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: he'll figure it out that rabbit had to cross hank

1730
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: or rattled or blue and all you get that one

1731
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: bark and the chases back on. So it's the excitement,

1732
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: it's the fast paced, is the action, the adrenaline flooring.

1733
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: You don't get that in most of the other hunting things. Now,

1734
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: I've never I understand from the deer hunters when they

1735
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: see that big buck coming, they get excited the adrenaline

1736
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: or you see that big moose or the eneloope. So

1737
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: but you might wait all day for him. In hunting rabbits,

1738
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: if there are plenty of rabbits. We've been on a

1739
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: hunt three years ago. We got fourteen. The action was

1740
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: hot and heavy, hot, and his barrel he had a

1741
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: side by side twenty gage. The barrel was hot because

1742
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: he was shooting smoking. He wasn't afraid to shoot. There

1743
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: are no scared shells in the field. Shoot and go

1744
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: and check. When you shoot, it only takes one or

1745
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 1: two pellets and knock a rabbit on. So you rush

1746
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: over the way you shot your check. If he's down,

1747
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: you'll see him. If you and you stand still, wash

1748
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: the grass, the grass and shaking is shaking that rabbit

1749
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: maybe moving a little bit. So you walk over and

1750
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: you put your foot on a knife. He's crawling at

1751
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: a fast pace. Then you try to shoot him in

1752
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: the head. If you go over there and you don't

1753
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: see anything, the dogs are gonna come and they're gonna

1754
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: pick that sent up. If they go ten feet, then

1755
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: that rabbit is still running. So there's all of this

1756
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: excitement that you're gonna have the passion for it, and

1757
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do it again. And all of

1758
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: the fellows that and ladies too, they want to do

1759
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: it again. And said I didn't know this was much.

1760
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I had so much fun, Charles and so forth. And

1761
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: they said, well, let me let me pee, you let

1762
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,839
Speaker 1: me do this. I said, no, I'm not an outfit.

1763
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a guy. I don't want anything. This is

1764
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 1: my passion. So uh and I have countless stories, but

1765
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one. We were hunting on the same

1766
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: property that been hunting on on a friend's phil Hones

1767
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: family on Maryland Eastern Shore. We're not hunting. There was

1768
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: a different little section, was an open section, and there

1769
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:45,759
Speaker 1: was a long patch of briars, maybe for the fifty yards.

1770
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 1: And so I told a fellow he had a ruga

1771
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: red label twenty gauge over and under. So I said,

1772
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: go stand on the end. I'm gonna put the dogs

1773
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: in right here, and there's rabbits and then they're gonna

1774
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: run them towards you, and you just stand still in

1775
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: wait about five feet in. Whoo, whoo, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1776
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I said, watch him, he's coming. He was down there.

1777
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 1: And we used to offer for various organizations. We used

1778
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: to auction off rabbit hunting trips, just like a lot

1779
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: of organization offer fishing trips, elk hunting etcetera, etcetera, bear hunting,

1780
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,640
Speaker 1: and he bought it. And so he went down on

1781
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: the end and the dogs was running bam bam. He

1782
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: came with one rabbit and a a smile about big

1783
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: as a tractor trailer on his face, and he said,

1784
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: I said, how did you do? How many of you get?

1785
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: He said, I killed one, I shot at one and

1786
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: missed him, and the third and ran by me. Three

1787
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 1: rabbits ran by him. So he was happy. So we

1788
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: went back, put the dogs on the scent line one

1789
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: by one, and we picked up the other two. This

1790
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: man was just as happy as he wanted to be.

1791
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 1: So it's the excitement, it's the passion that you're gonna

1792
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: get for it, and the thing about it, the good thing.

1793
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: I'll use the word addiction, addiction. You're gonna get addicted,

1794
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna get bit by it, and you're gonna want

1795
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: to do it again, even though if you get a

1796
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: little scratched up, you're gonna wanna go again, because the excitement.

1797
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: If they got rabbits there, it's gonna be exciting, and

1798
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell everyone. And like I said, I've taken

1799
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: many many people who said I haven't done this in

1800
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 1: forty years or thirty years, or when I was a kid,

1801
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: or I never did it before. So you're gonna be

1802
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: pumped up and you're gonna want to do it again.

1803
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Be careful with this like a drugs rabbit. Take it right,

1804
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: all right? That's the speech? Is that it? I thank you,

1805
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 1: he's done. He lost his voice, folks, he lost his voice.

1806
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: That's that's it. I want you to know, Like if

1807
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: if you can take a snippet of what it means

1808
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: to love and be passionate about something, to take that

1809
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: last about six minutes of Charles Rodney talking and listen

1810
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: to it over and over again. Maybe it's not rabbit

1811
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: hunting for you, maybe it's something else. But if you

1812
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: can bring to what you love the passion that this

1813
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: this man has, you're gonna be better at life. You're

1814
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 1: gonna be better at living, and you're gonna have a

1815
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 1: whole lot of fun outside. Let me say yeah, go

1816
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: ahead now in your areas, find somebody that you trust

1817
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: that's a reliable rabbit hunter. If you want to try dogs,

1818
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 1: somebody with good dogs who are willing to take you out.

1819
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: That's somebody that's trustworthy, gonna take you on some good

1820
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: spots and gonna let you do some shooting and gonna

1821
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 1: teach you. I feel that I'm half hunter and I'm

1822
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: half teacher, and I don't mind because I'm passing up

1823
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: something along to other people that we hope we'll be

1824
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: here for generation to come. So find somebody reliable, because

1825
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: if you find somebody that's not good at it, that

1826
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 1: they want to do all of the killing because it's

1827
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: their dogs. You know, It's like the little kids. It's

1828
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 1: my ball and if I don't get to play, I'm

1829
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: gonna take my ball and go home. And if you

1830
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: find those type of people, then move on to the

1831
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: next person and find somebody. There are some people. There

1832
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: are lots of people out there who would love to

1833
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: take you out um and teach you and and teach

1834
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: you safety and let you enjoy this great passion of ours.

1835
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 1: So find them. They're they're they're there. You just you

1836
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: might have to look a little harder, ask around. And

1837
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 1: there are loads of guys that are doing this, but

1838
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: you don't You don't hear enough about them, that's right.

1839
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Charles Rodney is the leader of the Church of Rabbit Hunting,

1840
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: and I am happy to be in his congregation. And

1841
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:59,639
Speaker 1: you don't have to put anything in in the collection

1842
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: play when you come to our church. Okay, and unless

1843
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: you want to give us a rabbit or two, yeah,

1844
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: we'll take that. Yeah, take that where. We're gonna go

1845
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: over to the stove over here. We're gonna finish up

1846
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: our our meal and we're gonna have some. Judy will

1847
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: be home soon, I imagine should be, and we're gonna

1848
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: have what it seems like a wonderful meal. I hope

1849
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, is there a place for me

1850
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 1: to take a nap when we're done? Yeah? Now, if

1851
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: you take a nappy, it's like the old motel six.

1852
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 1: It's it used to be what twenty eight dollars. And

1853
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 1: we'll turn the light off, so i'mn have to charge you.

1854
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: The meal is for free. Charge you for the room,

1855
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: all right, I'll sleep outside. No, No, you can sleep inside.

1856
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: We got plenty of room. I might stay a while.

1857
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: I think I might stay. Well, I had to go

1858
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: back to Montana. Eventually my wife might get mad. But

1859
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 1: tell him about the meal. Well, well, so we're gonna

1860
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 1: you'll you'll have seen hopefully on the meat eat or

1861
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: Instagram account. We're gonna show the meal. But we've got

1862
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: the Prayleans correct can Louisiana Picorn Prayleans. And that's I

1863
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: think I start from the end of the meaning and

1864
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: go forward. Now the preluds you said you told me

1865
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,600
Speaker 1: only eat a few at a time, Now, that's right.

1866
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: They're very rich, rich. They might they might send you

1867
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: to the bathroom a little bit earlier. So I probably

1868
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: there's that. It looks like there's like fifty um over there,

1869
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: probably twenty. Okay, well, I'm I already eating one. I'm

1870
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: gonna eat at least five. I'm gonna give you something

1871
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: to take for your parents. I will take as many

1872
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: as you get. We got lemonade. We have nice homemade lemonade,

1873
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 1: homemade lemon pie, lemon ring pie that I make. You're

1874
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: you're you're saying it's not you're saying you weren't very

1875
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: happy with it, or it wasn't as good as you normally.

1876
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't bullshit. It's gonna be delicious. I probably probably

1877
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 1: eat half the pot. We're gonna have red beans and rice,

1878
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 1: rabbit salad. Who knows what else we'll get into. My

1879
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: wife might make some biscuits when she come in. Oh, boy,

1880
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: that's that's that's another thing. If we're gonna add that

1881
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: to the end of your rabbit stump speech about how

1882
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:07,679
Speaker 1: you can eat these delicious critters, that is that is correct.

1883
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: We eat everything we kill, and my wife and I

1884
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: don't eat many of them. But in my group, the

1885
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: people that hunted with me last year, we kill over

1886
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: two ten and about the same last year, even though

1887
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 1: the weather was lousy, but we hunted in between the

1888
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 1: bad days and after the bad weather, before the bad weather,

1889
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: and we had some great spots where we went double digits,

1890
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: so the numbers ran up, but most of them. A

1891
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: lot of the people come, they'll take one or two,

1892
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of people want more because they

1893
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 1: give to their neighbors and a bunch of other older people.

1894
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: I take all that's left, and I'll have maybe thirty

1895
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: five to forty five in the freezer. They're clean, they're

1896
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,640
Speaker 1: wrapped up, their label, and I have a list of

1897
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: about thirty five people who want rabbit that I give

1898
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 1: rabbit to every year. Manities, older people who grew up

1899
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 1: eating them, various parts from various parts of the country,

1900
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: some of them a city people. Uh So I give

1901
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: them away and I enjoy giving to them. So everything

1902
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: gets eaten, and that's a great treat. If we can

1903
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: find them. Somebody's going to eat him. That's right. Yeah,

1904
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: we're about to eat him right now. Let's go do that. Charles.

1905
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,759
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for coming on the show. Another quite welcome.

1906
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,560
Speaker 1: You're welcome any time to come and chat with me,

1907
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: and we'll find some maybe find some rabbits in Montana.

1908
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: You probably will. I bet there's a few out o.

1909
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: There's rabbits. There's rabbits there and a couple of buddies

1910
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: that come out there and and hunt some of the

1911
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 1: larger game. Telling me to see them in Montana, in Colorado.

1912
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 1: If I find him, I'm calling you. Yeah, all right, Charles,

1913
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I guess I grew. That's it.

1914
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: That's all another episode of the show in the books.

1915
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: Thank you to Charles Rodney, Thank you to Stephen Ranella.

1916
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: You all should go rabbit hunting, even if you can't

1917
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: go with Charles. Boy, you should be inspired by his

1918
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: passion for rabbits, his passion for life. What a human being.

1919
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: I spent some time with him and his wife Judy

1920
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: at their home. We, of course, as we as you

1921
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,839
Speaker 1: know ate a good meal. I got to see Charles.

1922
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: If you donize that Charles dresses up like to the

1923
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: nine to go to church. I mean he wears like

1924
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: a lime green a lime green soup jacket with a fedora.

1925
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean it is, it is. It's fantastic. Uh, He's

1926
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 1: a fantastic man. His wife. Thank you Judy for having

1927
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: me in your home and taking such a good care

1928
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: of me when I stopped by to visit. I really

1929
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: do appreciate appreciate that, and I appreciate all of you. UM.

1930
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: I want to stop and say, we're always at the

1931
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: end of these shows talking about what to buy, where

1932
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 1: to go, how you can help out the podcast. And

1933
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 1: you guys all know that you can go to the

1934
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: Mediator store, sign up for the Mediator newsletter. You can

1935
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: go to itune and give this podcast a five star rating,

1936
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,640
Speaker 1: like over a thousand of you already have. UM, you

1937
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: can go right, you know, put a written review in

1938
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: there and tell us what you think. You can go

1939
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 1: do all those things. But but beyond that, UM, I'm

1940
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 1: feeling pretty grateful and thankful after my recent podcast recording trip.

1941
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 1: I recorded seven podcasts in five days, and I'm just

1942
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: feeling thankful for one of the opportunity to talk to

1943
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:26,680
Speaker 1: all of you, but to the opportunity to meet and

1944
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 1: bring you the stories of these people that need to

1945
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 1: be told. And and in the beginning of this podcast,

1946
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 1: I said it shouldn't be about me, Um. It's called

1947
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective because it's about our collective experience and

1948
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: and each week presenting a new experience to add to

1949
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: the collective so we can all get a better idea

1950
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: of um, where we are and what we're doing. So

1951
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: I truly believe that's the mission of this show. That's

1952
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 1: my mission, and I'm thankful to go every day and

1953
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,040
Speaker 1: try to get it um and try to make a

1954
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: thoughtful conversation happened all around hunting and some of these

1955
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: very important issues. We don't always get it right, uh,

1956
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 1: that is for sure, but I I always want to

1957
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 1: have the conversation and I'm never going to I don't

1958
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 1: want to self censor based on um, you know, the

1959
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 1: controversial nature of a topic. I just want to dive

1960
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 1: into the things that are important and try our best

1961
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: to discuss them. So please keep sending in your reactions

1962
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 1: to th HC at the media dot Com. Send please

1963
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: send your audio clips one minute, two minutes, pick your

1964
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: phone up, hit the notes, hit record talking too it,

1965
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: give review our show or some topic in it, and

1966
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 1: let us know what you think. So, without further ado

1967
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 1: on that, we've got two listener feedbacks to end the show.

1968
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna hear a little old number seven

1969
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 1: as always going forward. So once again I'll end this

1970
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: show by saying I'm grateful, thank you, Hey Ben. A

1971
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: couple of things for you. First, love the podcasts, been

1972
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: listening to it since it started. Um, when it comes

1973
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 1: to being a hipster, you know, if I were you,

1974
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: i'd be pretty worried too with all this attention on

1975
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 1: people calling me a hipster. But I say it comes

1976
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: down to utility. So if you're wearing flannel to stay

1977
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:23,240
Speaker 1: warm and not as a style statement, you're good. If

1978
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: you're wearing a beanie you've got a beard because it

1979
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 1: serves a purpose, then you're not a hipster. If you're

1980
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 1: just wearing it out so you can show off for

1981
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: the ladies and drink your ironic craft brew, then yeah,

1982
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 1: you're a history show some love to the East Coast man.

1983
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: I love to talk to you. If you ever look

1984
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: into do an interview with this Joe blow outdoorsman here

1985
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. Keep up a great word, hey Ben,

1986
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: and the Hunting Collective Mountain Marketer are here to explain

1987
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: why Rinella is wrong about Game of Thrones but correct

1988
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 1: about most episodic drama. It all comes down to endpoints.

1989
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: If the narrative has a defined endpoint at the beginning

1990
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: of production, the show will be good. If the show

1991
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: does not have a defined endpoint, the networks and the

1992
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: writers will ultimately milk the production, drawing it out, murdering

1993
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: the cohesiveness of the narrative in the process. Think about

1994
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 1: shows that have really jumped the Shark, Orange is the

1995
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: New Black after season one, they should have just stuck

1996
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: to the book and killed the series would have been

1997
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: much better. Lost totally got lost in the process of

1998
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 1: whatever it was they were trying to accomplish, and the

1999
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 1: ending wasn't even real. So if they start with a

2000
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: defined endpoint, they can stay on track. The question for

2001
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 1: Steve is what does he think about the Adventures series.

2002
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's hard to argue the Game of

2003
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 1: Thrones is better than The Avengers in every way, and

2004
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 1: they're essentially the same thing. They're essentially long format episodic narratives.

2005
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: They're just distributed differently, one stream, the others showed in

2006
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,719
Speaker 1: movie theaters first. Anyway, hope this helps with your office drama.

2007
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: Great meeting you, Austin. I'm on Instagram at m t

2008
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:06,719
Speaker 1: N Marketer Mountain Marketer. Love the show. Keep it up, Dennis,

2009
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: see you. Whiskey got me drinking in heaven and I

2010
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 1: know I can't stay here too long because I can't

2011
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 1: go a week without doing run, oh without absolute run,

2012
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 1: drinking out, run absolutely wrong, drinking in Heaven