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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Posovic.

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Speaker 4: Christ Is King amid already heightened tensions today military escalations

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Speaker 4: with Iran. The American aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, which

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Speaker 5: But what is really the major problem in this country

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Speaker 5: today is the fascism in our streets, the hacks on

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Speaker 6: For those who are not a national security threat or

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Speaker 6: from immigration enforcement actions. If you're in the contrary legally,

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Speaker 6: President Trump fully intends to achieve mass deportations during this administration,

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Speaker 6: and immigration enforcement actions will continue every day throughout this country.

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Speaker 7: The other thing we.

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Speaker 8: Can't lose sight of is you probably have in Minnesota,

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Speaker 8: know we have. We're very deep into that investigation.

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Speaker 9: The accused assassin of conservative activist Charlie Kirk was back

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Speaker 9: As the defense argues today, The county attorney said no,

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Speaker 3: Was a search warrant on the defendant's house executed in.

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Speaker 7: This case, it was yes, down in Saint George.

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Speaker 3: And was evidence obtained from his house?

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Speaker 10: It was yes, what kind of evidence if I recole

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Speaker 10: There was some bullet casings that had some inscriptions on.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, Jack Pasobic here, we're back Human Events

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Speaker 1: Daily live on Real America's Voice. Today is February fourth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Anno Domini. And yesterday, of course, you

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Speaker 1: know we've been working hard putting together the show for

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Speaker 3: Now, we know that Super Bowl Sunday, of course is

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Speaker 1: But our turning point us a halftime show is the

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Speaker 3: But then in the middle of all of that, what

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Speaker 1: And there's this moment where one of Tyler's defense attorneys,

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Speaker 11: You mentioned the DNA evidence. You're certainly not a DNA expert,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just got God ordained. What can I say?

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Speaker 14: the entire Utah County prosecutor's office from being able to

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Speaker 14: try this case in Judge Johnny Graff's courtroom. And their

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Speaker 14: reasoning is that one of the prosecutors, who is an

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Speaker 14: expert in homicide, apparently his daughter was at Utah Valley

447
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Speaker 14: University on September tenth when Charlie Kirk was killed. And

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Speaker 14: that's their entire contention.

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Speaker 3: So their daughter was there, she's eighteen. You know, that

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Speaker 3: came out in some of the reporting.

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Speaker 1: Horrifying obviously, But at the same time, is it really

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Speaker 1: a conflict of interest if someone was just nearby where

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Speaker 1: a crime took place and that person is not a

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Speaker 1: material witness because it seems that her presence was incidental

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Speaker 1: to the actual crime that took place here.

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Speaker 14: Yes, that's exactly right, and that's what the prosecutors were

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Speaker 14: pointing out. They brought an agent from the Utah State

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Speaker 14: Bureau of Investigations to testify in court yesterday. That was

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Speaker 14: Dave Hall, and the prosecutors questioned Dave Hall about the

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Speaker 14: significance of the young ladies perhaps witness testimony. Now. What

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Speaker 14: happened was Dave Hall said that the Bureau and the

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Speaker 14: FBI put out posters encouraging people who had been at

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Speaker 14: Uveu on that day to come forward and discuss what

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Speaker 14: they had done seen. The young lady was not one

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Speaker 14: of the people who had come forward, and the prosecutor

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Speaker 14: spoke to Hall, and Hall said that he did eventually

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Speaker 14: see the footage that she had taken that day, and

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Speaker 14: that it was very similar to footage taken by countless

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Speaker 14: others who had come forward and shared the footage. He

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Speaker 14: said that there was nothing particularly unique in anything that

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Speaker 14: she saw or anything like that. So that was pretty

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Speaker 14: interesting because basically he was saying, no, like, even if

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Speaker 14: she was there, she doesn't have anything to offer that

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Speaker 14: you know, tens of other people or maybe you know

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Speaker 14: more have to offer as well in terms of her

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Speaker 14: what she could perhaps testify, And she's not even particularly

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Speaker 14: believed to be one of the witnesses in the case

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Speaker 14: once it does eventually go to trial. And so I

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Speaker 14: thought that was interesting because Hall pointed out that none

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Speaker 14: of the footage that they got from the people who

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Speaker 14: had just been in the crowd there was able to

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Speaker 14: point out anything about the identity of the shoot her.

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Speaker 1: So right, and this is what I mean by incidental

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Speaker 1: in the sense that was she a witness, Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there were thousands of witnesses who were present, obviously millions

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Speaker 1: of witnesses at home to the events that took place,

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Speaker 1: and you know, for folks watching, look, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: be analytical about this.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to put my emotions on the shelf, as.

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Speaker 1: I always say about one of these situations, even when yes,

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Speaker 1: the victim is someone that you know, I was close

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Speaker 1: to that, we're we're trying to analyze what the actual

493
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Speaker 1: situation is here objectively, and when you analyze it to

494
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Speaker 1: say it's okay, well, was she a victim, No, she wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Did she see him running up a staircase? Did she,

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Speaker 1: you know, see him running into the woods. No she

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Speaker 1: did not.

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Speaker 3: So it really does seem like the you know, the legal.

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Speaker 1: Term here would be deminimus, that her presence was deminimous,

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Speaker 1: meaning it's minimized.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not something that is.

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Speaker 1: Again material or Jermaine to the case and something. The

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Speaker 1: great Andrew Burkhart, I know you and I have both

504
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Speaker 1: been sharing her analysis.

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Speaker 3: Huge shout out to her.

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Speaker 1: She had a great point as well that look, when

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Speaker 1: you're in a small town, people run into each other,

508
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Speaker 1: and these are just things that kind of happen in

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Speaker 1: the general course of daily life, and you have to

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Speaker 1: deal with them in the best way possible for the

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Speaker 1: interest of justice. So, you know, if you're in a

512
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Speaker 1: town where there's you know, only a couple of judges,

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Speaker 1: maybe only a couple of lawyers, obviously, or is a

514
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Speaker 1: little bigger than that. But the point still stands that

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Speaker 1: you are going to have people that know people that

516
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Speaker 1: run into the middle. But that doesn't that doesn't supersede

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Speaker 1: the need for justice to be done in our system.

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Speaker 1: And of course I believe the judge is worry and

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Speaker 1: the fact that so I believe he did deny the

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Speaker 1: referral to the Attorney General because they're saying, oh, the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, should you know, reveal this.

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Speaker 3: He denied that.

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Speaker 1: I believe, and I think a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: that is a sign that he's probably going to deny

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Speaker 1: this motion.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I got that sense as well, and that

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Speaker 14: is my feeling. Of course, we're not going to know

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Speaker 14: until February twenty fourth, which actually brings me to something

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Speaker 14: that I think is important, which is I believe that

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Speaker 14: the defense attorney I believe that what they are trying

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Speaker 14: to do that team is put in a lot of delays,

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Speaker 14: is put in as many questions ahead of the trial

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Speaker 14: as possible. Robinson still has not entered a plea. There

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Speaker 14: hasn't been an arraignment that's not scheduled until something like May.

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Speaker 14: So I think what they're trying to do is really

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Speaker 14: muddy the waters here of what otherwise looks like a

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Speaker 14: pretty straight ahead murder case. And so they're trying to

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Speaker 14: bring in all of these extra ideas of you know,

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Speaker 14: perhaps the prosecutor has been biased. And the prosecutor was

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Speaker 14: asked outright, you know, the one whose daughter was at Uvu,

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Speaker 14: why he decided to not only announce that he was

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Speaker 14: bringing the death penalty early, but actually said that he

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Speaker 14: was going planned to do so. And he said essentially

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Speaker 14: that it was a preponderance of the evidence that made

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Speaker 14: him say, in this case, a death penalty looks like

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Speaker 14: it is warranted, and that he brought that announcement out

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Speaker 14: in order to assuage any questions and just make plain

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Speaker 14: what it was that the prosecutors were going to intend

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Speaker 14: to show here.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's right, and I think that all

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Speaker 1: that all needs to be understood, that all needs to

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Speaker 1: be dug into. We're coming up on a quick break, Libby,

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Speaker 1: I want to hang on with you. I want to

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Speaker 1: bring on an attorney after the break to dig into this,

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Speaker 1: and I also want to dig into perhaps some of

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Speaker 1: the defense strategy which I believe came up during the

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Speaker 1: cross examination of the lead investigator in this case. We'll

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Speaker 1: dig into that huge deep dive the trial Tyler Robinson

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Speaker 1: for the murder Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 13: Will.

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Speaker 1: I know you've obviously been tracking the case. You've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of this. How are you doing well?

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Speaker 15: I'm Jerdan Great enjoying a brief amount of nice weather

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Speaker 15: in Palm Beach after a couple of weeks of freezing

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Speaker 15: stuff in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: So oh, indeed indeed down here.

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Speaker 1: So now we're you know, we're still frozen all over

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and other parts. Will Will Libby Emmons was

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Speaker 1: just on talking about how she believed that it's a

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Speaker 1: delay tactic here the Tyler Robinson case on the part

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Speaker 1: of the defense team to this whole conflict of interest

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Speaker 1: the daughter being there but you know, not in any

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Speaker 1: really material capacity. I wanted to get your sense on

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Speaker 1: that as well. Why are they making such a such

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Speaker 1: a big deal about the presence of the daughter when

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Speaker 1: she was just another person in the crowd.

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Speaker 15: I mean, it's an argument to make, you know, you

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Speaker 15: want to preserve arguments for appeal. You don't want to

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Speaker 15: be called for malpractice as later on when the guy

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Speaker 15: gets convicted and Susie for an impactive assistance of counsel.

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Speaker 15: So you're just going to make all the arguments available

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Speaker 15: to you. So I think that there's a combination of

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Speaker 15: stalling and you know, throwing, throwing so the wall and

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Speaker 15: see what's seeing what sticks. I've looked at this argument

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Speaker 15: that's obviously very weak, it's not frivolous, so they can

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Speaker 15: bring it and I think, you know when you're I've

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Speaker 15: in there, when I've been practicing and felt the obligation

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Speaker 15: to bring every non argument I can to bear on

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Speaker 15: behalf of my clients. So I think that's sort of

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Speaker 15: what's going on here.

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Speaker 3: No, I I I I think that's that's I think

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Speaker 3: that's right as well. You know.

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Speaker 1: The For me, it's it's it's it's so much they're

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Speaker 1: going in, you know, to say that you have to

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Speaker 1: disqualify all the members of the prosecution.

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Speaker 3: It's it's to be fair. It just seems like they're

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Speaker 3: a bit of a stretch.

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Speaker 1: Just seems a bit of a stretch, we'll put it

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Speaker 1: that way.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and your intuition is going to be right here

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Speaker 15: a lot of the time. This is one of those

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Speaker 15: areas of law where that's something that seems ridiculous on

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Speaker 15: its face is going to be ridiculous. I mean, if

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Speaker 15: you think about what is the standard for conflicts of interest,

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Speaker 15: it's about whether a reasonable person would find that there

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Speaker 15: was you know, impropriety or whether you know it's it's all.

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Speaker 15: It's all about reasonableness, which comes back to the standard

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Speaker 15: of it's a standard that means that even a layperson's

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Speaker 15: intuition is usually going to be right, and so a

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Speaker 15: reasonable layperson would think there's no reason that a prosecutor

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Speaker 15: and bring a case just because his daughter was among

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Speaker 15: the hundreds of people who was you know, present in

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Speaker 15: that venue. If that, if that person had no evidence

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Speaker 15: to bring I think that that's just sort of obvious

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Speaker 15: that there's not a meaningful conflict of interest. There would

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Speaker 15: be one thing, if you know, she were uniquely impacted

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Speaker 15: by this, if there was some evidence that she personally,

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Speaker 15: you know, was traumatized into a degree where she's going

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Speaker 15: through you know, therapy, maybe I mean, if there was

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Speaker 15: something like that where you could say, there's just a

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Speaker 15: reason this particular person is more invested in the prosecution

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Speaker 15: of mister Kirk than any other prosecutor would be, then

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Speaker 15: maybe you'd have some sort of argument. But it's just

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Speaker 15: it's just not it's not a very compellent case. And

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Speaker 15: if I mean, if you if you applied the standard

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Speaker 15: of this qualification to include the prosecutor's office based on

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Speaker 15: this any sort of major like public murder of somebody,

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Speaker 15: it'd be very very difficult to find a prosecutor's office

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Speaker 15: to be able to take it on because you know,

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Speaker 15: if you've got five hundred witnesses, well you can always

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Speaker 15: just draw out some sort of connection to somebody in

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Speaker 15: the office and theoretically get them disqualified on that basis.

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Speaker 15: That can't be the way the law works, and it

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Speaker 15: isn't the way the law works right now.

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Speaker 1: And then you could you could play that you know,

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Speaker 1: Whisper down the lane, you know, game six degrees Kevin

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Speaker 1: Bacon all day long.

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Speaker 3: But I want to.

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Speaker 1: Play this clip again for both of you guys, and

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Speaker 1: you get your take on it. This is the clip

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Speaker 1: of Kathy Nester questioning the lead investigator about DNA evidence.

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Speaker 11: To play that now, and you mentioned, I know I

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Speaker 11: have two minutes. I'm going to talk very fast. I

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Speaker 11: know she's about to kill me. You mentioned the DNA evidence.

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Speaker 11: You're certainly not a DNA expert. Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: I'm not no.

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Speaker 11: And are you aware that the DNA evidence that was

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Speaker 11: seized from the scene consisted of a mixture of at

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Speaker 11: least five different individuals.

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Speaker 7: I'm not a DNA expert, so.

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Speaker 11: So you know enough to say what helps him, but

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Speaker 11: you're not going to answer whether or not there were

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Speaker 11: five individuals mixed into that DNA.

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Speaker 7: I'm not aware of that. No, okay, And.

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Speaker 11: You're certainly not qualified to interpret complex DNA mixtures, are you.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm not okay.

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Speaker 11: Court's indulgence for just one mom in your honner.

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Speaker 13: Six minutes, Miss.

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Speaker 3: Nestor, is there? I know I gave you that six minutes.

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Speaker 7: Is there any other questions that you feel you need

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Speaker 7: to ask?

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Speaker 11: Thank you for asking, But I think I'm done, Thank you,

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Speaker 11: thank you.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So, so I wanted to get the sense for me.

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Speaker 1: I thought this was just very theatrical and emotional. You know, she's, oh, you'll,

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Speaker 1: you'll answer his questions because.

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Speaker 3: She answered you know, he answered it.

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Speaker 1: You know, kind of a very just brief sense of

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Speaker 1: the DNA questions from the prosecutor's team on direct and

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Speaker 1: you know, had just sort of repeated what the charging

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Speaker 1: document said about the DNA match between the rifle, the

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Speaker 1: screwdriver and Tyler Robinson, and and you know, but the

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Speaker 1: way that she's sort of like berating him, haranguing him,

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Speaker 1: to me, it just seems like she's coming.

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Speaker 3: Across very theatrical, like full theater kid like her.

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Speaker 1: The way she says her words in this emotional, like

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Speaker 1: very millennial tone is going to have some kind of

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Speaker 1: difference here, Libby. Of course you have a theater background,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get your sense on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I thought it was also very dramatic, and it was

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Speaker 14: interesting too because she used the fact, as you said,

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Speaker 14: that DNA had previously been brought up, to bring it

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Speaker 14: up again, and then in so doing she posited something

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Speaker 14: that was basically a new theory that no one had

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Speaker 14: really heard before, that there were apparently five different individuals

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Speaker 14: of DNA. She left out an awful lot like where

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Speaker 14: she alleged that this had been found, what it had

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Speaker 14: been associated with, or any of that. And I think

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Speaker 14: that was intentional. I think that was to sway anyone

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Speaker 14: who might be watching, who may perhaps end up in

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Speaker 14: the jury pool, who knows, you know, to sway the

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Speaker 14: American public to believe that there is more of a

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Speaker 14: doubt in this case than there likely is given the

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Speaker 14: preponderance of evidence, and which is the evidence also that

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Speaker 14: the investigator mentioned when he was being questioned by the prosecutors.

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Speaker 3: No, i' that was my sense as well. Will. I

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Speaker 3: wanted to get your take on that.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 15: So it's it's interesting to hear her try and make

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Speaker 15: this claim. It's like, oh, there might have been five

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Speaker 15: other sources or five other people with evidence from the scene.

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Speaker 15: I don't even know if the scene just refers to

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Speaker 15: the specific place where the shooter was pointing, you know,

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Speaker 15: sho shot Charlie from, or you're talking about the scene

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Speaker 15: being where the gun was left. But this is this

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Speaker 15: is actually very common because oftentimes what happens is that

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Speaker 15: there's multiple There's the DNA of the criminal, and then

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Speaker 15: there's the DNA of the police officers who are there

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Speaker 15: to collect the pieces of the scene. So it's the

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Speaker 15: kind of thing that when if this actually tries to

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Speaker 15: come up a trial, I don't know that it will

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Speaker 15: because I wonder if the defense council will just be

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Speaker 15: ready for you know, the obvious follow ups from the prosecution,

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Speaker 15: which will be like, okay, so who are the other

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Speaker 15: four people that were identified? And then it'll be a

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Speaker 15: list of for the police investigators who came out to

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Speaker 15: the scene or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Or you know it's friends, yeah, or yeah, friends, the roommate,

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Speaker 1: lover boyfriend that he had, or the fact that we

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Speaker 1: know that this was a family firearm, so what did

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Speaker 1: that mean? It was like his father, his brothers, his grandfather,

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Speaker 1: because it was a grandfather's rifle.

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Speaker 3: They handled it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Plus there's also the question of the proportionality of.

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Speaker 3: The DNA, so it was like, it's like it was

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Speaker 3: what was the proportion?

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Speaker 1: Was it ninety eight percent Tyler Robinson's DA and DNA

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Speaker 1: and two percent the rest in this touch DNA because

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Speaker 1: that would matter as well. So all of these things,

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Speaker 1: of course do come up. But of course I'm reminded

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Speaker 1: of that of that old saying. You know, when the

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Speaker 1: facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the

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Speaker 1: law is on your side, pound the law, and when

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Speaker 1: neither on your are on your side, pound the table.

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Speaker 3: It just seems to me that's right. And she's doing here.

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Speaker 15: I mean, what what is really the argument here? I mean,

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Speaker 15: they have evidence of a guy you've mentioned Tyler Robinson's

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Speaker 15: description entering and exiting the building, walking around with an

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Speaker 15: extremely stiff leg, and then all of a sudden, he

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Speaker 15: doesn't have that problem when he's the guy who's fleeing.

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Speaker 3: And it's the parents who identify overwhelming. We're coming up

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Speaker 3: on a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Will I want to hold you over Libby, tell people

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Speaker 1: where they can go and find you and get more

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Speaker 1: access to this incredible work.

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Speaker 3: That you're doing breaking down the case.

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Speaker 14: You can check out everything we're doing at the postmillennial

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Speaker 14: dot com and human events dot com and also please

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Speaker 14: check out our new podcast, the Podmillennial. You can find

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Speaker 14: the links at the podmillennial dot com.

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Speaker 1: Now the team over there at the Post Millennial and

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Speaker 1: Human Events is top notch. If you want the best

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Speaker 1: coverage of the Tyler Robinson trial, you've got to go

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Speaker 1: right there and also stick it here. Make sure you're downloading,

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Speaker 1: of course, and subscribing to the Human Events podcast wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcast right back.

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Speaker 4: Jack is a great guy.

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Speaker 12: He's written that fantastic look and everybody's.

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Speaker 13: Talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Go get it that.

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Speaker 13: He's been my friend right from the beginning.

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Speaker 12: Of this whole beautiful event.

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Speaker 9: Pad.

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Speaker 7: We're going to turn her around and make our.

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Speaker 3: Country quay to get him pay man.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pacobic, we are back here. Will Chamberlain

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Speaker 1: is our guest. We're talking about the latest in the

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Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson trial, who's on murder on trial for the

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Speaker 1: murder of Charlie Kirk. Will with some of the questions

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Speaker 1: that we're getting in regarding these forensics. The DNA okay

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Speaker 1: five mixture of five strands of DNA. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is one of those things that I've noticed in other

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Speaker 1: murder trials that I've covered over the years, that it

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Speaker 1: always seems to come up, especially once the death penalty trial,

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Speaker 1: they really get into the nitty gritty of the DNA

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Speaker 1: of the DNA tests, the way it's written, the way

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Speaker 1: it's worded, because again not typically because they're looking to

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Speaker 1: act actually disprove the guilt, but they're they're looking to

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Speaker 1: just obfuscate the actual situation and the actual test. So

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Speaker 1: even though you have a test that shows, okay, there

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Speaker 1: is a match between here and here, they'll play all

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Speaker 1: these games with the words, with the phrasing, with the

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Speaker 1: math involved to try to make it seem like there

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Speaker 1: is a disconnect when in fact there really isn't one.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and I mean that the way that testimony, or

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Speaker 15: that line of questioning from the defendant's defense lawyer went

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Speaker 15: made me think of exactly that, like, you're you're bringing

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Speaker 15: up this very very one vague fact, there's five other

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Speaker 15: people's DNA there, but you're not talking about who those

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Speaker 15: people are or how much of their DNA was found,

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Speaker 15: And I'm found on what and the odds that that

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Speaker 15: sort of evidence will be meaningful once those questions are

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Speaker 15: answered as low because if you know what, you know,

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Speaker 15: what she didn't say was that Tyler Robinson's DNA was

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Speaker 15: not among the five people. Right, That's that's a very

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Speaker 15: obvious missing.

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Speaker 3: Game, exactly right.

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Speaker 15: So if Tyler Robinson's DNA is among the five people,

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Speaker 15: and you know that that, that would seem to be

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Speaker 15: the more relevant piece of information that it demonstrates that

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Speaker 15: for example, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Just to add on that is so okay, so he was,

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Speaker 1: he was, But also, you know, there's other pieces of

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Speaker 1: information then that you have this, So this is just

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Speaker 1: logical deduction. So okay, we can we can say, all right,

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Speaker 1: you know, who are those other four people?

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Speaker 3: Can they be? You know, was it family members? Was

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Speaker 3: it friends? Can we look at this?

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Speaker 1: But then also, this isn't the This this type of

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Speaker 1: argument or this type of line of questioning only really

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Speaker 1: makes sense if you look at this piece of evidence

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum and don't consider the fact that, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: do we have evidence of anyone else running into those

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Speaker 1: woods and then coming out of those woods on the

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Speaker 1: ring camera? Oh, we don't for the entire period of time,

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Speaker 1: which included the time that we know that police were

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Speaker 1: there surveiling the area, securing the area. He actually says

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Speaker 1: in one of his own text messages, I can't go

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Speaker 1: recover the gun because there's.

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Speaker 3: A police officer.

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Speaker 1: So we know police were there fairly, fairly quickly in

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Speaker 1: the area where the gun was, where the rifle was.

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Speaker 1: Is there a cell phone, you know trail? Is there

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Speaker 1: an electronic trail from a cell phone that can be

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Speaker 1: tied as well? Were any of these other people in

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Speaker 1: the d that were found on the DNA? Were there

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Speaker 1: electronics signature is found there as well?

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Speaker 3: Footprints?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I could go down the list of all

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Speaker 1: of these other ways that you can prove, so it's

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Speaker 1: it's never just one piece of evidence. But of course

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Speaker 1: in this instance, they'll try to make you think, well, oh,

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Speaker 1: this shows that something else was involved. They do this

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Speaker 1: with the OJ trial all the time, by the way,

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Speaker 1: when it's like, well, someone else was there, But we

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Speaker 1: can tell that there were only three people on that sidewalk.

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Speaker 3: We can tell that.

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Speaker 1: From the evidence. There's only evidence of three people. So

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Speaker 1: you just can't add these people because there's no evidence.

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Speaker 15: Of that, right, I mean, who else is going to

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Speaker 15: have add access to this specific gun prior to kirk shooting.

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Speaker 15: That's another obvious question, right, Suddenly you have five people

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Speaker 15: with the DNA on it. Okay, you can everybody on

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Speaker 15: that list who would have not possibly had access to

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Speaker 15: this gun is irrelevant because it means that their DNA

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Speaker 15: came onto the scene after the crime was committed. Okay,

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Speaker 15: So now we're down to just who the family members

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Speaker 15: is there, and then maybe there's like or it's Twigs

883
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 15: or something. Is there any evidence that a guy matching

884
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 15: twigs description was on scene? Is there any electronic evidence

885
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 15: in any of these other people were in the shooter's nest?

886
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 15: Oh no, just Tyler Robinson. Okay, Like this is you know,

887
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 15: the funny thing is the defense lawyer is bringing up

888
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 15: this piece of information as though it's going to be

889
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 15: vindicate them, But in reality, the fact that there's only

890
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 15: five DNA matches to the crime scene and Tyler Robinson

891
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 15: is among them is a devastating fact for the defense

892
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 15: and it's going to be something the prosecution actually leans on.

893
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 15: And so, you know, I think maybe she's just trying

894
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 15: to sort of set the frame in these preliminary hearings

895
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 15: well before any any evidential rules come into play because,

896
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 15: like you know, obviously this line of questioning wouldn't be

897
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 15: allowed in trial in front of the jury, because there's

898
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 15: like the lack of foundation, there's all sorts of other

899
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 15: problems with it. But we're in a preliminary heart of

900
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 15: discussing whether or not the go ahead.

901
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: No, no, but I was going to say that, you know,

902
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: we say we're not in front of the jury, but

903
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: in a sense we are, because she herself brings up

904
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Speaker 1: the fact that there have been theories bound bandied around

905
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: on social media, that there's this entire firestorm going on

906
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: regarding this. She well knows and is in fact the

907
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: one that calls attention to the social media theories and

908
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: this very real sense that potential jurors are on social

909
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: media who may have seen this. She knows exactly what

910
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: she's doing. She wants this piece of information to get

911
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: out there, to sow the seeds of doubt not just

912
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: in the jurors, but in anyone who's going to be

913
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: in that member of members of that twelve person jury pool,

914
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: the two alternates, et cetera.

915
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: That she is already working to do that.

916
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: That's why she asked that question because she wants the

917
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: headline out there.

918
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: That's correct.

919
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 15: I reminded when leek one you was talked about one

920
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 15: of the cases he handled in Singapore in his youth

921
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 15: as when he was actually a practicing litigator, practicing criminal

922
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 15: defense lawyer, and he talks about how he basically, you know,

923
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 15: pushed this theory that he knew was not what actually happened.

924
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 15: He knew his client was guilty, but he pushed this

925
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 15: theory and aggressively tried to bring it up and persuaded

926
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Speaker 15: a jury to equipment. And that's ultimately what led lequan

927
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Speaker 15: U to oppose trial by jury in Singapore was his

928
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 15: own ability to get understand that juries were very, very afallible.

929
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 15: So that sounds like what this lawyer is doing. Like,

930
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 15: I don't blame this lawyer for doing their job. Their

931
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 15: job is to, you know, within the bounds of ethical responsibility,

932
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 15: try and put forward arguments and make the case for

933
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 15: their client and increase the chances that they'll be acquitted.

934
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 15: I'm not going to get mad at the lawyer for

935
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 15: doing their job. But it's obviously the obligation of the

936
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 15: judge to you know, rule the correct way on promotions

937
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 15: which are are not not meritorious. If not, they're not frivolous,

938
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 15: but they're not certainly not meritorious. And then for the

939
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 15: general public to understand what she's doing and to just say, look,

940
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 15: this is you know, this.

941
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Is not what What was your sense argument here? What

942
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: was your sense of the tone? Because for me, Andrew Burkhardt,

943
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: I believe described her as pushy.

944
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: I'm I'm calling her theatrical. I would say she was berating, haranguing.

945
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: To me, the tone was an immediate turn off.

946
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 7: Right.

947
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: There are ways to ask that question, There are ways

948
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: to boldly ask that question. But the tone, the demeanor

949
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: just seem very dismissive and this sort of lot, this

950
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: like sarcastic. Oh you'll help him, but he's not helping

951
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: the prosecutor. He's answering the question. And you know, I

952
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: don't know if if I just as an objective person,

953
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: when people use tones like that, I it really turns

954
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: me off. You know, you know what, how much of

955
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: that role do you think plays in the jury?

956
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 9: Who know?

957
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 15: I mean, who knows if she use a different tone

958
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 15: of the jury. I can tell you that, I mean,

959
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 15: in these preliminary hearings, this is very unoppressive to judges

960
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 15: and very unoppressive to her opposite counsel, like, Okay, that's

961
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 15: not that important, but it's unimpressive to judge. It's unimpressive

962
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 15: to the judges clerks, this sort of the sort of

963
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 15: dramatics and emotional histrionics when you know the judges trying

964
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 15: to get the law right and we're all you know,

965
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 15: these are people who are in the courtroom all day,

966
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 15: every day, so they're not impressed by sort of baseless theatrics,

967
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 15: and judges, in my experience, get really irritated by this

968
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 15: tone being taken with them in motion hearings, like they

969
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 15: really just want you to stick to the facts and

970
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 15: the law and not get indignant as a counsel. The

971
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 15: judges really don't like arrogant, indignant lawyers in front of

972
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 15: them when they especially when they're arguing to the judge

973
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 15: for the judges ruling on something. So I think I

974
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 15: don't think she's doing herself any favors with this, And

975
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 15: even if I were her colleague, I would be telling

976
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 15: her that you know this, save whatever your dramatics are

977
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 15: for the jury, maybe, but certainly do not do this

978
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 15: sort of stuff in front of the judge who will

979
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Speaker 15: not be impressed.

980
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when you know the reason that they're even

981
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: having this entire hearing, which is again we're still pre

982
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: arraignment at this point, is because of her her own challenge.

983
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: So it's like we're all here because of you know, this,

984
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: having these extra hearings, because of your emotions. So you know,

985
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: anything that you're doing to you know clearly, you know,

986
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: stand on your soapbox and perform is is. I'm sorry,

987
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: she's playing for the cameras. I'm just saying it. She's

988
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: playing for the cameras. There's no question about it in

989
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: my mind. And you know, I agree with you. I

990
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: don't think the judge is you know, I think he's

991
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: a fair guy. I think he's working very hard to

992
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: be fair. But at this end he's given on them

993
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: a lot of leeway. But yes, not not scoring points.

994
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain out of time, incredible analysis As always, of course,

995
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: we'll have you back on as this trial continues.

996
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 3: For my friend and yours, Charlie Kirk. Where can people

997
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: follow you?

998
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 15: That's right, follw me on ex atl Chamberlain and follow

999
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 15: the article three project is doing at a threep action

1000
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 15: dot

1001
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Com ladies and gentlemen, As always you have my permission

1002
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: to lay a shore