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Speaker 5: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Shayshay. I am

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Speaker 5: your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shasha.

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Speaker 5: The guy that's stopping by for conversation today is a

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Speaker 5: multi platinum selling artist, A gifted songwriter, choir master, extraordinary producer, director,

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Speaker 5: superstar music genius. He was the first gospel artist to

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Speaker 5: sell over a million coffies on his first album, first

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Speaker 5: person to spend one hundred weeks at number one on

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Speaker 5: the Billboards Songwriting Chart. A nineteen time Grammy Award winning artist,

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Speaker 5: inaugural inductee of the Black Music and Entertainment Walk of Fame,

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Speaker 5: television and film executive producer, host, motivational speaker, New York

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Speaker 5: Times bestselling author, thirty years in the industry, A father,

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Speaker 5: a husband, a philanthropist, trailblazer, icon legend, phenomenon, the king

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Speaker 5: of urban gospel.

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Speaker 2: Kirk Franklin.

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Speaker 1: Lies leave lies?

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Speaker 2: Should I leave anything?

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Speaker 1: Out? Lies or all lies? Or all lies?

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Speaker 3: I thought I came here for something real. I already

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Speaker 3: see what we're going to. Let's go ahead and start now.

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Speaker 3: Next question, you are the real star. Next ques the

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Speaker 3: real stuff. I didn't know I was gonna come here

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Speaker 3: because I've been watching your show. Yeah, I'm such a fan. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I love what you do. Yeah, and you're gonna bring God.

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Speaker 1: Notes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But I gotta get But see, I got I

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Speaker 5: got to I gotta let my audience know who I'm

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Speaker 5: bringing to the stage.

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Speaker 3: But I don't care about them Channing, and I care

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Speaker 3: about you. I come here for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we go.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna get to some good stuff. We go, but

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Speaker 5: I gotta get the real I gotta get, I gotta get.

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Speaker 5: I gotta build up. I gotta build this up.

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Speaker 3: Finish, finish, go ahead, whatever you gotta do, please continue,

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Speaker 3: please no no, no, no no no no.

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Speaker 1: We're good. We're good. We're good. We good, bro, We're good.

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Speaker 5: Can thank you, thank you. We're gracing because this is

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Speaker 5: the first time we've had someone. What I try to

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Speaker 5: do at Club shaw Ship, what we try to do

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Speaker 5: as a team, is that we try to bring celebrities, entertainers, musicians,

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Speaker 5: all different walks that has a very interesting story, and

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Speaker 5: we're gonna get to your story because I believe you

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Speaker 5: have a very very unique and very interesting story and

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Speaker 5: so hopefully you can share some stories that you've never

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Speaker 5: told before. But let's things for the very first time

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Speaker 5: and let audience get an opportunity to seek.

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Speaker 3: As long as you try to make it all churchy,

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Speaker 3: you're all stiffy. As long as you just keep it

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Speaker 3: real swagging like you did everybody else, don't be coming

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Speaker 3: in here. I don't want to communion crackers.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't want none of that, you know, just you know,

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Speaker 3: keep it real. You already brought me some water because

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Speaker 3: I know as I see you got your shay shape, George,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Water right quick?

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Speaker 3: Well, if that's what you want to do, that's what

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Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen. Do you see it right now? That

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Speaker 3: I'm getting water poured by one of the greatest athletes

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Speaker 3: and uh commentators of my time. Isn't this a beautiful thing?

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Speaker 3: This is such a blessing, such a blessing. But the

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Speaker 5: Wine, so don't well maybe you can tell maybe you

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Speaker 5: turned the car, Kurt. I would thank you, brother, I

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Speaker 5: know your busin man, Thank you talking about it. Thank

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Speaker 5: you King, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I want to. I want to.

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Speaker 5: I want to start with your career and then I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna work my way backwards, which is something very unique

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Speaker 5: because I think you're a very unique individual and I

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Speaker 5: want to put a different.

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Speaker 1: And this is very nice too.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that. You know, it's until we get our

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Speaker 5: own established, which is working. Let it show take this out. Okay,

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Speaker 5: you were nominated. You've been nominated thirty one time for

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Speaker 5: the Grammy. You won nineteen. The first time you won

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Speaker 5: the Grammy? What did it mean and what the subsequent

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Speaker 5: Grammys mean? First grandmar I won. I was at home,

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Speaker 2: You didn't go to the Warshione.

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Speaker 1: First time I want.

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Speaker 3: I was at home in the bed, you know, And

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Speaker 3: it was back in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: What happened was.

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Speaker 3: And you know, and I really hope that you can

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Speaker 3: can talk about anything. Is that, you know coming up?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes in church, you can be in communities, they can

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Speaker 3: how old are you? I'm fifty five?

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Speaker 1: Fifty five? Okay, so so so what name? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So you know there's this time where anything that looked

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Speaker 3: like it was in church was the devil.

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Speaker 1: You remember that back in.

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Speaker 2: The day I do.

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Speaker 1: It drives you crazy.

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Speaker 3: Now, So a lot of times I would I would

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the world.

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Speaker 2: You would accuate to what they thought you should be.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I stayed at home my first Grammar World.

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Speaker 3: I stayed at home in bed because I didn't want

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Speaker 1: The world stuff. Right, That's why I didn't go. That's

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Speaker 3: And there were other artists that I were around that well,

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Speaker 5: You mentioned that you stay, you downplayed it because you

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Speaker 5: accuate as to what the world thought a gospel musician,

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Speaker 5: urban gospel musician should be, how they should present themselves.

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Speaker 2: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 1: It is? It is.

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Speaker 3: It is an ideology from a coach and a generation

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Speaker 3: of biblical illiteracy. So a lot of times when it

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Speaker 3: These are our ideals that these these are our feelings

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Speaker 1: We want to make our ideas what.

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Speaker 3: And when you don't submit to what I think you

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Speaker 5: Okay, but what I tell people, feelings aren't facts exactly.

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Speaker 5: Because you feel a certain way, that doesn't make it true,

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Speaker 5: that doesn't make it the gospel. So how so when

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Speaker 3: When I started to see that nothing I was doing

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. People can see that not

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Speaker 3: David David Eastman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know, we

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Speaker 5: Or their interpretation because it's passed out you know, their parents,

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Speaker 3: And a lot of that from that generation was the

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: Yes, how does when you go in how do you

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Speaker 5: know I heard rappers? Like you know, I get up

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Speaker 2: And melodies from? How did they come about? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Have you heard a sing I have not?

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Speaker 3: Somebody please get this man take me to the King.

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Speaker 3: When this is over, he's got to hear this song.

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Speaker 5: Do you like, Okay, you're you sleep just like I'm sleeping.

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Speaker 2: Well? Are you winning in the shower? Do you get

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Speaker 5: What's Kurk Franklin. Are you a better singer? Are you

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Speaker 1: It don't make no sense.

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Speaker 3: It don't make no sense how God has been able

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, Shannon, but as a

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Speaker 3: Because Shannon, I don't even know where they come from.

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Speaker 1: God, just give me. God just be giving me.

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Speaker 3: These music and lyrics and melodies. God just be kind

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Speaker 3: But it's because I found out early on. I started

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Speaker 1: He said that he is coming back. Don don Don

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Speaker 3: And I would teacher to the choir. I teach you

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Speaker 3: I was doing all the Earth when at Fire Cool

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00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 3: and the Gang Joints. And so that's how it kind

443
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 3: of just started for me early on.

444
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 5: You kind of like a hot man, you kind of

445
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 5: like DJ Callen because you get the the choir sing.

446
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm I'm better looking, and I moved around a little. Yeah, Cali,

447
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 3: Cali got bad knees. It's got love you, Cavin.

448
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 5: So how long does it typically take you from start

449
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 5: to finish to complete a song.

450
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: It all depends. It can be in one night.

451
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 3: It can be you write a song of the night,

452
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 3: take me to the King, God give me that song

453
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: and one night. Uh, I smiled, God give it to

454
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 3: me in a day, uh Stone And yeah, most most

455
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: of the time, most of the time I'm going to

456
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: labor with a song. I'm I'm not gonna let it

457
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 3: just ride. Like Melodies from Heaven. I was up at

458
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: my old high school and working with high school choir

459
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: when God lonely Melodies from Heaven nineteen ninety four. Melodie

460
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: from Heaven was nineteen ninety four.

461
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 5: Wow, when you're writing, do you have any idea how successful?

462
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 2: Nong it's gonna be.

463
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: No.

464
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 5: Never have you ever been surprised, like, I don't know

465
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 5: about this one? Yes, and it blows away and you're like, oh,

466
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 5: this is a camp basing like dang, I.

467
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 3: Have never had a song that I was confident in.

468
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: Never now, Kirk Franklin, you that don't mean nothing. That

469
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: don't mean nothing. I'm always shocked. I'm never confident in

470
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 3: the song, never in my life. And I'm not trying

471
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: to be false humility, dude, I'm separate chilling. One of

472
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 3: the dopest players in the game Bad History. I'm not

473
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 3: gonna be, you know, be on any cap. I literally

474
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: have never had a song that I was confident that

475
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: people going into from my smile to looking for you,

476
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: medicine Heaven while we sing now Gold the Lamb, I mean,

477
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: my life is in your hands all these songs.

478
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 5: Uh, why do you believe you've been able to connect

479
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 5: with so many people across so many different genres.

480
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.

481
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 3: I you know, it's I think that the weirdest thing

482
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: is for me when when the songs do, if there's anything,

483
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: maybe God kind of took my beginning. And because I

484
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: was a hip hop dancer my name is kid Fresh.

485
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: When I was back in the day, I could spend

486
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,479
Speaker 3: on my head, I could rap at skating ring, you know,

487
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: and I was influenced by urban music. I didn't get

488
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: influenced until but by gust music until I was about sixteen.

489
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: A friend of mine got killed and then that summer

490
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: I trusted the low in my heart that that summer

491
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 3: and got a little more serious with my faith.

492
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: But before that, you know, smoking.

493
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: Weed on a church parket lot, you know, wild and

494
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: that back in the you know how the churches used

495
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: to have like the Little locke Ins and the teenager

496
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 3: will spend the night church. Oh, it was a lot

497
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: of wronging a lot.

498
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: It was a lot of wrong going back to the church.

499
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: So you know, you know, you know, I I I

500
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 3: think that I also think that what gospel music was

501
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: not doing that. I think that I didn't intentionally try

502
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: to do I was just trying to get my own help.

503
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 3: I think I was just really honest about how I

504
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: felt in songs, like if I didn't believe God was

505
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 3: gonna do something, I didn't write it.

506
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: I would write help me believe.

507
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: Or you know, if you know, if you know, like

508
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: a song like imagine me. Like I was always just

509
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: trying to be honest in my songs. I wasn't trying

510
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: to act like I was already there. It's because I

511
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: wasn't there. I was struggling. So I think I included

512
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 3: a lot of my struggle in where I was in

513
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: life in songs. And I think maybe, and I can

514
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: only say maybe, because I don't know God's playing, then

515
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: maybe what it did for people that said for people

516
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: they were like me too. You know what I'm saying,

517
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm there too, you know, And that's the only thing,

518
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: that's the only thing.

519
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: I can think of it.

520
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, because, bro, you don't know how many

521
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 3: dope gospel artists are out there. And I know that,

522
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's for whatever reason, maybe because

523
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm little and whatever, you know, people see me more.

524
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: Whatever.

525
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: But man, there's so many people in this genre, Shannon,

526
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: They cold, cold songwriters, cold singers, and you know, man,

527
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm just trying my best to let people know that

528
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: it's not just Kirk Franklin is not only in gospel music.

529
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: There are so many people, and I feel like it's

530
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: my job to shed light on how many dope you know,

531
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: Jonathan Mcreynold's and Tasha Cobbs, Lennard, the Walls Group, Doe.

532
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so many hitters out here, so many

533
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: channeler more.

534
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: Man, it's some beast in the game.

535
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 5: Do you think because of your age you were able

536
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 5: to bring a younger generation into secular music? Because when

537
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 5: I was growing up, it was Shirley Caesar, it was

538
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 5: the Mississippi.

539
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: Man's Choir, it was all.

540
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 5: It was the older Now maybe now that I look

541
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 5: back at it, I mean, maybe they weren't that much older,

542
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: But it was just they seemed.

543
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: They way older than you. Yeah, they're way older.

544
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: But you, I mean in your twenties.

545
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: Shirley Sees is one hundred and thirty seven years old.

546
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: That's my mom. I love. Who were you listening to?

547
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: Like like like like, did you ever listen to any

548
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: gospel music when you was back in the day?

549
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: Well, my grandfather, yeah, chirty Caesar.

550
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: But you you and then you you no, no.

551
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: No no no no no no. We not riding to ride.

552
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 5: As soon as soon as they got at the call,

553
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 5: we popped something else here, We popped the earth.

554
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: Wait to fire the barcade?

555
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: Ohio player, Yes, sir, did you ever listen to any

556
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: of my.

557
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: Music back then?

558
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: Oh? The ones that just came over.

559
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: Got you Got, You Got, You Got, you Got, you got,

560
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: you got, got your soul?

561
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

562
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: So so then you didn't know that there was a

563
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: whole bunch of like hitters. No, yeah, oh man, Chumpy

564
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: Key Fred, heaven have you heard of these guys? I

565
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: have not, brother, Jumpy Key Fred Hammon Man, just bro.

566
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: Just the list I'm talking about is I'm talking about

567
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: Shannon through the artists that went Beyonce and Joe des

568
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: He would walk into the room. They'd be doing this

569
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: to these artists because see, you got to remember, gospel

570
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 3: music influenced Black.

571
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so they grew up.

572
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Whitney grew up in the church and everybody, everybody.

573
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: So when they walked into the room and a Fred

574
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: Hammond was in the room, or the Clark sisters was

575
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: in the room, Dude, the biggest pop stars justin Timberlake,

576
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: they idolize these people in gospel music. And I think

577
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: I really do believe, Shanon, that I'm that that one

578
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: of my callings in life is to shed light on

579
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: the talent and the greatness that exists in my community.

580
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 5: How were you able to get some of the biggest

581
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: artists from other genres to collab with you? I'm looking

582
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 5: at you. Get Whitney and Kanye Mary j Jill Scott,

583
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 5: little Baby, chance to wrap a Mariah j T JB.

584
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 5: De Melvado, Babyface, Stevie wanted Tomorrow Braxton boys, DEMI saw

585
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 5: how I.

586
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: Don't know, So what's the call? Okay? Like man, I think,

587
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: I mean I would like to have beyonso or I'd

588
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: like to have this. So you you just put.

589
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: In life some and then some are relationships that others

590
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: may have and say, hey, so and so wants to

591
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: you to jump on something, or it may be a

592
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: movie and the studio it's like, hey, we want to

593
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 3: put you together with so and so so.

594
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: You know.

595
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: So it's just been just a multiplicity of moments that

596
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: have just kind of, you know, just come from relationship.

597
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: And then you know, there were also people like a

598
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: Mary J. Blige or or or a Pharrell, And these

599
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: are people that were raised in the church that knew

600
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: the music that I was already doing because they were

601
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: listening to it in their own private time. So when

602
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: it was time to do something, they were already at

603
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: clim made it not necessarily to me, but through the

604
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 3: music that I was doing and really loved it. And

605
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: so you know, that kind of built some relationships. So

606
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 3: it's it's it's been a myriad of ways. And I'm

607
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: just very grateful.

608
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: Who was in the studio. Kurk frankly was.

609
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: In all of Stevie Wonder, Steve because he's Stevie Wonder,

610
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: and Stevie Wonder allowed me to produce him to Now

611
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 3: that's what gave me get Now, that's what gave me

612
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: Bubba Guts. I got Bubba Guts because I because I

613
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: was I was recommending some things for him to do vocally, right,

614
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: and it's like and he was cool with I'm like, okay,

615
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: I can't believe that he's trusting my compass in this

616
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 3: song moment, and he did and it was it was

617
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: you know, and I was like, and I mean, just

618
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: to have that for me was life changing because you

619
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: talk about somebody who has just reached over generations in decades, yes,

620
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: and you know, and you talk about goat status, you know,

621
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: like he's out pack of status, you know what I mean,

622
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: our packer, you know, So you know, to be able

623
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: to have that was just a very beautiful moment.

624
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Well, Michael with me. I never worked with Michael. You

625
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: never worked with Michael, so what would have been?

626
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: Like I've worked with some of but but watched this

627
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: though John McClain, who's an incredible guy who oversees Michael

628
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: Jackson's the state. John McLean got me my deal over

629
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: at inter School for Jimmy Ivean several years ago. And

630
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: John McLean oversees the state and so they're always reimagining

631
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: Michael's uh, his his catalog and so there have been

632
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: some projects that I've redone that had Michael on it,

633
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: And so I'm in the studio listening to Michael's raw

634
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: vocals and just so you know, it's it's been amazing.

635
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: What's that? What's that? What's that like? Because we know,

636
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 5: I mean, we grew up with Mike. I'm talking about

637
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: in the Jackson five and then he went off the wall.

638
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: Big nos, Michael, little nose, Michael, baby heard Michael.

639
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we grew up with Mike. So what's

640
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: it like to like the here his voice unfiltered?

641
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: It is, it is It makes you feel a level

642
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: of unworthiness that you are experiencing royalty in the room

643
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: to be able to take all the tracks out and

644
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: you can hear just Michael breathing and Michael singing and

645
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: Michael doing pants and I'm talking about I've been blessed

646
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: to work on quite a few projects for Jonathan, I mean,

647
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: for for for John McClain, where I'm working on Michael's

648
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: raw vocals. I'm working with Michael's stuff that he did

649
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: with his brothers and stuff he did with himself and

650
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 3: trying to reimagine it. And it is like rawty and

651
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: the fact that he was that cold because back then.

652
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: One no auto tune, you know what I mean?

653
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: That's him, but bro, that's him stomping and breathing while

654
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: he's singing. It's it's it's because everything right now, you know,

655
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: is don't nobody want to hate on the next generation.

656
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: But everything is so produced, Everything is so filtered.

657
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: Down at times.

658
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: But the challenge is was overproducer now is what people's

659
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: ears accustomed to, and so people like it.

660
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Right, So if you don't overproduce it, they gonna think

661
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: that person.

662
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Can't they don't like it anymore. It's because now music

663
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: is not music anymore. Music now is a vibe, right,

664
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 3: It's a vibe and and and if the musical had

665
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: that vibe, and sometimes the vibe is overproduced. Sometimes the

666
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: vibe is slowed down. Slow the voice down, filter the

667
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: voice down. So you're not going nowhere like Michael. Because

668
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: Michael was just breathing, sweating, and you can you can

669
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: hit a stank on the microphone, spitting on the microphone.

670
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: And you know that that that was a great moment

671
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: for me.

672
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 5: Prince Michael Whitney, if you had an opportunity to work

673
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: with those what do you think that.

674
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Would be like for you, I've had a chance to

675
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: work with Whitney.

676
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: How's Whitney's voice?

677
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: You know, are you here?

678
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: I mean to hear it on a on a on

679
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: a record to hear and when he's doing things, But

680
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: to be there, it has to be different in studio

681
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 5: than it is.

682
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: M M yeah, yeah, you know she she well And

683
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: then see Whitney is not fair because Whitney was a

684
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: church girl and she never churched, she never turned that off.

685
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: So it wasn't far removed from the worlds that we

686
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: lived in. Her and c C were cool, She was

687
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: cool with all these other people. So so Whitney was

688
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: just an extension of the world that I came from.

689
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Prince Prince came. I was, I was.

690
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: I was seated at an event channing and during a

691
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: commercial break, Prince came down to me and kneel before

692
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: me and he gave me. He said, here's my number,

693
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: and I want you to come to Minneapolis and jam

694
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: with me.

695
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't go. It was so early

696
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: on in my career.

697
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: Those voices from that church culture, because you know, you

698
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: know Prince, you know he'll do music.

699
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: And his draws.

700
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll come.

701
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: To study on a g strike.

702
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yellow, Yeah.

703
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, and so you know, people seeing

704
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: his cheeks out, I didn't want to be trying to argue, well,

705
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: you know what, you know what, you know, his cheeks

706
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 3: is a bed to do good music, you know. So

707
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: so I didn't even return them, is I didn't even

708
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: I didn't even take him up on all he said.

709
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: He said, I want you come to Minneapolis and jam.

710
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: And I didn't do it. Man, I didn't do it.

711
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: He called the crib.

712
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: You gotta go just to see Pays the park.

713
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I know I want to. He called the crib.

714
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: He called the crib bro and kissed my baby and

715
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: said hey, say hey to Tamm before he left. And

716
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: and I let fear get in the way of me

717
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: working with him.

718
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 5: What artist today would you like to do collab with

719
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: that you have it? If you haven't done what with them?

720
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 5: Who would you like to do a collab with?

721
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: You know, as I know that some of the church

722
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: folk would probably give me again. Man, But you know,

723
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: I am a fan of the lyrical genius of Sean Carter.

724
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Oh I am, I am.

725
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: I think lyrically he's a juggernaut, the fact that he

726
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: doesn't write what he says down and the intentionality of

727
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: the conversations that he has good and bad. Right, you know,

728
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm I'm just I've always been because you know, we're

729
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: in the same age Democrat, you know, so I've got

730
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: to you know, I've had a chance to live with

731
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: with his journey.

732
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: It would be Sean.

733
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: Carter and uh Sting wow Sting from the police. Those

734
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: those would be my two dream And if he was living,

735
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: I would love to work with Andre Crouch.

736
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: Andre Kroutch was a great guy.

737
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the wine, I.

738
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: Think all that James Cleveland, all that grandfather age.

739
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, man.

740
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: But so Prince was the one that you like, man,

741
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 5: I mean, he might have had y'all min could have.

742
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: Done a song together.

743
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: His cheeks was out.

744
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: It was a man that got nothing to do with that.

745
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: The man, like you said, he was a genius. Oh

746
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 5: you talk about right?

747
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: Oh oh, and you know, like like I don't even

748
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: have that conversation with people, you know where everybody bring

749
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: up the Michael of Prince. I don't even do that.

750
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: But first of all, it's it's an insult to their greatness.

751
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: But they were two different different, two different phenoms. But

752
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: Prince musically the fact, because you know Prince could play

753
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: every instruments and then he could go to the studio

754
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: and engineer what he plays. That's just a whole nother bohemos.

755
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's yeah.

756
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

757
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: You gonna walk You gonna walk around with your cheeks out.

758
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: If you can do all that, you see what I'm saying.

759
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: Yea, his mind has to be because you think about

760
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 5: what Raspberry ray and and and and pink and pink.

761
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Cash made all of that mind.

762
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 5: Jesus, oh, purple rain unders the cherry moons.

763
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: His nose in April, just even that line. And he

764
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: was having that kind of line back in the eighties.

765
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, he was new. He was way ahead of

766
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: his time. Yeah, because the way he was thinking, I

767
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 5: was like, you.

768
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: Remember Lady cap Driver, Yes, do you know that's him

769
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: on drums? Is it listen to their pack to pack

770
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: the boom back?

771
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: Better packed back? Doom pack to packed up? Princess playing drums.

772
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: Lady cab Driver, won't you take me? Yeah?

773
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: It's genius.

774
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, so as far as songwriters, you might have to.

775
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: Like Stevie Prince babyface, baby yeah face, Stevie Prince Babyface,

776
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you who I think. Let me

777
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: tell you who. I'm gonna tell your name, and you

778
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: tell me what you think of his name. Let me

779
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: tell you who I think should have been with Like

780
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: you remember when Dady had domain over all?

781
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: What was happening musically? Yeah, let me tell who I think?

782
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: And Timberland like like like you remember how much Yeah,

783
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: ain't Timberland had just a real estate.

784
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: Let me tell you your name.

785
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw out a name to you, and I'm

786
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: gonna tell you who I think that we slept on

787
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: that he should have been. The name that really dominated

788
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: the conversation of nineties black pop music. Davante from Jodasy. Yeah,

789
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: you remember the sound that Jodasy brought in because they

790
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: were church boys, Yes, they were church boys.

791
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: But Davante's he brought something else that what he brought,

792
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: what he brought.

793
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: Brought in a lot of babies, brought a lot of babies,

794
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: a lot of babies. Davante's production, if you listen to

795
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: those Jodysy records, his production, it was like what But

796
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: then again he come up under You know that that Virginia.

797
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: World him for real Timberland.

798
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: But but miss he was working he was working on

799
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: Missy Elliston Davante. Davante, I think is a name that

800
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 3: we miss and forget when it comes to popular black music.

801
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: So when you you go down this path, you're you're

802
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 5: denying who you really are to appease the masses because

803
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 5: that's what they think it should be. You're trying to

804
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: appease them, so that's what you think it should be.

805
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 5: So now, so how do you make that flip and

806
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 5: want to perform? Because you're a performer at the end

807
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 5: of the day. Yeah, you're a songwriter. Yeah you can sing,

808
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 5: but I've seen you. You're a performer at the end

809
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: of the day.

810
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, saw ya.

811
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: What do you send me for?

812
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 5: I got TV you. You're a performer, and when you're

813
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: up there, I think sometimes you like, Okay, yeah, I

814
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 5: know this is second suburban gospel music, but you're not

815
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 5: You're not moving like Miss Magic Brother Brown in the

816
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 5: Deacon's Course.

817
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: I just enjoy having fun. I enjoy having fun. I

818
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: enjoy what I when I'm when i'm when i'm when

819
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm blessed to do and I love getting excited about

820
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: my faith and I love it get excited about the music.

821
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: And sometimes I'm probably sometimes I probably do too much.

822
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: I know I probably move around too much. But you

823
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: know I'm I'm forgetting and getting just getting lost in

824
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: the beauty of the moments.

825
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: You know, Man, apply if want to do a don't

826
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: want to do a collapse.

827
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: He don't want to do nothing.

828
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: He'll want that. He don't want to do nothing.

829
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: He'll want to do nothing. He'll want do not he

830
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: be talking.

831
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: He'd be running, he'd be just running.

832
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: Hear that, he said, you'd be talking you want me?

833
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

834
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because we we were supposed to being a

835
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: guy together. We was gonna do something in Florida and Miami.

836
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: What do we have?

837
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: He don't want to do nothing, He'll w't do nothing.

838
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: Is because I think he's really, really, really afraid that

839
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: I could be his daddy swag.

840
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 5: I mean you come here today, you got the l

841
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: V on, you dripped. I mean, you're not dressed tipping

842
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 5: like the church would want you to dress. So how

843
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 5: did you say?

844
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: You know what?

845
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 5: Man, I ain't for the window, Square Toe Gator, I

846
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: ain't for the window Stacy Adam window, real socks.

847
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm not fit to wear the low jacket.

848
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: Hey, but there was a time I did though, That's

849
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

850
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: There was a time I did.

851
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 3: I had the guy, I had the square toe game.

852
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: You a small man, though, you can't be wearing those

853
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: big old zoo suit I know.

854
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: And that's why I look the food. That's why I

855
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: look the food, trying to pease the church people. You know,

856
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: it's I just think that I'm Shanny.

857
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: You know how it is.

858
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: Man, the older you get, the more comfortable. Yes, you

859
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: find yourself in your skin.

860
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta be.

861
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

862
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm fifty three. My first album came up I was

863
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: twenty three. So I've lived through my twenties. I've lived

864
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: through my thirties, I've lived through my forties.

865
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable.

866
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: Who don't like me now, ain't gonna like me?

867
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: Correct?

868
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Not at fifty three.

869
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: Ain't nothing I can do to change anybody's mind now nothing.

870
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: And those who rock with me, you know, we'll go

871
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: to baby Gap and I don't give me a ones in,

872
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

873
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: And keep it pushing.

874
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: So the dash moves, I mean, when you up there

875
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I mean you be doing the later down.

876
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: I mean you be watching, Oh my gosh, and you

877
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: incorporating them.

878
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I'll be just having fun.

879
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm not a dancer. Like I couldn't go to a

880
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: studio and learn choreography, right, I couldn't. I would be horrible.

881
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 3: And a one and a two and a and a

882
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: stop and the turner. I couldn't do it. It would

883
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: be horrible. So I'm just really having fun. I'm just

884
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: having fun. I'm having fun, and I'm an excited man

885
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: to be telling people how double Jesus is.

886
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Man, and I have a good time doing it. I

887
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: just have a good time.

888
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: I think that what has always been confusing to me, Shannon,

889
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: is that we say that we got the truth, we

890
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: say we got the light of love, and we got

891
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: the hope and compass from people. But we can be

892
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: the most square, the most lame acting people in the world.

893
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: And so for me, I.

894
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: Just need to be counterintuitive to all of the social

895
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: constructs of what people think a Christian should be and

896
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: shouldn't be and shouldn't do. What I'm walking around telling

897
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: y'all the man I'm in love with the creator of

898
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: the universe.

899
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: Right, that should get you lit right.

900
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: That shouldn't get you turned more than more than talking

901
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: about you know, as I was on the block, you know,

902
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: with with that, with that, with that work in my

903
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: backpack and whoop, And it's like, bro, bro, I'm out

904
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: here giving you this Jesus.

905
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Right, and you can't be letting with me. I'm that

906
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: that has always confused me.

907
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: We should be the most excited, most on fire, most loving,

908
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: most compassionate, most forgiving people in the world because we

909
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: look in the mirror every day and see what we were,

910
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: We see who we are and if it weren't for

911
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: God's grace, where would I be?

912
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we also the most judgmental. You left that part.

913
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: Out and it's sad, But why do you think that is?

914
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: Man?

915
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: And just keep it a buck.

916
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 5: I just think the thing is is that we have

917
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 5: a hard time seeing someone that looks like us have

918
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 5: more than us. It is not the fact that it's

919
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 5: not the fact that they don't have it. They just

920
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 5: don't want you to have it. Because for the longest time,

921
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 5: as long because I've had homies, as long as I

922
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 5: was doing what they were doing, they had the exact

923
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: same thing.

924
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 2: As they had nothing more, nothing less.

925
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: Yeah we're cool. Yeah, I start to go here. They

926
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: didn't go with me. Yeah, not the problem I changed,

927
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 5: Yeah I did. Unfortunate part about it. You didn't change

928
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 5: with me. But it's sad because when I hear most

929
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 5: of the hard screen and I don't have no problem

930
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: with you critiquing me. If there's my performance I'm on

931
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 5: television and something, I didn't worry it properly, okay, But

932
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 5: to just dislike me or to say something so negative.

933
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: Just because, yes, that's the problem. That's where I like.

934
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 5: Joe saying it be your own people, And it does

935
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: because most of the people that criticized me on social media,

936
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: they aint of the opposite race.

937
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: They looked like me.

938
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: My My only criticism seriously would be it's I think

939
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: you brush your teeth too much.

940
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: I just don't see how that's fair to your teeth.

941
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: I just don't to me.

942
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: To me, that's that's that's that's that's that's teeth brutality.

943
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 5: I got one hundred and thirty bands with veneers and implants.

944
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: But they don't need that much into that that.

945
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: That I mean, you can't be all of it.

946
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 5: May you all up in people's faith and they'd be like, yeah, yeah, man, okay,

947
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 5: I'll see you later.

948
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: But Shannon, how often do you do it today? Once again?

949
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: How much fun?

950
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: Seventyeen?

951
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, that that that is discrimination, that

952
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: there's there's there's there's something very cool to that toothbrush.

953
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 3: That can you imagine the trauma that that.

954
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Tooth change it out every two weeks?

955
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: So then you abandoned the toothbrush, That's what I'm saying.

956
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: So you're just so so so you're not even loyal.

957
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 5: No, not to the tooth brush though, I mean with

958
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 5: that many times, I mean you only get you only

959
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 5: get so many brushes out.

960
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: Of a tooth brush.

961
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: I think any therapy maybe Yeah. I just don't think

962
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: that's right. And I'm gonna be praying for you on that.

963
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: Okay, that's why.

964
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: What if I could it down to five.

965
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Half?

966
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 5: But I can't leave the house. I mean I can't

967
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 5: leave the house without brushing my teeth.

968
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 3: So do you have a holotosis problem?

969
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel like your brother?

970
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I don't want to run the.

971
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: Risk I had a woman say it to you.

972
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: No, I've never had so.

973
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: Then I just I would say, but that would be that.

974
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 5: Would be a bad feeling, because I've had I mean,

975
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: have you ever had to tell somebody and if you

976
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 5: have to find the appropriate way to tell someone that.

977
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: Do you know being in church, how many preachers would

978
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: bad breath be praying over you?

979
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

980
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the stinky prayers.

981
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: And that's probably why God ain't heard it pray heard, yeah,

982
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 5: because he keep it them away.

983
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: From looking the girl.

984
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: Brush your teeth once in the morning, Brush your teeth

985
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: before you go to band, no move.

986
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: That's what the average Dennis will tell you.

987
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 5: The new see see remember how they thought in the

988
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 5: church how it should be.

989
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: You see how they see how they pants that down

990
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: to you.

991
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: So you said we got you said we got colonized tennis?

992
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 5: Oh it just after break, after every meal. Now, I

993
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 5: mean as soon as I get up in the morning,

994
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 5: I got before I do anything. I don't go downstairs

995
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 5: before I brush my teeth. That's fair, that's right.

996
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

997
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Now eat, I gotta brush him again, that's kind of fair.

998
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 5: Okay, I get to work, I gotta brush them again.

999
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 5: For you, I gotta brush him again before I go

1000
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 5: in there.

1001
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: What happened?

1002
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: What happened before you left the crib. I mean, you

1003
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: left the crib and you get to work. Ain't nothing happened?

1004
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: Nothing?

1005
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: Nothing though, because if something, if something else happened, then

1006
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: you don't have a tooth brushing problem.

1007
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: You got a whole. There's a whole out of a fungus.

1008
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 5: Nah, I'm good you No, I brushed our fly off,

1009
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 5: I go. Why it's a year to the dinners. You know,

1010
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: makes everything okay inside is good? So no, I don't

1011
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: have no, I don't have no problem. Like you said,

1012
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: maybe you know what, maybe it is a little obsessive,

1013
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: But what's normal? What is normal? Because what's normal to

1014
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 5: you might not be normal to me. Obviously what's normal

1015
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: to me is not normal to you.

1016
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: Well, I brushed my teeth a couple of times a week.

1017
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: That that that's.

1018
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: What I'm lying.

1019
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: I brush my teeth every day, every day, just once

1020
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: in the morning and the night.

1021
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: Shannon, Jesus, I sure hope.

1022
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: You don't go out your house every child.

1023
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: Did you play sports as a child, Shannon, I've been

1024
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 3: this height since I was six, so I've struggled with sports.

1025
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: Now.

1026
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: If you want to play sports now, I.

1027
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: Tried to run track I was good in track, okay,

1028
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: because I was tired to get my butt whips. I

1029
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 3: was always good running, right, you know, So yes, I

1030
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: could run track. I was good in track. But then

1031
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: by the time I got to high school, everybody grew right,

1032
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: and and.

1033
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: It was a rap. It was a rap.

1034
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: So did you did you.

1035
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: The trauma that just coming back in mouth?

1036
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: I just remember just everybody growing up and I didn't

1037
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: get to just to grow up.

1038
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 5: So okay, as a six seven year old, eight year

1039
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 5: old your average height, then all of a sudden, you

1040
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: go for the summer and you steal that same height

1041
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 5: and everybody and then another summer, bro.

1042
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about that.

1043
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: But that summer between the eighth and ninth grade, right,

1044
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: it was like oh oh. And then the summer between

1045
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: the ninth and tenth grade it was oh, it was

1046
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: old like Cusworth.

1047
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: And so every.

1048
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: Year, bro, and it's like, okay, am I gonna be

1049
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: like a little person, you know, you know, like I

1050
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: was gonna have to like, you know, I always carry

1051
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: like a car seat, you know.

1052
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Would I be able to work? Would I be able

1053
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: to ride all the rids of six Flags?

1054
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: You know?

1055
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: You know, well, I always have to work clothes they

1056
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: have like a big zipper in the front, right. You know,

1057
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: I just didn't really know what was gonna happen.

1058
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 5: To that, so obviously you know it. Look, this is

1059
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 5: not new. I mean they call it bullying. Now we

1060
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: call it picky make fun of your size, your height,

1061
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 5: you know how we do.

1062
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: Do you know that when it came to girls and

1063
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: when it came to things I did not have. I

1064
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: did not know that my height was a big issue

1065
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: until I had a career. And then after I had

1066
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: a career, I could hear people say like, oh, he's.

1067
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: Short in person, he's shortened person.

1068
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 3: Right, But but before that, I never had a girl

1069
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: say I'm not gonna.

1070
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: Date you because you're shark.

1071
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: You kind of yeah, that was that was, I mean,

1072
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: I see what ex actly this?

1073
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: What is? What is? Okay? I was because that.

1074
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: Hurt me so bad. I was like, wow, but you

1075
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: said it loud.

1076
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 5: I did, But I didn't need to blurt it out

1077
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 5: like that because I didn't mean to seem as surprised

1078
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 5: as I was.

1079
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: But kind of surprise.

1080
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 5: I because I mean, I mean, normally you know they

1081
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: want the big athlete, they won't but you could.

1082
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: See, you know what you could see I.

1083
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: Could play that.

1084
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: See yeah see that to see that was you couldn't

1085
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: play that.

1086
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 5: Pim See that's what you that's how you. Yeah, musicians,

1087
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 5: entertainers and athletes.

1088
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: You know how short Princess I do. And Prince could

1089
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: take you a woman?

1090
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, now.

1091
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 5: He said, considered the guy in the tenth grade too,

1092
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 5: got so, I don't think PRIs would have any problem.

1093
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: See, man, you got your I was just joking. What

1094
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: was your favorite sport as a child?

1095
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't play sports as a child until

1096
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: school and the right track.

1097
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: Outside of that, it was music. Everything was music.

1098
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: But you had that. Okay, let me, let me, let

1099
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: me please ask.

1100
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: You the athlete. I'm trying to tell you that.

1101
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: Okay from Dallas, please tell me. I'm from Worth, You're

1102
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: from for Worth? Okay, your favorite team.

1103
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: To my favorite?

1104
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: I never had a It's I never had a favorite

1105
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: team coming up. It's because I remember liking land Swan.

1106
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: Well no, no, I remember liking Tony Dark said, I

1107
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: remember liking Joe Namas.

1108
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: I remember liking uh, you know, just just different.

1109
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 5: And I've got at the team where you stayed that

1110
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 5: you're from, Yes, you would all way around the world

1111
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 5: just to say that.

1112
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 2: I like Liz wid I like your name. That stop there.

1113
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: You don't go, well, you love the cowboy.

1114
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: But no, no, it's what I'm saying.

1115
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: I'm not a big sports guy, so I'm not really

1116
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: paying attention until maybe like the playoffs and the championships

1117
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: and then I give.

1118
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 5: You a cowboy pair from you. Ain't got nothing, no

1119
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 5: cowboy helmet.

1120
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: Never had, never hold, no Mavericks nothing. No.

1121
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: I was not the kid I had on my wall.

1122
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: I had pulled out of GQ magazine.

1123
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: That's what I had on my wall.

1124
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: I had to have post them like Ralph Lauren, you know,

1125
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: Perry Yellois.

1126
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that guy.

1127
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I was that kid.

1128
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: You see. It's easy for you to dress.

1129
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh because I'm little, but you'll be flying, I see you.

1130
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1131
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 5: But most of the stuff has to be customer, has

1132
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 5: to be extra lar. But I mean, so you just

1133
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 5: go get off the rack.

1134
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: I do, and some stuff I can get with. The

1135
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: whole thing is on the same rack.

1136
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: Hold on.

1137
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: John Drummond, John Drummond, track runner, Yeah, best friend, John Drummond,

1138
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: best friend, Gold medalist. It just depends what we're running from,

1139
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: depends where we're running from shout out to John Drummond.

1140
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: No, I have a lot of great athlete friends. And then.

1141
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: Dion and I right close friends, em It great friends,

1142
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: Kirk Warner great friends. I have a lot of great friends,

1143
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: Chris Paul, Chris Paul Rock great friends. And they love

1144
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: me because I don't know nothing about what they do.

1145
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: If we don't talk sports, we just talk about life.

1146
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: I know none of the stats and all that.

1147
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: If you weren't a musician, wouldn't Kirk Frankly be doing?

1148
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: I think I would love to be a fourth grade

1149
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: school teacher. What I would love to work with.

1150
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: Kikids bad and the teachers don't make any money.

1151
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: They don't make any money. But I love teaching and help.

1152
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: It might have been okay before the cell phone came out.

1153
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 5: Now you know every fourth grade got a cell.

1154
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: Phone in fourth grade.

1155
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: Then the Internet. Yeah, and they want to be on

1156
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: the cell phone when you teach it.

1157
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: That is true, That is true. But I probably would

1158
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: have loved to be a school teacher or something like that.

1159
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I've been doing music

1160
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: all my whole life. I don't know what else I do.

1161
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 5: You had a movie yeah, hold on, you had a

1162
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 5: soundtrack on the movie Norbit Any given Sunday.

1163
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I had a song in the movie Orbit,

1164
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: and I had a song in any given Sunday.

1165
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: You know that's not normal for.

1166
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: A gospel artist. Yeah, I'm grateful. I'm very grateful.

1167
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: Do you understand just how big you are?

1168
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessary to even even have the conversation.

1169
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: I think that it's a mute moment for me, and

1170
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: there's nothing beneficial about it for me. For me personally,

1171
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's wrong for anybody else, but for Kirk.

1172
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: Conversations of self glory and self self loathing spaces For me,

1173
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: I'd rather be in rooms or have conversations about how

1174
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 3: dope you are or how dope that person is. They've

1175
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: just never been beneficial for me, so I always choose

1176
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: to kind of just kind of bowed those questions and conversations.

1177
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: Have you ever considered getting into acting?

1178
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: I've done a little bit of stuff here and there,

1179
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: kind of doubled. We have a show right now on

1180
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: on b ET Plus called Kingdom Business, and I'm an

1181
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: executive producer along with Devon Franklin, The Holly Davis Carter

1182
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: and I've got a little role I do in there,

1183
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: and I've executive produced a couple of Christmas movies hall

1184
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: Mark and I'll jump in. So yeah, you know, I've

1185
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: had has just to do some fun stuff here and there.

1186
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: Is that something that you would like to take on

1187
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 5: full time or are you too busy with your other

1188
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 5: career of the music.

1189
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: I love dabbling and all of it.

1190
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 3: You know, there's a couple of properties that we're working

1191
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: on right now, with a couple of little ips that

1192
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: that we're out shooting and pushing around right now.

1193
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, we've been trying.

1194
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: To see about doing a reboot of you remember the

1195
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: shows to come on NBC called Amen.

1196
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: Sherman Hemsley.

1197
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

1198
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know, like the first Prince

1199
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: did the reboot y yeah, and so we've been just

1200
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: kind of talking about maybe seeing yeah, sitting in that space.

1201
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 3: So we all, Yeah, we're just always trying to figure

1202
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: out different things to just keep having conversations that lift

1203
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: people up.

1204
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: Right. You did a gospel comedy tour with Steve Harvey.

1205
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: What was that like?

1206
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: It was really dope. I did the music.

1207
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: Steve and I are really really good friends. Steven our

1208
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 3: great great man yo yo man.

1209
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: He a real one. Yeah yeah, Steve a real one.

1210
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: So would you consider Steve a mentor yours?

1211
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: Yes, he is, no doubt. Steve is a mentor and

1212
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: a hero. He is no doubt.

1213
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 5: What did Steve teach you about you? Because Steve is

1214
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 5: a guy, he don't care you talking about it? Yeah yeah, yeah,

1215
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 5: He's like, if you ain't got my number, you talking

1216
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 5: about me?

1217
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: He don't do nothing. Yeah, yeah, do nothing to me

1218
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: or for me.

1219
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 3: What's amazing is I would say to you, Steve would

1220
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: probably say more about what I've taught him. Wow, what's

1221
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: been amazing. It's because Steve. Steve continues to say that

1222
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: when he was going through his transition, trying to find

1223
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: faith and trying to find moments in his life, he

1224
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: said I said to him almost twenty years ago, as

1225
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: I said to him, Steve, the only difference between you

1226
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: and my world is that in my world we wear

1227
00:56:59,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: a mask.

1228
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: Ask.

1229
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: That's the only thing is we wear a mask and

1230
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: then after Sunday would take the mask off.

1231
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: Rob.

1232
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: It's the only difference.

1233
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So when you go on tours, So what's

1234
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: a tour like.

1235
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not like what you would think

1236
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: of other tours, you know what I'm saying.

1237
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: You know, there there are no girls in the lobbies. None, Okay,

1238
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: sister Johnson, them not in the lobby.

1239
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: Aunties with tambourines, with them stockings.

1240
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: He has got the little, got the little.

1241
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: You have to look the boys.

1242
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 3: Nothing sexy about them boys. Now there's no aunties in

1243
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: the lobby now, man. You know, And and you know,

1244
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: the kind of tours that I love to curate is

1245
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: we try to create like rock star tours, like people come,

1246
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's lights and it's screams and it's

1247
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: boom boom of boom, and then we and then we're

1248
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: gonna give you that Jesus. So you know, we we

1249
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: try to be wild and bananas in the production and

1250
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: presentation and so you know, it is like it is

1251
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: in any situation. You know, we are, we're hitting the stage,

1252
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 3: we're hitting the streets, production crew to us meet and

1253
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: greets and you know, but but but we are seeing people, man,

1254
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: that just want to be reminded that in these crazy times, man,

1255
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: that God got them any love them.

1256
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: That's all we're trying.

1257
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: To do, Like like like like like my whole mission

1258
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: in life. I just want to remind you God love

1259
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: you and he got you.

1260
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1261
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it, that's it.

1262
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: Once you get closer to God, the stuff about your

1263
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: life that needs to change.

1264
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: I trust God with you, you.

1265
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: His and I trust God to deconstruct and tare down

1266
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: the things in you that he needs to make a

1267
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: better youth.

1268
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: That ain't my job to police your process, right, Like can't?

1269
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: What did I just say?

1270
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: That's not my job to police your process?

1271
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: Just lett that you're not black folk? Do want say something?

1272
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Got a little some of them is like just let

1273
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: that thing.

1274
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: Let let's sit with that.

1275
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 5: Where did you learn your stat I saw that you

1276
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 5: went to the uh you pulled the USh on what

1277
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: I do?

1278
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: You went naughty? You know what you did? I went

1279
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: naughty win the audience.

1280
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: And what I do?

1281
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean you have a stage presence. I mean in

1282
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: the church. You can't have really doing something nasty. How

1283
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: you say nasty?

1284
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: It was borderline nasty?

1285
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: Close?

1286
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: What was I doing? Like I rating?

1287
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: That was me?

1288
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: That was me?

1289
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what I mean.

1290
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: And I'm and you know, and I don't be trying

1291
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: to man, I'm just Dann. But you know what though,

1292
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: for a.

1293
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: Lot of people that may criticize and stuff I do,

1294
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 3: they need to go to church in Africa. They need

1295
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 3: to go to church in Brazil. I mean we are

1296
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: and we are people that move.

1297
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: Brother.

1298
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 3: I mentioned some churches in Africa that baby them, sisters move,

1299
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: they move baby. First time I went to Brazil and

1300
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: I took my band with me because Brazil has.

1301
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: Carl Ball and they have yet very nice yeah.

1302
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Very nice looking sisters.

1303
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, nice sisters in Christ Okay, really well, they

1304
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: have beautiful women.

1305
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do not in Brazilians.

1306
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: Yes, sir.

1307
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: So they come to church and they worshiping God, but

1308
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: they know I'm looking for a nice God. Being Wolfandillia,

1309
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: I got quite a few.

1310
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: I can introduce you to Brazil.

1311
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: Great in America, I would look at you out of collection.

1312
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 5: Is that holiday time of year again? Looking for something

1313
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 5: different for your favorite sports person on your list? Think

1314
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,360
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1315
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 5: make fantastic gifts this time of year, even if it's

1316
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