WEBVTT - Bachelor No More 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.840 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:04.680 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.440 It's time for Bachelor headlines. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:12.360 Goodness, gracious, Ashley, I think this headlines episode might have 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:18.959 some of the juiciest and most action packed headlines that. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:19.520 We've ever had. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.000 Well one of them, for sure, I can. I will 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:23.600 agree with you. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.880 On I think in general, just we have a lot 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.280 of headlines here that are newsworthy and that our listeners 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.560 will be excited. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:30.800 To hear about. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.120 Okay, let's go for it. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.200 We're gonna start with this one because I just don't 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.680 think it's true, but it is a rumor and if 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:44.320 you follow any Bachelor adjacent social media platform or website, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.559 it's gonna be brought up and talked about. And I 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.440 want to bring it up here and talk about it 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.760 with all of you so you hear our thoughts on 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.600 the matter. The headline is this Grant is no longer 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.120 the Bachelor. This has been a rumor being spread now 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.200 over the last three days. Ashley, what do we know? 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.800 Okay? So when I saw this rumor, I texted our 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.200 group and I was like, Okay, well we have to 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.640 do a breaking news podcast on this. It was like 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.399 why and so interesting I thought like, oh, okay, so 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.920 maybe something came out about his past and they can't 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.360 get over it. That's what the rumor's saying. There's something, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.320 some information has come up to production and they won't 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.440 be able to go forward with him because of that. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:30.280 And I was like, all right, all right, that's not 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.760 too far fetched. And then I was also thinking, oh, 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.360 or is it because they're obsessed with how much attention 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.600 Jonathan's getting and they're just going to move Jonathan to 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.919 the lead. They're going to pretend as if like something 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.360 came up, but really it's because they wanted a new 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.039 lead based on the amount of attention Jonathan's been getting 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.600 on social media with all of his appearances with jen 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.040 in La because they're really playing though would they are 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:57.720 they or are they not game? And then I woke 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.400 up to something this morning and I was like, oh, okay, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.760 now that I like am bummed that it seems to 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.640 be totally false, you know that I think it's I 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.960 think that Grant seems like lovely, but he's just not 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.480 a very exciting choice for Bachelor anyway. Bachelor Data did 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.160 a video today about the sourcing of this rumor. The 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:26.840 rumor is like in certain locations that seem like kind 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.160 of like legit publications, but then they keep re routing 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.400 people to this like they'll highlight it, you know, they'll 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.680 link it. Be like this website is reporting, and then 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.160 when you go to the crux of the rumor and 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:44.640 the original article or the started it's like the least 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:49.160 reliable source. Ever. It's basically an ad site like this. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.280 This website has nothing but like scammy ads, like scammy 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.000 like sex ads and stuff, so it looks like it's 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:02.040 not true. So guys, Grant is still your bad. There 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.680 are comments that are interesting underneath some of the rumor posts, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.520 like we have Zachary Reality posting his own you know 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.600 TikTok about the rumor, and here are some quotes from 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:22.320 underneath his posts and from Reddit. I have it on 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.800 good authority this could be satire. I have it on 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.359 good authority that Jesse and the producers are in talks 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.120 with Tommy DeVito. You'd be the backup quarterback for the 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.920 Giants for his own season. His mom's chicken cut, Let's 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.640 deserve a hometown episode. Maybe that's why Grant is on pause. Listen, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.520 this would be a dream. I love this as a 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.280 Giants fan and they're just floundering year after year. This 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.160 would bring light to my life. I don't think it's true. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:57.880 Then somebody else said, I'm skeptical when it's Zachary Reality. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.800 He's been writing about a few things. But maybe, yeah, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.720 this doesn't seem right. And that's what Bachelor Data said. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.880 She was like, listen, if it's somebody like Reality Steve, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.880 who's had it right in the past, that would be 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.160 there'd be more smoke to this story. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.440 It's always interesting to see these rumors spread. Now, yes, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.880 I don't think it's true. I think it's a spam. However, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.480 the you know those weird magazines that you see at 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.840 grocery stores that always have the rumors that seem outrageous 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.200 and untrue and no way believable. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.800 Ninety right, you said fifty. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.800 Percent of the time those rumors end up coming true. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.560 Fifty percent they don't. However, I do think that in 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.480 this case, where there's smoke, there's fire. I do too, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.760 and I'm not saying I don't think it's at any 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.960 level true. However, I would not be shocked, not be 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.839 shocked at all, if at least at some point somebody 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.760 in the know has had a conversation going, Hey, was 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.000 this the best choice or is there another way to 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.279 do this? I do think Grant, if they stick with Grant, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.760 will be a great bachelor. He's gotten a lot of love. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.680 I just don't think we know him. So I'm wondering 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.599 if the show is going, if if we have the 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.240 opportunity to get somebody that the audience would maybe be 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.400 more knowledgeable of, is this our time to do it? 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.960 Exactly what I was thinking, Like, there might be a 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.719 little something out there that is not like the best, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.719 because they want their bachelor to basically be like you Ben, 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.960 totally like a pristine background check, and if there's like 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.600 a story or two circulating around him, they may think 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.800 of it, or at least one person, and that higher 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.320 ups might be like, oh, this could be our out. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.239 I still stop sign once he's stole a stuff. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.560 You Also, you know we always talk about how Booby's 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:58.440 and cocaine or whatever. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.279 Yeah, I did find a bunch of cocaine on the 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.279 beach ones, but that actually like helps my background. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.360 You were actually like you turned it in. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.000 Yeah. I didn't even try to take advantage of that one. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:12.160 Hey, way, Ben Ben about Grant for one more second. Okay, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.400 do you want to talk about how you feel his 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.200 job is a little interesting because he's a day trader. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.880 He's kind of confronted that, and I think, okay, he 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.679 did it on a social media a little while back, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.919 talking through some of his strategies. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.960 He is a day trader. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.360 So like in your opinion, you think it's like kind 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.120 of like a professional gambler. It really it's risky. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.159 It's risky and without the right backing, without any type 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.080 of middle and back office checking you and making sure 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.480 that you're compliant, making sure also maybe he does I 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.680 have no clue that he has the capital to you know, 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:56.719 hedge and to trade on margins. It's a really risky business. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:01.159 His strategies were even like very just they weren't like 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:02.720 a very like. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.360 Financial aiser, like an actual. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.800 Yeah, like he was just kind of you know, trading 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.120 some options and showing his options progress. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.840 And isn't that okay if you're just doing it for yourself? 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.520 Oh, none of it's. None of it's not okay. Yeah, Like, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.520 none of it's not okay. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.520 It's not like he's dealing with other people's finesses. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.120 Without right Well, he couldn't like he couldn't you have 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.480 to have licensing to deal with somebody else's or to 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:30.560 even give any advice. It's not not okay, I'm not 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.400 saying that at all. It's just a very risky thing to 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.000 say that you're doing for a living. Now, some people 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.960 make it, and I'm assuming he is because he he 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.280 seems to be a very like, you know, just well 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.280 off person right now. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:46.760 But you don't know. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.080 You don't know until you kind of dig deep. I 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.080 will just say I was working in finance for six years. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:08:01.080 I never I've never yet met a day trader that 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.600 does it for a hobby, that makes a living on it. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.680 It is really hard. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.720 Yeah, I know somebody who makes a very good living 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.960 off of it, Well, good for them. But this person 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.640 also has like the best luck I've ever seen in 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:18.119 my life. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.360 So it's just innarest thing. I was curious when he 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.520 originally announced his job. I was like, I just want 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.560 to know more about it. He did confront on Instagram 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.559 and I go, Okay, he's doing it. I mean, that's cool. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.640 I got it. He knows what he's doing and I'm. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.439 Happy for him, and I hope it's so it's super successful. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:40.880 The next headline is another big one this week. Devin 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:45.640 continues just to take a shovel and not even slowly. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.520 He like intentionally digs bigger and bigger and bigger and 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.240 bigger holes, and he just kind of likes to bury 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.440 himself in him. It feels like his strategy is to 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.080 how often can I hit rock bottom? And then how 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.079 much farther can I push to make rock Bottom look 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.520 a little different than it did before? 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.959 And let me just keep doing it until. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.920 Everybody just kind of has low expectations of what's going 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:12.480 to happen and they stop worrying about it. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.520 He's trying to, I don't know, clean his name up. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:18.760 It just ain't working. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.800 He really doesn't get it, Like he does not get 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.920 how to work an audience. Like I'm just I'm thinking 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.760 about this from a PR's a PR reps point of 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.520 view when I say this, like if he really like 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.200 he obviously didn't didn't work out with Jen right, but 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:37.839 there were so many ways that he could have made 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.480 it seem so much more pleasant on after the Final 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:47.360 Rose in so many ways, and then this move I 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.320 need to know who we talk about Ashley Oh, the 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.559 move in which he released a thirteen minute video to 0:09:53.679 --> 0:10:00.319 Instagram and TikTok explaining why or giving some addition little 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.760 reasoning behind their breakup, including you know, like all like 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.959 the texts and call receipts. He was trying to make 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.199 it seem like there was so much more that you 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.640 guys didn't see after the final rose and I wasn't 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.560 as bad to her, you know, in lacking of communication 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.120 as she made it seem. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.440 Yeah, within that thirteen minute video he explained himself. He 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.160 also revealed some very personal text messages. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.679 The craziest part about the video to me is this 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.960 one like slide show in which he basically screenshoted every 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:49.240 single text that they've ever had, and he put them 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.280 in like rapid order. It was like half I wouldn't 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.360 even say, I don't even know it was okay, maybe 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.400 half a second there was a screenshot, and there must 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.240 have been like thirty screenshot and they went by really 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.880 really fast. There was one text that made it into 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.319 a screenshot that was kind of sexual, and so therefore 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.440 he thought, oh, that part I need to edit out. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.840 Of course, I mean like yeah, yes, but the humor 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.840 in this is that he just thought that that was 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.360 the one part he needed to edit and it wasn't 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:27.120 just the whole thirteen second video, so deleted it thirty minutes. Sorry, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.480 he deleted it, and he re uploaded it without that 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.520 screenshot in it, but that, you know, but still thought 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.560 after releasing the video and getting probably some feedback, enough 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:43.000 feedback for the people watched that screenshot slide show in 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.600 detail enough that they caught that, and then he was like, yeah, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.000 I'm gonna upload that video all over again. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.000 There's this level I think now we've spent a few 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:59.480 times in Bachelor Nation where people upload personal conversations text 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:00.800 messages to the. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.880 Public, most notably Blank and Kalin. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:07.640 Sure, yeah, and I think you know, I see this, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.800 and I understand why they're being I understand why they're 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.440 being posted because it does feel like the receipts, it 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.880 does feel like your truth. It does feel like it's 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.480 what you have to prove that, Hey, the story that 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.400 you're hearing isn't maybe the full story. I understand the 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.720 urge and the desire to post those. However, I do 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.920 believe those are private conversations. I do not think they 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.760 should be posted to the public. However, they are used 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.000 in the court of law. So if you know for 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.439 whatever reason. If we have a scenario where somebody has 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:48.640 to go to trial, typically phone email, all those records 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.680 are presented, and so I know why people are doing it. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.200 In this case specifically, it was inappropriate. There was no 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.160 reasoning for it, and the text messages didn't prove anything. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.760 In fact, I'm still confused after watching this thirteen minute 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:07.160 video on what Devin is exactly trying to prove. I 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.120 don't know what his I think he's trying to prove 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.760 that he wasn't as bad as what it seemed on 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:17.400 national television. However, most of the things said during the 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.800 final episode were proven to be true based on these 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.559 text messages. Yes there was a ghosting, Yes there was 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.200 a lack of communication. Yes there was kind of a 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:31.240 giving up. It felt like sentiment from this video all 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:36.280 I want. And really, Devin didn't have to apologize or 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.360 come public with any of this, and I know he 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.320 wanted to to clear his name and try to get 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.040 back in the good graces, even though I think that 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:47.160 was probably impossible at this point. I want when somebody 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.920 tries to do this Sidney, for example, Devin here as 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.880 of recent I just want authenticity. I don't want you 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.640 to throw anybody else under the bus. I don't want 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.600 you to try to pit it me versus. Then I 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.120 don't want this tongue in cheek. Hey, I'm not trying 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.160 to hurt jin here, I'm just trying to get you know, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:08.280 my words out. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.160 I don't want any of that. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.080 I want the ownership and what and what you had 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.040 to do with the failure of this relationship. I also 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.000 want the authenticity of saying I am sorry for how 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.440 this went down. I could have done better, and then 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.760 we all say, hey, I've been there too, I get it. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:25.760 We move on. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:33.120 But this new kind of trend of when you get 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.920 you know, when something bad happens to you in the 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.440 public and your only way out is to blame somebody 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.640 else or to try to bring them back into the controversy. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:44.760 One. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.720 It's not right, it's not healthy, and it typically leads 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.040 to really destructive behavior, which this thirteen minute video was. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.320 It did nothing to help him. There is no there, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.840 there's nothing about this. I'm sure there's a fut rolls 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.680 on Instagram that are like, I get it, Devin, I'm 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.600 on your time. For the most part, this did nothing 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.000 to help him. I just think it could have been 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.400 done so much better. I'm wondering where ABC's at and 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.000 all this. I'm hoping ABC is sitting there saying as 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:15.800 a publicity team saying, hey, Devin, uh, let's sit down 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.280 and talk like you want. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:17.880 To get your story out. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.720 Can't stop you from doing that. However, here's some ways 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.560 that we would advise you to do that in a 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.480 healthy way to not hurt you Jin or anybody else. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.080 But it seems like he had nobody he was talking 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.200 to and it has. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.040 Nothing to do with the show. So I don't even 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.120 think he would need to get approval. Obviously, he didn't 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.960 need to get approval to pose that because it's all 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.240 about what happened in the summer. It's just I I 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.080 need to know what was going through his head and 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.400 who he showed. Did he show anyone that video beforehand? 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.680 Because that had some editing that needed to be done. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.680 That is that is a video that like, I'm sure 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.000 he put it together himself, But I also wouldn't have 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.360 been surprised if he had like some friends around him 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:57.920 being like, yeah, yeah, this is a good move, like 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.360 somebody had to encourage it. I just can't imagine him 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.640 in his own power. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.320 post this thirteen minute video without telling anybody else. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.560 He needs like a group of advisors now around him, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.640 Like he needs two or three of his close friends 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.840 that I hope he has, Yeah, that I hope he has, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.400 being like, Hey, here's what I'm thinking, What do you 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.320 guys think of this decision? And for them to not 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.800 just think of what Devin wants to hear, but what 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.480 he needs to hear, which is, hey, don't do it, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.160 like stay, don't do that, be authentic, be genuine, and 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.840 that's about as far as you should go, Like that's it. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.200 Don't try to bring Jim back into it. Don't definitely 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.760 don't show private conversations for of the two of you. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.640 That's not going to help anything. That actually is just 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:49.600 like wrong, especially at this point. And just try to 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.040 keep moving forward and become a little better man and 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.120 learn from this. There's a lot of learning that can 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.360 be done from this, but it right now that learning 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.640 doesn't seem to be taking place. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.560 Has posting receipts ever worked out in the favor of 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.800 the person posting the receipts or people always just think like, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:17.000 oh that was Cura Quinn. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.200 but no, because he called her bad things in there, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.399 and then he his winning was winning the paternity test. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.520 But I think him posting the receipts and the text 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.760 messages never helped. It made him just look She may 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.240 have looked pretty pretty crazy, but that was also in 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.000 the long run, and we were proven that she well 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.359 was crazy because she made up the fact that she 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.320 was pregnant. But he didn't look good in those texts 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.359 and it had nothing to do with him being proven 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:49.680 innocent at all. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:51.119 Yeah, I don't know. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.040 I don't have many examples, but I don't also know 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.000 many people doing this, so there's only a select few. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.840 Did Blake look better or posting those texts between him 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.639 and Kaylin after that paradise? 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.080 I don't think it helped him hundred percent. People don't 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.200 like it, and it just feels invasive. It is invasive. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.800 I shouldn't be reading what the two of you have 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.440 said to each other like I should not be, especially 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:19.400 when it comes. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.000 To a romantic relationship. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:22.320 Yeah, I should not be. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.520 I should not be reading that like you guys should 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.280 keep those between you and you can tell me, hey, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.040 you know, it felt like in our relationship we went 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.680 through seasons of excitement, and then we went through really 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.000 bad season, and then we went through a season where 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.879 I didn't feel like we could talk anymore because our 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.000 communication is off. I just don't I don't need to 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:43.160 read your conversation on how you got there. Yeah, half 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.200 the time text messages don't make sense to me anyways. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:46.040 I'm not good at that. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.679 I just will never understand what he was thinking and 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:49.280 doing that. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.920 No, I can't either, but I do. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.960 I do understand the internal frustration that you go through 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.159 with like a storyline on TV doesn't come across the 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.119 way that you feel like you lived it and that 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.840 you like think that you have proof that it was otherwise. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.280 So like the desire to put it out there, I 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:12.320 do understand the desire, but like you need to let 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.400 your pr brain just win out in that situation. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.280 Well, I think the pr brain or just there's a 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.320 lack of maturity. This is an immature act. This is 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.919 something that like him at thirty whatever and a middle 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:32.720 schooler at thirteen are are doing the same thing. Like 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.760 this is this is an act that was immature. It 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.760 should be you should take two steps up and say, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.439 as an adult, I refuse to do this no matter 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.160 what it will look like or no matter what kind 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.720 of heat. Right, you and I have both sat in 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:54.919 seasons within this whole show where we're like, you know, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.280 it would be so much better if everybody just knew 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.199 the actual truth and we could. You know, you like, 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.840 I have the truth, but you have to take a 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.520 step back and you have to say no. But this 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.280 is like that doesn't matter to me. The winning here 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.359 isn't a thing. I just have to move forward and 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.520 take a little bit of the heat, get kicked a 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.200 little bit, maybe that person gets kicked around a little bit, 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.440 but we'll all move forward and it's gonna be okay. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.560 Yeah, and the audience will forget in that moment. It's 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:25.639 just like your whole life. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.400 I think the audience had already forgotten and she brought 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.159 it right back up again. I think the audience were like, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.080 I'm just excited to watch Joan and now all of 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.120 a sudden, Devn's back in the headlines. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.080 Hey, you know, you probably think differently than me. You 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.440 probably think like, no, you go back to your regular 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.720 life and you do whatever you were doing. Your job 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.960 seem to be working for you. But if I just 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.879 think that if you really wanted you just go on paradise, dude, 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.760 and then you make sure that you're not done again. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.040 Yeah. 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.800 And you know what, people also love to hate a villain, 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.960 so like you'll get your working either way. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:17.879 We love a comeback story on to better stories. We 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.720 were with this person this last week. We knew about 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.679 this actually before it got announced publicly. I would like 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.880 to make a public statement to Katie to say, Hey, 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.040 I just want you to recognize that Ashley and myself 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.160 both respected your request to keep. 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:34.080 This private. 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.880 Even though I wanted to share it so bad because 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:38.959 it is so exciting and we are excited for her 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:43.680 former bachelor at Katie Thurston is engaged to Jeff Arcurry 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.159 after less than one year of dating. She explained this 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.240 a little bit to us in person. It's just the 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.919 right person for her to kind of close out the 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:58.359 headline Ashley. I started following her now fiance on Instagram yesterday. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:21:59.840