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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mind ever

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Speaker 1: to walk the planet. Okay, sure, here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: He's a true icon in every sense of the word.

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Speaker 3: He's loved and feared more than any being. To Grace's plummet,

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Speaker 3: there's got a bad with a voice that sounds like

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Speaker 3: very white and be.

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Speaker 4: Got say he let you with baby.

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Speaker 1: God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for a cameo.

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Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is, you are about to embark

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Speaker 1: on a transcendent experience that can only be described as

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Speaker 1: psychological nudity.

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Speaker 5: This is and this is stupidity.

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Speaker 1: Here we go jump.

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Speaker 6: Only, Billy, how are you feeling after the the Marlins

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Speaker 6: lost last night?

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Speaker 7: You know it could have been worse?

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Speaker 8: How how well?

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Speaker 3: So we were talking before the game started, and I

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Speaker 3: was telling people, I'm like, this could one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: be one of those games of the Marlins lose like

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Speaker 3: eleven to two and then tomorrow bounce back and went

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Speaker 3: forward to three, just because that's the way the season's gone.

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Speaker 8: So that's baseball, that's.

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Speaker 3: Baseball, and that's the way the Marlins have been this year.

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Speaker 3: So like, I'm not super concerned going into today's game.

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Speaker 3: I know that sounds crazy with it being an elimination game.

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Speaker 3: I struggle over some words sometimes we too. Elimination is

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Speaker 2: Those, elimination not one I struggle with.

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Speaker 3: Interesting Sometimes it also depends on what the word is

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Speaker 3: before the word that I struggle with. R Like if

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Speaker 3: the words are too similar, then I don't know. Something

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Speaker 3: goes wrong in my head.

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Speaker 6: Some words leading into certain words don't work. Yeah for

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Speaker 6: me as well. Yeah, it's very it's a tricky combination

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Speaker 6: of words. I'm trying to think of something off the

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Speaker 6: top of my head right now. That's one for you, clearly.

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Speaker 6: I elimination.

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Speaker 7: I think restrictions is the restrictions. I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 2: There's restrictions of plays. You got to stop with the s.

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Speaker 2: It's a running ass. You just keep going. And then

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Speaker 2: restriction turns into apply and then.

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Speaker 3: There's some some words and like some combinations of words

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Speaker 3: in the verbiage, if you will, like in the ad

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Speaker 3: reads that we have to do that when it's coming up,

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Speaker 3: I know I'm going to struggle over that, and then

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Speaker 3: sure enough I always get tongue twisted on those words.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what causes it. I don't know what

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Speaker 6: You're nervous about tonight or you have a big watch

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Speaker 6: party tonight.

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Speaker 7: Well it's not a bit.

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Speaker 3: You keep telling everyone I'm having a big watch party,

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Speaker 3: and everyone's like confused as to what that means. Like

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Speaker 3: you've told every guest, and I think you told Austin

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Speaker 3: Eckler that we have a big watch party, which is

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Speaker 3: weird because Austin Eckler is going to air on Friday,

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Speaker 3: and you're telling him that when we recorded with him

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, you have a big watch party tonight.

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Speaker 6: So I was only telling Austin in the event he

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Speaker 6: wanted to stop by your watch party, you'd help you out.

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Speaker 2: I realized what I was doing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah I do. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I didn't at the time.

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Speaker 7: Neckler's not actually our friend.

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Speaker 2: I like to think he is.

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Speaker 8: I beg to different.

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Speaker 7: I did too.

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Speaker 3: I was actually thinking on the way in today. I

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Speaker 3: he said that he was willing to do a watch

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Speaker 3: probably just being polite, is kind of crazy, but also

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Speaker 3: maybe not something we should just let go. I'm not

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Speaker 3: letting it go, right, So I was actually thinking the

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Speaker 3: super Bowl's probably not the game we want to do

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Speaker 3: that in, right, because the super Bowl everyone's going to

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Speaker 3: be watching the super Bowl. But if we could do

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Speaker 3: think that might be the play.

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Speaker 6: I think he's hoping he's playing in the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 3: I know he's hoping that, and like this is also

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Speaker 7: We're gonna have to go to him.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna fly to us, right, So then do

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Speaker 7: Then we'd have to sell it.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm going through all these things in my

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Speaker 3: So how do you do that to lock it in

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Speaker 3: while also not saying you probably aren't going to be there.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's because now I was thinking of some of

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Speaker 6: the other games we could do, Like we could do

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Speaker 6: wild Card weekend, but that means they would have to

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Speaker 6: win the division. They're not Kansas City probably is, you know.

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Speaker 6: So there's no gentle way of approaching this really, you know.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's why I'm saying, maybe we start.

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Speaker 6: I think, like, you want to call the AFC Championship

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Speaker 6: Championship game.

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Speaker 3: What if we pitch it as, do you want to

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Speaker 3: call the NFC Championship game with us? And he forgets

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Speaker 3: that they're on the same day.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I like that idea, heilly, we're thinking of doing

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Speaker 3: something Championship weekend, you want to do the NFC Championship

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Speaker 3: game with us? And then he could say yes or no,

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Speaker 3: and then he'll at some point think like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: those games are on the same day.

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Speaker 6: But he's locked in already, yeah, or or lay in

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Speaker 6: the AFC Championship game, or we just yeah, that's how

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Speaker 6: that works.

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Speaker 3: He committed. I mean's finding. Yeah, that's exactly how that works.

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Speaker 3: I think our spin could actually be like yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: like they're not on at the same time. You know,

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Speaker 3: like you could theoretically play in the AFC Championship game

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Speaker 3: and then like we'll just do it from your locker

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Speaker 7: We'll do the NFC Championship game with you in your.

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Speaker 3: Locker room if they get the early game, yeah, or

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Speaker 3: you just watch it with us leading up to the

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Speaker 7: Does he have to do? Oh from cold said life

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Speaker 7: from the cold tub.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, now, I think division A weekend is.

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Speaker 2: Actually the best idea.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. There's two games Saturday, two games Sunday.

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Speaker 6: We're guaranteed, like he's got to play on one of

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Speaker 6: those two days. If he's in it, he might not be,

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Speaker 6: So he plays Saturday, we do a game on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, but if he loses.

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Speaker 3: This is going to take a lot of coordinating. Is

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Speaker 3: the thing that I'm thinking about, and.

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Speaker 7: Like super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: You agree, super Bowl is not to play because no

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Speaker 3: one's going to watch a watch along with us during

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Speaker 3: the super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: You watch it?

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Speaker 9: Agree with you?

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Speaker 3: You got a party, Like I'm going to ask you,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't watch a watch along of ours.

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Speaker 2: Don't think I want to do it on super Bowl

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Speaker 3: Plus, I was thinking, and this is another you know,

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Speaker 3: organization organization that has to go on, is do we stay.

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Speaker 7: Through to the super Bowl this year? Like especially depending

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Speaker 2: Like do you?

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, because we have the Monday Show, Like

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Speaker 3: what if we do? And this has nothing to do

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Speaker 3: with what we're going to talk about on Stupoty. We're

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Speaker 3: just talking it out right now, new segment. I talking

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Speaker 3: it out, Yeah, it is, So do we stay on?

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Speaker 3: Do we stay in Las Vegas and go to the

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Speaker 3: reporting back? Because I was thinking we can do back

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Speaker 3: what I did when I covered the Super Bowl at

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Speaker 3: ESPN is like be on the field after the game,

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Speaker 3: getting clips and interviews with people and use that for

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Speaker 3: a Monday hangover.

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Speaker 7: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 6: I'm down with staying through the Super Bowl. We go

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Speaker 6: into the Super Bowl, are we actually going to the game?

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Speaker 3: That's well, so that's what's that's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 7: I think that we go to the game.

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Speaker 3: After the game, we're on the field with Mike's getting

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Speaker 3: Monday hangover, we're recapping the game and we can use

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Speaker 3: some of those clips. But I don't know who I

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Speaker 3: I think that this is also going to be very expensive.

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Speaker 3: These new added things that I'm adding on, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? Plus added on to that is Austin Eckler,

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Speaker 3: maybe the week before doing things like big Plan.

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Speaker 6: The talent fee for Austin will be the largest amount.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't that's that's for someone else to decide,

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Speaker 3: and you sell or whatever, you know what I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: and we'll go to him.

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Speaker 7: We'll just set up, which is also weird.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, we're gonna watch with you, but also

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Speaker 3: we're going to have to take over your house for

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Speaker 3: the day and probably the day before for testing.

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Speaker 7: So you cool with that.

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Speaker 3: Pretend you don't see the lights and all the cameras

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff in your living room while you're

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Speaker 3: you know, eating dinner the day before, and you know

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Speaker 3: Thomas is there setting things up.

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Speaker 8: He has his own stuff.

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Speaker 7: He has his own stuff.

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Speaker 3: He does have his own stuff, But I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's necessarily the stuff that we like. He's not going

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Speaker 3: to fit us all into that room that he does

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Speaker 3: the interviews with us on, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: And that's in his that's in his La place presumably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not a Vegas place.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I wonder what is Vegas place?

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Speaker 2: Again? Just to remind you, we're we're talking things out.

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Speaker 8: We're just talking things out.

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Speaker 3: We're just talking things out planning the super Bowl in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the MLB playoffs, because this is when

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Speaker 3: you need to start the planning. We're just talking things out,

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Speaker 3: trying to figure things out. What are we going to

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Speaker 3: do with the super Bowl? How do we not let

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Speaker 3: this Austin eckwer thing go, even though he was probably

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Speaker 3: just being polite to us, and how do we capitalize

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Speaker 3: on this? And also how do we stay through part

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Speaker 3: of the part of the thing with if we stay

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Speaker 3: through the super Bowl, get a whisper of this boy,

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Speaker 3: stay through the super Bowl and we do the Monday

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Speaker 9: Let's talk about the Astros cheating with Ben. Writer Ben

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Speaker 6: He's got a new documentary app about the Houston Astros

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Speaker 2: Ben, why'd you want this story to be told?

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Speaker 8: Why were you so involved?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been covering this story for nine years now,

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Speaker 4: So this thing keeps going and going and going, and

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Speaker 4: Anyway, as the Astros did, the most influential franchise in

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Speaker 3: Do you think they'd do it again because it's it

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Speaker 2: Totally?

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Speaker 8: Yes? Uh, because like the I don't think they would.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they kind of a job, Billy, that's

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Speaker 3: But like the players largely got away with it, like

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Speaker 7: But like, for the.

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Speaker 3: Most part, you stick it to the Astros, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: I think it's both, Billy, I really do. Like Korea

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Speaker 4: If someone in the dock says, you know, when we

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Speaker 4: Would they have done it again knowing what happened now?

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Speaker 4: How do you explain that? I think No, I don't

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Speaker 6: The postseason, not the World Series. But you're right, they've

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Speaker 2: This happened.

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Speaker 5: How do you think this is going to affect them

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Speaker 5: after their careers? In other words, like, do you think

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Speaker 5: this is going to have some effect on maybe getting

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Speaker 5: into the Hall of Fame for some of these players?

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Speaker 5: I think al Twova is probably a guy that could

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Speaker 5: get in the Hall of Fame. Correa has a chance,

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Speaker 5: guys like that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Mike, would you have thought that Carlos

452
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Speaker 4: Beltron would have been a first ballot Hall of Famer

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Speaker 4: last year? I probably would have said, yes, I'm a

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame voter, and I'll say I did vote

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Speaker 4: for him based on the successes of his career, notwithstanding

456
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Speaker 4: what happened in twenty seventeen. But he didn't make it right,

457
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Speaker 4: and he wasn't particularly close, So I do think that

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Speaker 4: this will probably follow them there, just as it did,

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Speaker 4: just as the steroids era followed a lot of those guys,

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Speaker 4: some of whom aren't in And you know, Altuve, I know,

461
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Speaker 4: especially for Astros fans, is a unique case because he's

462
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Speaker 4: probably received more hate for this than anybody else. This

463
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Speaker 4: was probably the most likable player in the league right

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Speaker 4: before the scandal happened, for reasons that we know, including

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Speaker 4: his height, the way he plays, all that stuff. He

466
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Speaker 4: is just creamed whenever he goes to opposing stands. I

467
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Speaker 4: was watching the Mariners Astros game last week, and the

468
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Speaker 4: biggest cheer in Seattle's ballpark that night was when al

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Speaker 4: Tuovey's drilled on the elbow by a pitch, right, like,

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Speaker 4: that's what the home fans are cheering for, even though

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Speaker 4: you know analyses and testimony suggests that he was a

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Speaker 4: guy who didn't even want the bangs and really didn't

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Speaker 4: even use the banks. He was one of the few abstainers.

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Speaker 4: Of course, he didn't stop it either, so you could

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Speaker 4: argue he was complicit, but he was not the leader

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Speaker 4: of this scheme, and he is probably the astros most

477
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Speaker 4: convincing Hall of Fame case right now. It will be

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Speaker 4: very interesting to see in what like ten or twelve

479
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Speaker 4: years from now, when he's eligible, how that shakes up.

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Speaker 4: But you know, as Tom Berducci says in the film,

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Speaker 4: people are not going to forget this.

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Speaker 2: Who was the leader? Ben?

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Speaker 4: You know, one of the guys we talked to in

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Speaker 4: this podcast who's never spoken before is one of the

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Speaker 4: video room staffers for the Astros. Nobody at that level

486
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Speaker 4: has spoken before, and they were pretty central to this

487
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Speaker 4: as far as this is the guy who arranged for

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Speaker 4: the TV screen to be set up behind the dugout

489
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Speaker 4: at the request of Alex Korra, the bench coach, and

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Speaker 4: he says that it seemed to him like it was

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Speaker 4: Carlos Beltron's idea. That you know that Beltron was a

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Speaker 4: leader of that team. He was very influential in most ways,

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Speaker 4: in very good ways, right like helping guys figure out

494
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Speaker 4: how to prepare, helping them with off the field life.

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Speaker 4: He had a lot of power in that clubhouse. He

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Speaker 4: was coming from the Yankees, which as we know, had

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Speaker 4: been involved in some version of this in previous seasons,

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Speaker 4: and it seemed like he brought this there and kind

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Speaker 4: of got a lot of his largely younger teammates to

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Speaker 4: come along with it. You know, I'm not interested in

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Speaker 4: villainizing anybody though here, Like, I don't think Carlos Beltron

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Speaker 4: is a villain. I think it's possible he didn't even

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Speaker 4: like realize how this would have been received if it

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Speaker 4: got out. Yeah, everybody's doing it, you know, it's a

505
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Speaker 4: hundred plus year old tradition in baseball. It's so easy,

506
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Speaker 4: this video stuff everywhere. What am I not supposed to

507
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Speaker 4: look at it? Are we not supposed to use this stuff?

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Speaker 4: That's crazy? So I would guess that he didn't realize,

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Speaker 4: you know, just how.

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Speaker 8: This would be received though.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you know, they weren't doing it in the open,

512
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Speaker 4: like they were taking active measures to try to hide

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Speaker 4: this from everybody, posing pictures, umpires, even you know, people

514
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Speaker 4: in their own front office. So they clearly knew it

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Speaker 4: wasn't right what they were doing.

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Speaker 6: The astros Adge Triumphant scandal Excuse me in Major League

517
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Speaker 6: Baseball premieres tonight PBS YouTube, So check it out. It's

518
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Speaker 6: actually a really fascinating story. Did Aj Hinch did he know?

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Speaker 6: Did Aj hint. He had to know, right, he.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely knew, and in fact, you know, he tried to

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Speaker 4: stop it in kind of weak way. It says this

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Speaker 4: in the commissioner's port that report that he broke a

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Speaker 4: cup twice, he broke the monitor they were using to

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Speaker 4: steal signs with a bat as this kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: half hearted way of stopping it. And you know, Antonio Padilla,

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Speaker 4: the video manager we interview in the film says, you know,

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Speaker 4: he thinks he did that because Hinch actually thought it

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Speaker 4: was hurting the team. But it is kind of an

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Speaker 4: interesting power dynamic in which the manager of the team

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Speaker 4: isn't really happy about this but doesn't have enough clout

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Speaker 4: in there to stop it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 8: That tells you a lot about how things worked in

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Speaker 8: that Clubhose.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes these conspiracies, we get more conspiracies. I know there was.

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Speaker 5: I can remember the one where Al Tuvey was covering

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Speaker 5: his shirt. Was there anything to any of these other

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Speaker 5: ones that you found?

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Speaker 4: Not that I have found, you know, I made it

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Speaker 4: a point to ask somebody who would know. Antonio Padilla

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Speaker 4: I mentioned before, was l TV wearing a jersey, wearing

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Speaker 4: a buzzer when he didn't want his Jersey ripped off

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Speaker 4: after he hit that bomb off a rolldist chatman in

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Speaker 4: the twenty nineteen als. Yes, and he was unequivocal that no,

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Speaker 4: absolutely not, that was never discussed, that did not happen.

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Speaker 4: Padilla feels it's, you know, a shame that otherwise, or

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Speaker 4: certainly a good person like Cosey L. Tuve continue to

548
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Speaker 4: be dragged through the mud based on conspiracy theories like that. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think that's something that we can put

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Speaker 4: to bed, put to rest at this point. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a lot of fans out there who

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Speaker 4: aren't gonna let it go.

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Speaker 8: I'd say that obviously. I see that.

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Speaker 6: Jeff Lunau, did baseball get it right with him? He

555
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Speaker 6: was the GM of the Ashers at the time, He's

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Speaker 6: the one responsible for putting most of his roster together.

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Speaker 2: They've had an incredible run. Did baseball get it right?

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Speaker 8: Good question?

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Speaker 4: I mean traveled to Spain to interview Jeff Luno for

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Speaker 4: this documentary where he's now on his new life running

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Speaker 4: a soccer team over there that, by the way, last

562
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Speaker 4: I checked, is in first place in the second division

563
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Speaker 4: in Spain, so he's at it again over there.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the guy went to Penn. I think he

565
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Speaker 6: graduated from Wharton. He knows what he's doing, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, I mean, I would say it's not a

567
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Speaker 4: big stretch to say he's the most influenential baseball executive

568
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Speaker 4: of this generation and probably the most successful one too.

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Speaker 4: And he's excommunicated. He's an exile off in Spain. Look,

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Speaker 4: I think that the league's penalty of Luno was fair, Okay,

571
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Speaker 4: like pegging accountability on the general manager of the team,

572
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Speaker 4: a year long suspension is probably fair. And he says

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Speaker 4: pretty convincingly that he did not technically know that the

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Speaker 4: team was doing this. Antonio Padilla says that he didn't

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Speaker 4: think Luno, no, no one.

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Speaker 2: Was telling them.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't down in the clubhouse very much. He didn't

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Speaker 4: design this, and you know, the commissioner's report even says

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Speaker 4: that there's no evidence that Luno knew about the banging scheme.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's necessarily the right question, though, because

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Speaker 4: one of the questions I asked is like, shouldn't you know?

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Speaker 4: If you like, shouldn't you want to know? Shouldn't it

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Speaker 4: be on you to care enough to make sure that

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Speaker 4: your team's following the rules, especially after that twenty seventeen

585
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Speaker 4: memo from Rob Manfred that said, you better make sure

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Speaker 4: your team's following the R rules after this Red Sox

587
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Speaker 4: and Yankee stuff. We're going to hold the GM and

588
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Speaker 4: the manager accountable if you're not. My theory, it just

589
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Speaker 4: wasn't part of his thought process. He was so focused

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Speaker 4: on finding every competitive edge he could, on finding every

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Speaker 4: competitive advantage like sign stealing whatever, like. It just wasn't

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Speaker 4: a big part of his of his day to day,

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Speaker 4: And I think he's being held accountable for that. I

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Speaker 4: think the way accountability shook out for most everybody else

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Speaker 4: I'd said, aj Hinch is more interesting as far as

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Speaker 4: the players suffering no formal consequences from this, as far

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Speaker 4: as the team really suffering very light consequence. Is five

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Speaker 4: million dollar fine for a two billion dollar organization, that's

599
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Speaker 4: not much.

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Speaker 8: Four draft picks that not much. That's not much.

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Speaker 4: The owner of the team, Jim Crane, you know his

602
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Speaker 4: team's worth, Like someone told me, it's worth probably three

603
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Speaker 4: billion dollars now. He bought it for six hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty million a decade ago. It's a pretty good return

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Speaker 4: on a team that's had great success. But it was also,

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Speaker 4: you know, the center of the biggest baseball scandal of they.

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Speaker 2: Are is Luno bit is he bitter?

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Speaker 8: Yes and no.

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Speaker 4: I'd watch the film you'll see. I mean he thinks

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Speaker 4: that the investigation was a joke.

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Speaker 8: Is his quote.

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Speaker 4: He thinks that it was predetermined, that the outcome was predetermined.

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Speaker 8: He thinks that, you know.

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Speaker 4: He accepts his responsibility, he says, but there's a strong

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Speaker 4: sense that he feels like he escapegoaded for this, and

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Speaker 4: that you know, the people who actually did it weren't punished,

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Speaker 4: and that the league didn't show very much interest in

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Speaker 4: all the other teams that were certainly signed stealing at

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Speaker 4: this time as well.

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Speaker 8: Although presumably to a lesser extent.

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Speaker 7: And there's obviously no way you would know this.

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Speaker 3: But do you believe when Manford comes out years later

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Speaker 3: and says he regrets the way that that was handled

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Speaker 3: and that he gave all the players immunity.

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Speaker 8: Do I believe it?

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Speaker 4: I think strategically that was If you're Rob Manfred and

627
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Speaker 4: you work for the owners directly, you know, a commissioner

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Speaker 4: of the league is not an impartial judge like figure

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Speaker 4: looking out for the best interests of the game. He

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Speaker 4: works at the pleasure of the owners. He functions more

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Speaker 4: like a CEO and the owners are his board, so

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Speaker 4: you know, strategically for the business. No, he wasn't gonna

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Speaker 4: punish the players for a lot of reasons, like, what's

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Speaker 4: gonna happen if you suspend the astros. They're not going

635
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Speaker 4: to fuel a team. What happens if they've gone to

636
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Speaker 4: other teams? Then you hurt other teams? What happens if

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Speaker 4: other teams are revealed to have been doing something as

638
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Speaker 4: bad even worse? So you certainly start suspending like a

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Speaker 4: good portion of your league and hurting your business. That's

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Speaker 4: not something a commissioner's going to do morally ethically. Do

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Speaker 4: I think he regrets it?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Probably, I mean, certainly, players who break the rules probably

644
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Speaker 4: should face punishment, and now he's further empowered to be

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Speaker 4: able to do that if it happens again. But from

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Speaker 4: a business perspective, I don't think he would have done

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Speaker 4: anything different.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys address it all in the documentary Michael

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Speaker 3: Fires and how he kind of like blew this up

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Speaker 3: seemingly the interview that he had, and are other bad

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Speaker 3: feelings towards him in there?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: We mentioned him in the documentary could not talk to him.

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Speaker 4: I think he hasn't spoken publicly about this really since

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Speaker 4: that initial Athletic report in twenty nineteen. But it was

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Speaker 4: just extremely unusual and an incredible job of reporting by

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Speaker 4: Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drelik at the Athletic to get

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Speaker 4: him to go on the record, but incredibly unusual for

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Speaker 4: a baseball player to break the code of silence the

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Speaker 4: Omerta really in the way that he did, and if

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Speaker 4: he hadn't, it seems likely that this scandal would not

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Speaker 4: have blown up nearly the way that it did, and.

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Speaker 8: It has for the past four years.

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Speaker 6: At this point, it seems like you just want you

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Speaker 6: don't seem to have too much of an issue with this,

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Speaker 6: but it seems like you would prefer the players would

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Speaker 6: step up and take some sort of accountability for it.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And they have to a certain degree. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Carlos Kore if you remember, in particular, right after the

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Speaker 4: scandal broke, was out there talking about you know who

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Speaker 4: did what, who did it? You know who didn't participate.

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Speaker 4: They have expressed some remorse, but I will say that,

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Speaker 4: you know, none of the twenty seventeen astros we approached

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Speaker 4: for this film to talk would do it right, and

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Speaker 4: the commissioner would not talk to us either. Maybe I

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Speaker 4: was a naive, but we probably got more no's than

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Speaker 4: I thought we were going to. I think the general

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Speaker 4: message was, you know, this thing's over, it's dead and buried,

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Speaker 4: nothing to see here. It's a pretty interesting reaction that

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Speaker 4: nobody will talk about a story that's supposedly not relevant anymore.

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Speaker 6: Right like that as a journalist, that's your a Yankee

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Speaker 6: fan like Mike, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Right, as a journalist, that kind of like raises your

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Speaker 4: antenna and suggests that, hey, this is actually a story

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Speaker 4: that continues to reverberate and deserves affair and down the

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Speaker 4: middle telling you.

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Speaker 3: Think there's more left to be uncovered, Like that could

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Speaker 3: be why people are getting back to you on stuff

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Speaker 3: like is there is there maybe more there?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think that there's more there, certainly as far as

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Speaker 4: what other teams were doing, right, Like other teams besides

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Speaker 4: the Astros and the Red Sox and the Yankees, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's been reporting about what the Dodgers were doing. Certain

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Speaker 4: other teams have been mentioned. There's also I'll be honest,

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Speaker 4: there's a big question and it's very fuzzy about what

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Speaker 4: they were doing in that twenty seventeen postseason because we

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Speaker 4: talked to this fan. Yeah, maybe you heard about this fan,

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Speaker 4: this guy named Tony Adams, who spent like weeks and

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Speaker 4: weeks and weeks painstakingly analyzing every single at bat the

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Speaker 4: Astros took it home this week at that season and

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Speaker 4: documenting who used the bangs on what pitches? You know,

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Speaker 4: who didn't use the bangs. He says he couldn't hear

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Speaker 4: any bangs in the postseason or actually after like late September,

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Speaker 4: he could not detect any bangs. It's not sure if

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Speaker 4: that's because the audio was too loud or what. He

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Speaker 4: just couldn't find them, but the commissioner's report suggests that

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Speaker 4: they were using this video monitor to continue to steal

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Speaker 4: signs through the end of the postseason. So were they

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Speaker 4: banging or were they using some other method to communicate

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Speaker 4: to guys at the plate during the World Series.

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Speaker 8: Or were they not? We just don't know, And you know,

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Speaker 8: that's something I'm I'd still like to know.

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Speaker 6: To be honest, I should ask this maybe four or

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Speaker 6: five questions ago. As a follow up, mikey A, my apologies,

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Speaker 6: but you're you're right, Jeff Lunas soccer team. Did you

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Speaker 6: notice if they were wearing buzzers or not.

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Speaker 5: I didn't.

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Speaker 8: I didn't see any buzzer.

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Speaker 4: But I think they finished. This is not like a

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Speaker 4: successful teams.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 4: I think they're called Legani's it's it's in a suburb

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Speaker 4: of Madrid. They finished like fourteenth last year and right

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Speaker 4: now they're in first place in La Liga too, which

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Speaker 4: means if they stay that way, and there's a long

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Speaker 4: way to go, they would be promoted to La Liga

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Speaker 4: next year, like with Real Madrid and Barcelona. I mean

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Speaker 4: that's if that actually happens, that's a huge, huge financial award.

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Speaker 4: And you know, this is not the only team that

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Speaker 4: he and his investor owns. They owned team in Mexico,

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Speaker 4: they owned some team Africa. Like they're building this kind

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Speaker 4: of like international consortium of soccer teams using the same

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Speaker 4: principles that turn the Astros into what they are.

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Speaker 6: We'll get you out of here in a minute. Billy's

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Speaker 6: got his Marlins had on today. Marlins have made the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: We're all very excited down here at South Florida. Marlins.

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Speaker 2: Phillies, who you got m I.

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Speaker 8: Think the Phil's unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: Sorry guys, sorry to say that, but you know, oh man,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm just seeing I mean, I'm just seeing

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Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of schwar bombs in the

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Speaker 4: next couple of games here from the Phillies.

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna win the World Series this year? Who do

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Speaker 2: you think? I mean?

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Speaker 4: Look, the Braves look like an offensive juggernaut. That like

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Speaker 4: a historical offensive juggernaut. I have some questions about their

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Speaker 4: pitching in particular, but this team can really score some runs.

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Speaker 8: Couldn't help.

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Speaker 4: But notice, you know, the Astras kind of slipped into

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Speaker 4: the postseason, then slipped into the Ale, into the Als

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Speaker 4: title in the last day. But you look at the

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Speaker 4: odds and you look at the probabilities and things like fangrafts.

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Speaker 4: Right now they're the third favorite, right so this team's

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Speaker 4: run may not be over. And it's worth noting, you know,

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Speaker 4: last year's World Series champs, even though Luno has been

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Speaker 4: gone for a while, I think nineteen members of that

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Speaker 4: roster were people that Luno had brought into the organization,

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Speaker 4: either in the big leagues or the miners, so his fingerprints.

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Speaker 4: Even though they've done a lot to try to distance

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Speaker 4: themselves from him, and from his tactics, his fingerprints remain

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Speaker 4: all over that organization.

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Speaker 6: All right, man, we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 3: Ben.

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Speaker 6: Check it out his new documentary, The Astro's Edge, Triumphant

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Speaker 6: Scandal in Major League Baseball. It premieres it's streaming right

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Speaker 6: now PBS and YouTube.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate the time, Ben.

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Speaker 6: A great story, fascinating story, and enjoy the baseball playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Man, Thanks man, thanks for having me