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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with

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Speaker 2: who We've got a very special program for you tonight.

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Speaker 2: In a few days, it'll be almost sixty two years

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Speaker 2: since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. I was

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Speaker 2: thirteen years old. I remember that day explicitly, and who

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Speaker 2: could ever forget Walter Cronkite from CBS News.

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Speaker 3: From Dallas, Texas the flash apparently official. President Kennedy died

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Speaker 3: at one pm Central Standard time two o'clock Eastern Standard time,

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Speaker 3: some thirty eight minutes ago. Vice President Johnson has left

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Speaker 3: the hospital in Dallas, but we do not know to

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Speaker 3: where he has proceeded. Presumably he will be taking the

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Speaker 3: oath of office shortly and become the thirty sixthsident of

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Speaker 3: the United States.

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Speaker 2: Momentary silence you heard was Walter Cronkite breaking up when

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Speaker 2: he was saying the story. Now, a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: my English teacher, Nancy Leonard was on the program. She

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Speaker 2: has since passed away, and she was the one who

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Speaker 2: came in and told us what had happened to the president.

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Speaker 2: She was crying and we were all kids kind of upset,

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Speaker 2: not knowing what was really going on. It was an

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Speaker 2: unbelievable situation, but thanks to people like Mark Shaw and

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Speaker 2: Jerome Corsi, hopefully one day we will find out what happened.

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Speaker 2: Mark Shaw is an investigative reporter, noted historian and author.

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Speaker 2: His books include The Reporter Who Too Much, chronicling the

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Speaker 2: lifetimes and mysterious death of celebrated journalist Dorothy Kilgallen, who

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Speaker 2: was investigating the jfk assassination and it might have gotten

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Speaker 2: or killed, Abusive Powers, a book that came out just recently,

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Speaker 2: and Fighting for Justice. Mark, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, George, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Boy that cronkite voice there, I remember when he had

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Speaker 5: trouble going forward, you know, and it just hit us

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Speaker 5: all so hard.

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Speaker 4: But it was it was.

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Speaker 5: Conki, who I've always respected so much that you could

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Speaker 5: tell how upset he was for sure.

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Speaker 2: And you know what has just hit me the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days ago, Mark, we're coming up on sixty

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Speaker 2: two years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we are, And I thought i'd do the same

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Speaker 5: thing I did the last time a little bit when

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Speaker 5: I was on your program. It's giving us a little

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Speaker 5: bit of a history lesson of where we've come from

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Speaker 5: that assassination, because I got I always get a lot

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Speaker 5: of emails from around the world for people that listen

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Speaker 5: to your program, and I think they enjoyed our doing that.

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Speaker 5: So if we can remember JFK, you know, has passed away,

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Speaker 5: and then JEdgar Hoover takes center stage and right away

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Speaker 5: he goes to Oswald alone that they've captured the man

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Speaker 5: who did it. That's the end of the story, and

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Speaker 5: so on and so forth. He you know, we talked

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Speaker 5: about the fact that they stole basically stole the JFK's

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Speaker 5: body and sent it off to Washington. The autopsy should

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Speaker 5: have been done in Dallas, but it wasn't, and there's

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Speaker 5: always been a lot of complications and a lot of

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Speaker 5: question marks about that autopsy.

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Speaker 4: You remember.

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Speaker 5: Doctor wet who was on your program, I know a

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Speaker 5: few times, and he said it was the worst autopsy

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Speaker 5: he ever saw. Then there were the problems with where

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Speaker 5: the shots came from. Did they come from the front

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Speaker 5: or the back, and all of that, and so that

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Speaker 5: was all then a part of the part of the

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Speaker 5: investigation by the Warren Commission, and I think all of

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Speaker 5: us believed, at least I certainly did, that they were

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Speaker 5: going to get to the get to the bottom of

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Speaker 5: what happened.

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Speaker 4: They were going to give us the truth of what occurred.

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Speaker 4: But they got stuck on that.

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Speaker 5: Oswald alone stuff that Hoover was was proclaiming and never

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Speaker 5: really you know, completed a thorough investigation at that particular point,

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Speaker 5: so the Oswald alone theory lived on. We then got

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Speaker 5: on Assassinations, and they investigated another government agency and they

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Speaker 5: came to the conclusion that most everything pointed to a

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Speaker 5: mobster in New Orleans named Carlos Marcello having been the

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Speaker 5: one who had the strongest motive to have eliminated JFK.

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Speaker 4: But they didn't feel like they had enough evidence to.

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Speaker 5: Really go forward and specifically say that that's who did it.

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Speaker 5: They had the Church Committee, named after one of the senators.

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Speaker 5: They kind of again followed a bit of the House

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Speaker 5: Select Committee on Assassinations, so we didn't get too much

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Speaker 5: new information there. And so now in this particular year,

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Speaker 5: did in April of this year the JFK assassination's records,

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Speaker 5: also the Robert Kennedy assassinations records, and they convened what

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Speaker 5: was called the Task Force on the kind to make

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Speaker 5: sure I always get that right, the task Force on

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Speaker 5: What'd I do with it? The task Force on the

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Speaker 5: government secrets, and the fact that they were going to

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Speaker 5: look into what documents had been hidden through the years,

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Speaker 5: and so on and so forth, and so that was convened.

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Speaker 5: Congresswoman Anna Pauline Luna was the one who was in

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Speaker 5: charge of that particular task force and still is. And

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Speaker 5: so they were looking into the assassination and I told

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Speaker 5: time when I was on the program that I had

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Speaker 5: such great hopes because I remember, I'm just going to

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Speaker 5: quote basically what Luna said when it came out that

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Speaker 5: they were going to deal with sixty years of half

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Speaker 5: half truce, deceptions.

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Speaker 4: And out light outright lies.

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Speaker 5: At worst, they were just they were deceiving aspects from

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Speaker 5: the United States Congress.

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Speaker 4: Is what happened. It's time for the truth.

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Speaker 5: And so I had some really good feelings that things

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Speaker 5: were going to go forward to that end. When I

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Speaker 5: found out the task force had been convened, I went

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Speaker 5: ahead and said, as I told you the last time,

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Speaker 5: three or four letters to.

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Speaker 4: Congressman Lutna, the Congresswoman Luna.

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Speaker 5: Saying, look, here's my reacher, my research, seventy five pages

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Speaker 5: worth of research about the JFK assassination.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome to use it with your investigation.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to appear on one of your hearings at

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Speaker 5: one of your hearings if you want me to. I

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Speaker 5: even had the opportunity to speak with her for a

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Speaker 5: few minutes, and she said, I very recept you to that.

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Speaker 5: And so I really felt like that they were going

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Speaker 5: to do what hadn't happened before, and that was due

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Speaker 5: a full investigation looking at every.

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Speaker 4: Alternative that there could be.

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately, then threw some influence from a researcher named

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Speaker 5: Jefferson Morley, they got stuck again on the whole Oswald

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Speaker 5: their investigation thus far has been focused on Oswald CIA

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Speaker 4: But to my dismay, morally, on.

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Speaker 5: Some of the television shows and Luna and so on

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Speaker 5: and give you a definitive idea of what happened, because

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Speaker 5: there's no.

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Speaker 4: There's no direct evidence that.

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Speaker 5: The CIA or Oswalt was involved in the JFK assassination.

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Speaker 5: I mean, at one point Morley came out and said,

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Speaker 5: we can't even prove that Oswald shot the president. So

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Speaker 5: that really was disturbing to me, and so I decided

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Speaker 5: letters and so on and so forth, and I told

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Speaker 5: them of my research and the whole Carlos Marcelo situation

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Speaker 5: that had been looked upon way back when, but nobody

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Speaker 5: could quite define exactly what his responsibility was for that

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Speaker 5: and so on, so based on motive. So that's where

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Speaker 5: I was, probably two or three four months ago, very

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Speaker 5: frustrated that they wouldn't go forward, and I already felt

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Speaker 5: like that I had to continue to try to get

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Speaker 5: them to at least look at the alternative of the

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Speaker 5: Marcelo situation. And there's some brand new evidence that I'm

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Speaker 5: have mentioned the last time and then there's a beacon

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Speaker 5: of help, a beacon of light, I should say that

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Speaker 5: has happened today actually in.

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Speaker 4: New York City and in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: That may very well send us towards what really happened.

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Speaker 5: On November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 2: Mark some time ago, I met the granddaughter of Carlos Marcelo.

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Speaker 2: She works at a restaurant here in Saint Louis. I

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Speaker 2: did not I did not bring up her grandfather at

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Speaker 2: that time, But the next time I'm out there, I

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Speaker 2: think I'm going to start bringing it up. It's an

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Speaker 2: amazing yeh story.

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Speaker 5: You know a lot of people who are still alive anymore.

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Speaker 5: We just had the celebration of Dorothy Kilgallen's co naming

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Speaker 5: of the street for her in New York City. We

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Speaker 5: can talk about a little bit Dorothy kill Gallen Way,

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Speaker 5: but we could only find one person who actually knew

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Speaker 5: Dorothy kill Gallen back in the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 4: So many people have passed away.

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Speaker 5: But I do see some hope here because maybe you know,

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Speaker 5: and I may have mentioned it the last time, that

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Speaker 5: when those jfk assassination records were released, I looked everywhere

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Speaker 5: for anything about Dorothy kill Gallen.

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Speaker 4: Nothing in there.

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Speaker 5: I looked for everywhere, went through thousands of pages to

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Speaker 5: see if the Carlos Marcello.

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Speaker 4: Question mark was in there. Nothing.

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Speaker 5: And yet one day I was able to find out

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Speaker 5: that there were actually fourteen hundred FBI documents that they

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Speaker 5: thought were in the in the National Archives. They thought

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Speaker 5: they were in the JFK assassin.

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Speaker 4: Ration records, but actually they were not.

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Speaker 5: And so I really plowed through those and one of

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Speaker 5: the things I was able to find was what I

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Speaker 5: will call this evening for your listeners, is the Carlos

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Speaker 5: Marcello confession. Now we have to set that up because

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Speaker 5: how did it occur? And I've really got an awful

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Speaker 5: lot of new things in the book this time. I

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Speaker 5: think people be fascinated by some of the research.

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Speaker 4: But what I was able to.

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Speaker 5: Find was that in nineteen eighty six, Carlos Marcello was

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Speaker 5: in a prison in Texarkana, Texas, a federal prison.

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Speaker 4: He had been found guilty.

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Speaker 5: I believe it was bribing a jury or juror or

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Speaker 5: something like that. So what the FBI decided to do

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Speaker 5: because they believed he was involved in the JFK assassination,

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Speaker 5: was put a Stuley in there and the man's name

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Speaker 5: was Jack Ronald Van Lanningham.

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting with his background. I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: go into it. People can look at it in the book.

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Speaker 5: But they put him in the prison, got him, know

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Speaker 5: Carlos Marcelo. He became a cell mate, and then what

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Speaker 5: happened is that in the prison yard. This is exactly

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Speaker 5: what happened. I'm gonna watch my language a little bit,

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Speaker 5: but this is exactly what happened in terms of the

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Speaker 5: account that is in the FBI records.

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Speaker 4: I think it's very credible.

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Speaker 5: Marcello, who had said, unlike as he did often with

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Speaker 5: tie raids against John Kennedy, on this occasion, Carlos Marcelo said,

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Speaker 5: referring to President Kenny Kennedy, Yeah, I had the soob kill.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad I did. I'm sorry I couldn't have done

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Speaker 5: it myself.

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