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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation master Class. I am your

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Speaker 1: You're Nicole and was born in on army base in

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Speaker 1: African man from Ghana. Nicole, as he's affectionately known, was

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Speaker 1: the myths around Southern black men, black gay men, and

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Speaker 1: those identifying in the non binary space and if they

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Speaker 1: live four lives that they can leave. Nico originated the

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Speaker 1: role of Uncle Clifford and the popular show P Valley

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Speaker 1: and played that characters is twenty eleven. To date, he

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Speaker 1: as on the television show P Valley the Stars Network.

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Speaker 1: The award winning series P Valley is back for season two.

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Speaker 1: P Valley. If you don't know, It's an engrossing drama, family, friendship,

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Speaker 1: Eastern and Pacific. This season is richly crafted. Characters deal

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Speaker 1: while also facing the aftermass of the decisions from season one.

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Speaker 1: Please work from the money Making Conversation master Class for

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Speaker 1: the first time, Nico, how are you doing, my friend,

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Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm great. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: mad if you're the lad because you're you're a star.

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Speaker 1: You are a star. You are an individual, brother, you

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Speaker 1: know you're an individual. That Let's let's talk about the character,

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Speaker 1: because you know in your bio they said you've been

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Speaker 1: that character did not originate on the television series I've seen,

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Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rashan McDonald or Nicole. He brought up the pole. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm chasing that key Shaw. Don't don't get too don't

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Speaker 1: them outstanding credit Shaw and Mercedes. Okay, but let's first

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Speaker 1: go with Keyshaw. My my, my, my my. I'm just

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Speaker 1: where did they find her? And what is her background

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Speaker 1: as an athlete because she has that gymnastics in her background? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Is It's like watching a running back and a wire receiver.

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Speaker 1: to me. How I receive it is that it is

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Speaker 1: a new day. It is a time where we regardless

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Speaker 1: of how you identify, I think at the time when

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Speaker 1: we can see all of us, when we can acknowledge

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Speaker 1: all of us, and when we can talk about it. Um.

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Speaker 1: I come from the time from when it used to

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Speaker 1: be the question of are you sweet or do you

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Speaker 1: have sugar in your tank? Or back in the day,

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Speaker 1: even red some said from the side, he was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a little You know, there were things

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Speaker 1: that people always talked about. And I think that the

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Speaker 1: importance of today is that we really get to be

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Speaker 1: able to meet each other human being to human being.

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Speaker 1: The character that I play Uncle Clifford is non binary,

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Speaker 1: and that's a person who is equally accepting of all

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Speaker 1: of the things that cannot be held into a restrictive box.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you have a question of how

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Speaker 1: someone identifies you, simply do that you can ask. That

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Speaker 1: is the level of respect. Because one of the things

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Speaker 1: I find with play Uncle Clifford that no matter who

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Speaker 1: you are or where you come from, you respect her.

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Speaker 1: I think you respect her because you see her. So

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Speaker 1: you see this body that is six too. You see

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Speaker 1: this dark skin, these fool that you see this beard,

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Speaker 1: but you see this pretty face, and you see these nails,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, what's going on? But you see someone

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Speaker 1: walking with the level of confidence and clarity even more so,

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Speaker 1: and it's not even about any kind of bravado, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? I think because when you see

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Speaker 1: a woman that is walking in her full femininity, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that she has to be soft, or she

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Speaker 1: has to be in a pants suit to have authority.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm saying what I mean. And you don't

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Speaker 1: think that a brother that he has to be wearing

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Speaker 1: a move to be in touch with his feelings. You

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Speaker 1: can be who you are in your sweatpants and your

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Speaker 1: athletic socks, in your business suit, in your MoU all

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Speaker 1: of the things come on, come on, especially for us

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Speaker 1: as a community. I feel so proud for this moment, honestly, brother,

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Speaker 1: because there are people who still have high levels of homophobia,

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Speaker 1: absolutely for sure. But what I do know about this

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Speaker 1: ton that I'm living in and its project, is that

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Speaker 1: there are people who are willing to make a change,

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Speaker 1: that are opening their minds, that are opening their their

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Speaker 1: minds not only to the l g B t Q

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Speaker 1: between bisexual, pan sexual trends as well as pan sexual.

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Speaker 1: You know that I like it all. I think that

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Speaker 1: I think that people have really stigmatized sex workers and

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Speaker 1: pole dancers for so long, and then they watch this

476
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Speaker 1: program and they're like, Oh, they're real people just like me.

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Speaker 1: They're going they're working their way through school, they're taking

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Speaker 1: care of their children, or they're helping their their grandparents,

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Speaker 1: their caretakers. You know, you can go to the dentists

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Speaker 1: and you not know that your dentists used to be

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Speaker 1: up on the pole, or your dentists used to be

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Speaker 1: diamond at a club. We all have a history, but

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Speaker 1: we also have the power to read right our future right. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But Nico, I want to thank you. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a voice. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: say thank you for allowing me to be entertained every Sunday.

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Speaker 1: And if I miss it on Sunday, I see it

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Speaker 1: don't repeat on my streaming. But well, you know, the

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Speaker 1: thing I like it as we close this interview out

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Speaker 1: is that your character is not over the top. It's

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Speaker 1: a character I found very realistic, you know. And but

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Speaker 1: you just playing who you are, And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what you just said, just being the person who you are.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a dressed a certain way.

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Speaker 1: You can were You're the same person in a in

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Speaker 1: a cool locks, you're the same person. And short, you're

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Speaker 1: the same person. Address you same person a suit, same

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Speaker 1: person with the blood wig. You're the same person. It's

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Speaker 1: just being administered in a different look. And that's the

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Speaker 1: exciting part about this show is that p Valley is

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Speaker 1: a show with a different look, is set in a

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Speaker 1: small town, fictional city in Mississippi. The music is great,

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Speaker 1: the acting is great, the drama is great. More importantly,

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Speaker 1: you will fall in love with the characters. If you

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Speaker 1: can't find stars network, find it opp that app But

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Speaker 1: importantly on Sunday Night, dropped it app so you can

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Speaker 1: see this show. Thank you for taking the time to

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Speaker 1: come on Money Making Conversation master Class. You are a star,

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Speaker 1: and not only on P valid but you're just a

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Speaker 1: star in real life. Thank you, my friend, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We'll be right back with more money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are now tuned

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Speaker 1: into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rushan McDonald. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Sean McDonald for Money Making Conversations with your daily

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Speaker 1: minute of Inspiration. This week I sat down with artists, author,

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Speaker 1: co owner Reach Records, and Three Strands Films partner L Craig.

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Speaker 1: He discusses the purpose of his new YouTube series Protected Bag,

518
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Speaker 1: not waiting on opportunities, and starting his own production company.

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Speaker 1: Yes So Reach Records is an independent label. Man. I've

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Speaker 1: been doing this since I was a kid, you know,

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Speaker 1: coming out of college, and so you know that's that's

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Speaker 1: over fifteen years of of running a successful label. By

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Speaker 1: Guy's grace, we've always been profitable. And that's just a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing. One of the things that I would say

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Speaker 1: is is UH, I realized early on I was not

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Speaker 1: gonna sit around and wait for uh somebody to embrace

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Speaker 1: what I was doing. If you want to listen to

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Speaker 1: this full interview with a crazy it's available on money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations dot com. Now let's return to Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rashan McDonald. I recognized that we all

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Speaker 1: have different definition of success for you and may be

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Speaker 1: the size of your paycheck. Mine is aspiring people to

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Speaker 1: accomplish their goals and live their very best life. It's

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Speaker 1: time to stop reading other people's success stories to start

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Speaker 1: writing your own. People always talk about their purpose or gift.

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Speaker 1: If you have a gift, leave with your gifts. You

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Speaker 1: know that your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from

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Speaker 1: planning a living your dreams. My next gist is a

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Speaker 1: person who leads with her gifts and shared her gifts.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Felicia d. Henderson. She's tarted a Hollywood

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Speaker 1: career right on popular sick comps. Then a major shift

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Speaker 1: occurred because she's the creative Showtimes Emmy nominated series Soul

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Speaker 1: Food television first multi season African American drama. Currently, she

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Speaker 1: is the Shower, executive producer and head writer of the

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Speaker 1: action field romantic drama First Killed, premiering on Netflix June tenth,

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Speaker 1: to show pitts of family of vampires who are white

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Speaker 1: against the family of monster hunters who are black. She's

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Speaker 1: also developing the World War two drama Avenger Field for Peacock.

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Speaker 1: The series stars Renee Zeger as Jackie Cochran, who co

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Speaker 1: founded the school, who co found in the US Army

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Speaker 1: first woman's only woman's pilot training program, and at the

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Speaker 1: time of her death in eighty was the most accomplished

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Speaker 1: American pilot male or female in American history. Please working

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Speaker 1: to money making Conversations, massac Class. The one and only

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Speaker 1: Felicia D. Henderson. How you do Felicia Hi god Worthy,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing well? You know? For you right

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Speaker 1: just after them on the East coast. I knew US coast,

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Speaker 1: you know, but you was out here on the west coast,

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Speaker 1: East coast doing Atlanta, Savannah, doing this amazing series called

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Speaker 1: First Kill. That was that was interesting because of the

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Speaker 1: fact that you know, this is a cool play on race.

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Speaker 1: It's a cool play on kind of like a Romeo

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Speaker 1: and Juliet play on romance. But how did the concept

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Speaker 1: come to you? Thank you? And UM, I love it

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Speaker 1: you say it's a cool play on these things. UM,

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Speaker 1: because well, first, I'm gonna start with answering your question, UM,

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Speaker 1: but why did this same to me? As Victoria Schwab

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Speaker 1: also known as b. E. Schwab in her writing UM

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Speaker 1: wrote a short story called First Kill and it's part

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Speaker 1: of an anthology UM called Vampires Never Died and Um

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Speaker 1: the Netflix liked it and hired her then to adapt

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Speaker 1: it into TV show. So she wrote the pilot's script

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Speaker 1: and then UM, Netflix called my manager and asked me

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Speaker 1: to read it. And I was like, no, my cup,

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Speaker 1: runneth over right. I don't have time for something new.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you just have to read it. And

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Speaker 1: I think two or three times I was like nope,

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Speaker 1: and I'm finally He's like for me, you know, you

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Speaker 1: have long time manager, longtime relationships. They get you for me.

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Speaker 1: So I read it and I was like, I'm in

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Speaker 1: let's set the meeting up and um and I. So

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Speaker 1: I loved it, and that's how I've ben took the

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Speaker 1: meeting with Netflix, met with Victoria, met with the folks

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Speaker 1: at Belatrice uh Um, the other producers, and decided to

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Speaker 1: come aboard. Never lets you where were you at with

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Speaker 1: the development of the project, with the project already in

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Speaker 1: motion or you were the early creative stages casting world.

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Speaker 1: I want to aise to really get a full take

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Speaker 1: of what first kill when you would introduce because you said,

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Speaker 1: you know four times, so I knew they were moving

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Speaker 1: along while you were saying no, sitting there, I'll thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: no act truly because to Netflix is credit. They really

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Speaker 1: realized they needed a voice like mine in the room.

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Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that they knew that this cast

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Speaker 1: is one it is um black, you know, um and so,

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Speaker 1: and it is also at the center has two young women.

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Speaker 1: So they really realized this was something that was missing,

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Speaker 1: you know, from where they were so far creatingly. So

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Speaker 1: what they had was Victoria's script, but they really had

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Speaker 1: not moved forward because they were looking for basically and

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Speaker 1: um so from the very beginning, um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: got to take a look at the script and at

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Speaker 1: what I know about cultural specificity to those characters. Um

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Speaker 1: and and then from there I got to hire my

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Speaker 1: writing staff, and you know, then from there at a

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Speaker 1: group oh and higher than the director, and then as

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Speaker 1: a group we started the tasting process. Um and um

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Speaker 1: so all of that. You know, some like Jason Moore,

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Speaker 1: who plays Jack Burns, was an actor that I worked

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Speaker 1: with on The Punisher, to my Love, so he started

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Speaker 1: look familiar. I thought it looked familiar. I know this

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Speaker 1: guy from Punishing with one of my favorites. That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's from The Punisher. You know, I need him and

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Speaker 1: so you know, um so it just started like that.

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Speaker 1: You know. Juliet, the Juliet of Fairmont, who was played

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Speaker 1: by Sarah Catherine Hook, was the first hired. We really

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Speaker 1: thought we were going to have a hard time finding

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Speaker 1: the right through we had, so that's where we started,

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Speaker 1: you know, and outstanding, by the way, outstanding, and he

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Speaker 1: had cal was also had shared the romantically who was

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Speaker 1: African American, and so the whole process when I look

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Speaker 1: at this series, you know, you know, you have to

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Speaker 1: be sensitive because, like I said, I can, I can

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Speaker 1: should down and say I'm a very talented writer, but

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Speaker 1: you have a you have a world that is gay

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Speaker 1: and lesbian. Okay, from a writer's perspective, did you was

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Speaker 1: your was your writer's room balanced like that to be

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Speaker 1: able to handle that conversation? Now that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Rashan Um. You know, I'm a big believer that the

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Speaker 1: writer's room should have the experience that you're depicting on

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Speaker 1: the screen, so you know somebody in that room. And again,

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Speaker 1: you can't always have that. Obviously, if you're doing a

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Speaker 1: show about aliens, you don't have alien you know, but

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Speaker 1: you have someone in there who knows aliens more than

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Speaker 1: anybody else, is an alien expert, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it was very important that And I

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Speaker 1: also having had the experience of being the only black

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Speaker 1: writer in a room that might have a show that

640
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Speaker 1: might have one or two black characters, And so I've

641
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: had that experience where then they come to you and

642
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Speaker 1: every time there's something for the black character to do,

643
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Speaker 1: you know, they just got so when you do that,

644
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Speaker 1: And so I also wanted to make sure there wasn't

645
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Speaker 1: just one queer person in the room who everybody was

646
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: looking at going and now we turned to you as

647
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Speaker 1: the queer expert because you know, it's like like all experiences,

648
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a monolithic experience or whatever

649
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Speaker 1: it is that you are. And so it was important

650
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Speaker 1: to me to have you know, men and women queer

651
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: writers in the room. It was important to me to

652
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: have black writers because more than to have white writers,

653
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: it was important, you know, for all the experiences that

654
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to be depicted, right, honestly,

655
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: there are no vampires. And I'm speaking to Felisha d Handens,

656
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: so one of the top sitcom and dramatic writers and

657
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: film writers in Hollywood, and her new series First First Kill,

658
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: like I said, as as our action field romantic drama,

659
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: and there's eight episodes long and the premiers June team

660
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: and I'm an advocate. I you know, I get special

661
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: access because you know who I am. So I got

662
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: to be able to binge watch, so four episodes on

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Speaker 1: four episodes on Saturday. And that's how four episodes on

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. I called her in the middle because we

665
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Speaker 1: are have a great relationship with long term friends and

666
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Speaker 1: just told her I loved it. And that's just why

667
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Speaker 1: I would tell you why I loved it, because first

668
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Speaker 1: of all, it was engaging. It was it was entertaining,

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Speaker 1: it was it misled me in a good way, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna know it all I think. And that's

671
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: that's good writing, you know, that's good storytelling that you're engaged.

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00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: And so when you look at it when you're developing

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Speaker 1: these characters, because because you have these these monster hunters

674
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Speaker 1: and then you have these vampires, they don't know each other,

675
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Speaker 1: and then you're trying to create a relationship, and what

676
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: what came out of it was a parenting story. Correct. Yeah,

677
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: it really wasn't very much about the family and m

678
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: getting the opportunity to compare, you know, two very different

679
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Speaker 1: households because you have warring families there that Populace and

680
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Speaker 1: the Monogue for all intents and purposes, and so you

681
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Speaker 1: get to go inside both of these young women's homes

682
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Speaker 1: and see how the fact that they now want to

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Speaker 1: do what they want to do as opposed to what

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Speaker 1: they were raised to do, and see how each set

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Speaker 1: of parents deal with the fact that their their child

686
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Speaker 1: is not doing what they're told, and so in that

687
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Speaker 1: way we tried very much um to have those experienced

688
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: that part of the experience being incredibly normal because everyone

689
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Speaker 1: who's a parent knows what it's like when you say

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Speaker 1: go left and your child goes right. That's incredibly universal.

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Speaker 1: So in that part, it's like, it is time for

692
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Speaker 1: you to do what you're told. You're sixty, now you're

693
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Speaker 1: But the thing that's different is like it's time for

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Speaker 1: you to go your vampire, so it's time to go

695
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Speaker 1: for your first kill. But how you're dealing with the idea,

696
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Speaker 1: do what you're told, grow up and be like your family.

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Speaker 1: That's of both girls are being told big like your family.

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Speaker 1: You know, girls on their own road because because you

699
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Speaker 1: dealing with the reason I say it's a really good

700
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Speaker 1: parenting story because like our parents, we know how to

701
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Speaker 1: make decisions and we feel our life is hid in

702
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Speaker 1: the right direction. Juliet's father is a d A. The

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Speaker 1: setting is Savannah, Georgia, which has that like you know,

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Speaker 1: Savannah has that little is next to New Orleans. It

705
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Speaker 1: has that little voodoo type vampire something's happening in the

706
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Speaker 1: swamps type area app at look background look to it.

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Speaker 1: And then you have these master Hunters who are at

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Speaker 1: the top of the gil. You know, they're they're the best.

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Speaker 1: They were brought into Savannah because they are here to

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Speaker 1: do their job. So these are the parents d a

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Speaker 1: successful lead Master Hunters. Then they have two daughters who

712
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Speaker 1: are teens at that right age where they feel they

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Speaker 1: are kind of grown, but they're not grown. That's what

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Speaker 1: stood out to be the most in your writing room

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Speaker 1: that you created with First Kill. What were just some

716
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Speaker 1: of the fun journeys that y'all head putting each episode together?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have so much fun. And you

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Speaker 1: know one of the things you said earlier about I

719
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Speaker 1: always say when I'm putting the writing writer's room together,

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Speaker 1: as Sean, I don't really need anyone who thinks like me.

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Speaker 1: I already think like so I'm not one of those

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Speaker 1: who tries to get a whole bunch of people who

723
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Speaker 1: you know are gonna say, yes, you're brilliant. I also

724
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Speaker 1: say my goal is to always be, you know, the

725
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Speaker 1: dumbest person in the room, and I am really freaking smart,

726
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Speaker 1: so that I am trying to, you know, elevate myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to elevate the material. When I bring this

728
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Speaker 1: group together, and Victorian and I still have the ongoing

729
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: battle all fun that. She's like, well, you know there

730
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Speaker 1: are no such thing as straight vampires. What are you

731
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Speaker 1: talking about? So we have this ongoing battle about all

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Speaker 1: vampires being clear. No, Victoria, I were a vampire, I'd

733
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Speaker 1: be a straight vampire. She's like, no, you wouldn't because

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Speaker 1: of your vampire you were. We have these kind of

735
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: fun conversations and then just people talking about as you know,

736
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Speaker 1: the other writers in the room who are parents, like

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Speaker 1: what they would do if their daughter did this thing?

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I had my second my Coe

739
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Speaker 1: is a mother of four children, and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: what would you do? Joyce like drown him? I was like,

741
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: what's like, my child do something other than what I

742
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: told him to do. So you have that kind of

743
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: fun stuff, and then you have the fun conversations about

744
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: building the mythology, because the room really built that mythology,

745
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, from Whole Cloth, where the short story that

746
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Speaker 1: Victoria wrote leaves off. The short story is kind of

747
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: the pilot. We do the short story in the pilot,

748
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Speaker 1: and then we have to create an entire series. And

749
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Speaker 1: so being in that room and deciding to what the

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Speaker 1: guild would look like, what would be the rules of

751
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: the guild. How do you get into the you know,

752
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: where do these you know, legacy vampires come from? What

753
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: is their mythology? He's the biggest, baddest one. And to

754
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: also be doing that where you unapologetically within our mythology,

755
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: the legacy vampires. You know, it's a matriarchy. So to

756
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: talk about strong women getting to do you know, what

757
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: we do and happen being unapologetic about that because that's

758
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: in the mythology, it's just all very cool. Well, the

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00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: interesting thing about the series First Killers is preparation. Okay,

760
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: because a lot of people there was a lot of action,

761
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: lots of scenes. So how did that work out? Okay?

762
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: Was there a period for training action training before we

763
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: started production? And how did that production want to work

764
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: when you're doing a series like that that is romantic

765
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: but it's very heavy action field and because the stuff

766
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: you after you're doing can't lead to injuries, so you

767
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: can't just go out and add libit. So talk about

768
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: that was you know you did the honestor so you

769
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: used to violence, you know, violence on the street, so

770
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: can't get no more violent than furniture. But then this

771
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: is your personal project that the purpose purpose violence. Yeah, yeah,

772
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: I would tell you that before you asked that question.

773
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: The fun part about this series is that you have

774
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: the vampires who are somewhat invincible, okay, and then you

775
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: have a young African American girl her name is cal

776
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: on the show, and she is can be harmed, she

777
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: can be hurt, she's vulnerable, she's a human, and that

778
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: carries an emotion for you throughout the series of fear

779
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: that something can go wrong. And that is really key

780
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: in this series for me as a watcher, going don't

781
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: go there, don't come on now, don't be stupid. Then,

782
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: and so that was the that was the whole training process.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I enjoyed it as a viewer

784
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: but also as a friend. Congratulations, Thank you so much

785
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: for Sean. I really really appreciate that because I'm know

786
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: that you are a very critical watcher. You're a very

787
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: critical viewer. I know that very well. So and then

788
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot to me to get that Sunday afternoon, Paul

789
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: from you going I'm in. I also know you to

790
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: be a very honest guy, so you would tell me

791
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: I'm not in really really hard. Um. You know, everyone did.

792
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: And I will tell you the two brothers. You know, Um,

793
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: from the time that the actors arrived, they went into

794
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: training with the stuff Apo and THEO. Yes, yes, Apolo

795
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: Burns and Dominick Goodman place uh Apollo and Philip Mullins

796
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Junior plays THEO and they're both in incredible shape, and

797
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: so it became a competition between them and they ended

798
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: up being thickest things. Like they really did have that

799
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: brotherly relationship and um. But they were like they were

800
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: just always competitive with each other. And of course, particularly

801
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: dominic was always asking can he do that stunt? You know,

802
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: we also have stump performers, but he would often want

803
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: to do that stunt and I do that, Like, no,

804
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: you cannot. But they did their own stunts because they came,

805
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, ready to work that hard and um. And

806
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: of course Amani Louis, she's a natural athlete as well,

807
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: who places the life he burned, So they all there's

808
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: natural athletes who already came with bodies ready, and then

809
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: they worked really hard and wanted to everybody wanted it

810
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: to just look really authentic, and so they worked really

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Speaker 1: hard to make sure that it did, and I was

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00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: just I was so so proud of them. It's the

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00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: best past. They just all came and gave a every

814
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: single day have to you know, battling COVID. Okay, you

815
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: know that it's not a normal time. When this production

816
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: was happening, people mashed up and you know, be tested.

817
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: How did that play a role in frustration and this

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Speaker 1: duction at the time it was going on it But

819
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: on the screen you don't see that. All you see

820
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: is a final result. No, you don't see those extra

821
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Speaker 1: twenty hours a day that you know I was working

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Speaker 1: because of COVID and that we started before there were vaccines,

823
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: so you know it was but Netflix have very strict

824
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Speaker 1: policies to keep us safe, and I was very strict

825
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Speaker 1: about them, and you know I gave just I'm the

826
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Speaker 1: set to let it every all the cast and the

827
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Speaker 1: po we will be following this protocol because I promised

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Speaker 1: my family I'm coming home as healthy as I left,

829
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Speaker 1: and so we were very strict about it. But it

830
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Speaker 1: did mean you know that it took longer because we

831
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Speaker 1: could only work at shorter days to give people masks

832
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 1: breaks since those things get get overwhelming when you're wearing

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Speaker 1: them twelve hours a day and all of that kind

834
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Speaker 1: of thing. You know. So it was the only ever

835
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: frustrations that I ever had had to do with the

836
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Speaker 1: challenge of, you know, producing this show during very challenging times.

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Speaker 1: The actually you know, creative side of it was wonderful,

838
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: amazing and fun, you know, every day. And because everyone

839
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: was working so hard, um, it made the stuff that

840
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: made it difficult, like working during COVID, you could get

841
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: through it because we were all a team trying to

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Speaker 1: make it. We'll be right back with more Money Making

843
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Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return to Money

844
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Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. There's an interesting question,

845
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: Felicia about the series. You know, because you know you

846
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Speaker 1: you got you got eight episodes here, you know, you

847
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: you go, you you put it on the wall, you

848
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: try to develop his ar kind of characters connect and

849
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Speaker 1: all this stuff. When did you feel at that point, go,

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Speaker 1: I got it, and then you felt that magical moment

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Speaker 1: this is special. I got it. That's one response and

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Speaker 1: then this is special. Um. I think that I have

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Speaker 1: to give a lot of love and big props to

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Speaker 1: Jet Wilkinson our director, um Jet just oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I met her on The Punishers when

856
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Speaker 1: we first worked together. She directed an episode I wrote,

857
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Speaker 1: and we just really clicked. And she was the first

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Speaker 1: one person that I thought of, you know, because she

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Speaker 1: be a woman with the kind of experience that she

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Speaker 1: has um in terms of doing you know, action, and

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Speaker 1: she happens to also be so she's kick ass. And

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Speaker 1: then she happens to be a queer woman, so Jet

864
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Speaker 1: and a woman of color. So she brought all of

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Speaker 1: that to bear on this and um watching her work,

866
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Speaker 1: you know that you have you just go, oh my god,

867
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Speaker 1: I can't believe what we're accomplishing in these conditions. But

868
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Speaker 1: when I really felt for Shaun like we've got it,

869
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Speaker 1: I was in editing, you know. It took me seeing

870
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Speaker 1: it all being put together and then the visual effects added,

871
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Speaker 1: and then Kurt far Far to write that killer score.

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Speaker 1: You know. Enough whos love the music so much that

873
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Speaker 1: there is a soundtrack coming out with the score. We

874
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Speaker 1: have two official playlists of the music from the show,

875
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Speaker 1: all being dropped on Friday, June tenth, um when the

876
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Speaker 1: show drops. So it was seeing it all together going,

877
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Speaker 1: I am so proud of this, Like I knew when

878
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Speaker 1: I saw it all the like that feeling of like

879
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Speaker 1: I know this is good, and I know this is good.

880
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Speaker 1: I know we're speaking to a lot of people. I

881
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: know people are gonna enjoy it, and they're gonna learn

882
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Speaker 1: something and they're going to appreciate we're talking to Felicia D. Henderson.

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Speaker 1: She's the executive producer, the showrunner, the head writer of

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Speaker 1: the exciting action field romantic drama owned Netflix premier June

885
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Speaker 1: tent is called First Kill. One of the things I've

886
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Speaker 1: always admired about Felicia D. Henderson is her ability to

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Speaker 1: pivot if she's if she's not a person that you

888
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Speaker 1: if you're holding hands walking down the road, though she

889
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Speaker 1: might veer off, so holy tight, Holy tight, because you

890
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Speaker 1: actually who in her direction if she sees an opportunity

891
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: that she's comfortable with. And that's that's what a lot

892
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Speaker 1: of people don't do. They get fear stops him from shifting.

893
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Speaker 1: How does it allow before I go into the Renee

894
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Speaker 1: their winger project, how does that walking through silences? Some

895
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: people say walking up, willing to come through, go through

896
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Speaker 1: doctors to come out and potentially into the light. How

897
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Speaker 1: do you how do you pull that off? Felicia? Um,

898
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Speaker 1: you know what, I think that I have an interesting

899
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Speaker 1: relationship with fear um and that a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Even my younger sister we once had an argument and

901
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Speaker 1: she goes, well, I'm not like you. You know, you're

902
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Speaker 1: not afraid of anything. And I asked, said her, actually,

903
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Speaker 1: I'm afraid all the time. I just moved despite my fear,

904
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Speaker 1: and UM, I'm not gonna ever let it control me.

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Speaker 1: And I also am a person who I am all.

906
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Speaker 1: I'm just naturally inquisitive. So if I haven't done something before, um,

907
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Speaker 1: if something looks interesting, too interesting to me, I always

908
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Speaker 1: believe I can do it. So I'm like, I want

909
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Speaker 1: to try that thing. I love trying new things. I'm

910
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Speaker 1: at a point in my career that I only want

911
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Speaker 1: to choose things that are significant in some way to

912
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Speaker 1: me and my uplifting my race and my up women

913
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Speaker 1: and my uplifting um groups that are not um you know,

914
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Speaker 1: represented well or not enough. And you know, first my

915
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Speaker 1: job always is too entertain but while entertained, I want

916
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Speaker 1: to be fed myself on that a place where I

917
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Speaker 1: want to be fed. So I'm always looking for what

918
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Speaker 1: haven't I done that then could be interesting to me?

919
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Speaker 1: And um, it's always scary petenue if you don't know

920
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Speaker 1: what you're doing. But I take my full and whole

921
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Speaker 1: self goin, let's go, you know. So it's a little fearful.

922
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: I go anyway, and then once I make that leap,

923
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Speaker 1: my eye is only on the goal. So no matter

924
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Speaker 1: what happens, like with production on First Kill, you would

925
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Speaker 1: be amazed at all that went wrong if I had

926
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Speaker 1: time to tell you. And you know, people are like, oh,

927
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Speaker 1: it's time to shut down or we're never gonna make it.

928
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Speaker 1: It's time. And I don't talk to those people, right

929
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Speaker 1: because I didn't come here to shut down, you know

930
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Speaker 1: what I mean. I came here to do a show.

931
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Speaker 1: I will not leave until that show is done now,

932
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Speaker 1: so that lens us to shift over to another exciting

933
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Speaker 1: project's coming up. You know, when you look at the

934
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Speaker 1: streaming and the cable and the first I only had,

935
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Speaker 1: like I had a Direct TV and then I had Comcast.

936
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Speaker 1: If the Direct TV, if the rain came too hard,

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Speaker 1: you the direct TV went away. So I was that

938
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Speaker 1: Comcast sitting over there. Okay, I'm still watch TV. Okay,

939
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for me, I've just over the Comcast. It's part

940
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Speaker 1: of Peacock. So if you have Comcasts, you will get Peacocks.

941
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Speaker 1: And so that means that I don't I have to buy.

942
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Speaker 1: Already got Apple anywhere. I already got Disney Plus anyway,

943
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Speaker 1: I alway got a Hulu anyway. I already got HBO

944
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Speaker 1: Plus because I got the Disney, because I got Direct TV.

945
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Speaker 1: So this is old Peacock. It's called Avenger Field. It

946
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Speaker 1: starts an incredibly talented actress. When you're able to work

947
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Speaker 1: with talent like that, you know you go because you're

948
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Speaker 1: going from a very talented cruel. We are not no

949
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Speaker 1: no dispersion unknown talent, you know. So I have excellent

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Speaker 1: resumes to a bona fide, well known actress and res

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Speaker 1: age zell Winker. That's where these projects being developed for

952
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Speaker 1: talk about making that transition and how do you look

953
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Speaker 1: at it differently? Um, you know what you try your

954
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Speaker 1: best once you take it, and you say, you know,

955
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Speaker 1: you try to bring your a game and anything you

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Speaker 1: do right, But I certainly do. And so once I

957
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Speaker 1: say I'm gonna bring you know, writing and producing are

958
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Speaker 1: just the gifts that God decided I should have. So

959
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Speaker 1: the way I say thank you for that is I

960
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Speaker 1: bring my a game. I work as hard as I can,

961
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Speaker 1: and so I want to be worthy of, you know,

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Speaker 1: having been given the gift, and I want to be

963
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Speaker 1: worthy of you know, a two time Oscar winning actress's ability. Right,

964
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Speaker 1: So that's where I start. But once I do that,

965
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Speaker 1: realize the opportunity, the blessing I've been given, I put

966
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Speaker 1: it to the Cyrus Shawan because then I just have

967
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Speaker 1: to focus on doing the best work I can. Because

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Speaker 1: if I focus on, oh my gosh, this is for

969
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Speaker 1: Renee's Elwig, then you know, your mind gets all screwing

970
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Speaker 1: and then the pressure gets to you, you know, and yeah,

971
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Speaker 1: if I do my best, it will be good enough

972
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Speaker 1: for her. But if I focus on, you know, the

973
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Speaker 1: stuff that I can control, you know, will she like it?

974
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Speaker 1: Then I can't do my best work. So I've come

975
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Speaker 1: to the table already knowing what an amazing honor it

976
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Speaker 1: is to get a chance to write for Renee's Elwig.

977
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Speaker 1: Like that's huge. I bowed down. She's amazed easy, and

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Speaker 1: so I think God for bringing me to this place.

979
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Speaker 1: And then I put it over here to the side.

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Speaker 1: So that I can do the job that would be

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Speaker 1: worthy of her by focusing on the job and words

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Speaker 1: on it. Where my friend. As long as I've been

983
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Speaker 1: on you, you pushed me and you've been focused, and

984
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Speaker 1: from my focus, you refocused me. But more importantly, you

985
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Speaker 1: know the fact that you're working on the series that

986
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Speaker 1: I got to see on Netflix to somebody I love

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Speaker 1: and I admire, and I've seen growing this industry transition

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Speaker 1: from comedy and fearlessness. You know, refer the word fearlessness

989
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Speaker 1: was out there. You were fierce. Okay, so let's go

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Speaker 1: be real. Forget Beyonce's This is the real fears right there.

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00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: So again, First Kill a premier on Netflix June. Team

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Speaker 1: you gotta watch it, not because she's my friend, it's

993
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Speaker 1: it's entertaining, it's funny. Is action feel for sure? Is

994
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Speaker 1: a pretty cool take on Romeo and Juliet and um

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Speaker 1: in this apparently movie that really really strikes you as

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Speaker 1: something relatable to anybody who wants their child to have

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Speaker 1: a better life than they had when they were growing up,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they're fighting in this family of hunters

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Speaker 1: and vampires is called First Kill on Netflix. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Felicia d Henderson than McDonald, I love you

1001
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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you having me on. I really really do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much and we'll talk again on the

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Speaker 1: other side. Absolutely alright. I want to thank everybody. If

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Speaker 1: you want to see me or any of these episodes

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Speaker 1: on my show, go to money Making Conversation dot com

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Speaker 1: or Rashan McDonald. I am your host. Thank you. You've

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Speaker 1: been listening to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Always remember to lead with your gifts. Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: I sat down with singer, songwriter, actress, producer and award

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Speaker 1: He did it for Me, Tamla shares. There was a

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Speaker 1: for her? How you interview with me? Why you ain't tied?

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Speaker 1: I was that I took I took a few breaks breaks,

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Speaker 1: but and then to working on the music. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, you have to kind of work while it

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Speaker 1: is day. You have to just keep going. Why you

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Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen, So you kind of have to

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