Speaker 1: All right, Leonards hindered all things simple man, that means
Speaker 1: whole things. Bill O'Reilly, all things O'reillybilloreilly dot com. Mister O'Reilly, sir.
Speaker 1: Now you can tell everybody what I texted you and
Speaker 1: told you over the phone when you aren't feeling well.
Speaker 1: I said you better not blanking die on me. Did
Speaker 1: I not say that?
Speaker 2: You did say that, Hannity, and that.
Speaker 1: I needed and by the way, that made all the difference,
Speaker 1: and you got.
Speaker 2: Well right almost instantly. It was like going to Lord's.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's quite that all right, So
Speaker 1: I know you have a heart. I know you care
Speaker 1: about people. I know you've been following the issue of
Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie and her eighty four year old mother. I
Speaker 1: don't like what I'm reading. I don't like the idea
Speaker 1: of blood. I don't like the idea what the police
Speaker 1: are saying, that this is likely an abduction and we're
Speaker 1: going to find out what happened eventually. I really I
Speaker 1: pray for her. I pray for a family, I pray
Speaker 1: for a mom, all of that, and I think you
Speaker 1: agree with me, right sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, elderly people in America are next to infants,
Speaker 2: our most vulnerable population. You know, these things like this
Speaker 2: are stunning, but it's hard to analyze it without any
Speaker 2: hard data. Looks to me and you as a crime.
Speaker 2: But we just have to be and that's not easy
Speaker 2: for most Americans.
Speaker 1: It's not, nor it should it be. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is tragic, especially because she has health issues, and that's
Speaker 1: concerning to everybody. Here's the only thing that frustrates me
Speaker 1: in all this bill. Do you have any idea in
Speaker 1: the month of January how many people were shot and
Speaker 1: shot and killed in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I did not do the data yet, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's more than a thousand, right, No, it's.
Speaker 1: About one hundred and thirty, about almost thirty dead. And
Speaker 1: that's the month of January of this year. And by
Speaker 1: the way, New York's not doing much better, and California
Speaker 1: is not doing much better. You know, Illinois is the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst. And the thing is is there's
Speaker 1: not one person listening to this program that can name
Speaker 1: one person that was shot or one person shot and killed. Now,
Speaker 1: I've been scrolling the people that have been arrested by Ice.
Speaker 1: The worst of the worst, murderers, rapist Kyle Molesters, drug dealers,
Speaker 1: known terrorists. I mean, they have done a phenomenal job.
Speaker 1: And there are two instances in controversy. I don't really
Speaker 1: think the Renee Good case is controversial because she accelerated
Speaker 1: the vehicle towards the law enforcement officer and he had
Speaker 1: internal bleeding. Put that one aside. And I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this and then I look. I hear the demonization, Nazi,
Speaker 1: Gestapo defund Democrats now are dying on that hill. And
Speaker 1: it's not that we should not give attention to Savannah
Speaker 1: Guthrie's mom. I want all the attention we can give
Speaker 1: this mother. And I hope and pray shee he is
Speaker 1: found healthy and okay. But you know, why is it
Speaker 1: all of these people die and you never hear a
Speaker 1: word from Democrats. Why is it all of these hardened
Speaker 1: criminals that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris allowed into this country
Speaker 1: are arrested and Ice doesn't get credit. You know, Explain
Speaker 1: to me how it is that Democrats only only speak
Speaker 1: out about their love of life when they can weaponize
Speaker 1: it and politicize it. That is the part that frustrates
Speaker 1: the living hell out of me. And maybe I need help,
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I need Bill O'Reilly's perspective on this to
Speaker 1: help set me straight as to why, Well, you certainly.
Speaker 2: Do need my help, and that's why I'm here every Wednesday.
Speaker 1: It's scary, but if I need your help, I'm dead.
Speaker 2: It's a bigger picture. So when you have a party
Speaker 2: the Democrats that are invested in selling a narrative to
Speaker 2: the American people in order to get votes to win
Speaker 2: the midterms, because that's what this is all about, they
Speaker 2: don't really care about the collateral damage. But this is
Speaker 2: a point and most vivid point I could make on
Speaker 2: that an of the radio program today in Minnesota of
Speaker 2: two people dead, but you don't have anybody dead in
Speaker 2: New Orleans, and you don't have anybody dead in Memphis,
Speaker 2: and you don't have anybody dead in DC because the
Speaker 2: local law enforcement cooperated with the federal government and Ice
Speaker 2: and Border Patrol agents. So the two that were killed
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, I put most of the blame on by
Speaker 2: the mayor and Walls, the governor. All they had to
Speaker 2: do was say to local law enforcement, state and the
Speaker 2: Minneapolis cops, you provide a parameter around the federal agents
Speaker 2: and don't let protesters get in their face. That is
Speaker 2: called public safety. That is what would happen in any
Speaker 2: kind of rational police strategy, and it's happening now in
Speaker 2: the cities that are not sanctuary cities. But if you
Speaker 2: abdicate there is no help coming from the state or
Speaker 2: the local cops, then people who are agitated can go
Speaker 2: two feet away from a federal agent and cause trouble.
Speaker 2: That's insane, and that's what led to the deaths of
Speaker 2: these two people.
Speaker 1: It's really chilling to me that we're in this environment
Speaker 1: where Democrats, now, this is their posture, defund dismantle, no bail,
Speaker 1: reimagine the police, defund ice and eliminate ice. They voted
Speaker 1: against the largest tax cut in American history, and by
Speaker 1: doing so, voted for the largest tax increase in a
Speaker 1: miner history. They are beholden to the climate alarmist cult.
Speaker 1: As Kamala famously said, it's the cost of democracy to
Speaker 1: pay higher gas prices. I think that should work against them.
Speaker 1: And on foreign policy, there's nothing that Donald Trump does
Speaker 1: that they appreciate or agree with. They just want to
Speaker 1: disagree with them for the sake of disagreeing. And to me,
Speaker 1: if that's the position they're staking out heading into this
Speaker 1: very important midterm election year. I think it's a very
Speaker 1: bad position for them to be in. Do you agree
Speaker 1: or disagree?
Speaker 2: I disagree a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's not allowed on the show. Goodbye Bill nice knowing you.
Speaker 2: That's right. The Democratic Party is running on emotion. They're
Speaker 2: not running on problem solving, practical success or any kind
Speaker 2: of objectivity about what works and what does a work.
Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent emotion. Now, all any voter
Speaker 2: would have to do would be look at the record
Speaker 2: of California Newsom and Illinois Pritzker and New York Hochel,
Speaker 2: and you see the catastrophic policies that have led to
Speaker 2: failure in those three states. There is no debate about it.
Speaker 2: There's no two sides of the story. The stats, and
Speaker 2: you brought them up earlier, on crime are horrifying. The
Speaker 2: stats on taxes are horrifying, Social order terrible. But what
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party does because they have, for the first
Speaker 2: time in history, by the way, this colossus media enabling
Speaker 2: the party. They're together, it's an alliance. They can get
Speaker 2: out a tremendous amount of emotional stuff to try to
Speaker 2: convince viewers and listeners and voters who are not rare
Speaker 2: verised on what's really happening to vote for them. That
Speaker 2: is the strategy in November. Demon eyed, demon eyed, demon eyes,
Speaker 2: And it could work.
Speaker 1: It definitely could work. I mean, and I think people
Speaker 1: that love Donald Trump, you know, many of them will
Speaker 1: only vote if he's on the ballot. And I think
Speaker 1: the best strategy for him is to put himself on
Speaker 1: the ballot. And I think people need to be very
Speaker 1: keenly aware that all the progress he has made the
Speaker 1: last year plus will stop and we will be in
Speaker 1: full investigative mode and full impeachment mode, because that is
Speaker 1: the predictable outcome if Democrats get back control of either
Speaker 1: or both the House and Senate.
Speaker 2: Well, the avision thing is is canarid because that'll never
Speaker 2: happen any two thirds to convict. And if they want
Speaker 2: to do another dog and pony show, I don't think
Speaker 2: that's going to be well received by the American people
Speaker 2: in general. The independent voter always tells a tale now
Speaker 2: in this country, but there are a lot of distractive
Speaker 2: independents that you really don't know what's going on. So
Speaker 2: Trump has a few advantages coming up, but it has
Speaker 2: to do with messaging. So when he has a success
Speaker 2: you've got to message it. Messenger it in the most
Speaker 2: vivid way possible. So tax thie funds. That's going to
Speaker 2: help Donald Trump because people are going to get a
Speaker 2: bigger check, and the Democrats voted against the bigger check.
Speaker 2: That's pretty simple. Gas prices can continue to fall, and
Speaker 2: everybody needs gasoline in their car. The utility thing is
Speaker 2: kind of murky, but just filling it up that's a
Speaker 2: big Trump advantage. Food. I always say to my audience,
Speaker 2: if you're smart, you're not going to get crushed. If
Speaker 2: you got to buy Porter House steak, you're going to
Speaker 2: get slammed up to you. But you can go.
Speaker 1: You could always buy skirt steak. Bill, I love skirt steak.
Speaker 2: Whatever it may be, you go, you select, you won't
Speaker 2: it crushed. If you buy smart, you can take an
Speaker 2: advantage of on leveled. Don't do it.
Speaker 1: By the way, I like ground beef. By the way,
Speaker 1: you know, chicken sometimes can be at a really good price.
Speaker 1: I mean I go grocery shopping every week. I bet
Speaker 1: you have people that do that for you.
Speaker 2: Right a minute, Hattie, I need a picture of you
Speaker 2: and Wind Dixie with the cart.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't go to Wind Dixie.
Speaker 2: I go to publics, publics, whatever it may be. We
Speaker 2: need the picture of you with the car.
Speaker 1: Well, why is this that people doubt this? Every single
Speaker 1: week when I go shopping, somebody will stop me and
Speaker 1: say what are you doing here? And I'm like buying food?
Speaker 1: What do you think I'm doing here? Well? Why is
Speaker 1: that a shock to people that I go grocery shopping?
Speaker 1: I eat meat and I eat eggs, and I like
Speaker 1: to pick my own meat. Why is that shocking to people?
Speaker 2: Listen? It is how is in a grocery store in
Speaker 2: Palm Beach, he how you live? And a lady comes
Speaker 2: up to me and I'm on the checkout line. She goes,
Speaker 2: you lost a lot of weights, and I said, no,
Speaker 2: a camera gives you ten pounds on TV. This is
Speaker 2: my playing weight is about one ninety five. And she goes, well,
Speaker 2: I don't like the way your jacket is tailored.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. No, I get the same question what
Speaker 1: are you doing here? And I look at people like that,
Speaker 1: That to me is the strangest question, because we all
Speaker 1: like to eat and I like to pick my own food.
Speaker 1: Do you go shopping every week or do you have
Speaker 1: people for that?
Speaker 2: I have I have some people, to be honest.
Speaker 1: No, no spins, mister O'Reilly.
Speaker 2: I go once. I go occasionally to get because I
Speaker 2: have certain things that I like. But I'm busy. You're busy.
Speaker 2: I mean people are good, right, we're feeding there?
Speaker 1: Well, occasionally I use instacart. Do you ever use instacart?
Speaker 2: What is that? Some kind of high jeck?
Speaker 1: Good grief? You don't know what instacart is? Do you
Speaker 1: know what uber eats is?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: And there are you listening to this? I mean, what
Speaker 1: century do you live in? For crying out loud? Good?
Speaker 1: I like Bill be nice to him. I am being
Speaker 1: nice to him, but I mean he was born like
Speaker 1: ten centuries before us if he doesn't know what instacart?
Speaker 1: And Bill don't want to talk to you like that.
Speaker 1: By the way, what are you gonna eat for the
Speaker 1: super Bowl? And who are you predicting is gonna win
Speaker 1: the super Bowl?
Speaker 2: All right, we're out of the grocery in super Bowl
Speaker 2: number one. I'm gonna be there number two.
Speaker 1: I know what. Everybody hates you for saying that. Just
Speaker 1: for the record, I've been to super bowls before. You
Speaker 1: know where the worst place to watch the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: is at the super.
Speaker 2: Bowl, but I may be a chaperoning bad Bunny.
Speaker 1: All right, did you hear bad Bunny at the Grammys
Speaker 1: for a week before I get praise to God, Let
Speaker 1: me first say ice out. Oh okay, great, great, great choice.
Speaker 2: But here's an interesting aside. And I know this to
Speaker 2: be true. The NFL has told his management no better
Speaker 2: or not, so.
Speaker 1: They can say it all they want, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's gonna be what it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I'm now you know what. By the way, who do
Speaker 1: you want to win? I want the Patriots to win
Speaker 1: because I like Robert Kraft personally. He's one of the
Speaker 1: most decent people you would ever meet in your life.
Speaker 2: Love him, very charitable man. I'm in Boston's my second home,
Speaker 2: so of course I want the Patriots to win. Here's
Speaker 2: the problem. Seattle is a better team.
Speaker 1: The Addle on paper is a better team. Concede the point.
Speaker 1: But that's why you play the game. I mean, I
Speaker 1: put you on every week. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: I'm in for, but I put you on anyway. I
Speaker 1: play the game.
Speaker 2: That's because it's fun and he's got very players.
Speaker 1: All right, mister O'Reilly We appreciate you all things simple man.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly at Bill Oreilly dot com. Sir, you have
Speaker 1: a great time at the super Bowl. Will check in
Speaker 1: with you next week see how it went.
Speaker 2: Okay, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and nine point one, Shawn our number if
Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the program. It
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking the story of Savannah Guthrie's mother, eighty four
Speaker 1: years old. He's not in the best of health. What
Speaker 1: we're hearing from law enforcement does not warm the heart.
Speaker 1: It scares me. The fact that she was abducted against
Speaker 1: her will out of her home in the dark of night,
Speaker 1: blood found at the scene. And now Harvey Levin at TMZ.
Speaker 1: I've known Harvey a long time. Harvey is a great guy.
Speaker 1: He's really someone you can trust and he would never
Speaker 1: report something unless it's it is true. I just know
Speaker 1: how he rolls, and this is what he said that
Speaker 1: TMZ received this well unverified ransom note. Also, a local
Speaker 1: station in Los Angeles received a similar note. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, the exact same note.
Speaker 4: We got something in our email that looks like a
Speaker 4: It's written like a ransom note for Savannah Guthrie's mother.
Speaker 3: Specific rly and there were very certain amounts of money.
Speaker 4: Very specifically, and also they say at the bottom there
Speaker 4: are certain things they're saying about what she was wearing
Speaker 4: and damage to the house, as.
Speaker 3: If saying to verify it's us, we know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 4: It so we are. We've contacted the Sheriff's department and
Speaker 4: we want to get them this letter. And we had
Speaker 4: a little trouble getting through to the right person. But
Speaker 4: the person we spoke with is now forwarding this to
Speaker 4: somebody in the detective bureau. So if my phone rings,
Speaker 4: I may have to stop.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting is, you know, there was just a
Speaker 3: news conference that just ended with the sheriff and he
Speaker 3: was asked about we're going to do this segment of
Speaker 3: a few minutes, but he was asked about a ransom
Speaker 3: note and he just said, we're following all leads.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is it's again, we don't know, we
Speaker 4: don't know if it's authentic or not. But when you
Speaker 4: read it, they're acting as if, yeah, only we would
Speaker 4: know these things, and we're serious, and there's a dollar
Speaker 4: demand and an or else in there. So we will
Speaker 4: let you know as this thing kind of develops.
Speaker 1: Now, if you think about it, if this was just
Speaker 1: a simple robbery, or if they wanted to bring harm
Speaker 1: to Savannah Guthrie's mom, why would this not have happened
Speaker 1: on the location. It has all the ear markings of
Speaker 1: some type of real ransom. It's chilling, it's frightening. It's
Speaker 1: what every American would fear. And obviously our thoughts and
Speaker 1: prayers are with the family I've met, say Savannah Guthrie,
Speaker 1: She's a lovely person, and I can't say that about
Speaker 1: everybody in the legacy media that I've met in my life.
Speaker 1: Trust me. Anyway, we welcome back to the program. He's
Speaker 1: a longtime friend, I think, the smartest person in terms
Speaker 1: of analysis of crime in the country, and I'm proud
Speaker 1: to call her a friend. And it's Nancy Grace's with
Speaker 1: us last night. You were so good on TV and
Speaker 1: so knowledgeable. I mean, you really seem to know every
Speaker 1: detail of this. Tell me what your gut is telling
Speaker 1: you where we are today?
Speaker 5: Number one, thank you for inviting me, Sean. And likewise,
Speaker 5: first of all, I know Savannah. I care about Savannah,
Speaker 5: and what you said is true. She's not just sweet
Speaker 5: and nice and genteel On air. She's that way in person,
Speaker 5: unlike a lot of people on the TV fake fake,
Speaker 5: fake fake, She's not.
Speaker 1: We know those same people.
Speaker 5: Therefore, I'm telling you that up front because I want
Speaker 5: to believe what I'm about to say, and that can
Speaker 5: cloud your judgment. I want to believe that Nancy Guffery,
Speaker 5: Savannah's mother, is alive. I don't want Savannah to put
Speaker 5: put be put through the pain that so many of
Speaker 5: the crime victims endure. So I'm looking at the facts
Speaker 5: in a certain way, and that is this. When I
Speaker 5: first heard that there was DNA and it had been
Speaker 5: matched to Nancy Guffrie, I immediately thought that it was
Speaker 5: blood because as an easily identifiable DNA source, you're not
Speaker 5: going to just suddenly see perspiration or you know, some
Speaker 5: other DNA matter. So I knew it was blood. They
Speaker 5: would only see if it find it interesting if it
Speaker 5: was a copious amount of blood, which would mean she's dead.
Speaker 5: You can only lose so much blood and you die,
Speaker 5: you bleed out. That was my first fear when I
Speaker 5: realized the DNA was blood. Then I thought, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: is the d is the blood in an unusual spot
Speaker 5: like streaks of it on the door or upon the ceiling,
Speaker 5: which is you know, throwback from a bludgeoning. Yeah, I thought,
Speaker 5: oh no, it's high velocity. It's high velocity, which means
Speaker 5: a gunshot. It's none of those things. From the blood
Speaker 5: that we have seen in the photos, which is a
Speaker 5: blood trail of sorts, not very long. It's leading from
Speaker 5: her door to the driveway, and it appears to be
Speaker 5: and this is very significant if this is all the
Speaker 5: blood there is, it appears to be low velocity drops,
Speaker 5: which to me looks like from for instance, a nose bleed.
Speaker 5: I see other blood around it which looks like it
Speaker 5: could have been aspirated. In other words, how can I
Speaker 5: say this in common terms, breathe out. So that's the
Speaker 5: pattern that I see in a lot of worlds that
Speaker 5: may not be good. In this scenario that is good.
Speaker 5: There's not a copious amount of blood, so that means
Speaker 5: to me, she could still be alive. We haven't found
Speaker 5: her body, that's the headline. Kada or dogs haven't found
Speaker 5: any thing that is. That's a bombshell right there. We
Speaker 5: have no indication she's dead. Statistically, yes, she might be dead.
Speaker 5: Statistically yes she's dead, But there are encouraging signs as well,
Speaker 5: and I'm reading the tea leaves because I want to
Speaker 5: read them this way. However, she is an elderly lady.
Speaker 5: She's eighty four, and she is on a lot of meds.
Speaker 5: You know, she's got a pacemaker. That tells me she
Speaker 5: has heart issues as well. She can only be offered
Speaker 5: meds so long, this is what we're learning. We're learning
Speaker 5: that that ransom note may have been sent to a
Speaker 5: third outlet. We know TMZ, we know, we know Cold
Speaker 5: Kold now possibly to k g u N K GUNN.
Speaker 5: What does that mean? That means it's an orchestrated event.
Speaker 5: They want a huge amount of money, millions in bitcoin. Now,
Speaker 5: who would do that? That's telling me a lot about
Speaker 5: an alleged purp that they would want the money in bitcoin. Now,
Speaker 5: a lot has been made about her of interest at
Speaker 5: this juncture. The share has come out and said there
Speaker 5: are no suspects, there is no POI. I want to
Speaker 5: believe them, but they always say that when they've got
Speaker 5: a POI. Right, Why because once your name to the suspect,
Speaker 5: constitutional protections shroud you. Until your name to the suspect,
Speaker 5: you know you don't have those constitutional protections. But at
Speaker 5: this juncture there is no suspect and there is no
Speaker 5: POI another thing I'm wondering about then, the ransom letters.
Speaker 5: They apparently have written what Nancy Duffery was wearing at
Speaker 5: the time of her abduction. Was it a PJS? She
Speaker 5: woked to that church event that's Saturday night. I'm curious
Speaker 5: to find out if she's still wearing her clothing she
Speaker 5: wore to the event, Sean, that tells me that she
Speaker 5: had not been home for long. She has a routine,
Speaker 5: she gets him bed at a certain time. She would
Speaker 5: have already put on a PJS. If she's wearing her
Speaker 5: street clothes, that means she was abducted almost immediately upon
Speaker 5: getting home, which means the part was watching her and
Speaker 5: knew her routine. If she has on her PAGs, then
Speaker 5: the ransom note will reveal that. And if that's accurate,
Speaker 5: then the ransom note is for real.
Speaker 1: And it's all scary to me. You know, I want
Speaker 1: people to know where your passion comes from, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to bring back bad memories in your life.
Speaker 1: But you were engaged and something tragic happened in your
Speaker 1: life and it resulted. I mean it changed your life
Speaker 1: on a dime. And this happens to victims of crime
Speaker 1: all the time. I just want you to remind people
Speaker 1: of what you live through so people understand exactly where
Speaker 1: this passion of yours has come from.
Speaker 5: Well, Sean, for you, I will do that. I typically
Speaker 5: did not like it, ill you.
Speaker 1: Don't have to. I mean, I care too much about
Speaker 1: you as a friend.
Speaker 5: Just gave I'm in the car actually all the way
Speaker 5: back from giving a Founder's Day speech at one of
Speaker 5: my alma mas, Mercer University in Macon. I graduated from
Speaker 5: there in Ny. You and I was in the middle
Speaker 5: of my speech and I had to give this story
Speaker 5: and about to tell and I've already broken down in tears.
Speaker 5: So you know I'm already a big batms.
Speaker 1: I cared too much about you as a person. I'll
Speaker 1: solve for you. I mean you were engaged.
Speaker 5: Yes, how was that?
Speaker 1: So the love of your life?
Speaker 5: A little college and I fell in love with a
Speaker 5: baseball player, Keith on baseball scholarship. He transferred to complete
Speaker 5: his geology degree, and that's what I transferred to Mercer.
Speaker 5: Shortly before our wedding, Keith was murdered. He was shot
Speaker 5: five times into faith the neck and the back. And
Speaker 5: I knew nothing about the justice system. I had never
Speaker 5: been in a courtroom. I never had any quote brushed
Speaker 5: with the law, nor my family. The first time I
Speaker 5: was ever in a courtroom was when I was a
Speaker 5: witness in his prosecution. And I'll never forget it, Sean,
Speaker 5: as long as I live. I now know why I
Speaker 5: was a witness. I didn't see what happened. I wasn't
Speaker 5: there when he was murdered, but I believe I was
Speaker 5: brought on to humanized Keith, since victims have no rights
Speaker 5: in a courtroom, to make him come alive for that journey.
Speaker 5: And I remember coming down off the witness stand, and
Speaker 5: it was high up by the judge in one of
Speaker 5: those elevated benches, and you'd take two steps and then
Speaker 5: a little square, and then you'd turn the other way
Speaker 5: and come down the rest of the steps and a
Speaker 5: lot by council table. And I looked down and I
Speaker 5: saw Keith's bloody shirt and I had not seen that.
Speaker 5: I'd never seen anything like that. I grew up in
Speaker 5: a very rural, sheltered childhood, and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5: And I kept walking and I passed the defendant's table, Sean,
Speaker 5: and I looked at the defendant and he looked me
Speaker 5: in the face of me looked down in his life.
Speaker 5: He couldn't look at me in the face. And I
Speaker 5: looked on either side and all the lawyers sitting around him,
Speaker 5: and they looked at me, and then they looked down too,
Speaker 5: they at their table. They wouldn't look at me. And
Speaker 5: I just kept going. And I remember it's so quiet,
Speaker 5: and I could hear my boots as I walked out
Speaker 5: of that place. And that was my first exposure to
Speaker 5: the criminal justice system. Everything was a blur. I hardly
Speaker 5: remember a lot of it, and I've actually lost chunks
Speaker 5: of memory. Before and after Keith Murder. I was in
Speaker 5: school to be an English Shakespeare with Professor, and I
Speaker 5: dropped out of school and thankfully Mercer University let me
Speaker 5: come back in later, no questions asked. But I wife
Speaker 5: and mother and Professor was not meant to be. I
Speaker 5: went back to law school to become a fellony prosecutor
Speaker 5: of violent crimes to help other victims. But the story
Speaker 5: didn't end there. That crime affected the rest of my life.
Speaker 5: It took me so long to get it together to
Speaker 5: ever attempt to remarry. That I didn't get pregnant until
Speaker 5: I was forty seven, sharps and I and my daughter,
Speaker 5: my little Lucy, almost died in childbirth. Sounds so old
Speaker 5: by the time I finally got pregnant. So it affected
Speaker 5: my life for the rest of my life. So I
Speaker 5: come to this spot in this car on this song call,
Speaker 5: and it's very personal to me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's one of the reasons I love you
Speaker 1: so much. And you know it's out of this horrible
Speaker 1: tragedy as a young woman. And by the way, it
Speaker 1: was nineteen years to even till you even considered getting
Speaker 1: married because it was so traumatizing and devastating. And here's
Speaker 1: you know, there is at the other side of this.
Speaker 1: You have done so much good in your life because
Speaker 1: of what you live through and help so many others
Speaker 1: as a result of all of this. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just is I sit here in awe of the person
Speaker 1: that you are, and it's so sad what shaped you
Speaker 1: into the person that you are and the tragedy that
Speaker 1: brought this out, and yet you have this infectious passion.
Speaker 1: You're the premier expert now in the country on cases
Speaker 1: like this. Stay right there. I don't want to push
Speaker 1: you anymore on this. I didn't even want to ask
Speaker 1: it if I knew. I know how emotional it is,
Speaker 1: and I know you as a person. We'll have more
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace on the other side. Eight hundred and
Speaker 1: nine to FOURT one Shawn number will continue