1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: The other egregious part here was the positioning of the 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,119 Speaker 1: center fielder. He was like a short fielder in softball. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: am Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo and Alana. We 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: have got a lot to talk about this week, and 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: not necessarily typical of what we would be talking about 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: in early April. We have a major contract to discussest. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: So much for not negotiating during this season. Vladimir Gerri 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: Junior with the Toronto Blue Jays. A massive payday for 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Vladi Junior, Ken, and a very interesting signing bonus. 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: Great to be with you. 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: What more can you tell us? 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Well? As I reported yesterday that signing bonus is three 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million dollars. Now he's not getting 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: it all at once. They're not writing a check and 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: saying here's flat, here's three twenty five. It's going to 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: be spread over the fourteen years of the deal, and 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: actually it starts this year. He gets twenty million within 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: thirty days of the contract being approved, but it will 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: be spread over the course of the deal, and then 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: there will be a certain percentage of the money he 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: gets will be in salary as well. And the purpose 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: of this, as I explained in that article, is twofold one. 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: It gets him a benefit on state income tax because 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 1: in Florida, where he lives, there is no state income 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: tax and he will not have to pay that on 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: the signing bonus. The other part of this, which is 28 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: also interesting, if there is a work stoppage after the 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: two twenty twenty six season, when the collective bargaining Agreement expires, 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: or if there is some situation like we had a 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: couple of years ago with the pandemic and games are canceled, 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: he gets paid regardless. So the signing bonus, when you 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: receive a signing bonus, it is not contingent on you 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: actually performing the job. It's a bonus. You're getting that money, 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: so he gets it either way. He gets a tax 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: break as well, and that's the reason why you saw 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: the deal come out the way it did and dissipate 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: that in the future, we're going to see similar deals 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: like this because that is such a benefit for the 40 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: player in a tax kind of situation. Remember Sodo got 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: a seventy five million dollars signing bonus and we all thought, WHOA, 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: that's amazing. This is three. 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: Twenty five Grede twenty five Ken. What is the benefit 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: to the Toronto Blue Jays twofold in this question? Because 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: I guess because they didn't get Sho Heeo Tani, they 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: didn't get one Soto in terms of those free agent sweepstakes, 47 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: they had to do something, and obviously they wanted to 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: lock up, you know, a kid that is now the 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: franchise player that has been and he's going to be 50 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: there the remainder of his career with no opt outs 51 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: in his contract. But what is the benefit here for 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: the Jays in terms of tax implications and those types 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: of things. 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: That I'm not sure about. And that's the one thing 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: that I couldn't address in the article because it's still 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: unclear to me if there is a benefit for the Jays, 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: and I imagine there is, Otherwise they might not have 58 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: done it. If it was just Vladimir Guerrero benefiting from this, 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: maybe they just could have said, Okay, if that's the 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: way you want to structure it, be our guest. But 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: I am guessing that there is some benefit to the Jays. 62 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: Now from the Jay's perspective. A lot of you mention this. 63 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: They could not afford to lose this guy. And picture 64 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: a world in which vlad Junior goes to free agency, 65 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Boba Schet goes to free agency. You get only draft 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: picks for those players, and you've got a weak farm system, 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: the seventh worst farm system in the game according to 68 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: the Athletics Keith Laws. So that would have been really problematic. 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: The real issue for the Jays is they should have 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: done this years ago. You could have saved them a 71 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: lot of money. They would have been in better position 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: to attract other talent. But this is the way it 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: turned out, and ultimately they paid a premium. 74 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: Now they have the fifth highest payroll in Baseball ken 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: and second above second in terms of luxury tax threshold. So, 76 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a huge amount of money. I mean, 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: this is not a contract to sneeze that. I mean 78 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: they do they have to win now. I mean, do 79 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: you build a on Vladimir Gerrero Junior when you're paying 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: that much money the fifth highest payroll in the game. 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: There are a couple of answers to this question. They 82 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: do have to win, perhaps even this season, to save 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: the jobs of their front office. Mark Shapiro is in 84 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: the last year of his contract. He's the team president 85 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: general manager. Ross Atkins has another year after this one. 86 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: He is obviously so closely tied to Shapiro, and there 87 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: is a feeling in the organization among some, as I 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: wrote today in my column, that hey, we got to 89 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: win now or else they might change the entire operation here. 90 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: So that's one element. But what you're asking is about 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: the team and long term, and yeah, they're going to 92 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: have to keep spending. When you have a weak farm system, 93 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: how do you keep a competitive team on the field. 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: You keep buying players until you have better players coming 95 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: from within. Now, the good news for the Jays is, 96 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: obviously we've seen that Rogers communications their owners are clearly 97 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: willing to spend. They've been on every major free agent 98 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, and beyond that, they've 99 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: got a lot of money coming off the books both 100 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: this year and after next year. So they'll be okay. 101 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: And the question now will be, okay, will you get 102 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: free agents in a more successful way than you have 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. They've had some struggles 104 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: with some of the elite guys and some of other 105 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: free agents as well. And when you have Guerrero as 106 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: your centerpiece, and you can tell players, listen, we're in 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: this to win. We've signed Vladimir Guerrero Junior for five 108 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: hundred million that, in their minds, hopefully will open things 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: up a little more. This is not a team, I've 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: said this repeatedly that has a struggle to attract free 111 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: agents in the past. The reason that they've had trouble 112 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, in my opinion and 113 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: in the opinion of a lot of people in the industry, 114 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: is that they have not been a very good team. 115 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of uncertainty around the front office, 116 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: around the composition of the roster, and players have just said, WHOA, 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about that place. It's not Toronto, 118 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: it's not Canada. It's the way the team has been run. 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: Ken, is this an overpay? I will never fault a 120 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: player for getting as much as he possibly can, and 121 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: never fault a player for going to free agency if 122 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: he chooses to do so. But Vladimir Guerrero Junior a 123 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: first baseman, is this an overpay? 124 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: Well, certainly by the standards of recent first base contracts. Absolutely. 125 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: Matt Olsen was one p eighty. Freddie Freeman was one 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: sixty two with a lot of it deferred. Paul Goldschmidt 127 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: was one point thirty. We have not seen first baseman 128 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: get paid in recent years. Now, this was an unusual circumstance. 129 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: This was a franchise player who was born in Canada, 130 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: who was a homegrown blue Jay, and a guy that 131 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: was the face of their franchise. Not that those other 132 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: players weren't at least Freeman certainly wasn't Atlanta, but it 133 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: was a little bit different. And yeah, things changed also 134 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: when Juan Soto signed his deal. So for a first baseman, 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: generally speaking, this will be considered in overpay. Yes, But 136 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: as we've seen with these contracts, and I've been guilty 137 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: of it myself, sometimes you'll say, oh man, that is ridiculous. 138 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Fernando Tatist junior, good example, three hundred and forty million, 139 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: Oh man, how can they do that? Well, that deal 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: now looks pretty good. He's a superstar. They've got him, 141 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: and the rate is not that excessive compared to some 142 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: of the contracts that have followed. So certainly by today's standards, 143 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot of yes, it's an overpay. Will it long 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: term be an overpay? Probably? And probably the latter years, 145 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: as always will be a problem. But the Jays had 146 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: to pay it right now. 147 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they could have gotten for maybe half a couple 148 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: of years ago, who knows. All Right, much more to 149 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: come here on Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthal. First, a 150 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: bit of a quick word from our friends over at 151 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: foul Territory. 152 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: AJ. 153 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: It is time for people to get some new clubs, 154 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: and to do that they need to go to their 155 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: local PXG for a fitting, right, no doubt. 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 4: I was there today, I've been there before. Last time 157 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: I was there, they gave me this kill gap. You 158 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: look at that sweet spot, Scott, it is worn out. 159 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: That is right in the sweet spot right there. So 160 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: I went and got new clubs today, new irons. But 161 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: more importantly, I got this bad boy. I got me 162 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: a new putter. This is my old putter. It's on order. Yes, 163 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter. Now I'm going 164 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: to the Allen putter. They talked me into it because 165 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: I was draining some putts today. Bob the guy who 166 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: helped me out, He helped me with my irons. He 167 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: got them ted up perfectly. But then we went to 168 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: the putt and Green I was draining them putts, because 169 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: that's the most important part of golf. 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: PXG fittings are fun. Schedule you're fitting today as you 171 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: can hear from AJ for a limited time, you could 172 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: save up to twenty percent on your entire order. Head 173 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: over to PXG dot com slash foul. That's PXG dot 174 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: com slash foul to save up to twenty percent on 175 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: your entire order. PXG dot com slash foul. Restrictions apply 176 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 3: see site for details. 177 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: All right, thanks for PXG for being a part of 178 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: the show. N let me ask you this. With the 179 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays doing this signing obviously with Vladimir Geruro Junior, 180 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: you look at the remainder of the teams in the 181 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: American League East, and I want to talk about your 182 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: former club, your first club, the Baltimore Orioles, in particular, 183 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: Corbyn Burns is no longer there, obviously, but Michael Lias 184 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: really didn't make a ton of corresponding moves in the 185 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: off season to kind of solidify a rotation or really 186 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: you know, boost up that team. What is your take 187 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: on the lack of response from Baltimore. 188 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting a lot I wrote about this this week, 189 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: the Oriols were in Arizona and I was at the 190 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: ballpark and it was a situation where the reporters from 191 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: the team, the guys who cover the Oriols, approached Burns 192 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: and they asked him about the deal, and he said, yes, 193 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the Ools offered me a four year deal, but it 194 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: was short. I wanted more years. And then it came 195 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: out that the deal, the actual contract offer, was four years, 196 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty million. Now that's a solid offer. 197 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: It's a really good offer. In fact, it would have 198 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: been the highest AAV average annual value forty five million 199 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: for a picture not named Sho Heo Tani. Incredible. At 200 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: the same time, Corbyn Burns was the healthiest starter to 201 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: hit free agency since Garrett Cole and he wasn't ever 202 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: going to take four years. So while the Oriols, as 203 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: I wrote, had nothing to be embarrassed about, the idea was, well, 204 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: if you're not going to have Corbin Burns, then what 205 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: are you going to do? And their counter ultimately was 206 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: signing Charlie Morton forty one years old and Tomooki Sugano 207 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: thirty five years old, a great pitcher in Japan but 208 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: had never pitched here, so that never looked like it 209 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: was going to be enough, and a lot of people 210 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: question that. Now what they did was they countered by 211 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: building up some depth, and they brought in a number 212 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: of people, or they had people in place, then they 213 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: signed Kyle Gibson. They thought they would be okay, Bratish 214 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: is coming back from Tommy John surgery, as well as 215 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: Tyler Wells in the second half. But they've had injuries, 216 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Efflin being the latest one. And as we've seen, Charlie 217 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: Morton has struggled out of the gate, it's only a 218 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: few starts. Dean Kramer has struggled out of the eight, 219 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: only a few starts, and now without Efflin for at 220 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: least ten days, where is this going. Grayson Rodriguez is 221 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: hurt again. So here's this team with this amazing young 222 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: core of position talent, and they might need to do 223 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: more at the deadline just to stay afloat here in 224 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: the Al East, which is one of the game's toughest divisions. 225 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: Kin I wonder if they're even going to be in 226 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: the picture at the deadline if it continues to go 227 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: this way. I mean in terms of they may be 228 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: sellers again at the deadline instead of adding pieces to 229 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: compete the second half of the season. Speaking of competing, 230 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: what is your take on what's happening with the Houston 231 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: Astros trading Rafael Monto to stay under the luxury tax. 232 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: But they just haven't looked good. I don't know that 233 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: they would have thought that the impact was going to 234 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 2: be as great as it was with the loss of 235 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: both Kyle Tucker and Alex Bregman. But the Astros do 236 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: not look good at this moment. 237 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: Wasn't it funny that we saw the two players of 238 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: the Week last year last week? We're both former members 239 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: of the Houston Astros. The two guys just mentioned Kyle 240 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: Tucker and Alex Bregman. Clearly they are in transition, and 241 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Presley also has gone Their bullpen gave it up 242 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: yesterday though it had been pretty good to that point. 243 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: I am never going to count out this team again 244 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: after last year when they were seven and nineteen, and 245 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: I was among others who raised the point maybe this 246 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: is the end of the Astros, And of course they 247 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: roared back to win the division yet again, but at 248 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: the same time, there were issues here and offensively they 249 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: are not the same team quite Obviously Cam Smith has 250 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: had a better last couple of days, and maybe he's 251 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: going to be the player they envision. They're not throwing 252 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: out runners from behind the plate. I think opponents are 253 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: seventeen of eighteen against them on attempted stolen bases. That's 254 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: on the pitchers too, But there are a number of 255 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: different issues that they're facing, the offense being perhaps the 256 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: foremost among them. So again, this is a good team. 257 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: They're in a division where it's going to be very 258 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: competitive with the Rangers for sure, or maybe the Mariners 259 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: if they ever hit, and they were having their injury 260 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: issues as well. I just don't want to say at 261 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: this point in the season I'm worried about the Astros. 262 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm not worried yet. I am interested to see how 263 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: they evolve over the course of the season with this 264 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: new mix. 265 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah seven nineteen last year with the Stars and Presley, 266 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting to see what they do to 267 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: make up the lack of production offensively. Of course that 268 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: went away with Kyle Tucker and Alex Bregman, and you know, 269 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: we'll see what happens with the Astros again. To your point, though, 270 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: I will never ever count that team out. Don't forget 271 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: guys to get your questions in for Grill and Ken 272 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: as you get an opportunity to ask Ken Rosenthal some questions. 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: In fact, let's get to it. 274 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 3: All right, Ken. 275 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: The first question is in regards to the c b 276 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: A and this is a super chat. Thank you Daniel 277 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: Rothenberg for that. The owners want a cup, of course 278 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: they have for a long time. What are the players 279 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: hoping for after twenty twenty six, we'll playing in minor 280 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: league stadiums, be part of the CBA. 281 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Well, what the players are hoping for is the current 282 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: system to remain intact but tweaked to force some of 283 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: the smaller market teams that are not spending to spend. 284 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: And you might suggest, well, how about a salary floor. 285 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: There will never be a salary floor without a salary cap. However, 286 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: as I've said, we have at the top of the 287 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: pay structure a soft salary cap. It's the luxury tax system. 288 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: You exceed certain amounts of payroll and you are penalized 289 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: in some fashion, either money, draft, picks, combination, whatever. Why 290 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: not put at the bottom of the pay structure a 291 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: similar mechanism. It makes perfect sense. You can justify it 292 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: because you already have the one at the top, and 293 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: the owners could not argue, well, we're not doing a 294 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: salary floor. No, you already have a soft ca app 295 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: at the top. So the players would want something along 296 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: those lines. Tweaks in other areas as well. The players 297 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: want teams to compete to their fullest and spend as 298 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: much money as possible. And yes, they want a free 299 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: market system. It has worked very well for them. Where 300 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: this is going, I don't know will minor league stadiums 301 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: be part of it. I don't know that that could 302 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: be legislated in or if the players would even try to, 303 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: But it's a fair question based on what is going 304 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: on this season. We have one team, the Oakland Athletics 305 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: formerly the Oakland Athletics, playing in West Sacramento because they're 306 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: waiting to get a ballpark built, and the other team, 307 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: the Tampa bay Rays. It's simply the product of a 308 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: natural disaster or hurricane blowing the roof off of their ballpark, 309 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Tropicana Field. I don't know that that will be a 310 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: big part of the CBA or even get a mention, 311 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: But the money that's always what drives this. 312 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: Always drives everything, all right, Rob Wick says this question 313 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: for you, Ken, is Brandon Hyde managing for his job? 314 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Could Buck Britain replace him? 315 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: I don't believe that Hyde's going to be in trouble 316 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: this year because one, we just talked about the general manager, Michaelias, 317 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: not giving him a rotation that has been good enough. Two, 318 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that this team is the kind of 319 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: team that is going to benefit from managerial change. Hi. 320 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: It has been through thick and thin with this group, 321 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: and no one's questioned him before. Now. They're playing below 322 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: expectations to this point in the young season, but that's 323 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: due to injuries. It's due to a lack of off season 324 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: restructuring that maybe necessary. So I don't know that he'll 325 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: be in trouble, But the mere fact that a fan 326 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: is asking that question kind of tells you where they're at. 327 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brendan McCormick is the next question here on Girl 328 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: and Ken. Do the Jays go after Bashett next? Does 329 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: he want a Domis type of money? 330 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure Bobashett, if he has a big year, will 331 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: want big money, and a Domas money would probably be 332 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: in his range or in his thought process. The Jays 333 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: have said they're interested in doing Bashett next. Ross Atkins, 334 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: their general managers, just said that yesterday. We have interest 335 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: in doing something. Bashett has said, I want to be 336 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: part of a place for a long time. I want 337 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 1: to win and establish a winning culture. With Vladimir Guerrero Junior, 338 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: those are nice words, but as we've seen over the years, 339 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: as we saw even with Guerrero, until the money is 340 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: on the table and until a serious offer is made, 341 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: it's just words. So I don't know where the Jays 342 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: go from here with that particular aspect. They could move 343 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Andres Jimenez to short next year he's played second for 344 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: a couple of years, and then a Platinum Glove winner 345 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: there and then figure out second base if they lose Bishett. 346 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be something if they signed both these 347 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: under thirty superstars to long term deals and then built 348 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: around them. That would be kind of an appealing thing. 349 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: I would think. 350 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: It certainly doesn't seem that they're going to do anything quickly, 351 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: if the Vladimir Guerrero Junior situation has anything to say 352 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: about that. All right, So here's a Rocky's question for you, 353 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal. We don't get a lot of Rockies questions 354 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: on Grill and Ken for obvious reasons, But why Mike 355 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: wants to know, is Bud Black on the hot seat? 356 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: You addressed it with Brandon Hyde. Is Bud Black next? 357 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Bud Black is going year to year, he has been 358 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: for a while now. He's in his upper sixties, and 359 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: this team obviously is going nowhere. They got crushed yesterday 360 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: by Milwaukee. They are who they are again, and as usual, 361 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: it's not simply the manager's fault, because roster construction plays 362 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: a major role in how a team performs. At the 363 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: same time, what the Rockies need to ask themselves is 364 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: is it time, as we get to a younger phase 365 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: of our evolution, our competitive window, playing younger players, to 366 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: have a younger manager, a guy who maybe has been 367 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: with these players before. The third base coach Schaefer is 368 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: someone who would fit that. And I don't know that 369 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: they would do anything mid season. There is a ton 370 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: of respect, and rightly so, for Bud Black in that organization. 371 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Everybody in the game loves Bud Black. He's not someone 372 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: that you just want to embarrass or do something along 373 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: those lines ever too. But at the end of the 374 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: season they're going to have to take a hard look, 375 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: and if they want to do it at mid season, fine. 376 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's going to change anything, but 377 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: I would expect at the end of the year at 378 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: the very least, they're going to reassess the situation again. 379 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bud Black is a heck of a baseball man. 380 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: He's said everything he possibly can with the roster that 381 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: has been given to him. All right, last question for you, Ken, 382 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: Should the o's call Lance Lynn? 383 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: Of course? 384 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: Friend of the program? Lance Lynn has officially retired, According 385 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: to Lance Lynn on his wife's podcast, Should the O's 386 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: come a colin? 387 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: I like the way that questioned his phrase? Should they 388 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: tell upcoming FT guests Lanceln? He's on the show today. 389 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: I don't know that lance Lynn is going to be 390 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: enough of an answer for them right now. And they've 391 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: got Kyle Gibson coming. They signed him and he was 392 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: kind of in the same boat as Lynn, a late 393 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: signee to I add another one. I don't know that 394 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: they would want to do that. They do have players 395 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: coming back. I don't know what the status of Roderriguez 396 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: is right now. They know Bratish and Wells are coming back. 397 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: Some of their other injured pitchers Trevor Rodgers, Chance McDermott, 398 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: they'll be back as well. So what they thought initially 399 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: is we're gonna have a lot of guys. That's our strength. 400 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: I still believe that that is their position, and they 401 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: still think that, yeah, we'll be okay that way. It's 402 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: not something that lance Lynn would solve. What they need 403 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: is Sandy al Contra. That's what they need, a top 404 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: of the rotation guy so everyone else could slide down. 405 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: I like the way that you said Contra. I'm proud 406 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: of you, Ken Spanish, the Spanish pronunciation on point. 407 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,239 Speaker 4: All right. 408 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: Much more to come here on Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthal, 409 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: but quick word from our friends over on Foul Tour Territory. 410 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 3: Regarding Harry's ft FAM. You gotta check out what Harry's 411 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: brings to the table. 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He actually did it while taping a 437 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: broadcast for Netflix or a show for Netflix, and he 438 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: revealed that he attempted suicide during the twenty twenty two season, 439 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: he went into detail about it. And the reason this 440 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: is meaningful, obviously, is because Duran, by speaking out and 441 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: explaining what was going on, is hoping to save other people. 442 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: He's hoping that other people watch him see how he 443 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: came out of it and kind of just say, Okay, 444 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: he did it, maybe I can do it. And obviously 445 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: mental health is a really complicated thing. It's so difficult 446 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: for so many people. But his hope is to be 447 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: an inspiration. And his manager, Alex Cora again said, you 448 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: know what, for what he did, this guy should be 449 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: a nominee for the Roberto Clemente Award. And I'm not 450 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: so sure he's wrong about that, simply for stepping forward 451 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: and being willing to bear his soul and what he 452 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: was going through in his darkest moments. 453 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: I am so grateful that that suicide attempt failed for 454 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: Jared Duran. I am so grateful that he is here. 455 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: And I don't even care that he's a baseball player. 456 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: He's a human being and he's important and his life matters, 457 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: and what he's doing is so incredible. And I have 458 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: to tell you that because of what he did ken 459 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: the Samaritan Hotline, which is the Suicide Prevention Crisis Hotline 460 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: had received I think three times the amount of calls 461 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 2: then normal. And I'm not saying it's just because of 462 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: Jared Duran, but he certainly had something to do with that. 463 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: So if you are experiencing mental health, you were somebody 464 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: that you know needs help, there's help out there for you. 465 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: And you know, Jared Duran was given advice for anyone 466 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: going through tough times. He said, ask for help. I 467 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: know it's not easy. I never wanted to ask anyone 468 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: for help because I felt like I was a bother 469 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: to them. But it's never going to be a bothered 470 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: to them to ask for help. The Massachusetts Behavioral Health 471 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: Helpline in terms of Boston based is eight three three 472 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: seven seven three twenty four forty five. But there is 473 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: help all over the place. I mean, you can text 474 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: four to three nine dash seven two six. Obviously that's 475 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: the Samaritans Hoope dot org site, and the National Suicide 476 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: Prevention Hotline is very easy to remember. It's available by 477 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: calling nine eight eight. So again, congratulations to Darren for 478 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: just speaking up. And it's hard to do. As you said, 479 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: it's a very complex issue, but I'm proud of you, 480 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: and we're happy that you're here. Mine is silly compared 481 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: to that. But I just wanted to give a shout 482 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: out to Kenley Jansen, who has achieved career save number 483 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty. Kenley as often in the conversation 484 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: of whether or not he is a Hall of Famer, 485 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: but I'm just proud of him. I mean, Kenley's been 486 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: through a lot. He lost his mom a couple of 487 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: weeks ago, He's been pitching for several different organizations. Remember 488 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: he started his career as a catcher, ken so he 489 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: caught Clayton Kershaw's first as a Dodger and he's on 490 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: the up there on the all time saves lift. So 491 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: congratulations to my friend Kenley. 492 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: Proud of you. 493 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: All right. 494 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: Time now for the John Fisher dork of the week. 495 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: All right, ken who do you have this week? 496 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: You know what, Alana, I have to say. The Pittsburgh 497 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: Pirates this week had a week that I don't know 498 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: that John Fisher has even matched with the A's. It 499 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: was one embarrassment after another, and we're not even talking 500 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: about what was going on on the field where they 501 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: are again off to a week's start. The Roberto Clemente 502 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: sign that was in right field taken down for an AD. 503 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: They had to apologize for that restore it. Then it 504 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: was revealed by a television station in Pittsburgh that the 505 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: commemorative bricks that people had paid for, they had lifted 506 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: up some of them from wear and tear and basically 507 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: taken them to a recycling place and the bricks were 508 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: just kind of being ready to be recycled. They're gonna 509 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: take care of that too, and they apologized and are 510 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: going to figure out that problem. But how do these 511 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: things even happen? I don't know, perhaps, management, what are 512 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: you thinking when you take down a sign for Roberto 513 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Clemente and replace it with an AD. Isn't there someone 514 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: who said, hey, what about Roberto? When you're picking up 515 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: the bricks that people had paid for for the Roberto 516 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: Clemente Foundation, by the way, to benefit that and you're 517 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: just taking them away, don't you contact those people? Don't 518 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: just say hey, we're gonna fix this, but this is 519 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: what we're doing now for construction purposes. Yes, that's what 520 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: you do. They didn't do either of these things. They're 521 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: a hot mess and they're the dorks of the week. 522 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, They're a hot mess. 523 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: Oh I love that. 524 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: Yes, they are a hot mess, one misstep after another. 525 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: All right, my dork of the weekend, AJ Krats and 526 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: are Aj Karratz, Aj Prizinski and Eric Krats don't agree 527 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 2: with me on this, but I'm going to go with 528 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: the Marlins for playing the infield in bases loaded situation 529 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: with Pete Alonzo at the plate. I don't know what 530 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: the hell the Marlins are doing and ended up being 531 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: that Pete Alonzo cleared the basis. 532 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: So what are you? 533 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: What are you doing? Why is Clayton McCullough bringing in 534 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: the infield? And the s n Y broadcast went bananas. 535 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 2: Obviously a benefit of the New York Mets, but they 536 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: were like, this is just elemental stuff. You don't bring 537 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: in the infield in a basis loaded situation when you 538 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: have a slugger at the plate. I was watching that 539 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: game the other day, kid and the Corsess, and why 540 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: was going crazy about it? What is your take on this? 541 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: Because Aj and Eric don't necessarily agree with me, but 542 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't understand the defensive alignment here. 543 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: There's one out, You've got a chance for an inning 544 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: ending double play, and I believe they intentionally walked the 545 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: batter before to set that up. So Gary Cohen's point was, 546 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: why are you doing that to set up the double 547 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: play and then not playing for the double play? All right? 548 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: The other egregious part here was the positioning of the 549 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: center fielder. He was like a short fielder in softball. Naturally, 550 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: when Alonzo crushed the ball the left center it went 551 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: way over his head. So I'm with you, Alana, their 552 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: Dorks of the Week. I heard what Aj and Eric said, 553 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: and I understand their point. And actually Eric was saying, 554 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: Alonso runs hard to first is beating out a few 555 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: double play balls already this year. But I'm sorry that 556 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: to me was not the right percentage play, which was 557 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: the argument AJ and Eric were making. 558 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 2: Right, Marlins are going to Marlon Ken, all right? Always 559 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: good to be with you on Thursday. 560 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: Don't forget. 561 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: Ken has a brand new, fresh episode of Fair Territory 562 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: on Monday. We are leading into Foul Territory right after this, 563 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: and yes, Lancelyn will be on the show. 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Gambling problem or concern 573 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: called one eight hundred gamblering again. Foul Territory is next, everybody, 574 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: Scott Braun, aj Przinski, Eric Kratz recently retired, maybe not, 575 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: maybe he goes to the O's LANCELN is going to 576 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: be on the show The Athletic Sam Blum. Philly Show 577 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: host Jim Salisbury also stops by, and then Dodger Territory 578 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: is after that. Eric carros will join myself and Clint 579 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: to see it. So for Ken Rosenthal, I'm Alana Rizzo. 580 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.