WEBVTT - #826 Packers Unscripted: Back at it

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike Spuffer, joined as always by my trusted

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<v Speaker 1>colleague Wes Hodkoitz. Coming to you here from our studios

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<v Speaker 1>at lambeau Field. Back on the air West Packers Unscripted

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<v Speaker 1>as back, and this is a somewhat historic episode of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will let you explain what I mean by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. First and foremost, big thank you to our producer

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<v Speaker 2>behind the cameras here, Craig Schilbauer, our noble leader who

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<v Speaker 2>is stepping in because Matt Arvin effectually known as Arvin Marvin,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say mo name right. Matt was with us

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<v Speaker 2>for the first nine seasons of Packers Unscripted in some

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form. Obviously, Zach Budd did a tremendous job

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<v Speaker 2>this past year as our producer as well. Matt moved

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<v Speaker 2>on to a new phase of his life, going back

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<v Speaker 2>home to Michigan. We miss him dearly here at lambeau Field.

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<v Speaker 2>We press on without him, but Michael, you and I

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<v Speaker 2>ten seasons now of Packers on SCRIPTA going in. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not with Marv, but he is with us in spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>He absolutely is. And we'll have to get his critique

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<v Speaker 1>of his boss. Craig's a first producer run at our

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<v Speaker 1>fancy little show here. But boy, we have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, a lot of ground to cover because

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<v Speaker 1>we did take a bit longer break than we normally do.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we dive into everything that's been going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the off season here, I just have to get

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts because it really was a to this point,

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<v Speaker 1>once in a lifetime and hopefully not much more than

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<v Speaker 1>a once in a generation type of thing. But green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay hosting the NFL Draft. All I'll say to start

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<v Speaker 1>off is that I think everything about it exceeded the

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<v Speaker 1>expectations that anyone could have had. It was absolutely tremendous.

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<v Speaker 1>It was phenomenal in every respect, not only for the

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<v Speaker 1>local team, but for the entire production. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>call it now the NFL's traveling road show. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that really is what the NFL Draft is. And I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the city of Green Bay, the fans, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in this organization outside this organization that was involved in

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<v Speaker 1>it absolutely hit it out of the park.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, you and I could fill an entire episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Packers unscripted. Just giving kudos to the men and women

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<v Speaker 2>of this organization, discover Green Bay, everybody in the community

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<v Speaker 2>that made this thing happen. In my wildest dreams, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I could have envisioned a scenario in

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<v Speaker 2>which the NFL Draft would have been any better than

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<v Speaker 2>what we had in Green Bay. Certainly, there were the

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<v Speaker 2>theatrics on the stage. Two Packer players end up walking,

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<v Speaker 2>two future Packers end up walking across that stage and

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<v Speaker 2>embracing Roger Goodell. But the alumni that were involved, just

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of people, six hundred thousand people over the

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<v Speaker 2>three days, blowing the roof off of what the expectations

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<v Speaker 2>were in terms of how many folks were going to

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<v Speaker 2>be coming out here. I was chatting with people. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>never forget this. On Thursday afternoon, I was eating my

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<v Speaker 2>lunch inside a little common you know, promenade area, our

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<v Speaker 2>little commissary if you will, okay, and people were coming

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<v Speaker 2>up to me saying, Mandy, do you think folks will

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<v Speaker 2>show up? Like? What is this going to be like?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it going to look empty? Because you have the

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<v Speaker 2>title town, the lambeau Field, the Rest Center campus, And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember within hours of looking out at that same

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<v Speaker 2>area as that sea of people is out there in

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<v Speaker 2>the draft theater and in the general missionary behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not have thought of a better experience. My

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<v Speaker 2>son was able to come down and check it out

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. So many tremendous people involved in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't want to jinx it over the three days,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember talking with our VP of security, Doug Collins,

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<v Speaker 2>a huge credit to him and his staff for everything

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<v Speaker 2>they did, and telling him I'm like, I could not

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<v Speaker 2>have envisioned this going off any better than it did,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we will see it here on someday.

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<v Speaker 1>That shot, the panoramic overhead type shot, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>of the stage, the crowd on the Lambeufield Grounds, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're shooting it with the stadium in the background or

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<v Speaker 1>with the stage as the background, whichever angle that shot

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<v Speaker 1>is going to, that picture will go down as an

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<v Speaker 1>iconic image in the history of this city and in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the state, quite frankly, the entire state

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<v Speaker 1>of Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was absolutely tremendous. But we have so much Packers

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<v Speaker 1>football to talk about. There is so much that has

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<v Speaker 1>happened since we last signed off free agency the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I want to do. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>the this is the best way to break it down here,

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<v Speaker 1>the boss get it to try to get it into

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<v Speaker 1>one show here, and then we'll see where our shows

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the spring go from there. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at what happened with the Packers in free

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<v Speaker 1>agency and in the draft combined, for me, it breaks

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<v Speaker 1>down down into four position groups looking extremely different compared

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<v Speaker 1>to where the Packers were at the end of last season.

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<v Speaker 1>Two positions on offense, two positions on defense. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start on the offensive side because to me,

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<v Speaker 1>those two positions are wide receiver and offensive line. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>let you choose which one you want to go with first,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think those are the two position groups on

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive side of the ball that are undergoing the

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<v Speaker 1>most transition here as the Packers go from twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four into twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five one thousand percent, And realistically, when you look at quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>running back, tight end, it's pretty much the same outlook

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<v Speaker 2>at all those positions. So it's sort of this dichotomy

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<v Speaker 2>between some pretty draft drastic shifts and pretty much business

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<v Speaker 2>as usual. Packers at the time in which we're taping

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<v Speaker 2>this haven't even added another quarterback to that room since

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the season, So be that as it may.

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<v Speaker 2>I will take over with the offensive line here. And

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<v Speaker 2>the main reason I'll do that is I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>this was the first Domino that really fit well with

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers offseason in how the thing's set up for them.

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<v Speaker 2>In the draft, ye, Aaron Banks is signed. He's brought

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<v Speaker 2>in left guard from the San Francisco forty nine ers,

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<v Speaker 2>big bruising, mauling type guard. That shift though, ends up

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<v Speaker 2>moving Elton Jenkins to center as Josh Myers now goes

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<v Speaker 2>and signs with the New York Jets. So a huge

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<v Speaker 2>seismic change that I remember being. We were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this at the NFL owners meetings and there were some

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<v Speaker 2>rumblings about could Elton be moving to center? And Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Goudikuntz and Matt Lafour both said when we were down

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<v Speaker 2>at West Palm Beach, they feel like he can be

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<v Speaker 2>an all pro there and he's been a two time

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Bowl left guard, a selfless guy, a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>has done everything the Packers have asked of him throughout

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<v Speaker 2>these first six years that he's been in Green Bay. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now he's going to make this move back to center,

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<v Speaker 2>where he was an All SEC type player there at

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<v Speaker 2>Mississippi State before he got drafted by the Packers in

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<v Speaker 2>the second round. Then you have Aaron Banks, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm thinking in my head about what this interior

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<v Speaker 2>line could look like because it is you know, Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan or Jordan Morgan are now Anthony Belton who was

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<v Speaker 2>added the Packers' interior. That line is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>about as big as I can ever recall height and

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<v Speaker 2>mass wise. I mean, these are big, big dudes that

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna be clogging up the middle of that area

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to, you know, create some space there for

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Shacobs. So deeper, stronger, and more athletic. I think

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of the overall feel of this group now

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<v Speaker 2>that Belton's been added in the second round and the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers got really fortunate last year, Michael and that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a huge injury on the offensive line up

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<v Speaker 2>until Elton in the playoffs in that game against Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>Other than just Jordan Morgan's shoulder issues, most of that

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<v Speaker 2>line started together all season. Other than I think Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Myers missed one game with a wrist, so you can't

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<v Speaker 2>always count on that so whether it's the competition that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to push that group forward for the starting five

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<v Speaker 2>in training camp or the guys who might step up

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody does go down, I think Brian Goodikutz has

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<v Speaker 2>done a really good job of fortifying that group and

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<v Speaker 2>giving Matt Lefluor and that coaching staff a lot of options.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll have to see. A second round pick

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<v Speaker 1>was invested in Anthony Belton, as you mentioned, massive three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty five pound offensive tackle from NC State.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see probably when we get to OTAs where exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers are going to begin his NFL journey and

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<v Speaker 1>where he'll be competing to crack the lineup, whether that

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<v Speaker 1>be at tackle or guard. They feel really good about

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<v Speaker 1>his ability to play tackle or guard on either side

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<v Speaker 1>of the line of scrimmage. The other piece of offensive

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<v Speaker 1>line news that we got this offseason is both Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Gudukunst and Matt Lefuur have mentioned that Jordan Morgan, last

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<v Speaker 1>year's first round draft pick whose rookie season unfortunately was

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<v Speaker 1>cut short by the shoulder injury which required surgery, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's been in the recovery process there by all accounts

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<v Speaker 1>going well, but he not only will be competing with

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Ryan at right guard, which is where he started,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where he began his NFL journey last year

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<v Speaker 1>as that rookie first round pick, but he's also going

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<v Speaker 1>to be competing with Rashid Walker at left tackle. So

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<v Speaker 1>Rashid Walker entering a contract year, he'll be a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>year player this year, a previous seventh round pick who

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<v Speaker 1>has stepped in at left tackle and done a yeoman's job,

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<v Speaker 1>as they say, with not only in the run game,

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<v Speaker 1>but protecting Jordan Love's blindside. But now last year's first

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<v Speaker 1>round pick is going to be competing with Walker at

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle. So with Belton in the mix, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan maybe competing at left tackle or right guard, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be interesting to see just where things are

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of training camp, when the pads go on,

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<v Speaker 1>but then also where training camp finishes and when the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are really getting ready for that Week one lineup

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<v Speaker 1>in September.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, and they obviously we've seen it with Jenkins,

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen it with Zach Tom There's versatility, there's guys

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<v Speaker 2>you can move around depending on how injuries shake out.

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<v Speaker 2>But realistically, I think one of the things that Packers

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<v Speaker 2>got really fourtune with last year is that Rashid Walker

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<v Speaker 2>did get through the whole season fine, you know, starting

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<v Speaker 2>all those games and being available, but it isn't always

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<v Speaker 2>going to work out that way. And you saw what

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<v Speaker 2>happened with David Bakhtiari when he had his injury and

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<v Speaker 2>the in the knee that just kind of kept lingering

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<v Speaker 2>and lingering and lingering. You need to have a plan

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<v Speaker 2>be available to them. So not only is Morgan gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a guy that pushes Walker for that job, but

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<v Speaker 2>as Walker enters the last year of his rookie contract,

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<v Speaker 2>Tom at this point entering the last year of his

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<v Speaker 2>rookie contract, it's things that Packers have to keep an

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<v Speaker 2>eye on too as far as the future is concerned

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<v Speaker 2>with both Morgan and Belton potentially being involved with those

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<v Speaker 2>positions as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well at the wide receiver position. The other one

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss here on offense, it's, uh, we we've sat

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<v Speaker 1>here over the years many many times during the spring

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<v Speaker 1>during the summer talking about wide receiver competitions and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's an annual rite of passage in Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>that that there is always competition in that room. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, Wes, I don't know if the com

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<v Speaker 1>petition is going to be any fiercer than it will

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<v Speaker 1>be this summer. Because while the Packers will be waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for later in the fall when Christian Watson comes back

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<v Speaker 1>from his knee rehab, which by all accounts so far

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<v Speaker 1>is going well, and that's all good to hear, but

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<v Speaker 1>you've got Jaden Reid, Romeo Dobbs, Dantavian Wicks coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers have added a first round pick in Matthew Golden,

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<v Speaker 1>a third round pick in Savion Williams to that mix.

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<v Speaker 1>You've also you're also returning Bow Melton and Malie Heath,

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<v Speaker 1>guys who have you know, They've had their ups and

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<v Speaker 1>downs in terms of practice, squad, active roster, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen them play and contribute to Matt Lafleur's offense, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've caught passes from Jordan Love in some big situations.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Mkole Hardman was added from Kansas City as

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<v Speaker 1>a free agent wide receiver possible return man. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see how that sorts itself out. But wow, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the the collection of guys there with the potential. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you'd call it the trading deadline acquisition. Down the

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<v Speaker 1>road of Christian Watson re entering that room when he

0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.960
<v Speaker 1>gets healthy. This wide receiver position is going to be

0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.360
<v Speaker 1>something to watch right from day one of OTA is

0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:17.360
<v Speaker 1>quite frankly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm sure Jason Vrabel is a kid in

0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the candy stop right with all these guys, and obviously

0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Mahaffey in that room too, and so many guys

0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.440
<v Speaker 2>you can develop out of this. And certainly you know,

0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.280
<v Speaker 2>first and foremost you have Dobbs, you have read obviously

0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:37.120
<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, you know Melton wicks Heath, all these

0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.840
<v Speaker 2>guys are still young, They're still developing and still looking

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<v Speaker 2>for those breakout type years. But being able to put

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<v Speaker 2>in a first round pick the first time in twenty

0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.160
<v Speaker 2>three years the Packers have drafted a receiver in the

0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:52.760
<v Speaker 2>first round. Some would be with Golden's just prodigious speed,

0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.680
<v Speaker 2>a guy that is not just four to nine fast,

0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.960
<v Speaker 2>but also ran the fastest ten yards split. I mean,

0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.160
<v Speaker 2>this guy's quick as well. Yeah, at his size, being

0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.880
<v Speaker 2>able to master the rout tree. And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that has impressed me the most, Mike, and you

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<v Speaker 2>and I have continually talked about this in the weeks

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<v Speaker 2>after the draft here. But this is a guy that

0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.080
<v Speaker 2>challenged himself. He was at Houston, he goes to Texas

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<v Speaker 2>and his stats get even better. This is a guy

0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.680
<v Speaker 2>that came on really strong for the Longhorns the second

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<v Speaker 2>half of last season because nothing was given to him

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<v Speaker 2>early on. As soon as he made that transfer. That

0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.559
<v Speaker 2>was a team that was competing for a national championship.

0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.160
<v Speaker 2>They already had a lot of talent on that roster

0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.400
<v Speaker 2>before he got there. And then, saveon Williams, you and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him at the rookie mini camp and the

0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Packers they weren't throwing passes, we weren't running elaborate routes.

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<v Speaker 2>But this guy six four six, two hundred and twenty pounds.

0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.600
<v Speaker 2>The comment was made on the sideline amongst the reporters.

0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he is a grown man, and when you

0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.480
<v Speaker 2>still run in the four fours at that size, and

0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.960
<v Speaker 2>certainly there's some some wrinkles to iron out a little

0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.160
<v Speaker 2>bit with his game. There were some drops and things

0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.040
<v Speaker 2>like that at TCU, but all around, I mean, you

0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.840
<v Speaker 2>look at what the horn Frogs did. They wanted to

0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.439
<v Speaker 2>feed him the football, however, they needed to get into him.

0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.800
<v Speaker 2>The guy threw a pass last season. I mean, this

0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.160
<v Speaker 2>is a playmaker. And when you're looking at guys from

0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that level of football and you have these type of

0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.560
<v Speaker 2>programs building and tailoring their offenses around them, it shows

0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.400
<v Speaker 2>you that the raw talent is there and for Matt

0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Lafleur and that coaching staff to be able to develop

0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.200
<v Speaker 2>this and build game plans around it. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>most dangerous thing about this offense, and we said it

0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.000
<v Speaker 2>last year, but it's still true, is that on any

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<v Speaker 2>given down, you don't know which three or four receivers

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to see and how they could be utilized,

0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and that is a ultimate weapon for an offense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of things that I'll say about the guys,

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<v Speaker 1>the two draft picks being added to the mix, Saveon Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the six four, two twenty, And when we

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<v Speaker 1>got our first chance to talk to the draft picks

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<v Speaker 1>in person on last Friday during the rookie mini camp,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the group of reporters that that was

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<v Speaker 1>around Saveon Williams, and I was basically standing right next

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<v Speaker 1>to him, and it sort of hit me that it's like, boy,

0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, not that Jordi Nelson was a small guy.

0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Not that James Jones was a small guy, but standing

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<v Speaker 1>next to a wide receiver who's six four two twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, this is a different type of football

0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.080
<v Speaker 1>player here. This is a different type of offensive weapon

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<v Speaker 1>than what the Packers normally bring in. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, the same can be said

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<v Speaker 1>for Matthew Golden, because, as Matt Lafleur said after the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't coach four two nine, right, I mean, that's

0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.120
<v Speaker 1>just that's what he has, that's what he brings to

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<v Speaker 1>the table. But the really interesting thing too with Golden

0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:41.760
<v Speaker 1>is that that Texas team was bringing in two fairly

0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.520
<v Speaker 1>highly touted transfer receivers from the portal for twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Matthew Golden coming from Houston and it was

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Bond. I believe is the name coming from Alabama? Well,

0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Houston or Alabama. Which guy is going to get more

0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.360
<v Speaker 1>attention coming in from the transfer portal? It's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>from Alabama, right. But eventually who was the guy who

0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.200
<v Speaker 1>became the number one target for the Texas Longhorns. It

0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.640
<v Speaker 1>was Matthew Golden. His production, the stats, the numbers, all

0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of that bore that out, So a lot of excitement

0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.520
<v Speaker 1>obviously about what both of those guys can bring to

0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the table. Two receivers we've seen Brian Goodakunz double up

0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.000
<v Speaker 1>at positions in the draft before, but two very very

0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.040
<v Speaker 1>different receivers in different offensive weapons being thrown into the

0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:27.480
<v Speaker 1>mix here.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to, I'm not saying you have to,

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<v Speaker 2>but one member of the Packers media corps did say

0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that Matthew Golden was going to be the pick.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I was gonna. I was gonna let you

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<v Speaker 1>brag about yourself. You called it, you called it, he

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<v Speaker 1>was your pick. But first time in well, first time

0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.400
<v Speaker 1>in twenty three years, the Packers drafted receiver in the

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<v Speaker 1>first round.

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<v Speaker 2>First time in twelve years.

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<v Speaker 1>That you've been correct because I actually called, although I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say I was wrong because the Packers ended

0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.960
<v Speaker 1>up taking him in the second round. But I called

0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the Christian Watson pick a few years ago. The Packers

0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.680
<v Speaker 1>ended up getting him at the top of the second

0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.639
<v Speaker 1>round rather than taking him with one of their first

0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.399
<v Speaker 1>one of their two first round picks that year. But

0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.040
<v Speaker 1>that was the receiver that I actually pegged, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got it right, even though it was in the second round.

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<v Speaker 1>But congrats to you on nailing the Golden No.

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<v Speaker 2>And be serious about that though for a second. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason why is that the more you learn about this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've gotten a chance to talk to him now

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, and reading his backstory and where

0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.199
<v Speaker 2>he comes from in Houston, where it is you know,

0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.200
<v Speaker 2>he's from that area of Texas. He stayed home when

0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.040
<v Speaker 2>he originally went played at Houston for two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Went to TCU on a visit and savee On Williams

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<v Speaker 1>was the was the player who was hosting him on

0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.040
<v Speaker 1>his recruiting visit. Ultimately didn't choose TCU, but he goes

0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.800
<v Speaker 1>back a little ways with Savian.

0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Small football world. But I mean, this kid has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of motivation, uh in Golden and being able to

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<v Speaker 2>see him and obviously he's talked about wanted to get

0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:02.840
<v Speaker 2>his grandmother's house back something. It sounds like those wheels

0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.679
<v Speaker 2>have already started turning. It's been abandoned since it was

0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.200
<v Speaker 2>taken away from his family, So that's something they should

0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.639
<v Speaker 2>be able to work out. But then also just you know,

0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.320
<v Speaker 2>he wears two for his grandma, and you know, listening

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to his stories about his mother and then those two

0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of raising him. It gives you a lot of

0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.120
<v Speaker 2>reason to pull for this young man. And certainly once

0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.680
<v Speaker 2>you see him on the field, I mean, this guy's different,

0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.439
<v Speaker 2>and I think Packer fans are going to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we do need to move on to the

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<v Speaker 1>side the two positions obviously that are gonna look different

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<v Speaker 1>here in twenty twenty five, the defensive line and cornerback

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.040
<v Speaker 1>for Green Bay might as well start on the defensive line.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is sort of the thing I've been throwing

0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.480
<v Speaker 1>it out there, whether it's an inbox or some other

0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 1>radio shows I've been on. To me, the most interesting thing,

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>because I know there's been all the talk about the

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>pass rush, because yes, the Packers finished eighth in sacks

0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.160
<v Speaker 1>last year, but the pass rush wasn't good enough against

0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.159
<v Speaker 1>the Vikings and the Lions and the Eagles when they

0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 1>needed it. There was all this inconsistency, which Brian Gudukuns

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and Matt Lefluur have acknowledged. So there's been all this

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 1>focus on what are the Packers going to do about

0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.399
<v Speaker 1>their pass rush going into twenty twenty five. To me,

0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the larger question, or the next question after that, is

0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 1>can the Packers improve the consistency and the reliability of

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the pass rush without sacrificing the run defense because the

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 1>run defense had its highest league ranking in fifteen years

0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.680
<v Speaker 1>for the Packers last year since two thousand and nine

0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 1>when Dom Capers was in his first year as coordinator.

0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Haffley's first year as coordinator, the Packers run defense

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 1>was one of the top six or seven in the league.

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 1>So you need to do something about the pass rush,

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.840
<v Speaker 1>which they spent fourth and fifth round draft picks and

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.560
<v Speaker 1>sixth round and a sixth round draft pick for that matter.

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.680
<v Speaker 1>But can you change things up and get some more

0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 1>improvement and reliability and everything there with the pass rush

0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 1>without sacrificing the run defense. I think that's the question

0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that lingers.

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 2>That's the number one thing the Packers have to do,

0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and they also have to do it without TJ. Slayton, right,

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>And if you go back to the twenty twenty one draft,

0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that was probably the best bang for your

0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.399
<v Speaker 2>buck pick the Packers got with getting Slaton in the

0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.439
<v Speaker 2>fifth round. YEP, a guy that I think a lot

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 2>of people at Florida were kind of hoping he was

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.440
<v Speaker 2>going to go back for that senior year. He comes

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.960
<v Speaker 2>out early, and to his credit, this is a guy

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.480
<v Speaker 2>that had incredible physical gifts and really became an all

0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.479
<v Speaker 2>around football player by the time his time ended there.

0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.560
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting to me just seeing and obviously now

0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.000
<v Speaker 2>he's gone and signed with the Cincinnati Bengals, But you know,

0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:00.879
<v Speaker 2>there were people that were talking about some of these

0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.480
<v Speaker 2>first round defensive linemen and they were drawing comparisons. Lan

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Zerline had comparisons. I forget which exactly guy was, but

0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>said that his player comp was TJ. Slayton. So while

0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.359
<v Speaker 2>he's not the biggest name, he is a big void

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.600
<v Speaker 2>for this Packer's defense and how they go about replacing

0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.080
<v Speaker 2>him is gonna be very critical. Now that being said,

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.160
<v Speaker 2>TJ wasn't the biggest pass rushing threat that we've ever

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.919
<v Speaker 2>seen in a Green and Gold uniform. That's where I

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 2>think the Packers are trying to find this balance because

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 2>it's an interior game and an it's an exterior game.

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.199
<v Speaker 2>It's with those edge rushers as well. How do you

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 2>incorporate guys like Edgrin Cooper being able to use the

0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 2>athleticism of a Kway Walker get those guys involved. I mean,

0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I think Isaiah McDuffie had a half sacked last season.

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jeff Hafley cooked up some really interesting schemes

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.440
<v Speaker 2>utilizing slot cornerbacks and inside linebackers. But at the end

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 2>of the day, when the blueprint was drawn up last offseason,

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it was about trying to get pressure with four. It

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>was about trying to maximize what they have and being

0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 2>able to play back in some coverage and they had

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to sort of mix that up. So very interested to

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 2>one figure out what the identity of this year's defense

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.119
<v Speaker 2>is going to be into how the edge rushers and

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the pass rushers are going to be incorporated into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly we've heard it time and time again this offseason

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Lucas Vanessas said it himself. I mean, everybody's expecting big

0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.119
<v Speaker 2>things from the former first round pick, where Shan Gary

0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought came on really well at the end of

0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 2>last season, kingsleyan Igbari certainly, Brenton Cox Junior was kind

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.520
<v Speaker 2>of a revelation during the second half the season finishes

0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:32.679
<v Speaker 2>with four sacks. And now you look at what they

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>did on Day three, those first two picks of Day three,

0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.639
<v Speaker 2>when you had Baron Serell out of Texas and Colin

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Oliver out of Oklahoma State, two very different pass rushers,

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.240
<v Speaker 2>two very different body types, but guys that the Packers

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.639
<v Speaker 2>hope could potentially contribute to this rotation. Huge expectations on

0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 2>that group this season, and I would imagine once we

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 2>get to training camp, probably the biggest microscopes will be

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:55.280
<v Speaker 2>looking at that defensive front.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm very intrigued, not to say that I'm

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.359
<v Speaker 1>not intrigued with Baron Sirell and what he might do.

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 1>And we could probably do an entire show on everything

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.640
<v Speaker 1>that went down in the fourth round on that Saturday

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 1>afternoon when he was selected. But I'm very interested to

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.639
<v Speaker 1>see what Jeff Halfley does with a pass rusher like

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Colin Oliver two hundred and forty pounder. He's only ten

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.400
<v Speaker 1>pounds heavier than Edger and Cooper who's an off ball linebacker.

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 1>And Oliver was drafted in the fifth round. The Packers

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.879
<v Speaker 1>felt the value was there with him because as an

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 1>undersized edge rusher, he can also play off ball linebacker

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.719
<v Speaker 1>if you need him to. But Jeff Halflee in that

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>first year, for all the different things that he tried,

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the Packers didn't really have somebody whose position is edge rusher,

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>but who is a speed guy, A pure speed guy.

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>He's undersized. He's not going to be out there on

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 1>the edge to defend the run. That's for Sean Gary

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.919
<v Speaker 1>and Lucas Fanessa's job. Those are the edge guys that

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>are the two hundred and seventy plus pounds Colin Oliver

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 1>having that designated speed rusher coming off the edge. I'm

0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:00.119
<v Speaker 1>really interested to see what Halfley ends up doing with

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>him and where his creativity goes in that regard. And

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>then in the sixth round you bring in Warren Brinson,

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the defensive tackle, interior defensive lineman from Georgia. He'll be,

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, at times, you know, lining up next to

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Devonte Wyatt, who, for as much as everybody talks about

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Lucas Faness and Rashan Gary and trying to continue the

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.120
<v Speaker 1>growth and the upward trajectory, Davonte Wyatt is a guy

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>who looked like he was headed there last year and

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<v Speaker 1>then a pretty nasty ankle injury kind of threw his

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 1>whole season, you know, off the rails, so to speak.

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.880
<v Speaker 1>And he came back, but he wasn't the same guy.

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And then it took a while to really get fully

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>healthy again. And then we started to see it again

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit more when he was fully past

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the ankle injury. But Davonte Wyatt is a guy that,

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 1>especially as a former first round pick, just like Lucas

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 1>van Ness, they're going to be counting on to be

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that two way defender on the interior the defensive line

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.120
<v Speaker 1>against the run and getting after the quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and why it affects a football game, ban I

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>mean when he is healthy. I mean the guy has

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<v Speaker 2>now I think ten and a half sacks the last

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 2>two seasons, and that's not even on a full bandwidth

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of games and snaps. He's emerging and I think you

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 2>can see that, and you know, listening to some of

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 2>these guys. I know Kenny Clark has talked about the

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>excitement about wide and where his career is heading right now.

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, they can't all be just

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 2>jet rushers, right. You need guys that are gonna be

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 2>space eaters, two gappers, guys that are going to be

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.959
<v Speaker 2>able to clog up against the run. And watching the

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 2>film of Brinson, who is a very selfless player at Georgie,

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this guy started eight games his entire career.

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>They're played in almost I think maybe more than fifty

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>fifty six something like that, but only started eight, but

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 2>in terms of their rotation was so critical to what

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 2>they did. And when you look at his body type

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Mike six foot five and that three ten pound range,

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 2>that is more of the defensive lineman that the Packers

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 2>have sort of manifested and developed over the last few years.

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>You haven't always had just the three hundred and forty

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>pound run stuffers like Slayton. So I think he'll fit

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>really well into the idea of what Green Bay wants

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 2>to do. But certainly getting hopefully a healthy Kenny Clark,

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 2>a healthy DeVante Wyatt, it's gonna be really critical to

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 2>what the Packers can do up front, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, one more position to address today and then we'll

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>call it a day for now. Cornerback is a position

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that has undergone a lot of personnel change, and we

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>still don't know at this point what exactly is going

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>to happen with JayR Alexander. It's been it's it's been

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>an ongoing story throughout the off season with no updates

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>as to where this is. So we set aside jay

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 1>R Alexander for right now. But personnel wise, the Packers

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>did not bring back Eric Stokes, Corey Ballentine, or Robert Rochelle.

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of depth in the cornerback room that

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<v Speaker 1>left big free agent signing in Nate Hobbs coming in

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 1>almost like in some ways like the second coming of

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Keishawn Nixon from the standpoint of a guy who has

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>played a lot of slot cornerback, but the Packers also

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>believe he can play boundary cornerback on a regular basis.

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Nixon proved last year that he could play both spots,

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>he could move to the outside and certainly hold his

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.640
<v Speaker 1>own and then the one I guess I would say

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:14.440
<v Speaker 1>almost two editions in the draft, the seventh round pick

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and Michael Robinson and then Jonathan Baldwin coming in from UNLV,

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>A guy that most folks figured was going to be

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.400
<v Speaker 1>drafted ended up being undrafted and and the Packers got him.

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Kind Of one of those guys at the top of

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the UDFA class will be another guy in the cornerback

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>room as some of this personnel turnover happens.

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, Brian Goodkuins is not like comparisons with players,

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to offer one with Hobbs. To me,

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>this is the quintessential Zadarias Smith type signing, where the

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Packers see something in him that maybe wasn't all there

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>on film, but it was enough to entice him to

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>think that this guy could be something really special. Zadarius Smith,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 2>when they signed him, had only started eight games the

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>previous year with Baltimore. He was seeing more or as

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>that pass rushing specialist. The Packers saw him as an

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 2>every down defender, the guy that could potentially affect the game,

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>in which he did for those first two seasons. Nate

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Hobbs is in the similar light. Most of his workload,

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>most of his playing time came inside. But when you

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 2>look at the fact that he was as physical as

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 2>he was, and he didn't really rack up very many

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>penalties at all while operating in a position where you

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.159
<v Speaker 2>are constantly under a microscope. Green Bay sees him as

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 2>having the size and the speed to be able to

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 2>play outside too. So whether or not you want to

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 2>travel certain guys with receivers, whether or not you just

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 2>want to play boundary, or whether it's just a situation

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>where you got to have five healthy players in depending

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>on who's available, you can move him around. Hobbs gives

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you that type of versatility and that type of latitude.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I love everything that he's about. When again, when you

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>listen to his story, where he's come from and motivation

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that has put him to this spot, this is a

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>guy that absolutely positively wants to be the best cornerback

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>in the league, and he feels like he has the

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>ability to do it. Now. That being said, there's a

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>huge question mark there with jy r lexand but I

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>feel like this particular year's team is better equipped to

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>handle whether twenty three is there or whether twenty three

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 2>is not. You've seen Carrington Valentine and how he's played.

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I thought he came on really strong last year after

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>having those hamstring issues.

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I say, when he finally got healthy, you know, we

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>saw the Carrington. We saw the progression of a Carrington

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Valentine in year two that we were thinking we were

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>going to see from the beginning, but he wasn't healthy

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>enough to show it.

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Ballhawk confident, everything you want to see. And when you

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 2>talk about seventh round picks, late round developing cornerbacks, these

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>are the type of guys Green Bay has had success

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of tools in extremely young You know,

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Max Harriston from Kentucky this year was I think in

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the being a first round pick, people were talking about

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>him as potentially a Packers guy. Him and Carrington are

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the same age. They're both I think two thousand and

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>three birth years. Okay, I mean that just shows you.

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean Carrington was the youngest guy on this roster

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 2>his rookie season two years ago, still a lot ahead

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>of him. I think Keyshaw Nixon proved a lot of

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 2>people wrong last year that he could play inside outside.

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>The guys led the Secondari's led the cornerback room and

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>playing time the last two seasons. Oh and then, by

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the way, you still have Xavier McKinney on the back

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>end with this thing with an all PFWA safety in

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Evan Williams and check this a second round pick and

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Jevon Bullard who can also play the slot. So the

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Packers have built this room out to a point where

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they can handle whatever ebbs and flows

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>are going to be thrown at them. But I think

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that did start with Nate Hobbs and

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 2>is one of those projection signings that Brian Goodikuntz has

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of success with.

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like what you say what you said about

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the Hobbs signing, because when it comes to the draft,

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we talk all the time about how it's a crystal

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>ball business and it's about making the investment based on

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the projection of what you feel the player is going

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to become. The free agent investment in Nate Hobbs is

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the Packers making a projection as to what they believe

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>he can become because he's, even though he is a

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>fifty year player at this point, he is not a

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>finished product. And the Packers feel that he's got his

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>best football ahead of him and they're going to try

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to capture that here in Green Bay.

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>And like Xavier McKinney last year, who signed at twenty

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>four years old as an unrestricted free agent. Nate Hobbs

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>signs with the Packers this year as a twenty five

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 2>year old unrestricted for agent, so still very much his

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>best years ahead of him.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely well, with that, we will call it a rap

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<v Speaker 1>on this edition, this comeback edition of Packers Unscript. I'd

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>be sure to follow all of our coverage of the

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>team on Packers dot com and as the spring goes

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>on here, we are going to do our best to

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<v Speaker 1>stick with our two shows a week, hopefully through the

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>end of the Packers offseason program, which would be when

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>we get to that mandatory mini camp in the middle

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>of June, and then we'll take another break before we

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>come back for training camp. But with that for Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will see you next time.