1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spuffer, joined as always by my trusted 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: colleague Wes Hodkoitz. Coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field. Back on the air West Packers Unscripted 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: as back, and this is a somewhat historic episode of sorts. 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: And I will let you explain what I mean by that. 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: Well. First and foremost, big thank you to our producer 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: behind the cameras here, Craig Schilbauer, our noble leader who 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: is stepping in because Matt Arvin effectually known as Arvin Marvin, 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: I should say mo name right. Matt was with us 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: for the first nine seasons of Packers Unscripted in some 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: shape or form. Obviously, Zach Budd did a tremendous job 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: this past year as our producer as well. Matt moved 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: on to a new phase of his life, going back 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: home to Michigan. We miss him dearly here at lambeau Field. 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: We press on without him, but Michael, you and I 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: ten seasons now of Packers on SCRIPTA going in. We're 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: not with Marv, but he is with us in spirit. 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: He absolutely is. And we'll have to get his critique 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: of his boss. Craig's a first producer run at our 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: fancy little show here. But boy, we have a lot 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: to talk about, a lot of ground to cover because 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: we did take a bit longer break than we normally do. 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: But before we dive into everything that's been going on 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: in the off season here, I just have to get 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: your thoughts because it really was a to this point, 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime and hopefully not much more than 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: a once in a generation type of thing. But green 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Bay hosting the NFL Draft. All I'll say to start 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: off is that I think everything about it exceeded the 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: expectations that anyone could have had. It was absolutely tremendous. 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: It was phenomenal in every respect, not only for the 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: local team, but for the entire production. I like to 34 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: call it now the NFL's traveling road show. I mean, 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: that really is what the NFL Draft is. And I 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: thought the city of Green Bay, the fans, and everybody 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: in this organization outside this organization that was involved in 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: it absolutely hit it out of the park. 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: Mike, you and I could fill an entire episode of 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: Packers unscripted. Just giving kudos to the men and women 41 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: of this organization, discover Green Bay, everybody in the community 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: that made this thing happen. In my wildest dreams, Michael, 43 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: I don't think I could have envisioned a scenario in 44 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: which the NFL Draft would have been any better than 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: what we had in Green Bay. Certainly, there were the 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: theatrics on the stage. Two Packer players end up walking, 47 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: two future Packers end up walking across that stage and 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: embracing Roger Goodell. But the alumni that were involved, just 49 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: the amount of people, six hundred thousand people over the 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: three days, blowing the roof off of what the expectations 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: were in terms of how many folks were going to 52 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: be coming out here. I was chatting with people. I'll 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: never forget this. On Thursday afternoon, I was eating my 54 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: lunch inside a little common you know, promenade area, our 55 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: little commissary if you will, okay, and people were coming 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: up to me saying, Mandy, do you think folks will 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: show up? Like? What is this going to be like? 58 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: Is it going to look empty? Because you have the 59 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: title town, the lambeau Field, the Rest Center campus, And 60 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: I remember within hours of looking out at that same 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: area as that sea of people is out there in 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: the draft theater and in the general missionary behind it. 63 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: I could not have thought of a better experience. My 64 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: son was able to come down and check it out 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: a little bit. So many tremendous people involved in it, 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to jinx it over the three days, 67 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: but I remember talking with our VP of security, Doug Collins, 68 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: a huge credit to him and his staff for everything 69 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: they did, and telling him I'm like, I could not 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: have envisioned this going off any better than it did, 71 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: and hopefully we will see it here on someday. 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: That shot, the panoramic overhead type shot, if you will, 73 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: of the stage, the crowd on the Lambeufield Grounds, whether 74 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: you're shooting it with the stadium in the background or 75 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: with the stage as the background, whichever angle that shot 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: is going to, that picture will go down as an 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: iconic image in the history of this city and in 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: the history of the state, quite frankly, the entire state 79 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. 80 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: It was. 81 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: It was absolutely tremendous. But we have so much Packers 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: football to talk about. There is so much that has 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: happened since we last signed off free agency the draft. 84 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Here's what I want to do. I think this is 85 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: the this is the best way to break it down here, 86 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the boss get it to try to get it into 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: one show here, and then we'll see where our shows 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: the rest of the spring go from there. But when 89 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: you look at what happened with the Packers in free 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: agency and in the draft combined, for me, it breaks 91 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: down down into four position groups looking extremely different compared 92 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: to where the Packers were at the end of last season. 93 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Two positions on offense, two positions on defense. So I 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: want to start on the offensive side because to me, 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: those two positions are wide receiver and offensive line. I'll 96 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: let you choose which one you want to go with first, 97 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: but I think those are the two position groups on 98 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball that are undergoing the 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: most transition here as the Packers go from twenty twenty 100 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: four into twenty twenty. 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: Five one thousand percent, And realistically, when you look at quarterback, 102 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: running back, tight end, it's pretty much the same outlook 103 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: at all those positions. So it's sort of this dichotomy 104 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: between some pretty draft drastic shifts and pretty much business 105 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: as usual. Packers at the time in which we're taping 106 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: this haven't even added another quarterback to that room since 107 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: the end of the season, So be that as it may. 108 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: I will take over with the offensive line here. And 109 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: the main reason I'll do that is I felt like 110 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: this was the first Domino that really fit well with 111 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: the Packers offseason in how the thing's set up for them. 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: In the draft, ye, Aaron Banks is signed. He's brought 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: in left guard from the San Francisco forty nine ers, 114 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: big bruising, mauling type guard. That shift though, ends up 115 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: moving Elton Jenkins to center as Josh Myers now goes 116 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: and signs with the New York Jets. So a huge 117 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: seismic change that I remember being. We were talking about 118 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: this at the NFL owners meetings and there were some 119 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: rumblings about could Elton be moving to center? And Brian 120 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: Goudikuntz and Matt Lafour both said when we were down 121 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: at West Palm Beach, they feel like he can be 122 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: an all pro there and he's been a two time 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl left guard, a selfless guy, a guy that 124 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: has done everything the Packers have asked of him throughout 125 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: these first six years that he's been in Green Bay. Well, 126 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: now he's going to make this move back to center, 127 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: where he was an All SEC type player there at 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Mississippi State before he got drafted by the Packers in 129 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: the second round. Then you have Aaron Banks, and I 130 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 2: just I'm thinking in my head about what this interior 131 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: line could look like because it is you know, Sean 132 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: Ryan or Jordan Morgan are now Anthony Belton who was 133 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: added the Packers' interior. That line is going to be 134 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: about as big as I can ever recall height and 135 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: mass wise. I mean, these are big, big dudes that 136 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: are gonna be clogging up the middle of that area 137 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: and trying to, you know, create some space there for 138 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Josh Shacobs. So deeper, stronger, and more athletic. I think 139 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: is sort of the overall feel of this group now 140 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: that Belton's been added in the second round and the 141 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: Packers got really fortunate last year, Michael and that they 142 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: didn't have a huge injury on the offensive line up 143 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: until Elton in the playoffs in that game against Philadelphia. 144 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: Other than just Jordan Morgan's shoulder issues, most of that 145 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: line started together all season. Other than I think Josh 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: Myers missed one game with a wrist, so you can't 147 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: always count on that so whether it's the competition that's 148 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: going to push that group forward for the starting five 149 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: in training camp or the guys who might step up 150 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: if somebody does go down, I think Brian Goodikutz has 151 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: done a really good job of fortifying that group and 152 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: giving Matt Lefluor and that coaching staff a lot of options. 153 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll have to see. A second round pick 154 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: was invested in Anthony Belton, as you mentioned, massive three 155 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five pound offensive tackle from NC State. 156 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: We'll see probably when we get to OTAs where exactly 157 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: the Packers are going to begin his NFL journey and 158 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: where he'll be competing to crack the lineup, whether that 159 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: be at tackle or guard. They feel really good about 160 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: his ability to play tackle or guard on either side 161 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage. The other piece of offensive 162 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: line news that we got this offseason is both Brian 163 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: Gudukunst and Matt Lefuur have mentioned that Jordan Morgan, last 164 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: year's first round draft pick whose rookie season unfortunately was 165 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: cut short by the shoulder injury which required surgery, and 166 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: he's been in the recovery process there by all accounts 167 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: going well, but he not only will be competing with 168 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: Sean Ryan at right guard, which is where he started, 169 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: which is where he began his NFL journey last year 170 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: as that rookie first round pick, but he's also going 171 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: to be competing with Rashid Walker at left tackle. So 172 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Rashid Walker entering a contract year, he'll be a fourth 173 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: year player this year, a previous seventh round pick who 174 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: has stepped in at left tackle and done a yeoman's job, 175 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: as they say, with not only in the run game, 176 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: but protecting Jordan Love's blindside. But now last year's first 177 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: round pick is going to be competing with Walker at 178 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: left tackle. So with Belton in the mix, and then 179 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: Morgan maybe competing at left tackle or right guard, it's 180 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see just where things are 181 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: at the start of training camp, when the pads go on, 182 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: but then also where training camp finishes and when the 183 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: Packers are really getting ready for that Week one lineup 184 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: in September. 185 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: For sure, and they obviously we've seen it with Jenkins, 186 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: You've seen it with Zach Tom There's versatility, there's guys 187 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: you can move around depending on how injuries shake out. 188 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: But realistically, I think one of the things that Packers 189 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: got really fourtune with last year is that Rashid Walker 190 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: did get through the whole season fine, you know, starting 191 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: all those games and being available, but it isn't always 192 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: going to work out that way. And you saw what 193 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: happened with David Bakhtiari when he had his injury and 194 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: the in the knee that just kind of kept lingering 195 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: and lingering and lingering. You need to have a plan 196 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: be available to them. So not only is Morgan gonna 197 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: be a guy that pushes Walker for that job, but 198 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: as Walker enters the last year of his rookie contract, 199 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: Tom at this point entering the last year of his 200 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: rookie contract, it's things that Packers have to keep an 201 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: eye on too as far as the future is concerned 202 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: with both Morgan and Belton potentially being involved with those 203 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: positions as well. 204 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well at the wide receiver position. The other one 205 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: to discuss here on offense, it's, uh, we we've sat 206 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: here over the years many many times during the spring 207 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: during the summer talking about wide receiver competitions and it's 208 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: a it's an annual rite of passage in Green Bay 209 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: that that there is always competition in that room. But 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Wes, I don't know if the com 211 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: petition is going to be any fiercer than it will 212 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: be this summer. Because while the Packers will be waiting 213 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: for later in the fall when Christian Watson comes back 214 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: from his knee rehab, which by all accounts so far 215 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: is going well, and that's all good to hear, but 216 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: you've got Jaden Reid, Romeo Dobbs, Dantavian Wicks coming back. 217 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: The Packers have added a first round pick in Matthew Golden, 218 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: a third round pick in Savion Williams to that mix. 219 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: You've also you're also returning Bow Melton and Malie Heath, 220 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: guys who have you know, They've had their ups and 221 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: downs in terms of practice, squad, active roster, but we've 222 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: seen them play and contribute to Matt Lafleur's offense, and 223 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: they've caught passes from Jordan Love in some big situations. 224 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: And then Mkole Hardman was added from Kansas City as 225 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: a free agent wide receiver possible return man. You know, 226 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: we'll see how that sorts itself out. But wow, I mean, 227 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: the the collection of guys there with the potential. I 228 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: guess you'd call it the trading deadline acquisition. Down the 229 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: road of Christian Watson re entering that room when he 230 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: gets healthy. This wide receiver position is going to be 231 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: something to watch right from day one of OTA is 232 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: quite frankly. 233 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure Jason Vrabel is a kid in 234 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: the candy stop right with all these guys, and obviously 235 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: Ryan Mahaffey in that room too, and so many guys 236 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: you can develop out of this. And certainly you know, 237 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: first and foremost you have Dobbs, you have read obviously 238 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you know Melton wicks Heath, all these 239 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: guys are still young, They're still developing and still looking 240 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: for those breakout type years. But being able to put 241 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: in a first round pick the first time in twenty 242 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: three years the Packers have drafted a receiver in the 243 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: first round. Some would be with Golden's just prodigious speed, 244 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: a guy that is not just four to nine fast, 245 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: but also ran the fastest ten yards split. I mean, 246 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: this guy's quick as well. Yeah, at his size, being 247 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: able to master the rout tree. And I think the 248 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: thing that has impressed me the most, Mike, and you 249 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: and I have continually talked about this in the weeks 250 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: after the draft here. But this is a guy that 251 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: challenged himself. He was at Houston, he goes to Texas 252 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: and his stats get even better. This is a guy 253 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: that came on really strong for the Longhorns the second 254 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: half of last season because nothing was given to him 255 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: early on. As soon as he made that transfer. That 256 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: was a team that was competing for a national championship. 257 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: They already had a lot of talent on that roster 258 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: before he got there. And then, saveon Williams, you and 259 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 2: I saw him at the rookie mini camp and the 260 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: Packers they weren't throwing passes, we weren't running elaborate routes. 261 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: But this guy six four six, two hundred and twenty pounds. 262 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: The comment was made on the sideline amongst the reporters. 263 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he is a grown man, and when you 264 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: still run in the four fours at that size, and 265 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: certainly there's some some wrinkles to iron out a little 266 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: bit with his game. There were some drops and things 267 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: like that at TCU, but all around, I mean, you 268 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: look at what the horn Frogs did. They wanted to 269 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: feed him the football, however, they needed to get into him. 270 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: The guy threw a pass last season. I mean, this 271 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: is a playmaker. And when you're looking at guys from 272 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: that level of football and you have these type of 273 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: programs building and tailoring their offenses around them, it shows 274 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: you that the raw talent is there and for Matt 275 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: Lafleur and that coaching staff to be able to develop 276 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: this and build game plans around it. I think the 277 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: most dangerous thing about this offense, and we said it 278 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: last year, but it's still true, is that on any 279 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: given down, you don't know which three or four receivers 280 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: you're going to see and how they could be utilized, 281 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: and that is a ultimate weapon for an offense. Yeah. 282 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: A couple of things that I'll say about the guys, 283 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: the two draft picks being added to the mix, Saveon Williams. 284 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: You mentioned the six four, two twenty, And when we 285 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: got our first chance to talk to the draft picks 286 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: in person on last Friday during the rookie mini camp, 287 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: I was in the group of reporters that that was 288 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: around Saveon Williams, and I was basically standing right next 289 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: to him, and it sort of hit me that it's like, boy, 290 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean, not that Jordi Nelson was a small guy. 291 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Not that James Jones was a small guy, but standing 292 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: next to a wide receiver who's six four two twenty, 293 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this is a different type of football 294 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: player here. This is a different type of offensive weapon 295 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: than what the Packers normally bring in. And I think 296 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, the same can be said 297 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: for Matthew Golden, because, as Matt Lafleur said after the draft, 298 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: you can't coach four two nine, right, I mean, that's 299 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: just that's what he has, that's what he brings to 300 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: the table. But the really interesting thing too with Golden 301 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: is that that Texas team was bringing in two fairly 302 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: highly touted transfer receivers from the portal for twenty twenty four. 303 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: It was Matthew Golden coming from Houston and it was 304 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: Isaiah Bond. I believe is the name coming from Alabama? Well, 305 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: Houston or Alabama. Which guy is going to get more 306 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: attention coming in from the transfer portal? It's the guy 307 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: from Alabama, right. But eventually who was the guy who 308 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: became the number one target for the Texas Longhorns. It 309 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: was Matthew Golden. His production, the stats, the numbers, all 310 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: of that bore that out, So a lot of excitement 311 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: obviously about what both of those guys can bring to 312 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: the table. Two receivers we've seen Brian Goodakunz double up 313 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: at positions in the draft before, but two very very 314 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: different receivers in different offensive weapons being thrown into the 315 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: mix here. 316 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: And if you want to, I'm not saying you have to, 317 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: but one member of the Packers media corps did say 318 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: that Matthew Golden was going to be the pick. 319 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: I know I was gonna. I was gonna let you 320 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: brag about yourself. You called it, you called it, he 321 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: was your pick. But first time in well, first time 322 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: in twenty three years, the Packers drafted receiver in the 323 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: first round. 324 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: First time in twelve years. 325 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: That you've been correct because I actually called, although I 326 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: have to say I was wrong because the Packers ended 327 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: up taking him in the second round. But I called 328 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the Christian Watson pick a few years ago. The Packers 329 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: ended up getting him at the top of the second 330 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: round rather than taking him with one of their first 331 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: one of their two first round picks that year. But 332 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: that was the receiver that I actually pegged, and I 333 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: got it right, even though it was in the second round. 334 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: But congrats to you on nailing the Golden No. 335 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: And be serious about that though for a second. The 336 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: reason why is that the more you learn about this guy, 337 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: and we've gotten a chance to talk to him now 338 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: a couple of times, and reading his backstory and where 339 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: he comes from in Houston, where it is you know, 340 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: he's from that area of Texas. He stayed home when 341 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: he originally went played at Houston for two years. 342 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: Went to TCU on a visit and savee On Williams 343 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: was the was the player who was hosting him on 344 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: his recruiting visit. Ultimately didn't choose TCU, but he goes 345 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: back a little ways with Savian. 346 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: Small football world. But I mean, this kid has a 347 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: lot of motivation, uh in Golden and being able to 348 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: see him and obviously he's talked about wanted to get 349 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: his grandmother's house back something. It sounds like those wheels 350 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: have already started turning. It's been abandoned since it was 351 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: taken away from his family, So that's something they should 352 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: be able to work out. But then also just you know, 353 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: he wears two for his grandma, and you know, listening 354 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: to his stories about his mother and then those two 355 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: kind of raising him. It gives you a lot of 356 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: reason to pull for this young man. And certainly once 357 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: you see him on the field, I mean, this guy's different, 358 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 2: and I think Packer fans are going to see that. 359 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we do need to move on to the 360 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, and we'll do so right 361 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: after some sponsor business. 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All right, defensive 368 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: side the two positions obviously that are gonna look different 369 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty five, the defensive line and cornerback 370 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: for Green Bay might as well start on the defensive line. 371 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: And this is sort of the thing I've been throwing 372 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: it out there, whether it's an inbox or some other 373 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: radio shows I've been on. To me, the most interesting thing, 374 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: because I know there's been all the talk about the 375 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: pass rush, because yes, the Packers finished eighth in sacks 376 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: last year, but the pass rush wasn't good enough against 377 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: the Vikings and the Lions and the Eagles when they 378 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: needed it. There was all this inconsistency, which Brian Gudukuns 379 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: and Matt Lefluur have acknowledged. So there's been all this 380 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: focus on what are the Packers going to do about 381 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: their pass rush going into twenty twenty five. To me, 382 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: the larger question, or the next question after that, is 383 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: can the Packers improve the consistency and the reliability of 384 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: the pass rush without sacrificing the run defense because the 385 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: run defense had its highest league ranking in fifteen years 386 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: for the Packers last year since two thousand and nine 387 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: when Dom Capers was in his first year as coordinator. 388 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: Jeff Haffley's first year as coordinator, the Packers run defense 389 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: was one of the top six or seven in the league. 390 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: So you need to do something about the pass rush, 391 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: which they spent fourth and fifth round draft picks and 392 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: sixth round and a sixth round draft pick for that matter. 393 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: But can you change things up and get some more 394 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: improvement and reliability and everything there with the pass rush 395 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: without sacrificing the run defense. I think that's the question 396 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: that lingers. 397 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: That's the number one thing the Packers have to do, 398 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: and they also have to do it without TJ. Slayton, right, 399 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: And if you go back to the twenty twenty one draft, 400 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: I think that was probably the best bang for your 401 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: buck pick the Packers got with getting Slaton in the 402 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: fifth round. YEP, a guy that I think a lot 403 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: of people at Florida were kind of hoping he was 404 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: going to go back for that senior year. He comes 405 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: out early, and to his credit, this is a guy 406 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: that had incredible physical gifts and really became an all 407 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 2: around football player by the time his time ended there. 408 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: It was interesting to me just seeing and obviously now 409 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: he's gone and signed with the Cincinnati Bengals, But you know, 410 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: there were people that were talking about some of these 411 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: first round defensive linemen and they were drawing comparisons. Lan 412 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: Zerline had comparisons. I forget which exactly guy was, but 413 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: said that his player comp was TJ. Slayton. So while 414 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: he's not the biggest name, he is a big void 415 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: for this Packer's defense and how they go about replacing 416 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: him is gonna be very critical. Now that being said, 417 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: TJ wasn't the biggest pass rushing threat that we've ever 418 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: seen in a Green and Gold uniform. That's where I 419 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: think the Packers are trying to find this balance because 420 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: it's an interior game and an it's an exterior game. 421 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 2: It's with those edge rushers as well. How do you 422 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: incorporate guys like Edgrin Cooper being able to use the 423 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: athleticism of a Kway Walker get those guys involved. I mean, 424 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: I think Isaiah McDuffie had a half sacked last season. 425 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Jeff Hafley cooked up some really interesting schemes 426 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: utilizing slot cornerbacks and inside linebackers. But at the end 427 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: of the day, when the blueprint was drawn up last offseason, 428 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: it was about trying to get pressure with four. It 429 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: was about trying to maximize what they have and being 430 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: able to play back in some coverage and they had 431 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: to sort of mix that up. So very interested to 432 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 2: one figure out what the identity of this year's defense 433 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: is going to be into how the edge rushers and 434 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: the pass rushers are going to be incorporated into that. 435 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 2: Certainly we've heard it time and time again this offseason 436 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: Lucas Vanessas said it himself. I mean, everybody's expecting big 437 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: things from the former first round pick, where Shan Gary 438 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: I thought came on really well at the end of 439 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: last season, kingsleyan Igbari certainly, Brenton Cox Junior was kind 440 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: of a revelation during the second half the season finishes 441 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: with four sacks. And now you look at what they 442 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: did on Day three, those first two picks of Day three, 443 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: when you had Baron Serell out of Texas and Colin 444 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: Oliver out of Oklahoma State, two very different pass rushers, 445 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: two very different body types, but guys that the Packers 446 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: hope could potentially contribute to this rotation. Huge expectations on 447 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: that group this season, and I would imagine once we 448 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: get to training camp, probably the biggest microscopes will be 449 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: looking at that defensive front. 450 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm very intrigued, not to say that I'm 451 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: not intrigued with Baron Sirell and what he might do. 452 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: And we could probably do an entire show on everything 453 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: that went down in the fourth round on that Saturday 454 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: afternoon when he was selected. But I'm very interested to 455 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: see what Jeff Halfley does with a pass rusher like 456 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: Colin Oliver two hundred and forty pounder. He's only ten 457 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: pounds heavier than Edger and Cooper who's an off ball linebacker. 458 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: And Oliver was drafted in the fifth round. The Packers 459 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: felt the value was there with him because as an 460 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: undersized edge rusher, he can also play off ball linebacker 461 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: if you need him to. But Jeff Halflee in that 462 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: first year, for all the different things that he tried, 463 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: the Packers didn't really have somebody whose position is edge rusher, 464 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: but who is a speed guy, A pure speed guy. 465 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: He's undersized. He's not going to be out there on 466 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: the edge to defend the run. That's for Sean Gary 467 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: and Lucas Fanessa's job. Those are the edge guys that 468 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: are the two hundred and seventy plus pounds Colin Oliver 469 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: having that designated speed rusher coming off the edge. I'm 470 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: really interested to see what Halfley ends up doing with 471 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: him and where his creativity goes in that regard. And 472 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: then in the sixth round you bring in Warren Brinson, 473 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle, interior defensive lineman from Georgia. He'll be, 474 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: you know, at times, you know, lining up next to 475 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: Devonte Wyatt, who, for as much as everybody talks about 476 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: Lucas Faness and Rashan Gary and trying to continue the 477 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: growth and the upward trajectory, Davonte Wyatt is a guy 478 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: who looked like he was headed there last year and 479 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: then a pretty nasty ankle injury kind of threw his 480 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: whole season, you know, off the rails, so to speak. 481 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: And he came back, but he wasn't the same guy. 482 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: And then it took a while to really get fully 483 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: healthy again. And then we started to see it again 484 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: like a little bit more when he was fully past 485 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: the ankle injury. But Davonte Wyatt is a guy that, 486 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: especially as a former first round pick, just like Lucas 487 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: van Ness, they're going to be counting on to be 488 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: that two way defender on the interior the defensive line 489 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: against the run and getting after the quarter. 490 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and why it affects a football game, ban I 491 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: mean when he is healthy. I mean the guy has 492 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: now I think ten and a half sacks the last 493 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: two seasons, and that's not even on a full bandwidth 494 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: of games and snaps. He's emerging and I think you 495 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: can see that, and you know, listening to some of 496 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 2: these guys. I know Kenny Clark has talked about the 497 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: excitement about wide and where his career is heading right now. 498 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: But at the same time, they can't all be just 499 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: jet rushers, right. You need guys that are gonna be 500 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: space eaters, two gappers, guys that are going to be 501 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 2: able to clog up against the run. And watching the 502 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: film of Brinson, who is a very selfless player at Georgie, 503 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy started eight games his entire career. 504 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: They're played in almost I think maybe more than fifty 505 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: fifty six something like that, but only started eight, but 506 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: in terms of their rotation was so critical to what 507 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: they did. And when you look at his body type 508 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: Mike six foot five and that three ten pound range, 509 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: that is more of the defensive lineman that the Packers 510 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: have sort of manifested and developed over the last few years. 511 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: You haven't always had just the three hundred and forty 512 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: pound run stuffers like Slayton. So I think he'll fit 513 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: really well into the idea of what Green Bay wants 514 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: to do. But certainly getting hopefully a healthy Kenny Clark, 515 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: a healthy DeVante Wyatt, it's gonna be really critical to 516 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: what the Packers can do up front, all. 517 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: Right, one more position to address today and then we'll 518 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: call it a day for now. Cornerback is a position 519 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: that has undergone a lot of personnel change, and we 520 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: still don't know at this point what exactly is going 521 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: to happen with JayR Alexander. It's been it's it's been 522 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: an ongoing story throughout the off season with no updates 523 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: as to where this is. So we set aside jay 524 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: R Alexander for right now. But personnel wise, the Packers 525 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: did not bring back Eric Stokes, Corey Ballentine, or Robert Rochelle. 526 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: That's a lot of depth in the cornerback room that 527 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: left big free agent signing in Nate Hobbs coming in 528 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: almost like in some ways like the second coming of 529 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Keishawn Nixon from the standpoint of a guy who has 530 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: played a lot of slot cornerback, but the Packers also 531 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: believe he can play boundary cornerback on a regular basis. 532 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: Nixon proved last year that he could play both spots, 533 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: he could move to the outside and certainly hold his 534 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: own and then the one I guess I would say 535 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: almost two editions in the draft, the seventh round pick 536 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: and Michael Robinson and then Jonathan Baldwin coming in from UNLV, 537 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: A guy that most folks figured was going to be 538 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: drafted ended up being undrafted and and the Packers got him. 539 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: Kind Of one of those guys at the top of 540 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: the UDFA class will be another guy in the cornerback 541 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: room as some of this personnel turnover happens. 542 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: You know, Brian Goodkuins is not like comparisons with players, 543 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: but I'm going to offer one with Hobbs. To me, 544 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: this is the quintessential Zadarias Smith type signing, where the 545 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 2: Packers see something in him that maybe wasn't all there 546 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: on film, but it was enough to entice him to 547 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: think that this guy could be something really special. Zadarius Smith, 548 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: when they signed him, had only started eight games the 549 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: previous year with Baltimore. He was seeing more or as 550 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: that pass rushing specialist. The Packers saw him as an 551 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: every down defender, the guy that could potentially affect the game, 552 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 2: in which he did for those first two seasons. Nate 553 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: Hobbs is in the similar light. Most of his workload, 554 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: most of his playing time came inside. But when you 555 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: look at the fact that he was as physical as 556 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: he was, and he didn't really rack up very many 557 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: penalties at all while operating in a position where you 558 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: are constantly under a microscope. Green Bay sees him as 559 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: having the size and the speed to be able to 560 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: play outside too. So whether or not you want to 561 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 2: travel certain guys with receivers, whether or not you just 562 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: want to play boundary, or whether it's just a situation 563 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: where you got to have five healthy players in depending 564 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: on who's available, you can move him around. Hobbs gives 565 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: you that type of versatility and that type of latitude. 566 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: I love everything that he's about. When again, when you 567 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: listen to his story, where he's come from and motivation 568 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: that has put him to this spot, this is a 569 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: guy that absolutely positively wants to be the best cornerback 570 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: in the league, and he feels like he has the 571 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: ability to do it. Now. That being said, there's a 572 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: huge question mark there with jy r lexand but I 573 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: feel like this particular year's team is better equipped to 574 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: handle whether twenty three is there or whether twenty three 575 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: is not. You've seen Carrington Valentine and how he's played. 576 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: I thought he came on really strong last year after 577 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: having those hamstring issues. 578 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: I say, when he finally got healthy, you know, we 579 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: saw the Carrington. We saw the progression of a Carrington 580 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: Valentine in year two that we were thinking we were 581 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: going to see from the beginning, but he wasn't healthy 582 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: enough to show it. 583 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: Ballhawk confident, everything you want to see. And when you 584 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: talk about seventh round picks, late round developing cornerbacks, these 585 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: are the type of guys Green Bay has had success 586 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: with a lot of tools in extremely young You know, 587 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: Max Harriston from Kentucky this year was I think in 588 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: the being a first round pick, people were talking about 589 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: him as potentially a Packers guy. Him and Carrington are 590 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: the same age. They're both I think two thousand and 591 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: three birth years. Okay, I mean that just shows you. 592 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: I mean Carrington was the youngest guy on this roster 593 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: his rookie season two years ago, still a lot ahead 594 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: of him. I think Keyshaw Nixon proved a lot of 595 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: people wrong last year that he could play inside outside. 596 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: The guys led the Secondari's led the cornerback room and 597 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: playing time the last two seasons. Oh and then, by 598 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: the way, you still have Xavier McKinney on the back 599 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: end with this thing with an all PFWA safety in 600 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: Evan Williams and check this a second round pick and 601 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: Jevon Bullard who can also play the slot. So the 602 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: Packers have built this room out to a point where 603 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: I feel like they can handle whatever ebbs and flows 604 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: are going to be thrown at them. But I think 605 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: a lot of that did start with Nate Hobbs and 606 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: is one of those projection signings that Brian Goodikuntz has 607 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: had a lot of success with. 608 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like what you say what you said about 609 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: the Hobbs signing, because when it comes to the draft, 610 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: we talk all the time about how it's a crystal 611 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: ball business and it's about making the investment based on 612 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: the projection of what you feel the player is going 613 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: to become. The free agent investment in Nate Hobbs is 614 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: the Packers making a projection as to what they believe 615 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: he can become because he's, even though he is a 616 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: fifty year player at this point, he is not a 617 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: finished product. And the Packers feel that he's got his 618 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: best football ahead of him and they're going to try 619 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: to capture that here in Green Bay. 620 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: And like Xavier McKinney last year, who signed at twenty 621 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: four years old as an unrestricted free agent. Nate Hobbs 622 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: signs with the Packers this year as a twenty five 623 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: year old unrestricted for agent, so still very much his 624 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: best years ahead of him. 625 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely well, with that, we will call it a rap 626 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: on this edition, this comeback edition of Packers Unscript. I'd 627 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 628 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot com and as the spring goes 629 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: on here, we are going to do our best to 630 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: stick with our two shows a week, hopefully through the 631 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: end of the Packers offseason program, which would be when 632 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: we get to that mandatory mini camp in the middle 633 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: of June, and then we'll take another break before we 634 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: come back for training camp. But with that for Wes, 635 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 1: I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody, and 636 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: we will see you next time.