1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jolan Victoria. Thanks so much for listening 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: to the podcast and thanks for supporting the ministry. We 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: believe you're going to have an awesome twenty twenty four, healthy, productive, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: and favor filled. God bless you today and enjoy the 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: message now. 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: The joy that Jesus gave us is not dependent on 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: what is going around on around us. 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: See, the joy that Jesus. 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: Gave us is on the inside of us. You see, 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: God does his work on the inside of us. When 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: you said yes to Jesus Christ, the outside didn't immediately change. 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: But the inside did. 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: You See, he put seeds on the inside of you. 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: He gave you a new heart, a new start, the 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: ability to take what He's put on the inside of 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: you and make it come out of you. See, God's 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: blessings start on the inside up on the outside. 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: You see. 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: I have a lemon tree, and when I got it 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: and planted it, it had no lemons on it. 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: It was a lemon tree, but it had no lemons. 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: But I took care of it. 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: I watered it, I fed it, I made sure that 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: it was you know, was in the right soil. I 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: did everything I could to cultivate and develop the lemons, 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: and sure enough that lemon tree that had no lemons 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: on the outside produced them from the inside. So my 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 2: lemon tree now has fruit that I. 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: Can eat from. And do you know, that's how joy works. 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: Joy is inside of us, but we must cultivate it, 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: we must tap into it, because there is fruit in 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: there that we have to eat from if we are 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: going to overcome the trials of life. 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: You see, you may be. 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: In a trial, may be in a difficulty, you may 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: have lost a loved one, You may have a child 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: who is who is wayward or far off, and you 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: feel sorrow. But do you know on the other side 39 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: of that sorrow, parallel with that is joy. 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: It's the fruit of joy that. 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: You can eat from, and it causes you to be strong, 42 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: and it causes you to stand firm, and it causes 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 2: you to overcome. And that's why joy is so important. 44 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: In fact, the Israelites, when God brought them out of 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: captivity from the oppression of the Pharaoh, it says in 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: scripture that he brought them out with joy and led 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: them forth in peace. You see, I believe what he 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: was showing us was, if you're gonna come out of 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: these dark places. If you're gonna stand under the trials 50 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: of life, you're gonna have to come out with joy. 51 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to use the joy to get you 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: out of captivity, to get you out of those anxious thoughts, 53 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: to get you out of that defeat and discouragement. Joy 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: is the key of coming out. Joy is your key, and. 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: It's inside of you. 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: But it's like anything else, you have to tap into it, 57 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: you have to develop it, you have to use it. 58 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: The Bible says, in this world, you're gonna have troubles. 59 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 2: Jesus said that he wasn't promising us that we weren't 60 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: gonna have troubles. 61 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: But you know what he said about those troubles. He says, 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: here's the key. 63 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: Be of good cheer. 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: Be of good cheer, because I have overcome the world. 65 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: Be of good cheer, for I have overcome. You know 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: what he's saying. He's saying, brighten up, Brighten your face up. 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: One scripture says, rejoice in the Lord. And again I 68 00:03:53,400 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: say rejoice. Rejoice means to brighten you. See there's a 69 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: light on the inside of you, but you've got to 70 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: flip it on. 71 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: And the key to joy is this. 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: I really believe this, because some people just seem to 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: have a different personality. They can just be more joyous, 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: where some people maybe a little melancholy, and they have 75 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: to work on this. But the truth is, in a trial, 76 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: we all need this joy. 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: We all need it, so we must develop it. 78 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: Listen, I didn't take my lemon tree and put it 79 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: in the ground as soon as I needed lemons. I 80 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: put it in the ground. I cultivated it. I did 81 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: what it took so the lemons would come out. Then 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: I could take them, then I could use them. And see, 83 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: when you need joy, you can't try to cultivate it 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: right away. You have to know how to tap into it. 85 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: The fruit has to already be there. 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: Okay. 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: So I think every day we have to practice joy. 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: We have to laugh in the face of adversity. We 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: have to smile when there's nothing to smile about. You know, 90 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend of mine the other 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: day and she's been very discouraged. 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: She's been very down. 93 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: She's having some difficulties with her daughter and is going 94 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: through a divorce, and she has a young child. And 95 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: you know, as a mother in here, when your child's 96 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: not doing good, it's hard for you to do good, right, 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you just worry. And I've watched her just 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: get more discouraged and more discouraged. And now I see 99 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: her health is being jeopardized, and because anxiety and stress 100 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: will jeopardize our physical be And so I begin to 101 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: talk to her the other day because I thought, you 102 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: know what, I've just watched day after day after day. 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: You know, I just want to encourage her. 104 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: So she we've been friends forever, I've worked with her forever. 105 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: We really love each other. So she she knows me 106 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: pretty well. But I walked in and I just started 107 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: deciding that I was just gonna make her laugh, you know. 108 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: I was just gonna bring the joy up in her. 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: And so I was like, hey, can I see your teeth? 110 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: She thought, what The next thing, I know, I start 111 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: seeing a little bit of her teeth, and I said, 112 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: oh man, your teeth are beautiful. Look at your smile. 113 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: I haven't seen you smile in a long time. And 114 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: so I just start laughing and cracking up. And I'm 115 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: being so silly that she starts laughing, you know. So 116 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: I begin to just brighten her. I begin to encourage 117 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: her joy. See, I was simply changing the atmosphere in 118 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: her mind. I was simply changing that so that she 119 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: would be opened up to what God wants to say 120 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: to her. So funny, because okay, y'all, I'm gonna just 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: admit something. Sometimes when I talk to you guys, like 122 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: I got this light that shining in my eye, I'm 123 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: trying to think of what I'm supposed to say. I'm 124 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: being all serious, and I see sometimes when I watch myself, 125 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm low. 126 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: You said, I'm talking, and I think I gotta stop that. 127 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: How can I stop that? And I told Joey said, 128 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: I don't mean to, because I'm such a happy person 129 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: and I but I just all of a sudden start 130 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: frowning trying to And jol said, oh, it's gonna take 131 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: you a year to stop that if you start practicing 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: right now. 133 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: And I'm like, hello, mister encouragement. 134 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: So I read that if you put a pencil in 135 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: your mouth between your teeth, that it makes the sides 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: of your mouth go up. You know, there's studies that 137 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 2: say if you'll change your facial expressions, it does something 138 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: to you emotionally. So what I've started doing was sitting 139 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: in my computer with a pencil in. 140 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: My mouth, so I can just be smiling all the time. 141 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: So I thought about that, and I had took two 142 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: pencils with me when I was talking to my friend, and. 143 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: I said, I said, look look at this and put 144 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: a pencil in my mouth, and look out. It makes 145 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: me smile. I said, here, you put this pizle in 146 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: your mouth. I said, I washed it. 147 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 2: We're both standing there looking at each other with pencils 148 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: in our mouths. But can I tell you the atmosphere changed. 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: The joy came, the blessing came, the problems. 150 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: Seemed to be smaller. You see, the joy was there 151 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: to be her strength. 152 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: And I begin to tell her about the promises of 153 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: God and the goodness of. 154 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: God, the things that really produced that joy. 155 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: And I said, you know, you're worried about your child, 156 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: and that's certainly understandable, but I want to explain something 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: to you that I truly believe your child, your daughter, 158 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: what she's going through right now, God has given her 159 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: the grace to go through it. God has given her 160 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: the grace to go through it. He hasn't given you 161 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: the grace that she has. He's given you the grace 162 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: to help her through it. But you can't help her 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: through it with a long face. You can't help her 164 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: through it with discouragement. God wants you to stir up 165 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: your joy. He wants you to bring a sense of 166 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: happiness and joy and elation to her life. You need 167 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: to elevate and push that joy up for her and 168 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: for yourself. Do you know when you push joy up, 169 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: it signals victory. It's like when a god runs and 170 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: he wins the race, the first thing he does is 171 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: throws his hand up. It's because he has victory. 172 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: We need to change our posture and let. 173 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: The joy come out in our life. 174 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: We need to. 175 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: Put a pencil in our mouth if necessary, because God. 176 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: Works through our joy. 177 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: He brought them out with joy because he knew they 178 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: needed the strength to go on. 179 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 3: They didn't even know all the things they were gonna face. 180 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: But if they could go out with joy, if they 181 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: could tap into that joy, that joy would. 182 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 3: Be there for them, would be their strength. So I 183 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: wan encourage every one of us today to practice. 184 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: Joy every day. Look at what your face is saying. 185 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: What is it signaling to your body and your mind? 186 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: What are you thinking about the Kingdom of God starts 187 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: within us and it flows out of us and. 188 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: That's what brings the blessing. So I encourage you. 189 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: Don't let life's difficulties push your joy down. You push 190 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: your joy up because it signals victory. 191 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: Amen. Amen, He's an awesome God. 192 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 4: God has put a specific dream in your heart. Maybe 193 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: it's a dream for a better career, a blessing that 194 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 4: enables you to bless others, to be in a healthy, 195 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: loving relationship, to launch your own business or ministry endeavor. 196 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 4: We all have dreams, but sometimes setbacks and opposition can 197 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: rob us of our dreams. So how do you make 198 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 4: your dreams a reality? 199 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: One way you know it's a God given dream is 200 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: you can't accomplish it on your own. We never thought 201 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: we'd be having church in a former basketball arena, But 202 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: this is what can happen when you take the limits 203 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: off of God. 204 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: When you believe what God put in your heart, that's 205 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: when He steps in and makes ways where you never 206 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: saw ways. 207 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: Now I love to send you my newest book, It's 208 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: time to Dream again. It'll help you to hold on 209 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: to what God promised and not get discouraged by how 210 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: impossible it looks or how long it's taken. You are 211 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: closer than you think God's working behind the scenes right now. 212 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: Stay in faith, You're going to see the greatness of 213 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: God bring your dreams to pass. 214 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 4: As our way of saying thank you for your gift 215 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: of any amount to the industry this month, Joel and 216 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: Victoria would like to send you this dream releasing, life 217 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: affirming book, It's time to Dream Again. You make sense 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: that your dreams have been buried, but with this book 219 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: you'll see that they are actually a hidden treasure just 220 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: waiting to be uncovered and come to life. God's plan 221 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: for you is significant. His dreams for you are beyond 222 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: what you could imagine. Don't wait another day. It's time 223 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 4: to dream again. 224 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: This book will help you gain a fresh perspective for 225 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: your dreams and to believe for everything God has put 226 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: in your heart. 227 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: Victoria and I pray for you and your family every day. 228 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your prayer and support. Your 229 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: generosity is making a difference around the world. 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