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Speaker 1: one of the things when I looked over your bio,

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Speaker 1: and it probably speaks to a lot of who you

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Speaker 1: are because lots of people drop out of college and

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Speaker 1: they're hold people who struggle with math. You dropped out

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Speaker 1: know Bill Gates did it takes a certain amount of

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Speaker 1: independence and courage to do that. I couldn't have done that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have enough confidence. If you could, Michael go

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Speaker 1: back that week or that moment. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it was epiphany, but did something frustrate you? Were there?

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Speaker 1: Caps were there where you did you feel like you

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Speaker 1: were being boxed in? You know? For me, I was

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Speaker 1: always a terrible student. I was always an awful athlete.

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Speaker 1: I was good at one thing. I always love to work,

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Speaker 1: and any variation of business was like what I love

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Speaker 1: to do is well, that was the way I competed.

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Speaker 1: And so I actually only went to college because I

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Speaker 1: made a commitment to my mom and dad after I

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Speaker 1: nearly went bankrupt a couple of times in high school,

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Speaker 1: right and my dad helped me once and said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'll do this. You have to go to college. So

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Speaker 1: I went to college. Problem was, by the time I

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Speaker 1: got there, I was, you know, doing so well buying

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Speaker 1: the sun clothesouts like, yeah, this this isn't for me.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm gonna give them the money back.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go full time in business. So you've expanded

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Speaker 1: into spaces that some are obvious, like from the sports

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Speaker 1: apparel you moved and then you recently said sports gambling,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, all right, how is he going to

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Speaker 1: you know, synchronize all these So take me to the

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Speaker 1: thought because a lot of your apparel stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: like lids, like and different. You know, I've watched Amazon grow,

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Speaker 1: like I get it when they went into the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's kind of a left turn, isn't it. Now?

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Speaker 1: I get their strategy. So you go into gaming, how

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Speaker 1: does it fit? Yeah? So I really think about what's

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Speaker 1: a sports fan one? I think you really think about

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Speaker 1: everything through the lens of your customer, the sports fan.

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Speaker 1: What's in their best interest. I think there's really not

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Speaker 1: another company today who's working to build a really end

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Speaker 1: to go to place, you know, can you one day

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Speaker 1: watch live games? Can you be in the games as

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Speaker 1: jersey the hat of the player you like? Can you

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Speaker 1: get a collectible from that, you know, whether it's a

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Speaker 1: trading card, physical, digital ft you know, do you want

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Speaker 1: really want to give the sports fan everything they want

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Speaker 1: digitally in one place. I think that's a massive opportunity.

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Speaker 1: We spent really the last ten years building i'd say

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Speaker 1: and we woke up. We said, wait a second, we

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Speaker 1: have close to a one hundred million sports fans, and

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Speaker 1: they do a lot of other things digitally. How about

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Speaker 1: if we could give them everything in one place. And

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Speaker 1: that's where the desire we have is to give the

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Speaker 1: not legal to bet sports yet in California. That would obviously,

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Speaker 1: and there's political reasons, and you know, some conservative states

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Speaker 1: there's some politics behind it. So when you look at

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Speaker 1: sports gaming, what inning timing is so violent? All this stuff?

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Speaker 1: What inning are we in? In your opinion very early,

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Speaker 1: to create the best product for sports fans, the best experience,

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Speaker 1: and we have, you know, huge strategic advantages. Today we

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Speaker 1: have more than one hundred million fans to go to fanatics,

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Speaker 1: you own a couple of sports franchises, you moved out

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Speaker 1: of that space, my guest was for the gaming purposes,

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Speaker 1: am I right? Yeah, it just got Look, it got

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Speaker 1: you know, it was great when it wasn't a conflict,

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Speaker 1: and when I saw that it was holding back Fanatics,

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Speaker 1: it was immediately an easy decision for me to reach people.

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Speaker 1: You're I'm sure your cash fluid. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: would like to buy Fanatics and you've held off on that.

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Speaker 1: Are there almost DNA reasons? Are there independent reasons? People

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Speaker 1: want to want to answer them. People, why why haven't you?

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Speaker 1: the global money? Michael goes right. Somebody once said to me,

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Speaker 1: it really gets down to one thing. We're just getting started.

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Speaker 1: We're just starting like this is you know, you asked

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Speaker 1: I think we have so much potential ahead for us.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to improve how sports fans are kind

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Speaker 1: of serviced by us. You know, there's so many things

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Speaker 1: many things to improve the collectible's business where we're going

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Speaker 1: So for me, it's not like there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: You said, it's a global business, communities together, and why

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Speaker 1: Or you buy it and six months later you're like, wow, collectibles, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised this is the business. Yeah, I'd say in

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Speaker 1: And it's just like the mentality of like we need

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Speaker 1: So for me, it's like, if this business doing this well,

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Speaker 1: yourself tech music people? How do you stay young and

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Speaker 1: twitchy with culture? Because the world live and now it's

426
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Speaker 1: so fluid, Michael, Like every fifteen minutes there's new tech. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, I think you need to be

428
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Speaker 1: authentic to yourself, Like I address the way I want.

429
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Speaker 1: And by the way, when someone will say, hey, you

430
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Speaker 1: have to wear this to this, I'm just like, I

431
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Speaker 1: am who I am. I don't give a shit. And

432
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Speaker 1: you know, if someone doesn't like me, you know what.

433
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Speaker 1: I just you gotta be authentic, gotta be who you are,

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing. I like. I do love having all

435
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Speaker 1: different backgrounds around me because that gives us an opportunity

436
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Speaker 1: to learn from different people and take different perspectives. But look,

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Speaker 1: I have a young mentality, Like I don't like I

438
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Speaker 1: generally will say as a stereotype and probably feel bad

439
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Speaker 1: saying I don't like being about old people in general

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Speaker 1: because it makes me feel old versus I like to

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Speaker 1: be around young people that can learn from growth from.

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Speaker 1: I won't go to Palm Springs because of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel old. Park City people ski and everybody in

444
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Speaker 1: LA loves Palm Springs, and I'm like, I don't play bridge,

445
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Speaker 1: it's old. I go, I want to hear from Conchella.

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Speaker 1: Well that's young. Sorry, nobody in the Rady's there. No,

447
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Speaker 1: I think that's a really could have been the most

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Speaker 1: person in Cachella. Finally, I remember interviewing Phil Night one

449
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Speaker 1: time and I asked this question. My producers like, that

450
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 1: is such a pitthy, silly question. But when you can

451
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: have anything, you know the old saying, oh, what do

452
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Speaker 1: you get somebody that has everything? You could have any

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Speaker 1: piece of sports memorabilia you've wanted. I'm not a sports

454
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Speaker 1: memberabilia collector. I don't have a press pass i've ever had.

455
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Speaker 1: But is there anything like if somebody told me what

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Speaker 1: could I have, I'd say give me Muhammad Ali's gloves

457
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Speaker 1: against Foreman and Zaire. That to me was the one

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Speaker 1: of the first moments as a kid, I was watching

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Speaker 1: a JP patch's morning show product that I don't have.

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Speaker 1: This is something you don't have. It's my first memory

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Speaker 1: of me knowing sports is a cartoon on a Saturday

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Speaker 1: morning breaking in and said, Muhammad Ali's beat George Foreman,

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Speaker 1: this is a cartoon show in Seattle. And to me

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Speaker 1: it was the first moment I was a huge Ali fan.

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Speaker 1: It was the first sports moment. I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm really into this. I did a book cover mimicking

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Speaker 1: a Muhammad Ali shoot, so that to me would be

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Speaker 1: these sports thing. Do you have one? I want that

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Speaker 1: I'll have you don't have? Yes, what is it? This

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Speaker 1: is so easy? What do you think I want them? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me guess Doctor Jay's the uniform when he did

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Speaker 1: the dunk over Michael Cooper or the that's a good

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Speaker 1: guess for you're off by about thirty or forty years.

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Speaker 1: I want a two thousan twenty two, two twenty three

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Speaker 1: six ers championship ring. Those are hard to get, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's why I want it, because you know I want

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Speaker 1: the ship that's hard to get, because that's what makes

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Speaker 1: it interesting. You can't even find that on an eBay.

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Speaker 1: It's not currently available on the mark. You know what,

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Speaker 1: you ask me what I want, That's what I want.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to get my buddy Ryan Rossilo on Forever.

482
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Speaker 1: He's busy, he's got a podcast, and so we have

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Speaker 1: him scheduled for the day and the Donovan Mitchell stray

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Speaker 1: breaks and I know exactly what Rosilo's thinking, coward, I'm

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Speaker 1: not giving you my best shit, so don't expect a

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Speaker 1: lot for me. So I thought that myself. Sometimes you

487
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Speaker 1: get lucky, so I know you have stuff to do,

488
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to throw my takeaway on this at

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Speaker 1: you and you just shoot it down. Is that I

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Speaker 1: understand there's value and who won the trade. But if

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Speaker 1: I think you're a pretty good team Cleveland and you

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Speaker 1: got the best player Cleveland, it falls into that I

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Speaker 1: don't really care who won the trade because I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to watch the Calves because I thought last year,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, they're they're a player in a year away.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know who won the trade, but it

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Speaker 1: does feel like Mitchell is kind of what they need.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it that way? He's exactly what they need. Calm.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a CALVS team I like watching

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Speaker 1: last year. I love Darius coming out of the draft.

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Speaker 1: It was a little hard because you know, he was

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Speaker 1: a little he was smaller, he didn't have a ton

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Speaker 1: of playing time. I mean, honestly, like when you look

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Speaker 1: back at Kyrie's Duke year, you know, he barely played,

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Speaker 1: and then you just realize what a special talent he was.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Darius is Kyrie anyway, I hope

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Speaker 1: he isn't, but there was some mimilarities there, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's really apparent that you know he's a special guard.

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Speaker 1: And Cleveland, I think, in a weird way, it was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: if Sexans is going to be out, you know, we

511
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Speaker 1: can kind of give the keys to Darius and go.

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Speaker 1: So then on top of that, you get Alan, you

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Speaker 1: got Mobli, so they're doing something a little bit more traditional.

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Speaker 1: So my point is this, it's all the Cavs games

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Speaker 1: that I watched, and I watched a lot of them

516
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Speaker 1: because I just liked the young players. Their shot creation

517
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Speaker 1: all fell on Garland at the end of games. It

518
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Speaker 1: was a joke. And if you go to a fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: offensive efficiency were last year they were nineteenth in the

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Speaker 1: NBA and I think in their clutch time it was

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Speaker 1: even worse. It was so apparent that Garland was just

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Speaker 1: supposed to left to dribble and create all on its own.

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Speaker 1: They bringing Karis Lavert to try to ease that a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And everybody likes Karis Lavert until they get

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Speaker 1: him on their team. They're like, oh, Okay, this guy's

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Speaker 1: playing his own game here. So if you factor in that, yes,

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Speaker 1: she won the trade because you got the best player,

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Speaker 1: which is what a GM told me and I first

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Speaker 1: started covering the league twenty years ago. He goes, you know,

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Speaker 1: more often the night you look at the history, when

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Speaker 1: you get the best player, you end up winning the trade.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna win the East, but they

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Speaker 1: solved a massive problem. Is when it comes to shock creation,

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Speaker 1: and we can get into all the Mitchell, who is

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Speaker 1: he overrated and underrated all that stuff. He is a

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Speaker 1: fantastic shock creator. So it is a huge Look, it's

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Speaker 1: the it's the player. He was available, the package, all

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Speaker 1: that stuff, but for what they needed, they needed somebody

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Speaker 1: else that was another threat with the ball in his

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Speaker 1: hands and as a shooter, and that's exactly what Mitchell is.

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Speaker 1: You know, There's been a theory for years in all sports,

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Speaker 1: certainly the Packers, that Midwest teams have to overpay in

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Speaker 1: trades or free agency to get players. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's true, but I will say this is that

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Speaker 1: here's and I go to a couple of Jazz games

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Speaker 1: a year. I like Danny Ainge. I like what they're doing.

547
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Speaker 1: It's a one horse town. So they'll they'll be patient, right,

548
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Speaker 1: they'll they'll set it out and be patient, and they've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of success. They've all been fairly viable.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing I don't love about these total rebuilds.

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Speaker 1: So even Jannis, I think, the best player in the league,

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Speaker 1: it took about till year four where you were like, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: he's getting to a top five player, right, so you know,

554
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Speaker 1: just throw Lebron out of it. Most of these guys

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Speaker 1: come out now these draft picks, they're nineteen forget physically ready,

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Speaker 1: they're just not emotionally ready. So when you do these rebuilds, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: but I don't like about it. You're asking your fans

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Speaker 1: even if we hit on the draft picks, it's three

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Speaker 1: years after that until you can really go into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And be violent. Now you can obviously add pieces, but

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Speaker 1: Danny Ainge tends to be I want to win the

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Speaker 1: trade or I'm not making the trade. And again, Utah

563
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Speaker 1: is not a big free agent destination, so I understand

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Speaker 1: his plan. Ryan, But man, I think what you charge

565
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Speaker 1: fans today. It's a hard sell. And you're really good

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Speaker 1: at this personnel and the NBA drafting stuff. I always

567
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Speaker 1: trust your opinions, but shit, man, it's hard. I got

568
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Speaker 1: one year a college tape with an overbearing college coach.

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Speaker 1: It feels like there's more missus than ever out of

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Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah. You start looking at the top ten

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Speaker 1: in recent traps too, it's remarkable how many of those

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Speaker 1: top ten players are on a new team by year

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Speaker 1: two or three. It's more than fifty percent of the

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Speaker 1: top ten. Like I used to think the later picks

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Speaker 1: in the first round were totally overvalued. And I did

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Speaker 1: talk to a GM who'd hurt me say it like

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Speaker 1: five years ago, or I just started looking at it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, you get you trade your

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Speaker 1: guy for like a twenty and a twenty seven, and

580
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Speaker 1: then it's really exciting, like, oh, we have three first rounders.

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Speaker 1: If you get a rotation guy in the twenties. You

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Speaker 1: crushed it, okay, And as I started, everybody wants to

583
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Speaker 1: go like, well what about Dreamond Greeney manager? But you're like, yeah, man, awesome.

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Speaker 1: Like when Hinky would stockpile all these second rounders and

585
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: everybody would like act like it meant anything, didn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: The second rounders are even worse. So when I started

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Speaker 1: talking about the overvaluing of first round picks, I had

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Speaker 1: a GM. It was pretty smart who was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't always agree with you, but because I heard

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Speaker 1: what you said about the first rounders, because that's how

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Speaker 1: we've been running our business now for a couple of years. Like,

592
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Speaker 1: I don't care, like we're a pretty good team. We're

593
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: generally always a pretty good team. We're a destination. We

594
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Speaker 1: feel like we're always in playing for some guys, And

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Speaker 1: like why would why do I care about like pick

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Speaker 1: twenty two, Like maybe I hit it and it's a

597
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Speaker 1: cheap rotation guy, but chances are it's like less than

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Speaker 1: a fifty percent win, So I'll give you a bunch

599
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Speaker 1: of those. And so the weird thing is, now that

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Speaker 1: we've seen all these trades happen, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of gms have decided, yeah, I don't care about these

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00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: picks either, like let's let's go. Like when you think

603
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Speaker 1: about the Kawhi trade from San Antonio to the Toronto

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Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, so you got to Rose

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Speaker 1: and who actually is? You know, it's weird. He's an

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Speaker 1: odd player and that he's gotten so much better so

607
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: much later his career. He's like a total aberration. And

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Speaker 1: then you're throwing partle who you know, I sneak he's

609
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: still kind of like a little bit. But if that

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Speaker 1: trade were done today, even with the one year left

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Speaker 1: on Kauai's deal, knowing that Toronto's probably not a free

612
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Speaker 1: agent destination, there's at least a couple first, a couple

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Speaker 1: unprotected first thrown into that. And that's just not that's

614
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Speaker 1: how quickly this has changed. But part of me also

615
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Speaker 1: wonders at times, it's like, do you guys actually want

616
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Speaker 1: a player back that's any good or do you just

617
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Speaker 1: want to be able to say, oh, I have all

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Speaker 1: of these draft picks now. For certain places who were

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Speaker 1: worried about resigning their own guys, that it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you tossed probably the bottom three free agent destination.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not even a huge fan of stock filing

622
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Speaker 1: on his cap space because and I know Angels that

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Speaker 1: He's told me straight up years ago when I was

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Speaker 1: in Boston. He goes, you know this whole all you

625
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Speaker 1: guys in the media stock piling this cap space. He's like,

626
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Speaker 1: that means I'm waiting around with a plan with no

627
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: idea of who I'm getting. So he was like, I'm

628
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: always more to the trades. So the first round movement

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Speaker 1: of the last couple of years is definitely a product

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Speaker 1: of GM's realizing these picks aren't that valuable. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's in a weird way. On the other side

632
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Speaker 1: of the receiving team, they value the ability to say, oh,

633
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Speaker 1: we have five picks now moving forward, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, at some point I want a nice player.

635
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: So if the Sham's report was correct that the Knicks

636
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: offered RJ. Barrett and two unprotected firsts. If that's correct,

637
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: and Sean's is better at the stuff than I am,

638
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I would take that deal ten out of ten times

639
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: over the Cleveland package because all of these players like

640
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: market it's kind of a disappointment Sexton. Cleveland didn't want

641
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: to pay him, and now you try him and it's

642
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: not a ton of money and it's fine. And then

643
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: you know a who you know might be a marginal

644
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: rotation player, you know who knows. All right, we'll move

645
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: off that. I want to save your gems. Sorry, you

646
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: were very good there. I was going to give you

647
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: the good stuff. I wasn't. That was the old college

648
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: game day thing, like every now we get somebody to

649
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: come over in the show and then I'd say like, well,

650
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: what are you hot on? And the guy'd be like, wow,

651
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to use our best stop. I'm like,

652
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: psych rebooked you. That is funny. So let's just pivot

653
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: to the shirt you're wearing, which those things sell on eBay.

654
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: They're like NFTs. Now you can just gobble them up.

655
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: This is my retirement plan. So I want to I

656
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: want to touch on the Brady Gizl thing because the

657
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: story came out that and it was pretty predictable. But

658
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: I said, am I preambleble for you? Like there are

659
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: certain things like I kind of know and I don't

660
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about. So the Boston Gossip column columnists

661
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: had been on this Gazelle Tom fighting ship for a

662
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: couple of years and I talked to somebody who kind

663
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: of plays in that circle and he's like, yeah, I

664
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: may he made promises and he backed out of the

665
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: promises and she's pissed off. And it's weird, Ryan, because

666
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a story breaker like Sealm's does that better

667
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: than us? You're you're very good at it, But like,

668
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: there are stories I don't really want to talk about.

669
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: And I really don't want to talk about Tom and

670
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: Giselle because marriage is hard and mine's good and it's

671
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: not easy. And I think to myself, what if Brady

672
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: caught me talking about it? Yeah, now that may be delusional,

673
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: but he used me in some documentary piece, right, And

674
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, so he's heard of me. What if he's

675
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: dancing around the TV and I'm talking about Tom Brady's

676
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: marriage And I'm like, let me fucking embarrassing. If in

677
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: ten years and you running to him in a golf tournament,

678
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: am I being weird? I just don't want to talk

679
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: about his marriage. You're being a little bit like I don't.

680
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, hey, you're wrong, you know that should

681
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: be your open three days this week? Why were your producer?

682
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like you took because I had heard

683
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: about it too. But I go, you know, I'm not

684
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in that part of it. I mean,

685
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: if I had to do a segment on it, I

686
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: would say, oh, you're you're mad. You're married to the

687
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: best quarterback of all time and he's the most competitive

688
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: person maybe ever, and he's decided, Hey, I'm still really

689
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: good at this and I want to keep playing when

690
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the when this season is like five months. So again

691
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: that's me maybe being a guy and be like, hey,

692
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you could date somebody in sales, you know so, But

693
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: again I don't know that I would do that. Maybe

694
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: I just did a little bit. Uh. I you know,

695
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: we're a weird. We're a weird. This is this actually

696
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: really interesting because I think we're a weird like intersection

697
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: of like, should we have more sympathy now because there's

698
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: there's more awareness, there's more sympathy with public figures in sports.

699
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, I was talking to somebody about um one

700
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: of the tennis stories the other day, and you know,

701
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, yeah, I mean this is

702
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: consumed differently if you say publicly, hey, I'm struggling with

703
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: these things. I'm sure you fu criticism everywhere, but there

704
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: seems to be less of it of the public people,

705
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: of in the media. There's there's there's more sympathy towards it.

706
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: I think a byproduct of that is, as long as

707
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: this is simply a family story, it doesn't impact the

708
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: football at all. I think all of us would have

709
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: real hesitation to be like, how would I build what

710
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: do I build? A topic? Like? What's the topic? How

711
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: how am I doing this? Where the listeners like, oh cool,

712
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: here's a different take or a new spin on this.

713
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of us would still love

714
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: to operate with some respect to a family thing. But

715
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just it's it's in the lane that we

716
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: have to address it. I don't know, you know, I

717
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: was watching him in preseason, so who would they play

718
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: in the other I went on vacation, So it was

719
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: right before I went on vacation. He played a couple series.

720
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: You're a vacation a lot recently? Yeah? Yeah, a lot.

721
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Shit, people aren't happy where I work. But

722
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I watched him on a couple of series and I'm

723
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: just sitting there casually watching it with a cocktail and

724
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, man, he is fucking good. Yeah, like

725
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean seriously crisp accurate. I mean like the pop

726
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: pop on his arm. It's sick. Ryan. I'm watching all

727
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: these second people are freaking out, Oh, look at what

728
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: brock Purdy can do. And I'm like, brock Purdy, you

729
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: can fit him into his back pocket. He's tiny. And

730
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm watching Brady. I'm like six five big arm accurate

731
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: pre snap weapons, like I get it. Listen, i don't

732
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: want to be one of these guys like with an

733
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: eight the first number of my age, I will not

734
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: be on the air. But dude, if I was sixty

735
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: nine and I'm still like having a ball and I'm

736
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: doing this and we're laughing and I'm gonna keep doing it,

737
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: and Anne's gonna go, hey, what about me? And I'm

738
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, it's not a terrible life. We've

739
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: created a great life. I'm just not available on Tuesdays

740
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: and Thursdays. I'm talking to Ryan Russillo. You know. It's

741
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: like I watched that preseason game and I'm like, shit, man,

742
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: he's still great, right totally with you, and you know,

743
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: any of us that have had been lucky enough to

744
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: have friends in the play sports. You know. One of

745
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: the biggest things is they all want to keep your

746
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: prime and play as long as they possibly can. And

747
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: it's funny too, It's like, this is the same thing.

748
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: It happens in our industry, but I didn't think it

749
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: happens in life when you're young. This sounds very simplistic,

750
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: but being part of being young is not knowing any better.

751
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: So when you're a young athlete, you're like, I don't

752
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: want to do this, you know, I don't want to

753
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: be one of those guys, and it's like you have

754
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: no idea where your head is going to be At

755
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: thirty five. One of our college roommates told the story

756
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: he had a thing going on, super rough night out

757
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: and he did something and his wife could really mad

758
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: at him, and we were like, when we were in college,

759
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: did we ever think that you'd be forty seven having

760
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: that kind of night out? He was like, no, he

761
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: goes every now and then. You know it's it's gonna happen,

762
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, because I still like to have a good time.

763
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: And when people talk about our industry, it's like, yeah,

764
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy who's over fifty

765
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: when you're twenty eight, you think fifty is so old.

766
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: And I think the same thing has happened here for Brady,

767
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Like I never thought he'd be able to do this.

768
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: He changes everything the way I have to think about

769
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: athletes playing it a little bit older now. I think

770
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: his pliability is part of it. I think the fact

771
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: that he found a way to play this extremely dangerous

772
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: position by constantly getting rid of the football and not

773
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: taking those kill shots. You know, he's just the lack

774
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: of the accumulation of effect of being hit like that.

775
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: It makes me kind of change, like how open of

776
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: the mind do I have to have about like who

777
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Lebron can be moving forward? But it's really easy to

778
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: assume that you know how you're going to think when

779
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: you're twenty years older. But the thing is is you're

780
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: usually always wrong, and most of us when we're in that,

781
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 1: but when we are older, we don't go, oh wait.

782
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way now, like it sucks

783
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: to do nothing. I don't want to do nothing at

784
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: any point in my life. Dude. I sleep seven hours

785
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: a day. I'm at work for six six to noon.

786
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: That's thirteen hours eleven left. I knapped for forty minutes.

787
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: I work out for about fifty every other day. I

788
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: do a podcast. I'm sitting around every day thinking how

789
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: I go to the YouTube channel. That's what my kids do.

790
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Like at some point, Brady's like, retire what I got

791
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: kids by thirteen fourteen? Ryan, they don't want to hang

792
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: out with you all day. They just don't. Look I

793
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: get it, all right, Let's let's pivot to something that

794
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: you were on years ago. So we both I think

795
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: we're both like a lot of times in the media,

796
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: a guy's an NFL guy or he's a college guy,

797
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: and you were somebody very early. Van Pelt was too, like,

798
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: we loved college and we loved the NFL, and we

799
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: grew up in NFL cities. But there's something really addictive

800
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: about the college game. I can't wait until Saturday. I'm

801
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: freaking just all fired up for it. And I mean

802
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I sat and watched the entire Nebraska Northwestern game in

803
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: a bar church eat tavern in Burlington, Vermont. I had

804
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: a goddamn ball. Oh so much fun. I called Rossillo everybody.

805
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: By the way, No, first I sent a picture because

806
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: Rossilo never calls me back. And I sent a picture.

807
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: He calls me in thirty seconds and I'm like, he

808
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: always could call me back. I had to entice him.

809
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: It was like baits. And then you called him. You're like,

810
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing there? And I'm like, this is unbelievable.

811
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: I've never been there. So the point being is I

812
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: sat there the whole day and I had three and

813
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: a half hours I had. I was just sitting there,

814
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: eating chicken wings, drinking beer, talking to people. I'm like,

815
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love college football. So we liked

816
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: the draft because it's this conversion of both. The other day,

817
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell, I think it is, had this graph on

818
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: how awful Patriots draft and it was just brutally and

819
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: you were on this ten years ago. We talked about

820
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: this at Bristol. We were like, why won't anybody talk

821
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: about it this past draft. So I have a theory

822
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: that he got ripped, not this draft, the previous draft.

823
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: He let the scouts have it again and they had

824
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: a really good draft, and then he said screw it,

825
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I want control back, and he had control of this

826
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: draft and it was horrible. I do believe, and this

827
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: sounds insane, but I do think Robert Craft, if they're

828
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: bad and boring. He owns the business. I don't think

829
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: it's fricking crazy at the end of the season if

830
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: he talks about, hey, why don't you retire Am, I

831
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: nuts it sounds crazy. But Robert Kraft is cut throat.

832
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: I know people who have negotiated with him for the NFL.

833
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to sit there and watch a seven

834
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: and ten team that's boring first consumers, They would have

835
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: to be bad multiple years before that conversation would happen.

836
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we're still talking about despite the draft record,

837
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: which is abysmal. I mean, I don't know. Sometimes I'm

838
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: always shocked, like whenever I bring it up, and then

839
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: you have like a Pats fan being like, what about

840
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Sondy Michelle in the playoffs? You're like, seriously, that's that's

841
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: your grading curve, Like a guy had a nice little

842
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: run as a first round pick over a couple of

843
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: playoff games. But I don't know. They probably like JD.

844
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Drew signing too. So when I look at the Belichick

845
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: GM part of it, like no other GM would ever

846
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: keep his job. But the problem is you're talking about

847
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: somebody who's maybe the greatest coach of all time and

848
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: it's somebody that you know, was in Boston. There are

849
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: the times you're like West Belichick doing and he was

850
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: always right, Like I remember the first time doing local

851
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: radio there they get rid of lawyer Milloy, the Bills

852
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: smoke him, spending the entire week being like this locker

853
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: room was probably turning on. I'm saying all the bullshit

854
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: that we say, and we don't know anything, and you know,

855
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: you just assume. And Belichick was right, you know, later

856
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: on it was out of Vinetarian, but like, how do

857
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: you let this guy go? And even though Vinetarian still

858
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: had a nice run, but he was inside he decided,

859
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna go as Gaskowski and it was

860
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: completely right, like he's done so many things right. The

861
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: Brady one, though, never made any sense to me, even

862
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: if he thought he was regressing a little bit. And maybe,

863
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: as we said earlier, you know, back then we still

864
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: were like, wait, Brady's gonna play on forty five, But

865
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: every thirty one other cities keep Tom Brady around with

866
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: that resident thirty one other well, i should say franchises,

867
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: not cities. They all keep them. And Belichick's the one

868
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: guy you kind of knew, like do you like to

869
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: kind of prove some sometimes? Do you like to maybe?

870
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing when you grab a wrestler

871
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: to play offensive guard, to say like, hey, look how

872
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: smart I am? And sometimes it works, and I think

873
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: he likes to get cute about some of the stuff.

874
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: So the draft record is terrible. He was asked about

875
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: it was it last season and he was like, or

876
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: maybe before the draft this year. They were like, you know,

877
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: how would you respond? And everybody's so afraid of the

878
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: guy and he's like, oh, you know, it's some pretty

879
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: good picks in there too, and it was like, oh, wow,

880
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: listen to you, Like, hey man, the draft record is

881
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: what it is. You're bad at it. You've been really

882
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: bad at it for a long time. So I don't

883
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: know the dynamic is between the scouts and everything else.

884
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I think he always likes to do things a little

885
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: bit differently. The offensive coordinator mystery of like, as Matt

886
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: Patricia really going to be the guy calling plays now,

887
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: like you why can't you can't bring in somebody else?

888
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: But he ends up being right so often that he's

889
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: a really tough guy to question, even if again, as

890
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: the draft resume, is that bad so I'm not with

891
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: you yet because as much as the craft Billichick thing, like,

892
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't think there's summering together. This guy has put

893
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: together two decades that are unmatched, you know, the number

894
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: of division titles, super Bowl appearances, like, he has a

895
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: resume that is unmatched by every single person that's had

896
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: a job in the history of this league. So I

897
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: think it takes more than one in seven ten season.

898
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: That's a little disappointing for them to start having them.

899
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: But here's the So years ago it was called the

900
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: Patriot Way, and the Patriot Way could be defined basically

901
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: by it's not about you, it's about us. Yeah, whatever

902
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: it takes to win, right, team first, whatever takes to win.

903
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: Brady takes pay cuts and then Belichick three years ago,

904
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: according to urban Meyer, and Urban like put Bill's name

905
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: on it, so I imagine it was accurate. Urban Meyer says, like,

906
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: three four years ago, you know, I'm talking to Bill,

907
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: and Bill said, you know, at this point in my career,

908
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm just going to coach guys I want to coach.

909
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: And I thought, whoa, that's about you, not the team,

910
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: and that isn't whatever it takes to win. And I

911
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: thought That's something that Ryan that I think about all

912
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: the time, Like, I never want to be the host

913
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: who walks in and just says this is the way

914
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: I do it. It's not very efficient. I have a

915
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: real passion for horse racing now, and that's just what's

916
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: going to lead the show three days a week. Sorry,

917
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I can't do that. That's just not

918
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. Like I'm going to

919
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: do a show that's going to have some mass appeal. Sorry,

920
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be like I made it. It doesn't matter.

921
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: Drag racing is gonna make the show. No, it's not ever,

922
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: not one time. And so when I heard that quote,

923
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, wait a minute, it's a little Greg Popovich. Like, dude,

924
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: it's six years post Duncan. You had the lowest win

925
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: total odds in the league. Like I don't think de

926
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: Janta Murray's a max guy, but he's your best guy.

927
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: And you couldn't get along with Kauai and Droz and

928
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: left and had his best career year, Like you know

929
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, there is part of me thinking,

930
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: you get really famous, you get rich, you have your legacy,

931
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: and you're just like effort. I'm gonna do what I

932
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: want to do. I kind of feel that with Belichick

933
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. Two kids on the staff that that one.

934
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: Look if you're telling me urban said that, and I again,

935
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: I've forgotten about it, So I'm not I'm not disputing

936
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um, yeah, that's that's not what

937
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: it's really about. I mean, the Patriot Waite thing was

938
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: always kind of bullshit and oversold, and there was a

939
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: weird thing like I was in the Boston media. It

940
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: was like the football beat guys was like, look, I

941
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: come to buy and do like a basketball show and

942
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: it's like NBA huh, you know, it's the Patriot's rolling

943
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, you know you're not on the team, right,

944
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: You're not on the team. So h there was there

945
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: was not every member of the media with the Patriot

946
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: side of it, but you know there was like, oh,

947
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: they only bring in certain character guys and all these

948
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: different things, and then it was like, yeah, I actually

949
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: brought him this guy roughting, this guy roughting this guy,

950
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and so like, you know, he just wants to go

951
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: ahead and and win, which in a weird way, I

952
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: always felt like, you know, you can try to have

953
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: fifty three perfect citizens on the team, but there's really

954
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: good chance there's guys doing stuff. They don't get caught anyway,

955
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: So a couple of guys that are cheaper because they've

956
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: gotten in trouble. I think Herm Edwards once told me

957
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: he's like, I could take four of them because a

958
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, you give me four, because you've

959
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: give me five it's too many. He's like, I can

960
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: handle four guys that are a problem, which I always

961
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: thought was kind of a funny quote. The papavich one, though,

962
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: I think that's his refusal to tank. You know, he's

963
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: talked about it. I respect his position on it, but

964
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: if I own the franchise, i'd go cool theories. It's

965
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: easy for you, with all of these rings to say, hey,

966
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: that's not what we're going to operate. And now we're

967
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: stuck in this middling thing with the least interesting roster

968
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: in the entire NBA. Him not getting along with Kawhi,

969
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: I think was Kawhi more on the medical thing, and honestly,

970
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: now Kawai at two other stops. I don't think Kawhi

971
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: is that easy to get along with. So I wouldn't

972
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: put that one all on Papavich, but it is. It is.

973
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: It is very interesting the combo of like, as you

974
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: get later in life, does your priority change, and it's

975
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: your priority actually what's better for the franchise long term? Papovich.

976
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting discussion. Belichick, it's still too soon.

977
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, you know, something goes wrong. I think

978
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: the Bills are clearly the better team, probably the best

979
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: team in the afcis point. But I'm also not going

980
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: to be shocked if the past find a way with

981
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: a good defense, Mac taking a step forward another year.

982
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know. It's Belichick is a

983
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: really difficult guy to question because it ends up usually

984
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: working out for him, despite the fact I think he

985
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: gets really cute about some stuff that to me feels

986
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: like a waste of time for somebody that's that legendary

987
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: at the job. Okay, So I always feel like part

988
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: of it is just, you know, just being annoying. But

989
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: I always feel like you do get one team as

990
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: a sportscaster that you're a little bit of a fanboy

991
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: and so in California, all right, But I'm a USC guy,

992
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: and I think it's funny Like at this point, I'm

993
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: just leaning into it because it pisses people off so much,

994
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: and I think it's all right. I saw Chip Kelly

995
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: at the nine hundred Club. He knows it, and it's

996
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: like whatever, I like him. So who is yours? Oh

997
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: it's lsu. You know. At this point, it's it's not

998
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: really much of a secret. You know. I feel like

999
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: coming from New England and going Overmont that hasn't had

1000
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: a football team since seventy three, I believe, you know,

1001
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: I fell in love with college football in a way

1002
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: that I didn't really extend. Look, I always loved college football.

1003
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: I love watching it, you know, my dad the Big

1004
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Game or whatever, but I didn't really have an affinity

1005
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: for anything. And there's maybe a little flirtation with Notre

1006
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: Dame as a kid because I love that Tony Rice

1007
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: team and rocket Ishmael and then you know, my first

1008
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: time get to see Colt McCoy, I just loved. I

1009
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: loved the kid. I'm really still in the league. He's

1010
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites, and unfortunately was on

1011
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: the losing side of the greatest single football game I've

1012
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: ever been to when Texas Tech knocked off number one

1013
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: A and m and Oe versus me number one Texas

1014
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: in love it. Yeah, in two thousand and eight, great

1015
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: scorning that I've ever been to. And then you know,

1016
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: I really liked Chip up in or again. But I'll

1017
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: tell you that the LSU experienced the first time it

1018
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: was a whole another level. Man, it was a whole

1019
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: another little I think I've been to sixty plus stadiums, campuses,

1020
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: I've been there for games. It's probably the best part

1021
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: of my entire ESPN run. And so I care about

1022
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: LSU now like I care and I watch. I'll pay

1023
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: attention to a little recruiting stuff. But I'm not a

1024
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: psychopath about it. Like I'm just emotionally different with sports

1025
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: because I've been doing to twenty years. And I'm not

1026
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: saying it's better or worse. It's a little healthier, but

1027
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I actually miss having that emotional mood swing on the line.

1028
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: Get it. Yeah, when the Soxs would blow a save

1029
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: when I was younger, they could blow the save on Monday.

1030
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: I've said the story a million times and I'd still

1031
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: be lingering my head, being like, why the funk they

1032
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: walk the leadoff guy? It'd be Thursday you know, it

1033
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: would still be bothering me. So when the Red Sox,

1034
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: I still care about it. You know, I still care

1035
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: about the Celtics paths. I don't really care as much about,

1036
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, if the Bruins are good, I'll watch a

1037
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: little bit more because I'll talk to some hockey with

1038
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: my father. Are as complete casuals on that one, But

1039
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I'd say between LSU and then I think Saint John's basketball,

1040
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: But it's just kind of a bit off the radar

1041
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: and this expansion stuff that I hate. The first casualty

1042
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: of many casualties, but the first casualty that really bothered

1043
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: me was a Biggia's basketball. It's just not the same.

1044
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: It's never going to be the same again. And I

1045
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: hate it because it was an NBA factory there for

1046
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: a while, and now it feels like a Group of

1047
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: five conference, which sucks. But you know, I still care

1048
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: about Saint John's the volume, make sure to check out

1049
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: the Draymon Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into the

1050
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: volume because one of the more entertaining voices in sports.

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