Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 2: At SVU podcast, my name is Lisa and my name
Speaker 2: is Kara, and every week we take you into the
Speaker 2: depths of an SVU episode as well as the true
Speaker 2: crime it was based on.
Speaker 3: And we talk to a guest.
Speaker 1: Not today, but you know a lot of times we do,
Speaker 1: and we've got great guests coming up, so don't worry
Speaker 1: about that. But today it's just us and we're going
Speaker 1: to chat and listen. This is our first time talking
Speaker 1: intro wise on the pod since the election, and we
Speaker 1: don't have to dwell on it. But we're not happy.
Speaker 1: I don't think I need to tell you guys that.
Speaker 2: No, there's fear, there's dread, and then there's moments of
Speaker 2: joy on the micro level because people around me are good,
Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, there's community and art and like things,
Speaker 2: and then but also grateful that I'm not the most
Speaker 2: vulnerable right now. We have to like hold I don't know,
Speaker 2: be there for people it's a nightmare the dread hits.
Speaker 2: But oh my god, yesterday. Okay, so I'm under the weather.
Speaker 2: You might hear this me my voice, but I did
Speaker 2: go out last night and I had spots, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't touching people right like if you wanted a hug.
Speaker 3: I was like, listen, I'm feeling under the weather, like elbows, elbows.
Speaker 2: And then a comic, who I fucking hate, part of
Speaker 2: the little Nazi free speech brigade. He came to say hi,
Speaker 2: and I gave him two high fives with my germy
Speaker 2: jermy hand.
Speaker 1: You're like, actually, I've always wanted to kiss you. Get
Speaker 1: in here, buddy. Yeah, but then.
Speaker 2: He heard he actually saw me to someone else be
Speaker 2: like I'm under the weather elbow and then he took
Speaker 2: hands sanitates er out and put it on his hands.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did it on purpose, bitch, I am
Speaker 2: a terrorist. No, And and this leads to this next thing.
Speaker 2: If you voted for our new president, we would prefer
Speaker 2: I don't know, this isn't for you.
Speaker 1: This show's up for you.
Speaker 2: You don't get to enjoy our our our work, our
Speaker 2: labor in then vote against everything we believe in with
Speaker 2: our show and the subject matter, but with the other
Speaker 2: people that listen to us. So if you want to
Speaker 2: vote for scum, go listen to kid rock Like there
Speaker 2: you know Tim Allen I think has a few movies out.
Speaker 1: You can go watch that.
Speaker 2: Like, you don't get to fucking vote against us, our
Speaker 2: rights and the people.
Speaker 3: I enjoy our ship.
Speaker 1: I know our people are feeling stressed. And if you
Speaker 1: think that this is the guy that's gonna fucking fix it,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're the place. I don't think we're the place for
Speaker 1: this isn't for you. Don't write a thing of Oh
Speaker 1: but you're not being tolerant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm not tolerant of your dumba fucking ass
Speaker 2: if you're if you're voting for policy that's gonna endanger
Speaker 2: human lives here, Like, go fuck yourself. You don't get
Speaker 2: to listen to our podcast. Get gone. You are not welcome.
Speaker 2: I mean you need you, Like.
Speaker 3: If he gets rid of the ACA, I lose my insurance.
Speaker 1: That's my health insurance for my family that I already
Speaker 1: say a lot for Like what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have? Like you know, it's like these are
Speaker 1: real like stresses people have and people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: but eggs. It's like, I know, there's he's he literally
Speaker 1: is hiring Elon Musk. He's hiring all these people to
Speaker 1: do jobs they don't know how to. Like that are insane.
Speaker 1: It's just so crazy.
Speaker 2: The Department of Education, Environment, FDA, health, everything is gonna
Speaker 2: be run by Bozo Claris.
Speaker 1: Kay An anti vaxer is gonna be leading like the
Speaker 1: Department of Health. Whatever.
Speaker 2: I just I'm sorry to you. Yeah, as listeners, you know,
Speaker 2: we're pissed. We want to make sure that if you
Speaker 2: voted for him, you are not wealthy come to listen
Speaker 2: to us. We do not want you here and the
Speaker 2: rest of us, you know, we're enraged. We're gonna have
Speaker 2: constant thoughts and feelings about it. But I also want
Speaker 2: to do the show that we love to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, I don't want to ignore the dread
Speaker 2: and you know, horrors, and I hope I'm wrong about everything,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we obviously we're obviously going to use our
Speaker 1: platform to like, you know, resist as much as we can.
Speaker 1: We'll be sharing information over the next like however many
Speaker 1: years into we last or this pot or this presidency last,
Speaker 1: like we'll be sharing information on how to and resources
Speaker 1: and stuff. But and I hope everybody is doing okay
Speaker 1: out there, especially people that, yeah, this is going to
Speaker 1: affect the most directly. But unfortunately, I think people that
Speaker 1: voted for him, this is gonna affect very directly.
Speaker 3: Well that's the batligning for me.
Speaker 2: At least the people that voted for him, their lives
Speaker 2: will get worse too. And that's all I really have
Speaker 2: to cling on too, because I can't wait till your
Speaker 2: kids don't have schools to go to and there's no
Speaker 2: food on the show. At least you're you're suffering, and
Speaker 2: that's all that these people that are like, don't worry
Speaker 2: if he comes for you, I'll still fight for your rights,
Speaker 2: not me. I'll step on your fucking throat as I
Speaker 2: step over your body, Like that's.
Speaker 1: How I feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for your life to get worse.
Speaker 2: I hope your farm goes under your crops fucking dust up.
Speaker 2: I hope your car breaking. I hope you Yeah, I
Speaker 2: hope you can never go to the doctor again. I
Speaker 2: hope the worst, and I hope the worst for all
Speaker 2: the fifteen million that decided not to vote to yeah,
Speaker 2: not only vote for him. The people that were like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna make a stand, well cool, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Well the.
Speaker 3: Soviet Union States of America.
Speaker 1: Here we are. RFK is gonna take the fluoride out
Speaker 1: of the water. Okay, but and we're not gonna be
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen. We're not gonna be Andy Cohen.
Speaker 2: And watch what happens live going it's a great country
Speaker 2: and it's the country I love, and half.
Speaker 3: The population's happy. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: Alwa is that what he said?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Everyone is.
Speaker 2: I got messages from clothing browns already like cool red,
Speaker 2: Like people want, people want their jobs, people want their listeners.
Speaker 2: Because there was like a caller and watch what happens
Speaker 2: that was like, ugh, this gross country and he goes, No.
Speaker 1: America is amazing and we love it here.
Speaker 2: And like the day after the election, I mean, they're
Speaker 2: all gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: No, Andy, they all are gonna do it.
Speaker 2: And I saw a thing online about like all this
Speaker 2: all these white women, they're all don't don't let the
Speaker 2: turfs get you, don't. Yeah, it's all it happens fast.
Speaker 1: And you know, my friend I mean, my friend who
Speaker 1: lives in La He's he's like, he's like he says
Speaker 1: he's going to Canada because he's like the training wheels
Speaker 1: are off. He's like, this is like he's gonna go
Speaker 1: around things. Because I was texting him because he's he
Speaker 1: knows like a lot. I was like, is he really
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of the ACA? Like that's my insurance?
Speaker 1: Like I'm really nervous, and she was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll do He'll probably not do anything legally, like
Speaker 1: it would go around, it would circumvent legal channels. So
Speaker 1: who fucking knows. I'm just gonna like hold my nose
Speaker 1: and try to get through the next four years. I
Speaker 1: don't know how we're gonna fucking do it. And if
Speaker 1: you're one of these people that's like I come to
Speaker 1: this podcast to escape and not hear about politics, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is a podcast about crimes against women
Speaker 1: and children and the justice system, and that's just intrinsically
Speaker 1: linked to politics. And you know how we fit. Our
Speaker 1: president's a rapists. Yeah, that's another thing. Our president's a
Speaker 1: rapist who almost played a part on an SVU. If
Speaker 1: you can believe that he was almost in the episode design.
Speaker 1: According to SVU inside Information, apparently, anyway, how have you
Speaker 1: been other than that, I haven't seen you in a
Speaker 1: long time? Has uh what's been going on? I mean
Speaker 1: a hard time living with these radiators. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a lot winter. It's going to be a winter.
Speaker 1: I am struggling, I am sick. I could barely breathe.
Speaker 1: I'm not sleeping through the night.
Speaker 3: Are the radiators just like trying you out? Is that
Speaker 3: the deal?
Speaker 1: Like? Because that's what I remember.
Speaker 2: Well, they're also clinging and clanging, and it's also just hot.
Speaker 2: I have the full but I can't fully open the
Speaker 2: window because it's the city streets of New York in
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 3: But my air conditioners on, all the fans are on.
Speaker 2: My window is fully open at all times, and it
Speaker 2: is just blasting heat. I am sick, I'm coughing, and
Speaker 2: I if you've never lived in New York City, this
Speaker 2: is just a thing we have to deal with. Is
Speaker 2: that a lot of the buildings there is no little
Speaker 2: thermostat on your wall that tells you what can like,
Speaker 2: what temperature you want to make it. It's literally just
Speaker 2: heat when it wants to be heat and then it's not.
Speaker 1: So that was how my apartment was too, and it
Speaker 1: was and there's not very many like tips. There's just
Speaker 1: like put a towel and are a blanket on it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, that literally sounds like a fire
Speaker 1: hazard of some kind too. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: I know they're like, just put a wet towel on.
Speaker 2: I'm like, won't. It's sizzle. I mean, I'm lucky to
Speaker 2: have a way.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about you in a boiling hot apartment with
Speaker 1: bracelet glue, just like working on your racelesson getting poisoned.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: Casey Muskraves is this week, Taylor Swift's next week. I
Speaker 2: wish I got to enjoy the Swift concert with like
Speaker 2: a different type of prevent presidency.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: So funny that it's already November because we were someone
Speaker 2: was talking about the you know, the Paul Tyson fight
Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, what, No, that's in November
Speaker 2: and they're like it's no Vember?
Speaker 1: No, what what? I can't believe it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Lisa's not going at Taylor for like a month, Like
Speaker 1: I completely what's the date again?
Speaker 2: The twenty first, and then my show's the twenty second,
Speaker 2: So if you guys can come November twenty second, Yes,
Speaker 2: you can see me do comedy.
Speaker 3: You see Lisa at the Royal.
Speaker 1: If you go to That's Messed Up Live, or you
Speaker 1: go to Lisa's Instagram, you can see, like on Lat's
Speaker 1: Mess Up Live, it says Lisa's website and it's or
Speaker 1: Lisa's Instagram and that has like the link tree to
Speaker 1: all the tickets. But that's where you guys saw us.
Speaker 1: That's a great venue. Go check it out and it'll
Speaker 1: be the day after, so you'll have all your stories
Speaker 1: from the concert, right, yeah, and hopefully my voice, but
Speaker 1: I all, yeah, I'm it's really excited. It's nearing and
Speaker 1: nearing and you have the outfit. I placed my vote.
Speaker 1: I did vote in the poll. Yeah, I won't go
Speaker 1: the floral one. People like the floral Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I voted for me. Yeah, people like it.
Speaker 2: It's the most like in theme and I could wear
Speaker 2: my glitter one the next day.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's gonna pop in pictures. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be like those are your pictures from it? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: And Julia is wearing like a black sea through reputation
Speaker 2: style things, so we could both be in black.
Speaker 1: And be a little bit well.
Speaker 2: It's like the flowers from her piano from her surprise song.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, okay, sick.
Speaker 2: And then it's also a nod like copy dupe of
Speaker 2: her Grammy dress in the folklore era. Got it okay,
Speaker 2: So that's what that is. But she dropped her holiday
Speaker 2: collection today. I will not be buying it, do not worry.
Speaker 1: Wait, but speaking of a holiday collection, we don't have
Speaker 1: a collection, but we have one item in our shop.
Speaker 1: We have that's messed Up holiday ornament. It's very cute.
Speaker 1: It's like our little logo and it says, hope your
Speaker 1: holidays are messed up you guys. You should get it
Speaker 1: for your tree, for your hanka bush, for your office.
Speaker 1: And it's available at our store, which you can you know,
Speaker 1: click on through our Instagram or shop our merch at
Speaker 1: that's messed Up live dot com. And yeah, just wanted
Speaker 1: to shout out the shout out the ornament, but also, yeah,
Speaker 1: the holidays are coming up, guys. Shop all of our stuff.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of do have children detective stuff.
Speaker 1: We've still got a few purple sweatshirts available. The fanny
Speaker 1: packs are on sale.
Speaker 3: We got stuff. Get on there. Get shopping.
Speaker 1: Also a big life milestone for me as I did
Speaker 1: go to Medieval Times for the first time.
Speaker 2: What did you get? Because you can't eat a turkey leg?
Speaker 2: What do they give you meal?
Speaker 1: No? They So I took Rosie I was. I was
Speaker 1: a chaperone on a rosy field trip to medieval Times,
Speaker 1: which some of the parents in the group. In our
Speaker 1: group chat were like why and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, It's just fun, like just let it go.
Speaker 1: So we took them to medieval Times on a bus
Speaker 1: and I got my meal was like fruit and apasta
Speaker 1: salad with veggies that that I thought was, I mean,
Speaker 1: pretty good for medieval Times. A lot of the kids
Speaker 1: did not want the food. They just like, I think,
Speaker 1: eating with their hands and like just ripping apart at chicken.
Speaker 1: They're only five, you know, they were kind of like what.
Speaker 1: But some were really going to town on it and
Speaker 1: having a blast. But they were mesmerized by the performance.
Speaker 1: I mean like they loved it. They were loving it,
Speaker 1: and I was only vaguely tuning into like the story
Speaker 1: of like oh, the night has to fight for me
Speaker 1: because of blah blah blah, because I was helping so
Speaker 1: many kids like open packages and open water bottles and stuff.
Speaker 1: But they did like a whole thing about social media
Speaker 1: where they were like, I don't have a device that
Speaker 1: sends magic communications and pretending like they didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was. But then the whole lesson was like, if
Speaker 1: you use social media, don't spread rumors, like make sure
Speaker 1: that you're not like spreading misinformation. Like if you get
Speaker 1: if you see something, just make sure you fact check it.
Speaker 1: Like that seemed to be the message at medieval times,
Speaker 1: and that was really making me laugh, especially because five
Speaker 1: year olds they had no fucking idea. But there were
Speaker 1: all aged kids there. It's a real shit show there
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. It's just a billion
Speaker 1: children and screaming, and they're like, if you've got a
Speaker 1: yellow car, to go over there, if your card is green,
Speaker 1: go over there.
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy, but you know, we had a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I only went once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went once, and I remember I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Oh and some of those nights could get it.
Speaker 1: There were some hot nights. I mean, like we're in
Speaker 1: La so I'm sure some of them are like trying
Speaker 1: to be actors and aren't hot. It was it was cute.
Speaker 1: I caught a carnation from one of them. Rosie and
Speaker 1: I were like holding our hands up when he was
Speaker 1: throwing carnations and he threw one right at us. We
Speaker 1: caught it, gave it to Rosie. Wow, I unlike, unlike,
Speaker 1: what was that? Did you see some fuck? Uh? I
Speaker 1: know we're a little bit past, like the big baseball
Speaker 1: season and all, like the World Series stuff, but like
Speaker 1: those fans that just ripped a baseball out of the
Speaker 1: player's mitt, Yeah, of course I saw that. Like just
Speaker 1: people are it's psychotic. It's psychotic.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is the guy that did that with
Speaker 2: the Cubs like twenty years ago truly had to go
Speaker 2: into witness protection, like if they were got him apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah Bart something.
Speaker 3: I was like, is it Bart may On or something?
Speaker 1: But I mean enemy number one And now.
Speaker 2: People are like yeah, so it's kind of but it's
Speaker 2: disgusting and I'm glad that they lost, like because there
Speaker 2: was two like the beginning of the series. Someone just
Speaker 2: caught it and it was kind of like an axe
Speaker 2: maybe not like it was a little rough and tumble,
Speaker 2: but not And then the second time it was like
Speaker 2: they were one of them was opening this man like.
Speaker 1: This guy's glove. It was abuse, Like they should be
Speaker 1: banned for life. It was.
Speaker 2: It was really insane. Honestly, Yeah, it's it's well level
Speaker 2: at all. Well, also, I caught that on the internet. Also,
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a bit of a situation
Speaker 2: myself on the Internet where I'm waking up every single
Speaker 2: morning to fifty comments from people telling me that I
Speaker 2: look like Gail from Bob's Burgers, because well, no, first
Speaker 2: of all, like so just for contact everybody, I went
Speaker 2: on my friend Steph Tolev's podcast called Steph Infection, and
Speaker 2: she's like, does anyone ever tell you look like someone
Speaker 2: from Bob's Burgers? And I go, yeah, I get Linda
Speaker 2: a lot because people say I have like Linda energy
Speaker 2: or whatever, and I kind of style my hair where
Speaker 2: it flips on the bottom or whatever, and so I've
Speaker 2: gotten Linda f YOUTI have.
Speaker 3: She goes, are you kidding? You look like Gail?
Speaker 1: And then I know the show vaguely, so I knew
Speaker 1: who Gail was, but like she whips out a picture
Speaker 1: and it's just like a woman with a chin that
Speaker 1: goes right into a neck, which is so insulting, and
Speaker 1: so I like fake, I'm fake yelling at my friend.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is what you fucking
Speaker 1: think of me, like I'm yelling at her. And then
Speaker 1: obviously the clip is funny. I look like I'm getting
Speaker 1: really reled up. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not upset. Do I think I look like Gail?
Speaker 3: Not really? I asked my children. They said no.
Speaker 1: But like I'm yelling at Steph to just be funny
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and everyone's like, she's so pressed, she's
Speaker 1: so mad.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is so Gail.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, I'm fine with the comments,
Speaker 1: except the ones that are going it's the fact that
Speaker 1: she has no jawline.
Speaker 3: I'm like, stop, it's so mean.
Speaker 1: Don't say I have no jaw line. I think I
Speaker 1: actually have a pretty big chit.
Speaker 3: I've been really sensitivebout my chin my whole life.
Speaker 1: It's very big. But they think it just blends right
Speaker 1: into my neck and that I have bangs and that
Speaker 1: I talk like I'm from the Midwest, because Gail talks like,
Speaker 1: you know, right, isn't she like Linda bab like she
Speaker 1: talks like a Midwest person and how does Linda. But
Speaker 1: Linda's more New Yorky. I think Linda's more well, she's
Speaker 1: a little bit bob but like she's like, oh, what
Speaker 1: do you guys do in where we go? When I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I'm just making these sound exactly the
Speaker 1: same Casey's nodding.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I love.
Speaker 1: John Roberts, I love the guy who voices Linda, and
Speaker 1: I love Megan Malally Like it's not, uh, I'm not.
Speaker 1: It's just to wake up every morning and have everybody
Speaker 1: telling you that you look like this fucking dorky looking character.
Speaker 1: But I think she's a beloved character. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to take it too personally. But it has like.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like creeping up on a million views,
Speaker 3: like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like people just love seeing people get mad on the internet,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody thinks I'm super pissed in the video,
Speaker 1: so they're all just like, wait.
Speaker 3: Are you paying attention to the chicken fry?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I heard about this on who Weekly, you know,
Speaker 1: my my source for all like C lists celebrity and
Speaker 1: I just don't know who these people are. He's a
Speaker 1: country singer. She's Ariana chicken Fry. What I just read that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: saw that they are Brianna. Sorry, sorry I read You know,
Speaker 1: chicken Fry is not her name. Someone just her legs
Speaker 1: look like chicken fries and then chicken fries. Yes, and
Speaker 1: and she's like a beautiful girl. I'm like, wow, if
Speaker 1: I can, if she can just be called chicken Fry, now,
Speaker 1: I guess I can be Gail, you know whatever. We
Speaker 1: all just have to we have to be what the
Speaker 1: internet calls us. But but like what happened, like because
Speaker 1: when I had listened to the episode on Weekly, it
Speaker 1: was so new in the breakup that they had just
Speaker 1: sort of both posted it and you couldn't tell who
Speaker 1: was at fault or whatever.
Speaker 3: Is there more gossip to it or what?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's goss Okay, Like, if she
Speaker 2: was my friend, I'd probably go to her house, take
Speaker 2: her phone and say why don't we why don't we.
Speaker 3: Go up stake for a couple of days?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would.
Speaker 1: If I was a good friend of hers, I'd be like, honey,
Speaker 1: let's not let's stop going on live. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I'd be there for her. Oh, I believe her.
Speaker 1: I think he was probably abusive.
Speaker 2: He emotionally control it like it was, you know, ruined everything.
Speaker 2: So basically, she has a podcast with one of the
Speaker 2: scum of the earth, Dave Portnoy. Even though I love Peaches,
Speaker 2: he did vote for Trump and go for herself, so
Speaker 2: and he's barstool. I don't know why I thought I was,
Speaker 2: but I was mesmerized by Peaches. I do love this dog,
Speaker 2: and so miss Peaches my bad. So Brianna, this other
Speaker 2: young guy and Dave Portnoy have like a bff's podcast,
Speaker 2: and so she did an episode of this podcast kind
Speaker 2: of talking about the breakoup because they broke up and
Speaker 2: then he posted about it right away online and without
Speaker 2: any warning to her, right, and so she just kind
Speaker 2: of opened up and was like, yeah, the night of
Speaker 2: the Grammy or the Golden Globes, he's texting me you
Speaker 2: look like shit, You're like a slut. I can't believe
Speaker 2: I'm dating someone that looks like you, like all this
Speaker 2: mean stuff, but then posting gorgeous photos of her, going wow,
Speaker 2: look at my beautiful girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And so there's just a.
Speaker 2: Lot of like and people that listen all the time,
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, she has lost a lot of weight
Speaker 2: and looked more stressed than on edge, and I was
Speaker 2: emotionally abused. I know what this is like, someone controlling
Speaker 2: and ruining your life and wanting to change you.
Speaker 3: And so I think he probably cheated on her.
Speaker 2: She gave him everything she had and he kind of
Speaker 2: treated her like shit, and she's a shame that she
Speaker 2: stayed with someone like that. But because of her erratic
Speaker 2: online behavior and talking so much about it, and because
Speaker 2: she's a woman, there's obviously tons of people that are like,
Speaker 2: you're the crazy one now, bitch, don't you know?
Speaker 1: We don't care.
Speaker 2: And so but Zack Bryan's getting roasted, like people are
Speaker 2: speaking out against him and they hate him, and.
Speaker 3: So like, I'm not So that's all I know.
Speaker 1: But now the other layer is that Zach Bryan offered
Speaker 1: her twelve million dollars to sign an NDA and two properties,
Speaker 1: and she turned it down because other of his exes
Speaker 1: have done it.
Speaker 3: And she goes, I can make my own money.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have control over me, and like
Speaker 2: forever he would have this over me and I can't
Speaker 2: speak and it's like my voice. Yeah, but her best friend,
Speaker 2: this girl Grace. They have a podcast together. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's still going on or if there was
Speaker 2: a rift or what, but like they're these best friends,
Speaker 2: and people are saying, since she's not speaking, maybe she
Speaker 2: took the money and signed an NDA, like the best friend.
Speaker 1: Oh shit.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of a rumor too. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: that's why because it was like twelve million dollars. So
Speaker 2: people are like, oh my god, she didn't sign the NDA.
Speaker 1: Damn. I'm just looking at him. I don't like the
Speaker 1: look of this guy. I don't like the life. He
Speaker 1: looks like a purp on SVU or something. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: no East gross. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure.
Speaker 2: She was excited to date him and they had something
Speaker 2: and you know, patterns and shit like I don't really know,
Speaker 2: but I would be like, let's let's take a trip
Speaker 2: if she was my friend. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: Grace signed a thing.
Speaker 1: Or what, like I take the focus off, let's stop
Speaker 1: focusing on this and maybe go to OHI or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you, damn.
Speaker 2: But you're allowed to fucking get dumped and go crazy online,
Speaker 2: like allowed to process, okay, process things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I hope she has a good friend right
Speaker 1: now it feels like maybe not.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so I don't know what's going on with
Speaker 2: this friendship because they've started touring kind of separate and
Speaker 2: doing separate things, and like I don't I don't really know.
Speaker 2: But I saw them together at the Tom Brady Roast
Speaker 2: whenever that was in May. Oh yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 2: don't know, kind of like I I just uh, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm still I'm still about all about Moodang, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I still am looking at
Speaker 2: like twenty to forty photos of Moodang a day.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: That's that's what's keeping me going.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, though, this is circling back. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm not glad that you're not feeling good and have
Speaker 1: a cold, but I'm sort of glad that it's happening
Speaker 1: now so you'll be totally healthy by next week for
Speaker 1: the big knock yeah yeah, knock on wood.
Speaker 3: You know it's like you just have to sleep. It's annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I know you're and I guess I'm
Speaker 1: the go Yeah, let's sorright, we gotta see. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: start that one of my favorites, one of my favorites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is going back into the vault or
Speaker 1: the early season. So let's go, okay, we are doing
Speaker 1: the episode guilt.
Speaker 3: It is season three, episode eighteen, and.
Speaker 1: I like, I confuse it with yeah, but I forgot
Speaker 1: which one this was until the minute it started. I go, okay,
Speaker 1: this one, but it was like it gave me kind
Speaker 1: of the feeling of watching it anew, even though I
Speaker 1: have seen it like ten times. So it opens the
Speaker 1: cold open opens with a man walking into a train
Speaker 1: station and he greets a teen boy with a hug.
Speaker 1: Oh Sammy, good to see you. Glad you called. The
Speaker 1: teen looks like upset. He's like, something happened my mom.
Speaker 1: I think she knows, and like the minute you hear that,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I thought this was like an uncle
Speaker 1: or something, or an old teacher. This is not good.
Speaker 1: The grown man looks very mind open. I know I knew,
Speaker 1: we knew they were a MELA station, but the way
Speaker 1: they played at the beginning, he is like, hey, what's up.
Speaker 1: They're happy to see each other, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: an old coach, Like I don't know, and then grown
Speaker 1: man looks very concerned and he's like, did you say anything?
Speaker 1: And then we see Finn kind of skulking around in
Speaker 1: the background, so we know the is a bust. And
Speaker 1: then the team Clockspin, who was wearing the most obvious
Speaker 1: earpiece of all time, like, I mean Finn's earpiece, like
Speaker 1: he's got his slick back ponytail.
Speaker 3: And the earpieces like hello, it's me.
Speaker 1: And then Maloney is there ear pieces also popping, and
Speaker 1: then we cut to the oldest looking tape recorder of
Speaker 1: all time, like it looks like from the eighties when
Speaker 1: there's like a ransom like message sent and it's Alex
Speaker 1: Cabot is in another room listening to the whole conversation
Speaker 1: between the kid and the guy go down. So this
Speaker 1: kid's wearing a wire. This is a full bust. The
Speaker 1: kid's mom is also in the room with Cabbage. She
Speaker 1: looks very stressed. The adult man keeps saying, don't worry,
Speaker 1: nothing illegal happened. We're just good friends. I mean yuck,
Speaker 1: And then back to the station live in montre there
Speaker 1: as well, watching from afar. This kid is getting more pressure.
Speaker 1: Is he's seasoned? He's seasoned, Yes, he knows Durindez. Say it, well,
Speaker 1: say it and write it. Regret it?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, say it, forget it, write it, regret it.
Speaker 1: So this guy is like, you know, just like we're
Speaker 1: good baby, no worries, and then the teen is just
Speaker 1: getting more and more stressed, and finally he tells the
Speaker 1: guy run and he's like huh and he's like they're listening. Run.
Speaker 3: So then there's a chase in the train station.
Speaker 1: This guy avoids all the cops like somehow, he's like
Speaker 1: random people are getting taken down, and then Finn cuts
Speaker 1: him off and totally grabs him, which is very fun
Speaker 1: and exciting little chase, and then they haul this guy
Speaker 1: off lives like what the fuck just happened? And Craigan,
Speaker 1: Cabot and the mom they must have been literally in
Speaker 1: a room right off of the train station because now
Speaker 1: they're there and they're like the kid warned him, and
Speaker 1: the mom is like, you did good, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you told a pedophile to run, So I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want a victim blame, but you did not
Speaker 1: do amazing, sweetie. And then Cabot's like, you guys, it
Speaker 1: wasn't enough. And that's the credits, So already, what's happening
Speaker 1: where I'm intrigued.
Speaker 3: In cement room bars now with this man.
Speaker 1: His name is Roy Barnett and his lawyer is Roger
Speaker 1: crest Or, a shark played by the late great net Eisenberg.
Speaker 1: Bent's and his table are trying to get him to
Speaker 1: talk and trying to bluff that everything he said on
Speaker 1: the tape is incriminating, but like this guy kind of
Speaker 1: knows what's up, and he's We find out that this
Speaker 1: guy's been bringing Sam kavanaughf this team to his apartment
Speaker 1: for four years. I'm molesting him and the guy's like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: He's a troubled teen. He makes stuff up to see
Speaker 1: what will happen. And they're like how howe yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you said the exact same thing about another boy in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five and then another boy in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: and it's like you always know those are just the
Speaker 1: ones that he's getting caught for, you know. And he
Speaker 1: says he spends time with Sam because he feels bad
Speaker 1: for him. He needs a father figure, boys need to
Speaker 1: talk to a man, et cetera, et cetera. He's just
Speaker 1: like I just feel so responsible and like, I have
Speaker 1: to help teens.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about me. I'm just
Speaker 3: such a good guy.
Speaker 1: And he claims that these incidents in nineteen eighty five
Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety were like misunderstanding whatever, but he did
Speaker 1: serve time for them and had like a parole officer
Speaker 1: and everything. So on the other side of the glass
Speaker 1: watching this interrogation is Cabot, Daddy, Craigan, and Huang. They
Speaker 1: all know this guy is putting on an act. They're
Speaker 1: like the Oscar goes to this fucking perve. Cabot and
Speaker 1: Craigan don't understand why the boy has been working with
Speaker 1: them for a month and then still chose to sabotage
Speaker 1: the whole operation. And Wong says, because part of Sam
Speaker 1: cares for this guy. I mean he's been four years.
Speaker 1: Sam told his mom about the abuse, but the mom
Speaker 1: is the one who called the cops. Like Sam is
Speaker 1: kind of protecting this guy because it is a man
Speaker 1: in his mind who he loves and who loves him.
Speaker 1: And Cabot's like, whatever, we don't have a case. Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: we got to get the kid to testify. And he's like, Huong,
Speaker 1: you talk to him find out where his head is.
Speaker 1: And Huong's like, ah, victims this kid's age think because
Speaker 1: their assailant is male, they're worried that they might be gay,
Speaker 1: and my present might be presents might be seen as
Speaker 1: an accusation.
Speaker 3: And I always wonder if he's saying that.
Speaker 1: Because he's gay or just because he's a man and
Speaker 1: they think a woman should talk to him.
Speaker 3: I think because I don't think he's come out at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: No, they didn't even think. They didn't even think about that,
Speaker 2: you know, because yeah, when B. D. Wong was on,
Speaker 2: he said it, it was kind of annoying. He felt
Speaker 2: like they shoehorned it in, right, right, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it is Neil Bear so.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, Okay, so it could be a subtle hint, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who knows. But Huang goes, listen, remember that this kid
Speaker 1: thinks this whole thing is his fault, and the hardest
Speaker 1: part is going to be convincing him that he's wrong.
Speaker 1: So now Cabot goes to talk to Sam and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, love Cabot, gorgeous, very competent, not the warmest
Speaker 1: woman in the world to like really go heart to
Speaker 1: heart with a teen, you know, like, and she's like no,
Speaker 1: you're like sorry, the law's the lot and the child
Speaker 1: is going to prison. Yeah yeah, and she's like I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you had to go through this. Like she's just
Speaker 1: very like you know, dead pan, and she's like and
Speaker 1: no one is mad at you for telling him what happened.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, right, you guys are pissed. I
Speaker 1: blew it like I know you're mad. And Cabot's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's okay to care about what happens to him. None
Speaker 1: of this is your fault. And his immediate reaction is
Speaker 1: to clarify I'm not gay, I have a girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: Cabot's like okay, and then he starts screaming like I'm
Speaker 1: not a slur. I want to go home, Like he's
Speaker 1: said a slur a couple times, like he's very concerned
Speaker 1: that that's what she thinks. And then he runs out
Speaker 1: and his mom is there with the entire squad and
Speaker 1: he wants to leave, and the mom's like, okay, we're
Speaker 1: done here. We tried to help you guys out, We're done,
Speaker 1: Like this is over. She's like I cannot put him
Speaker 1: through this whole thing again. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And they're like, Okay, well, Barnett's gonna get out and
Speaker 1: of jail tomorrow. We don't have much time. Kragan's like
Speaker 1: track down Barnett's court mandated therapist from his earlier charges,
Speaker 1: which I don't know why the guy's allowed to talk
Speaker 1: to them, but I'll get into that. Stable's like, we
Speaker 1: got to get into his apartment. Guys like this collect
Speaker 1: mementos and you know, keepsakes from their crimes.
Speaker 3: Do we have cause for a warrant?
Speaker 1: And Cabot goes plenty and I'm like, why wasn't this
Speaker 1: done immediately after the accusation was filed, Like why, Like
Speaker 1: they've been serving this guy for a month, but he
Speaker 1: was accused. Why wouldn't that be enough for a warrant?
Speaker 1: I guess maybe because it's like he said, he said,
Speaker 1: he said. I don't know. But at Barnett's apartment, it
Speaker 1: turns out Stabler was wrong. They cannot find any stuff
Speaker 1: from this guy's victims. Just a ton of hetero adult porn.
Speaker 1: It's like, as they say in the episode, it's a
Speaker 1: teen boy paradise, but nothing is illegal. So now we're
Speaker 1: at teru and friend of the pod at Ruben Morales
Speaker 1: is Joel de la Fuente is there and he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: this computer is like two hundred gigs and it's like
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety nine gigs are porn, but nothing
Speaker 1: with kids, he says. He's like, it also looks like
Speaker 1: this guy clears out his hard drive daily and uses
Speaker 1: a scrubbing software shifts at all. No normal normal you
Speaker 1: need to get the old porn out and get the
Speaker 1: new porn in. You know, you got to clear every day.
Speaker 1: So this guy's using like a pretty high tech scrubbing software,
Speaker 1: so they can't even find the deleted images. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like always like, oh no, it's in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: You just got to find a nerd to find it
Speaker 1: for you. No, this guy uses the software, so it's gone.
Speaker 1: He said, if you gave me six months and fifty
Speaker 1: K and an electron microscope, I might be able to
Speaker 1: find something. But there's also no guarantees, so we're not
Speaker 1: giving you all that stuff. Sorry about that, Morales. So
Speaker 1: Finn and Munch are now talking to this therapist who
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess is just allowed to say
Speaker 1: whatever because the guy is a criminal. He's just like
Speaker 1: kind of telling them. It seems like it'll be privileged,
Speaker 1: but he's just like, Okay, I'm an open book. And
Speaker 1: he's like Barnett was one of the most gifted liars
Speaker 1: I've ever met, Like he fooled everyone into thinking he
Speaker 1: was cured, but I could tell it was an act.
Speaker 1: And the therapist is like, oh, he just loved listening
Speaker 1: to the other sex offenders disclose their crimes like this guy.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe because it's parole group, it's not the same
Speaker 1: as a therapist. Oh okay, Okay, that's just a guess.
Speaker 3: That's just a guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could be to other episodes, because I feel like
Speaker 2: those guys always talk.
Speaker 1: I remember them they were looking for Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: there's like women that are like that run victim groups
Speaker 1: that are like I can't say anything or no one
Speaker 1: will come to our victim groups. But I guess this
Speaker 1: is different because they're assailants. So yeah, like that was
Speaker 1: just that's just some ethics and not like ethical, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably it. So he goes guys like this, The
Speaker 1: shrink goes guys like this are why I left this
Speaker 1: prison system and started teaching. At one point, he says,
Speaker 1: Barnett admitted to molesting over one hundred boys. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't get why you didn't have to disclose that,
Speaker 1: Like that's a crime. You would have had to say.
Speaker 1: But I guess again, he's like a prison therapist. Probably
Speaker 1: hears about crimes all the time. They're like, oh, any names,
Speaker 1: dates or places, and they're like, no, he's smart, Like
Speaker 1: he's too smart for that. He's more calculating than your
Speaker 1: average pedophile. He's a true predator, unrepentant and unstoppable, and
Speaker 1: no amount of therapy will change him. Yikes.
Speaker 3: Scary.
Speaker 1: So next that's I think they lay that out for
Speaker 1: you so that it kind of excuses why Cabot is
Speaker 1: like going to the ends of the earth in this episode.
Speaker 1: So next scene, we've got Bureau chief Elizabeth Donnelly in
Speaker 1: her first ever appearance on SVU. This is her first moment,
Speaker 1: her first episode episode, the episode Guilt is first. She's
Speaker 1: a bitch from moment one. I mean they hit the
Speaker 1: ground running, sure, like, yeah, they never liked each other,
Speaker 1: but I guess there's respect, but like, no nonsense from
Speaker 1: the get go. Have you heard all this stuff that
Speaker 1: Judith Light, Like, I know we've I've read the thing
Speaker 1: about how she told Stephanie Marsh like, you don't need
Speaker 1: to have kids, like you can have a perfectly great
Speaker 1: life without kids. But she also lives I think, on
Speaker 1: an opposite coast from her husband, like her and her
Speaker 1: husband lived in live ins suppert homes, and she's like,
Speaker 1: that's how marriage works for me, babies, and that's how
Speaker 1: I do it. We've been happily married for decades, and
Speaker 1: I just think Judith Light is the shit and if
Speaker 1: anyone knows her, we need her, we want her. She's
Speaker 1: laying into Cabot, like you guys don't have shit. How
Speaker 1: much more time and how many more resources are you
Speaker 1: gonna waste on this? And Cabot's like, this guy's smart,
Speaker 1: but I know we can get him. And Donaldy's like,
Speaker 1: I had your job for ten years. None of these
Speaker 1: guys are Rhodes scholars. And then Cabot's like, well, you
Speaker 1: pled this guy down when you had my job, and
Speaker 1: Donaldy's like, how dare you? Like her face is like
Speaker 1: it was a first offense and there was no evidence,
Speaker 1: but let's compare records. Sure, and then she's like shitting
Speaker 1: on Cabot for this being a slam dunk and how
Speaker 1: Cabot totally blew it. I don't get how Cabot gets
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of shit in this episode. Wait,
Speaker 1: how did cabt blow it? I know you're projecting you
Speaker 1: blew it. Yeah, we set this guy up for a
Speaker 1: meet at a busy train station. We did a lot.
Speaker 1: But Cabot is now at the Kavanaugh apartment, Sam's apartment,
Speaker 1: trying to convince his mom to get back on board.
Speaker 1: She She's like, I want to make Barnett paid for
Speaker 1: what he did. He's going to keep doing this if
Speaker 1: we don't get him, and the mom tries to argue,
Speaker 1: but Cabot eventually like brings her around, and she walks
Speaker 1: over to Sam, who's been within ear shot of the
Speaker 1: entire conversation. I mean, he knows what she's about to
Speaker 1: ask him. And she's like, I know this is so hard.
Speaker 1: It's my fault. I'll never forgive myself for letting that
Speaker 1: man get near you. You tell me what you want
Speaker 1: to do, and I'll let this lady go. I'll tell
Speaker 1: her to get out of here. You just tell me,
Speaker 1: and whatever you want to do, we'll do it. Like
Speaker 1: the mom, this is actually like such a lovely scene
Speaker 1: between the mom and the sun. It always this is
Speaker 1: like very touching to me. And then Sam goes, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. I'll do the trial. So he wants to,
Speaker 1: you know, I hopefully he wants to make this guy.
Speaker 1: Put this guy away so we can't do each other kids.
Speaker 1: Sam is now outside the courtroom with Stabler. Stable's trying
Speaker 1: to like relax his nerves, like tell him about how,
Speaker 1: oh I've my first time testifying. I fucked up before testifying,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And he's like, is Roy going to
Speaker 1: be in there? And Maloney says, no, not while you're testifying.
Speaker 1: You never have to see him, and he goes, I
Speaker 1: don't care. But it's like I think you probably do care.
Speaker 1: But it's because this is a grand jury, he doesn't
Speaker 1: actually have to face him. And Stabler's like, no one
Speaker 1: thinks this is easy for you. This takes guts and
Speaker 1: courage and when you're a man, you got to do
Speaker 1: hard stuff and that's what you're doing. So he's Stable's
Speaker 1: really trying to play into this guy's like you know,
Speaker 1: father figure issues his you know his you're straight, you're
Speaker 1: a man, we get it. You're good and so now
Speaker 1: it's time for grand jury. Sam says, the first time
Speaker 1: Barnett made him feel uncomfortable, he was twelve years old. Ugh.
Speaker 1: He was at Barnett's home. They were hanging out. He
Speaker 1: gave him a beer. He started showing me stuff, magazines,
Speaker 1: pictures of girls. He talked about how guys like to
Speaker 1: look at this stuff because it feels good and it's
Speaker 1: not bad to do it. And the kid's getting very
Speaker 1: choked up describing it. He's like, he says. Barnett says,
Speaker 1: I can show you how to do it because I'm
Speaker 1: older and all guys do this and you could be
Speaker 1: a man just like me. And you know, it's like
Speaker 1: it's what we've seen like time and time again on
Speaker 1: this show. It's like hang out buddies, father Figure, give
Speaker 1: him a little bit of booze, show him some porn,
Speaker 1: and then you know, go into the illegal activities. Afterward,
Speaker 1: Cabot is walking with Sam and his mom and she's
Speaker 1: like villaandite quickly like don't worry, and then Stabler goes, Sam,
Speaker 1: you did great. They're about to leave, when, of course,
Speaker 1: good old SVU Logistics Barnett shows up in the hallway,
Speaker 1: makes prolonged eye contact with Sam. Stablers like keep walking
Speaker 1: dirt bag. This guy smirks, we hate him. Then suddenly
Speaker 1: I actually had to rewatch it twice because I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell if it was Sam doing it. But it's another
Speaker 1: dude out of nowhere who just lunges at Barnett knocks
Speaker 1: Cabot to the ground, and he goes, burn in hell,
Speaker 1: you six son of a bitch. You ruined my life.
Speaker 3: So who's this?
Speaker 1: So now we're talking to this dude in the woodblind's
Speaker 1: room with Benson and Stabler, and he's saying, I thought
Speaker 1: I was over it, but then I saw Barnett on
Speaker 1: the news. It all came flooding back to me. It
Speaker 1: started when I was eleven. He coached my baseball team
Speaker 1: and he picked out, you know, special kids for extra practice,
Speaker 1: and he goes, there were a few kids who just
Speaker 1: stopped going or moved, but I kept going back for
Speaker 1: five years. Eventually, you have to admit that you keep
Speaker 1: going back by choice, like I could have stopped. And
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, I don't care if he was ten years
Speaker 1: he took away your choice, like the minute he touched you,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I got older and he told me
Speaker 1: to stop coming around, told me to bring my friends,
Speaker 1: my younger friends, whose fault is that? And they're like,
Speaker 1: still Barnett's fault, like not yours, and they're like, we
Speaker 1: want names of other victims. But he's like it was
Speaker 1: a long time ago. He wants to press charges now,
Speaker 1: but sadly, he's twenty seven and the statute of limitations
Speaker 1: has expired. He has to have reported the abuse within
Speaker 1: five years of his eighteenth birthday, which I think we've covered.
Speaker 3: This has changed, but so that's it.
Speaker 1: The guy says, he's like I waited too long and
Speaker 1: he gets away with it. Ugh, really heartbreaking because it's
Speaker 1: like you had to do it by twenty three. He
Speaker 1: is twenty seven, like he's only four years past it,
Speaker 1: and it's just like how arbitrary is it? Like just
Speaker 1: that amount of time.
Speaker 3: So now Kresler is.
Speaker 1: Telling Cabot that don't worry, my client wont press charges
Speaker 1: about the assaults of this guy like lunging at him,
Speaker 1: and Cabot's like, how generous, considering he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: scratch on him, And Kresler's like, let's discuss a deal,
Speaker 1: and he goes, we'll do custodial interference too. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what that means, but that means like you
Speaker 1: try to get involved with try to parent somebody without
Speaker 1: being asked.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that charge, I don't think.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, lol, a misdemeanor instead of three
Speaker 1: felony indictments. Get out of here. She basically tells him
Speaker 1: to fuck write off. And she's like, why don't you
Speaker 1: tell your guy to plead guilty and save us all
Speaker 1: a lot of time? And she hates Kressler. She's like,
Speaker 1: he's worse than the pedophile. He's hoping the victim is
Speaker 1: too traumatized to testify, and she's lucky she didn't. He's
Speaker 1: lucky she didn't kick his teeth down his throat. Creigan
Speaker 1: was like, sign me up to see more of that, please,
Speaker 1: And then back at the squad room, Benson has a
Speaker 1: list of names that this twenty seven year old guy
Speaker 1: whose name is Tommy priorre another fucking Tommy. Oh oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like, I know there's a listener that's keeping
Speaker 1: a list, and I hope you have this one on
Speaker 1: the list. It's so nots how many Tommies there are.
Speaker 1: It really is now that it's been pointed out, I
Speaker 1: can never unsee it. Cabot goes, well, that could help
Speaker 1: us establish a pattern of behavior, but the statute of
Speaker 1: limitations has probably expired on all of these. Did Sam
Speaker 1: maybe ever refer any friends to Barnett? Like, cause Sam
Speaker 1: was getting up on sixteen years old, and so you
Speaker 1: know it's possible Barnett wanted him to bring younger friends around,
Speaker 1: So let's go check with him. Cabot's now at Sam's place,
Speaker 1: like working on a trial prep with him over some takeout,
Speaker 1: and she goes, you got I answered directly short answers.
Speaker 1: Barnett will be there but he can't talk to you,
Speaker 1: and he's like how long is it going to take?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'll try to make it as quick
Speaker 1: as possible, but we don't really know. And Cabot then
Speaker 1: starts to gently try to like fish for other names,
Speaker 1: and Sam's like, yeah, I think there were other boys.
Speaker 1: Roy kept telling him that he was getting older soon
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't want to quote unquote be his friend anymore.
Speaker 1: And so Sam's like telling this story to Cabot. He goes,
Speaker 1: one time he picked me up early from school. We
Speaker 1: went to the piers we took one of those tour
Speaker 1: boats that goes all around the city. It was freezing
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a jacket. He gave me his coat.
Speaker 1: I'd never seen the city all lit up at night
Speaker 1: like that before. Then he just bought me a burger
Speaker 1: and took me home. He didn't even try anything, and
Speaker 1: he goes, that was one of the best times I
Speaker 1: ever had. How sick is that? And It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's like textbook. He's like giving you a perfect afternoon
Speaker 1: with dad so that the next time he can do
Speaker 1: whatever he wants, you know. And Cabbot goes, that's what
Speaker 1: he wanted to make you like him because he knew
Speaker 1: what he was doing was wrong. And Sam's like, so
Speaker 1: he didn't really like me. You can tell that. That's
Speaker 1: kind of like sad for him. And Cabbot just kind
Speaker 1: of looks at him and he's like, yeah, no, that's
Speaker 1: what I thought. And I'm just like noticing now that
Speaker 1: Cabot has like a little band aid on the side
Speaker 1: of her head from the scuffle at the courthouse, and
Speaker 1: it is oh wow, and yeah, it's like she hit
Speaker 1: the floor and it's like this little beet poop. And
Speaker 1: then Sam leaves and he's like, I'll get a cab home,
Speaker 1: and then cut.
Speaker 3: To a landline ringing in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: It's a rare glimpse of Alex's Cabot at home, in
Speaker 1: her natural habitat She's just in bed in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. She answers the phone and goes, oh
Speaker 1: my God. Cuts to her at the hospital, Benson and
Speaker 1: Stabler fill her in. Sam sadly tried to take his
Speaker 1: own life. He asphyxiated by combining his anti depresence and aspirin.
Speaker 1: Not sure how long he had stopped breathing, but he
Speaker 1: is still alive. Sam's mom shows up glaring at Cabot,
Speaker 1: telling her to get out.
Speaker 3: She lunges at her. Are you happy now?
Speaker 1: Stabler's like holding the mom back, and Benson kind of
Speaker 1: shuffles Cabot out of their Cabot looks very shook and
Speaker 1: the mom is like, all right, get off of me,
Speaker 1: like makes Stabler leckover. But it is just kind of
Speaker 1: wild that Cabot's getting all the shit when it's like, lady,
Speaker 1: you went to your son and you said, what do
Speaker 1: you want to do? We'll do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1: When he chose to do it, and Cabot's just been
Speaker 1: trying to coach him, to help it, make it easy.
Speaker 3: But she's the scapegoat. She's the one everybody's mad at.
Speaker 1: So at the squadroom, everyone's still in their outfits from
Speaker 1: the hospital. Craigan has the like the report that he
Speaker 1: suffered from hypoxia which led to cardiac arrest. He's on
Speaker 1: a respirator, there is brain activity. He could wake up,
Speaker 1: but no one knows how much brain damage was done.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where they just have no
Speaker 1: idea how much how bad it is. There was no note.
Speaker 1: Cabot looks despondent, and Craigan is like, this kid had
Speaker 1: problems way before you, and then she interrupts. She's like,
Speaker 1: dump the phones. I want to know if Barnett made contact.
Speaker 1: And Munch is like, already did it, babe. And it
Speaker 1: turns out Sam made a fifteen second call to Barnett's
Speaker 1: house around midnight. Fifteen seconds, and they're like, are you
Speaker 1: going for coercion? It's going to be kind of tough
Speaker 1: to prove that fifteen second call that the victim initiated,
Speaker 1: but he could have given Sam the idea to take
Speaker 1: his own life, and Kraigan's like, I want to crucify
Speaker 1: this guy. Sabler goes, we got one hit off of
Speaker 1: Tommy Priori's list. The guy's name is Benjamin Tucker, but
Speaker 1: bad news. He's in Sing Sing convicted of molesting eight
Speaker 1: year old girls. So not a perfect victim another or
Speaker 1: not that there is, but you know the cop see
Speaker 1: it that way. Cabots like set up the meeting. I
Speaker 1: got to save this case. Kresler filed a motion to dismiss,
Speaker 1: so fuck now. She's in chambers with Petrovski and the
Speaker 1: late Great Joanna Merlin, and Kresler is arguing that the
Speaker 1: completing witnesses incapacitated prosecution cannot meet its burden of proof,
Speaker 1: and Cabot's like, it's been twelve hours, he's not dead.
Speaker 1: This is premature, and Kresler's being Kressler, and Petrovski's like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's really not cute how gleeful you are about this tragedy, Like, let's.
Speaker 3: Kill the enthusiasm.
Speaker 1: I loved that line. Yeah, what a dick. This was
Speaker 1: an episode that we tried to get her full We
Speaker 1: tried to get Joanna Merlin for this episode, and she
Speaker 1: wrote us back and said, this sounds like a real like,
Speaker 1: this sounds like a lot of fun. But she passed
Speaker 1: like she liked the idea of the podcast, and then
Speaker 1: she passed on doing the podcast, and then she did
Speaker 1: pass away like months later or so I can understand why.
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't want to spend her the last months
Speaker 1: of her life doing a podcast. But we love her
Speaker 1: so much. But Petrowski says, this guy does have a
Speaker 1: right to a speedy trial. Cabot like, I'll give you
Speaker 1: three days. And Cabot's like, well, what about the grand
Speaker 1: jury testimony? Can't that be readitt trial? And Kressler's like, well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't cross examined. My client has a right to
Speaker 1: confront his accuser. Cabot ret references people versus Garassi. When
Speaker 1: a witness has been intimidated by a defendant, you can
Speaker 1: use grand jury testimony, which we've seen before. We've seen
Speaker 1: grand jury testimony when people have been like murdered or like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: She argues and it's not the testimony. But I always
Speaker 2: think of the Narda Leia episode where the girls like
Speaker 2: her dying declaration and the oh yes exactly.
Speaker 1: When she has like sepsis so habit's arguing it. But
Speaker 1: Petrov so many good episodes of the show.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, I know so many we haven't even touched yet.
Speaker 1: Cabbot tries to argue, but Petrovsky's like, bitch your bootstrapping.
Speaker 1: The grand jury testimony is out. Cabot begs, but Petrovsky
Speaker 1: is like, three days, babe, or I throw it out.
Speaker 1: And then now we're at Sing Sing talking to Benjamin Tucker,
Speaker 1: and this is Lee Pace, who is the actor from
Speaker 1: Body's Body's Bodies. I only started to know about him
Speaker 1: because Evan ross Katz is obsessed and posts him all
Speaker 1: the time. Is like, because he's like six foot four,
Speaker 1: he's very like hot and tall, gay actor, and he's
Speaker 1: been in Twilight, Hobbit, like Marvel stuff. I just don't
Speaker 1: know him from much, and I only know him from
Speaker 1: Evan ross Katz's Instagram. And this is him in a
Speaker 1: young role. And he tells Cabot, Benson, and Stabler, who
Speaker 1: are all there at Sing Sing talking to him, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I started offending when I was eighteen. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of anger and self hatred because of what Roy
Speaker 1: Barnett did to me, and my parents were you know, distant,
Speaker 1: and he's like, about that kid who odeed, I could testify,
Speaker 1: and they're like, unfortunately, you have a history of lying
Speaker 1: and trying to get your sentences reduced, so it's probably
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. And they're like, well, did Roy keep
Speaker 1: any mementos?
Speaker 3: W wait, did you say this? It's Lee Pace's first credit.
Speaker 1: Oh this is oh I didn't even know that, and beize, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's his first credit, first credit. So they're like, did
Speaker 1: he keep any mementos? And he goes, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: and you know, they can kind of tell he's bullshitting,
Speaker 1: and Cabot's like, what do you want? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to transfer to a psych facility for sex offenders.
Speaker 1: I don't belong in prison, and he admits. He's like,
Speaker 1: I did terrible things, but now I know they were wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to stay away from temptation, no schools
Speaker 1: or malls. It's like, I don't believe this guy. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody else does either, And Cabot's like, I'll
Speaker 1: consider some like some kind of deal with you if
Speaker 1: it leads to Burnett's conviction, and that's it, Like no
Speaker 1: other deals take it or leave it right now, or
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. So he agrees. He's like, Roy
Speaker 1: is smart. He knew to never keep records. Videotapes were
Speaker 1: his weakness. He would send them to us, And I'm
Speaker 1: that seems like a big record. This is the smartest
Speaker 1: pedophile in the world. You're just sending video evidence to
Speaker 1: your victims. Like, what the fuck are we talking about here.
Speaker 1: This is a guy who's gotten away with this for
Speaker 1: years and years, Like, no mom has ever found a tape,
Speaker 1: No one's ever gone to the police with a tape.
Speaker 1: That's crazy to mail them to your victims. But I
Speaker 1: guess that's how cocky he was and how confident he
Speaker 1: was that he had these kids in like a choke
Speaker 1: hold emotionally. So Tucker's like, he definitely would have sent
Speaker 1: videos to that guy Sam, that kid like he couldn't
Speaker 1: help himself. So they go to the hospital to talk
Speaker 1: to Sam's mom. They're like, you gotta let us search
Speaker 1: your house. She's like, no, leave, Like she's literally sitting
Speaker 1: next to her comatose son, like cleaning his respirator tubes,
Speaker 1: like she's not in the mood. And she's like, you
Speaker 1: guys could have just shot him it maybe would have
Speaker 1: been better. I don't ever want to see you people
Speaker 1: ever again. So at the precinct, Cabot is pissed that
Speaker 1: they didn't get through to the mom. But it's like, girl,
Speaker 1: she hates you guys. What about Tucker. Cabot's like, fuck no,
Speaker 1: he's the worst witness ever. Stabler is needling her like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you make him a good witness? And she
Speaker 1: gets pissy with Stabler and she's like, I try the
Speaker 1: cases that you guys give me. You don't like the evidence,
Speaker 1: go find some more. I can't do your job too.
Speaker 1: Craigan goes, you're not alone mad in this Like I
Speaker 1: have never seen her this mad. She's so mad and
Speaker 1: it's really good. Like Craigan goes, you're out of line,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I'm not out of line. And I
Speaker 1: don't work for you. You work for me, and your
Speaker 1: sole purpose is to give me a case I can proxecute, prosecute,
Speaker 1: not one I have to fix. So then Cragan does
Speaker 1: gentle parenting here, This is what I would call gentle parenting.
Speaker 1: Craigan goes, so tell us, how can we help you?
Speaker 1: What can we do to help you win this case,
Speaker 1: and Cabot like calms down, she regulates, she goes, nothing,
Speaker 1: You've done all you can, and then she just walks out.
Speaker 1: Now at trial, Cabot is requesting a continuance to gather
Speaker 1: additional evidence, and Petrovski's like, girl, like I told you
Speaker 1: three days. She dismisses the case and Cabot looks like
Speaker 1: she just got punched in the fucking gut. Now, Cabot's
Speaker 1: walking and talking with Petrowski like, I gotta get a
Speaker 1: warrant to search the Kavanaugh house and like Petrovski's like,
Speaker 1: oh cool, where are the tapes? She's like at the
Speaker 1: Kavitol House And she's like, and you've got a reliable
Speaker 1: source and she's like, well, it's a guy who's in
Speaker 1: sing sing for a sex offense. Petrovsky's like, I cannot
Speaker 1: believe you even came to me with this, Like this
Speaker 1: is wild. She's like, I can't order a search based
Speaker 1: on the dubious word of a convicted pedophile.
Speaker 3: I know, but he was also molested.
Speaker 1: Yes, because this is season three, I do think a judge,
Speaker 1: like in more current seasons, would be like Jess, because
Speaker 1: someone's incarcerated, It doesn't negate their victim status or like
Speaker 1: any information they could help with the case. You know,
Speaker 1: in fact, it's a huge part of the prison industrial
Speaker 1: complex that people reap people that are victims, offend and reoffend,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like that's part of it. So
Speaker 1: she goes, you look like hell, Alexandra gets some sleep,
Speaker 1: So now Sailor's getting to work, and Benson's like, we
Speaker 1: got a head to the Cavanaughs. Alex must have called
Speaker 1: in a big favor to get a warrant. So now
Speaker 1: they're there at the Cavanaughs, and cab it is like
Speaker 1: telling missus Kavanaugh, your house is a crime scene. Your
Speaker 1: son's suicide attempt is being treated as an attempted homicide
Speaker 1: because it was never investigated. So it's like she's loopholing
Speaker 1: some shit. Here. The mom tries to shut the door
Speaker 1: in Cabot's face, but she stops her, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'll take the blame for what happened to Sam, but
Speaker 1: don't let Roy Barnett get away with this, and then
Speaker 1: she the woman. The mom glares at Cabot but does
Speaker 1: let her in, and Benson asks Cabot, are there restrictions
Speaker 1: on the warrant the search warrant and Cabbot just goes, Nope,
Speaker 1: whatever you can bind. So Stabler finds a cubby hole
Speaker 1: in the back of like a shelf of Sam's closet
Speaker 1: that has a package in it with a return address
Speaker 1: that is Barnett's, and I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, this.
Speaker 3: Kid worked with the cops for a month and didn't
Speaker 3: turn this in.
Speaker 1: But then they go it's unopened, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so the guy got this package from this guy and
Speaker 1: just too traumatized, didn't open it, just hit it. But okay,
Speaker 1: they open it up, spill it out four VHS tapes,
Speaker 1: and you know it's not It's not just like some
Speaker 1: fun dizzy movies. So they show up to Barnett's home.
Speaker 1: He's mid move. Look at that someone's leaving town, and
Speaker 1: they arrest his ass. Benson and Stables show up at
Speaker 1: the squad. They're like, Barnett's in processing, let's all go
Speaker 1: do shots at Mulligans and let's celebrate, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: not a good idea. And then this is where Finn
Speaker 1: goes Dad's mad, which I think is like a line
Speaker 1: that we love and I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I could remember it was from this episode. He goes,
Speaker 3: Dad's mad and it's really good.
Speaker 1: Craigan goes, get your asses into my office, So yeah,
Speaker 1: Dad is pissed. Craigan accuses them of searching the Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: place without consent, and they're like, we had a search warrant,
Speaker 1: and Craigan goes try again. They look stunned. Craigan's piecing
Speaker 1: it together. They're like, are you saying Cabot told you
Speaker 1: she had a warrant? Stabler goes, I don't remember, and
Speaker 1: she's like she didn't, and then Benson goes, she didn't
Speaker 1: actually say, but like she told us to meet her there,
Speaker 1: and basically the search implied she had a warrant. And
Speaker 1: Benson says Cabot was trying to protect us. The taped
Speaker 1: show Barnett with half a dozen boys. We would have
Speaker 1: never known about these boys, and k Kraigan's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if the judge throws them out, it's like we
Speaker 1: never did, so that's fucked. It's like, you do have
Speaker 1: to find everything the right way. In court. Kressler is
Speaker 1: now screaming to the rooftops that Cabot lied her way
Speaker 1: into the Kavanaugh's home with an illegal search, and Cabot tries,
Speaker 1: we were investigating the suicide attempt, and Petrovski is not
Speaker 1: buying it. Krestler's like, this is a Fourth Amendment violation,
Speaker 1: and Cabot argues Barnett's rights were not violated. Only Linda
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh's rights were violated. But she is not the defendant.
Speaker 1: He has no standing to contest a search of someone
Speaker 1: else's home. And Krestler's like, so what, You're like the Gestapo.
Speaker 1: You could just march into anybody's house at any time.
Speaker 1: And Petrovsky says, while I deplore the ada Cabot's actions,
Speaker 1: I have to agree with her. The illegal search of
Speaker 1: Linda Kavanaugh's home is a civil tourt. The defendant's privacy
Speaker 1: was not violated. But then Petrovski lays into Cabot, the
Speaker 1: liberties you've taken, the disdain toward the law. It's unethical
Speaker 1: and it's a just grace to your position. I will
Speaker 1: recommend your office look into your actions. And you've done
Speaker 1: yourself a disservice in my courtroom. I won't forget it.
Speaker 1: And Cabbot looks like not that bothered. She's kind of like,
Speaker 1: h okay, I'll send you a nice bottle of Scotch
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like she doesn't look that.
Speaker 3: Upset well because she got away with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Cabot tells goes out and tells Benson and
Speaker 1: Stabler the tapes are in, and she goes, well, Petrofsky
Speaker 1: acted like I killed her dog and another she goes,
Speaker 1: just add another enemy to the list. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but most of your enemies are like drug dealers, not
Speaker 1: like judges that you need for Warrens. And they do
Speaker 1: go on to have a very sweet relationship, like I
Speaker 1: do think they have. Like when Cabbot comes back from
Speaker 1: witness protection, Petrofski like hates the man that like did
Speaker 1: the fake killing, right, Like she's like, that was my friend,
Speaker 1: Alex Cabot, And she tells Benson and Stabler or Cabot
Speaker 1: does She's like, you guys were never in jeopardy. I
Speaker 1: made sure it was all gonna fall on me. And
Speaker 1: they're like, you still should have told us, and Alex like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you were in the middle of this, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sorry about the rest of it. So cut
Speaker 1: to the arrange where they're just announcing a never ending
Speaker 1: list of charges against this scumbag Roy Burnett about all
Speaker 1: the stuff they found on the tape. It's like sodomy, coercion,
Speaker 1: it's like everything. He glares at Alex and she looks
Speaker 1: so smug and satisfied as she should. And this guy
Speaker 1: knows he's fucked, like he's probably never getting out of jail.
Speaker 1: And Sam's mom is in the gallery and so at
Speaker 1: least she got to see this guy fucking get you know,
Speaker 1: legally put away. Cut to Donnelly giving Cabot a one
Speaker 1: month suspension without pay, and she's like, that's a gift,
Speaker 1: so don't argue.
Speaker 3: Donnelly goes, Luckily, LANDA.
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh decided not to file a civil suit against you, me,
Speaker 1: the NYPD, or the city for your illegal search. Congrats
Speaker 1: on setting back civil liberties about two hundred years. She goes, well,
Speaker 1: it was her choice to let me in, like cause
Speaker 1: Cabot did stop the door. But then the woman did
Speaker 1: like just turn around and say yeah, come on in,
Speaker 1: so or like not yeah, come on in, but she
Speaker 1: didn't stop them anymore.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. It's just kind of a sneaky move.
Speaker 1: I like it. And Donnelly goes, no, you decided that
Speaker 1: for her you think that makes you passionate and righteous,
Speaker 1: and Cabot goes, I take full responsibility. She goes, of
Speaker 1: course you took it for the greater good, the safety
Speaker 1: of society. But that's bullshit. You did this for you,
Speaker 1: And Cabot's like, I did this for hundreds of Barnet's
Speaker 1: future victims, and she goes, no, you did it for one,
Speaker 1: for Sam Kavanaugh. Did it work? Did it assuade your guilt?
Speaker 1: And Alex says no, I don't think that's gonna happen
Speaker 1: anytime soon, and Donnallee goes, I got news for you.
Speaker 1: It won't happen ever, and Alex looks stunned. And then
Speaker 1: that is Dick Wolf baby.
Speaker 4: Bam.
Speaker 2: All right, sad and yeah, more sadness. Oh wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear the real life story. So there's
Speaker 1: two cases.
Speaker 4: Here, and there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of overlap with the episode and all of it and
Speaker 2: both of them. So, okay, this is the Peter Dudley
Speaker 2: Albertson case. Peter met a set of brothers in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five while working as a counselor slash lifeguard at
Speaker 2: Monkton Summer Camp.
Speaker 1: So uh oh, camp.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't like a camp thing now, but I
Speaker 2: guess that's There's like a girl on TikTok. Her dad's
Speaker 2: an SVU detective and she has a viral TikTok where
Speaker 2: she's like things my dad did as an SVU detective
Speaker 2: and dad that you might be mad about. And one
Speaker 2: was he would never send the kids. It's like no sleepovers,
Speaker 2: no summer camp, and no going to the bathroom by
Speaker 2: herself was a kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess that's this dad SVU. Guys, I'm letting
Speaker 1: my kids do all three of those already. So u oh.
Speaker 2: So it's matt and Justin Wilkie and like this dude
Speaker 2: befriended them and their parents before starting to molest the
Speaker 2: boys at his Hampton row house. The boys were eleven
Speaker 2: and nine when they met, and then the abuse began
Speaker 2: was when Justin was eleven and Matthew was thirteen, and
Speaker 2: he molested the boys for nearly two years, and he
Speaker 2: befriended the parents in such a way that they allowed
Speaker 2: the brothers to spend.
Speaker 1: Weekends with this dude. Oh ye ye.
Speaker 2: And then Matthew kept its secret for the whole two
Speaker 2: years and then finally told his mother and she reported it.
Speaker 2: And this dude was arrested in nineteen ninety on a
Speaker 2: series of crimes, and the prosecutors to make a deal
Speaker 2: dropped the charges involving Matt and most of those involving Justin,
Speaker 2: and in return, Albertson pled guilty to one count of
Speaker 2: child abuse from molesting Justin. What that's not enough? Two
Speaker 2: years of abuse? One count?
Speaker 1: Like that so fucked up?
Speaker 2: What was the deal? Why was it a deal? Oh,
Speaker 2: it gets even worse, it gets even worse. Well, they
Speaker 2: didn't they didn't want the boys to testify, so they
Speaker 2: didn't want to traumatize them more So, if this guy's,
Speaker 2: you know, pled guilty, it would be easier. But he
Speaker 2: only got three years and then five years probation. But
Speaker 2: then there were recommendations for psychologists and prosecutors in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety and the judge suspended his three year prison term
Speaker 2: and just gave him probation and with a condition, and
Speaker 2: only one condition, stay away from Justin.
Speaker 1: And he didn't. That's so fucked Oh my god. Uh
Speaker 1: like it's like what also, I don't get why, Like,
Speaker 1: if it's kids involved in cases, why can't we just
Speaker 1: like videotape them in a room with like someone asking
Speaker 1: them a list of questions, and both sides get to
Speaker 1: write down the list of questions and that's it. And
Speaker 1: you don't have to be there in the same room
Speaker 1: with the person that did this to you, and you
Speaker 1: don't have to be like there's no reporters like for kids, Like,
Speaker 1: why can't we like do that? It seems so crazy.
Speaker 1: You can be able to confront your accuser. But the
Speaker 1: reason people choose people this young is because they know
Speaker 1: they'll be too scared.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's like kids don't have adult rights,
Speaker 2: so if you do that, that means you don't get
Speaker 2: the right to like see your accuser.
Speaker 3: And corps like fuck off.
Speaker 1: Ugh.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the motherfucker just got probation and some psychological
Speaker 2: help and they're like, please stay away from the kids.
Speaker 2: He violated his probation and stock Justin sent love letters.
Speaker 2: He showed up to Justin's nineteen ninety four graduation from
Speaker 2: Layola High School.
Speaker 3: He showed up in the driveway of his home his
Speaker 3: favorite hangouts.
Speaker 2: Justin was so scared that eventually Albertson would kill him
Speaker 2: for not being able to have him, So Justin was
Speaker 2: sent two videos of child abuse videos.
Speaker 1: But because this.
Speaker 2: Guy was in Germany, it counted as like a federal offense.
Speaker 2: So the Albertson was in Germany, and in May nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five, right before the probation was going to expire,
Speaker 2: Albertson mailed a package for Justin's nineteenth birthday, and the
Speaker 2: video was so explicit, and by mailing it to the US,
Speaker 2: and it was it was a tape and a card
Speaker 2: and two letters that totaled twenty five pages. This kind
Speaker 2: of just destroyed the whole family. So within fifteen months
Speaker 2: of mailing the tape in nineteen ninety five, Justin, Matt,
Speaker 2: and their father all took their own lives and God
Speaker 2: and all in the same way, all with like cars
Speaker 2: and carbon monoxide.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tape, I read like represented the family's inability
Speaker 2: to keep this motherfucker away. And so the father, Dawn,
Speaker 2: was fifty six. He was devastated by what happened to
Speaker 2: his son. His marriage fell apart, his ex wife moved
Speaker 2: to Florida, and then two days after Thanksgiving in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five, he exfixiated himself in his car and then
Speaker 2: three months later, Justin ended his life in the same way,
Speaker 2: and there was a note in the car that.
Speaker 1: Said, I hate you Pete.
Speaker 2: And that's by the Tampa Bay Times, that is who
Speaker 2: reported that quote. And August nineteen ninety six, Matt, who
Speaker 2: believed he should have done more to protect his brother,
Speaker 2: funneled carbon monoxide into his car after diving deep into
Speaker 2: a Baltimore County cornfields. The boys are I know, I know,
Speaker 2: it's not a good one. And the boy's aunt said
Speaker 2: to the Baltimore son that if this was done right
Speaker 2: to begin with, we wouldn't be here today.
Speaker 3: It's terrible.
Speaker 2: And the assistant state's Attorney, Jan m Alexander, a man.
Speaker 2: I know Jan could go the other way, but I
Speaker 2: want it to be clear. It's a man said that
Speaker 2: this has haunted him and been such a hard thing.
Speaker 2: This is to the Baltimore son, he said, I did
Speaker 2: sex crimes for six years, and you always want to
Speaker 2: try to protect the kids.
Speaker 3: This is a prosecutor's nightmare.
Speaker 1: But this is the.
Speaker 2: Same guy who thought a three year prison term in
Speaker 2: five year probation was reasonable since Albertson had no criminal
Speaker 2: pass and that the Wilke's mother didn't want her sons
Speaker 2: to testify an open court.
Speaker 1: I just don't get why the cops why he was
Speaker 1: not arrested for violating this stay away from Justin rule
Speaker 1: when he showed up at the high school graduation and
Speaker 1: he did all this shit, Like why, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: And so at this time, he then pleads guilty to
Speaker 2: violating the probation, and the Baltimore Circuit Court judge is
Speaker 2: Edward J. Angaletti, and he accepted the guilty plea, and
Speaker 2: then Albertson was sentenced to a ten year federal prison
Speaker 2: term for sending Justin the tape of child abuse videos
Speaker 2: without the possibility of parole. And that was the max
Speaker 2: was the ten years. But he's just so sick. In
Speaker 2: an open court, he told spectators in a stunned court
Speaker 2: in quotes, I loved Justin. According to the Baltimore Paper,
Speaker 2: he continued, I loved him very much. And when they
Speaker 2: told me he wasn't old enough at fourteen, I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll wait for him. He was like a sick He
Speaker 2: was like, he's like, no one misses him more than me,
Speaker 2: like in front of his fucking family. And then he continued,
Speaker 2: he was my family, he was my friend, he was
Speaker 2: my brother and my lover, and he made a fifteen
Speaker 2: minute statement and the judge gave the max. But then
Speaker 2: US District Judge William Nickerson called this sentence unfortunately inadequate.
Speaker 2: I agree, especially with the facts of the case. And
Speaker 2: that's to the Tampa Bay Times, And so then the
Speaker 2: judge added an extra three years to his sentence for
Speaker 2: violating the probation like a long time ago. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: still a little too late, like fuck you and Angeletti,
Speaker 2: you should not be sitting on the bench.
Speaker 1: So and I.
Speaker 2: Feel if they're saying Judith Leif's character did something like
Speaker 2: this and the show, she shouldn't be on the fucking bench.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like disgusting. I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know how someone molests kids for years and
Speaker 2: gets probation, Like it's so fucked up. And yeah, so
Speaker 2: you were reinstated the jail time he should have had
Speaker 2: to begin with. And then again at the Baltimore Sun,
Speaker 2: it seemed no amount of jail time would keep Albertson
Speaker 2: from abusing children. And that's a quote from the judge,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, so why would you let him go? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't find him in the sexual registry, which it
Speaker 2: seems fucked up. I should be able to see where
Speaker 2: he lives. But I did find him in the federal
Speaker 2: inmate lock look up so but he hasn't been in
Speaker 2: custody since January seventeenth, two thousand and eight, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't find an obituary either.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he changed his name.
Speaker 2: Should I tell them? World should be telling? Should I
Speaker 2: tell the FBI that he like, why isn't he on
Speaker 2: the list?
Speaker 1: Like? Where is this guy? Or maybe he has like
Speaker 1: maybe he's one of these guys, Like did you try?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because if you looked up Peter Dudley Albertson,
Speaker 1: it would have given you Dudley Peter too, like in
Speaker 1: case he was like a kind of guy that went
Speaker 1: by his middle name or something like that.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of options, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: different options of all the names.
Speaker 1: Weird, sir, that's weird. He should be on a registry.
Speaker 1: Is a federal registry. It's not by state.
Speaker 2: They have state ones and they have federal This was
Speaker 2: a federal crime.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't know. That's crazy. I think you should
Speaker 1: give a little tip tip to the FBI. No, where's
Speaker 1: the sky. I really want to.
Speaker 2: Know, so and then the next case even worse if that,
Speaker 2: if you can even imagine, well, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: all seems really bad. So the will we don't have
Speaker 2: to compare tragedies. So it's the William Gode case. And
Speaker 2: this guy is believed to have abused up to three
Speaker 2: five hundred boys. And one of his quotes is like
Speaker 2: direct from the episode, like he was bragging one year,
Speaker 2: but he denies it. He is quoted saying, oh, I
Speaker 2: beat my record this year and it was like one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five boys for the year.
Speaker 3: So and he was doing this for decades. It's fucked up.
Speaker 2: But even like I'm reading the news about the you know,
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred boys and it's on the BBC where
Speaker 2: Jimmy several works, and they allowed him, you know, to
Speaker 2: they knew that he was abusing kids, So it's all
Speaker 2: just so kind of twisted. The Plymouth Herald in the
Speaker 2: UK called him a sex beast, and he was a
Speaker 2: millionaire businessman. He owned discount shops and market stalls, and
Speaker 2: he groomed his victims by offering them jobs and then
Speaker 2: slowly inviting them into his home and then not only
Speaker 2: did the abuse happen in his home, but at the
Speaker 2: warehouses in his van camping trips, and he had a
Speaker 2: cottage in Darmoor. The abuse is believed to have gone
Speaker 2: back as far as nineteen sixty five. That's why the
Speaker 2: numbers are like in the thousands. Yeah, but the abuse,
Speaker 2: like they don't have to believe it.
Speaker 3: There's a trail.
Speaker 2: And this is one of those things that make us
Speaker 2: so mad on this podcast because there's a fucking history.
Speaker 2: So in October of nineteen seventy two he had a
Speaker 2: conviction and indecency with a child and in decent assault
Speaker 2: on a male. He got probation for three years. I
Speaker 2: don't know what this is about molesters only getting probation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a pedophile probation program is confusing to me. And
Speaker 2: then in nineteen eighty he was convicted of two counts
Speaker 2: of indecent assault, two counts of procuring an act of
Speaker 2: gross indecency, and one count of indecency with children. And
Speaker 2: finally in April nineteen eighty seven, he was convicted of
Speaker 2: three indecent assault and sentenced to six months imprisonment and
Speaker 2: suspended for two years, which I guess is probably like
Speaker 2: probation in England.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety one, he opens.
Speaker 2: This market, so he's like so he like serves time
Speaker 2: and then is able to just like party on and
Speaker 2: make this cool market that kids get to go to.
Speaker 2: And nineteen ninety four finally a boy comes forward about
Speaker 2: the abuse, and in nineteen ninety five he's arrested, but
Speaker 2: then the court said that further charges would be an
Speaker 2: abusive process and the case was dropped. What yeah, And
Speaker 2: then in nineteen ninety six and nineteen ninety seven further
Speaker 2: allegations against God are formally made to police and then
Speaker 2: to go backwards, like he owned two houses that overlooked
Speaker 2: school playgrounds, so he was still after all of these
Speaker 2: able to like live next to schools. He also set
Speaker 2: up play areas in his Cornish market world. There was
Speaker 2: a Kid's World with a z kids World's Adventure Play,
Speaker 2: one of the largest indoor children's playparks, and the staff,
Speaker 2: in quotes to the Plymouth Herald, said he would happily
Speaker 2: sit and watch the children play for hours at a time.
Speaker 2: He ran a camping club and then he started like
Speaker 2: paying kids off to introduce him to their friends for
Speaker 2: fifty pounds and he would silence children with drugs, money, sweets, toys,
Speaker 2: and the classic of threatening violence to them and their
Speaker 2: families if they told anybody. One boy was supposed to
Speaker 2: kidnap someone for him but couldn't do it, and then
Speaker 2: he was like raped and beaten worse than normal because
Speaker 2: of it. And so there was just like good punishment.
Speaker 2: And for decades people didn't believe these boys or care.
Speaker 2: And it was found out that some of these kids
Speaker 2: went to the police and the cops called them lying
Speaker 2: little queers, and so that's cool, and of course I can't.
Speaker 2: We both said, cool, okay, And of course he knew
Speaker 2: how to pick his victims. He targeted boys whose parents
Speaker 2: were on the breadline. That's not my word desperate. I
Speaker 2: don't know England had breadlines, but maybe it's just a
Speaker 2: saying desperate for any kind of maybe yeah, desperate for
Speaker 2: any kind of financial support or aid. And then you know,
Speaker 2: there'd be poor ass kids and he'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: I have a job or a task and I can
Speaker 2: give your family money. So he really appeared like a
Speaker 2: saving grace to people. And then some boys lived in
Speaker 2: children's homes and he had access to these homes as
Speaker 2: a quote uncle, like he was just this like market
Speaker 2: wizard of the community. And for some of the abuse
Speaker 2: at home, Like for some of these kids, the abuse
Speaker 2: was so bad at home that like his abuse was
Speaker 2: chiller than the abuse they had at home, Oh so hard.
Speaker 2: And like there's like one victim who lived in such
Speaker 2: poverty that he said that he cried the first time
Speaker 2: God hugged him because he had never been shown such
Speaker 2: kindness before. So once these like inquiries started to bubble up,
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, he fled to Thailand. He had
Speaker 2: a false pass poor and he knew the police were
Speaker 2: on his tail. And I wonder how, I wonder how
Speaker 2: the cops knew all about this. There's more. So he
Speaker 2: was arrested finally in two thousand and three. He pled
Speaker 2: guilty to fourteen counts of serious sexual assault and two
Speaker 2: counts of indecent assault. He was jailed in two thousand
Speaker 2: and four at Plymouth Crown Court and he was sentenced
Speaker 2: to life. He was jailed at age sixty, and a
Speaker 2: lot of his victims were there and they cheered and
Speaker 2: really had a joyous moment in that second I mean
Speaker 2: probably complicated feelings. And then before this court case started,
Speaker 2: though two of his victims did take their own life.
Speaker 2: But after two thousand and eight, when all of us
Speaker 2: like was legit and they could see that court was happening,
Speaker 2: a lot more victims started coming forward, at a rate
Speaker 2: of one a week. He tried to get parole in
Speaker 2: twenty ten, but also not lol with what we've seen.
Speaker 2: He died in prison though of natural causes, in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: at the age of sixty eight. So, Tom there's an
Speaker 2: ex detective Shirley Thompson, and she said that many victims
Speaker 2: spoke to her an inquiry in two thousand and three
Speaker 2: that identified several other abusers, but senior officers wanted to
Speaker 2: restrict the inquiry and focus just on God. Oh and
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, she said this ring could still be
Speaker 2: active today. So I think this was like a powerful
Speaker 2: sex string of fucking freaks, and that's why the cops
Speaker 2: didn't really do much. Yeah, And I think it's very Epstein. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think it's like really powerful people. I couldn't
Speaker 2: find more evidence, but I believe Thompson. But also this
Speaker 2: case shows the depths of trauma from abuse for generations
Speaker 2: of victims, you know, many you know hit the bottle,
Speaker 2: the alcohol, drugs, you know, violence towards themselves and and
Speaker 2: it also turned a lot of young boys into problematic criminals.
Speaker 2: And a lot of these things eventually lead to death.
Speaker 2: And no matter how many victims came forward about other
Speaker 2: men in the ring and abusers, no no arrests were
Speaker 2: ever made or like, no prosecution of any other suspected offenders.
Speaker 2: And the only reason they investigated this at all is
Speaker 2: because a report showed how they failed to do enough
Speaker 2: for decades. They were forced to do all this and
Speaker 2: then nothing really came of it. Detective Inspector Mike Cooper
Speaker 2: to the Plymouth Herald only said, the reasons why we
Speaker 2: did not formally proceed against any suspected offenders has been
Speaker 2: fully explained to the.
Speaker 1: Victims, and that's it. Yeah, if you're like a millionaire,
Speaker 1: I just kind of never believe you're working alone or
Speaker 1: like heaven, you know, you don't have other names of people.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not buying. Oh that's awful. Yeah, at least, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, at least in this case. This guy fucking
Speaker 1: died in jail.
Speaker 2: But now gas so well, so talking about their palette,
Speaker 2: we'll just roll right into our post mortem.
Speaker 1: This episode, it's a nightmare, is a nightmare. It is
Speaker 1: truly a nightmare. Family, a whole family. These fucking molesters, man,
Speaker 1: I know, and Lilfish. Yeah, and just like these guys
Speaker 1: that just do they I don't know. It's like this,
Speaker 1: the main character in the episode, just so brazen and
Speaker 1: like you think you're never gonna get caught, like you
Speaker 1: just I guess you just do it for so long
Speaker 1: that you don't get caught. And you're like, I'm the
Speaker 1: best pedophile there is and no one's gonna catch me.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna male videotapes of my crimes around,
Speaker 1: Like yeah.
Speaker 2: The one thing is like listen, you don't even have
Speaker 2: to go to jail, just leave this family alone. And
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, he can't do it, but fuck the
Speaker 2: justice system. Why so much, Leewaye.
Speaker 1: So these fucking molesters, I know, lock them up, like what,
Speaker 1: walk them up? Especially this guy in the episode. I
Speaker 1: know he's not real, but like he had prior crimes
Speaker 1: and they were It's like I think when there's repeat
Speaker 1: crimes happening, it's like this is a person that cannot
Speaker 1: be in society without hurting children.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just but it's one of my favorite
Speaker 2: episodes in terms of, you know, the lawyer's breaking the
Speaker 2: rules and like, yeah, kind of an exciting showdown.
Speaker 1: I just feel bad that everybody shits on Cowbot the
Speaker 1: whole time when she's truly just trying to put away
Speaker 1: a very very bad pedophile and everyone's like happy now,
Speaker 1: like like, well, I'm really just trying to get justice
Speaker 1: for your kid, but oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it shouldn't be so much on victim's statements, Like
Speaker 2: we have to make it like we're so concerned with
Speaker 2: rapists and criminals and murder, but also, you know, there's
Speaker 2: so much injustice that way, but like we're so concerned
Speaker 2: with them getting fair legal trial. We're not concerned with
Speaker 2: rape victims having to testify and be confronted by their
Speaker 2: people and like all of that stuff, Like why is
Speaker 2: the priority not protecting victims but like making sure these
Speaker 2: rapists no one says anything disparaging mistrial, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, well I get it, but it's just
Speaker 2: it's frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's.
Speaker 1: Like what I said. I think when we were recording
Speaker 1: the episode, I was like I get the the it's
Speaker 1: constitutional and you have like the right to confront your
Speaker 1: accuser or whatever, like that's in the law. But I
Speaker 1: think with like, if you're under eighteen, like you're a
Speaker 1: child that's going to cause you massive trauma, then why
Speaker 1: can't it just be like videotaped in advance, like just
Speaker 1: the lawyer and the child, and then the other person's
Speaker 1: lawyer can go in there and there's a guardian, like
Speaker 1: you can get crossings, you can cross examine the child.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the child just gets to tell the
Speaker 1: story with no cross examination, but that they don't have
Speaker 1: to sit in the room with their abuser. Like that
Speaker 1: feels like a weird that feels like that's something we
Speaker 1: should be able to loophole around, is all I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like we should be able to get around that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean forever, we would have to beg to
Speaker 2: be like, hey, can we still prosecute these rapists? The
Speaker 2: kids were scared, and it's like, yeah, it's a day
Speaker 2: too late.
Speaker 1: Yeah they should have come to the cops earlier. Oh
Speaker 1: they couldn't talk yet, fuck them, you know.
Speaker 2: Like it's so wild what we expect if people who
Speaker 2: have just gone through like the worst thing ever. It's
Speaker 2: so fucking weird. I don't know, not things even bring
Speaker 2: me joy anymore. I mean, this fucking election. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even play I'm not even playing Wordle every
Speaker 2: day anymore. I'm not playing the games if I miss it, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't even give a shit anymore.
Speaker 3: Cinematrix, are you okay, Lisa?
Speaker 1: What's I have?
Speaker 2: Every time I see Rosamond Pike, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: get her out of this game. No, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's I just the zest is just I just want
Speaker 2: to watch. Yeah, I'm still in my horror movie.
Speaker 1: Kick. Oh.
Speaker 3: I ran into someone who watched Barbarian because.
Speaker 2: They heard me talk about on the pot and then
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah it felt thrilling.
Speaker 3: I like this influence I have over others.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should become a fascist dictator, kick people out
Speaker 2: of their homes. I mean, it's crazy what people voted for.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 1: It's like speaking of people getting justice, Like, it's just
Speaker 1: crazy that a couple of short months ago, we were
Speaker 1: all watching Donald Trump fall asleep in a fucking courtroom
Speaker 1: while he was getting you know, his convicted of thirty
Speaker 1: six felony counts or whatever it is, and I was
Speaker 1: so excited to see what was going to happen after
Speaker 1: he lost, Like what justice he was going to see
Speaker 1: And we'll never see it, you know. So that's just
Speaker 1: another extra thing that I'm pissed about. We will never
Speaker 1: uh will never, Oh my god, because people just like him.
Speaker 1: They just think he's funny and cool. And I guess
Speaker 1: he has a gold toilet, so they love that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let's let's move on to what would Sister Peg do
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, wait, hold on, care you're gonna like this.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I usually look crazy on flights, like sweatshirt, sweatpants,
Speaker 2: I see, like, you know, do I already tell you this?
Speaker 1: No? So yeah, I'm usually messy bun. And I was.
Speaker 2: Shopping online and I saw kind of like a more
Speaker 2: classy looking sweatsuit where it's like a little high neck
Speaker 2: tank with like you know, those expensive pants our friend wears,
Speaker 2: but it's like on a doupe of those like wrinkles
Speaker 2: silky kind of pants. And I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: we're my new Jenny Kine sweater. You know, I'll kind
Speaker 2: of spruce it up.
Speaker 1: I'll wear a boot.
Speaker 2: I mean, my family roast me from the moment I
Speaker 2: got off the flight like it was like, are you
Speaker 2: going to a meeting? They're like, what is this business casual?
Speaker 2: Like no one let me even breathe an inch. And
Speaker 2: then my mom used to work at a company and
Speaker 2: Elan was like, wow, are you on lunch break from
Speaker 2: new care services?
Speaker 3: Like they're like are you doing payroll today?
Speaker 2: Like no one understood why I was dressed in like
Speaker 2: this business out.
Speaker 1: He quarterly review, like yeah, that is so funny.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going back to sweatshirts.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't need this messy comfort see through sweatpants.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Or maybe those were my sweatpants that are see through.
Speaker 1: I need to get new ones now.
Speaker 2: My favorite sweatpants the cratch rapped. I mean, it's so
Speaker 2: hard to dress in these months for me. It's just
Speaker 2: like I'm not good at winter where I am struggling.
Speaker 2: I'm struggling on all accounts.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Also, no, I will not come at violence. I'm not
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, but I'm pissed. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we're doing next week and the
Speaker 2: beat goes on next week. I mean, it is crazy,
Speaker 2: It's it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like Joe Mandy always posts we live in hell,
Speaker 1: and that's just like I think of that all. I'm
Speaker 1: like always like, oh yeah, we live in hell, like
Speaker 1: we live in hell.
Speaker 3: I have enough good memories that'll keep me warm, I guess. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have my health for now.
Speaker 1: For now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very Homer Simpson. It's the worst thing of
Speaker 2: your life so far. The Ballad of Dwight and Irena.
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing next week. Please join us, Season
Speaker 2: twenty two, episode two. Yeah, if you want to get
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