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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done, Yay, that's messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>At SVU podcast, my name is Lisa and my name

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<v Speaker 2>is Kara, and every week we take you into the

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<v Speaker 2>depths of an SVU episode as well as the true

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<v Speaker 2>crime it was based on.

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<v Speaker 3>And we talk to a guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Not today, but you know a lot of times we do,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've got great guests coming up, so don't worry

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<v Speaker 1>about that. But today it's just us and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to chat and listen. This is our first time talking

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<v Speaker 1>intro wise on the pod since the election, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to dwell on it. But we're not happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I need to tell you guys that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's fear, there's dread, and then there's moments of

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<v Speaker 2>joy on the micro level because people around me are good,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and yeah, there's community and art and like things,

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<v Speaker 2>and then but also grateful that I'm not the most

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable right now. We have to like hold I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>be there for people it's a nightmare the dread hits.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh my god, yesterday. Okay, so I'm under the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>You might hear this me my voice, but I did

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<v Speaker 2>go out last night and I had spots, but I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't touching people right like if you wanted a hug.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, listen, I'm feeling under the weather, like elbows, elbows.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a comic, who I fucking hate, part of

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<v Speaker 2>the little Nazi free speech brigade. He came to say hi,

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<v Speaker 2>and I gave him two high fives with my germy

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<v Speaker 2>jermy hand.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, actually, I've always wanted to kiss you. Get

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<v Speaker 1>in here, buddy. Yeah, but then.

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<v Speaker 2>He heard he actually saw me to someone else be

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm under the weather elbow and then he took

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<v Speaker 2>hands sanitates er out and put it on his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I did it on purpose, bitch, I am

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<v Speaker 2>a terrorist. No, And and this leads to this next thing.

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<v Speaker 2>If you voted for our new president, we would prefer

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, this isn't for you.

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<v Speaker 1>This show's up for you.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get to enjoy our our our work, our

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<v Speaker 2>labor in then vote against everything we believe in with

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<v Speaker 2>our show and the subject matter, but with the other

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<v Speaker 2>people that listen to us. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for scum, go listen to kid rock Like there

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<v Speaker 2>you know Tim Allen I think has a few movies out.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go watch that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you don't get to fucking vote against us, our

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<v Speaker 2>rights and the people.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy our ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I know our people are feeling stressed. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>think that this is the guy that's gonna fucking fix it,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to tell you. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we're the place. I don't think we're the place for

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't for you. Don't write a thing of Oh

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not being tolerant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I'm not tolerant of your dumba fucking ass

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<v Speaker 2>if you're if you're voting for policy that's gonna endanger

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<v Speaker 2>human lives here, Like, go fuck yourself. You don't get

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to our podcast. Get gone. You are not welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you need you, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>If he gets rid of the ACA, I lose my insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my health insurance for my family that I already

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<v Speaker 1>say a lot for Like what am I gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have? Like you know, it's like these are

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<v Speaker 1>real like stresses people have and people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but eggs. It's like, I know, there's he's he literally

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<v Speaker 1>is hiring Elon Musk. He's hiring all these people to

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<v Speaker 1>do jobs they don't know how to. Like that are insane.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>The Department of Education, Environment, FDA, health, everything is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be run by Bozo Claris.

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<v Speaker 1>Kay An anti vaxer is gonna be leading like the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Health. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I'm sorry to you. Yeah, as listeners, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're pissed. We want to make sure that if you

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<v Speaker 2>voted for him, you are not wealthy come to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to us. We do not want you here and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us, you know, we're enraged. We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>constant thoughts and feelings about it. But I also want

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<v Speaker 2>to do the show that we love to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah, I don't want to ignore the dread

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, horrors, and I hope I'm wrong about everything,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we obviously we're obviously going to use our

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<v Speaker 1>platform to like, you know, resist as much as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be sharing information over the next like however many

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<v Speaker 1>years into we last or this pot or this presidency last,

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<v Speaker 1>like we'll be sharing information on how to and resources

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But and I hope everybody is doing okay

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<v Speaker 1>out there, especially people that, yeah, this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>affect the most directly. But unfortunately, I think people that

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<v Speaker 1>voted for him, this is gonna affect very directly.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's the batligning for me.

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<v Speaker 2>At least the people that voted for him, their lives

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<v Speaker 2>will get worse too. And that's all I really have

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<v Speaker 2>to cling on too, because I can't wait till your

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<v Speaker 2>kids don't have schools to go to and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>food on the show. At least you're you're suffering, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's all that these people that are like, don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>if he comes for you, I'll still fight for your rights,

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<v Speaker 2>not me. I'll step on your fucking throat as I

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<v Speaker 2>step over your body, Like that's.

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<v Speaker 1>How I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't wait for your life to get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope your farm goes under your crops fucking dust up.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope your car breaking. I hope you Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you can never go to the doctor again. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope the worst, and I hope the worst for all

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteen million that decided not to vote to yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not only vote for him. The people that were like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna make a stand, well cool, cool, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Well the.

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<v Speaker 3>Soviet Union States of America.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are. RFK is gonna take the fluoride out

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<v Speaker 1>of the water. Okay, but and we're not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Cohen. We're not gonna be Andy Cohen.

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<v Speaker 2>And watch what happens live going it's a great country

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the country I love, and half.

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<v Speaker 3>The population's happy. I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Alwa is that what he said?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone is.

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<v Speaker 2>I got messages from clothing browns already like cool red,

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<v Speaker 2>Like people want, people want their jobs, people want their listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was like a caller and watch what happens

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<v Speaker 2>that was like, ugh, this gross country and he goes, No.

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<v Speaker 1>America is amazing and we love it here.

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<v Speaker 2>And like the day after the election, I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 2>all gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Andy, they all are gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I saw a thing online about like all this

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<v Speaker 2>all these white women, they're all don't don't let the

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<v Speaker 2>turfs get you, don't. Yeah, it's all it happens fast.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, my friend I mean, my friend who

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<v Speaker 1>lives in La He's he's like, he's like he says

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to Canada because he's like the training wheels

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<v Speaker 1>are off. He's like, this is like he's gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>around things. Because I was texting him because he's he

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<v Speaker 1>knows like a lot. I was like, is he really

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get rid of the ACA? Like that's my insurance?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm really nervous, and she was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he'll do He'll probably not do anything legally, like

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<v Speaker 1>it would go around, it would circumvent legal channels. So

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<v Speaker 1>who fucking knows. I'm just gonna like hold my nose

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<v Speaker 1>and try to get through the next four years. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how we're gonna fucking do it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're one of these people that's like I come to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast to escape and not hear about politics, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, this is a podcast about crimes against women

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<v Speaker 1>and children and the justice system, and that's just intrinsically

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<v Speaker 1>linked to politics. And you know how we fit. Our

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<v Speaker 1>president's a rapists. Yeah, that's another thing. Our president's a

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<v Speaker 1>rapist who almost played a part on an SVU. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can believe that he was almost in the episode design.

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<v Speaker 1>According to SVU inside Information, apparently, anyway, how have you

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<v Speaker 1>been other than that, I haven't seen you in a

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<v Speaker 1>long time? Has uh what's been going on? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time living with these radiators. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot winter. It's going to be a winter.

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<v Speaker 1>I am struggling, I am sick. I could barely breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sleeping through the night.

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<v Speaker 3>Are the radiators just like trying you out? Is that

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<v Speaker 3>the deal?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? Because that's what I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're also clinging and clanging, and it's also just hot.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the full but I can't fully open the

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<v Speaker 2>window because it's the city streets of New York in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>But my air conditioners on, all the fans are on.

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<v Speaker 2>My window is fully open at all times, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is just blasting heat. I am sick, I'm coughing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I if you've never lived in New York City, this

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<v Speaker 2>is just a thing we have to deal with. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of the buildings there is no little

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<v Speaker 2>thermostat on your wall that tells you what can like,

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<v Speaker 2>what temperature you want to make it. It's literally just

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<v Speaker 2>heat when it wants to be heat and then it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was how my apartment was too, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was and there's not very many like tips. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>like put a towel and are a blanket on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, okay, that literally sounds like a fire

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<v Speaker 1>hazard of some kind too. I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're like, just put a wet towel on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, won't. It's sizzle. I mean, I'm lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>have a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried about you in a boiling hot apartment with

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<v Speaker 1>bracelet glue, just like working on your racelesson getting poisoned.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Casey Muskraves is this week, Taylor Swift's next week. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I got to enjoy the Swift concert with like

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<v Speaker 2>a different type of prevent presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>So funny that it's already November because we were someone

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about the you know, the Paul Tyson fight

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wait, what, No, that's in November

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like it's no Vember?

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<v Speaker 1>No, what what? I can't believe it. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa's not going at Taylor for like a month, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I completely what's the date again?

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty first, and then my show's the twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you guys can come November twenty second, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see me do comedy.

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<v Speaker 3>You see Lisa at the Royal.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to That's Messed Up Live, or you

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<v Speaker 1>go to Lisa's Instagram, you can see, like on Lat's

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<v Speaker 1>Mess Up Live, it says Lisa's website and it's or

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa's Instagram and that has like the link tree to

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<v Speaker 1>all the tickets. But that's where you guys saw us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great venue. Go check it out and it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be the day after, so you'll have all your stories

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<v Speaker 1>from the concert, right, yeah, and hopefully my voice, but

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<v Speaker 1>I all, yeah, I'm it's really excited. It's nearing and

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<v Speaker 1>nearing and you have the outfit. I placed my vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I did vote in the poll. Yeah, I won't go

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<v Speaker 1>the floral one. People like the floral Yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I voted for me. Yeah, people like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most like in theme and I could wear

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<v Speaker 2>my glitter one the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just think it's gonna pop in pictures. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like those are your pictures from it? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>And Julia is wearing like a black sea through reputation

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<v Speaker 2>style things, so we could both be in black.

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<v Speaker 1>And be a little bit well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the flowers from her piano from her surprise song.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, okay, sick.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's also a nod like copy dupe of

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<v Speaker 2>her Grammy dress in the folklore era. Got it okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what that is. But she dropped her holiday

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<v Speaker 2>collection today. I will not be buying it, do not worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, but speaking of a holiday collection, we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>We have that's messed Up holiday ornament. It's very cute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like our little logo and it says, hope your

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<v Speaker 1>Also a big life milestone for me as I did

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<v Speaker 1>go to Medieval Times for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you get? Because you can't eat a turkey leg?

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<v Speaker 2>What do they give you meal?

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<v Speaker 1>No? They So I took Rosie I was. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a chaperone on a rosy field trip to medieval Times,

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<v Speaker 1>which some of the parents in the group. In our

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<v Speaker 1>group chat were like why and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, It's just fun, like just let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>So we took them to medieval Times on a bus

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<v Speaker 1>and I got my meal was like fruit and apasta

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<v Speaker 1>salad with veggies that that I thought was, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good for medieval Times. A lot of the kids

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<v Speaker 1>did not want the food. They just like, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>eating with their hands and like just ripping apart at chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>They're only five, you know, they were kind of like what.

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<v Speaker 1>But some were really going to town on it and

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<v Speaker 1>having a blast. But they were mesmerized by the performance.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like they loved it. They were loving it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was only vaguely tuning into like the story

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<v Speaker 1>of like oh, the night has to fight for me

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<v Speaker 1>because of blah blah blah, because I was helping so

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<v Speaker 1>many kids like open packages and open water bottles and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did like a whole thing about social media

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<v Speaker 1>where they were like, I don't have a device that

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<v Speaker 1>sends magic communications and pretending like they didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. But then the whole lesson was like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you use social media, don't spread rumors, like make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not like spreading misinformation. Like if you get

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<v Speaker 1>if you see something, just make sure you fact check it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that seemed to be the message at medieval times,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was really making me laugh, especially because five

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<v Speaker 1>year olds they had no fucking idea. But there were

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<v Speaker 1>all aged kids there. It's a real shit show there

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the day. It's just a billion

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<v Speaker 1>children and screaming, and they're like, if you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>yellow car, to go over there, if your card is green,

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<v Speaker 1>go over there.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's crazy, but you know, we had a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I only went once.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I went once, and I remember I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Oh and some of those nights could get it.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some hot nights. I mean, like we're in

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<v Speaker 1>La so I'm sure some of them are like trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be actors and aren't hot. It was it was cute.

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<v Speaker 1>I caught a carnation from one of them. Rosie and

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<v Speaker 1>I were like holding our hands up when he was

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<v Speaker 1>throwing carnations and he threw one right at us. We

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<v Speaker 1>caught it, gave it to Rosie. Wow, I unlike, unlike,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that? Did you see some fuck? Uh? I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're a little bit past, like the big baseball

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<v Speaker 1>season and all, like the World Series stuff, but like

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<v Speaker 1>those fans that just ripped a baseball out of the

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<v Speaker 1>player's mitt, Yeah, of course I saw that. Like just

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<v Speaker 1>people are it's psychotic. It's psychotic.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's crazy is the guy that did that with

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<v Speaker 2>the Cubs like twenty years ago truly had to go

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<v Speaker 2>into witness protection, like if they were got him apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah Bart something.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, is it Bart may On or something?

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean enemy number one And now.

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<v Speaker 2>People are like yeah, so it's kind of but it's

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<v Speaker 2>disgusting and I'm glad that they lost, like because there

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<v Speaker 2>was two like the beginning of the series. Someone just

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<v Speaker 2>caught it and it was kind of like an axe

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not like it was a little rough and tumble,

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<v Speaker 2>but not And then the second time it was like

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<v Speaker 2>they were one of them was opening this man like.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's glove. It was abuse, Like they should be

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<v Speaker 1>banned for life. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really insane. Honestly, Yeah, it's it's well level

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<v Speaker 2>at all. Well, also, I caught that on the internet. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the middle of a bit of a situation

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<v Speaker 2>myself on the Internet where I'm waking up every single

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<v Speaker 2>morning to fifty comments from people telling me that I

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<v Speaker 2>look like Gail from Bob's Burgers, because well, no, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, like so just for contact everybody, I went

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<v Speaker 2>on my friend Steph Tolev's podcast called Steph Infection, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, does anyone ever tell you look like someone

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<v Speaker 2>from Bob's Burgers? And I go, yeah, I get Linda

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<v Speaker 2>a lot because people say I have like Linda energy

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and I kind of style my hair where

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<v Speaker 2>it flips on the bottom or whatever, and so I've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten Linda f YOUTI have.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes, are you kidding? You look like Gail?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I know the show vaguely, so I knew

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<v Speaker 1>who Gail was, but like she whips out a picture

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just like a woman with a chin that

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<v Speaker 1>goes right into a neck, which is so insulting, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I like fake, I'm fake yelling at my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, this is what you fucking

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<v Speaker 1>think of me, like I'm yelling at her. And then

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the clip is funny. I look like I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>really reled up. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not upset. Do I think I look like Gail?

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<v Speaker 3>Not really? I asked my children. They said no.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I'm yelling at Steph to just be funny

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, and everyone's like, she's so pressed, she's

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<v Speaker 1>so mad.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this is so Gail.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, you know what, I'm fine with the comments,

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<v Speaker 1>except the ones that are going it's the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she has no jawline.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, stop, it's so mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't say I have no jaw line. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have a pretty big chit.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been really sensitivebout my chin my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very big. But they think it just blends right

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<v Speaker 1>into my neck and that I have bangs and that

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<v Speaker 1>I talk like I'm from the Midwest, because Gail talks like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right, isn't she like Linda bab like she

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<v Speaker 1>talks like a Midwest person and how does Linda. But

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<v Speaker 1>Linda's more New Yorky. I think Linda's more well, she's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit bob but like she's like, oh, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys do in where we go? When I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe I'm just making these sound exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same Casey's nodding.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you know, I love.

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<v Speaker 1>John Roberts, I love the guy who voices Linda, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love Megan Malally Like it's not, uh, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just to wake up every morning and have everybody

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<v Speaker 1>telling you that you look like this fucking dorky looking character.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think she's a beloved character. So I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>not to take it too personally. But it has like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like creeping up on a million views,

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<v Speaker 3>like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Like people just love seeing people get mad on the internet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think everybody thinks I'm super pissed in the video,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're all just like, wait.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you paying attention to the chicken fry?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I heard about this on who Weekly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my my source for all like C lists celebrity and

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know who these people are. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>country singer. She's Ariana chicken Fry. What I just read that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>saw that they are Brianna. Sorry, sorry I read You know,

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<v Speaker 1>chicken Fry is not her name. Someone just her legs

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<v Speaker 1>look like chicken fries and then chicken fries. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like a beautiful girl. I'm like, wow, if

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<v Speaker 1>I can, if she can just be called chicken Fry, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I can be Gail, you know whatever. We

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<v Speaker 1>all just have to we have to be what the

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<v Speaker 1>internet calls us. But but like what happened, like because

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<v Speaker 1>when I had listened to the episode on Weekly, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so new in the breakup that they had just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of both posted it and you couldn't tell who

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<v Speaker 1>was at fault or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there more gossip to it or what?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's goss Okay, Like, if she

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<v Speaker 2>was my friend, I'd probably go to her house, take

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<v Speaker 2>her phone and say why don't we why don't we.

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<v Speaker 3>Go up stake for a couple of days?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I would.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was a good friend of hers, I'd be like, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not let's stop going on live. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'd be there for her. Oh, I believe her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was probably abusive.

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<v Speaker 2>He emotionally control it like it was, you know, ruined everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, she has a podcast with one of the

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<v Speaker 2>scum of the earth, Dave Portnoy. Even though I love Peaches,

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<v Speaker 2>he did vote for Trump and go for herself, so

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<v Speaker 2>and he's barstool. I don't know why I thought I was,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was mesmerized by Peaches. I do love this dog,

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<v Speaker 2>and so miss Peaches my bad. So Brianna, this other

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<v Speaker 2>young guy and Dave Portnoy have like a bff's podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and so she did an episode of this podcast kind

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<v Speaker 2>of talking about the breakoup because they broke up and

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<v Speaker 2>then he posted about it right away online and without

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<v Speaker 2>any warning to her, right, and so she just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of opened up and was like, yeah, the night of

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<v Speaker 2>the Grammy or the Golden Globes, he's texting me you

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<v Speaker 2>look like shit, You're like a slut. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dating someone that looks like you, like all this

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<v Speaker 2>mean stuff, but then posting gorgeous photos of her, going wow,

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<v Speaker 2>look at my beautiful girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there's just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of like and people that listen all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>are like, yeah, she has lost a lot of weight

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<v Speaker 2>and looked more stressed than on edge, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>emotionally abused. I know what this is like, someone controlling

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<v Speaker 2>and ruining your life and wanting to change you.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think he probably cheated on her.

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<v Speaker 2>She gave him everything she had and he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>treated her like shit, and she's a shame that she

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<v Speaker 2>stayed with someone like that. But because of her erratic

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<v Speaker 2>online behavior and talking so much about it, and because

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<v Speaker 2>she's a woman, there's obviously tons of people that are like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the crazy one now, bitch, don't you know?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>And so but Zack Bryan's getting roasted, like people are

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<v Speaker 2>speaking out against him and they hate him, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So like, I'm not So that's all I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But now the other layer is that Zach Bryan offered

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<v Speaker 1>her twelve million dollars to sign an NDA and two properties,

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<v Speaker 1>and she turned it down because other of his exes

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<v Speaker 1>have done it.

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<v Speaker 3>And she goes, I can make my own money.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have control over me, and like

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<v Speaker 2>forever he would have this over me and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>speak and it's like my voice. Yeah, but her best friend,

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<v Speaker 2>this girl Grace. They have a podcast together. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's still going on or if there was

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<v Speaker 2>a rift or what, but like they're these best friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and people are saying, since she's not speaking, maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>took the money and signed an NDA, like the best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of a rumor too. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's why because it was like twelve million dollars. So

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<v Speaker 2>people are like, oh my god, she didn't sign the NDA.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn. I'm just looking at him. I don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>look of this guy. I don't like the life. He

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a purp on SVU or something. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>no East gross. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>She was excited to date him and they had something

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, patterns and shit like I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would be like, let's let's take a trip

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<v Speaker 2>if she was my friend. But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>Grace signed a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Or what, like I take the focus off, let's stop

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on this and maybe go to OHI or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, damn.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're allowed to fucking get dumped and go crazy online,

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<v Speaker 2>like allowed to process, okay, process things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I hope she has a good friend right

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<v Speaker 1>now it feels like maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so I don't know what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>this friendship because they've started touring kind of separate and

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<v Speaker 2>doing separate things, and like I don't I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw them together at the Tom Brady Roast

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<v Speaker 2>whenever that was in May. Oh yeah, yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, kind of like I I just uh, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm still I'm still about all about Moodang, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like I still am looking at

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty to forty photos of Moodang a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's what's keeping me going.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, though, this is circling back. I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not glad that you're not feeling good and have

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<v Speaker 1>a cold, but I'm sort of glad that it's happening

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<v Speaker 1>now so you'll be totally healthy by next week for

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<v Speaker 1>the big knock yeah yeah, knock on wood.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's like you just have to sleep. It's annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, And I know you're and I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the go Yeah, let's sorright, we gotta see. Yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>start that one of my favorites, one of my favorites. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is going back into the vault or

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<v Speaker 1>the early season. So let's go, okay, we are doing

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<v Speaker 1>the episode guilt.

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<v Speaker 3>It is season three, episode eighteen, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I confuse it with yeah, but I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>which one this was until the minute it started. I go, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this one, but it was like it gave me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the feeling of watching it anew, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen it like ten times. So it opens the

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<v Speaker 1>cold open opens with a man walking into a train

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<v Speaker 1>station and he greets a teen boy with a hug.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Sammy, good to see you. Glad you called. The

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<v Speaker 1>teen looks like upset. He's like, something happened my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she knows, and like the minute you hear that,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, I thought this was like an uncle

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<v Speaker 1>or something, or an old teacher. This is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>The grown man looks very mind open. I know I knew,

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<v Speaker 1>we knew they were a MELA station, but the way

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<v Speaker 1>they played at the beginning, he is like, hey, what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>They're happy to see each other, and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>an old coach, Like I don't know, and then grown

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<v Speaker 1>man looks very concerned and he's like, did you say anything?

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<v Speaker 1>And then we see Finn kind of skulking around in

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<v Speaker 1>the background, so we know the is a bust. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the team Clockspin, who was wearing the most obvious

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<v Speaker 1>earpiece of all time, like, I mean Finn's earpiece, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's got his slick back ponytail.

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<v Speaker 3>And the earpieces like hello, it's me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Maloney is there ear pieces also popping, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we cut to the oldest looking tape recorder of

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<v Speaker 1>all time, like it looks like from the eighties when

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a ransom like message sent and it's Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Cabot is in another room listening to the whole conversation

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<v Speaker 1>between the kid and the guy go down. So this

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<v Speaker 1>kid's wearing a wire. This is a full bust. The

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<v Speaker 1>kid's mom is also in the room with Cabbage. She

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<v Speaker 1>looks very stressed. The adult man keeps saying, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing illegal happened. We're just good friends. I mean yuck,

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<v Speaker 1>And then back to the station live in montre there

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<v Speaker 1>as well, watching from afar. This kid is getting more pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he's seasoned? He's seasoned, Yes, he knows Durindez. Say it, well,

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<v Speaker 1>say it and write it. Regret it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, say it, forget it, write it, regret it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy is like, you know, just like we're

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<v Speaker 1>good baby, no worries, and then the teen is just

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<v Speaker 1>getting more and more stressed, and finally he tells the

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<v Speaker 1>guy run and he's like huh and he's like they're listening. Run.

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<v Speaker 3>So then there's a chase in the train station.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy avoids all the cops like somehow, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>random people are getting taken down, and then Finn cuts

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<v Speaker 1>him off and totally grabs him, which is very fun

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and exciting little chase, and then they haul this guy

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<v Speaker 1>off lives like what the fuck just happened? And Craigan,

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<v Speaker 1>Cabot and the mom they must have been literally in

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<v Speaker 1>a room right off of the train station because now

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>they're there and they're like the kid warned him, and

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<v Speaker 1>the mom is like, you did good, and it's like, no,

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you told a pedophile to run, So I mean, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want a victim blame, but you did not

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<v Speaker 1>do amazing, sweetie. And then Cabot's like, you guys, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough. And that's the credits, So already, what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm intrigued.

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<v Speaker 3>In cement room bars now with this man.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Roy Barnett and his lawyer is Roger

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<v Speaker 1>crest Or, a shark played by the late great net Eisenberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Bent's and his table are trying to get him to

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<v Speaker 1>talk and trying to bluff that everything he said on

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 1>the tape is incriminating, but like this guy kind of

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>knows what's up, and he's We find out that this

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>guy's been bringing Sam kavanaughf this team to his apartment

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>for four years. I'm molesting him and the guy's like no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a troubled teen. He makes stuff up to see

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<v Speaker 1>what will happen. And they're like how howe yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you said the exact same thing about another boy in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five and then another boy in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like you always know those are just the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that he's getting caught for, you know. And he

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<v Speaker 1>says he spends time with Sam because he feels bad

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<v Speaker 1>for him. He needs a father figure, boys need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to a man, et cetera, et cetera. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>like I just feel so responsible and like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to help teens.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it is about me. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>such a good guy.

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>And he claims that these incidents in nineteen eighty five

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and nineteen ninety were like misunderstanding whatever, but he did

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<v Speaker 1>serve time for them and had like a parole officer

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. So on the other side of the glass

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<v Speaker 1>watching this interrogation is Cabot, Daddy, Craigan, and Huang. They

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>all know this guy is putting on an act. They're

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>like the Oscar goes to this fucking perve. Cabot and

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Craigan don't understand why the boy has been working with

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<v Speaker 1>them for a month and then still chose to sabotage

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole operation. And Wong says, because part of Sam

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>cares for this guy. I mean he's been four years.

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Sam told his mom about the abuse, but the mom

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>is the one who called the cops. Like Sam is

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of protecting this guy because it is a man

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>in his mind who he loves and who loves him.

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>And Cabot's like, whatever, we don't have a case. Craigan's like,

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>we got to get the kid to testify. And he's like, Huong,

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you talk to him find out where his head is.

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And Huong's like, ah, victims this kid's age think because

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>their assailant is male, they're worried that they might be gay,

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<v Speaker 1>and my present might be presents might be seen as

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<v Speaker 1>an accusation.

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 3>And I always wonder if he's saying that.

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Because he's gay or just because he's a man and

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>they think a woman should talk to him.

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<v Speaker 3>I think because I don't think he's come out at

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<v Speaker 3>this point.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't even think. They didn't even think about that,

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, because yeah, when B. D. Wong was on,

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 2>he said it, it was kind of annoying. He felt

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>like they shoehorned it in, right, right, I don't. Yeah,

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>but it is Neil Bear so.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, Okay, so it could be a subtle hint, Yeah,

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>who knows. But Huang goes, listen, remember that this kid

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>thinks this whole thing is his fault, and the hardest

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>part is going to be convincing him that he's wrong.

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>So now Cabot goes to talk to Sam and she's like,

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, love Cabot, gorgeous, very competent, not the warmest

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 1>woman in the world to like really go heart to

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>heart with a teen, you know, like, and she's like no,

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>you're like sorry, the law's the lot and the child

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>is going to prison. Yeah yeah, and she's like I'm

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>sorry you had to go through this. Like she's just

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>very like you know, dead pan, and she's like and

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>no one is mad at you for telling him what happened.

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, right, you guys are pissed. I

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>blew it like I know you're mad. And Cabot's like, no, no,

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>it's okay to care about what happens to him. None

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>of this is your fault. And his immediate reaction is

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>to clarify I'm not gay, I have a girlfriend, and

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Cabot's like okay, and then he starts screaming like I'm

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>not a slur. I want to go home, Like he's

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>said a slur a couple times, like he's very concerned

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that that's what she thinks. And then he runs out

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and his mom is there with the entire squad and

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 1>he wants to leave, and the mom's like, okay, we're

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>done here. We tried to help you guys out, We're done,

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Like this is over. She's like I cannot put him

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>through this whole thing again. It's just not going to happen.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, Okay, well, Barnett's gonna get out and

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of jail tomorrow. We don't have much time. Kragan's like

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>track down Barnett's court mandated therapist from his earlier charges,

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know why the guy's allowed to talk

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to them, but I'll get into that. Stable's like, we

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>got to get into his apartment. Guys like this collect

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>mementos and you know, keepsakes from their crimes.

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Do we have cause for a warrant?

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>And Cabot goes plenty and I'm like, why wasn't this

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>done immediately after the accusation was filed, Like why, Like

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>they've been serving this guy for a month, but he

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>was accused. Why wouldn't that be enough for a warrant?

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe because it's like he said, he said,

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>he said. I don't know. But at Barnett's apartment, it

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 1>turns out Stabler was wrong. They cannot find any stuff

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>from this guy's victims. Just a ton of hetero adult porn.

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like, as they say in the episode, it's a

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>teen boy paradise, but nothing is illegal. So now we're

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>at teru and friend of the pod at Ruben Morales

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>is Joel de la Fuente is there and he's like, uh,

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this computer is like two hundred gigs and it's like

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninety nine gigs are porn, but nothing

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>with kids, he says. He's like, it also looks like

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>this guy clears out his hard drive daily and uses

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>a scrubbing software shifts at all. No normal normal you

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>need to get the old porn out and get the

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>new porn in. You know, you got to clear every day.

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So this guy's using like a pretty high tech scrubbing software,

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>so they can't even find the deleted images. You know.

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like always like, oh no, it's in there somewhere.

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>You just got to find a nerd to find it

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>for you. No, this guy uses the software, so it's gone.

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>He said, if you gave me six months and fifty

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>K and an electron microscope, I might be able to

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>find something. But there's also no guarantees, so we're not

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>giving you all that stuff. Sorry about that, Morales. So

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Finn and Munch are now talking to this therapist who

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I guess is just allowed to say

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever because the guy is a criminal. He's just like

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of telling them. It seems like it'll be privileged,

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but he's just like, Okay, I'm an open book. And

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>he's like Barnett was one of the most gifted liars

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I've ever met, Like he fooled everyone into thinking he

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>was cured, but I could tell it was an act.

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>And the therapist is like, oh, he just loved listening

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to the other sex offenders disclose their crimes like this guy.

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh maybe because it's parole group, it's not the same

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>as a therapist. Oh okay, Okay, that's just a guess.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 3>That's just a guess.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, could be to other episodes, because I feel like

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 2>those guys always talk.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I remember them they were looking for Yeah, but then

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>there's like women that are like that run victim groups

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>that are like I can't say anything or no one

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>will come to our victim groups. But I guess this

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>is different because they're assailants. So yeah, like that was

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>just that's just some ethics and not like ethical, right right, Yeah,

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that's probably it. So he goes guys like this, The

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>shrink goes guys like this are why I left this

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>prison system and started teaching. At one point, he says,

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Barnett admitted to molesting over one hundred boys. But like,

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't get why you didn't have to disclose that,

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Like that's a crime. You would have had to say.

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>But I guess again, he's like a prison therapist. Probably

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>hears about crimes all the time. They're like, oh, any names,

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>dates or places, and they're like, no, he's smart, Like

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>he's too smart for that. He's more calculating than your

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>average pedophile. He's a true predator, unrepentant and unstoppable, and

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>no amount of therapy will change him. Yikes.

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Scary.

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>So next that's I think they lay that out for

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>you so that it kind of excuses why Cabot is

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>like going to the ends of the earth in this episode.

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>So next scene, we've got Bureau chief Elizabeth Donnelly in

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 1>her first ever appearance on SVU. This is her first moment,

0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>her first episode episode, the episode Guilt is first. She's

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a bitch from moment one. I mean they hit the

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>ground running, sure, like, yeah, they never liked each other,

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>but I guess there's respect, but like, no nonsense from

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the get go. Have you heard all this stuff that

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Judith Light, Like, I know we've I've read the thing

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 1>about how she told Stephanie Marsh like, you don't need

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>to have kids, like you can have a perfectly great

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>life without kids. But she also lives I think, on

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>an opposite coast from her husband, like her and her

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>husband lived in live ins suppert homes, and she's like,

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>that's how marriage works for me, babies, and that's how

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I do it. We've been happily married for decades, and

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I just think Judith Light is the shit and if

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>anyone knows her, we need her, we want her. She's

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>laying into Cabot, like you guys don't have shit. How

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>much more time and how many more resources are you

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna waste on this? And Cabot's like, this guy's smart,

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>but I know we can get him. And Donaldy's like,

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I had your job for ten years. None of these

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>guys are Rhodes scholars. And then Cabot's like, well, you

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>pled this guy down when you had my job, and

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Donaldy's like, how dare you? Like her face is like

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>it was a first offense and there was no evidence,

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>but let's compare records. Sure, and then she's like shitting

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>on Cabot for this being a slam dunk and how

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Cabot totally blew it. I don't get how Cabot gets

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot, a lot of shit in this episode. Wait,

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 1>how did cabt blow it? I know you're projecting you

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>blew it. Yeah, we set this guy up for a

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 1>meet at a busy train station. We did a lot.

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>But Cabot is now at the Kavanaugh apartment, Sam's apartment,

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to convince his mom to get back on board.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>She She's like, I want to make Barnett paid for

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>what he did. He's going to keep doing this if

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>we don't get him, and the mom tries to argue,

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>but Cabot eventually like brings her around, and she walks

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>over to Sam, who's been within ear shot of the

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>entire conversation. I mean, he knows what she's about to

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>ask him. And she's like, I know this is so hard.

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>It's my fault. I'll never forgive myself for letting that

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>man get near you. You tell me what you want

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>to do, and I'll let this lady go. I'll tell

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 1>her to get out of here. You just tell me,

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and whatever you want to do, we'll do it. Like

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the mom, this is actually like such a lovely scene

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>between the mom and the sun. It always this is

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 1>like very touching to me. And then Sam goes, I'll

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>do it. I'll do the trial. So he wants to,

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, I hopefully he wants to make this guy.

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Put this guy away so we can't do each other kids.

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Sam is now outside the courtroom with Stabler. Stable's trying

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>to like relax his nerves, like tell him about how,

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>oh I've my first time testifying. I fucked up before testifying,

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. And he's like, is Roy going to

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>be in there? And Maloney says, no, not while you're testifying.

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>You never have to see him, and he goes, I

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>don't care. But it's like I think you probably do care.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>But it's because this is a grand jury, he doesn't

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>actually have to face him. And Stabler's like, no one

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>thinks this is easy for you. This takes guts and

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>courage and when you're a man, you got to do

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>hard stuff and that's what you're doing. So he's Stable's

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>really trying to play into this guy's like you know,

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>father figure issues his you know his you're straight, you're

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>a man, we get it. You're good and so now

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>it's time for grand jury. Sam says, the first time

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Barnett made him feel uncomfortable, he was twelve years old. Ugh.

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 1>He was at Barnett's home. They were hanging out. He

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>gave him a beer. He started showing me stuff, magazines,

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>pictures of girls. He talked about how guys like to

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>look at this stuff because it feels good and it's

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>not bad to do it. And the kid's getting very

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 1>choked up describing it. He's like, he says. Barnett says,

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I can show you how to do it because I'm

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>older and all guys do this and you could be

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>a man just like me. And you know, it's like

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it's what we've seen like time and time again on

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>this show. It's like hang out buddies, father Figure, give

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>him a little bit of booze, show him some porn,

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, go into the illegal activities. Afterward,

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Cabot is walking with Sam and his mom and she's

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 1>like villaandite quickly like don't worry, and then Stabler goes, Sam,

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>you did great. They're about to leave, when, of course,

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>good old SVU Logistics Barnett shows up in the hallway,

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>makes prolonged eye contact with Sam. Stablers like keep walking

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>dirt bag. This guy smirks, we hate him. Then suddenly

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I actually had to rewatch it twice because I couldn't

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>tell if it was Sam doing it. But it's another

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 1>dude out of nowhere who just lunges at Barnett knocks

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Cabot to the ground, and he goes, burn in hell,

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>you six son of a bitch. You ruined my life.

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 3>So who's this?

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 1>So now we're talking to this dude in the woodblind's

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>room with Benson and Stabler, and he's saying, I thought

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I was over it, but then I saw Barnett on

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the news. It all came flooding back to me. It

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>started when I was eleven. He coached my baseball team

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and he picked out, you know, special kids for extra practice,

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, there were a few kids who just

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>stopped going or moved, but I kept going back for

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>five years. Eventually, you have to admit that you keep

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>going back by choice, like I could have stopped. And

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, I don't care if he was ten years

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.840
<v Speaker 1>he took away your choice, like the minute he touched you,

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, I got older and he told me

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 1>to stop coming around, told me to bring my friends,

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>my younger friends, whose fault is that? And they're like,

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>still Barnett's fault, like not yours, and they're like, we

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>want names of other victims. But he's like it was

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>a long time ago. He wants to press charges now,

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>but sadly, he's twenty seven and the statute of limitations

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>has expired. He has to have reported the abuse within

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>five years of his eighteenth birthday, which I think we've covered.

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 3>This has changed, but so that's it.

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>The guy says, he's like I waited too long and

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>he gets away with it. Ugh, really heartbreaking because it's

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like you had to do it by twenty three. He

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>is twenty seven, like he's only four years past it,

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like how arbitrary is it? Like just

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>that amount of time.

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 3>So now Kresler is.

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Telling Cabot that don't worry, my client wont press charges

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>about the assaults of this guy like lunging at him,

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and Cabot's like, how generous, considering he doesn't have a

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>scratch on him, And Kresler's like, let's discuss a deal,

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, we'll do custodial interference too. I don't

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>even know what that means, but that means like you

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>try to get involved with try to parent somebody without

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>being asked.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard that charge, I don't think.

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And then she's like, lol, a misdemeanor instead of three

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 1>felony indictments. Get out of here. She basically tells him

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to fuck write off. And she's like, why don't you

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>tell your guy to plead guilty and save us all

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time? And she hates Kressler. She's like,

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>he's worse than the pedophile. He's hoping the victim is

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>too traumatized to testify, and she's lucky she didn't. He's

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>lucky she didn't kick his teeth down his throat. Creigan

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, sign me up to see more of that, please,

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>And then back at the squad room, Benson has a

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.439
<v Speaker 1>list of names that this twenty seven year old guy

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>whose name is Tommy priorre another fucking Tommy. Oh oh

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>my god, Like, I know there's a listener that's keeping

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a list, and I hope you have this one on

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 1>the list. It's so nots how many Tommies there are.

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>It really is now that it's been pointed out, I

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>can never unsee it. Cabot goes, well, that could help

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.319
<v Speaker 1>us establish a pattern of behavior, but the statute of

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>limitations has probably expired on all of these. Did Sam

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe ever refer any friends to Barnett? Like, cause Sam

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 1>was getting up on sixteen years old, and so you

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 1>know it's possible Barnett wanted him to bring younger friends around,

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>So let's go check with him. Cabot's now at Sam's place,

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>like working on a trial prep with him over some takeout,

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, you got I answered directly short answers.

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Barnett will be there but he can't talk to you,

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>and he's like how long is it going to take?

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, I'll try to make it as quick

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>as possible, but we don't really know. And Cabot then

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 1>starts to gently try to like fish for other names,

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and Sam's like, yeah, I think there were other boys.

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Roy kept telling him that he was getting older soon

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and he wouldn't want to quote unquote be his friend anymore.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>And so Sam's like telling this story to Cabot. He goes,

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>one time he picked me up early from school. We

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>went to the piers we took one of those tour

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>boats that goes all around the city. It was freezing

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't have a jacket. He gave me his coat.

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I'd never seen the city all lit up at night

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>like that before. Then he just bought me a burger

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and took me home. He didn't even try anything, and

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>he goes, that was one of the best times I

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 1>ever had. How sick is that? And It's like, no,

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like textbook. He's like giving you a perfect afternoon

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>with dad so that the next time he can do

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>whatever he wants, you know. And Cabbot goes, that's what

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to make you like him because he knew

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>what he was doing was wrong. And Sam's like, so

0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 1>he didn't really like me. You can tell that. That's

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of like sad for him. And Cabbot just kind

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of looks at him and he's like, yeah, no, that's

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>what I thought. And I'm just like noticing now that

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Cabot has like a little band aid on the side

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>of her head from the scuffle at the courthouse, and

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 1>it is oh wow, and yeah, it's like she hit

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>the floor and it's like this little beet poop. And

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>then Sam leaves and he's like, I'll get a cab home,

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and then cut.

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 3>To a landline ringing in the middle of the night.

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a rare glimpse of Alex's Cabot at home, in

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 1>her natural habitat She's just in bed in the middle

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>of the night. She answers the phone and goes, oh

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>my God. Cuts to her at the hospital, Benson and

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Stabler fill her in. Sam sadly tried to take his

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>own life. He asphyxiated by combining his anti depresence and aspirin.

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Not sure how long he had stopped breathing, but he

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>is still alive. Sam's mom shows up glaring at Cabot,

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:50.439
<v Speaker 1>telling her to get out.

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 3>She lunges at her. Are you happy now?

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like holding the mom back, and Benson kind of

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>shuffles Cabot out of their Cabot looks very shook and

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the mom is like, all right, get off of me,

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>like makes Stabler leckover. But it is just kind of

0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>wild that Cabot's getting all the shit when it's like, lady,

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you went to your son and you said, what do

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you want to do? We'll do whatever you want to do.

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>When he chose to do it, and Cabot's just been

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to coach him, to help it, make it easy.

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 3>But she's the scapegoat. She's the one everybody's mad at.

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>So at the squadroom, everyone's still in their outfits from

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Craigan has the like the report that he

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>suffered from hypoxia which led to cardiac arrest. He's on

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a respirator, there is brain activity. He could wake up,

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 1>but no one knows how much brain damage was done.

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things where they just have no

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>idea how much how bad it is. There was no note.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Cabot looks despondent, and Craigan is like, this kid had

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>problems way before you, and then she interrupts. She's like,

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>dump the phones. I want to know if Barnett made contact.

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 1>And Munch is like, already did it, babe. And it

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>turns out Sam made a fifteen second call to Barnett's

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>house around midnight. Fifteen seconds, and they're like, are you

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>going for coercion? It's going to be kind of tough

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to prove that fifteen second call that the victim initiated,

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>but he could have given Sam the idea to take

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>his own life, and Kraigan's like, I want to crucify

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 1>this guy. Sabler goes, we got one hit off of

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Priori's list. The guy's name is Benjamin Tucker, but

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>bad news. He's in Sing Sing convicted of molesting eight

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>year old girls. So not a perfect victim another or

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>not that there is, but you know the cop see

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it that way. Cabots like set up the meeting. I

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>got to save this case. Kresler filed a motion to dismiss,

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 1>so fuck now. She's in chambers with Petrovski and the

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>late Great Joanna Merlin, and Kresler is arguing that the

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>completing witnesses incapacitated prosecution cannot meet its burden of proof,

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and Cabot's like, it's been twelve hours, he's not dead.

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>This is premature, and Kresler's being Kressler, and Petrovski's like, dude,

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it's really not cute how gleeful you are about this tragedy, Like, let's.

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Kill the enthusiasm.

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I loved that line. Yeah, what a dick. This was

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>an episode that we tried to get her full We

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>tried to get Joanna Merlin for this episode, and she

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>wrote us back and said, this sounds like a real like,

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>this sounds like a lot of fun. But she passed

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>like she liked the idea of the podcast, and then

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>she passed on doing the podcast, and then she did

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>pass away like months later or so I can understand why.

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.439
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she didn't want to spend her the last months

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 1>of her life doing a podcast. But we love her

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>so much. But Petrowski says, this guy does have a

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>right to a speedy trial. Cabot like, I'll give you

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>three days. And Cabot's like, well, what about the grand

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 1>jury testimony? Can't that be readitt trial? And Kressler's like, well,

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't cross examined. My client has a right to

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>confront his accuser. Cabot ret references people versus Garassi. When

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 1>a witness has been intimidated by a defendant, you can

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>use grand jury testimony, which we've seen before. We've seen

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>grand jury testimony when people have been like murdered or like,

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>She argues and it's not the testimony. But I always

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 2>think of the Narda Leia episode where the girls like

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>her dying declaration and the oh yes exactly.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>When she has like sepsis so habit's arguing it. But

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Petrov so many good episodes of the show.

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy, I know so many we haven't even touched yet.

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Cabbot tries to argue, but Petrovsky's like, bitch your bootstrapping.

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>The grand jury testimony is out. Cabot begs, but Petrovsky

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 1>is like, three days, babe, or I throw it out.

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>And then now we're at Sing Sing talking to Benjamin Tucker,

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.879
<v Speaker 1>and this is Lee Pace, who is the actor from

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Body's Body's Bodies. I only started to know about him

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>because Evan ross Katz is obsessed and posts him all

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the time. Is like, because he's like six foot four,

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>he's very like hot and tall, gay actor, and he's

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 1>been in Twilight, Hobbit, like Marvel stuff. I just don't

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 1>know him from much, and I only know him from

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Evan ross Katz's Instagram. And this is him in a

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>young role. And he tells Cabot, Benson, and Stabler, who

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>are all there at Sing Sing talking to him, He's like, yeah,

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I started offending when I was eighteen. I had a

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of anger and self hatred because of what Roy

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Barnett did to me, and my parents were you know, distant,

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, about that kid who odeed, I could testify,

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, unfortunately, you have a history of lying

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and trying to get your sentences reduced, so it's probably

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>not gonna happen. And they're like, well, did Roy keep

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 1>any mementos?

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 3>W wait, did you say this? It's Lee Pace's first credit.

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh this is oh I didn't even know that, and beize, yeah,

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it's his first credit, first credit. So they're like, did

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 1>he keep any mementos? And he goes, I don't remember,

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they can kind of tell he's bullshitting,

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and Cabot's like, what do you want? And he's like,

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to transfer to a psych facility for sex offenders.

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't belong in prison, and he admits. He's like,

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I did terrible things, but now I know they were wrong,

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to stay away from temptation, no schools

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 1>or malls. It's like, I don't believe this guy. I

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think anybody else does either, And Cabot's like, I'll

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>consider some like some kind of deal with you if

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it leads to Burnett's conviction, and that's it, Like no

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>other deals take it or leave it right now, or

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm out of here. So he agrees. He's like, Roy

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 1>is smart. He knew to never keep records. Videotapes were

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>his weakness. He would send them to us, And I'm

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 1>that seems like a big record. This is the smartest

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 1>pedophile in the world. You're just sending video evidence to

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>your victims. Like, what the fuck are we talking about here.

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>This is a guy who's gotten away with this for

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>years and years, Like, no mom has ever found a tape,

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 1>No one's ever gone to the police with a tape.

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy to mail them to your victims. But I

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>guess that's how cocky he was and how confident he

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 1>was that he had these kids in like a choke

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 1>hold emotionally. So Tucker's like, he definitely would have sent

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>videos to that guy Sam, that kid like he couldn't

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 1>help himself. So they go to the hospital to talk

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to Sam's mom. They're like, you gotta let us search

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>your house. She's like, no, leave, Like she's literally sitting

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>next to her comatose son, like cleaning his respirator tubes,

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>like she's not in the mood. And she's like, you

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 1>guys could have just shot him it maybe would have

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>been better. I don't ever want to see you people

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>ever again. So at the precinct, Cabot is pissed that

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>they didn't get through to the mom. But it's like, girl,

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 1>she hates you guys. What about Tucker. Cabot's like, fuck no,

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>he's the worst witness ever. Stabler is needling her like, well,

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>why don't you make him a good witness? And she

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.400
<v Speaker 1>gets pissy with Stabler and she's like, I try the

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>cases that you guys give me. You don't like the evidence,

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 1>go find some more. I can't do your job too.

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Craigan goes, you're not alone mad in this Like I

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 1>have never seen her this mad. She's so mad and

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's really good. Like Craigan goes, you're out of line,

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, I'm not out of line. And I

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:23.839
<v Speaker 1>don't work for you. You work for me, and your

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 1>sole purpose is to give me a case I can proxecute, prosecute,

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>not one I have to fix. So then Cragan does

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 1>gentle parenting here, This is what I would call gentle parenting.

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Craigan goes, so tell us, how can we help you?

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>What can we do to help you win this case,

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and Cabot like calms down, she regulates, she goes, nothing,

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:44.919
<v Speaker 1>You've done all you can, and then she just walks out.

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Now at trial, Cabot is requesting a continuance to gather

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>additional evidence, and Petrovski's like, girl, like I told you

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 1>three days. She dismisses the case and Cabot looks like

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 1>she just got punched in the fucking gut. Now, Cabot's

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>walking and talking with Petrowski like, I gotta get a

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 1>warrant to search the Kavanaugh house and like Petrovski's like,

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>oh cool, where are the tapes? She's like at the

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Kavitol House And she's like, and you've got a reliable

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 1>source and she's like, well, it's a guy who's in

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>sing sing for a sex offense. Petrovsky's like, I cannot

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 1>believe you even came to me with this, Like this

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>is wild. She's like, I can't order a search based

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 1>on the dubious word of a convicted pedophile.

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 3>I know, but he was also molested.

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because this is season three, I do think a judge,

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 1>like in more current seasons, would be like Jess, because

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.680
<v Speaker 1>someone's incarcerated, It doesn't negate their victim status or like

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:38.839
<v Speaker 1>any information they could help with the case. You know,

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in fact, it's a huge part of the prison industrial

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>complex that people reap people that are victims, offend and reoffend,

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's like that's part of it. So

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 1>she goes, you look like hell, Alexandra gets some sleep,

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.080
<v Speaker 1>So now Sailor's getting to work, and Benson's like, we

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:56.359
<v Speaker 1>got a head to the Cavanaughs. Alex must have called

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.399
<v Speaker 1>in a big favor to get a warrant. So now

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>they're there at the Cavanaughs, and cab it is like

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>telling missus Kavanaugh, your house is a crime scene. Your

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>son's suicide attempt is being treated as an attempted homicide

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 1>because it was never investigated. So it's like she's loopholing

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 1>some shit. Here. The mom tries to shut the door

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in Cabot's face, but she stops her, and she's like,

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll take the blame for what happened to Sam, but

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>don't let Roy Barnett get away with this, and then

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 1>she the woman. The mom glares at Cabot but does

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>let her in, and Benson asks Cabot, are there restrictions

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 1>on the warrant the search warrant and Cabbot just goes, Nope,

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:32.359
<v Speaker 1>whatever you can bind. So Stabler finds a cubby hole

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in the back of like a shelf of Sam's closet

0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that has a package in it with a return address

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that is Barnett's, and I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, this.

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Kid worked with the cops for a month and didn't

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 3>turn this in.

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.800
<v Speaker 1>But then they go it's unopened, and I'm like, okay,

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.359
<v Speaker 1>so the guy got this package from this guy and

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 1>just too traumatized, didn't open it, just hit it. But okay,

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 1>they open it up, spill it out four VHS tapes,

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know it's not It's not just like some

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 1>fun dizzy movies. So they show up to Barnett's home.

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 1>He's mid move. Look at that someone's leaving town, and

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.120
<v Speaker 1>they arrest his ass. Benson and Stables show up at

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the squad. They're like, Barnett's in processing, let's all go

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.360
<v Speaker 1>do shots at Mulligans and let's celebrate, and Finn's like,

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.399
<v Speaker 1>not a good idea. And then this is where Finn

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>goes Dad's mad, which I think is like a line

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that we love and I can't remember.

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I could remember it was from this episode. He goes,

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Dad's mad and it's really good.

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Craigan goes, get your asses into my office, So yeah,

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Dad is pissed. Craigan accuses them of searching the Kavanaugh

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 1>place without consent, and they're like, we had a search warrant,

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and Craigan goes try again. They look stunned. Craigan's piecing

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:40.799
<v Speaker 1>it together. They're like, are you saying Cabot told you

0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 1>she had a warrant? Stabler goes, I don't remember, and

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.680
<v Speaker 1>she's like she didn't, and then Benson goes, she didn't

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.799
<v Speaker 1>actually say, but like she told us to meet her there,

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:54.319
<v Speaker 1>and basically the search implied she had a warrant. And

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Benson says Cabot was trying to protect us. The taped

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 1>show Barnett with half a dozen boys. We would have

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.439
<v Speaker 1>never known about these boys, and k Kraigan's like, yeah,

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 1>but if the judge throws them out, it's like we

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>never did, so that's fucked. It's like, you do have

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 1>to find everything the right way. In court. Kressler is

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>now screaming to the rooftops that Cabot lied her way

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 1>into the Kavanaugh's home with an illegal search, and Cabot tries,

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 1>we were investigating the suicide attempt, and Petrovski is not

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.720
<v Speaker 1>buying it. Krestler's like, this is a Fourth Amendment violation,

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and Cabot argues Barnett's rights were not violated. Only Linda

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Kavanaugh's rights were violated. But she is not the defendant.

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 1>He has no standing to contest a search of someone

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.279
<v Speaker 1>else's home. And Krestler's like, so what, You're like the Gestapo.

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>You could just march into anybody's house at any time.

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>And Petrovsky says, while I deplore the ada Cabot's actions,

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I have to agree with her. The illegal search of

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Linda Kavanaugh's home is a civil tourt. The defendant's privacy

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 1>was not violated. But then Petrovski lays into Cabot, the

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>liberties you've taken, the disdain toward the law. It's unethical

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's a just grace to your position. I will

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.239
<v Speaker 1>recommend your office look into your actions. And you've done

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>yourself a disservice in my courtroom. I won't forget it.

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>And Cabbot looks like not that bothered. She's kind of like,

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.800
<v Speaker 1>h okay, I'll send you a nice bottle of Scotch

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Like she doesn't look that.

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Upset well because she got away with it.

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Cabot tells goes out and tells Benson and

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Stabler the tapes are in, and she goes, well, Petrofsky

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 1>acted like I killed her dog and another she goes,

0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 1>just add another enemy to the list. It's like, yeah,

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 1>but most of your enemies are like drug dealers, not

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like judges that you need for Warrens. And they do

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.080
<v Speaker 1>go on to have a very sweet relationship, like I

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:40.160
<v Speaker 1>do think they have. Like when Cabbot comes back from

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.080
<v Speaker 1>witness protection, Petrofski like hates the man that like did

0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the fake killing, right, Like she's like, that was my friend,

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Alex Cabot, And she tells Benson and Stabler or Cabot

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 1>does She's like, you guys were never in jeopardy. I

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 1>made sure it was all gonna fall on me. And

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>they're like, you still should have told us, and Alex like,

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry you were in the middle of this, but

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sorry about the rest of it. So cut

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to the arrange where they're just announcing a never ending

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.279
<v Speaker 1>list of charges against this scumbag Roy Burnett about all

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the stuff they found on the tape. It's like sodomy, coercion,

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like everything. He glares at Alex and she looks

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.439
<v Speaker 1>so smug and satisfied as she should. And this guy

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 1>knows he's fucked, like he's probably never getting out of jail.

0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 1>And Sam's mom is in the gallery and so at

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>least she got to see this guy fucking get you know,

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 1>legally put away. Cut to Donnelly giving Cabot a one

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 1>month suspension without pay, and she's like, that's a gift,

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 1>so don't argue.

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Donnelly goes, Luckily, LANDA.

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Kavanaugh decided not to file a civil suit against you, me,

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the NYPD, or the city for your illegal search. Congrats

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 1>on setting back civil liberties about two hundred years. She goes, well,

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.359
<v Speaker 1>it was her choice to let me in, like cause

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.879
<v Speaker 1>Cabot did stop the door. But then the woman did

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like just turn around and say yeah, come on in,

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 1>so or like not yeah, come on in, but she

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't stop them anymore.

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:57.319
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. It's just kind of a sneaky move.

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I like it. And Donnelly goes, no, you decided that

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>for her you think that makes you passionate and righteous,

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and Cabot goes, I take full responsibility. She goes, of

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 1>course you took it for the greater good, the safety

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of society. But that's bullshit. You did this for you,

0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>And Cabot's like, I did this for hundreds of Barnet's

0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.759
<v Speaker 1>future victims, and she goes, no, you did it for one,

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>for Sam Kavanaugh. Did it work? Did it assuade your guilt?

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And Alex says no, I don't think that's gonna happen

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon, and Donnallee goes, I got news for you.

0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:30.279
<v Speaker 1>It won't happen ever, and Alex looks stunned. And then

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that is Dick Wolf baby.

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Bam.

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:38.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, sad and yeah, more sadness. Oh wait, yeah,

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 2>so I.

0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:50.439
<v Speaker 1>Can't wait to hear the real life story. So there's

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:51.680
<v Speaker 1>two cases.

0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 4>Here, and there's a lot.

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Of overlap with the episode and all of it and

0:55:56.640 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 2>both of them. So, okay, this is the Peter Dudley

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Albertson case. Peter met a set of brothers in nineteen

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>eighty five while working as a counselor slash lifeguard at

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Monkton Summer Camp.

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So uh oh, camp.

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't like a camp thing now, but I

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 2>guess that's There's like a girl on TikTok. Her dad's

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:21.399
<v Speaker 2>an SVU detective and she has a viral TikTok where

0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 2>she's like things my dad did as an SVU detective

0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 2>and dad that you might be mad about. And one

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.799
<v Speaker 2>was he would never send the kids. It's like no sleepovers,

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>no summer camp, and no going to the bathroom by

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:35.319
<v Speaker 2>herself was a kid.

0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I guess that's this dad SVU. Guys, I'm letting

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:42.120
<v Speaker 1>my kids do all three of those already. So u oh.

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:46.959
<v Speaker 2>So it's matt and Justin Wilkie and like this dude

0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 2>befriended them and their parents before starting to molest the

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 2>boys at his Hampton row house. The boys were eleven

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and nine when they met, and then the abuse began

0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:00.399
<v Speaker 2>was when Justin was eleven and Matthew was thirteen, and

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:04.319
<v Speaker 2>he molested the boys for nearly two years, and he

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.760
<v Speaker 2>befriended the parents in such a way that they allowed

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the brothers to spend.

0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Weekends with this dude. Oh ye ye.

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.359
<v Speaker 2>And then Matthew kept its secret for the whole two

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>years and then finally told his mother and she reported it.

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 2>And this dude was arrested in nineteen ninety on a

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 2>series of crimes, and the prosecutors to make a deal

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 2>dropped the charges involving Matt and most of those involving Justin,

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:31.080
<v Speaker 2>and in return, Albertson pled guilty to one count of

0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 2>child abuse from molesting Justin. What that's not enough? Two

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:36.560
<v Speaker 2>years of abuse? One count?

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Like that so fucked up?

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.760
<v Speaker 2>What was the deal? Why was it a deal? Oh,

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 2>it gets even worse, it gets even worse. Well, they

0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't they didn't want the boys to testify, so they

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to traumatize them more So, if this guy's,

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, pled guilty, it would be easier. But he

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:57.920
<v Speaker 2>only got three years and then five years probation. But

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>then there were recommendations for psychologists and prosecutors in nineteen

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>ninety and the judge suspended his three year prison term

0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and just gave him probation and with a condition, and

0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 2>only one condition, stay away from Justin.

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't. That's so fucked Oh my god. Uh

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:22.680
<v Speaker 1>like it's like what also, I don't get why, Like,

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>if it's kids involved in cases, why can't we just

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like videotape them in a room with like someone asking

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:30.680
<v Speaker 1>them a list of questions, and both sides get to

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 1>write down the list of questions and that's it. And

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:34.919
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be there in the same room

0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 1>with the person that did this to you, and you

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:39.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have to be like there's no reporters like for kids, Like,

0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.400
<v Speaker 1>why can't we like do that? It seems so crazy.

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:45.040
<v Speaker 1>You can be able to confront your accuser. But the

0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:47.120
<v Speaker 1>reason people choose people this young is because they know

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they'll be too scared.

0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and it's like kids don't have adult rights,

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>so if you do that, that means you don't get

0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the right to like see your accuser.

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:57.640
<v Speaker 3>And corps like fuck off.

0:58:58.560 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Ugh.

0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the motherfucker just got probation and some psychological

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:06.680
<v Speaker 2>help and they're like, please stay away from the kids.

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 2>He violated his probation and stock Justin sent love letters.

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 2>He showed up to Justin's nineteen ninety four graduation from

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Layola High School.

0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 3>He showed up in the driveway of his home his

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 3>favorite hangouts.

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Justin was so scared that eventually Albertson would kill him

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 2>for not being able to have him, So Justin was

0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 2>sent two videos of child abuse videos.

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:31.200
<v Speaker 1>But because this.

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Guy was in Germany, it counted as like a federal offense.

0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:39.080
<v Speaker 2>So the Albertson was in Germany, and in May nineteen

0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, right before the probation was going to expire,

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Albertson mailed a package for Justin's nineteenth birthday, and the

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 2>video was so explicit, and by mailing it to the US,

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was a tape and a card

0:59:56.400 --> 1:00:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and two letters that totaled twenty five pages. This kind

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 2>of just destroyed the whole family. So within fifteen months

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:08.240
<v Speaker 2>of mailing the tape in nineteen ninety five, Justin, Matt,

1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and their father all took their own lives and God

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and all in the same way, all with like cars

1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:17.160
<v Speaker 2>and carbon monoxide.

1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the tape, I read like represented the family's inability

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 2>to keep this motherfucker away. And so the father, Dawn,

1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:30.160
<v Speaker 2>was fifty six. He was devastated by what happened to

1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>his son. His marriage fell apart, his ex wife moved

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to Florida, and then two days after Thanksgiving in nineteen

1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:39.400
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, he exfixiated himself in his car and then

1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:41.800
<v Speaker 2>three months later, Justin ended his life in the same way,

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:43.479
<v Speaker 2>and there was a note in the car that.

1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Said, I hate you Pete.

1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's by the Tampa Bay Times, that is who

1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:54.480
<v Speaker 2>reported that quote. And August nineteen ninety six, Matt, who

1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:56.680
<v Speaker 2>believed he should have done more to protect his brother,

1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.800
<v Speaker 2>funneled carbon monoxide into his car after diving deep into

1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>a Baltimore County cornfields. The boys are I know, I know,

1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:09.040
<v Speaker 2>it's not a good one. And the boy's aunt said

1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.760
<v Speaker 2>to the Baltimore son that if this was done right

1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to begin with, we wouldn't be here today.

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:15.920
<v Speaker 3>It's terrible.

1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:19.920
<v Speaker 2>And the assistant state's Attorney, Jan m Alexander, a man.

1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I know Jan could go the other way, but I

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.200
<v Speaker 2>want it to be clear. It's a man said that

1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:28.840
<v Speaker 2>this has haunted him and been such a hard thing.

1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:31.320
<v Speaker 2>This is to the Baltimore son, he said, I did

1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:33.520
<v Speaker 2>sex crimes for six years, and you always want to

1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:34.680
<v Speaker 2>try to protect the kids.

1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:36.400
<v Speaker 3>This is a prosecutor's nightmare.

1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:38.000
<v Speaker 1>But this is the.

1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Same guy who thought a three year prison term in

1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:44.720
<v Speaker 2>five year probation was reasonable since Albertson had no criminal

1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:48.240
<v Speaker 2>pass and that the Wilke's mother didn't want her sons

1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:49.520
<v Speaker 2>to testify an open court.

1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I just don't get why the cops why he was

1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:56.400
<v Speaker 1>not arrested for violating this stay away from Justin rule

1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:58.760
<v Speaker 1>when he showed up at the high school graduation and

1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 1>he did all this shit, Like why, I don't get it.

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 2>And so at this time, he then pleads guilty to

1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:11.200
<v Speaker 2>violating the probation, and the Baltimore Circuit Court judge is

1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Edward J. Angaletti, and he accepted the guilty plea, and

1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:18.480
<v Speaker 2>then Albertson was sentenced to a ten year federal prison

1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:21.320
<v Speaker 2>term for sending Justin the tape of child abuse videos

1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:24.720
<v Speaker 2>without the possibility of parole. And that was the max

1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:28.240
<v Speaker 2>was the ten years. But he's just so sick. In

1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:31.360
<v Speaker 2>an open court, he told spectators in a stunned court

1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:36.480
<v Speaker 2>in quotes, I loved Justin. According to the Baltimore Paper,

1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:38.760
<v Speaker 2>he continued, I loved him very much. And when they

1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:41.360
<v Speaker 2>told me he wasn't old enough at fourteen, I said, okay,

1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll wait for him. He was like a sick He

1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:47.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, he's like, no one misses him more than me,

1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:52.080
<v Speaker 2>like in front of his fucking family. And then he continued,

1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:54.360
<v Speaker 2>he was my family, he was my friend, he was

1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:57.600
<v Speaker 2>my brother and my lover, and he made a fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minute statement and the judge gave the max. But then

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<v Speaker 2>US District Judge William Nickerson called this sentence unfortunately inadequate.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, especially with the facts of the case. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's to the Tampa Bay Times, And so then the

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<v Speaker 2>judge added an extra three years to his sentence for

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<v Speaker 2>violating the probation like a long time ago. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still a little too late, like fuck you and Angeletti,

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<v Speaker 2>you should not be sitting on the bench.

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<v Speaker 1>So and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel if they're saying Judith Leif's character did something like

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<v Speaker 2>this and the show, she shouldn't be on the fucking bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like disgusting. I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how someone molests kids for years and

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<v Speaker 2>gets probation, Like it's so fucked up. And yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>you were reinstated the jail time he should have had

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. And then again at the Baltimore Sun,

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<v Speaker 2>it seemed no amount of jail time would keep Albertson

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<v Speaker 2>from abusing children. And that's a quote from the judge,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, yeah, so why would you let him go? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find him in the sexual registry, which it

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<v Speaker 2>seems fucked up. I should be able to see where

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<v Speaker 2>he lives. But I did find him in the federal

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<v Speaker 2>inmate lock look up so but he hasn't been in

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<v Speaker 2>custody since January seventeenth, two thousand and eight, and I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't find an obituary either.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he changed his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Should I tell them? World should be telling? Should I

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<v Speaker 2>tell the FBI that he like, why isn't he on

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<v Speaker 2>the list?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? Where is this guy? Or maybe he has like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he's one of these guys, Like did you try?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, because if you looked up Peter Dudley Albertson,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have given you Dudley Peter too, like in

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<v Speaker 1>case he was like a kind of guy that went

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<v Speaker 1>by his middle name or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of options, yeah, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different options of all the names.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird, sir, that's weird. He should be on a registry.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a federal registry. It's not by state.

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<v Speaker 2>They have state ones and they have federal This was

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<v Speaker 2>a federal crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. I don't know. That's crazy. I think you should

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<v Speaker 1>give a little tip tip to the FBI. No, where's

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<v Speaker 1>the sky. I really want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, so and then the next case even worse if that,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can even imagine, well, I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 2>all seems really bad. So the will we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to compare tragedies. So it's the William Gode case. And

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is believed to have abused up to three

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred boys. And one of his quotes is like

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<v Speaker 2>direct from the episode, like he was bragging one year,

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<v Speaker 2>but he denies it. He is quoted saying, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>beat my record this year and it was like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty five boys for the year.

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<v Speaker 3>So and he was doing this for decades. It's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>But even like I'm reading the news about the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five hundred boys and it's on the BBC where

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy several works, and they allowed him, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>they knew that he was abusing kids, So it's all

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<v Speaker 2>just so kind of twisted. The Plymouth Herald in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK called him a sex beast, and he was a

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<v Speaker 2>millionaire businessman. He owned discount shops and market stalls, and

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<v Speaker 2>he groomed his victims by offering them jobs and then

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<v Speaker 2>slowly inviting them into his home and then not only

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<v Speaker 2>did the abuse happen in his home, but at the

1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:04.920
<v Speaker 2>warehouses in his van camping trips, and he had a

1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:08.720
<v Speaker 2>cottage in Darmoor. The abuse is believed to have gone

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<v Speaker 2>back as far as nineteen sixty five. That's why the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers are like in the thousands. Yeah, but the abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>like they don't have to believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a trail.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of those things that make us

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<v Speaker 2>so mad on this podcast because there's a fucking history.

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<v Speaker 2>So in October of nineteen seventy two he had a

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<v Speaker 2>conviction and indecency with a child and in decent assault

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<v Speaker 2>on a male. He got probation for three years. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what this is about molesters only getting probation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like a pedophile probation program is confusing to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>then in nineteen eighty he was convicted of two counts

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<v Speaker 2>of indecent assault, two counts of procuring an act of

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<v Speaker 2>gross indecency, and one count of indecency with children. And

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<v Speaker 2>finally in April nineteen eighty seven, he was convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>three indecent assault and sentenced to six months imprisonment and

1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:06.560
<v Speaker 2>suspended for two years, which I guess is probably like

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<v Speaker 2>probation in England.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety one, he opens.

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<v Speaker 2>This market, so he's like so he like serves time

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<v Speaker 2>and then is able to just like party on and

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<v Speaker 2>make this cool market that kids get to go to.

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<v Speaker 2>And nineteen ninety four finally a boy comes forward about

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse, and in nineteen ninety five he's arrested, but

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<v Speaker 2>then the court said that further charges would be an

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<v Speaker 2>abusive process and the case was dropped. What yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>then in nineteen ninety six and nineteen ninety seven further

1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:42.840
<v Speaker 2>allegations against God are formally made to police and then

1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:46.440
<v Speaker 2>to go backwards, like he owned two houses that overlooked

1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:50.040
<v Speaker 2>school playgrounds, so he was still after all of these

1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:53.320
<v Speaker 2>able to like live next to schools. He also set

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<v Speaker 2>up play areas in his Cornish market world. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a Kid's World with a z kids World's Adventure Play,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the largest indoor children's playparks, and the staff,

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<v Speaker 2>in quotes to the Plymouth Herald, said he would happily

1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:10.200
<v Speaker 2>sit and watch the children play for hours at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>He ran a camping club and then he started like

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<v Speaker 2>paying kids off to introduce him to their friends for

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<v Speaker 2>fifty pounds and he would silence children with drugs, money, sweets, toys,

1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:27.639
<v Speaker 2>and the classic of threatening violence to them and their

1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:30.760
<v Speaker 2>families if they told anybody. One boy was supposed to

1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:34.479
<v Speaker 2>kidnap someone for him but couldn't do it, and then

1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:37.880
<v Speaker 2>he was like raped and beaten worse than normal because

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And so there was just like good punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>And for decades people didn't believe these boys or care.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was found out that some of these kids

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<v Speaker 2>went to the police and the cops called them lying

1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:55.519
<v Speaker 2>little queers, and so that's cool, and of course I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>We both said, cool, okay, And of course he knew

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<v Speaker 2>how to pick his victims. He targeted boys whose parents

1:09:02.439 --> 1:09:06.080
<v Speaker 2>were on the breadline. That's not my word desperate. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know England had breadlines, but maybe it's just a

1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:12.160
<v Speaker 2>saying desperate for any kind of maybe yeah, desperate for

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of financial support or aid. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be poor ass kids and he'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a job or a task and I can

1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:22.000
<v Speaker 2>give your family money. So he really appeared like a

1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:26.200
<v Speaker 2>saving grace to people. And then some boys lived in

1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:29.200
<v Speaker 2>children's homes and he had access to these homes as

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<v Speaker 2>a quote uncle, like he was just this like market

1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:35.920
<v Speaker 2>wizard of the community. And for some of the abuse

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<v Speaker 2>at home, Like for some of these kids, the abuse

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<v Speaker 2>was so bad at home that like his abuse was

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<v Speaker 2>chiller than the abuse they had at home, Oh so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And like there's like one victim who lived in such

1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:51.040
<v Speaker 2>poverty that he said that he cried the first time

1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:53.599
<v Speaker 2>God hugged him because he had never been shown such

1:09:53.680 --> 1:10:00.679
<v Speaker 2>kindness before. So once these like inquiries started to bubble up,

1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:04.120
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight, he fled to Thailand. He had

1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:07.439
<v Speaker 2>a false pass poor and he knew the police were

1:10:07.479 --> 1:10:10.640
<v Speaker 2>on his tail. And I wonder how, I wonder how

1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:14.559
<v Speaker 2>the cops knew all about this. There's more. So he

1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:17.960
<v Speaker 2>was arrested finally in two thousand and three. He pled

1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:21.160
<v Speaker 2>guilty to fourteen counts of serious sexual assault and two

1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:24.439
<v Speaker 2>counts of indecent assault. He was jailed in two thousand

1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:27.879
<v Speaker 2>and four at Plymouth Crown Court and he was sentenced

1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:31.600
<v Speaker 2>to life. He was jailed at age sixty, and a

1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:33.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of his victims were there and they cheered and

1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:37.160
<v Speaker 2>really had a joyous moment in that second I mean

1:10:37.240 --> 1:10:41.040
<v Speaker 2>probably complicated feelings. And then before this court case started,

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<v Speaker 2>though two of his victims did take their own life.

1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:47.960
<v Speaker 2>But after two thousand and eight, when all of us

1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:52.040
<v Speaker 2>like was legit and they could see that court was happening,

1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot more victims started coming forward, at a rate

1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:58.479
<v Speaker 2>of one a week. He tried to get parole in

1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:02.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten, but also not lol with what we've seen.

1:11:03.000 --> 1:11:06.160
<v Speaker 2>He died in prison though of natural causes, in twenty twelve,

1:11:06.160 --> 1:11:11.000
<v Speaker 2>at the age of sixty eight. So, Tom there's an

1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:14.200
<v Speaker 2>ex detective Shirley Thompson, and she said that many victims

1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:16.519
<v Speaker 2>spoke to her an inquiry in two thousand and three

1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:22.680
<v Speaker 2>that identified several other abusers, but senior officers wanted to

1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:28.120
<v Speaker 2>restrict the inquiry and focus just on God. Oh and

1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:30.760
<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirteen, she said this ring could still be

1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:34.080
<v Speaker 2>active today. So I think this was like a powerful

1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:37.040
<v Speaker 2>sex string of fucking freaks, and that's why the cops

1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:42.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't really do much. Yeah, And I think it's very Epstein. Yeah,

1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:44.679
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's like really powerful people. I couldn't

1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:48.599
<v Speaker 2>find more evidence, but I believe Thompson. But also this

1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:51.600
<v Speaker 2>case shows the depths of trauma from abuse for generations

1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:55.120
<v Speaker 2>of victims, you know, many you know hit the bottle,

1:11:55.520 --> 1:12:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the alcohol, drugs, you know, violence towards themselves and and

1:12:01.240 --> 1:12:04.520
<v Speaker 2>it also turned a lot of young boys into problematic criminals.

1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:08.280
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of these things eventually lead to death.

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<v Speaker 2>And no matter how many victims came forward about other

1:12:10.920 --> 1:12:14.400
<v Speaker 2>men in the ring and abusers, no no arrests were

1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:19.600
<v Speaker 2>ever made or like, no prosecution of any other suspected offenders.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only reason they investigated this at all is

1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:26.479
<v Speaker 2>because a report showed how they failed to do enough

1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:28.640
<v Speaker 2>for decades. They were forced to do all this and

1:12:28.640 --> 1:12:32.400
<v Speaker 2>then nothing really came of it. Detective Inspector Mike Cooper

1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to the Plymouth Herald only said, the reasons why we

1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:38.960
<v Speaker 2>did not formally proceed against any suspected offenders has been

1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:40.080
<v Speaker 2>fully explained to the.

1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Victims, and that's it. Yeah, if you're like a millionaire,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of never believe you're working alone or

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<v Speaker 1>like heaven, you know, you don't have other names of people.

1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm not buying. Oh that's awful. Yeah, at least, yeah,

1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, at least in this case. This guy fucking

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<v Speaker 1>died in jail.

1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:08.679
<v Speaker 2>But now gas so well, so talking about their palette,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just roll right into our post mortem.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode, it's a nightmare, is a nightmare. It is

1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:25.280
<v Speaker 1>truly a nightmare. Family, a whole family. These fucking molesters, man,

1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I know, and Lilfish. Yeah, and just like these guys

1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that just do they I don't know. It's like this,

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<v Speaker 1>the main character in the episode, just so brazen and

1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:40.600
<v Speaker 1>like you think you're never gonna get caught, like you

1:13:40.720 --> 1:13:42.479
<v Speaker 1>just I guess you just do it for so long

1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:44.160
<v Speaker 1>that you don't get caught. And you're like, I'm the

1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:46.280
<v Speaker 1>best pedophile there is and no one's gonna catch me.

1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:49.639
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna male videotapes of my crimes around,

1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing is like listen, you don't even have

1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:55.320
<v Speaker 2>to go to jail, just leave this family alone. And

1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:58.280
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, he can't do it, but fuck the

1:13:58.680 --> 1:14:00.919
<v Speaker 2>justice system. Why so much, Leewaye.

1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:06.080
<v Speaker 1>So these fucking molesters, I know, lock them up, like what,

1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:10.680
<v Speaker 1>walk them up? Especially this guy in the episode. I

1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.879
<v Speaker 1>know he's not real, but like he had prior crimes

1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and they were It's like I think when there's repeat

1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:17.679
<v Speaker 1>crimes happening, it's like this is a person that cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be in society without hurting children.

1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just but it's one of my favorite

1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:27.880
<v Speaker 2>episodes in terms of, you know, the lawyer's breaking the

1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:33.560
<v Speaker 2>rules and like, yeah, kind of an exciting showdown.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel bad that everybody shits on Cowbot the

1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:38.320
<v Speaker 1>whole time when she's truly just trying to put away

1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.639
<v Speaker 1>a very very bad pedophile and everyone's like happy now,

1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like like, well, I'm really just trying to get justice

1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:49.160
<v Speaker 1>for your kid, but oh.

1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it shouldn't be so much on victim's statements, Like

1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:55.800
<v Speaker 2>we have to make it like we're so concerned with

1:14:56.000 --> 1:14:58.960
<v Speaker 2>rapists and criminals and murder, but also, you know, there's

1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:02.240
<v Speaker 2>so much injustice that way, but like we're so concerned

1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:05.840
<v Speaker 2>with them getting fair legal trial. We're not concerned with

1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:08.800
<v Speaker 2>rape victims having to testify and be confronted by their

1:15:08.880 --> 1:15:11.559
<v Speaker 2>people and like all of that stuff, Like why is

1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the priority not protecting victims but like making sure these

1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:21.760
<v Speaker 2>rapists no one says anything disparaging mistrial, Like yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, well I get it, but it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's frustrating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what I said. I think when we were recording

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, I was like I get the the it's

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional and you have like the right to confront your

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<v Speaker 1>accuser or whatever, like that's in the law. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think with like, if you're under eighteen, like you're a

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<v Speaker 1>child that's going to cause you massive trauma, then why

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<v Speaker 1>can't it just be like videotaped in advance, like just

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyer and the child, and then the other person's

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer can go in there and there's a guardian, like

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<v Speaker 1>you can get crossings, you can cross examine the child.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying the child just gets to tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story with no cross examination, but that they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to sit in the room with their abuser. Like that

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<v Speaker 1>feels like a weird that feels like that's something we

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to loophole around, is all I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we should be able to get around that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean forever, we would have to beg to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, can we still prosecute these rapists? The

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<v Speaker 2>kids were scared, and it's like, yeah, it's a day

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<v Speaker 2>too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they should have come to the cops earlier. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't talk yet, fuck them, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's so wild what we expect if people who

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<v Speaker 2>have just gone through like the worst thing ever. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so fucking weird. I don't know, not things even bring

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<v Speaker 2>me joy anymore. I mean, this fucking election. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even play I'm not even playing Wordle every

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<v Speaker 2>day anymore. I'm not playing the games if I miss it, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even give a shit anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Cinematrix, are you okay, Lisa?

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<v Speaker 1>What's I have?

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I see Rosamond Pike, I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>get her out of this game. No, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I just the zest is just I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to watch. Yeah, I'm still in my horror movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Kick. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I ran into someone who watched Barbarian because.

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<v Speaker 2>They heard me talk about on the pot and then

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah it felt thrilling.

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<v Speaker 3>I like this influence I have over others.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I should become a fascist dictator, kick people out

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<v Speaker 2>of their homes. I mean, it's crazy what people voted for.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like speaking of people getting justice, Like, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>crazy that a couple of short months ago, we were

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<v Speaker 1>all watching Donald Trump fall asleep in a fucking courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>while he was getting you know, his convicted of thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six felony counts or whatever it is, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to see what was going to happen after

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<v Speaker 1>he lost, Like what justice he was going to see

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll never see it, you know. So that's just

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<v Speaker 1>another extra thing that I'm pissed about. We will never

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<v Speaker 1>uh will never, Oh my god, because people just like him.

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<v Speaker 1>They just think he's funny and cool. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he has a gold toilet, so they love that. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's move on to what would Sister Peg do

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of good in this People are still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do good in this world. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what would sister Peg do is when we point you

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<v Speaker 1>guys to a resource that gives you more info about

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode, and today we wanted that resource to be

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<v Speaker 1>the National Sexual Violence Resource Center. We have recommended this

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<v Speaker 1>organization before, but it was years ago, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would give them another shout out. They are

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<v Speaker 1>the leading nonprofit and providing information and tools to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>and respond to sexual violence. Every April, nsvr C lead

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<v Speaker 1>Sexual Assault Awareness Month, which is SAAM abbreviated, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign to educate and engage the public in addressing

1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:41.400
<v Speaker 1>this widespread issue. So for more info, go to NSVRC

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<v Speaker 1>dot org. We will link to that in a story

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<v Speaker 1>the day the episode comes out, and that will be

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<v Speaker 1>saved forever in our WWSPD highlights where all of our

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<v Speaker 1>what would sister peg dos are saved. If you ever

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<v Speaker 1>want to, you know, giving season is upon us. If

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<v Speaker 1>you ever want to go back and give to any organizations,

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<v Speaker 1>you can always scroll through and see if any other

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<v Speaker 1>organizations we've recommended, you know, resonate with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, wait, hold on, care you're gonna like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, I usually look crazy on flights, like sweatshirt, sweatpants,

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<v Speaker 2>I see, like, you know, do I already tell you this?

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<v Speaker 1>No? So yeah, I'm usually messy bun. And I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Shopping online and I saw kind of like a more

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<v Speaker 2>classy looking sweatsuit where it's like a little high neck

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<v Speaker 2>tank with like you know, those expensive pants our friend wears,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like on a doupe of those like wrinkles

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<v Speaker 2>silky kind of pants. And I was like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're my new Jenny Kine sweater. You know, I'll kind

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<v Speaker 2>of spruce it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll wear a boot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my family roast me from the moment I

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<v Speaker 2>got off the flight like it was like, are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to a meeting? They're like, what is this business casual?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no one let me even breathe an inch. And

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<v Speaker 2>then my mom used to work at a company and

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<v Speaker 2>Elan was like, wow, are you on lunch break from

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<v Speaker 2>new care services?

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<v Speaker 3>Like they're like are you doing payroll today?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no one understood why I was dressed in like

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<v Speaker 2>this business out.

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<v Speaker 1>He quarterly review, like yeah, that is so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'm going back to sweatshirts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I don't need this messy comfort see through sweatpants.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Or maybe those were my sweatpants that are see through.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get new ones now.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite sweatpants the cratch rapped. I mean, it's so

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<v Speaker 2>hard to dress in these months for me. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm not good at winter where I am struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm struggling on all accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, no, I will not come at violence. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know, but I'm pissed. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what we're doing next week and the

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<v Speaker 2>beat goes on next week. I mean, it is crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Joe Mandy always posts we live in hell,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just like I think of that all. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like always like, oh yeah, we live in hell, like

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<v Speaker 1>we live in hell.

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<v Speaker 3>I have enough good memories that'll keep me warm, I guess. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I have my health for now.

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<v Speaker 1>For now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's very Homer Simpson. It's the worst thing of

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<v Speaker 2>your life so far. The Ballad of Dwight and Irena.

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