WEBVTT - Podcast Princess, Business Baddie ft.Hala Taha (Ep 382) 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:20.439 Hey, hey, Hey, we're back. We're black ambition ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.040 Hey manager, how you doing girl, I'm doing so much 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:25.160 better now that I'm here. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.319 Yay, welcome back in the seal or whatever. You know. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:29.280 We have a guest today. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:34.360 I'm excited. Yeah, Lockily and you're a badass business body 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.080 which is hard to maintain. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.440 Both and if you kudos, so I'm gonna introduce these 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:45.280 Halla our guests. Halla Taha, dubbed the podcast Princess, is 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.680 the host of Young and Profiting yapp podcast, frequently raked 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.959 as the number one business and entrepreneurship podcast across all 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.200 the apps okay. Halla is also the founder and CEO 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.000 of yap Media, a business podcast network with an award 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.640 winning social media and podcast marketing agency for top podcasters, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.360 celebrities and CEOs. She is well known for her engaged 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:14.120 following and influence on LinkedIn. Young and Profiting Podcast is 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.160 a top one hundred podcasts globally, and Holla has interviewed 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:23.280 starred studded guests from the likes of Matthew McConaughey, am, 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:28.120 Alex Hormozy, I'm the worst, Deepak Chopra, We love depat Okay, 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.720 David John, Seth Godden, who Seith Godden is like the 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.960 man when it comes to marketing, and countless others. Her 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.639 show was recognized in twenty twenty two as a webby 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.440 Honoree Am You know we love Webb's around here and 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.319 Holla has been featured in publications like Entrepreneur, Founder and 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.720 The New York Times. She is an expert on networking, marketing, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:56.560 social media, personal branding, side hustles, entrepreneurship, and podcasting. Whoo 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.600 hollow we call that what being Ah, you're a brown girl. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:02.760 How I'm gonna ask you where you're from? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.800 I am brown girl. Well, where I'm from is super 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.480 relevant right now. I'm one hundred percent Palestinian. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.840 Oh wow, I'm one. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.440 Hundred percent first generation Palestinian. My family is still in 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.240 the West Bank. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.079 So how are you navigating this really hard time? 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.080 Oh, it's been really tough. It's been like the tough 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.560 and I'm running such a huge company. I'm one of 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.200 the few Palestinian voices, so I felt like I had 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.360 this side hustle I never asked for, of just having 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.400 to educate people. There's so much misinformation right now, so 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.040 I'm just trying to just de escalate, and it's just 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.440 a terrible situation. So I'm trying my best. You know. Yeah, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.960 this sounds tough because there's a lot of misinformation going on, 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.639 there's a lot of emotions, and to be quite honest, 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.120 a lot of people have literally learned history wrong, right, 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:59.880 and so Palestinians and Arabic people and Jewish people also 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.960 are a lot of Jewish people are really aware of 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.359 the actual facts in history and really against everything that's happening. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.760 There's literally apartheid in Israel. You know, this is proven 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.600 by multiple human rights organizations. I even as a US citizen, 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.680 if I go to Palestine, I'm literally treated as an 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.600 oppressed person who has to drive on separate roads, who 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.200 has to go through checkpoints, who somebody could kill me 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.959 in Israel and literally nobody would be prosecuted, nobody would 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:28.440 go to jail. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:29.720 Jim. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.720 It's crazy, right, It's literally crazy. But so many people 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.040 don't know this information and they just hear like anti 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.880 semitism or what like, you know, they just go red 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.280 and they won't even listen to what other people are saying. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.080 So it's really high stakes right now. And as a 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.520 business person, I'm so lucky because I remember when I 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.040 worked in corporate I could never talk about any of this. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.360 I would, but it would be really looked down on. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.120 I still was raising money from Palestine. I always whenever 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.840 something was going on, I have to say something. There's 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.120 innocent people at stake and not and the media is controlled, right, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.440 so I have to put myself out there. But now 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.320 as an entrepreneur, I feel really lucky. You know, so 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.000 many of my clients are Jewish. So many of my 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.640 friends are Jewish. They know that, like daily I advocate 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.839 for everyone, all races, black, white, Jewish, doesn't matter. So 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.839 my daily actions show that I'm a fair person who 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.840 loves everyone. So it gives me a platform now to 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.279 just be able to speak freely. So many of my 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.560 clients are Jewish, and literally they're like, keep talking. You're 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.600 educating me so much. So it feels good this time 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.400 around that people are actually listening. But man, it's been 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.560 a tough week. It's been a tough ten days. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.960 So for those people who are listening to our podcasts, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.120 who are business people and who want to say something 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.320 but are not sure. To Mandy's point, when Black Lives 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.240 Matter came out, I mean, I'm black, Mandy is black, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.320 and so I felt more educated to be like, this 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.040 is what's happening because this is happening to my community. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.680 Are well aware, But I feel like there are a 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.839 lot of of people who want to say something and 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.680 through their business, but are afraid because I don't know 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.240 the history. I don't you know. I've watched a couple 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.000 of videos and I'm not sure. I'm like, is this 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:11.599 the right video? 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:11.839 Is this? 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.080 How does one one? Where can we find education? And 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.839 then two how can we start to integrate that into it? 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.240 For those who want to speak. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.000 Out, Yeah, I would say number one is seek out 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.440 Palestinian voices. Go follow me on Instagram. There's so many 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.680 people Sean King is posting a lot of stuff that 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.359 gives people insight of what's actually going on on the 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.600 other side. And you need to proactively seek out these 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.000 voices because what you watch on TV and in the 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.320 news is only going to give you one side. One 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:46.159 side is literally controlled by propaganda and is basically paid 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.080 for by the other side, right, And so if you 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.719 want to seek out other sources, they have to be 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.400 online on social media. Seek out. Human Rights Watch put 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.480 out a report about the apartheid. Amnesty International put out 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.800 a report about the apartheid. You can read through all 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.200 those reports that will give you all the history, current 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.000 and previous that you need to understand. And then there's 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:12.760 lots of documentaries about Gaza that you can look up 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.120 and watch. So I would say, seek out voices. The 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.240 other thing I would say is like, you've got to 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.200 refuse to be called an anti semit when you want 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.960 to speak about human rights. So every post that you write, 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.800 I'm not an anti Semite, I am allowed to speak freely, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.520 and I am pro human rights, I am pro peace, 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.200 and then start off whatever you're going to say, you know, 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.479 because that's the one thing that we need to start 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.720 to isolate is that this is not a religious issue. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.880 This is a human rights issue. There's actually a lot 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.159 of Jewish people. Jewish people storm the Capitol, Jewish Voice 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.839 for Peace, if not Now or all, these are like 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.280 huge Jewish organizations that three sixty five days a year, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.960 even before this conflict, are trying to work towards equal 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.560 human rights from Palestinians in the region. Right, So there's 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.839 just a lot going on, and I think the number 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.000 one thing that I want from leaders and you know, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.400 we weren't expecting to talk about Palestine on this podcast, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.040 so I do not need to talk about this this 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.800 whole time. But the number one thing that I think 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.320 leaders should seriously consider is at least foster a dialogue 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.800 in your business. At least recognize that the Arabic people 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.400 and Palestine people that may work for you, they're not 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:31.280 doing well right now. They need to be treated like humans, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.920 be given humanity. Their people are literally a genocide is 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.360 happening in Palestine, and we're hurt, you know, we don't 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.080 feel like our lives are valued. I think that we're 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.200 in a very similar spot to how black people felt 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.520 during Black Lives Matter, when everybody was screaming all lives matter. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.080 Meanwhile we are having a genocide, right so it's tough. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:55.440 And I think having open dialogue, not persecuting people for 0:07:55.600 --> 0:08:00.520 speaking out, you know, and advocating for people to have 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.000 healthy dialogues with each other. This is the only way 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.120 that us as a society is going to be able 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.240 to move forward is if we actually have open dialogues 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.320 and if people start learning new information on both sides 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.920 so that we have like more empathy towards each other, 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.440 and that takes dialogues, So not closing down comments when 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.520 you put up a post, not persecuting people for speaking up, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.920 and again just like fostering this open dialogue. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.320 And often getting out of the way of people like 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:30.840 yourself and letting you act. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.480 Yeah, I don't know how many people have. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.120 Maybe I don't need to make a statement, Maybe I 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.199 need to amplify a statement that you make exactly. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.240 And I have everybody who knows me personally they're like, holla, 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.320 keep going, like we love you, blah blah blah. Then 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.880 I have these strangers that don't know me that are like, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.760 you're an anti semi how like you're spreading misinformation and 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.560 like harassing me. And it's like, bro, like I'm literally 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.079 Palestinian and have lived the aparthead myself. Do not gaslight 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.280 me about what is truth and what is not for me? 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.120 Yeah, And it's crazy when you come from a gro 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.560 that is largely oppressed and then the world tells you 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.839 like now you're not You're like, I'm sorry, I look 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.040 like this every day that I know the feeling. I 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.079 know what it feels like to navigate from a space 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:18.000 of having less than for no other reason than you know, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.080 the origin of my birth, and so, you know, I 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.719 just it's been really, really really and I just have 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.520 felt hands tacked. I'm like, I'm not really sure because 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.680 I'm not afraid to say something. It's just I didn't 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:34.160 feel educated enough to join the conversation, you know, because 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.120 I'm just like, I mean, but I know then murder 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.520 is wrong, no matter what side, and I know that 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.480 lives have been taken on both sides, and I just 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.720 feel like, across the board, that's wrong, you know. But 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.040 I also know, you know, from because I am black 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.520 and visibly black, that for brown people across the world 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.560 that often our voices are more easily suppressed. I mean, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.640 I'm seeing there was this I just was reading this 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.079 morning on like ink dot com that there's this conference 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.120 in that they do every year in Europe. I think 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.880 it's called like the Global or something Summit, and the 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.520 CEO or whatever, the conference leader, let me say if 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.160 I can find it. He said something that just basically said, like, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.560 you know, like killing people is wrong and that genocide 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.800 is not okay. Facebook dropped out of the conference. Google 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.920 dropped out of the conference, and I was like, wait, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.760 it is it wrong just saying to kill so he 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.640 literally he didn't say I'm with It's just, hey, like, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.720 genocide is not okay, killing people is not okay. We 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.360 should have peace, just that simple. And people are dropping 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.400 out because like, what are we saying so it is 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.680 okay to kill people? I just I'm confused about what 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:41.280 the pushback. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.520 It's really crazy because at this point it's not about 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:49.560 being pro Palestinian, it's about being anti genocide, right, because 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.320 both sides like have done wrong things right since nineteen 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.160 forty eight. I can give everybody a quick history why 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.520 this all started. Right nineteen forty eight, after World War Two, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:08.200 Britain sent Jewish refugees from World War Two to Palestine. Okay, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.160 at this point Palestinians welcomed Jewish people with open arms. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.600 They even let them in their homes and everything was okay. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.280 A year later, the British armed Jewish people to take 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.680 over Palestine. They forcibly drove out eight hundred thousand people 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.600 out of five hundred villages. They killed fifteen thousand people. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.079 These are the descendants of the people in Gaza right now. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.520 They're refugees that were literally forcibly removed from their homes. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.520 People are still living in homes that they have that 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.400 Palestinans have the keys to their homes. Their grandmothers still 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.520 have the keys of their homes. There's Jewish settlers and 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.120 people in Israel who literally live in the same homes 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.880 that Palestinians used to live in. They have a saying 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.840 they took it fully furnished, because they literally just moved 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.760 into people's houses with their furniture. Okay. And so these 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.880 people are now in Gaza as refugees and they've been 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.920 blockaded for sixteen years. They're not allowed to leave. They're 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.400 blockaded from Egypt and Israel, not allowed to leave. And 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.679 these people Hamas who committed the actions on October seventh, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.839 have been under blockade. Most of these people are between 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.800 seventeen and thirty seven years old, most of either their 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.320 entire lives or most of their lives. Not even allowed 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.000 to leave Gaza. Okay. They're trapped in an open air prison, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.640 A better name for it is a concentration camp. Because 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.360 they've committed no crime other than being Palestinian. They're not 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.600 allowed to leave a city that is the size of Detroit, okay, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.120 and it is blocked off by a wall, and that 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.640 is one part of the occupied territories in Israel. The 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.200 other occupied territory is the West Bank, and so the 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.599 West Bank is a small piece of land that was 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.800 given to the Palestinians. It is occupied. People have to 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.480 drive on separate roads, their water is rationed. All this 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.079 is all controlled. There's checkpoints and so on. And again, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.719 if somebody gets killed in the West Bank, there's no 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.560 persecution of any Israeli that did it. And people are 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.320 still stealing people's homes, demolishing homes, stealing land, and they're 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.160 just taking over more and more of the West Bank. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.400 They don't respect the boundaries that they gave the Palestine people. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.000 Before this conflict, two hundred and fifty people were murdered, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.679 including forty seven children, by Israeli radical settlers. Nobody talks 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.960 about this, right, so it was not unprovoked. It was 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.400 seventy six years of oppression and literally like violence ongoing 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:37.240 to Palestinians constantly. They're basically controlled. It's like segregation like 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.280 how it was back in the day in America. Right, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.240 that is what's going on in the region. And so 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.320 then this Hamas attack happened. Of course, nobody condone that, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.120 but we can't help for people to be radicalized if 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.680 they're literally trapped behind a wall and have don't have 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.960 equal rights, and there you know, family is killed, bombed 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.760 every five years and whatever right, people are obviously going 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.960 to become radicalized. They're not treated equally. So that's the 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.040 root cause of the problem, and that's what people need 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.040 to get educated on. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.679 I can't imagine. I mean, I don't feel like this 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.080 just it lakes me so sad and heartbroken. Beyond the 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.120 stories that I've heard, and there are some journalists out 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.640 there who are working really hard to get in touch 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.200 with Palestinian voices because like electricity is not you know, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:28.960 something that you can take for granted, there a lot 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.200 of places don't have them. I heard that some people 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.920 are using car batteries because they have anticipated power outages before. Yeah, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.400 car batteries just to charge their phone, solar panels just 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.680 to get electricity. But anyway, it's hard to communicate. But 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.040 the stories that I have heard of young twenty somethings, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.800 families who will just get a phone call and say, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.560 this is the Israeli Army. We're letting you know there's 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.560 going to be a strike, get out now, and then 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.440 they don't know if that's real, or if they need 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.480 to like pack up and leave and that state of 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.160 high alert, that state of fear, and I know that 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.680 it's been going on for decades as you've described. That's 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.280 for me, it's never okay. And I feel like we 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.280 just don't learn from our own fricking history. I know 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.440 it's crazy for I and a war does not equate peace. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.720 I mean, what happened is that people came over from 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.280 World War Two after the Nazis and everything, and they 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.320 came to Palestine like ready to do anything to just survive, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.280 and they put all that evil negativity on the Palestinians 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.400 and then just did it. Did the same thing that 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.480 happened to them, literally to the Palestinians. And we had 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.360 nothing to do with the Holocaust, right, So it's a 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.600 I feel that the Palestinians have taken the brunt of 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.440 the Holocaust, like all the pain and the terror and 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.880 everything has just for seventy six years Palestinians have been 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.840 unrightfully punished for something they did not do. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.640 So I remember I went to Jordan earlier this year 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.160 and I just couldn't believe the separation, Like, oh, what 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.760 is the river that Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.520 and I just remember being like, wow, there's literally like 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.960 this line. And they made it very clear, do not 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.240 I was in Jordan, on the Jordan's side, do not 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.120 get close to this life. And the river wasn't it 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:14.720 wasn't a part of the river that was very wide. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.080 It wasn't as wide as a street, like you know, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:23.440 and like I just remember thinking like wow, like you know, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.520 for so many people, you know, like whether you're Christian 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.680 or Jewish or or Muslim, Jesus is a figure in 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.720 all three of those like religious whatever that figure takes on, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.880 whether it's a prophet or savior or whatever. But I 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.560 just remember thinking, how sad is it that this important, 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:46.200 beautiful place to these three religions is radicalized where I 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.520 can be in the water that's clearly touching both sides, 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.600 but I can't get close to this imaginary line that 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.760 men have created. And I just thought, wow, it just 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.720 seemed it was such a beautiful place Jordan, but this 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.640 underlying sense of like impending violence, and I just remember thinking, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.880 like it just seemed that part just hit me as 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.159 really sad, Like yeah. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.239 Yeah, I think I think the craziest part of all 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.959 of this, Tiffany and Mandy, is the misinformation going on. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.720 And like the bubble that Israelis have lived in. You know, 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.919 they get their birthrate paid for the American Jewish people, right, 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.600 they go over to Israel, and they don't see the 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.240 occupied territories. They see the few people. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.200 There's like two. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.160 Million Palestinians or Arab Israelis they call them, that live 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.280 in Israel that sort of have equal rights. So people 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.880 teach them that, see, these are the Palestinians. They live 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.080 freely with us. But it's really not the whole story. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.120 They don't show them the West Bank, they don't tell 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.440 them about Gaza, they don't tell them. They're not even 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.919 allowed to learn about the Nepka in like history in Israel, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.560 so they don't even know that happened. They don't know 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.960 that like it started with ethnic cleansing, and so there's 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:01.320 just all this misinformation and essentially me having an identity 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.840 of being Palestinian, it is threatening to anybody who has 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.240 an Israeli identity because it threatens their identity. So they 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.760 want to act like we don't exist, or we were 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.479 a lost people, or Israel was a land with no people. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.160 But in reality, we were ethnically cleansed, and even now 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.600 gaz is being en cleansed with they forced a million 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.520 people to move out of their homes and they bombed 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.840 all their homes. Now those million people they have nowhere 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.920 to go. They might end up going to Egypt or Syria, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.760 and they're just again like moving more Palestinians out. The 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.200 last thing I'll say about this is that there's five 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.600 million Palestinians still living in the occupied territories of Palestine 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.520 which are now Israel, and there's like seven or eight 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.520 million Israelis. It's like literally almost half the people are 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:51.200 still Palestinian there, and there's like ten million Palestinians outside 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.800 of there that basically are refugees now not allowed to 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.240 go back. So it's a big issue. Like there's people 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.000 who are alive today that both think that they're Palace. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.600 There's people alive today that believe there Israeli. We need 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.080 to figure it out, we need to live in peace together. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.400 Yeah Nope, but thank you so much for I think 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.840 it's so great to get a perspective. This was not 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.520 our intention we brought, but I'm glad. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.440 I'm like, it's just so crazy, like what I. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:18.320 Want to give you. 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.639 I know you're so passionate about it, as you should be, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.040 and this is the moment, and I'm so glad that 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.679 we have a platform we can share with you and 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.720 that you're using your own for that. Yeah, like I 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.760 feel like we need a little deep breath moment. How 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.960 do you, I know, let's just take care of yourself 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.080 and your Palestinian friends, you know, anyone who's affected by this. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.320 Where honestly, like it really sucks, guys, Like there's not 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.800 a lot of us, not a lot of us with 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.240 a voice. And literally I feel like I can't even grief. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.080 I can't even grieve. All I have to do is 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.400 just spend every second I have just trying to educate 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.159 and post and like battling harassment online for telling the truth. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:02.159 And like, thank god, honestly, like all there's two communities 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.000 that are helping us. Black black the black community is 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.320 helping us. Thank god. This is really the first time 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.600 that like really the black community is mobilizing and supporting us, 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.040 and Jewish people, Jewish people who know what's going on, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.440 and now we never really had other communities supporting us, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.760 and now we have these two communities really helping to 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.119 amplify our voices and it feels like maybe there will 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.040 be some real change. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.000 Yeah, I have to say, that's where I heard about 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.280 the most, which I love because you're right, because as 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.359 coming from a population that has also often been oppressed, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.040 you get to see you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.320 what's going on? And you know, if you know, especially 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.000 black women, that's where I've seen so many because I 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.840 don't necessarily I mean other than you, how I don't 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.159 know if I know anybody else that's Palestinian, you know, 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.320 And so a lot of the information that I've gotten 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.200 have been from Black voices that have shared other Palestinian voices. Yeah, 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.120 and I'm just like wait, and so as I'm reading 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.520 and I'm learning about, I'm loving is that I see 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.000 a lot, especially like the lack influencer women are posting 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.320 for better understanding, and then you see people angry and 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.760 you're like, well, she's allowed to say I don't know 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.800 much about this topic if you can share respectly in 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.439 the comments, because I'd love to learn, because I'd love 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.000 to support humanity overall. And people get really, really really 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.840 angry at that, and so that's very telling when you 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.840 say I believe that people shouldn't be murdered, and people 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:25.520 getting mad at. 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.280 That, well, it's just it's I think one of the 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.600 biggest polarities in all this or like issues is that, 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.840 like it's just call spade a spade. Palestinian lives are 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.080 not valued as much as Israeli lives, and that's literally 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.440 what's going on. You know, like fourteen hundred innocent Israeli 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.160 civilians died and that's terrible, and now five thousand Palestinians 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:50.600