WEBVTT - Anne Speckhard: ISIS Recruits Nonstop on Social Media (Audio)

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<v Speaker 1>Forty nine people are dead, fifty three are wounded in

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<v Speaker 1>the worst mass shooting in American history and earlier today,

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr James Comington.

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<v Speaker 1>He described more information about the terrorists involved in this

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<v Speaker 1>Omar Martin. He said that Mr Matteen first claimed family

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<v Speaker 1>connections to al Qaeda, which, like the Islamic State, is

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunni Muslim terrorist group. He also said that he

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<v Speaker 1>was a member of Hezbollah, a Shiite group in conflict

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<v Speaker 1>with al Qaeda and Islamic State. Here to tell us

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<v Speaker 1>more about terrorists and terrorism is Dr Anne Speccard, a

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<v Speaker 1>just adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry Georgetown University School of Medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>also the author of books such as Talking to Terrorists,

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<v Speaker 1>co author of the book undercoveragei Haati and her late

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<v Speaker 1>book Bride of Isis. Dr Speckhart, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us. You're welcome, glad to be on. I

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<v Speaker 1>admit that I wish this was under other circumstances. But

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<v Speaker 1>having said that, I'm wondering if you could tell us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about what you've learned from interviewing nearly

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<v Speaker 1>five dred terrorists and their family members in various parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, and what that has taught you about today. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend, I beg your pardon this weekend's tragic events. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what I can tell you is recently, our last almost

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<v Speaker 1>forty interviews have been with ISIS padres themselves, so they've

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<v Speaker 1>been with defectors. And what we're finding with the defectors

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<v Speaker 1>is that when you get into ISIS, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be had a prisoner after you go through Sharia training.

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<v Speaker 1>So anybody that comes back from ISIS probably has blood

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<v Speaker 1>on their hands. And we also know all that ISIS

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<v Speaker 1>is willing to use anybody, So even if you're extremely

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<v Speaker 1>mentally disturbed, they don't care as long as you go

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<v Speaker 1>out and kill in their name. They don't necessarily want

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<v Speaker 1>you in a cell. But it's not like we have

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<v Speaker 1>cells running in the US. Instead, we have internet recruitment.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the thousand cases that have that are open with

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, and there's many more closed and Omar was

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<v Speaker 1>one of them that was closed. Uh. Those people are

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<v Speaker 1>recruited into ISIS through social media and they're told to

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<v Speaker 1>go out and attack, especially right now during Ramadan. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a call by add Nani to attack during Ramadan

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<v Speaker 1>and attack in any way possible. So if you're mentally ill,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care. All they care is did you kill

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<v Speaker 1>people in their names? Well, I guess I have to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in someone that I don't think should be forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>in the wake of this mass shooting. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting death of Christina Grimy, a twenty two old

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<v Speaker 1>singer who came in number three you on the sixth

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<v Speaker 1>season of The Voice. That occurred Friday night. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>her killer had two handguns, two additional loaded magazines, a

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<v Speaker 1>large honey knife. She came up to up to after

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<v Speaker 1>a conference she was signing autographs for fans and shot

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<v Speaker 1>her dead. How different are these two men? Is one?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they both mentally disturbed? Is the fact that one

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<v Speaker 1>was at least identifying with isis make them that different? Uh? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Christina Grammy thing is horrifying. My oldest daughter is

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<v Speaker 1>a professional singer, so there's a crapot of me. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, probably both of them had a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>narcissism that they wanted to be known for killing someone

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<v Speaker 1>famous or or become famous for killing for carrying out

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<v Speaker 1>a slater. And we often see that with school shooters,

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<v Speaker 1>with people that UH do things like this, that they're

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<v Speaker 1>narcissistic and grandiose, and they don't care if they died

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. You know, they're just they're really mentally ill.

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<v Speaker 1>But the difference here is if they do it while

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<v Speaker 1>pledging their buyout should terrorist groups, then it gets named

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<v Speaker 1>a terrorism and it has a political element to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the difference. But probably in both cases. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say I'm an expert on what happened with Christina.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard about it from my daughter and was horrified.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know aboutter killer, whether he was mentally

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<v Speaker 1>I learned out a certain sounds like he was, Doctor Scheckard.

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<v Speaker 1>The Florida Department of Corrections has revealed that before working

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<v Speaker 1>for that private security firm g f S, that Omar

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<v Speaker 1>Mattine worked briefly as a state prison guard. Also, the

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<v Speaker 1>government of Saudi Arabia reported that Mr Mattina traveled to

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<v Speaker 1>that country twice. Is there anything that we can learn

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<v Speaker 1>from getting this information now that perhaps would have prevented

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<v Speaker 1>such a horrific event? Not necessarily not from that information.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's normal for a Muslim during their lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>to try to go in observe hajj, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>a religious duty and nothing wrong with that um. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, when you go to Hajj, you're

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<v Speaker 1>put in in Nacca with hundreds of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>from all around the world, so you might get h

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to terrorists and people to believe things that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't necessarily know about or know how to connect with.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is now with isis all you need

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<v Speaker 1>is a telephonia or a computer and you can connect

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<v Speaker 1>with them. And they are recruiting NonStop over social media

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to make this with our machetes and their

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<v Speaker 1>videos look like some uh glory thing that will make

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<v Speaker 1>you into a man, that will make you into a

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<v Speaker 1>very good world lum, that they're somehow creating a utopian caliphate.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they argue if you ask them about the

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<v Speaker 1>blood that shed, they'll say, well, this is a revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever you make a revolution, you shed blood, but you

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately get to justice. And you know, think, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>naive or mentally disturbed, you may believe that. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>more balanced, you know, that's a pack a lot, But

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<v Speaker 1>going to Saudi isn't necessarily indicator of anything. Dr and Speckar,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining us at Gentle Associate

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<v Speaker 1>Professor of Psychiatry, Georgetown University. She has interviewed more than

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred jihadis and terrorists. We want our hearts again

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