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You're listening 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: to Taking Stock with Lean and pin Box on Bloomberg Radio. 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Forty nine people are dead, fifty three are wounded in 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: the worst mass shooting in American history and earlier today, 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr James Comington. 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: He described more information about the terrorists involved in this 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: Omar Martin. He said that Mr Matteen first claimed family 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: connections to al Qaeda, which, like the Islamic State, is 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: a Sunni Muslim terrorist group. He also said that he 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: was a member of Hezbollah, a Shiite group in conflict 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: with al Qaeda and Islamic State. Here to tell us 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: more about terrorists and terrorism is Dr Anne Speccard, a 28 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: just adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry Georgetown University School of Medicine, 29 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: also the author of books such as Talking to Terrorists, 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: co author of the book undercoveragei Haati and her late 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: book Bride of Isis. Dr Speckhart, thank you very much 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: for joining us. You're welcome, glad to be on. I 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: admit that I wish this was under other circumstances. But 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: having said that, I'm wondering if you could tell us 35 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: a little bit about what you've learned from interviewing nearly 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: five dred terrorists and their family members in various parts 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: of the world, and what that has taught you about today. Yes, 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: this weekend, I beg your pardon this weekend's tragic events. Well, 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: what I can tell you is recently, our last almost 40 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: forty interviews have been with ISIS padres themselves, so they've 41 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: been with defectors. And what we're finding with the defectors 42 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: is that when you get into ISIS, you have to 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: be had a prisoner after you go through Sharia training. 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: So anybody that comes back from ISIS probably has blood 45 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: on their hands. And we also know all that ISIS 46 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: is willing to use anybody, So even if you're extremely 47 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: mentally disturbed, they don't care as long as you go 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: out and kill in their name. They don't necessarily want 49 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: you in a cell. But it's not like we have 50 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: cells running in the US. Instead, we have internet recruitment. 51 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Of the thousand cases that have that are open with 52 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: the FBI, and there's many more closed and Omar was 53 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: one of them that was closed. Uh. Those people are 54 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: recruited into ISIS through social media and they're told to 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: go out and attack, especially right now during Ramadan. There 56 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: was a call by add Nani to attack during Ramadan 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: and attack in any way possible. So if you're mentally ill, 58 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: they don't care. All they care is did you kill 59 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: people in their names? Well, I guess I have to 60 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: bring in someone that I don't think should be forgotten 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: in the wake of this mass shooting. And that was 62 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: the shooting death of Christina Grimy, a twenty two old 63 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: singer who came in number three you on the sixth 64 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: season of The Voice. That occurred Friday night. Uh, and 65 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: her killer had two handguns, two additional loaded magazines, a 66 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: large honey knife. She came up to up to after 67 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: a conference she was signing autographs for fans and shot 68 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: her dead. How different are these two men? Is one? 69 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: Are they both mentally disturbed? Is the fact that one 70 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: was at least identifying with isis make them that different? Uh? Well, 71 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: the Christina Grammy thing is horrifying. My oldest daughter is 72 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: a professional singer, so there's a crapot of me. But 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, probably both of them had a bit of 74 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: narcissism that they wanted to be known for killing someone 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: famous or or become famous for killing for carrying out 76 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: a slater. And we often see that with school shooters, 77 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: with people that UH do things like this, that they're 78 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: narcissistic and grandiose, and they don't care if they died 79 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: doing it. You know, they're just they're really mentally ill. 80 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: But the difference here is if they do it while 81 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: pledging their buyout should terrorist groups, then it gets named 82 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: a terrorism and it has a political element to it. 83 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: So that's the difference. But probably in both cases. And 84 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: I can't say I'm an expert on what happened with Christina. 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: I heard about it from my daughter and was horrified. 86 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: But I don't know aboutter killer, whether he was mentally 87 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: I learned out a certain sounds like he was, Doctor Scheckard. 88 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: The Florida Department of Corrections has revealed that before working 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: for that private security firm g f S, that Omar 90 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: Mattine worked briefly as a state prison guard. Also, the 91 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: government of Saudi Arabia reported that Mr Mattina traveled to 92 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: that country twice. Is there anything that we can learn 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: from getting this information now that perhaps would have prevented 94 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: such a horrific event? Not necessarily not from that information. 95 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's normal for a Muslim during their lifetime 96 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: to try to go in observe hajj, and that's just 97 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: a religious duty and nothing wrong with that um. But 98 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: on the other hand, when you go to Hajj, you're 99 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: put in in Nacca with hundreds of thousands of people 100 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: from all around the world, so you might get h 101 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: exposed to terrorists and people to believe things that you 102 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know about or know how to connect with. 103 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: But the truth is now with isis all you need 104 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 1: is a telephonia or a computer and you can connect 105 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: with them. And they are recruiting NonStop over social media 106 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: and trying to make this with our machetes and their 107 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: videos look like some uh glory thing that will make 108 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: you into a man, that will make you into a 109 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: very good world lum, that they're somehow creating a utopian caliphate. 110 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: And what they argue if you ask them about the 111 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: blood that shed, they'll say, well, this is a revolution. 112 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: Whenever you make a revolution, you shed blood, but you 113 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: ultimately get to justice. And you know, think, if you're 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: naive or mentally disturbed, you may believe that. If you're 115 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: more balanced, you know, that's a pack a lot, But 116 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: going to Saudi isn't necessarily indicator of anything. Dr and Speckar, 117 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us at Gentle Associate 118 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: Professor of Psychiatry, Georgetown University. She has interviewed more than 119 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: five hundred jihadis and terrorists. We want our hearts again 120 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: and thoughts with the victims and the families of the 121 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: Orlando shootings. Also to the family and friends of Christian Ygreemy. 122 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm Caffeine Hayes. Along with Pim Fox. This has taken 123 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: stock on Bloomberg Radio. 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