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Speaker 4: stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday

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Speaker 4: evening if you're hearing this as the program plays or

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Speaker 4: as it's published, and that means it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 4: We're going to hear looks like quite a few voicemails.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get some perspectives on a lot of stuff. Again,

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Speaker 4: as we mentioned in the previous week's recording, you know,

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Speaker 4: very much our time to hang out with you. So

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Speaker 4: we want to again thank all the many, many fellow

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Speaker 4: conspiracy realists who reached out to us through one platform

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Speaker 4: wake of the continuing calamities. Oh and that's our gold open.

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Speaker 5: We have so much other stuff to get to Oh

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Speaker 5: boy do we And we have returned from our cold

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Speaker 5: open with today's first installment of Listener Mail. This comes

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Speaker 5: to us from Lisa, and guys, this is a long one,

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Speaker 5: and I think it is some incredibly good information, both

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Speaker 5: for educational purposes, just for like the you know, being

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Speaker 5: fun at parties like you like to say, Ben, but

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Speaker 5: also for some actionable information that I think could maybe

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Speaker 5: even potentially save some lives, make you a little more

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Speaker 5: aware of how the sausage is made in terms of

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Speaker 5: illegal street drugs supplies and why on earth anybody ever

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Speaker 5: want to intentionally put fentanyl, something as dangerous and deadly

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Speaker 5: as fencinyl, into a drug supply that is sold to

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Speaker 5: users on the street. Lisa addresses this question expertly from

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Speaker 5: the highest level of an organization like a cartel that

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Speaker 5: might be the origin of some of these drugs that

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Speaker 5: are tainted to the street level users. And I'm really

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Speaker 5: very appreciative of Lisa's emails, So I proposed that, since

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Speaker 5: it's a long one, we break it up.

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Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 5: So I'll read the first bit setting things up, and

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Speaker 5: then maybe we can like round robin it back because.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of a listical, so here we go. Hi,

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Speaker 3: map Ben Andol.

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Speaker 5: I am a longtime listener and a neuroscience PhD student

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Speaker 5: in Philadelphia studying opioid addiction. Your podcast have entertained me

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Speaker 5: through many a grueling experiment, and I've learned so much.

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Speaker 5: I really enjoyed your collab with My Mama told me

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Speaker 5: the other day. Since I study opioiddiction, I was really

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Speaker 5: interested to hear your takes on the surge slash potential

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Speaker 5: recent drop in fentanyl overdose deaths. But I wanted to

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Speaker 5: bond too your discussion around why on earth anyone would

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Speaker 5: cut their own product with something so likely to kill

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Speaker 5: their customers. There are actually a few good reasons that

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Speaker 5: cartels might be interested in cutting their drugs with something

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Speaker 5: like fentanyl, and why dealers might be interested in selling

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Speaker 5: stuff that they know or suspect is tainted with fentanyl.

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Speaker 5: None of this is to say that there's no way

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Speaker 5: it's the government keeping it going for the border war,

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Speaker 5: something we discussed and bat it around with David and

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Speaker 5: Langston from My Mama Told You podcast. Two great guys,

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Speaker 5: very very smart guys, very funny guys, and I think

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Speaker 5: we all three. Very much enjoyed that conversation, so thank

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Speaker 5: you Lisa for tuning in. She goes on just to reiterate,

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Speaker 5: on drugs evolved, I'm definitely not ruling that out. I

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Speaker 5: honestly would bet that both forces play a role. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: financially to cut your product with fentanyl.

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Speaker 5: So I propose that perhaps Ben, would you like to

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Speaker 4: Sure, And first I want to thank you Lisa for

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Speaker 4: That is a huge part. That means that the supply

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Speaker 2: Right well, yeah, and they could be anywhere.

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Speaker 4: And Lisa, you continue, So it can be attractive to

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, and I too would like to take a

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Speaker 2: Fentanyls chemistry produces this very quick, very intense high that

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Speaker 5: I think this answers an interesting question that we have

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure that insert narcotic I bought from insert

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Speaker 5: We are still, unfortunately, at a point where a large

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Speaker 4: Yes, Lisa, you knocking it out of the park with

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Speaker 4: a lethal dose. On the contrary, in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: seventy point five million Americans reported using illicit drugs nearly

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Speaker 4: nine hundred times more people than overdose fatalities, and Lisa

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Speaker 5: Yes, Ben, Knocking it out of the park is really

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Speaker 5: It is just an accidental byproduct of a larger business model.

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Speaker 4: And further funding. Yes, And so Lisa, you continue regarding

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Speaker 4: Right, Just so, and thank you for picking up Come on,

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Speaker 5: Becosed, saying I think we've gone over on this one

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just gonna say thank you Lisa

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Speaker 2: on behalf of you know, our friends at Elucidation Worldwide

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Speaker 5: Yes, indeed, let's take a quick break here we're from

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Speaker 2: We've returned, guys, We've got three quick voicemails to go

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Speaker 2: a minor correction. I don't think it's really a correction.

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Speaker 4: And we love your work, egg Salad, Yes we do.

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Speaker 6: You, ab so lutely shout out to Tim and Eric.

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Speaker 2: for our first message for this segment, Bellas, this is.

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Speaker 7: Chef Ben in Chicago. As always, feel for you to

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Speaker 5: I just it's so hard to predict and to know,

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Speaker 2: and your testicles in your baby if you're pregnant. They're

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Speaker 2: gonna get everywhere. But to the point of Chef Ben,

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Speaker 2: why is it such a big deal. If you go online,

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Speaker 2: you start searching around for resources as to you know,

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Speaker 2: what microplastics actually do, you will find some stuff. You

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Speaker 2: can also go back to our episode on microplastics. Guys,

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Speaker 2: do you remember around what time we did that, like

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Speaker 2: twenty It was in the twenty twenties, so it was

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Speaker 2: pretty recent, right, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was definitely recently.

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Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, Well you can go listen to that whole episode.

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Speaker 2: So for the purposes of this message and in response

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Speaker 2: to you, Chef Ben, this is coming from the United

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Speaker 2: Nations Development Program, which is a whole episode really if

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Speaker 2: we wanted to get into it. But here's a quote

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Speaker 2: from an article they wrote in June of twenty two

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Speaker 2: based on World Health Organization analysis on the current research

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Speaker 2: related to microplastics, There is currently limited evidence to suggest

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Speaker 2: microplastics are causing significant adverse health impacts. There are major

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Speaker 2: knowledge gaps in scientific understanding of the impact of microplastics,

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Speaker 2: and the weight of the current evidence is low to

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Speaker 2: conclude the causality of adverse effects. Further and more holistic

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Speaker 2: research is needed to obtain a more accurate assessment of

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Speaker 2: exposure to microplastics and their potential impacts on human health.

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Speaker 3: It's a very good PSA voice, by the way, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically we need more information. We don't know what

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Speaker 2: the microplastics are doing. Fully, we know they're in us,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably not a good idea because their foreign

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Speaker 2: bodies and their synthetic substances. You can jump to other

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Speaker 2: places like Science News and you can look at an

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Speaker 2: article titled microplastics are in our bodies. Here's why we

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Speaker 2: don't know the health risks, which is again just the

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Speaker 2: whole system of Hey, this is a fairly new thing,

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Speaker 2: a fairly ne discovery that these things are in us,

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Speaker 2: at least to the extent that we know they are now,

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Speaker 2: and we're just going to have to study humans to

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Speaker 2: figure out what the microplastics did when we're cutting open

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Speaker 2: bodies of the people that it affected.

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Speaker 5: You know, Benet really reminds me of that screenshot that

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Speaker 5: you sent us of that EPA warning about the chlorine

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Speaker 5: in the air from the chemical plant explosion here in

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Speaker 5: Atlanta area and Conyers. The note that I think we

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Speaker 5: all got a bit of a kick out of was

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Speaker 5: it probably will be fine for most people, essentially, is

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Speaker 5: what it said. But it seems like that's the language

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Speaker 5: we hear a lot when it comes to this stuff.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of unknowns and gray areas.

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Speaker 8: Ah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think we all love the capital letters or

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Speaker 4: the choice thereof in that text. What was it capitalized

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Speaker 4: most people?

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Speaker 3: Most people will probably be fine there more or less, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And Chef Ben go Ben's want to thank you personally

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Speaker 4: for writing with this because it is no honest question. Matt,

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you brought this voicemail up because, Chef Ben,

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Speaker 4: you are speaking to something we see constantly in science reporting,

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Speaker 4: which is a headline that says, this is bad. Everybody

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Speaker 4: panic here is why. Right Like recently, as we're recording,

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Speaker 4: there's some terrible news about glaciers, the so called doomsday glacier,

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Speaker 4: which I'm sure we all read.

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Speaker 3: About doomsday stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just so, and what we see here,

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Speaker 4: and one thing that I think you've done really well here, Matt,

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Speaker 4: is what we see is there is a need to

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Speaker 4: look past the headlines. Microplastics has become a thought terminating cliche.

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Speaker 4: People aren't naming polyethylene, right, or polymethyl methacrylates, or the

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Speaker 4: cultures of styrage.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it.

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Speaker 4: It saves time and to the point that you're raising there, Matt.

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Speaker 4: For our pal chef Ben, the science takes longer than

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Speaker 4: the news takes, you know, and that's that's a really

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Speaker 4: difficult bag of badgers there. We know that there appear

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Speaker 4: to be The news often doesn't even define microplastics, which

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Speaker 4: is just these substances, what is it less than five

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Speaker 4: millimeters in length like that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but the science takes longer. But not to

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Speaker 5: mention the science consensus, if there ever even is one.

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Speaker 5: We always talk about how that's just kind of the

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Speaker 5: nature of science. It's a lot of people arguing and

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Speaker 5: for us laymans, we don't know what the hell to believe.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to demonize the process of you know,

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Speaker 5: deduction and science and experimentation. But it can get a

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Speaker 5: little bit overwhelming to the point where you kind of

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Speaker 5: just have to throw your hands up and say, well,

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Speaker 5: into the breach, go I right, like what am I

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Speaker 5: gonna do about it?

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Speaker 4: To what you said, Matt, Yeah, there goes the next

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Speaker 4: two months now just reading scientific journals. Sure, the presence

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Speaker 4: of you know, hormone disruption that may be associated with microplastics.

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Speaker 5: It's a good way to drive yourself nuts if you

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Speaker 5: don't have all of the information. It's like the ultimate

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Speaker 5: form of like googling every symptom on web md when

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Speaker 5: you get an issue throat or something. I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: just not a good move for most of us.

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Speaker 3: Mortals a web md it's cancers, yes, definitely cancer.

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Speaker 2: And if it's not microplastics, it's nanoplastics, which is a

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Speaker 2: whole other thing that is pico plastics. Really no, I

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Speaker 2: don't know whatever nanoplastics are being focused on right now.

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Speaker 5: If they're small, though, it's fine though, right they're small.

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Speaker 2: Bloodstream is a whole thing, and when you've got plastic

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Speaker 2: particles going through your heart, you know, what's the biggest

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Speaker 2: problem with hearts, the plaque that ends up building up

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Speaker 2: in places and then clots up the pathways.

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Speaker 5: Now are you just making this up? Is this something

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Speaker 5: that you've read or you just thinking this could be

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Speaker 5: a thing.

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Speaker 6: This is in science news right now.

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Speaker 3: It could literally cause like an artery to be clawed

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Speaker 3: with no physical material.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, but think about it would makes sense

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Speaker 2: if the stuff is clotting up in your bloodstream and

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Speaker 2: you're adding these synthetic particles or nanoparticles or even microparticles

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Speaker 2: of jam.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, it's not great.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that is fair to say to your question,

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Speaker 4: Chef Ben, And I'm really sad you didn't ask about

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Speaker 4: my balls. Uh.

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Speaker 2: I think we made a big deal of it in

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Speaker 2: the in the episode about my balls for some reason.

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Speaker 6: I think that's what he was responding to.

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope your ball's real.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: That was my favorite nineties canceled Fox sitcom. It was

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Speaker 5: called Matt's Balls.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was hilarious.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, with uh with

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Speaker 4: some of those guys from nine o two one.

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Speaker 3: Oh exactly and Louis Anderson.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, he was. This was pre Diddy. This

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Speaker 3: is in no pre Diddy world.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, yeah p D versus well pre d

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Speaker 4: pre Diddy.

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Speaker 3: That'd be a funny thing we can use that, is it. Okay? No,

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Speaker 3: I think it's too soon because it's too soon.

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Speaker 4: I think we have to let the bets do their job.

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Speaker 1: But again, uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, let those boys cook it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So again, Chef Ben, thank you so much, because this

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Speaker 4: is a great opportunity. I would argue to investigate past headlines.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, for sure. Hey, here's another place you can look,

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Speaker 2: Chef Ben, if you want to, the National Library of Medicine.

580
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Speaker 2: Check out a little article titled health Effects of microplastic

581
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Speaker 2: exposures colon current issues and perspectives in South Korea.

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Speaker 6: It's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: Just again, it's scientists trying to figure out what the

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Speaker 2: heck these things are going to do over time to us. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's it for now, Chef Ben, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for calling in. You always a delight to hear your

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Speaker 2: voice on those voice lines. We got other people that

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Speaker 2: we did not call out this week, so we will

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Speaker 2: call you out next week. Looking at you, Phoenix, and uh,

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Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more messages from you.

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Speaker 4: And we have returned. Big shout out to an anonymous owl. Anonymous,

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Speaker 4: this is something that will well, we'll see if it

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Speaker 4: goes briefer long, but we wanted to share this. Has

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Speaker 4: been putting this off for a couple of weeks here,

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Speaker 4: but it's a great question that is unfortunately relevant in

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Speaker 4: these our divided times, which I feel like we've been

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Speaker 4: saying since you know, the eighteen nineties.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon, gentlemen. This is Anon Pal. You can use

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Speaker 9: me on the air, and that is really fine.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully you don't use my last message because I started

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Speaker 8: to read I got romantict them. Anyway, I was recently

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Speaker 8: summon for jury duty and I was filling out the

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Speaker 8: questionnaire on whether or not I call FI to serve

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Speaker 8: in the jury and I live in Maryland.

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Speaker 9: And one of the questions, the last question actually number twenty.

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Speaker 10: One, I believe, was whether or not I was a

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Speaker 10: member of the regulated Maryland Militia. I believe is how

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Speaker 10: it was worded, and I've never heard of such a thing.

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Speaker 10: I did a quick little Google search and I discovered

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Speaker 10: that pretty much every state has its own militia, which

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Speaker 10: in Maryland, I believe is if you are between the

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Speaker 10: ages of seventeen and sixty five, and you qualify or

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Speaker 10: you are accepted. And then there's another thing called the

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Speaker 10: unregulated militia. But apparently these these state militias exist under

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Speaker 10: the sole discretion of the governor of the state and

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Speaker 10: are not tied in any way to the National Guard

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Speaker 10: or the federal level military branches. And I did notice

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Speaker 10: also on I.

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Speaker 9: Believe Wikipedia, and of course you know, we all know

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Speaker 9: Wikipedia is fallible, but it seems legit that nineteen states

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Speaker 9: have active state militias, and I'm guessing Maryland must be

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Speaker 9: one of them. If we have this question on our

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Speaker 9: jury selection questionnaire. And I wondered if you guys have

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Speaker 9: ever looked into this, what you know about it, what

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Speaker 9: the significance of it is, what kind of situations this

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Speaker 9: militia might be used in. I was also considering the

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Speaker 9: same thing with regards to any possible after effects of

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Speaker 9: the Project twenty twenty five goals as they go through.

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Speaker 9: So there you go, just kind of just kind of

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Speaker 9: a weird thing that I noticed and am curious about.

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Speaker 9: Those are the things that makes life worth living.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love the positive note there, Anonymous owl. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much, you guys. We have talked about different

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Speaker 4: aspects of militia in the past, and thankfully, Anonymous OWL

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Speaker 4: we can assure you that you are correct. There is

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Speaker 4: a reason people ask about this in certain jury duty auditions,

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Speaker 4: and it calls to mind, you guys, the conversations we've

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Speaker 4: had over the years regarding attempts to get into jury duty.

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Speaker 3: You know, did any way to get into or get

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Speaker 3: out of?

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to get into it, but I think

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Speaker 4: they can tell I'm too thirsty because I never make

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Speaker 4: the I get a callback, but I never make the

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Speaker 4: final cut.

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Speaker 3: Didn't you do jury duty? I did.

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Speaker 5: I was excluded recently and then I was picked another time.

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Speaker 5: Both times, I was very candid about doing this podcast

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Speaker 5: and basically shang, I don't trust.

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Speaker 3: The governments, you know, hoping I was being honest.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't trying to tamper, like be you know, insincere,

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Speaker 5: but I figured that wouldn't really sit well with most

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Speaker 5: you know, prosecutors or whatever, that I would be the

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Speaker 5: kind of person that might be like a Rabbel rouser,

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Speaker 5: might be, you know, trying to turn people or who

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Speaker 5: knows whatever.

656
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: So that one question, do you like true crime shows?

657
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: They did not come up precisely, but there were questions

658
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 5: they differ, right, Like, there's questions that really pertain to

659
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: the case, which they don't tell you all the details of,

660
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 5: And you can glean a lot of details just from

661
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 5: the kinds of questions they're asking you. They give you

662
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 5: the kind of basic like X versus why you know

663
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 5: who the parties are? They describe kind of what happened,

664
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: but they don't give you the details. You know it

665
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 5: was a case of abduction or a case of armed

666
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: robbery or whatever, but they don't describe the scenario to

667
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 5: you because that could poison the well, as they say, so,

668
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 5: I was excluded from this most recent one, which was

669
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: the one I was just describing. The first one was

670
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: a personal injury case, and I actually was able to

671
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 5: sway the jury into giving the woman who was the

672
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 5: plaintiff less money because she just seemed like an ambulance

673
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 5: chaser to me. I didn't like her, I didn't trust her,

674
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 5: and she rubbed me the wrong way. And weirdly, in

675
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: that case, the jury got to decide the damages, which.

676
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: Blew my mind.

677
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't understand.

678
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: I did not realize that was a thing. It really

679
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: blew my mind.

680
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: But tell me more about this malicious stuff, ben Like

681
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 5: this is like, is that is the issue here? Like

682
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 5: you should not be able to be asked that, like

683
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 5: that's too pointed or what.

684
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: You can ask people pretty much anything in jury selection.

685
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: I'm also interested in your jury duty auditions, Matt. I

686
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: got to stop calling them auditions.

687
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: Did you ever get into it's appropriate?

688
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: I never have, but I always wear a shirt that

689
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: says nullification on the front.

690
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: You're so wise to that, though, guys, they're so tired

691
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: of it.

692
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 5: I know.

693
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: It's like when it's like when someone who wants drugs

694
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: goes to their goes to a doctor and says they

695
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 4: have back pain and chuckle sleeping. Yeah, Like, okay, buddy,

696
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: let me just if.

697
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 5: You lead with that unprompted, you're gonna get dinged by

698
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 5: the judge.

699
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: They're gonna, like, you know, call you out. It's not

700
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: a good look.

701
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 6: Oh, so don't do that.

702
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do that.

703
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 4: Well, it depends on what you want to accomplish. Do

704
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: you want to be on the jury or do you

705
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: want to get out of the d.

706
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 5: Nullifications The segest the idea is gets you out, or

707
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: at least the lawyers don't care for that right.

708
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: I got in trouble one time for there were some

709
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 4: court things going on in Atlanta which we don't have

710
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: to get into, and I was one of those of

711
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: just obnoxious people on the literal steps of the courthouse saying, hey, everybody,

712
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 4: remember dury nullification.

713
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: The people's voice matters.

714
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: It's just scary because it is a powerful tool that

715
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: can be you know, used right because generally you can't

716
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: try somebody for the same crime again if you can

717
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: somehow tamper with the jury right and convince, you know,

718
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: convince members of it to nullify a verdict or something.

719
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: Well, you know, objecting to the standing of the law itself. This,

720
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 4: this goes into a couple different things here, Anonymous Owl.

721
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: Your question in particular is perhaps an episode for us

722
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 4: in the future, which is the idea of a militia. Now,

723
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 4: to be completely honest, militia gets you know, a bad

724
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: connotation in the United States these days, understandably, but we

725
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: have to remember that citizen militias or you know, a

726
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: well regulated militia, as the founding fathers call it, is legal.

727
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: It is a thing. As a matter of fact. They

728
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: played a big part in you know, creating the United

729
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: States as we know it today. Now, I guess to

730
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: be to be completely transparent, folks, we ourselves are not

731
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 4: identifying as active members of militia's outside of our work

732
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: with Illumination Global Unlimited. The People's Militia there, it is

733
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: all the people's militia. I mean, do you guys know

734
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: anybody who identifies as a member of a militia.

735
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 5: Isn't that kind of a what's the word I'm looking for?

736
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: Like a derisive term even or it's used that way

737
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 5: as a catch all, kind of like microplastics, you know,

738
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: like the idea of being in a militia. Do militias

739
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: describe themselves as militias or do they describe themselves as

740
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 5: like a social club with lots of guns or something,

741
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: you know, I just just wonder is it a term

742
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 5: that's used by those who actually participate in these kinds

743
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 5: of activities?

744
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: Right?

745
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: Mercenaries don't describe themselves as mercenaries. We're contractors. This is

746
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: a great question because it goes back to a little

747
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: bit of nerdy etymology. Militia just means soldiers in the

748
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: service of some higher power. Right, So the Vatican would

749
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: have a militia you know what I mean. The idea

750
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: in the Swiss Guard, right, actually.

751
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: We are your formations to protect a country against invaders

752
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: abroad or within. Right, that's in the Constitution.

753
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 5: I don't know, But isn't that an army? Like where

754
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: at what point does a militia become an army?

755
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 3: Is it about?

756
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 5: Like who's calling it that or who's organizing it, or

757
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 5: which side of the quote unquote law.

758
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: It exists on.

759
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 4: Goes back to that very very vague compilation of ideas

760
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: called the Constitution and then the Bill of Rights, which

761
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: is so incredibly tough. They were vague booking before Facebook

762
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: was a thing. If you want to see an example

763
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: of what a well regulated militia is here in the States,

764
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: you're looking at something like the National Guard. That is

765
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: a completely legal, well regulated militia. And many of our

766
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists listening tonight are active National Guard or

767
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: have served in that capacity.

768
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: But it's under the federal government though, right it's part

769
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: of one of the branches of military.

770
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: Yes, National Guard is a federal militia. And I appreciate

771
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 4: that because it goes to the question that you're asking

772
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: anonymous owl regarding what the second Amendment specifically says about

773
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: a well regulated militia and how that differs from a

774
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: let's get together and do our thing private citizen militia. Right,

775
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: So if we all of us together this evening, if

776
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: we join the National Guard, that's well and good. You know,

777
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: if they'll take us, and if not, I guess it's

778
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 4: the French Foreign Legion for us. But citizen militias, it's

779
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 4: become a really sticky thing here because if you look

780
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: back on our previous episodes, I'm thinking in particular, guys

781
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: of an episode we did on the Sovereign State movement,

782
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: remember that one.

783
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that are attempting to basically break away from the

784
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: Constitution and federal laws and even state laws a lower

785
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: local municipality laws.

786
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

787
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: And this is where we see things that sometimes get

788
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 4: joked about. It happens a lot candidly in rural areas

789
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 4: of the US, not too far from Atlanta. For a while,

790
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: there were a group of guys who decided if they

791
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: printed their own license plates and driver's license and then

792
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: they also printed little signs on their homes that said,

793
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 4: you know, we're the sovereign citizens of Georgia. That they

794
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 4: had essentially seceded from the Union and created their own nation.

795
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: Spoiler alert, the FEDS did not cotton to it.

796
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever read about the Georgia State Defense Force.

797
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: I have not heard of the Georgia State Defense Force.

798
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 6: The GSDF.

799
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: It's basically militia from the seventeen hundreds that's made its

800
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: way through, you know, in different iterations, all the way

801
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: till twenty twenty four. They're under the direction of the

802
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: Governor and the adjunct no adjudicant. What is that word adjutant.

803
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: I've never seen that right before.

804
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: Don't know that one.

805
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 5: I think we should keep all this in we're all

806
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: puzzling through it together.

807
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: I don't know that word.

808
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is. I'm going to read

809
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: from their website. GSDF dot Georgia dot gov says the

810
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Georgia State Defense Force is a legally constituted element of

811
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: the Georgia Department of Defense, serving in support of the

812
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: national and state constitutions under direction of the Governor and

813
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: the Adjudatant General of the State of Georgia.

814
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: Got to get your paperwork straight, and it's got to

815
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: be paperwork from the other guys. You can't just print

816
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 4: your letters of mark and then go off to the

817
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: high seas of mirkwork.

818
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's interesting stuff in here about like rescue training,

819
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: I mean, all kinds of stuff that seems like it

820
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: would be super helpful. I think the question comes in

821
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: when there's a conflict between the state and federal government,

822
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: what does that force do and exactly how does that function.

823
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: I just watched that Civil War movie that came out

824
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: pretty recently, and I don't know if you guys have

825
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: seen that yet, but I would recommend it because it's

826
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: worth a conversation.

827
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: At least.

828
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 4: Robert Evans had some great takes on that, and also,

829
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: I will say, perhaps parallel thinking, it follows a lot

830
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: of the cues of his earlier novel, which is about

831
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: the same thing. But Civil War as a film is

832
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: I would say, primarily an examination of journalists on the ground.

833
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's got an interesting through line of what

834
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: happens when federal government is versus state governments that are

835
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: functioning together.

836
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: And it's weird that originally the first militia formed the

837
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: predecessors of things like the National Guard here in the States,

838
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: they go back to the sixteen hundreds, like in the

839
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 4: colony days of Massachusetts and when they were formed. Colonies

840
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: formed these militias because they didn't want to have permanent

841
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: standing armies, which gets a little bit weird when you

842
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: realize the United States has by far the most dangerous

843
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 4: military force on the planet. Right, we got all the plates.

844
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: Do you guys want a plane? We get a plane.

845
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: But you want to toe? I can get you ton

846
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: when we.

847
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: Do a guy, Well, we'll just put the toes on

848
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: the planes. So what this leads us to. I'm really

849
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: setting this up because anonymous out your question makes me

850
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: think that we should we should turn this into an episode.

851
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: Do you guys think, aside from our previous work on

852
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: the sovereign movements, that we could do a good episode on,

853
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 4: just like a primer on the stuff they don't want

854
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: you to know about militias?

855
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

856
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: Sure, have we not done something like that?

857
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like when there was the Am

858
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: and Bundy stuff, we definitely talked about that story and

859
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 5: stuff adjacent to that. But you're right then, I think

860
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 5: maybe the history and like all the questions that we're

861
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 5: asking about, what doth a militia make or what makes

862
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 5: a militia versus you know, an organized fighting for us.

863
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 5: That's a larger scale, Like, is there a cutoff?

864
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: It is weird to think we talked about it eight

865
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: years ago.

866
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what does well regulated mean. We're going to

867
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 4: explore this question in an upcoming episode. We also might

868
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 4: do one shout out to you, anonymous on a Manchester pusher.

869
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: I kind of divvy the accent there. It would be

870
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: Manchester pusher if we're saying it in US English or

871
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: Manchester push off right in a in a vaguely British.

872
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, is this like a Cockney Manchester is its own thing?

873
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 4: Yeah?

874
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 6: The Beatles?

875
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: No, the Beatles were from Liverpool. I'm a dumb dumb.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you're someone from Manchester.

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Speaker 3: Fellow con Oasis. They're big. They're from Manchester, Manchester from.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to our palll Casper. They just released their

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Speaker 4: tentative US tour dates and I Am not going to

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Speaker 4: pay to see them.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm not. You know you're not then, because you

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Speaker 3: will not.

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Speaker 5: Be able to get tickets into the five one night

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Speaker 5: stadium gigs.

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Speaker 4: Not gonna There's one place in the middle of New Jersey,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Meadowlands.

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Speaker 2: What is the Manchester Pusher just like give me one hit,

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Speaker 2: what is it?

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Speaker 4: Well, if you would like one vape snarf on us.

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Speaker 4: The Manchester pusher is similar to the accusations that we

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Speaker 4: saw in Austin and similar to the idea of the

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Speaker 4: smiley face or a happy face killer. There have been

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Speaker 4: multiple people discovered in the area dead around waterways, and

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Speaker 4: so the current discourse, which pops up on and off

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Speaker 4: again over the years, concerns whether or not there is

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Speaker 4: an active serial murderer or whether these people are drowning

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Speaker 4: due to cruel circumstance. We don't have the time yet

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Speaker 4: to read the letter in full. I do think this

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Speaker 4: is an episode we should examine. In the meantime, Please

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Speaker 4: do check out our earlier work on the Happy Face murders,

902
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 4: which goes super deep. Shout out to the HVAC company

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Speaker 4: train tr A N and then also thank you to

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Speaker 4: anonymous owl and state militias. We cannot wait to hear

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Speaker 4: your thoughts on this. Help arm us with information, folks,

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Speaker 4: Perhaps a poor choice of words for our upcoming episode

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Speaker 4: on militia's are you involved with one? Do you have experience?

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Speaker 4: We want to hear from you, big big thanks to

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Speaker 4: egg Salad Chef Ben, big big thanks of course to Lisa,

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Speaker 4: and thank you all for joining us this evening. We're

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00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 4: going to be back very soon and we can't wait

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00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 4: to hear your thoughts on all of this. We try

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Speaker 4: to be easy to find online.

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00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: Easy to find. We do try to be and hopefully succeed.

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Speaker 5: You can find us at the handle conspiracy Stuff, where

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00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 5: we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's where

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00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 5: it gets crazy. You can also find us on x fka,

918
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 5: Twitter as well as you Tube with video content glor

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00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 5: for you to peruse. That is also conspiracy stuff on

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Speaker 5: Instagram and TikTok. However, we are conspiracy stuff show.

921
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: Be like anonymous owl, be like Chef Ben and egg

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00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Salad and Phoenix and all the others. Call us call

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Speaker 2: us now one eight three three std wyk. When you

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Speaker 2: call in, give yourself.

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Speaker 6: A cool nickname.

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Speaker 2: We don't care what it is. We're excited to hear it.

927
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: Let us know if we can use your name. End

928
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Speaker 2: message on the air, and those are the only rules.

929
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Speaker 6: Do expect a call back?

930
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Speaker 2: You might get one if you've got more to say

931
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: they can fit into that message. Why not instead send

932
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: us a good old fashioned email.

933
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Speaker 4: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

934
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 4: we receive. We cannot wait for you to reach out

935
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: and touch faith digitally. Give us more than that three minutes.

936
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: Give us the whole story, the whole kit and kaboodle,

937
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, the whole Philly cheese steak

938
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: of what's going on. Give us leads for new episodes,

939
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: give us those photos, give us those ancillery links, and

940
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: of course, be well aware yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

941
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: writes back, just like we responded to our pal. We'll

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Speaker 4: call t nemo h who hipped us to the possible

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Speaker 4: origin of the phrase Jesus H Christ.

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Speaker 5: Dude, and that back and forth and crazily it connects

945
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Speaker 5: with Mark Twain, which we did a two part episode

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Speaker 5: about on Ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: History very recently.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Mark Dwade not his first suitedym. His first

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Speaker 4: SUITEDYM was in Shah Josh. So to be more fun

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Speaker 4: at parties, To help us be even worse at parties,

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Speaker 4: join us out here past the edge of the streetlight

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Speaker 4: in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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