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Speaker 2: you're not gonna do nothing about Kaepernick's job. No, he

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Speaker 3: If you ain't talking no dough, than I ain't insurrected. Look,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to us up There podcast. I am your active

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Speaker 1: now for the vibes, be a part of the congregation

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Speaker 2: Having conversations with. With that being said, man, we got

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Speaker 2: doctor Umar Johnson. How are you ping Pan Africanism? Glad

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Speaker 2: to be back. It's up there podcast, Nashville. Stand up. Yes, sir, man,

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Speaker 2: I missed you.

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Speaker 1: We missed you a lot to talk about, a lot

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Speaker 2: That's your buddies always. We always good. Yeah. How have

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Speaker 2: you been, man? I've been all right? How long has

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Speaker 2: it been? We was here?

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Speaker 1: You were here maybe last year October, or maybe it

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Speaker 2: Everything's been well. Life been good, life been lifing, you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you think that interracial dating really would be the

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Speaker 2: Which is interesting, right because we got this war going

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Speaker 1: But there's a comedic side that you do lean into

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Speaker 2: It applies to everyone. But see I don't mess around,

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Speaker 2: I'm not messing around with that because that's my type. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I have seen people try to weaponize that side of

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Speaker 1: You know, people just say that you speak so highly

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Speaker 2: I think that over my entire body of work, people

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Speaker 2: I think that far exceeds any jokes about the curves

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Speaker 1: Do you think that helps you? Or will it be

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Speaker 1: Because most people on your level will hide their you know,

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Speaker 2: Running around with white girls in public. They're running around

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Speaker 2: I'm saying five to five. When I say that, you

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Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about Chabouzi and Jelly Roll. Chabouzi was

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Speaker 4: And the last thing I want to say, immigrants built

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Speaker 1: Black people were offended by that online that I've seen.

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Speaker 2: Maintenance is not construction. African immigrants may come, European immigrants

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Speaker 1: So you're you over here in America fighting on behalf

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that is because a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: You see that you can't be sent nowhere. So there

431
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: is an intentional effort to control the pace of progress

432
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: on behalf of the American African. And the problem with

433
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 2: some of our continental family is they don't know that history,

434
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: and they think that when they end up with more

435
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 2: than you material, materialistically or scholastically, it's because they worked harder. No,

436
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: it's not. If you look at how hard you work,

437
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: it was no more than we did. But you were

438
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: allowed to achieve a little bit more because you are

439
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: not a threat. We are the threat. Yes, let me

440
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: ask you this.

441
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Speaker 1: For someone who doesn't know, like Seyshaboozie is watching it

442
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: also seeing Jelly roll deny to have a conversation and about.

443
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: Jal Rose Jelly white guy.

444
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, you seem did not have a conversation

445
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: about ice and about politics. He didn't want to have

446
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: a conversation in that moment, right, And he's been you know,

447
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: dragged online as well for that. But if Shaboozi is

448
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: watching this, or even better than that, if a young

449
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: black boy is watching this and he's confused and he

450
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: says doctor, he's saying, doctor, Umar, please explain to me

451
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: the role immigrants played and the role that Africans played

452
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: as it pertains to America.

453
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: How would you put that plane. I would say that

454
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: African immigrants from around the diaspora right Africa, Australia, Canada,

455
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: they enriched the solid that we had already created. Imagine

456
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: you go in the kitchen, you make a solid, right,

457
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: I look at the solid. Lune got the lettuce, the tomatoes,

458
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: the cucumbers. But Lune ain't got no raisins. Luon ain't

459
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: got no apples, But Lun made the solid. Loon grew

460
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: to cucumbers, Loon grew the lettuce, Loon grew to tomatoes.

461
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: He did the bulk of the work. He laid the

462
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: foundation for the solid I could come in with the dress,

463
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: and I could come in with the cheese, I could

464
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: boil the egg. But guess what, the hardest work was

465
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: done by you. And then I come in and add

466
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 2: the egg in the cheese, in the dressing, the nuts

467
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: and the raisins, and then I lift this up to

468
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: the world and say, look at what I did. All

469
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: Loon did was give the c cumbers and the lettuce

470
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: into tomatoes. But without Loon's cucumbers tomatoes in the lettuce,

471
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: you not even in the position to put the salad in.

472
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: You understand. That's what we want the African immigrants to understand.

473
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: It's not that you didn't contribute. I can name you

474
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: African immigrants who contribute significantly to our culture and what

475
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: we've done, just like we contributed to that ad, the

476
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: Black Power movement. They got that from US. Pan Africanism

477
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: they got that from US. You see what I'm saying.

478
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: Pan Africanism didn't come from Africa. It didn't come from Trinidad,

479
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: it didn't come from Ethiopia. It came from the enslaved

480
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: American a Frican. It was US first, then Haiti second,

481
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: and then Trinidad in Jamaica, Kane, you see what I'm saying,

482
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: But we were first. The first Pan Africanist was Paul

483
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: Cuffey right here in Massachusetts in the United States. The

484
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: first act of pan Africanism was Prince hall of the

485
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: father of Black Masons. He was the ones who went

486
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: to the Massachusetts Legislature has said they need reparations and

487
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: they want to go back home to Africa. You see

488
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I wouldn't consider him a Pan Africanist,

489
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: but that was the first act of Pan Africanism. But

490
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: Paul Cuffey was the first Pan Africanist. This is before

491
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: the Haitian Revolution, right, so we're first pan Africanis came

492
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: from US. Today is February thirteenth. Today is the day

493
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: that Henry Holland Garnett, grandfather pan Africanists. This is before Jamaica,

494
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: you understand me, This is before them. Hrry Holland Garnett

495
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: was the first black leader to give a speech to

496
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Speaker 2: the US Congress. He gave it today, February thirteenth, eighteen

497
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Speaker 2: sixty five. He died on the same day manventeen years

498
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: later in Liberia. Because he wanted to go to Africa

499
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: and fight for the empowerment of Africa. From that side,

500
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: he built one of the first Pan Africanist organizations in history.

501
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: He's way befo Henry Sylvester Williams. He's waiting for Holly Selassie,

502
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: He's waiting for Kame and Creuman. He's waiting for Marcus Goffee.

503
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: You follow what I'm saying. So when you're talking about

504
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: pan Africanism that was born on American soil by free

505
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: and enslaved Africans during our enslavement, pan Africanism was berthed here.

506
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: The first conference on Pan Africanism was not Henry Sylvester

507
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Williams nineteen hundred Pan African Conference in London, Right, Henry

508
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Sevester Williams was the trinidaddy and brother. He had the

509
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: conference in London nineteen hundred. Uh uh. The Chicago Conference

510
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: on Africa was eighteen ninety four. Eighteen ninety five predates that.

511
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: But if you don't know the whole history of Pan Africanism,

512
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: you start saying we did it, we did it, we

513
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: did it, we did it. But here's my thing, we

514
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: all did it. You see, just because we created it

515
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: don't make us better than nobody else. Because so that's

516
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It don't make us no better than

517
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: nobody else. But it's important to make sure the historical

518
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: record is accurate because the Atis, the Haitians have a

519
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: very strong case for the role they played in Pan

520
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: Africanism because guess what they were the first nation in

521
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 2: the world to say, if any black man makes it here,

522
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: he's a citizen here before atheist, God, before respect the Haitians.

523
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: That was John John Dessaline who said, any black man

524
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: from America, if you can escape them chains and make

525
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: it over here, you want to us. Remember den Mark Vezi,

526
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: the slave revote in South Carolina. Den Mark Vezi was

527
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: going to get a ship and sail to Haiti. Most

528
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: of them wanted to sail to Haiti, you see. And

529
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: not only that, the first four presidents of Haiti. Guess

530
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: what they were doing on the open sea loom intercepting

531
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: slave ships filled without as you feel me on the

532
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: ship and taking it. See this this is the history

533
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: need to be told. Yeah, you see what I'm saying.

534
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: You see, if you're an artist like Shabouzi, and we

535
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: do want want you to use your voice as a tool. Yes,

536
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: but he needs talking points. They need understanding. You do,

537
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: because when you speak that way in the historical context

538
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: is missing. It can be weaponized or it can be

539
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: utilized in a way that you wasn't intended for it

540
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: to be used.

541
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: That's true, but I'm gonna say this. You're absolutely correct,

542
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: but I want to add this clarifying point. Education does

543
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: not replace emotion. This is what I mean, Loom. I

544
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: can tell Loom the true history of pan Africanism all day,

545
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: but if Lun wants to continue to say that pan

546
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: Africanism started here, or pan Africanism started here, or pan

547
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: Africanism started here because he is an ethnic chauvinist and

548
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: wants to put his people above others, the education don't

549
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: mean nothing because in your heart you think your people

550
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: are better than other black people. Do you see what

551
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So we can educate Shahboozi and the rest

552
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: of him. And I'm sure he's a good brother. I

553
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: don't know him, but I'm sure he's a good brother.

554
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: But we speaking to the prototype. We speaking to it.

555
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is the mindset take some point

556
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: the white man. We can educate the white man all day.

557
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: Is he going to stop being a white supremacist. No,

558
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: you see, but I think I think the white man stops.

559
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: I think the white man may have a better reason

560
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: to ignore. But I think Shahboozi or something not even him,

561
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: Let's not those young black boys like him.

562
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: They may be hungry for the information.

563
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: Because I look at that also, while he did not

564
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: have the historical precision he needed, I do look at

565
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: it like he's trying to be a warrior, like he's

566
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: trying to use his voice.

567
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: I want to give Shahboozie a pass because I don't

568
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: from what I saw, I don't know him. I never

569
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: heard any interviews. But from what I saw, I didn't

570
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: see a brother who was trying to intentionally slight the

571
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: American African people. I really felt that for the most part,

572
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: he was innocent in his ignorance. Yes, what do you

573
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: say about the Nigro in the Yes, the Nigro is

574
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: innocent in his ignorance. He just don't know the knows

575
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: the truth, but truths chooses to play a Uncle Tom.

576
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: Anyway you feel me, I think Shahbouzi was innocent in

577
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: his ignorance.

578
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I do too, But I would also tell

579
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: young boys watching that it's important to understand that slavery

580
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: was like it was cohorsed labor, and it was four

581
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: hundred years of Yeah, it was four hundred years of

582
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: free labor, and that built their court wealth.

583
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: Yes, right, you see what I'm saying. So a birth

584
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: to the industrial revolution n't to capitalism. If it wasn't

585
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: for slavery, they would have never been a European and

586
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: revolution the industry. Because you gave yourself a two hundred

587
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: and fifty year good did start in America three hundred

588
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: and fifty to four hundred year. He had start in England,

589
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: Portugal and other places right on taking unfair advantage of

590
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: human beings and treating them as personal property. Never again

591
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: will you see that happen in human history. Y'all did

592
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: that because it took the rest of the world over

593
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: a century to warm up to the idea that your

594
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: culture is very beast like, in animalistic, that you don't

595
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: have a moral code at all, no type of integrity

596
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to what you do to other people.

597
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: And so it was that animalistic instinct of the Caucasian

598
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: that gave him an inhumane advantage over the civilized peoples

599
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: of the world, and so the civilized people became the victim,

600
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: and the uncivilized people started calling themselves civilized and calling

601
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: us uncivilized.

602
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: That's crazy, trading place, that's crazy, we traded place, crazy, craziness, craziness.

603
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the super Bowl.

604
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: The super Bowl performance in particular also has some black

605
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: people online in and uproar. And I think the black

606
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: people what was this? So some people saying that it's

607
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: an American sport and you have someone speaking the language

608
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: that Americans cannot understand. It's not our first language, so

609
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: they're saying that why would an American sport have I

610
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: think it was the same point you make about Eminem

611
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: when you say that Eminem shouldn't be allowed to come

612
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: in hip hop and be put on the grand stage.

613
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: They're saying the same thing about Bad Bunny, saying that.

614
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: He shouldn't disagree with him. Okay, go ahead, and I'm

615
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: going to remember your position about Eminem. Okay, And I

616
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: don't think the two are comparable. Okay. Eminem is participating

617
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: in a cultural art form created by African people. He's

618
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: a visitor in the house, right. Bad Bunny again, who

619
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: I never heard of, until the super Bowl. Yes, he's

620
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: not a visitor in the house because the house is

621
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: stolen property. You cannot dictate how somebody behaves in a

622
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: home you don't own. If Lun breaks into a mansion

623
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: down the street and I come and stay with Loom

624
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: and Lune start telling me I gotta pay rent, I'm

625
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: telling Lun pay rent to you for what you don't

626
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: even own the house. So how can you dictate Bad

627
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: Bunny's behavior at the super Bowl because you claim it's

628
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: un American when this country is un American because it

629
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: was not your property. You stole it. So if anything,

630
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: go to the Native Americans and go to the Native

631
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: Africans and ask them if they had a problem with

632
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: what Bad Bunny did. But you can't go to the

633
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: white man and say, did you have a problem with

634
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: Bad Bunny's performance? Because the white man has no entitlement,

635
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: no right whatsoever to dictate how people behave in a

636
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: country he stole right. In addition to that, Bad Bunny,

637
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican Puerto Ricans are citizens of America. The United

638
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: States will be two hundred and fifty years old on

639
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: July the fourth flow And guess what. The United States

640
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: has never had an official language until Donald Trump recently

641
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: signed an executive order clarifying English as the national language

642
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: of America. So if he's speaking Spanish as the Super Bowl,

643
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: why is it a problem if this country doesn't have

644
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: an official language. Right, I'm gonna be honest with you.

645
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: My respect for the man, and I don't even know him.

646
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: It went through the roof because I saw a Latino

647
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: artist put Latino people on the map, on the main state,

648
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: on the biggest stage. Yes, in a way I've never

649
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: seen a black artist ever do for black people. What

650
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: do you think about Kendrick's last to Both performance? I

651
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: thought kendrick performance was good, but in no.

652
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: Wad seeing a fashion you didn't see any black symbolism

653
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: in there.

654
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: I think his push did okay. He did not highlight

655
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: no artists. The closest one I'm going to give is

656
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Beyonce when she highlighted the Black Panther Party. I'm going

657
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: to put Beyonce over because it was clear what she

658
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: was doing right bad Bunny though loom He highlighted every

659
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: aspect of Latino culture, from the grass they grow to

660
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: the firm. He even had a Latino couple get married

661
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: right there at the super Bowl, talk about some Latino

662
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: on Latino love, saving the Latino family. Look what he did.

663
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: He had them playing cards, he had him drinking, He

664
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: had the music, he had the love, he had the family.

665
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: Every aspect of Latino culture he promoted. And then he

666
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: hit you with the with the Pan Latinoism as I

667
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: would hit you with the Pan Africanism. He started shouting

668
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: out all the Latino countries. In other words, this ain't

669
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: just about Puerto Rico. I'm going to go with the

670
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: whole Latino movement. You see that. So that was Pan Africanism,

671
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: but flipped into Latinoism. You followed paying Latinoism. And so

672
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: what he did almost felt embarrassed because I've rarely seen

673
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: a black artist showcase black culture the way Bad Bunny

674
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: unapologetically did for.

675
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Speaking, because it was, if nothing else, unapologetic.

676
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Oh he didn't speak English.

677
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: He didn't try to bring the English speaking artists on this.

678
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: He didn't try at all. He stood on his heritage

679
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: what they stand on. He went for what he is

680
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: and he went hard.

681
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: Yes, now we talked about the cultural, let's talk about

682
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 2: the political. Why did the super Bowl before we go there?

683
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Because I think you we're gonna cook there before we

684
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: go there. I think another reason. Let's talk about if

685
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: if we could be upset in the same way we

686
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: were upset about eminem because I still want to speak

687
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: about it.

688
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: I know you do.

689
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna add another or to it, which is

690
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: jay Z is the person that is curating.

691
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: I don't think jay Z made that call. I don't

692
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: think Rock Nation has the deal. They have to deal

693
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: the deal. But well, it's gonna be blamed on him,

694
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: whether or not he made the call or not. We

695
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: agree on that. You feel me, But if I'm Roger Goodell,

696
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: you may be my entertainment. You understanding. But because you

697
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: remember Kendrick got backlash for calling Drake a PDF.

698
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 1: Yes, so you're saying this is an NFL thing said,

699
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: We're going a different yes, especially because you let him

700
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: get up there and throw these inn windows at a

701
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and from a business perspective, appealing to the

702
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Latino community, which is an untapped market for the NF.

703
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Exactly now, the reason they went there. Trump just kidnapped

704
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: the president of Venezuela. He got Ice agents all over America,

705
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: kidnapping Latinos of every ilk, deporting them America looks real

706
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: bad in Latin America right now. This was a prop

707
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: againda stunt to improve America's image to the Latinos people.

708
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: Why because America has more to do in Latin America.

709
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: Bad Bunny does not get that stage. If the white

710
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: power structure doesn't have plans for Latin America. Wow, that's

711
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: deep the underlay for the overplay.

712
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Watch how it comes. You know by default? If we

713
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: entertain that by default with saying jay Z is controlled.

714
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: All black celebrities are controlled, you don't think so.

715
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: Jay Z still hasn't broke the change with his level

716
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: of change. You can't tell me. You're fighting your entire

717
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: life to break these chains and it's impossible to break them.

718
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: You're on the same fight to break whatever change that come.

719
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: You're a celebrity now.

720
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: I hope you know that by default exactly, not by intent.

721
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: It don't matter what's the difference. You will not know?

722
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: Me tell you, sir, Let me tell you why the difference.

723
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: Celebrities by intent. I want to be a rap, I

724
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: want to be an act, I want to be a comedian.

725
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: By intent, your whole career was spent making deals with

726
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: white people. I've never made a deal with a white

727
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: person in my life. I am free, as free as

728
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: you can be on a plantation. You understand, Jay Z

729
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: got contracts, Kendrick got contracts, Rihanna, Beyonce got contracts. I

730
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: need you to know. That was the name of an album, Kanye.

731
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: What was it called? As free as you can be

732
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: on a plantation, As free as you can Because I'm

733
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: still on the plantation. I don't own this, but I'm

734
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: as free as you can be. I have no agreement

735
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: with no white person anywhere, and I get white people

736
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: who contact me all the time. I can take you

737
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: to the next level. People love you. I can do

738
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: this for you. I can do this for you. I

739
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: can't do it Loom because the minute I say with

740
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: one of y'all, I'm no different than the rest of them. Right,

741
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. I got to be the exception.

742
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Am I perfect? No? But I'm the exception because I'm

743
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: the only one who's known on that level who can

744
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: say I have no contract with no Caucasian. You can't

745
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: name me a comedian who can say it. You can't

746
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: name me a rapper who can say it. You can't

747
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: name me an actor, a dance who can you name

748
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: in the world of entertainment who can say I am

749
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: not beholding to white people at all. I'm the only

750
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: person I know.

751
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: You're the only one I can say with confidence that

752
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: I have not seen take a white deal in any way,

753
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: in any way. Yeah, and that's not anyway. You know,

754
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't tell lies. I don't have a reason too

755
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: when niggas no, I'll do no capping or none. But

756
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing, let's get back to the jay Z conversation,

757
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: because I think it's interesting that you're saying he's being

758
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: used as a political shield. Now you're not saying that.

759
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: Out get the contract. Jay Z was brought to the

760
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: NFL's table to deflect from the fact that they didn't

761
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: want to give Colin Kaepernick his job back. Jay Z

762
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: knew he was being used as past interference. But he

763
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: knew he was being used as past interference. And if

764
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: you remember when he first came to the table, he

765
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: got a lot of backlash from Black America. Remember they

766
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: got on it. So you're not gonna do nothing about

767
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: Kaepernick's job. No, he ain't gonna do nothing about Kaepernick's job.

768
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna call him a sellout because I

769
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: have to see what your Machavelian play is, see is

770
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: selling out of buying in exactly? I thought hoping Jay

771
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: would say, let me buy a team and let's give

772
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: an NFL team its first majority black owner because none

773
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: of them have that. Maybe that still is his play, right,

774
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying, that's probably the play. Sometimes

775
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: I got to wait to see a long game, but

776
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: so far I haven't seen any game.

777
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, now for sure. Now let's talk more about bad

778
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: bunnies performance. So you're saying that, I want you to

779
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: button that up. So you're saying because the way that

780
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: America is being viewed from a Latino perspective, from a

781
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: Latin perspective, they did that to kind of sweep some

782
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: of that under the roight.

783
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that was propaganda. Wow, I didn't even think about

784
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: that last because Latinos are not a large percentage of

785
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: NFL players, do you follow me? NFL is just like

786
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: the NBA. That's why people wild raised.

787
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: They're saying that Latinos are not represented in this market. Like,

788
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: where did this come from? And I think you're saying

789
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: a political push. I mean, I don't have any evidence to.

790
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: The Latino players though. Of course, of course, of course

791
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: America took Texas from Mexico. Puerto Rico is a colony

792
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: of America. America tested all kinds of dangerous vaccinations and

793
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: other things on the Puerto Rican women. Remember the Puerto

794
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: Rican women were tested with the first birth control pill. Yes,

795
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: they went sterile and everything with the perfect So when

796
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: you look at the human rights abuses against the Puerto

797
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: Rican African family by the United States of America, whether

798
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: there is a Latino football player or not, just by

799
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: virtue of the hell that my Latino African brothers and

800
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: sisters have caught, they had a right to that stage,

801
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: you feel me.

802
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: What about the Paul were Did you watch it? Did

803
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: you actually watch the performance?

804
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay?

805
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: Did you see the two guys jib rating and kind

806
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: of on each other?

807
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: It was I saw a still shot. I didn't see

808
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: it in I've seen it live. I saw the still shot.

809
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: We do no bad Bunny as pro LGB, right, So

810
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: why would we ignore that or have to ignore it.

811
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: I didn't appreciate that, Okay, I didn't appreciate that, right, Yes,

812
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: and I think that now he claims he's not LGB.

813
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: He just supports right, but I didn't appreciate that. Yes,

814
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: and I would have rather he had left that out,

815
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: But I understand he stands on that. And it wasn't excessive,

816
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: although I wish it wasn't at all.

817
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: Yes, but it wasn't. It wasn't excessive. You're right, but

818
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: it was on the it was it was prime time,

819
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: like the shot.

820
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: They gave him. Well he's still it was. It was

821
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: nothing else really going on, and it was like focused

822
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: on you just gave me an idea. What did I

823
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: just say? A minute ago, America tested the first birth

824
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: control pills on the Puerto Rican people. We know that

825
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: the LGBT agenda was pushed through the shadow government by

826
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: way of Barack Obama to reduce our population. Is it

827
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: possible that America is trying to sweep talk to Latino

828
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: people into another population control campaign, because I was wondering,

829
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: who agenda is this, Like, who is the white man's agenda? Oh,

830
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: it's a white man's agenda. They want Latin America. The

831
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: white man has plans for Latin America. Let me give

832
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: you a little bit more game on this. As someone

833
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: who speaks in the Caribbean on a regular basis, we

834
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: do know the white man is trying to colonize Black

835
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: Caribbean islands. They're going in there buying up the properties.

836
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: They're going in there stilling the properties because white people

837
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: are tied of living north of the equator. They want

838
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: to live close to the equator or south of it.

839
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: They're tied of the cold, right, they want the warm right. Yes,

840
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: and so they're trying to bait Africans to move to

841
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Europe and take their place. They think they're doing with

842
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: us with the suburbs. Right, come move out here, and

843
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: they come right back into the heart of Nashville. Yes,

844
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: they come right back into the hart of Knaxville. Yes,

845
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: they come right back into the heart of Chattanooga.

846
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: Right.

847
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Let's let's get these silly negroes since they love being

848
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: around us so much, let's entice them out. Yeah, and

849
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna take it. And that's prime real estate. That's

850
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: what they're doing in the Caribbean. So guess what's next

851
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 2: to the Caribbean, Central America and then South America. So

852
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: is it possible that the white man next colonization act

853
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: will be Central and South America?

854
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: Also as it retains the bad Bunny and his performance.

855
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're we it is. But multiple

856
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: House Republicans push for probes into the NFL, NBC, and

857
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: even FCC regarding over Bad Bunnies halftime show, calling the

858
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: content illegal and objecting illegal how provocative material and the

859
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: show being mostly in Spanish.

860
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: No, because America did not have an official language until

861
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's executive order. I don't think they win that, right.

862
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they win that. And America constantly propagates

863
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: this concept that this is a land of immigrants. Yes,

864
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: how can you deny them? Think about it. You don't

865
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: even have to speak English to get services in this country.

866
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: If I have to evaluate a child who speak Spanish,

867
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 2: they will get a translator. You follow what I'm saying.

868
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: So America has catered to the Spanish speaker for the

869
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: past fifty years or so. Now we're not going to

870
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: cater to the Spanish speaker. I don't think they win

871
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: that fight.

872
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, they also had Kid Rock and others do

873
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: their own kind of halftime.

874
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: To take away from it, but it didn't work much.

875
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: Kid Rock still got about six million views, but that

876
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: was nothing compared to bad money. They said. His viewership

877
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: may have been the most in history or something. Yeah,

878
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: the Complex reported the wrong numbers. We had.

879
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: We won an email chain yesterday where they said that

880
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: they had to retract that.

881
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: I think he's number five.

882
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Kendrick Steele beat him out, and I think Mike is too,

883
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: So I think it goes Kendrick, Mike, Rihanna, He's somewhere alone.

884
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: That got Yeah, But in my opinion, as I said,

885
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: I felt embarrassed because I've never seen a black artist

886
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: put black culture in history on a stage as big

887
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: as that, as unapologetically as bad Bunny did it. He

888
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: affect his people in a way we seldom do.

889
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: Na.

890
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: That's a fact. That's a fact.

891
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to speak to you also about there's there.

892
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting the growing understanding of a movement called FBA. Okay,

893
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: Africanism and FBA, how do they contrast or compliment one another?

894
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, First of all, Pan Africanism is the black

895
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: man's oldest formal political ideology. We gave birth to the

896
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: first free, independent black nation in the world, Haiti. Right,

897
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: Pan Africanists are some of your greatest black leaders, your

898
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: greatest black organizers. If you're looking at achievements, nobody compares

899
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: the Pan Africanists, nobody, Hebrews, More's, the Wappians, Gods and earths,

900
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: Nation of Islam. I love them all. Nobody compares the

901
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: plan Africanism. If you want to go achievement for achievement,

902
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: you can put all them together. You don't touch us. Okay,

903
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: and I say that respectfully, but it's the truth. Okay, ADSFBA, respectfully.

904
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with both groups because they represent

905
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: basically the same thing. But there are differences, right, So ADS,

906
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: which is a descendant of No, they're first, FBA comes later. Okay, okay,

907
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: but they both exist. FBA is more popular, ADSFBA. I

908
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with the American African people seeing

909
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: the need to make it clear to other branches of

910
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: the global African family that when you come here, you

911
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: need to be clear that we built the house and

912
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: rolled out the carpet for you be respectful in my

913
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: home the same way you would want for me to

914
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: be respectful in your home. So the concept of that

915
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: American African identity, I have no issue with it. It

916
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 2: needs to be done, it needs to be said. This

917
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: is not new. What is new about it is the

918
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: adversarial stance that they are taking towards African immigrants who

919
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: come here from the diaspora, and the energy that they

920
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: give them, the negative energy that they give them, which

921
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: supersedes the negative energy you give to the white man

922
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: who enslaved you then and oppresses you. Now, there's nothing

923
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: a continental African immigrant can do to me that can

924
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: supersede what the white man has done to me. There's

925
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: nothing instead of Central South America what an immigrant can

926
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: do to me that can exceed what the white man

927
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: has done to me. So why is it I can

928
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: have so much vitriol, hat tree, disrespect, animosity towards someone

929
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: who looks like me just because they came from another place,

930
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: when the white man who's responsible for my hell here,

931
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: I've never given him half that energy. And then on

932
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 2: top of that, it's contradictory in this way, you still

933
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: identify with the white man. You are a black American

934
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 2: since when, So you'll call yourself an American, but she'll

935
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: never call yourself an African. Think about that. Now, after

936
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: all I've been through in this country, I'm still going

937
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: to wave their flag. After all I've been through in

938
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: this country, I'm still going to use their colors. After

939
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: everything I've been through in this country. I'm still going

940
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: to identify with the plantation and call myself an American.

941
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: So I don't have an issue with the concept. I

942
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: take issue with the strategies.

943
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: And what about if someone is saying that, all right,

944
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: we look at anyone that is putting in our place

945
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: and getting access to resources that belong to us, because

946
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: we are they built their cold wealth off cohorced labor

947
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: from our people. But you can come in as an African,

948
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: as a quote unquote immigrant and get certain access to

949
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: things that maybe the foundational Black Americans what they call themselves,

950
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: believe that, yo, that's our stuff. And so I don't

951
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: look at the African any different than I look at

952
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: the any other, you know, ethnic group that comes over

953
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: and tries to take that place.

954
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: If that's the case, where is your campaign against the

955
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 2: Latinos because I don't see it. Where's your campaign against

956
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: the Caucasian immigrants, I don't see it. Where's your campaign

957
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: against the South Asian and North Asian immigrants? I don't

958
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: but see.

959
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: So let's what I think fragmented everything is the reparation talk.

960
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: And so I think the reparation talk a lot of

961
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: the foundational and I'm you know, I could be speaking

962
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: out of school, but my limited understanding of it is

963
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: I think that they believe that the reparations belong to

964
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: descendants of slaves.

965
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say this as a Pan Africanist,

966
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: because we invented the reparations fight. It don't come fromba

967
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: it don't come from Ados. This was around before they

968
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: were born, you feel me, Pan African has gave birth

969
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: to it. Reparations for me, is not about different groups

970
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 2: and sects of the race fighting for their crumb off

971
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: the big pie. This should be one fight, one reparation,

972
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: do you feel me, Loom. We can split it up

973
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: how we want to split it up after we get it.

974
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: But by you fighting divided for the same restitution, you

975
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: plan right into the hands of your enemy. There was

976
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: one slavery took some of us to the Caribbean. There

977
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: was one slavery took some of us to the Americas.

978
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: There was one slavery took some of us to Central

979
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: and South America. Right, but there was one African slavery.

980
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: So the Africans of the world, from the continent to

981
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: the British Canada had slavery. Australia had it right, we

982
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: should all come and sit down. Let's fight this to god. See,

983
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: I think they're reject You would get it quicker. Yeah,

984
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 2: you were getting more because guess what, it's a united front.

985
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: But because we hate each other more than we hate racism,

986
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: because we hate each other more than we hate racism.

987
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to unite with no Black Africans. I

988
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: don't want to you note, with no Caribbeans, and you

989
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: got Africans saying the same thing. I don't want to

990
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: unite with no descendants of no slaves. Right, I want

991
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: to fight my own thing. So Echo Wise got their

992
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: own fight. Black British got their own fight, Canada got

993
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: their own fight, Black America got their own fight. And

994
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: it's sectionalized sectaries, That's what I'm sayingbody communicating with each other.

995
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: So the white man going to play his old game

996
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: of what divide and conquer, separate and rules.

997
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to have a conversation about the

998
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: FBA and the Pan Africanism, because that's what's going on.

999
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: Although I hear when you speak, although you're Pan Africans,

1000
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: I hear some of the stuff I hear from foundational

1001
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: Black Americans.

1002
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: Well, remember there's nothing wrong with advocating the rights of

1003
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: your unique group. A Pan Africanist in South Africa can

1004
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: speak up for South Africans and still recognize the greater vision,

1005
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: a greater goal, level united race. You see that, So,

1006
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: as Pan Africanists, we don't just focus on the whole.

1007
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: That's the goal, but we also got to take care

1008
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: of our people where we are. But with the so,

1009
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: I don't have an issue with the American African people

1010
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: having a block agenda for themselves that they need to

1011
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: carry out. It's only when you start criminalizing and antagonizing

1012
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: other Africans as if they're responsible for the condition you

1013
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: in loom. There's only three million African immigrants in this country.

1014
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: They are not the group most responsible for siphon and

1015
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: off from your set aside. You know who that would be?

1016
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: White women, homosexuals and Latinos who they rarely ever talk

1017
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: about and you and let me also say this, loon,

1018
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: Let us be honest. What do we know about the

1019
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: psychology of oppression? The victim often imitates the victimizer, the

1020
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: oppressed often imitates the oppressor. What do I mean by that, Loan?

1021
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the most oppressed person. I

1022
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: gotta find somebody and put them beneath me so I

1023
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: can look down on them and mistreat them. And it's

1024
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: back and forth between Black Africa and Black America. A

1025
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: lot of this is victim consciousness. I don't want to

1026
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: be the lowest, so I'm gonna victimize and step on

1027
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: the American African. I don't want to be the lowest,

1028
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: so I want to victimize and step on the African

1029
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: immigrant because in America we're the lowest. We are the

1030
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: lowest in the social order. I'm not saying we internalize that, right,

1031
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's the white a genius. We don't want

1032
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: to be the lowest. So rather than build myself up

1033
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: my hospitals, my schools, my banks, my trains, my import

1034
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: export you see that, my industry, my own trade market,

1035
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: stock market, rather than build myself up to compete with

1036
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: everybody else, I'm just gonna demonize. But what if it's

1037
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: about what if it's about somebody lower than me? Because

1038
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: I want to do to somebody else what the white

1039
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: man been doing to me. And we all have that disease.

1040
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: I'm speaking universally every African group in the world, because

1041
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: remember now I've met them all. They always looking for

1042
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: somebody to put under their foot. If I can't beat

1043
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: the white man, let them join them by having somebody

1044
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: under me too.

1045
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: So but if you but if it's about resources and reparations,

1046
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: so if it's about referations right for American's descendants of slaves,

1047
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: because I agree with you, I think it shrinks the

1048
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: coalition when we have like you know, Ados and FBA

1049
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: and Pan Africanism and regulatist black people who ain't doing

1050
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: nothing of the Africanism.

1051
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: Our focus is the whole. We're the only philosophy that

1052
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: is inclusive to everybody. Nobody else has that. They want

1053
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: to make you a Hebrew strength question. They want to

1054
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: make you a monk. We don't have that. We believe

1055
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: in freedom of religion. We are about unity of the race.

1056
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: We see the African race as a family that we

1057
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: want to be cohesive. We playing the long game, and

1058
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: we are the only philosophy that has ever been ever

1059
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: been pointed out by the white man as being a

1060
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: threat to his system. You ain't gon see no FBA

1061
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: on no documents. You't go see no adols on no documents.

1062
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: You ain't gona see no Hebrew, no more than the

1063
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: WHOPPI and none of that. And I love them all.

1064
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: But what the white man said in his security memoranda

1065
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: was what we cannot allow the black African, in a

1066
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: Black American to unite at all culturally, economically, or politically.

1067
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: If they do, that was significantly undermine our GLOBALLYGI, it's

1068
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: a threat, not this other crap. You don't care about,

1069
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: none of that stuff. That's just smoke.

1070
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: You're looking at it from a global Yeah, We're the

1071
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: only thing he worried about, right, yeah, yeah. So do

1072
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: you agree though, that Americans black Americans deserve reparations and

1073
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: if so, who has to play so out for what

1074
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: happened in America?

1075
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: Well, remember, slavery happened to the race. That's where we're

1076
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: going to you see, that's where the disagreements come in,

1077
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: because slavery didn't happen to black America. Slavery happened to

1078
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: Africans wherever they were taking. What they did to me

1079
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: here is no different than what they did to me

1080
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: and posts. But America don't have to pay for that,

1081
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: we're saying if America says we're giving reparations for what

1082
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: happened to black people in America. Who does that go to?

1083
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: I disagree. Let me clarify. There is no America until

1084
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: July fourth, seventeen seventy six. But my ancestors got here

1085
01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: under British North American slavery, not the Spanish they were

1086
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: there first. Right. But Spanish don't control the United States

1087
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: of America. Right, Anglo Saxons do. America was born of

1088
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: the thirteen British colonies, Right, that was born July fourth,

1089
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: seventeen seventy six. Loan, So under who's control and dominion

1090
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: were we from sixteen nineteen until seventeen seventy six? The

1091
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: British am I wrong? Who Jamaica want reparations from the British?

1092
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: Do you see where I'm going with this? Who Ghana

1093
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: want reparations from the British? Who now, Jerry want reparations

1094
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: from the British. So for the American African to your point,

1095
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: Loan from seventeen seventy six and to the present, that's

1096
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: the USA. But from sixteen nineteen to seventeen seventy six,

1097
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: that's the British Empire.

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: See, and it's the same land you see. And that's

1099
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: why I think the conversation has to be had because I.

1100
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: Think the points you're leaving out there is a self

1101
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: hate aspect to this too. And I know the ADLA

1102
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: FBA's they're not the pretendings. And I say that respectfully

1103
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: because at least with the ads FBAs, they admit their

1104
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: ancestors came from Africa. They just are of the opinion

1105
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: that that don't matter no more. I don't know how

1106
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 2: you get there, because, as the Honorable Marcus Messiah Gorby said,

1107
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: a people without knowledge of themselves is like a treat

1108
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: with our roots. I would love to see an FBA

1109
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: history book for their kids. I would love to see

1110
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: an a d OS fb A history book for children

1111
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: if they ever build an ad OS FBA school. How

1112
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: are y'all going to treat identity in history? Because y'all

1113
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: cutting yourself off from your root and you identifying with

1114
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: a man who's trying to get rid of you. That's

1115
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: the weakness of the movement. Loom I'm who I say

1116
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: that again?

1117
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: Who is that they are identifying with district Americans?

1118
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: Okay, both of them call themselves Americans, both groups, so

1119
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: they identifying with the plantations.

1120
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I see what you're saying, I see what you're saying. Okay, okay, okay, okay, Yes.

1121
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: But they cut themselves off from the ancestors. You see that.

1122
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: To me, that is the greatest shortcoming of that movement.

1123
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody taking me from my African roots. I don't

1124
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: give a damn what game y'all want to play, But

1125
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: you ain't doing that. There's spiritual ramifications for that, the

1126
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: political ramifications for that, this economic gramification for that, and

1127
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: let's go political loom. Only an idiot, only an idiot,

1128
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: will cut themselves off from a meaningful relationship with other nations.

1129
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: You cannot survive in this world without allies, do you

1130
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: understand me, especially when you are an American minority. Why

1131
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: did Cuba? So, how did Cuba survive America being ninety

1132
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: miles off the coast loom? Because Cuba had Russia an

1133
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: international ally. The American African people need Africans as our lives.

1134
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: We need our Caribbean brothers and sisters as our lives.

1135
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: We need our South and Central American brothers and sisters

1136
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: as ourllives, not enemies. Yes, so you mean to tell

1137
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: me you fighting a white man who's an enemy, And

1138
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to make an enemy out of all my

1139
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: black brothers and sisters around the world. That is insane. Yeah,

1140
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's not one side. I want

1141
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: to be clear, Loom African immigrants are just as guilty

1142
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: of this sectionalism and division. I don't want to be

1143
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: very clear because I've seen the feed people send them

1144
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: to me. It is. I'm not saying that ad os

1145
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: FBAs are more liable for the racial divide. They're not.

1146
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: It's equal. Some of the stuff I've seen Continental Africans

1147
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: say about American Africans is unacceptable, and some of the

1148
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: things I've seen, let's say about them is unacceptable. So

1149
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm not giving one side more blame than the other.

1150
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: They're equally wrong.

1151
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: Yes, And you know, I think when I look at it,

1152
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: when I look at all of all of the movements together,

1153
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just concerned that we do have a

1154
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: lot of infighting.

1155
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: But with that being said, but a new k because

1156
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm bringing the solution to this, since we knocking on

1157
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: the door of FDMG being ready, there needs to be

1158
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: a progressive American African movement that looks out for the

1159
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: best interests of the American African people, that does not

1160
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: demonize our brothers and sisters abroad, and that looks to

1161
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: build relationships with them as far as that can be done.

1162
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: So my movement to counteract the negativity of these movements

1163
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: we're discussing is going to be the di FAV movement

1164
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: DAFA descendants of African freedomen in America. Remember loom after

1165
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: freedom came, we were known as what freedmen? That was

1166
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: a legal classification. We were the freedmen. My three times

1167
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: great grandfather George fought in the Civil War, My four

1168
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: times great grandfather Steve fought in the Civil War. My

1169
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: cousins Lewis and Charles, the sons of Frederick Douglin's, fought

1170
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: in the Civil War. I'm a descendant of freedmen who

1171
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: fought to keep this country from being divided, and we

1172
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: have rights as freedmen. So we're fighting as descendants of African,

1173
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: not no American. You ain't never putting that, no title,

1174
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: no organization of mind. Descendants of African freedmen in America.

1175
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: I like that. Do you think you're gonna get pushedback

1176
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: for even lunching that? It don't matter? I'm stronger and

1177
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: both of them groups put together Okay, okay.

1178
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: Now with that being said, I do believe that reparations

1179
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: the debt is lineage specific. So I don't want to

1180
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to remove the point like I like,

1181
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: I like how you put it right that before America

1182
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: was America, that were.

1183
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: The same behavior.

1184
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but I think the British, the British should

1185
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: pay for that, yes, or did you say one of

1186
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: the funds transferred of.

1187
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: Your reparations it's coming from who the British. And if

1188
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: we go sixteen nineteen right to seventeen nineteen, that's one

1189
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: hundred years, and in seventeen nineteen to seventeen seventy six,

1190
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: this is like almost sixty So one hundred and sixty

1191
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: years of your two fifty Guess what, most of your

1192
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: time in American slavery was under the British, not the Americans.

1193
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: Did you see that? Yeah, we just did the math.

1194
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: Most of your time enslaved in America was under the British.

1195
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: Is it not common Sensalon to unite with my African

1196
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters in Ghana and Malawi, in Nigeria, in

1197
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: Jamaica and other places around the British Empire who are

1198
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: fighting for the same thing when we are all kith

1199
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: and kin anyway, does it make sense for me to

1200
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: be at odds with a Jamaican who may very well

1201
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: be my blood cousin. Does it make sense for me

1202
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: to be at odds with the Nigerian who might very

1203
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 2: well be my blood uncle, lu We are fighting with

1204
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: people who may very well be from your same ancestral line.

1205
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous. And we don't fight white people half

1206
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: as much as we fight each other, and that goes

1207
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: for us at an African side. I'm disappointed in both sides,

1208
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: but for me, there's only one tribe, and that's the

1209
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: Pan Africanist tribe. You are either for all Africans or

1210
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: you are for no African. But see the reason I

1211
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 2: have to come forward with the da Fi movement is

1212
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: many American Africans who agree with some of what they're

1213
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 2: hearing but don't want to be part of the conflict

1214
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: in the division. But they say either I gotta go FBA.

1215
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: Both of them antagonize African immigrants. I don't want the antagonism,

1216
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: but I do understand the need for us because we

1217
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: have a unique history that nobody else has. Right, But

1218
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't got nowhere to go, So they're being forced

1219
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,879
Speaker 2: to join movements that they don't fully want to support

1220
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: because they don't agree with the negativity. So I'm gonna

1221
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: come with the movie where yes, we're going to do

1222
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: our thing as the American African people and still link

1223
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 2: up with the general race.

1224
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: So you have a solution, your solution basing your approach

1225
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: to it because I know you see it. Like me,

1226
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm new on Twitter and just getting on Twitter. Some

1227
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: of the ideas that throw around, I'm like, Okay, I

1228
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: see what they going with, I see what they taking

1229
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: the culture. But here's the part of it that I

1230
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: don't find to be a pilling is that twenty four

1231
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: hours a day, there's a.

1232
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: Space going on.

1233
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: A space for people who don't know is on Twitter

1234
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: where you open up a room and you have these conversations.

1235
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: You bring people on stage and you have conversations among

1236
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: one another, and there a day long, I can there's

1237
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: a space of someone that's just arguing about and again

1238
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: it's amongst each other.

1239
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: No, you're a Haitian. You don't have no right to be.

1240
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: And I'm saying all these labels exist before me.

1241
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: As an innocent of obserb them. I need them to

1242
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: understand that it's confusing. You know, you started to be like,

1243
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: like you said, it feels like toxic coming off of

1244
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: it a little bit.

1245
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: And so I hate that for the movement. But again,

1246
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: some of.

1247
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: The stuff they throw around, like, hey, the dead is

1248
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: lineage specific. We want to make sure that foundational descendants

1249
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: of slaves get some of the money because y'all had

1250
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: four hundred years of free label, Like, give us some

1251
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: of that back, right, and you promised us for overall

1252
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: two fifty here. But what I'm saying is you promised

1253
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: us forty acres and a mule.

1254
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:38,520
Speaker 2: I want to clarify. Go ahead, please, The forty acres

1255
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: in a mule came from one of Abraham Lincoln's field generals, right,

1256
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: and he signed a field order because what happened was

1257
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 2: self emancipated Africans was running away from the plantation. After

1258
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation right free and all slaves

1259
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: armed rebellion. He didn't free not a single slave in Maryland.

1260
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: He didn't free not a single slave in Delaware. He

1261
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: didn't free not a single slave in Kentucky or Missouri.

1262
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: They stayed. Lawyer to Lincoln I want you to keep

1263
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 2: that in mind. If you stay loyal to me, you

1264
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: can keep your slaves. Right. So this general said, I

1265
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: got all this contraband that's what they called us right

1266
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: liberated property, goodness, running to meet. I gotta do something

1267
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 2: with him, right, So he said in the field, without

1268
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 2: Lincoln's approval, I'm going to give him forty acres in

1269
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: the mule, which he started to do, right, So he

1270
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: started to give him the forty acres and the mule,

1271
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: and then Abraham Lincoln said, uh uh, I never So

1272
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 2: he started to actually write, but he didn't have permission

1273
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: from the president, right. But Lincoln didn't agree with it.

1274
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 2: He told him to stop, but he didn't make him

1275
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 2: undo what he did. You know, when it got undone

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Speaker 2: after Lincoln was assassinated, and then Andrew was a Jackson

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Speaker 2: and Johnson because we had a president Andrew Jackson. We

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Speaker 2: had a president Andrew Johnson, I think it was Andrew Johnson.

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Speaker 2: He came in after Lincoln and he shut it down

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01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: and gave that land back to the Confederates. So it

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01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: was never a presidential executive order. It was never approved

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01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: of by Congress. The forty acres in the mule was

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01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: a limited order issued by a general who wanted to

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Speaker 2: do something to help the freed runaways start a life

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Speaker 2: for themselves. So you're telling me that we've been believing

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: that it's the case the entire time. Historically, the only

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01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: way forty acres in the mule could be an official

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: law or an enactment is either Congress or an executive

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01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: order or a governor of a state. Congress didn't give

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 2: us forty acres and the mule. No governor gave us

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: forty acres in the mule to my knowledge, and there

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Speaker 2: was no executive order.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy because I've always heard or exaggerated that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's been exaggerated. That's exaggerated, that's been I'm glad you're

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Speaker 1: clarifying that, because even me, you know someone that you know,

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: I look into that kind of shit and I'm saying, what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Spike Lee named this company after I don't see

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Speaker 2: a problem with it, though, because it does speak to

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01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: the hypocrisy of America. You follow what I'm saying. So

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad it does get played up, although we need

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 2: to clarify it. It does speak to the hypocrisy of America.

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Speaker 2: But my thing is this loon for the Adolphs FBAs

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Speaker 2: and I respect them. What is your agenda for the

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01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: American African people besides antagonizing black immigrants and waiting on reparations.

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: I don't hear no talk about building, no institutions. I

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: don't hear no talk about no solutions. I don't hear

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: anything about any organization. What are you doing to address

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01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: the needs of the people who you claim to care about?

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: Because if you're not going to do anything productive for

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 2: the American African people, then the movement is a fraud.

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Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. It's a fraud. If all

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Speaker 2: were gonna do is sit online and antagonize immigrants, but

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01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: give the white ones a past, give the gays a pass,

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: give the Latinos a pass, and antagonize the black immigrants

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01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: and wait on reparations that you're never going to get

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: until you organize, then the whole movement is a fraud.

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: I want to talk about see I want to see

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01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: some movement, some progress, because it's been too much talk

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: and I don't see no wheels. I don't see no wheels.

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Speaker 2: I can't push you back on it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll look into it, But at this point,

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Speaker 1: I don't like you said, I don't really have any

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: concrete anything concrete I can put in front of it.

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Speaker 2: Theory is one thing. Where's the practice. See, I'm trained

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Speaker 2: as a psychologist. You get all the theory, but when

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 2: you get in that clinic and sit down with that

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 2: person think about killing themself. And you get in there

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01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 2: and sit down with that person who got eating disorder,

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01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: and you're getting in and sit up with that person

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01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: with low self esteem, You're getting there and sitting down

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 2: with that kid they've been cutting their arms all up.

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Speaker 2: The theory sound good in that classroom, but now you

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 2: got to apply it to solve a problem. I need

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 2: ads FBA to start solving some problems because I'm not

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Speaker 2: seeing it at all.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about celebrity politics. Nicki Minaj. Nicki Minaj has

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Speaker 1: been in the news lately. It feels like that she

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Speaker 1: is I would say she is damaging a reputation. If

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Speaker 1: you ask me from a black perspective, what's your thoughts

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01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 1: on Nicki Minaj and some of what you've seen her

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Speaker 1: do over the past couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj has cooned out