1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: The War broke out over the weekend. Welcome to Play 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: and Buck today. No doubt you've seen and heard and 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: perhaps even seeing some of the horrific footage imagery of 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: the invasion of Israel launched by Hamas, an incursion if 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: you will, into a number of areas right now as 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: we talk to you. We're going to spend a lot 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: of time on this today because it's the biggest conflict 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: that Israel has seen of this kind in fifty years 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: since the Yam Kipper War. You have a number of 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: possibilities where this can spiral beyond where it currently where 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: the conflict currently is, could become a broader Mid East issue, 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: could become a global issue. And Klan and I are 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: going to make sense to degree we ken of those possibilities. 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: But it was tough this weekend. It was hard to 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: follow the news. It was one of those moments. It 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: was one of those days where you saw a tremendous 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: viciousness and inhumanity on display from this multi pronged Hamas 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: assault on the state of Israel. At least seven hundred 21 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: Israelis are confirmed dead right now. There've also been nine 22 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: Americans killed in this. Hamas is holding over one hundred 23 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: and fifty hostages right now, and that number is likely 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: going to be raised throughout the course of today. Israel 25 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: was hit in twenty two different locations outside the Gaza 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: Strip by ground attack forces, terrorists bands of terrorists, along 27 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: with barrages of rockets being fired. Now, Israel is a 28 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: country that is known for having tremendous security, tremendous capabilities, 29 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: including a one billion dollar barrier that has seemed to 30 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: be largely impenetrable to this point. This time around, they 31 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: managed to get through the Israeli barrier. This is a 32 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: moment clay where we are. People are asking a lot 33 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: of questions. First of all, the conflict is still ongoing. 34 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Hamas is in effectively a death struggle now, because I 35 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: think there's a recognition that the Israeli government is going 36 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: to try to destroy that entity this time. They have to. 37 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: That's been the promise from that Yahunas. We will have 38 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: some guests to join us on this as well, including 39 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: my friend David iFun who's an expert on all things Israel. 40 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: At the bottom of this hour, we know that Iranian 41 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: security officials helped plan this surprise attack from Hamas. Hamas 42 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: and Hezbollah, who work together in their efforts to destroy 43 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: the State of Israel, have Hadkes spokesman say that is 44 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: that Iranian involvement was direct and for weeks leading up 45 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: to this, What are your biggest takeaways as we see 46 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: this shocking moment in time and understand that we're just 47 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: at the beginning of this. 48 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: To me, what I keep coming back to Buck is 49 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: this is the biggest intelligence failure since nine to eleven. 50 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand how you could have the most I 51 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: think if you ask most people listening to us right now, hey, 52 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: which intelligence agency is the most plugged in to what's 53 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: going on in their country because they're constantly trying to 54 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: be wiped off the map, it would have to be 55 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the Masade, right that they are basically conducting constant surveillance 56 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: because legitimately the goal of these Islamic terrorist groups is 57 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: to wipe Israel off the map, and I think you 58 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: saw that in the heinous depredations that they inflicted immediately 59 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: upon this attack. For almost fifty years to the day, 60 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy three, when the last time that Israel 61 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: was under I would say this level of attacks, So one, 62 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: how did this happen? How did Massad feil? How did 63 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: m I six fail? How did the United States intelligence 64 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: forces fail? This is thousands of men and weaponry that 65 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: was mobilized, and somehow we didn't know about this at all. 66 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: We didn't have any clue that it was going to occur. 67 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: I know we're still in the middle of the response, 68 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: but immediately when I woke up on Saturday morning, Buck 69 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: and saw all these videos start to go viral of 70 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: this attack going on, I just couldn't get over how 71 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: they could have been caught so unaware. And I was 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: actually talking about my wife with it, and we were saying, well, 73 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, and this is a big moment for 74 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: you because you're from New York, Buck, and this is 75 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: why you went into the intelligence services when you graduated 76 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: from college. So I know you spent a lot of 77 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: time directly trying to attack and respond to what was 78 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: done to us. But nine to eleven, when you compare 79 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: it to this, I believe in correct me if I'm wrong, 80 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: it's nineteen terrorists. It was an audacious plot, but it 81 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have to involve thousands and thousands of people 82 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: in order to be executed. The fact that we didn't 83 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: know this was coming at all, and that Israel was 84 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: caught so unaware, and that the world was caught so 85 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: unaware is scary to me because if you could have 86 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: an intelligence failure on this level, what other plans are 87 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: going on. So that's one another part of this, and 88 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: I'd be curious to get your response on that. Is 89 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: the Biden administration got laid on a level that is 90 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: frankly unacceptable. We just gave six billion dollars to Iran, 91 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: and people can say, well, it's not the six billion 92 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: that went to Hamas well. Iran funds Hamas and as 93 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: you said, buck and you're open. The Wall Street Journal 94 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: said that Iran basically planned this attack. They knew they 95 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: were getting this money from the United States, and money 96 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: is fungible. So if you know you're about to get 97 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars because you're going to get a bonus 98 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, you might well decide 99 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: that you're going to spend ten thousand dollars on something 100 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: else because you know those funds are coming in. So 101 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: when they're trying to argue well, this was not United 102 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: States money, that wasn't any way involved. I'm sorry Iran 103 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: played US because we had last week. Secretary Blinken, I 104 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: believe saying that the Middle East has never been safer 105 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: than it is right now, quieter than it is right now. 106 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of questions that need to 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: be answered. And I think our intelligence are US has failed. 108 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I think the Biden administration failed, and buck we got 109 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: war the Middle East and we've got war in Europe. 110 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how much more you can point to 111 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: on foreign policy disasters on the Biden watch. 112 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: In the in the immediate term, I think the biggest 113 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: single consideration that everybody is looking at other than how 114 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: this evolves this conflict. Gaza is not a very big place. 115 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: It's a very densely populated place, but it's not a 116 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: large land mass. So to have effectively a siege of Gaza, 117 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: which the Israelis are now conducting, cutting off electricity and 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: effectively going in there and cleaning cleaning house, I mean, 119 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: which is when you see and you know we live 120 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 2: in this era now and m clay it was clearly 121 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 2: part of the tactics, part of the decision making here 122 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: was that this was a terrorist invasion or a terrorist incursion, 123 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: meaning they didn't just go after Israeli military sites. Hamas 124 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: specifically landed in paragliders, for example, at an area that 125 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: was a rave. There was a major party going on, 126 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: and they just murdered in cold blood, executed entirely innocent people. 127 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: Here's Clarissa Ward of CNN saying that at this one 128 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: music festival site, which is near Gaza, two hundred and 129 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: sixty Israeli bodies were found. Play nine. 130 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: What happened just off this quiet border road was a massacre. 131 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: Organizers of the Supernova music festival say that thousands of 132 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: young revelers had gathered to celebrate the end of the 133 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: holidays when just after six am, Hamas militants launched a 134 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: bloody attack. Now, a volunteer group that handles human remains 135 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: says that at least two hundred and sixty bodies have 136 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: been found at the festival site. The government here took 137 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: a bold step releasing an image of scores of body 138 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: bags in a tent where investigators were tasked with identifying them. 139 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: Clay there were decisions that Hamas made, and this is 140 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: not surprising to anyone who knows the history of this organization. 141 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: Hamas is the entity that has pushed for suicide bombings 142 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: of pizzerias and mass murder of all kinds of civilians. 143 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,479 Speaker 2: It is a terrorist organization. There are other terrorist organizations 144 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: that have also turned to attack Israel in this whole process, 145 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: most notably Hezbolah, but there are others as well, and 146 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: they're trying to create a sense of a siege right 147 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: now for the entire Israeli state. But Clay, the decisions 148 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: that were made in this incursion, this terrorist invasion, were 149 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: specifically to be as heinous as possible to terrify people. 150 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: They were executing people in cold blood. They were taking hostages, men, women, children. 151 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: They simply were doing everything in their power to create 152 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: maximum carnage, chaos and destruction. And you have to take 153 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: a moment and say, what could they possibly think would 154 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: be accomplished by this. The Israelis have military superiority. The 155 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: Israelis are now going to and absolutely righteously respond with 156 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: a fury. This comes out of hatred. I mean, this 157 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: comes out of a society that praises, elevates and even 158 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: gives money to the family of suicide bombers. Which is 159 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: true of Hamas. This comes out of, I know, a 160 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: very long standing conflict. But only one side of this 161 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: equation is aligned with civilization, and that is the Israeli side. 162 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: I think that's super important, and we often times get 163 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: lost in the fact that there remains evil in the world, 164 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: and this was evil depredations that were brought forth. I mean, 165 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I think another thing on this, Buck, is the timing. 166 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia was potentially going to normalize relations with Israel 167 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: that was in the works. I think this was definitely 168 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: designed to stop that from happening. I think to your point, 169 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: what Hamausin wants is war throughout the Middle East. I 170 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: think they want to put Israel under the gun. They 171 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: want to unite Islamic opposition to them, and this was 172 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: a calculated decision on their part. And again I think 173 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: the US being asleep at the wheel, which unfortunately is 174 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: a theme of much of the Biden administration. I think 175 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: I said it was Blinken who said it my bad. 176 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: It was actually National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. This is 177 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: ten days ago. 178 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: Buck. 179 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: Listen to him on an interview say, the Middle East 180 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: region is quieter today than it has been in two decades. 181 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 5: What we said is we want to depressurize, de escalate, 182 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 5: and ultimately integrate the Middle East region. The warre in 183 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 5: Yemen is in it's nineteen month of truce for now. 184 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 5: The Iranian attacks against US forces have stopped. Our presence 185 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 5: in Iraq is stable. I emphasize for now, because all 186 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 5: of that can change, and the Middle East region is 187 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 5: quieter today than it has been in two decades. 188 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: So buck they set us up. Iran was working, according 189 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: to the Wall Street Journal, since August, to help make 190 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: this Hamas attack happen. They were simultaneously negotiating a prisoner 191 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: exchange with the United States and getting six billion dollars 192 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: from the Biden administration. And they made us think all 193 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: is calm, all is well, and then boom, the biggest 194 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: terror attack in fifty years in Israel, which everybody is 195 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: already calling in Israel. Their version of nine to eleven 196 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: the population of Israel is not substantial. We don't know 197 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: what the total loss of life and hostage is going 198 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: to be, but as a percentage of the Israeli population, 199 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be far in excess of the death 200 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: toll that occurred on nine to eleven. In the United States, and. 201 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: The possibility of expansion of the conflict in the region 202 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: is something that is very much at the forefront right now. Specifically, 203 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: will the Israelis go after Iranians on Iranian soil? And 204 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: they've already done that to some extent in the past, 205 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: but will they accelerate that kind of a program and 206 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: try to hold the Iranians who were a part of 207 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: these efforts to attack Israel responsible. I mean, I think 208 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: that's something that everyone's looking at very closely here, and 209 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: that's where things can start to get, you know, feel 210 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: like they're spiraling even further out of control. I mean, 211 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 2: when you start to look at the possibility of dominoes 212 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: falling into a more regional Mid East war. And there's 213 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: also the realities that this is going to affect with 214 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 2: regard to US, well, the US efforts to broker Saudi 215 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: Israeli peace that's going to be harmed by this, the 216 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: effort in Ukraine, whatever one thinks, whatever one may think 217 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: of our efforts to help in Ukraine, if we have 218 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: to start supplying munitions or providing additional help to Israel, 219 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: that could come into play. But it just is a 220 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: reminder for everybody that peace is always transient, and I 221 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: think I expected this weekend to be like so many others, 222 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: just another weekend quiet on the global front, and all 223 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: of a sudden, we have the biggest conflict the Israelis 224 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: have been drawn into in fifty years. So we'll continue 225 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: to look into these developments play and also I think 226 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: we'll bring in some of the political ramifications here at home, 227 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: which is also important. You think about the Biden. I mean, 228 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: you've mentioned this a few times, but the Biden failures 229 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: go so far and beyond anything that I would have 230 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: even anticipated when they first took charge. And the fact 231 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: that you have the largest war in the Middle East 232 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: since I'm sorry, in Europe since World War Two, and 233 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: the biggest war with Israel, the biggest conflict unfolding since 234 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, we've got a very weak foreign policy administration, 235 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: very weak. Indeed, Online identity theft is a silent crime, 236 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: the damages of which can be devastating. 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The Biden administration has 260 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: been telling us that our biggest threat is Donald Trump supporters, 261 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: and it makes the argument that January sixth was somehow 262 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: a really scary moment in American history or world history 263 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: even more absurd. Buck, When you see UMAs raping, killing, 264 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: kidnapping thousands of Israelis, it's really hard to argue that 265 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: Grandma with her selfie stick on January sixth is an 266 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: existential threat to American safety and democracy. I also should 267 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: mention Buck, yesterday the Biden White House had a barbecue. 268 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw that they were doing it, and 269 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: they had a band playing. There's also been what's called 270 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: a lid put on the White House at noon today, 271 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: meaning Biden's done. 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On the front Lines of 303 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: truth and welcome back in joined by our friend David 304 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: Efoon Now he is the publisher sure of the New 305 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: York Sun, also the honorary chair of the Algaminer, which 306 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: is a journalistic enterprise that focuses on Israel and the 307 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: Middle East. Dovid, thanks for being here with us. 308 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: It's a pleasure, but always to be with you. Unfortunate 309 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 4: that it's some so tragic an occasion. 310 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 2: First of Dovid, can you tell us how is it 311 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: I mean inside of Israel and when you're speaking to 312 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: your sources about what's gone on here, the surprise attack 313 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: of this scale, What are the explanations for how this 314 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: could have happened and caught Israeli intelligence and security forces, 315 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: which are among the best in the world, off guard 316 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 2: in this way. 317 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 4: I mean, look, there's no question that there will be 318 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 4: an investigation and a reckoning. I mean, there are so 319 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: many questions that people have around the country. There is pain, 320 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 4: but also frustration and anger. It's hard really to describe 321 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: the scale of the devastation. You know, it's been compared 322 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: to Israel's nine to eleven, but just to give you, 323 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: just to give you a sense on a comparative basis, 324 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 4: you know, there are what three hundred and thirty million Americans, 325 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: there are only nine million Israelis. So with eight hundred 326 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 4: confirmed deaths, now, you know, that would be the equivalent 327 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 4: of thirty thousand Americans if an attack would have taken 328 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 4: place of a similar scale in this country. It's you know, 329 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 4: not just the attack itself, but you know the ongoing 330 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: nature of it. You have hundreds of captives that were 331 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 4: taken into Gaza, children among them toddlers. They're being taunted 332 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 4: in the streets. The nation of Israel, the heart of 333 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 4: Israel is broken and bleeding. Although I would say, you know, 334 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: as the great Hasidic master Rabbi Manassa Mendel of Cosk 335 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: once said, there is nothing more whole than a broken heart. 336 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: And what you've seen in response to this atrocity is 337 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: a unification of the country in a way that we 338 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 4: haven't seen for so long. It's a nation that is 339 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 4: singularly focused on supporting the victims and setting about establishing 340 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 4: a framework in which this can never happen again. And 341 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: the Prime Minister has spoken very clearly there's an operation 342 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 4: that is due to be launched. The goal is to 343 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: remove the military capacity from Hamas and to remove Hamas 344 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 4: from control of the territory in Gaza. 345 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: So right now, thank you for coming on. Gaza is 346 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: the focus Buck and I are already talking about. According 347 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: to Wall Street Journal, Iran helped to plan this and 348 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: gave the go ahead to Hamas for this attack. Is 349 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: a response to Iran also going to follow and be 350 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: included in your mind as well as what's going on 351 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: right now in Gaza and what risks and challenges does 352 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: Iran's inclusion in this terror attack plan make in the 353 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: larger Israeli response. 354 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 4: I mean, and Iran is absolutely central to it. You know, 355 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: certainly the Israelis have the more immediate focus of securing 356 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 4: their border, but they know that the hand is the 357 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: hand of Hamas. But the but the brain and the 358 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 4: funds and the fuel are coming straight from the Iatolas. 359 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 4: You know, the first book that Prime Ministers that who 360 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: ever wrote in the eighties, just a couple of years 361 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 4: after his brother Jonatan was killed during the Entebi raid 362 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 4: in an effort to rest successful effort to rescue hostages. 363 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: The first book that he wrote is called Fighting Terrorism. 364 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 4: It was, you know, really a blueprint that came to 365 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: be studied by law enforcement magencies around the world of 366 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 4: how best to counter terrorists and terrorist agencies, terrorist organizations, 367 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 4: terrorist efforts. And one of the fundamental principles that he 368 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: points to there is the danger of having territory controlled 369 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: by terror groups. You know, it gives them the space, 370 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 4: it gives them the breadth to plan and to launch 371 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: at tax from. And what's happened, you know over the 372 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: years in Israel is that on three of Israeli borders, 373 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: the Iranians have set up many terrorst states. And the 374 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 4: southwest you have Gada. In the north, you have eleven 375 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 4: southern Lebanon where Hamas controls territory, and then on the 376 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: Syrian border there's a great deal of Iranian activity over there. 377 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 4: So you know, Benjamin, that Neil who knows first and 378 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: foremost just how dangerous it is to allow the terrorists 379 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 4: to control territory, but he also knows just how central 380 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 4: the role that Iran plays is. And you know, I'm 381 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 4: sure that they have their own calculations about how and 382 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: when they might go about this, but certainly a message 383 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 4: that would be heard across the region is that is 384 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: if Israel saw this as an opportunity to target the 385 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 4: Iranian nuclear program, which you know is the crown jewel 386 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: for the Aetola regime and also the most dangerous threat 387 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 4: that Israel places on the planet. 388 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: We're speaking the David Afoon, publisher of the New York Sun. 389 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 2: David is it now on on Yahoo and the IDF 390 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: to not just fight back and find those who are 391 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: guilty of this, but to take this even further and 392 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: push for the effectively the dismantling and eradication of Hamas overall. 393 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: I mean the Israeli to know that there's only one 394 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: way to sort of to solve this issue once and 395 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 4: for all. I mean, since he's really pull out from Gaza, 396 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: which I actually protested in two thousand and five as 397 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 4: it was taking place on the ground. This Hamas has 398 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 4: taken control of the Gaza strip that was just a 399 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 4: couple of years later, and it has become the launch 400 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 4: pad for one attack after the next. He is really 401 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 4: to know that, you know, they can sort of conduct 402 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: an operation, but they will always be living at risk 403 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 4: of similar attacks. There's only one way to stop it 404 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 4: once and for all, and that is really to retake 405 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 4: control of that territory. You know, it's been the case 406 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: throughout Israel's existence that any territory that has been ceded 407 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 4: to terrat groups or even seated to groups that aren't 408 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: ostensibly terror groups have been have lost control to terror 409 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 4: groups and have become controlled by terror groups and have 410 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: become the launch pad for attacks on Israeli civilians. It's why, 411 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: even though the Biden administration and some of the international 412 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 4: communities still talk about the Land for Peace doctrine and 413 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 4: the two States solution as being the only part forward, 414 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: every Israeli knows that land for peace is the most 415 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 4: dangerous equation that they that they might consider, and that 416 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 4: the attacks that they've faced over the last couple of 417 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: days are precisely the product of that flawed thinking. So 418 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 4: the question is how much land, how much territories will 419 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 4: need to control to be safe and to stop the 420 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: flow of weapons, and to know that with certainty that 421 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: Gaza can no longer become the launch pad for attacks 422 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: on Israeli civilians, Will it be the entire Gaza strip 423 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 4: will it be a the militarized zone of a mile 424 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 4: or more surrounded the Gaza strip. Obviously, it's just the 425 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: Israeli commanders and the security cabinet that are going to 426 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 4: be discussing those details now, but I'm sure we'll see 427 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 4: soon enough. What's the approach that they'll be taking. 428 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: Is we know that Hamas will put their weaponry and 429 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: their soldiers in places that oftentimes has civilians, sometimes children, 430 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: because they like the opportunity to one dissuade attacks, but 431 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: also if they happen to make it look like innocent 432 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: civilians are being targeted by israel I would imagine, given 433 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: the fact that there are hundreds of hostages that are 434 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: currently in Gaza that we know we're taken, that those 435 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: hostages will be used in some way as human shields. Also, 436 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: do we have any sense for how well Israeli intelligence 437 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: can have any of that information as they are making 438 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: decisions about where to attack. 439 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 4: I mean, they'll certainly be working in overdrive. And what 440 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: you're saying is exactly correct. I mean, it's it's the 441 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 4: most cynical use of civilians in any war theater feat 442 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 4: of war. The Israelians will certainly want to take that 443 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: into consideration, and you know, they've sort of got to 444 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 4: balance these tricky moral questions with the bigger overall objectives 445 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 4: and and and the needs to to to secure the 446 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 4: Israeli Souths for the future and these and the Israeli homeland. 447 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's not a situation that you 448 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: want to be in having to tackle these these types 449 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 4: of questions. You know, another thing that's never reported is 450 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 4: that you know, when when carlosin and terrorists fire rockets 451 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 4: out of Gaza into Israel, a very large, large percentage 452 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 4: of them fall short and they land in Gaza and 453 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: they kill Gazens. Remember, you don't have air raid signs, 454 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: you don't have bomb shelters in Gaza. You know what 455 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: happens is you've got the Gaza Health Ministry, which is 456 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: you know, really a vehicle. It's controlled by it's a 457 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: vehicle for Hamas as well. That becomes the only source 458 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: of information on casualties in Gaza, and the international community 459 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 4: starts to ask questions, and you know, they'll they'll count 460 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 4: any casualty in Gaza for any reason as as being 461 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 4: one that was that Israel was responsible for. So you know, 462 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 4: all of these deaths from their own rockets that fall short, 463 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: they'll blame on Israel. If God for better, child falls 464 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 4: off a swing in a playground and and and you 465 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 4: know get you know, gets injured or or killed as 466 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: a result of that, they'll blame that on Israel. And 467 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 4: the international community doesn't ask any questions. And not only that, 468 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: you know, they they'll take these numbers that at face value, 469 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 4: and they'll take the accusation that Israel is responsible at 470 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 4: face value. And you know, over a period of time, 471 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 4: you know the effect of that has is that the 472 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: pressure starts to build on Israel, and you know, increasingly 473 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: it's it's harder for Israel to take the steps and 474 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 4: the actions it needs to take to depend to defend 475 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 4: its its citizens and it's and it's civilians. So you know, 476 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: certainly being able to present accurately what's taking place, to 477 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 4: understand the steps that the Israeli military is taking to 478 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 4: prevent civilian casualties in the most difficult climate, you know, 479 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 4: it's crucial to ensuring you know, the broadest possible international 480 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: support for an absolutely necessary operation necessary not just to 481 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 4: prevent further bloodshed in Israel, but also to prevent further 482 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: bloodshed in Gaza. 483 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: David, before we let you go, the concern about this 484 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: becoming a broader fight, some of the other entities perhaps 485 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: getting more into it, like Hesbalad and others in the 486 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 2: immediate region, but also specifically Iran getting drawn into this 487 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: more than it already is. How do you weigh that possibility. 488 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it's certainly always, always a possibility. And you know, 489 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: just to give you the scale of how the Israeli 490 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 4: military leadership is thinking about this, they have now drafted 491 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 4: at three hundred thousand reservists. That's on top of the 492 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 4: regular army of one hundred and fifty thousand, So you know, 493 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: you're talking about a country of nine million. To five 494 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 4: percent of the entire country has been mobilized. And the 495 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 4: mobilization like this is not just about Gaza. It's certainly 496 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 4: with the understanding that there could be multiple fronts that 497 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: Israel needs to be that needs to be needs to 498 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 4: be active on and to be prepared for all possibilities 499 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 4: and all eventualities. You know, I spoke to a young 500 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: mother in central Israel earlier today and she told me 501 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 4: there are no men here, you know, it's just women 502 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 4: and children. This is in a you know, small town 503 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 4: in Middle Israel. Schools are all closed indefinitely. Daycare centers 504 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 4: are all closed indefinitely. This is an entire country at war, mobilized, 505 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: and at war to defend its borders. 506 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: Doavid, thank you very much for giving us this update. 507 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: We'll hope to talk to you again soon as this 508 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: process continues. 509 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 4: Anytime. 510 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: Buck born from. 511 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: The tragedy of nine to eleven, the Tunnel the Towers 512 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: Foundation has been delivering on its promise to do good 513 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: and never forget the sacrifices of America's greatest heroes, Heroes 514 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: who put their lives on the line to protect our 515 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: country and our communities. 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Obviously, as we 533 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: are speaking to you, coverage everywhere focusing on the attacks 534 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: that are taking place, and I just wanted to play 535 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: this because MSNBC has got a lot of dudes and 536 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: some gals who are not willing to admit who the 537 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: real terrorists are. Listen to this. It's important to remember 538 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: the context. Gaza is an open air prison. This is 539 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: MSNBC's medi Hassan. Listen when we talk about Gaza in 540 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: the West. 541 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 6: For a lot of people, it's very easy to conflate Hamas, 542 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 6: which is a militant group that carries out acts of 543 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 6: vicious terror as they did this weekend with Gaza, which 544 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 6: is a place that contains two point two million people, 545 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,479 Speaker 6: half of them children, and it's one of the most 546 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 6: densely populated places on planet Earth. You've got two point 547 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 6: two million people crowded into one hundred and forty one 548 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 6: square miles, so they automatically become the victims of Israeli 549 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 6: airstructs because it's so crowded, because it's so densely populated, 550 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 6: and it's basically like living in an open. 551 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: Air prison, Okay. I mean, first off, the decision by 552 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: Hamas is always to try to increase civilian casualties on 553 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: their side and the other side. Hamas is effectively a 554 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: death cult. And when people understand that, I think everything 555 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: else falls into place much more easily. As I mentioned before, 556 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: Hamas has a long history of honoring as shaheeds as martyrs, 557 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 2: those who are suicide bombers, and going to pay homage 558 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 2: to their families give them money. So Hamas has been 559 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 2: engaged in barbarity for a very long time. And that 560 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: I mean, Clay, you know, when you hear this individual 561 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 2: talking about it as a prison camp, Gaza's a prison camp. 562 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: Every David mentioned this a bit before. Every overture from 563 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: the israelis of greater autonomy more. You know, every outstretched 564 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: hand they offer ends up being slapped away. That's what 565 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: happens every time, and it's been happening for decades, but 566 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: particularly with the Gaza situation. 567 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing I think we need to contextualize too, 568 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: for everybody out there is in America, we think of 569 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: a long time as being twenty years, thirty years, something 570 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: like that. These people in Gaza believe that Israel must 571 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: be wiped off the face of the earth, and they 572 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: think on the scale of hundreds of years, even thousands 573 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: of years. This is not going away. It's the biggest 574 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: attack in fifty years. But all it's doing is directly 575 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: make it readily apparent to everyone that evil is real 576 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: and that it's not going away. And I feel people 577 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: who live in Israel understand that in a way that 578 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in America don't, because 579 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: evil is more remote here by and large. But what 580 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: it makes me wonder about, and we'll talk about this some. 581 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: We come back more when we're fighting internally and arguing 582 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: that January sixth as an insurrection and that it's the 583 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: greatest threat to American democracy and that our country in general. 584 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: When Biden's saying white supremacist, what are we actually missing? 585 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: Was actually a danger to so many of us out there. 586 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: We'll discuss plus Buck RFK Junior. It's still odd timing, 587 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: but he's officially announced as an independent. We'll have that 588 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: audio for you when we come back.